Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-14 Thread Thibouille
David, if I could take digital picture with my MX, KX, SuperA beleive
me I would.

The thing is, this is the last thing manufacturers want us to get. If
something like this hits the street, a lot less people will buy DSLRs.
As for sensor performance, just get the next version of this RE35 or
whatever name it gets.

That way, digital would be enjoyable as possible. To be perfect
digital'd use film :p

2011/4/4 David Parsons parsons.da...@gmail.com:
 Have you ever seen a digital back?  They are at least an inch thick.
 It's certainly possible to do, but I can't imagine any way that it
 would economical.  Would you pay a couple thousand dollars to use an
 old film camera worth $20 (or even $200)?

 What do you do with cameras that don't have removable backs?  How to
 you bypass the camera winder interlock when it is in a different place
 on different cameras?

 On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Hope springs eternal.  The technical problems with this must be nuts
 or someone would have done t by now,  Either that or it would cost too
 much.  An old MX with digifilm?  My old MZ-S?  I wonder what I would
 have paid to be able to use all those bodies again without film.

 If phase one can make a digital back for your hasselblad, they can make one 
 for your pentax, and it might only cost half the price.


 On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-11 Thread John Sessoms

From: Rob Studdert


On 10 April 2011 22:23, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


 Any protective coverings would have to be thin enough they wouldn't protrude
 materially beyond the film plane or the whole idea wouldn't work.


Which is why a true FF sensor of this type is a virtual impossibility.


You're confusing economic infeasibility with impossible. Every day I 
use stuff that was impossible when I started in photography.


If there's really a market for something like this, some genius will 
eventually figure out how to do it and where to sell it.


And I think there *is* a small market, even if it has only a narrow 
window of opportunity (i.e. the rest of my lifetime). They may not 
figure out how to produce something like this at a price anyone is 
willing to pay in time for all of us who still love our old film cameras 
to buy them, but it's not impossible.


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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-11 Thread Rob Studdert
On 11 April 2011 22:01, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 You're confusing economic infeasibility with impossible. Every day I use
 stuff that was impossible when I started in photography.

 If there's really a market for something like this, some genius will
 eventually figure out how to do it and where to sell it.

 And I think there *is* a small market, even if it has only a narrow window
 of opportunity (i.e. the rest of my lifetime). They may not figure out how
 to produce something like this at a price anyone is willing to pay in time
 for all of us who still love our old film cameras to buy them, but it's not
 impossible.

As Cotty would say, I'd eat my hat

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-11 Thread Paul Stenquist

On Apr 11, 2011, at 8:18 AM, Rob Studdert wrote:

 On 11 April 2011 22:01, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:
 
 You're confusing economic infeasibility with impossible. Every day I use
 stuff that was impossible when I started in photography.
 
 If there's really a market for something like this, some genius will
 eventually figure out how to do it and where to sell it.
 
 And I think there *is* a small market, even if it has only a narrow window
 of opportunity (i.e. the rest of my lifetime). They may not figure out how
 to produce something like this at a price anyone is willing to pay in time
 for all of us who still love our old film cameras to buy them, but it's not
 impossible.
 
 As Cotty would say, I'd eat my hat
 

I think such a device could be produced now, since there have been so many 
advances in thin-film technology as it applies to other fields. But there is 
nothing to warrant the investment in a device for film cameras. It's a dying 
market. No one in their right mind would put their money into that kind of 
enterprise..
Paul

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-10 Thread John Sessoms

From: Rob Studdert


On 5 April 2011 18:46, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:


Probably wouldn't be too hard to replace the spring loaded platen
on one of my LX Digital or Analog Dial Data backs with a FF
sensor, and cram the electronics into the fairly large battery
and clock box. Expand the Dial Data Back's compartment to cover
the whole back if need be, Use the power from the motor drive's
battery pack.

Piece of cake!


Not quite as easy as it might appear, the major issue lies with the
actual plane of focus on a sensor assembly vs the materials that
must be placed in front of the light sensitive surface. IOW the
sensor assembly would need to slightly protrude into the mirror box,
not a great situation when combined with a focal plane shutter ;-)


Any protective coverings would have to be thin enough they wouldn't 
protrude materially beyond the film plane or the whole idea wouldn't work.






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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-10 Thread Rob Studdert
On 10 April 2011 22:23, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 Any protective coverings would have to be thin enough they wouldn't protrude
 materially beyond the film plane or the whole idea wouldn't work.

Which is why a true FF sensor of this type is a virtual impossibility.

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-09 Thread Rob Studdert
On 5 April 2011 18:46, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:

 Probably wouldn't be too hard to replace the spring loaded platen on one of 
 my LX Digital or Analog Dial Data backs with a FF sensor, and cram the 
 electronics into the fairly large battery and clock box. Expand the Dial Data 
 Back's compartment to cover the whole back if need be, Use the power from the 
 motor drive's battery pack.

 Piece of cake!

Not quite as easy as it might appear, the major issue lies with the
actual plane of focus on a sensor assembly vs the materials that must
be placed in front of the light sensitive surface. IOW the sensor
assembly would need to slightly protrude into the mirror box, not a
great situation when combined with a focal plane shutter ;-)

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-09 Thread Joseph McAllister
On Apr 9, 2011, at 15:46 , Rob Studdert wrote:

 On 5 April 2011 18:46, Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com wrote:
 
 Probably wouldn't be too hard to replace the spring loaded platen on one of 
 my LX Digital or Analog Dial Data backs with a FF sensor, and cram the 
 electronics into the fairly large battery and clock box. Expand the Dial 
 Data Back's compartment to cover the whole back if need be, Use the power 
 from the motor drive's battery pack.
 
 Piece of cake!
 
 Not quite as easy as it might appear, the major issue lies with the
 actual plane of focus on a sensor assembly vs the materials that must
 be placed in front of the light sensitive surface. IOW the sensor
 assembly would need to slightly protrude into the mirror box, not a
 great situation when combined with a focal plane shutter ;-)

I see several millimeters between the film plane and the leading edge of the 
rear curtain. Surely that is something to work with?

If not, a corrector lens could be placed at the LX film plane to alter the 
plane of focus by the amount needed  to fit a sensor to the back. The shake 
reduction mechanism could then occupy the dial data back compartment. Other 
circuitry would sit off to the left and in the film cartridge area. A little 
snip snip could prepare the take-up compartment into another hole in which 
electronics could be packed.

This description and the methodology I release into the public domain. I don't 
have the time to make it happen!:-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-) 
 :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)  :-)

But I call dibs on one of the first production units, please...

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-05 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Apr 4, 2011, at 13:34 , John Sessoms wrote:

 From: David Parsons
 
 Have you ever seen a digital back?  They are at least an inch thick.
 It's certainly possible to do, but I can't imagine any way that it
 would economical.  Would you pay a couple thousand dollars to use an
 old film camera worth $20 (or even $200)?
 
 What do you do with cameras that don't have removable backs?  How to
 you bypass the camera winder interlock when it is in a different place
 on different cameras?
 
 
 If they could actually make this flexisensor thingy work and bring the price 
 down to where it didn't cost much more than a high end memory card, I'd buy 
 one for my LX.

Probably wouldn't be too hard to replace the spring loaded platen on one of my 
LX Digital or Analog Dial Data backs with a FF sensor, and cram the electronics 
into the fairly large battery and clock box. Expand the Dial Data Back's 
compartment to cover the whole back if need be, Use the power from the motor 
drive's battery pack.

Piece of cake!


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This thing that you see,
Why in the world,
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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread John Sessoms

From: Bruce Walker


On 11-04-03 7:09 PM, Krisjanis Linkevics wrote:

 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est

 This idea has been around for many years now (more than 5), seeing as no information is 
available (at all) and the contact page says will be available later this year 
without even mentioning what year they are referring to... I wouldn't hold my breath for 
this one.

 kris

ZDNet says prank:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcameras/top-5-april-fools-day-photo-pranks/4885

This German design firm went to a hell of a lot of trouble ...

http://www.roggeundpott.de/projekte_de/alle-projekte_de/re-35/


I wonder how many good ideas started out as April Fools pranks, but 
someone else got inspired and said, You know that might work. ... and 
made a fortune off of it?


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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Toine
Google siliconfilm. It was a real idea around 2001. If I'm not in
error also an actual 1.2 Mp product

http://www.dpreview.com/news/9909/99090501siliconfilm.asp

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread David Parsons
One of the classic items that defines vaporware.

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:45 PM, Toine to...@repiuk.nl wrote:
 Google siliconfilm. It was a real idea around 2001. If I'm not in
 error also an actual 1.2 Mp product

 http://www.dpreview.com/news/9909/99090501siliconfilm.asp

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread John Sessoms

From: Toine


Google siliconfilm. It was a real idea around 2001. If I'm not in
error also an actual 1.2 Mp product

http://www.dpreview.com/news/9909/99090501siliconfilm.asp




Never got beyond the prototype ... and I don't think it was even a 
*working* prototype.


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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Steven Desjardins
Hope springs eternal.  The technical problems with this must be nuts
or someone would have done t by now,  Either that or it would cost too
much.  An old MX with digifilm?  My old MZ-S?  I wonder what I would
have paid to be able to use all those bodies again without film.

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 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Hope springs eternal.  The technical problems with this must be nuts
 or someone would have done t by now,  Either that or it would cost too
 much.  An old MX with digifilm?  My old MZ-S?  I wonder what I would
 have paid to be able to use all those bodies again without film.

If phase one can make a digital back for your hasselblad, they can make one for 
your pentax, and it might only cost half the price.

 
 On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/
 
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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread David Parsons
Have you ever seen a digital back?  They are at least an inch thick.
It's certainly possible to do, but I can't imagine any way that it
would economical.  Would you pay a couple thousand dollars to use an
old film camera worth $20 (or even $200)?

What do you do with cameras that don't have removable backs?  How to
you bypass the camera winder interlock when it is in a different place
on different cameras?

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 3:31 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:

 On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:26 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

 Hope springs eternal.  The technical problems with this must be nuts
 or someone would have done t by now,  Either that or it would cost too
 much.  An old MX with digifilm?  My old MZ-S?  I wonder what I would
 have paid to be able to use all those bodies again without film.

 If phase one can make a digital back for your hasselblad, they can make one 
 for your pentax, and it might only cost half the price.


 On Sun, Apr 3, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 4, 2011, at 12:49 PM, David Parsons wrote:

 Have you ever seen a digital back?  They are at least an inch thick.
 It's certainly possible to do, but I can't imagine any way that it
 would economical.  

That was kind of my point.  Don't the phase one backs go for about $20K?  So 
for the price of a 645D, you could turn your film camera into a K-5, without as 
good of ergonomics.


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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:

This is very intriguing
http://re35.net/

Someone put a lot of work and care into that web site. But not enough
to hide the fact that it's a hoax.
 
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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Larry Colen

On Apr 4, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Larry Colen wrote:
 
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/
 
 Someone put a lot of work and care into that web site. But not enough
 to hide the fact that it's a hoax.

It's apparently an advertising firm, and they seem to be getting a lot of buzz 
from it.
Even if they had a misspelling on the first page.
IIRC ammount rather than amount.

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Mark Roberts
Larry Colen wrote:


On Apr 4, 2011, at 1:07 PM, Mark Roberts wrote:

 Larry Colen wrote:
 
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/
 
 Someone put a lot of work and care into that web site. But not enough
 to hide the fact that it's a hoax.

It's apparently an advertising firm, and they seem to be getting a lot of buzz 
from it.
Even if they had a misspelling on the first page.
IIRC ammount rather than amount.

And wether rather than whether, it's where they should have
its, und for and, your for you're, repeated use of the
copyright symbol next to Flexisensor when it should be a Trademark
symbol. No mention of memory capacity(!) or power supply. Says
patented but has no patent number.

They put all their effort into the graphic design, which is pretty
nice, but...
 
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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread John Sessoms

From: David Parsons


Have you ever seen a digital back?  They are at least an inch thick.
It's certainly possible to do, but I can't imagine any way that it
would economical.  Would you pay a couple thousand dollars to use an
old film camera worth $20 (or even $200)?

What do you do with cameras that don't have removable backs?  How to
you bypass the camera winder interlock when it is in a different place
on different cameras?



If they could actually make this flexisensor thingy work and bring the 
price down to where it didn't cost much more than a high end memory 
card, I'd buy one for my LX.






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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
If I believed this was real, I'd be out there snapping up Leica M-4P
and Nikon F3 bodies, some lovely old lenses, right now.

Actually, though, there is a new sensor technology in the labs that
could be used for this once it is . A nanno-dot technology
manufactured by a process which deposits photosites on a flexible film
substrate. There was a write up on it in some technical journal or
another a year or so back.

Makes me wonder ... How much would I like an F3 again? :-)
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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Paul Stenquist
Photovoltaic cells can be produced on thin amorphous film, so I suppose a 
sensor made from amorphous material is possible.
Paul

On Apr 4, 2011, at 6:27 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

 If I believed this was real, I'd be out there snapping up Leica M-4P
 and Nikon F3 bodies, some lovely old lenses, right now.
 
 Actually, though, there is a new sensor technology in the labs that
 could be used for this once it is . A nanno-dot technology
 manufactured by a process which deposits photosites on a flexible film
 substrate. There was a write up on it in some technical journal or
 another a year or so back.
 
 Makes me wonder ... How much would I like an F3 again? :-)
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RE: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread Bob W
 If I believed this was real, I'd be out there snapping up Leica M-4P
 and Nikon F3 bodies, some lovely old lenses, right now.
 
 Actually, though, there is a new sensor technology in the labs that
 could be used for this once it is . A nanno-dot technology
 manufactured by a process which deposits photosites on a flexible film
 substrate. There was a write up on it in some technical journal or
 another a year or so back.
 
 Makes me wonder ... How much would I like an F3 again? :-)
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I think you're getting it mixed up with Nanny Dot technology, which is
when your granny knits you a picture.

B


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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-04 Thread David Parsons
Looks like it went much farther than anyone really intended:

http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/general-photography/139096-digital-film-gets-new-lease-life.html#post1453566

On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 4:07 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote:
 Larry Colen wrote:

This is very intriguing
http://re35.net/

 Someone put a lot of work and care into that web site. But not enough
 to hide the fact that it's a hoax.

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RE: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-03 Thread Krisjanis Linkevics

 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

 Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est

This idea has been around for many years now (more than 5), seeing as no 
information is available (at all) and the contact page says will be available 
later this year without even mentioning what year they are referring to... I 
wouldn't hold my breath for this one.



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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-03 Thread Brian Walters
On Sun, 03 Apr 2011 16:00 -0700, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/
 


I'm pretty sure that this was another April 1 fun site.

(not that I wouldn't be interested if it was really..er, real).



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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-03 Thread CarlG
 This is very intriguing
 http://re35.net/

Not really. If you check the name and http on that page, you will end up at
a German design firm -- and that's not sensor design --  where they tell you
of their efforts and how ... pünktlich zum 1. April wird die entsprechende
Pressemitteilung ... sent out. The date says it all, doesn't it? 

http://www.roggeundpott.de/input-output_de/ 

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-03 Thread Bruce Walker

On 11-04-03 7:09 PM, Krisjanis Linkevics wrote:

This is very intriguing
http://re35.net/

Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est

This idea has been around for many years now (more than 5), seeing as no information is 
available (at all) and the contact page says will be available later this 
year without even mentioning what year they are referring to... I wouldn't hold my 
breath for this one.

kris


ZDNet says prank:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/digitalcameras/top-5-april-fools-day-photo-pranks/4885

This German design firm went to a hell of a lot of trouble ...

http://www.roggeundpott.de/projekte_de/alle-projekte_de/re-35/

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Re: RE-35 flexisensor

2011-04-03 Thread P. J. Alling
Looks like silicon film, I think they came close to shipping something, 
maybe, 4-6mp with a serious crop factor, but only worked in a limited 
number of cameras.  Still I'd love to have something like that for my 
LX, though I doubt that anything will ever come of it.


On 4/3/2011 7:00 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

This is very intriguing
http://re35.net/

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