Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
I went thru some records recently with a friend and found some records I won at auction and just put away. We opened them to look. I won these in 1999 :-). I love going shopping in my basement, costs a lot less than ebay. But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. -Barry On 12/13/2010 12:44 AM, DanKj wrote: Going through boxes of records which haven't been seen since buying them is just like Christmas morning! I have this? ooo, and this? wow, and these! Discovering that I already had a record, but forgot paid good money for another copy - not as much fun as Xmas ... it's more like Tax Return day. - Original Message - From: john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time, I understood. But finding a long laid away phono is like finding a new one :-) John ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
You are right about the translations... Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:27:51 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty odd themselves. Dave --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers, which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings - if not, I always run them through Google translator. Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800 From: dda...@sbcglobal.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand? Dave --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if I read his long description, I would see that he said keine originale somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means not, which I learned. I looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I see keine and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected nothing. Since I used PayPal, howev er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but the description says not original in several languages and in large print in the title, so maybe it worked on him... New listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150532842241ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bidding on same records- (was Once upon a time)
But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Bidding on same records- (was Once upon a time)
Great idea! -Original Message- From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 09:00:15 To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Bidding on same records- (was Once upon a time) But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Cataloguing records
Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? - Andy, When I started out with this data base, I was using Appleworks. :-) That was back in 1983. I have since moved on into the PC world and in the early 1990's I converted the entire database to MS Works. Over the years I've saved it to the newer versions of Work. Just their plain old data base. I set up columns for Item, Serial number or Record number, Description, Photo number(s), Price paid, Name of seller, Email of seller, Address, Phone number (when available). In the photo column, I use this column to list the photo number. For example, with an Edison Standard A , I have taken several pics of it. I name the pics CM 1, CM2, CM3, etc. CM standing for cylinder machine. You can use your own codes, or you can just use numbers alone. I've saved these to a picture file. Most importantly, I save these files on several different USB pocket drives. Backing up is a MUST. Yes, I know that there ARE programs you can buy that can do this.butnot everyone has these programs, and if you are visiting a collector or friend, you can just take out your pocket drive from your wallet and show it on their computer. Hope this helps someone. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
Open office and build either a database or a big spread sheet. the spread sheet is easier. On 12/13/2010 11:38 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Once upon a time,
The great part about becoming older is that you forget what you have and you can have Christmas several times per year. Happy Holidays! :-) Ron K ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
Some years ago, I built a Paradox table of my Victor records. I listed them by catalogue number. The second column is the two titles, the third, the artist(s). Listing them by artist might have been a better setup, but listing by catalogue number has been good for my purpose. There will ultimately be one for Columbia, then Brunswick, Vocalion, etc. The major toil in this is the Victor listings for me. There are other databases that replace Paradox, but diong it again; I'd list the records the same way on any other program. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/13/2010 12:38:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
If you index every column you can search/sort/report on any index or combination of indexes in a relational database. You can do about the same thing with a modern spreadsheet but it is a bit more effort. On 12/13/2010 08:28 PM, Douglas Houston wrote: Some years ago, I built a Paradox table of my Victor records. I listed them by catalogue number. The second column is the two titles, the third, the artist(s). Listing them by artist might have been a better setup, but listing by catalogue number has been good for my purpose. There will ultimately be one for Columbia, then Brunswick, Vocalion, etc. The major toil in this is the Victor listings for me. There are other databases that replace Paradox, but diong it again; I'd list the records the same way on any other program. [Original Message] From: Andrew Barona...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/13/2010 12:38:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
All of that cataloguing sounds strangely like work... it's more fun to buy the same things over and over and over again... at least you know you like them and are consistent in your tastes and interests. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:28:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Some years ago, I built a Paradox table of my Victor records. I listed them by catalogue number. The second column is the two titles, the third, the artist(s). Listing them by artist might have been a better setup, but listing by catalogue number has been good for my purpose. There will ultimately be one for Columbia, then Brunswick, Vocalion, etc. The major toil in this is the Victor listings for me. There are other databases that replace Paradox, but diong it again; I'd list the records the same way on any other program. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/13/2010 12:38:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
I once went to meet someone selling records that he'd bought from an estate. He had the huge radio station records (something like 20-24 inches in diameter). He had entire series of old radio shows such as Hopalong Cassidy and of course, John Deere commercials. As I went through the garage (the entire floor was full of boxes with slim paths in between), I couldn't help but notice that there were 10-12 copies of the same 78's over and over again. The collector who passed seemed to have had a Frank Sinatra fetish. That money spent on repeats could have been redirected into copies of other records that he had on his wish list and didn't have the money left to buy. On the other hand, multiple copies of something rare would have been great insurance in case a treasured record was somehow damaged. It was the longest amount of time I've ever spent in one building looking through 78's. Great fun!!! Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Monday, December 13, 2010 8:59 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records All of that cataloguing sounds strangely like work... it's more fun to buy the same things over and over and over again... at least you know you like them and are consistent in your tastes and interests. From: cdh...@earthlink.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 21:28:14 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Some years ago, I built a Paradox table of my Victor records. I listed them by catalogue number. The second column is the two titles, the third, the artist(s). Listing them by artist might have been a better setup, but listing by catalogue number has been good for my purpose. There will ultimately be one for Columbia, then Brunswick, Vocalion, etc. The major toil in this is the Victor listings for me. There are other databases that replace Paradox, but diong it again; I'd list the records the same way on any other program. [Original Message] From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 12/13/2010 12:38:57 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records Are you using a particular software that's geared for cataloguing, or standard applications like Word or Excel? I think this may have been discussed on this forum before, but perhaps there are current favorite methods. Andy On Dec 13, 2010, at 10:00 AM, Dennis Back wrote: But I had to stop bidding on record auctions because I kept winning the same records over and over again. Did it again 2 weeks ago. I solved this problem by starting and keeping a data base of what I bought. With records, I list title and number. If I see something I might want in an auction, I just do a control F and it will find (or not find) the item in my data base. I know it's hard to go BACK and enter all your records and cylinders, but you can start now with new acquisitions. And you can keep a wanted list on the data base, too. When you find that item, just delete the word wanted and replace it with the date bought and price paid and then save it. . Works for me. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cataloguing records
All of that cataloguing sounds strangely like work... I know you're kidding, but really...one should think of it as part of the fun of collecting. In addition, when you depart, your loved ones or beneficiaries will have an idea of what each item is worth. Further, you have a record for insurance purposes in the event you ever need to file a claim. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Proud new owner?
The suspense is killing me. Is anyone on this list the proud new owner of Ebay item 280594550836? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
