You are right about the translations...
> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2010 04:27:51 -0800
> From: dda...@sbcglobal.net
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
>
> I am sorry that you had a bad experience. Google or any other on line
> translator is better than nothing, but the translations are sometimes pretty
> odd themselves.
> Dave
>
> --- On Sun, 12/12/10, Vinyl Visions <vinyl.visi...@live.com> wrote:
>
> From: Vinyl Visions <vinyl.visi...@live.com>
> Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
> To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> Date: Sunday, December 12, 2010, 9:10 PM
>
>
> No Dave, his previous ads did not mention anything about paper stickers,
> which is why PayPal refunded my money. He actually ran several auctions
> previous to the one that I bid on, with authentic rare tins, but they were
> always won by his friend... It was classic bait and switch. My point was, now
> he's being honest, after a few other problems with different buyers. He
> totally lost his eBay account because of fraud and now he is back, with a new
> name. Same stuff, but at least he's describing it honestly. I have bought a
> number of things from Germany and generally understand the German listings -
> if not, I always run them through Google translator.
>
> > Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2010 02:54:58 -0800
> > From: dda...@sbcglobal.net
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
> >
> > Well, he's is quite clear about it this time. The ad in German explains
> > how the tins are partially filled and covered with paper stickers. Perhaps
> > his other ad was clear in German and you did not understand?
> > Dave
> >
> > --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions <vinyl.visi...@live.com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Vinyl Visions <vinyl.visi...@live.com>
> > Subject: [Phono-L] Needle Tin Collectors - Watch Out For This Seller
> > To: phono-l@oldcrank.org
> > Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 7:43 PM
> >
> >
> > Last year I bought what was represented to be a collection of high end
> > needle tins from a guy in Germany. He had run several previous auctions
> > with some pretty rare tins, so when I saw a new listing for a collection, I
> > bid 200 euros on it as a proxy bid. Someone kept bumping it up until it
> > reached my maximum bid, but I won the auction. When I received the tins, I
> > found that they were mostly fakes - other tins with decals or stickers
> > applied to them. Also, he just dumped them all in an envelope and mailed
> > them without any real care. I wrote him about the fakes and he said that if
> > I read his long description, I would see that he said "keine originale"
> > somewhere in the ramblings. Keine in German means "not", which I learned. I
> > looked up his previous listings and read the descriptions and nowhere did I
> > see "keine" and coincidentally these auctions were all won by the same guy
> > who bumped up my bid on the fakes. I wrote eBay about it and expected
> > nothing.
> > Since I used PayPal, howev
> > er, eBay ruled in my favor and refunded my money. Now he's back with a new
> > listing, but apparently the refund and eBay's decision has made him
> > somewhat more honest. Now he's selling fake tins in an original box, but
> > the description says "not original" in several languages and in large print
> > in the title, so maybe it worked on him...
> > New listing:
> > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=150532842241&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123
> >
> >
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