Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems
Ron, I doubt you and Mike are the only people left on this list. But I’ve only run into problems like yours twice. One was a Busy Bee disc phono. I did find a problem with binding in the governor gearing, but I think a weak spring was the real problem. Also, my Edison Opera stopped working after traveling to Chicago. It was easily fixed when I found that governor shaft wouldn’t turn. I loosened a set screw and allowed a little play in the governor shaft, and all was well. Jim Nichol > On May 7, 2019, at 9:43 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > wrote: > > The old spring was 5/8 by .018. I’ve just installed a 5/8 by .022 which > seems to be about the same length, around 8 5eet I believe. It’s a NOS > Honest Quaker (I actually have two of these!). It may be a bit better. I > think I’m going to try a counter weight on the “tone arm” to lighten the > reproduce a bit. That may let it play through an 8” record. > > Looks like you and I are the only ones on the oldcrank phonograph list. NO > one else commented. > > > Ron L > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of Mike Tucker via Phono-L > Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2019 6:13 PM > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' > Cc: mtucker1...@gmail.com <mailto:mtucker1...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems > > Ron, > > What is the width of the spring? > > The Windsor listing gives the following for small toy motors (Genola, Baby > Grand,Carryola Cub, Pei-o-phone, Artone, Featherweight etc) with pear shape > holes as ½” x .022 x 8feet. > > For old type toy motors the dimensions are 9/16” x .025 x 10 feet. > > I have no specific listing for the Little Wonder. > > Best wishes, > > Mike Tucker > > From: Phono-L <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>> On Behalf Of Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2019 6:29 AM > To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com <mailto:phonol...@yahoogroups.com>; 'Antique > Phonograph List' mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > Cc: Ron L'Herault mailto:lhera...@verizon.net>> > Subject: [Phono-L] Little Wonder Phono problems > > I’ve been sent a LW phono with a host of small problems. This is a Vertical > only machine that according to the lit. should use a sapphire ball. The > governor springs were wrong. I’ve got two with Columbia weights that are > pretty close. Had to make a lower bearing for the governor. It’s tad > sloppy but rotational speed seems fairly consistent until the record slows > half way into the side. I suspect the spring is the wrong size (too long > and maybe too thick). S, what size should the spring be? There is a > dish shaped washer on the winding gear side of the spring. Should the > upward curve of the dish be towards the spring or towards the winding gear? > Should the spring be exposed on its other end or was there another dish or > flat disk there?Anybody know? And does anyone know the actual length, > width, thickness of the gov. springs? > > Thanks, > > Ron L > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket
No, Robert. Wooden wedges between the coils and the steel magnetic core do not cause any losses. They are transparent to magnetism. Also, the motor will be more efficient if the coil is NOT moving or vibrating. Movement wastes mechanical energy. When I worked in the industrial world, a transformer with a loud hum was almost always caused by the wooden wedges falling out. There are supposed to be wedges between the steel core and the windings in a transformer to prevent movement and hum. Jim Nichol > On Nov 20, 2018, at 1:15 AM, Robert Wright via Phono-L > wrote: > > Thank you, Mike! Hahaha, my phone's speech-to-text function butchers what I > tell it so frequently that I read right through your 'mess' no problem. > > So if I stick popsicle sticks between the outer coil windings and the core, > will any voltage be lost/wasted from anything being aligned differently than > originally manufactured, or does that not make any real difference in this > situation? > > I did try the plug in both polarities -- no change in hum volume. It has > worked on plenty of 60s and 70s portable phonos I've had, though. > > > Best, > Robert > > > From: Phono-L <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>> on behalf of Mike Stitt via Phono-L > mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > Sent: Monday, November 19, 2018 10:08 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Cc: Mike Stitt > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket > > Man my last email was a mess. > Popsicle sticks can be used as shims to "tighten" up the coils. They tend to > shrink. > Glyptal is a red slushing type of paint that insulates and drys hard. > It is common for use in re-insulating coils. The spray type isn't nearly as > good as the brush on type. > It shouldn't make a difference but you might try turning the plug around. > If that should elimate the hum, test for voltage between the motor and a > known ground. Before polarized plugs touching say a radio chassis and a water > pipe would zap you, 115 volts. > Mike > Damn tablets! > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 5:30 PM Mike Stitt <mailto:smst...@gmail.com> wrote: > Loose coils can cause a hum type of sound. More than likely the swab used was > glyptal. If the coila are lose use popcycle sticks. > Mike > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018, 5:21 PM Leroy Barco via Phono-L <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote: > I once had an electric credenza with a bad hum in the motor. > I found a small motor guy who diagnosed that it had “dried out “. > He had a solution he swabbed on several times that permeated the windings and > fixed the hum. > > I’m like Sgt. Schultz on the details. “I know nothing!” > > LeRoy > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 12:25 PM Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: > The Victor book gives some tips on reducing hum, such as checking the plate > tightness, and adding felt between cabinet and motorboard. There are no > circuit components other than switches.Have you checked with George > Vollema for the tone arm bracket? I understand that Wyatt Marcus is doing > really good Orth reproducer rebuilds. > > Ron L > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of Robert Wright via Phono-L > Sent: Sunday, November 18, 2018 9:03 PM > To: Phono L > Cc: Robert Wright > Subject: [Phono-L] Victor VE8-12X tonearm mounting bracket > > Hey everyone, hope all is well with you folks! I need a whole new tonearm > mounting bracket assembly for a Victor VE8-12X that I just got. This one is > totally and utterly wrecked. Anyone know who's selling repros? Ron Sitko? > JAS? Anyone have current contact info for a dealer who would have some? > > Also, has anyone rebuilt one of these electric platter motors? This one works > great, but it has a really loud mechanical 60Hz hum. I want to replace any > components in the circuit that I can, and also do a full cleaning and lube > job, but I would really like to know what I'm getting into first. > > And lastly, anyone have Walt's current info in case I want to have him > rebuild this reproducer? > > Thanks a million! > Robert > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org>___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org>___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts
Whoops. I meant “couldn’t resist”. Anyway, you’ll find lots of link with pictures of your phono. Jim Nichol > On Nov 11, 2018, at 2:04 PM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L > wrote: > > Sorry, Bob. I could resist. (See link below). > > http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+phonograph+baby+cabinet > <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+phonograph+baby+cabinet> > > Jim Nichol > >> On Nov 11, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Bob Maffit via Phono-L > <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: >> >> Phono list: >> >> I obtained a child’s phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing >> Co. from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says: >> Baby Cabinet >> The sides and lid, are medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty. >> It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given >> there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a >> very small hole at the right rear of the motor board. >> I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack! *smile* >> >> If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at >> and or has a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with ….. >> >> Thanks in advance >> >> Bob Maffit >> >> ___ >> Phono-L mailing list >> http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> >> Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org >> <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] child's phonograph seeking info & parts
Sorry, Bob. I could resist. (See link below). http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+phonograph+baby+cabinet <http://lmgtfy.com/?q=general+phonograph+baby+cabinet> Jim Nichol > On Nov 11, 2018, at 1:53 PM, Bob Maffit via Phono-L > wrote: > > Phono list: > > I obtained a child’s phonograph made by: General Phonograph manufacturing Co. > from Elyria Ohio. On the label at the base of the lid in front says: Baby > Cabinet > The sides and lid, are medal, with decals, like Humpty Dumpty. > It is missing the tone arm, which I think also functions as the horn, given > there is no place for a horn, and it appears the tone arm just fits in a very > small hole at the right rear of the motor board. > I recognize finding such is like looking for a needle in a hay stack! *smile* > > If anyone has a reference in any book, that I could get someone to look at > and or has a tone arm / horn etc., they would be willing to part with ….. > > Thanks in advance > > Bob Maffit > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono repair in Orange County CA?
Even if the list doesn’t have a lot of active posts, I assume plenty of knowledgeable people are still receiving them. Jim Nichol > On Dec 19, 2017, at 9:11 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: > > This list is not that active, unfortunately. Lots of migration to Face Book > which I find rather annoying when it comes to following meaningful > discussions, or asking for help. You often have to search for responses. > > Ron > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of r kruz via Phono-L > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 10:57 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Cc: r kruz > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Phono repair in Orange County CA? > > thanks for that. Hes a good choice but unfortunately over 500 miles north of > me. > > Is this list still active? I havent seen much in the past while. > > Thanks again! > > > > On December 18, 2017 at 8:50 PM Ron L'Herault via Phono-L > <phono-l@oldcrank.org <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> wrote: > > Don’t know where they are in relation to Orange County but have you looked > into Wyatt’s Musical Americana? > > > > Ron L > > > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of r kruz via Phono-L > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2017 3:18 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Cc: r kruz > Subject: [Phono-L] Phono repair in Orange County CA? > > > > I have a Triumph. Probably broken spring. Who can repair preferably in > Orange County CA? > > Thanks! > > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://phono-l.org <http://phono-l.org/> > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org> ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison E
The picture that Randy posted looks identical to the Model F pictured in the Frow book. It says the E had a side mount carriage arm with large opening for a Model N reproducer, whereas the F had top mount carriage arm with a small opening for C, H, R, or S reproducers. It says the Model E had a straight paneled horn with a front mount crane, whereas the Model F had a cygnet horn with a back mount crane bracket. Also, the Standard Models D, E, and F all had both 2 and 4 minute gearing. HOWEVER, on the Model E, the mechanism was blocked to keep it in 4-minute mode all the time. If Randy found it was stuck in 4-minute mode, this would support the E nameplate. Otherwise, everything else points to a Model F. Of course, you never know what really happened at the Edison factory. Jim Nichol > On Apr 13, 2017, at 9:29 PM, harvey kravitz via Phono-L > <phono-l@oldcrank.org> wrote: > > It's probably a Model D Standard. These were 2.4 min. The model E was > strictly a 4 min. machine. > Harvey Kravitz > > > From: Jamie Kelly via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > To: 'Antique Phonograph List' <phono-l@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > Cc: Jamie Kelly <otrja...@gmail.com <mailto:otrja...@gmail.com>> > Sent: Thursday, April 13, 2017 6:24 PM > Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Edison E > > I’d love to get the cylinder cabinet but tricky to get to Australia. > Jamie > > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org>] On Behalf Of Randy Larson via Phono-L > Sent: Friday, 14 April 2017 10:27 AM > To: Antique Phonograph List <phono-l@oldcrank.org > <mailto:phono-l@oldcrank.org>> > Cc: Randy Larson <ra...@cityprayz.com <mailto:ra...@cityprayz.com>> > Subject: [Phono-L] Edison E > > I'm selling this for a lady that recently lost her house in a fire with no > insurance. This was in storage and spared. It's an Standard E . It has the > 2&4 conversion and a new H reproducer. The motor was cleaned and new spring > installed in 2004. The base of the Cygnet horn has been restored. This comes > with a cylinder cabinet, all in excellent condition (except for the upper > half of the horn). All proceeds go to helping this lady get back on her feet. > Thechrome Cygnet horn support is also new. It plays beautifully. I can > send more pics upon request. A phono friend thought it would go between 7 to > 900 dollars. Let me know if interested. Thanks > Randy Larson > > > > <http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/4BZV-CMcCXeDCm8Y2UCC1w~~/AABF2wA~/RgRa0X8KP0EIACx3UAiQeC1XA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjMuMTIxLjMzQgoAAIlL8FixSyuvUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQAhLICaHR0cDovL3Bvc3Quc3BtYWlsdGVjaG4uY29tL2YvYS9ZLXhNYjlfa3l0MEdFTHJwY09JUkFRfn4vQUFCRjJ3QX4vUmdSYTBWc01QMEVJQUN4M1VBaUxodE5YQTNOd1kxZ0VBQUFBQUZrR2MyaGhjbVZrWVFkb1pXeHNiMTgxWUEwMU1pNHpOeTR4TVRrdU1UazJRZ29BQUl3bjhGaXhTM080VWhCcWJtbGphRzlzUUdaMWMyVXVibVYwQ1ZFRUFBQUFBSVJxQVdoMGRIQTZMeTl3YjNOMExuTndiV0ZwYkhSbFkyaHVMbU52YlM5bUwyRXZSME15VjBZMWVsQTBhazVYY1ZaQk9XMTZibmsyWjM1LUwwRkJRa1l5ZDBGLUwxSm5VbUV3Vm1jMVVEQkZTVUZEZUROVlFXbE1TWFJTV0VFelRuZFpNV2RGUVVGQlFVRkdhMGRqTW1ob1kyMVdhMWxSWkc5YVYzaHpZakU0TVZsQmR6Rk5hVFI2VDFNME1VMVROSGhQUkZKRFEyZEJRWFZUVkhkWFRFWk1ZV281VTBZeWFHaGpibHBzWlZkMGVWbFlXbkJrU0hCQlpWZEdiMkl5T0hWWk1qbDBRMVpGUlVGQlFVRkJSVkoyWVVoU01HTklUVFpNZVRrelpETmpkVmxZV21oak0xRjFXVEk1ZEV3elRuQmFlVEZzWWxkR2NHSkVPVEZrUnpGbVlsZFdhMkZZVm5SUVYxWjBXVmRzYzBwdVZqQmlWamw2WWpOV2VWa3lWVGxpUjJ4MVlYbGFNV1JITVdaWk1rWjBZMGRHY0ZveU5EbGpNbXh1VEZkV2RGbFhiSE5LYmxZd1lsWTVhbUl5TlRCYVZ6VXdVRmRXZEZsWGJITlpNbmh3V2xjMU1GSjNTamRtVVg1LVJ3SjdmUX5-RwJ7fQ~~> > Virus-free. www.avast.com > <http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/4BZV-CMcCXeDCm8Y2UCC1w~~/AABF2wA~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
Re: [Phono-L] Donley Phono Auction - Sat. March 18
Just to clarify: There is NO RESERVE on any of my items in the Donley auction. Randy Donley called me to say that someone thought I might have placed a Reserve, but I did NOT. Also, I've heard that some people were concerned that the Idelia Spruce horn is not original. It is original. And it is correct for the rare Edison Spruce horns to have a blonde finish inside, and a dark finish outside. Randy and another collector agree with me that this is an original horn. Jim Nichol Sent from my iPad > On Mar 16, 2017, at 3:42 AM, Jim Nichol via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: > > Is anyone attending the Donley Music auction on Saturday in Union? You may > also watch the auction's live online video. And you can bid online right now, > without having to wait for the auction to start.. To do so, click on "View > Catalog" at: > > http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/aeWaoaxyMTDn9gQla3aufw~~/AABF2wA~/RgRarXlAP0EIACxk0zvz11VXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA01Mi4zNy4xMTkuMTk2QgoAAMBFzFi5f5lKUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARB1odHRwOi8vd3d3LmRvbmxleWF1Y3Rpb25zLmNvbUcCe30~ > > You may bid on these items that I am selling: > > Edison Idelia - Lot 196 > Edison Opera - Lot 141 > Edison Amberola III (Opera mechanism) - Lot 327 > Edison W-19 William and Mary Diamond Disc - Lot 326 > Brunswick Japanese Upright Disc Phono with Ultona Head (Edison, Pathe, > needle) - Lot 328 > Columbia BF Graphophone - plays regular 4-inch long cylinders, and Columbia > 6-inch long cylinders - Lot 156 > Pink Lambert 5-inch Cylinder in Original Box - Lot 173 > Pathe 5-inch Cylinder in Pathe Box - Lot 176 > Edison 5-inch Cylinder in Edison Box - Lot 181 > Phoenix Brand 5-inch Cylinder (modern) in Original Box - Lot 182 > Edison Suitcase Standard - Lot 336 > > METAL CYLINDER MOLD FOR BLUE AMBEROL, and matching cylinder - I’ve never > heard of another Edison mold for sale - Lot 174 > Three Metal Master Discs for stamping Victor records - Lot 612 > Edison Speaking Tube - Lot 478 > Copper Oxidized Edison Diamond Disc Reproducer - Lot 479 > Carbon Arc Lamp - sold as a sunlamp, and actually uses an arc from carbon > rods, using an internal resistor to limit current. Plugs into 120v outlet - > Lot 585 > > Four stunning Reproduction Tinfoil Phonographs: > Edison Parlor Tinfoil by Bill Ptacek - Lot 221 > Edison Hardy Tinfoil by Ray Phillips - Lot 222 > Gillette Tinfoil by Neil Maken - Lot 223 > Edison Parlor by Ray Phillips - Lot 224 > > To avoid scrolling through hundreds of Lots, take advantage of the “Search > Catalog” function, and especially the “Go to Lot” function to jump right to > my lots. > > Good luck! > Jim Nichol > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/C2nzgRqzwujokC0XhBuDUA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRarXlAP0EIACxk0zvz11VXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA01Mi4zNy4xMTkuMTk2QgoAAMBFzFi5f5lKUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARBJodHRwOi8vcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdHAnt9 > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Donley Phono Auction - Sat. March 18
Is anyone attending the Donley Music auction on Saturday in Union? You may also watch the auction's live online video. And you can bid online right now, without having to wait for the auction to start.. To do so, click on "View Catalog" at: http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/m7WeJGBG_Tiq6eq30AGvSA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaq4OkP0EIACxk0raiRXJXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA01Mi4zNy4xMTkuMTk2QgoAACRQyliY0janUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARB1odHRwOi8vd3d3LmRvbmxleWF1Y3Rpb25zLmNvbUcCe30~ <http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/lPXzkk3m6bZzZAkOOK7Feg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaq4OkP0EIACxk0raiRXJXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA01Mi4zNy4xMTkuMTk2QgoAACRQyliY0janUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARB5odHRwOi8vd3d3LmRvbmxleWF1Y3Rpb25zLmNvbS9HAnt9> You may bid on these items that I am selling: Edison Idelia - Lot 196 Edison Opera - Lot 141 Edison Amberola III (Opera mechanism) - Lot 327 Edison W-19 William and Mary Diamond Disc - Lot 326 Brunswick Japanese Upright Disc Phono with Ultona Head (Edison, Pathe, needle) - Lot 328 Columbia BF Graphophone - plays regular 4-inch long cylinders, and Columbia 6-inch long cylinders - Lot 156 Pink Lambert 5-inch Cylinder in Original Box - Lot 173 Pathe 5-inch Cylinder in Pathe Box - Lot 176 Edison 5-inch Cylinder in Edison Box - Lot 181 Phoenix Brand 5-inch Cylinder (modern) in Original Box - Lot 182 Edison Suitcase Standard - Lot 336 METAL CYLINDER MOLD FOR BLUE AMBEROL, and matching cylinder - I’ve never heard of another Edison mold for sale - Lot 174 Three Metal Master Discs for stamping Victor records - Lot 612 Edison Speaking Tube - Lot 478 Copper Oxidized Edison Diamond Disc Reproducer - Lot 479 Carbon Arc Lamp - sold as a sunlamp, and actually uses an arc from carbon rods, using an internal resistor to limit current. Plugs into 120v outlet - Lot 585 Four stunning Reproduction Tinfoil Phonographs: Edison Parlor Tinfoil by Bill Ptacek - Lot 221 Edison Hardy Tinfoil by Ray Phillips - Lot 222 Gillette Tinfoil by Neil Maken - Lot 223 Edison Parlor by Ray Phillips - Lot 224 To avoid scrolling through hundreds of Lots, take advantage of the “Search Catalog” function, and especially the “Go to Lot” function to jump right to my lots. Good luck! Jim Nichol ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Listening Tube Wires For Sale - Again!
I found the pics with Google: http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/N-mU-z9P7ruIo8Pm5ZwUiA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaSvypP0EIAWwzal4IpbdXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjIuMTcyLjcwQgoABSjJaVjxWARDUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARDpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW0udGFsa2luZ21hY2hpbmUuaW5mby92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP2Y9OSZ0PTIyNzU0RwJ7fQ~~ <http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/N-mU-z9P7ruIo8Pm5ZwUiA~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaSvypP0EIAWwzal4IpbdXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjIuMTcyLjcwQgoABSjJaVjxWARDUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARDpodHRwOi8vZm9ydW0udGFsa2luZ21hY2hpbmUuaW5mby92aWV3dG9waWMucGhwP2Y9OSZ0PTIyNzU0RwJ7fQ~~> Jim Nichol > On Jan 1, 2017, at 10:25 PM, Ron L'Herault via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: > > I'd love to see a picture of the wires, Shawn. I can't imagine what they > look like. > > Ron L'Herault > lherault at verizon dot net > > > From: Phono-L [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Shawn > ORourke via Phono-L > Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 8:32 PM > To: Antique Phonograph List > Cc: Shawn ORourke > Subject: [Phono-L] Listening Tube Wires For Sale - Again! > > Years ago, I found two original external listening tube support wires. They > were so useful, making those floppy listening tubes highly functional, that I > made a run of them, some to keep and some to sell to other friends. They were > not easy to form. I vowed at the time never to make another run. About a year > ago, I went back on that statement and I made another run. Even thought they > sold out quickly, that time, I said "never again." I guess you never say > "never" or "never again." > > Available once more I have made a limited production run of these listening > tube wires. The reproductions are exactly as the original, nickel plated and > highly functional. > > These would be correct for any early set of listing tubes without wire > supports. Pictures of the reproduction wire, and a scan of an original ad > showing the wire are available upon request. > > The price is $40.00. Please contact me directly at my email with interest. > > Thank you > > > Shawn > -- > Shawn O'Rourke > (248) 915 0954 > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://post.spmailtechn.com/f/a/96YPaKc9SEMAPAgM5IWA3A~~/AABF2wA~/RgRaSvypP0EIAWwzal4IpbdXA3NwY1gEAFkGc2hhcmVkYQdoZWxsb181YA0zNS4xNjIuMTcyLjcwQgoABSjJaVjxWARDUhhhcmNoaXZlQG1haWwtYXJjaGl2ZS5jb20JUQQARBJodHRwOi8vcGhvbm8tbC5vcmdHAnt9 > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Model K/S pointer needed
John, I think I have a damaged Model S. Let me check when I get home. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net <mailto:jnic...@fuse.net> > On May 1, 2016, at 9:10 PM, John Robles via Phono-L <phono-l@oldcrank.org> > wrote: > > Anyone got a pointer for a model K or S reproducer? The little pointer that > you turn the sapphires with. Thanks! > > John Robles > > > ___ > Phono-L mailing list > http://go.sparkpostmail.com/f/a/bJRjC331XjOMyskSltb2Mg~~/AABF2wA~/RgRZB-VnP0EIAGuTTHCChqQXWAQAWQZzaGFyZWRCCgAB57EmV3N8QWRSGGFyY2hpdmVAbWFpbC1hcmNoaXZlLmNvbQlRBABEEmh0dHA6Ly9waG9uby1sLm9yZ0cCe30~ > Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org Unsubscribe: phono-l-unsubscr...@oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Security Breach at ebay
I have to admit that the email below looks suspicious. But I think the story is true. Like you, I would NEVER click on a link in an email to logon somewhere. But I did manually go to eBay and change my password this afternoon. I found eBay's official statement by first going to eBay.com, then following a link there to their corporate site at eBayinc.com and found their statement. It says they are planning to notify its users about stolen personal information, but didn't say exactly when. Jim Nichol On May 21, 2014, at 11:13 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: This looks suspiciously like a phishing attempt or something...I have no notification on my ebay account about any sort of breach of security. And I am always afraid to click a link in an email that warns of a breach! Anyone else heard about this?? Ebay would notify its members, I'm sure. John Robles On Wednesday, May 21, 2014 3:47 PM, Kat Hall kathal...@gmail.com wrote: WARNING - SECURITY BREACH! Earlier today, eBay announced that a cyber attack carried out three months ago has compromised customer data, and the company urged 145 million users of its online commerce platform to change their passwords in order to protect their personal information. While they claim the files stolen did not contain financial information including credit and debit card numbers you can never be too safe so we strongly urge you to change your password as well if you use the site. Furthermore, eBay stated it found no evidence of unauthorized access to financial information at its PayPal payments subsidiary, which encrypts and stores its data separately. These security breaches and cyber attacks seem to be happening more and more and it's important that you are aware of each one so as to protect yourself and your personal information if you use any and all affected sites and services. For more info see here: http://www.cnet.com/news/ebay-hacked-requests-all-users-change-passwords/ From the Desk of Kat Hall Executive Assistant to Ms. Smith (Publisher) Champagne Book Group Review Coordinator Author Liaison www.champagnebooks.com www.carnalpassions.com www.burstbooks.ca ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] videos on the making of phonograph cylinders
Wow. This is very impressive! Jim Nichol On May 10, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Thomas Edison edisonphonowo...@hotmail.com wrote: http://youtu.be/aAvBl-4h4cU http://youtu.be/XS9l79FtrSU http://youtu.be/VB_YDdPRJYI The Above videos take you from Edison's cylinder blank production to how blanks are made at Borri Audio Laboratories. You will see the manufacture of metallic soap, the molding of a phonograph blank (in 1900 and present) and how the blank is trimmed and edged. Only 3 people on the planet who can share this with you. Lets stop the bickering, by the way, all of us who make these things are friends, all put a ridiculous amount of time into something not so appreciated, and sometimes ridiculed as phonographic blasphemy. Add up the time of each operation. The compound takes 7 hours to make, about an hour to mold each blank, and 10-15 minutes to trim and edge a blank. They sit for 30 days and are shaved, shaving a blank from 2.39 down to 2.196-2.170 takes 20-30 minutes. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
Shawn, the reason you and Ken D. are confused is that this entire transaction was conducted publicly on Phonolist. That isn't a problem, except that Shawn and Ken Danckaert (and possibly Ken Ogden) didn't know that. So no, Shawn did not accidentally send an email to Ken Danckaert. Remember, everyone. Any time you reply to a message from Phonolist, it goes out to everyone. This is in spite of the fact that an individual's email address appears in the header of each message. Jim Nichol On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:33 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Ken. I am confused. Phonoken bought the reproducer around 11:03 today. I am not sure how I got your email. I apologize. Shawn Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 From: Ken Danckaert Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:55 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Hi Shawn, Phonoken is not me. I am kendphono. Ken Danckaert On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Ken. I'll mark it sold to you. I can ship it priority to a US address, with insurance for 8.35. So the total would be $113.35. Shoot me your address and I'll get it boxed up and mark it sold. Shawn Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 From: phono...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:44 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Not sure my reply was received. I would like to buy the reproducer. Please send total due and your mailing address. Thanks Ken Ogden -Original Message- From: phonoken phono...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE I'll take the Model H reproducer. Please provide total due and your mailing address. Thanks Ken Ogden -Original Message- From: mshawnorourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 9:19 am Subject: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE EDISON MODEL H: A very nice Edison model H reproducer. This one retains most of its original green stain. These reproducers were stained Green to allow the owners to distinguish between the Edison H and the Edison C. This one plays wonderfully. I replaced the limit loop which was missing when I received it. The original jewel is nice on this one. It easily fits in and out of the carriage. This would be a nice reproducer to add to your Edison four minute machine. PRICE: $105.00. EDISON LONG CASE HOME BOTTOM CASE: This is the bottom only to an Edison Home Long Case model A. It has a very nice original decal and much better than average original finish. The bottom board has the common split observed in most Edison Home cases. This could be a nice upgrade for a case bottom that has been refinished or has a less than desirable decal. It is a nice case bottom. PRICE: $95.00 HAWTHORN AND SHEBLE CRANE. It is suitable and will work well on an Edison Home, Standard or Triumph. As well, it works on Columbia machines, certainly and A or an N. Being very adjustable, it will work with most smaller, as well as most larger horns (and all in between)This one is in as found condition and could use a little cleaning up. It will make a nice crane for someone who wants an all original example for their machine. PRICE: $165.00. Pictures available on request. Shipping and insurance only are additional. I will pay for the cost of a well packaged item. No PayPal, checks only. Please contact: mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest. Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE
Sorry, I meant Phono-L, not Phonolist. But the same comments apply to both. Jim Nichol On Mar 12, 2014, at 4:19 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Shawn, the reason you and Ken D. are confused is that this entire transaction was conducted publicly on Phonolist. That isn't a problem, except that Shawn and Ken Danckaert (and possibly Ken Ogden) didn't know that. So no, Shawn did not accidentally send an email to Ken Danckaert. Remember, everyone. Any time you reply to a message from Phonolist, it goes out to everyone. This is in spite of the fact that an individual's email address appears in the header of each message. Jim Nichol On Mar 12, 2014, at 3:33 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote: Sorry Ken. I am confused. Phonoken bought the reproducer around 11:03 today. I am not sure how I got your email. I apologize. Shawn Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 From: Ken Danckaert Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 1:55 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Hi Shawn, Phonoken is not me. I am kendphono. Ken Danckaert On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 1:14 PM, mshawnorou...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Ken. I'll mark it sold to you. I can ship it priority to a US address, with insurance for 8.35. So the total would be $113.35. Shoot me your address and I'll get it boxed up and mark it sold. Shawn Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 From: phono...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2014 11:44 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Not sure my reply was received. I would like to buy the reproducer. Please send total due and your mailing address. Thanks Ken Ogden -Original Message- From: phonoken phono...@aol.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 10:03 am Subject: Re: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE I'll take the Model H reproducer. Please provide total due and your mailing address. Thanks Ken Ogden -Original Message- From: mshawnorourke mshawnorou...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wed, Mar 12, 2014 9:19 am Subject: [Phono-L] NEW ITEMS FOR SALE EDISON MODEL H: A very nice Edison model H reproducer. This one retains most of its original green stain. These reproducers were stained Green to allow the owners to distinguish between the Edison H and the Edison C. This one plays wonderfully. I replaced the limit loop which was missing when I received it. The original jewel is nice on this one. It easily fits in and out of the carriage. This would be a nice reproducer to add to your Edison four minute machine. PRICE: $105.00. EDISON LONG CASE HOME BOTTOM CASE: This is the bottom only to an Edison Home Long Case model A. It has a very nice original decal and much better than average original finish. The bottom board has the common split observed in most Edison Home cases. This could be a nice upgrade for a case bottom that has been refinished or has a less than desirable decal. It is a nice case bottom. PRICE: $95.00 HAWTHORN AND SHEBLE CRANE. It is suitable and will work well on an Edison Home, Standard or Triumph. As well, it works on Columbia machines, certainly and A or an N. Being very adjustable, it will work with most smaller, as well as most larger horns (and all in between)This one is in as found condition and could use a little cleaning up. It will make a nice crane for someone who wants an all original example for their machine. PRICE: $165.00. Pictures available on request. Shipping and insurance only are additional. I will pay for the cost of a well packaged item. No PayPal, checks only. Please contact: mshawnorou...@gmail.com with interest. Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Wendell Moore's Passing
Here is Wendell's picture. (Be sure to click on the Fullscreen link below the picture). You can read the entire series of the Edison Phonograph Monthly (from Wendell Moore) online here: https://archive.org/details/edisonphonograph01moor Jim Nichol On Feb 13, 2014, at 12:28 PM, John9ten john9...@pacbell.net wrote: I believe there is a photo of him inside the book, at least the first volume. I'll check and scan. John robles On Feb 13, 2014, at 9:17 AM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: I Searched through my piles of photos of my trips to both Sedona and to Ft. Myers to visit Wendell (and I even seem to remember one at the only Orlando show I attended) but I can't seem to find any. I scanned hundreds of my photos last year (and probably have 100s more to scan) but none of Wendell. Sorry. I really do need to scan more - especially the ones I took at Edison site Pgms in NJ. Some of these I've shared before with the group. Steve In a message dated 2/12/2014 7:55:07 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, c5...@aol.com writes: Can someone post a picture of Wendell? So many of us know collectors by face. It helps us old timers to connect the name to the face. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] A New Year's Gift from The Antique Phonograph Society
This is so cool! Another phonograph book to load on my iPad. Jim Nichol On Dec 27, 2013, at 12:44 PM, George Paul gpaul2...@aol.com wrote: Happy New Year, everyone! :) I'm happy to announce that, through the hard work and generosity of Mr. R.J. Wakeman, The Antique Phonograph Society has made available on our website www.antiquephono.org his entire (heretofore unpublished) 380-page book entitled, Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records. Simply go to the Antique Phonograph Society website (http://www.antiquephono.org), click on the Articles header, then select Book Feature from the drop-down menu. Click on the cover image and the entire book will then download in a few moments. We are most grateful to Mr. Wakeman for his outstanding research and compilation on Brunswick - one of the major brands in the North America. We are also pleased and proud that Mr. Wakeman chose to make this significant resource available to collectors and sound historians through the Antique Phonograph Society. We think when you see Mr. Wakeman's book, you'll agree that this is the bible for Brunswick. We hope those interested in Brunswick Phonographs, Panatropes, and Records will enjoy the book, and we trust that it will serve as a valuable resource for decades to come. Watch the APS website for additional surprises over the next few weeks! :) We Wish a Very Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year to the Phonograph Collecting Community from The Antique Phonograph Society. George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Steve Ramm's Anything Phonographic Column with correct formatting
Steve, I assume you did not mean to say that Edison died in 1947. I'm not near my copy of the Antique Phonograph, so I'm not sure if that was fixed before publication. I was very interested in reading about the two free books mentioned in the last paragraph of the Tesla article. Jim Nichol On Nov 15, 2013, at 5:56 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: I just got my December issue of The Antique Phonograph, which incorporates the former In The Groove. The column that I submitted for October ITG appears in this issue. As with all things that change, unexpected things happen and somehow - from the proof copy that Editor Rene Rondeau submitted to the printer to the version that subscribers received the formatting (Italics, bolds, etc got screwed up. All the words are there, it's just harder to read. Luckily I saved a copy of the approved Proof and have posted it for you to read. (It'll make more sense that way.) Here is the link: http://tinyurl.com/kbmr6c2 Hopefully by the March 2014 issue the issue will be resolved. This will also give those of you who are not members of the APS or former MAPS a chance to see what my column (20 years and still going...) looks like Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] My review of the Woody Guthrie Box (including the vinyl 78 discuissed here)
OK, I clicked YES! Jim Nichol On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:58 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: _Amazon.com: Steven I. Ramm Steve Ramm Anything Phonographic's review of American Radical Patriot_ (http://www.amazon.com/review/RK7XKXHT6Q0SQ/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8ASIN=B008UTV5GGlinkCode=nodeID=tag=) And, of course, I'd appreciate your clicking the Yellow YES button for helpfulness at bottom of review if you find it helpful Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question
Rich, how about this? http://lmgtfy.com/?q=scotch+brite Jim On Sep 4, 2013, at 12:21 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: https://www.google.com/search?q=scotch+briteie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-US:officialclient=firefox-a On 09/04/2013 09:54 AM, Bob Maffit wrote: What is: Scotch brite later Bob -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Rich Sent: Monday, September 02, 2013 2:42 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Amberola Spring Re-greasing question Gently spring enough tabs to allow just popping the cover off. Scotch brite the spring to remove all the ossified graphite and Vaseline that is hanging it up. Relube with a high grade large clock spring lube or something like this http://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-product/grease/synthetic-polymeric-truck-chass is-and-equipment-grease-nlgi-1/?code=GPTR1CR-EA On 09/02/2013 03:08 PM, john robles wrote: Hello all I have a question. I have an Amberola 75 that I got a a possible trade/sale machine later on. For now I am keeping it. The springs are badly in need of lubrication, and the leaves are coming apart as the machine plays with noisy results. The springs may even need replacement. I have not regreased Amberola springs before, and I see that the barrels are held closed with metal tabs. To clean and grease the spring you have to unbend them. Anyone done this with successful results (i.e. not breaking the tabs while bending)? I am tempted to buy another good spring barrel assembly with quiet, well greased springs for $95 as opposed to doing it myself. If I send it out, it would cost me over $100 to have it done by someone else. I do spring replacement jobs on Edison phonos, but I don't like doing it! What's your advice? John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Questions about Edison Standard machine
I also have an Edison ICS phonograph (has white International Correspondence School nameplate on the front). It's an Edison Standard Model C. It has the toothed lever for moving the reproducer back a few grooves. It also has a lift lever on the left side, held onto the carriage with a screw. If you do a Google search for ICS Edison Phonograph you'll see number of Edison Standards with the levers on either the left or right side. Jim Nichol On Aug 1, 2013, at 9:44 PM, David Dazer dda...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Sounds like an ICS language machine. I have a couple of them. Dave From: chuck richards chuc...@all2easy.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, August 1, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Questions about Edison Standard machine Recently I saw a working Edison Standard (model B I think) machine at the Dewitt County Museum. It has a few odd things about it: It has a carriage that has no lift lever. This carriage has teeth on the bottom which engage a spring-loaded rack that's bolted to the carriage-rest. When the rack is moved via its button, the carriage lifts and drops back a couple of grooves. Is this the language-teaching setup? What's odd about it is that there's no way to rest the carriage in the up position, which makes changing records a real hassle. This machine has an end gate, and it also has 2/4 gearing although I can't get it to budge so far out of the 2M gearing. It only has a model H reproducer, which the museum is using to play Gold Moulded 2M records! This machine has the funky early half-a-gearcase-cover So, is this carriage perhaps just missing its left lever? Seems to me that the rack assembly might need to be removed from the carriage rest, and maybe a different carriage substituted, (one that has a lift lever or the button). I am quite familiar with the Standard model D, but those earlier ones such as this one the museum has, are sort of new to me. It has the speed adjustment on the top of the bedplate. Any ideas about what the best thing to do might be to get that carriage so that it can at least rest in the up position? Thanks, Chuck Richards $4.95/mo. National Dialup, Anti-Spam, Anti-Virus, 5mb personal web space. 5x faster dialup for only $9.95/mo. No contracts, No fees, No Kidding! See http://www.All2Easy.net for more details! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name
I've never thought that In the Groove meant anything specific about our hobby, and is not a good way to recruit members. For instance, use Google to search for The Antique Phonograph, and you get our website on the 1st page of results. If you do a Google search on In the Groove, you don't get a hit until the 9th PAGE of results (long after most people would give up). Jim Nichol On Jul 11, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Paul Christenzen pic...@gmail.com wrote: Disagree!!! Nothing wrong with a good cliche (IF it even is one), historically significant, recognized world-wide and makes a good acronym. Paul Christenzen, simple-minded collector Bruce wrote: OK, I'll step up to be the first person to disagree with Steve. When the improvements were being made to the former CAPS publication, The Sound Box, concurrent with the name change to the organization, we wanted a name for the publication that would speak to the stature of its quality. Names like The Sound Box seemed too much like a cliché that fell far short of the quality of the product. In the Groove as a publication name, regardless of its age, falls short as well. Bruce Peterson - former CAPS/APS president -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ricci Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:26 AM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successorpublication name Well said, Steve! I agree 100% Melissa From: srsel...@aol.com srsel...@aol.com To: Phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Proposed Merger of MAPS and APS and successor publication name I am posting this to both Phonolist and Phono-L -- the two listserves I subscribe to. Those of you who belong to the Antique Phonograph Sovciety (formerly known as the Calif. APS) should have received a letter in the mail this week (or will shortly -- mine came yesterday) detailing the proposed merger of the APS with MAPS effective January 1, 2014, (I'm guessing MAPS members will get something soon.). I was told that there was a preliminary meeting of members held at the Union show lat month, though no mention was made in any reports of the show on either of these lists. So the mailing from CAPS was the first formal document I saw. As outlined in the letter, the two organizations are often serving the same group with 160 members (of MAPS' 607 and APS's 400 members belonging to both. Economically it makes sense because postage to mail each society's magazine/journal is the biggest cost. By combining memberships, there would be one dues and this might attract more members. (Side note here: Every person on these newsgroups should belong to at least one of these organizations to support the hobby.). The plan is to take the best of both magazines and combine into one. Currently APS's magazine focuses on pre-electric phonographs and and some recordings -- mostly pre-1910 -- while ITG (MAPs' magazine) covers recording artists as well as reissues of pre-Lp era recordings. (As most of you know, I have contributed a monthly -- now bi-monthly -- column, Anything Phonographic to ITG for over 20 years , not missing one issue yet!). I definitely support the merger if it will mean continuing the great volunteer work done by the Boards and contributors of both organizations. But -- as I wrote in a letter to both boards yesterday -- I feel that the proposal to make the name of the new society's publication -- which would be published quarterly with more yearly pages than either has now -- The Antique Phonograph is not a good move. Personally I do not feel that it reflects the contents if, in fact, the content will be similar to that in the current ITG. In The Groove was named 30 years ago by John Whitacre and I have worked with all four of its Editors during that time. It was chosen because it reflected phonographs (I don't call them antique phonographs because RCA 45 players from the 1950s are now considered antiques) and records. It was a brand that no one was using and has a history. The name The Antique Phonograph would imply that the publication was only for machine collectors. I know some of you -- and many who write me about my column -- may only have one or two windups but love old records and play them electrically or buy reissues on CDs. The reason for this (rather lengthy post) is to say that I plan to vote for the merger (the ballots are due by August 7th and I'll be on vacation for a short time before then ) but I am planning to note that, as a member, I feel the surviving magazine should be named In The Groove , maintaining its 30 year history. (BTW, RCA has an consumer newsletter covering their phonographs and records in the 1940s with the same name!). I encourage you
Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic
I guess he doesn't know that you should NEVER take vertical movies with a phone. It looks awful on a YouTube, and displays much smaller on your computer. Jim On May 9, 2013, at 12:43 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: I want one... I know where two are, but aren't for sale, within 5 miles of here. They are great looking machines. From: john9...@pacbell.net Date: Thu, 9 May 2013 09:10:08 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Rare Gothic Awesome. On May 9, 2013, at 7:32 AM, Loran Hughes lo...@oldcrank.com wrote: Sometimes, eBay coughs up something really special. http://goo.gl/MMD8q Loran ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] interesting old paper from 1955
I didn't know people collected phonographs in 1955! Jim On May 9, 2013, at 7:03 PM, ger ge...@comcast.net wrote: This was run by Rev. Kishpaugh, the man my father used to write to. The Rev. was way ahead of his time. Boy, did he know phonographs...used to give Pop advice. Notice that it says that the “rare Regina Hexaphone” will be on display. Reading is a little tough, but with a magnifying glass it can be done. It was a pretty small paper. Fun find (on flickr, taken in 2008), but I don’t know what I did with it after I took the photo. (: http://www.flickr.com/photos/gerdan/2546224249/in/set-72157605405674973/ Ger ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part.
He says all the radio people do it. I don't think so! It might be logical for the seller to post a video of a machine, but not a buyer. Better steer clear of this wacko. Jim On May 8, 2013, at 5:52 PM, Arvin Casas it...@arvincasas.com wrote: I considered hosting a video on my website in a password protected directory but then I thought it's a long way to go to prove I exist. I fully understand not wanting to get ripped off because it's incredibly easy these days, but at some point you have to take that Indiana Jones leap of faith. What struck me as odd was that even a cleared check was not enough. YouTube ergo Sum. :) Part of me is just sad it's come to this. I've met some great phono pholk here and on other virtual meeting grounds and at no time did I really question who folks said they were (maybe some iffy advice, but not their existence!). That's why I was wondering If this odd little war story of mine has any corollary or precedence with the good fellows here. It's a bit more than just promising to mow your grumpy neighbor's lawn for a summer just to get a peek at his 78's, lol. C'est La Vie Arvin On 5/8/13 5:09 PM, Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu wrote: Boy, this Gary guy seems a bit paranoid. He could always wait for the check to clear before sending the speaker. OTOH, I think you can post private video to Youtube. You'd send the link to Gary and tell him to let you know when he'd seen it. Then you could remove it, I would think. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Arvin Casas Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 2:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Weird things to do just for a part. Hi All, I have a weird question. In the process of restoring or acquiring pieces for your phonographs, have sellers asked you to do odd things beyond cutting a check? I'm trying to restore my Columbia-Kolster Viva-Tonal 950 and found a guy on youtube who has a speaker that matches what my 950 used to have. I contacted the seller, we negotiated a price. I tried to send him payment through my bank's electronic system (kinda like Paypal but not so many fees) but he said he had been ripped off that way and refused payment. Complying with his wishes, I was in the midst of cutting him a paper check (this time written by my bank and delivered by courier) when he backed out saying the whole thing was fishy. This seller, Gary in Wisconsin, now wants me to shoot my own youtube video showing me and my 950 to prove that I exist. It's a little more than I'm comfortable doing. (Despite the fact that I'm often compared to Cary Grant, I'm not particularly fond of videoing myself and posting them publicly.) Gary says all the radio people do it, so I should too. Has anybody else been put through the wringer like this just for a part? Those of you who cross dabble with Radios, do you often video yourself on youtube? My faith in humanity was sucker punched by this weirdness. Just wondering what others think and what other stories people might like to share, odd, weird, or otherwise. Best Wishes from Massachusetts! Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Amberola III saga on EBay - an update with a twist
I also assume that the phono will be severely damaged in shipment, due to lack of concern of the seller. Jim Nichol On Mar 25, 2013, at 1:35 PM, Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com wrote: I was afraid of this. I understood Al's intention in notifying the seller of what they were doing -- no one could have anticipated that this seller wouldn't honor the seller/buyer contracts -- but I was instantly worried that the seller, once alerted to the true value, would do something underhanded, again. Greed unfortunately rarely has boundaries. If there's a silver lining, it may be that the machine is put back together and sold intact. I can already picture the damaged screw slots and dings in the wood from the slip of a screwdriver. Andrew Baron Santa Fe On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:37 AM, Anil Menon wrote: I know this has been an emotional and heated issue for many of us on this board and on the ATM forum. Some of you know that after discussions with Al, George and Rene, I decided to save the Amberola. After several efforts to buy the machine outright and offering and getting rebuffed on a 3,500 dollar offer in my second effort, I decided to go after all 7 items. The seller, Leilani Gillard from Peachland, BC, said to me what she told others on this forum, namely, if you win all items, I will give you the cabinet and everything else that came with the machine. Well, I won 5 of the items, lost the horn to a bidder from Australia, and the lid went unsold. I offered to buy the lid and pay for the rest. The seller came back with a new offer of an additional 500 dollars for the cabinet. I replied firmly no way and asked her to meet her commitment. And, well, in the catgegory of a never ending saga, here is a new twist on the Amberoa III. Now, she has come back saying that she is canceling all of the 7 bids and relisting as entire machine...see her principled stance below! What a scream! I guess she wants to get a higher return than what she got...this is adding stupidity on top of greed? Enjoy the read below:-) Anil Dear I am going to cancel all the auction you won and realist the machine as one unite. I hope you understand . I already told the guy who won the horn i wasn't going to sell it. I will give you your refund back. I hope you understand i am just doing the right thing. It not about the money now. Regards Lelani - peachland250 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question
Yes, Rich brings up a good point. The most common winding failure is that the insulation on the windings fail (usually Field windings), causing the Field to be grounded to the motor frame. One of the most common and basic tests for suspected bad motors is to simply measure the resistance from the winding to the metal motor frame. It should be nearly infinite ohms. You could use an ohmmeter for this (or a multimeter on the Ohms scale). Professionals use a device called a megger. It is similar to an ohmmeter, except that it operates at a much higher voltage to get a more reliable reading. A regular ohmmeter probably uses a 9-volt battery for power. But meggers often have selector switches so they can put out 100 / 250 / 500 / 1000 volts DC, which is what I have. Some special ones at work go up to 10,000 volts DC to test high voltage cable insulation. Anyway, the purpose of meggers is to test the resistance of wiring to ground. If the ohms are small, then the insulation has failed. A grounded Field coil usually needs to be rewound. As Rich said, the motor might still work with a ground at only one spot in the coil (though it would be dangerous to touch the motor frame because of the voltage on it). But two grounds cause a section of the coil to be shorted out. For a DC (or Universal motor), any motor shop's basic tests would check that the brushes are OK, then megger the motor to see if the Field needs to be rewound. Jim Nichol On Feb 15, 2013, at 11:52 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: It does prove frustrating. Your best bet is someone who will show up to the next phonograph show who can spell electric motor. These things are not hard to fix actually. The most likely problem is that the field is grounded and as it is only a 2 wire device the case is also hot. It could also be the resistor has seen better days. The field coils are wrapped with linen strips and may or may not be then coated with tar. Either way when running on AC the coils flex at a 60 cycle rate and over time the wrapping fails and then the enamel on the wire wears through. This usually occurs at one or more of the 4 corners of the pole shoe. You can verify a field ground by connecting the motor to power and then checking the frame to ground for voltage. Any reading of voltage indicates a field ground. I have attached a drawing of a universal motor, showing DC supply but the AC is identical, and you can see that at least 2 grounds are required to bypass any field windings. This is what you usually find when digging into these, multiple points of failure. On 02/15/2013 10:07 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Jim Rich,Thanks for the info. My motor is definitely a Universal motor with carbon brushes. The brushes are in excellent shape and the armature runs true. The main problem I'm having is shorts, as opposed to opens. The motor runs until a load is applied, then you can basically shut it down with your fingers. The REAL problem that I have had is due to our geographical location - North Carolina. There are some very good motor shops, but they won't mess with a small problem motor that doesn't generate any return business. If you find a mom pop operation, they work whenever they get around to it... I left it with one place and the owner promised he would get to it in a week - two months later I went back to check and it was still sitting on his desk in the same place I left it. Another said he could rewind it, then quit his job. Another guy sent it to Michigan to someplace that was willing to work on it, but wanted $900 with no guarantees that they could fix it. As far a s electrical engineers go, 99.9% of the population probably don't know what electrical engineers do for a living and they are not in abundance around here, except at the nuclear power plant. The guy who works on your motor may or may not have graduated high school and knows how to fix one or two common motors that are used commercially - give him a challenge and it ends right there. I am tired of being asked by people in motor shops - What are you going to use it for? or What's wrong with it? If I knew what was wrong and how to fix it, I wouldn't be asking them. What difference does it make what I'm going to use it for? I just want it to run... AND if I did explain that I wanted to use it in a lamp phonograph... you get the picture. Do I sound stressed? -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Selection_131.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 31347 bytes Desc: not available URL: http://oldcrank.org/pipermail/phono-l/attachments/20130215/09c25c36/attachment.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question
Al didn't say you had a short. He said you had an open. They are opposites of each other. He only mentioned shorted turns to imply that they are NOT likely to be the problem. A broken wire is an open, resulting in zero current. A short is two wires touching each other, causing the current to take a shorter path than intended. In a lamp cord a short would blow a fuse, whereas an open would prevent current from flowing. I recommend not saying short when you mean open (though many electrical novices do). If you said you thought the motor has a short at a repair shop, it would mark you as unknowledgeable, maybe setting yourself up to be ripped off. The symptom of an open in your motor would be that nothing happens at all. On the other hand, saying the motor has a short (or more specifically shorted turns) means that a few of the loops of wire in the coils are shorted together, causing the current to bypass them. This would lower the overall resistance of the coils, thus increasing the current. The motor would still run, but would have less magnetic torque (because some of the turns of wire are not carrying current), and the remaining turns would get hot. Sorry for the lecture, but as an electrical engineer, this is one of my pet peeves. Jim On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Al,Thanks for the reply. As you noted, I have been advised that it was a short in the motor somewhere. The problem seems to be that this motor is wound for three different types of power - AC/DC and maybe 220. So, either the shops don't know what the problem is or they just don't want to mess with it... I'm tending toward the latter, since the guys I sent it to are very knowledgeable. There is a picture of the motor on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com A shortcut to the pic is: http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site/twilight-zone-2#!__fairy-phono-lampCurt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question Induction motors that lack torque can usually be traced to an open field coil or an open armature loop. A shorted turn will eat torque but the motor will let you know by getting hot. How about a photo of the motor? Most good motor shops can fix anything from fractional horsepower to 100 HP. Do you know of a fan collector in your area? I have repaired fan motors that lost power and have the same symptoms of your phonograph. These things are not rocket science. Best wishes, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question
If this is a Universal motor, it can be easily identified by having carbon brushes riding on a commutator. A Universal motor is really a DC motor that has been specially designed to also work on AC. Whereas an Induction motor is AC-only, and is an entirely different thing (no brushes). Any motor repair shop that knows anything about DC motors should be able to analyze a Universal motor. As a matter of fact, the first thing to check before getting it repaired is to see if the carbon brushes are worn down, and the springs that push them against the commutator are working. Often the brushes get stuck in their brush holder slots from carbon dust and grime, and are no longer making contact with the commutator. Freeing up the brushes so they slide easily will fix such a motor. A DC motor (and a Universal motor) have two sets of windings called FIELD windings and ARMATURE windings. The Field coils are stationary, and are often bolted to the inside of the motor frame. The Armature coils are wound onto the rotor. The brushes and commutator bars are used to connect the power source to the Armature (rotor) windings. It is possible for DC motors to be made in two configurations. The Field and Armature windings can be wired in parallel with each other, or they can be wired in series. Such DC motors are called either parallel or series wound. Universal motors are usually series wound. Series motors (unlike parallel) have huge torque at slow or stalled speeds, and very low torque at high speeds. This is because if the mechanical load stalls the motor, it slows down, which increases the current in the Armature. Because the Armature and Field are in series, they then BOTH get more current, more magnetism in BOTH Armature and Field, and thus more torque squared. This is great for home use, like drill motors, vacuum cleaners, and for phonographs with heavy tonearms. The slower it goes, the more torque is created to compensate. There are two drawbacks for series motors. At high speeds they have very low torque, and secondly, they can theoretically reach infinite speed if there is no mechanic al load and fly apart. Some even have fans to provide a little load at high speeds. Jim Nichol On Feb 15, 2013, at 3:04 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: He was advised that it was a short. You are correct that the correct condition condition description is OPEN Circuit. If the fields happen to be in parallel then that would be where I would start looking. On 02/15/2013 01:04 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: Al didn't say you had a short. He said you had an open. They are opposites of each other. He only mentioned shorted turns to imply that they are NOT likely to be the problem. A broken wire is an open, resulting in zero current. A short is two wires touching each other, causing the current to take a shorter path than intended. In a lamp cord a short would blow a fuse, whereas an open would prevent current from flowing. I recommend not saying short when you mean open (though many electrical novices do). If you said you thought the motor has a short at a repair shop, it would mark you as unknowledgeable, maybe setting yourself up to be ripped off. The symptom of an open in your motor would be that nothing happens at all. On the other hand, saying the motor has a short (or more specifically shorted turns) means that a few of the loops of wire in the coils are shorted together, causing the current to bypass them. This would lower the overall resistance of the coils, thus increasing the current. The motor would still run, but would have less magnetic torque (because some of the turns of wire are not carrying current), and the remaining turns would get hot. Sorry for the lecture, but as an electrical engineer, this is one of my pet peeves. Jim On Feb 15, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Al,Thanks for the reply. As you noted, I have been advised that it was a short in the motor somewhere. The problem seems to be that this motor is wound for three different types of power - AC/DC and maybe 220. So, either the shops don't know what the problem is or they just don't want to mess with it... I'm tending toward the latter, since the guys I sent it to are very knowledgeable. There is a picture of the motor on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com A shortcut to the pic is: http://open1234.wix.com/camps-site/twilight-zone-2#!__fairy-phono-lampCurt To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 04:01:17 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Turntable Motor Question Induction motors that lack torque can usually be traced to an open field coil or an open armature loop. A shorted turn will eat torque but the motor will let you know by getting hot. How about a photo of the motor? Most good motor shops can fix anything from fractional horsepower to 100 HP.Do you know
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II
Arvin, I have what I'd describe as a mint copy of this book. I probably bought it at Union to complete the set because I already had Volume I. But haven't used it since I don't have any disc machines by Columbia. Reply to me privately if you're still interested. Are you in the USA? I'm in Ohio. Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net On Feb 4, 2013, at 3:26 PM, Arvin Casas aca...@spamcop.net wrote: Hello All, My recent attempt to purchase a copy of The Columbia Phonograph Companion Volume II has ended in failure. I went to the effort of buying through Amazon UK through a now-known-to-me shady seller. Thankfully I was able to get my cool hundred or so back! My adventures in the underworld over, I was wondering if any good folk out there happen to have an extra copy of Mr Baumbach's out-of-print opus? I've tried scouring sources far and wide, from the office of the good author to used book dealers to, as evidenced above, the darkened alleys of Amazon marketplace UK, but apparently out-of-print means in my case, removed from the face of the earth. :O Any help would be greatly appreciated. Not giving up yet! :) Arvin ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Little Known Facts About Edison :)
Abe, I've read DOZENS of biographies of Edison, and none of them said he was anti-Semitic. Some of them specifically said he was not anti-Semitic. Just because he knew Ford doesn't mean he agreed with him. Also, I don't recall any biographies saying Edison paid low wages or that employees didn't like him. Actually, it was quite the opposite, since my impression was that most loved The Old Man. I believe his closest associates (who helped him the most to develop inventions) tended to be rewarded rather well financially through bonuses. You're correct that his taste in music was very old-fashioned, sometimes odd, and not helped by his poor hearing. Jim Nichol On Jan 25, 2013, at 7:01 PM, Abe Feder abefed...@gmail.com wrote: Just make sure that you don't teach them everything about Edison, he was very hard on employees and paid a low working wage and fired most who disagreed with him. He had a strange view-almost myopic view about art, the people that produced it and music. If it didn't fit his view or like he simply dismissed it as inferior. And just like his good friend Henry Ford he was very anti-Semitic. Both men are viewed as great and in many cases they were-both both had some major flaws. Abe Feder On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:53 PM, Melissa Ricci riccib...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello Everybody, As many of you know, I am a middle school music/band teacher and I always run a unit about Edison and the phonograph. We always end the unit by recording on a wax cylinder. For the first time in many years, I am teaching two 6th grade general music classes along with my band classes this year. Today was the first time I approached the topic of Thomas A. Edison. To see where the class was with their present knowledge of Edison, I broke the kids into groups and asked them to write down everything they knew or thought they knew about him. Here is what the majority of the class wrote down: 1. Edison was the 2nd, 3rd or 16th president of the United States. We're not sure which.2. Edison was originally from England.3. Edison's face is on the $20.00 bill.4. Edison was a male.5. Edison probably had a wife and might have had children.6. Edison died a very long, long, long time ago.7. Edison helped to write the constitution.8. Edison had very long, wild hair.9. Edison was very old. One student surprised me by writing that Edison invented the first talking doll. I was amazed so I asked her where she had learned that information. It turns our that it was on a recent episode of a TV show called Oddities. Who says TV can't teach! Obviously, I plan on starting at the very beginning of Edison's life and of course his many inventions of which not even the light bulb was mentioned. If any of you have any words of wisdom or little known/especially interesting facts about Edison, please let me know. I plan on going pretty in depth with these kids so anything I can learn will only help me capture their interest and put these misconceptions to rest once and for all. Thanks!Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Need an auction result from Stanton's November 15th auction
Yep, the Stanton's price list appears to drop all of the letter suffixes. I wish I knew something about this Kruesi tinfoil replica, such as who made it, and how it came to be auctioned off. Jim On Jan 7, 2013, at 11:03 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/6/2013 11:20:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bmkl...@gmail.com writes: Could anyone that attendend the Stanton fall music machine auction tell me what lot 87P sold for? Well at least in the flyer I recieved it shown 87P. It was a reproduction of Edison's first phonograph. I don't know about the P but Lot 87 sold for $1000. Hope That helps! Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Other Interests
I also bought a projector to convert my 8mm movies. But it has a tendency to damage films. Besides, it would be a huge amount of work. And DVD's are considered of date these days. Best way is to have someone who has professional 8mm to MP3 video converter equipment. Yes, you can buy a machine like that for, uh, $15K or something, but is easier to let the professionals do it for you. Have you heard of Peggybank.com? I just sent about 100 8mm films to to Peggybank to have them converted. Check out their website, and read the recent article by Walt Mossberg of the Wall Street Journal on Peggybank. Do a Google search on Peggybank Wall Street Journal. Even better than getting MP3 files videos for your computer (or if you insist, old fashioned DVD's if you pay extra), they give you a free webpage at peggybank.com where they post ALL videos and still pictures that they digitize for you. So instead of emailing my 100 MP3 videos to my relatives, I only have to give them the link to my webpage! I believe friends will also be able to download the videos, in addition to watching them, but I'm not sure (mine aren't ready yet). Jim Nichol Sent from my iPad 3 On Nov 12, 2012, at 2:14 PM, John Selph jse...@cox.net wrote: I know this is a long shot, but does anyone on this forum have interests in 8mm/Super8 film and projectors? I recently acquired a Bell and Howell 10ms to transfer my old home movies to DVD and found that the supply spindle on the projector is broken. Just wondering if anyone may have one lying around that they want to part out. Thanks, John Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx - ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] A tale of woe...
You need a powerful magnet to get it out of the crack. Jim Nichol On Sep 19, 2012, at 11:03 AM, David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com wrote: It was like a scene from an old movie. I was installing a combo attachment on my Edison Standard and had every in just about the right position. I slightly rotated the mandrel to make sure it still moved smoothly, and the tiny headless set screw in the double-gear piece from the combo kit fell out. I guess I had backed it out a bit too much while working. There I was in one of those sudden slow motion scenes watching in horror as the screw slowly fell and bounced on the case, the workbench, the chair, my foot and the floor while I flailed around trying to stop it's merciless descent into the one crack in the cement floor under the workbench while simultaneously contributing the classic drawn-out dialog line: Oooohhh No So, can anyone help locate that screw? I'd go for that double-gear piece with the screw in it, if need be. I'd get 2 to have a backup (yes, I know I'm sometimes klutsy). Thanks for hearing my tale of woe. David David Barnett da...@fairlibertyscall.com C: 516-398-8668 www.FairLibertysCall.com 3 Ike Place Woodmere, NY 11598 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Standard Reproducer Ciips to Holding Screw
I don't know who controls research access to West Orange. But Jerry Fabris is either on Phono-L or Phonolist (or both?), and he could probably find out the procedure, since he works there. I think Jerry's job at the Edison site is similar to the retired Leah But's, whose copy of Al Sefl's book is being sold. I assume the Edison site is careful about researchers these days, since Dr. Phillip Peterson stole so much documentation some years ago. Jim On Sep 1, 2012, at 1:56 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: Jim, Does Jerry control who gets in? Steve From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2012 04:32:34 -0400 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Standard Reproducer Ciips to Holding Screw Al, surely as the author of the book being sold from Leah Burt's collection, you are famous enough for Jerry Fabris to get you in. Every phonograph collector in the world knows who you are. Jim Nichol On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: How I would love to have research privileges at the Site... Oh well, these esoteric questions may be answered by some future scholar. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Standard Reproducer Ciips to Holding Screw
Al, surely as the author of the book being sold from Leah Burt's collection, you are famous enough for Jerry Fabris to get you in. Every phonograph collector in the world knows who you are. Jim Nichol On Aug 31, 2012, at 4:14 AM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: How I would love to have research privileges at the Site... Oh well, these esoteric questions may be answered by some future scholar. Regards, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] World War I Victrola ad
Here it is: http://books.google.com/books?id=FCkDMBAJpg=PT1lpg=PT1dq=victrola+ad+cheering+our+boys+in+francesource=blots=ot5Yyjyp9Ysig=RIwxyt0gNqqIWx3Q6YAsLxinlzkhl=ensa=Xei=hK8tUKafGcOoyAGC34CICAved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false To get ride of the yellow highlighting in the ad, click on Clear Search at the upper right of the web page. Jim Nichol On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:19 PM, richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote: http://books.google.com/books?id=AsQxAQAAMAAJpg=PA650lpg=PA650dq=victrola+ad+cheering+our+boys+in+francesource=blots=qaeN2nTlx4sig=WxdmUg4jhPAHLWKBJdwlHnagQAAhl=ensa=Xei=z6MtUMLwDI6r0AGyvYGIBAved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepageq=victrola%20ad%20cheering%20our%20boys%20in%20francef=false ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Yellow Highlighting (was World War I Victrola ad)
By the way, I wonder why Victor thought that our troops in the trenches wanted to listen to Caruso, Heifetz, Paderewski, etc. I'm sure that kind of music wouldn't be any more popular then than today with our troops. Jim Nichol On Aug 17, 2012, at 12:43 AM, Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com wrote: Jim, Your tip about clearing the search was great!!! I have often wondered how to get rid of the yellow highlighting on these seaches. So a BIG thanks!!! Dennis --- On Thu, 8/16/12, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net Subject: Re: [Phono-L] World War I Victrola ad To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thursday, August 16, 2012, 10:47 PM Oh, never mind about the yellow highlighting. It does not appear if you use my link below. Jim On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:45 PM, Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net wrote: Here it is: http://books.google.com/books?id=FCkDMBAJpg=PT1lpg=PT1dq=victrola+ad+cheering+our+boys+in+francesource=blots=ot5Yyjyp9Ysig=RIwxyt0gNqqIWx3Q6YAsLxinlzkhl=ensa=Xei=hK8tUKafGcOoyAGC34CICAved=0CEoQ6AEwBA#v=onepageqf=false To get ride of the yellow highlighting in the ad, click on Clear Search at the upper right of the web page. Jim Nichol On Aug 16, 2012, at 10:19 PM, richard_ru...@hotmail.com wrote: http://books.google.com/books?id=AsQxAQAAMAAJpg=PA650lpg=PA650dq=victrola+ad+cheering+our+boys+in+francesource=blots=qaeN2nTlx4sig=WxdmUg4jhPAHLWKBJdwlHnagQAAhl=ensa=Xei=z6MtUMLwDI6r0AGyvYGIBAved=0CDwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepageq=victrola%20ad%20cheering%20our%20boys%20in%20francef=false ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] an interesting price for al self
I wonder if Al Sefl still has copies for sale? I've still got mine. Jim Nichol On Aug 12, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Edison-Cylinder-Phonographs-George-Frow-1978-numbered-05-first-edition-/150874254099 I did not know they were numbered until I saw this auction. No bidders yet. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] an interesting price for al self
Oh! That is Leah Burt's copy. I hope this doesn't mean she has passed away! Jim Nichol On Aug 12, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com wrote: http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Edison-Cylinder-Phonographs-George-Frow-1978-numbered-05-first-edition-/150874254099 I did not know they were numbered until I saw this auction. No bidders yet. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire
How can the answer to question 7 be NO? It's a multiple choice question. Jim Nichol On Aug 6, 2012, at 8:28 AM, George victr...@triton.net wrote: See below for info on my Triumph B. Thank you, George Vollema Great Lakes Antique Phonograph 5092 Muskego Dr. Newaygo MI 49337-8556 231-652-5753 victr...@triton.net www.victroladoctor.com - Original Message - From: George Paul To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 6:49 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Edison Spring Motor/Triumph Questionnaire If you own an Edison Spring Motor or Triumph, I'd very much appreciate your help. Below is a brief questionnaire. Please send your answers to me either by posting them here, or via email to gpaul2000 (at) aol (dot) com. If you'd like to be acknowledged in a future publication for your help, please include your name. If you'd prefer anonymity, please let me know. In either event, I'd very much appreciate any assistance you'd be willing to give. Finally, if you know or suspect that a particular machine has been assembled from different machines, or had certain parts replaced (such as the carriage), please note that as well. Thanks to all in advance, George P. Edison SpringMotor/Triumph Questionnaire 1) Serial number (found on top): #46081 2) Is serial number stamped in a plate, or a raised boss? ID plate 3) If stamped in a plate, what’s the last patent date? Nov 17 '03 4) Does straight edge (where front of reproducer carriagerides) have 2 screws? NO 5) Does the upper casting have lugs for Class M pulleywheels? NO 6) Which secures the endgate; a ball catch, or a lockinglug? Ball catch 7) Does carriage hold the reproducer with nickeled clips, ora single screw at 2:00 position? NO 8) Motor number (found stamped on front of motor frame): #31892 9) Are the motor gears solid or spoked? Solid 10) If there’s a plate below the mandrel, what exactly doesit say? None 11) Which does the cabinet have; a drawer, a banner decal,or an “Edison” script decal? Script decal 12) Are there any dated material with it? Invoices? Packing slips? Writing inside the lid? None Thanks for your help! George Paul ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Info on an Edison DD W-250 needed
The W-250 is a William and Mary. I would be astonished if that is not in the Diamond Disc book. What do you mean by reader? Jim On Jul 30, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Bob Maffit maff...@bresnan.net wrote: Phono listers: I am trying to find info about an Edison DD player: W-250 Earlier this week I was asked by a friend antique shop owner about a phonograph he recently acquired and I agreed to help him by way of copying the pages from my Frow DD book. . I can't seem to find it in Frows book as my reader isn't finding a glossary. Any info on this machine and or what pages can it be found in Frow's book would be a great help. Later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] 25 Cylinder Blanks for Sale
I was confused, too. Blanks are wax. Pegs are wood. I'd almost be willing to risk $75 for 25 blanks! Jim On Jun 19, 2012, at 9:55 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I'm confused. Are these wax blanks or wooden pegs? Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Shawn O'Rourke Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2012 8:22 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] 25 Cylinder Blanks for Sale I have 25 Concert Cylinder blanks for an early concert cylinder cabinet. I say blanks as 18 of these are of recent manufacture and would need some minor additional shaping/ smoothing to be complete. There are 7 that look very old and appear to be from an original cabinet. They appear to be ready to use. I believe I've priced these very conservatively. The blanks are of a solid stock of hardwood. I don't think you would even be able to buy the wood stock to make these 19 for what I've priced them. If you need to complete a concert cylinder cabinet, these would put you way ahead of the game! Price is $75.00, plus actual shipping only. If you have interest, drop me a line at mshawnorou...@gmail.com Michael Shawn O'Rourke 248 915 0954 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 9, Issue 147
I finally had a chance to see the Edison Chippendale Diamond Disk on the American Restoration show today. I can't really complain about it. The wood looked awful, and the veneer on top was coming off. They brought in a wood guy who replaced the top veneer and refinished the rest. It looked pretty good on the 13-inch TV I was watching it on. It was a little surprising that they gold plated the turntable and reproducer, but it did look nice. And yes, there was a dark or black turntable felt used (although it was missing in one shot where they were showing off the gold plating). They used solvent and a brush to clean the underneath works. Don't know if any spring or reproducer work was done, but chances are it didn't need much work there. So over all, it made the machine look nice. And besides, it's a Chippendale, so not a rare machine. But Gayle, your message probably contains the only two 4-letter words in the history of this forum! Jim Nichol On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:38 PM, GAYLE VOISINE, BECKY VOISINE wrote: In response to a lot of you dought sayers on the restoration of the diamond disc phono. I think , for one it is beter to restore than to junk! I like that they replaced the veneer, rather than try to patch the existing ,and look like Shit , like a lot of restorations look like. I fix and restore a lot of radios , phonographs and some juke boxes for myself and freinds, and I don't do shitty work. I won't do anything that I wouldn't want for myself, as far as finished quality. I get some terrible stuff from supposedly restorers who are on registered websites , that I would be ashamed to ask money for.You people need to get a life and not criticise people who are trying to keep something going on for others to enjoy instead of destroy , or tear apart and sell in pieces rather than sell as good working machine. I realize that there are alot of machines that are good for nothing but parts. I believe that we should try to keep thees machines going for eterninty, but they should work and look good not beat up and cobbled up! Stop being like a bunch of old women at a quilting bee, bitching about old men! Thank you! Mr. Voisine. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Why I never made it to Union
After that ordeal, I think missing the show would be my last concern. When my brother's appendix ruptured, the nurse said how difficult it is to clean up the resulting mess. She also mentioned that he probably would not have survived if antibiotics had not been invented! Besides, you can honestly say that your drove to the Union show, and I'm sure that all the members of the club would be happy to give you credit for being there. (I've only missed one Union show since they started in the 1970's). Jim Nichol On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:23 PM, Stan Stanford wrote: Tim, I'm glad you are getting better and wish you the best in recovery. So sorry you missed the Union show. Stan Stanford Oregon Territory -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tim McCormick Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:30 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Why I never made it to Union Folks, After weeks of preparation, time and expense I drove 4 ½ hours to Elgin, IL and checked into the Hampton Inn on Thursday evening. I was looking forward to spending Friday, Saturday and Sunday with friends at the world’s largest antique phonograph show hosted at Donley’s Wild West Town in Union, IL. This was my best and last face-to-face opportunity to convince other talented individuals to replace me as President of the International Antique Phonograph Society and as Editor of our magazine In The Groove. About mid-way during my drive, I started feeling a little feverish and my stomach developed an ache, not really a pain. I was blaming it on a possible bad raison from the Trail Mix dried fruit I enjoyed the night before. I checked into the Elgin, IL Hampton Inn, and carried in my suitcase and some of the equipment I brought along for the Phonovention presentations. I started feeling worse, so I called it a night and went to bed at 8:00 p.m. At 9:30 or so, I knew there was something a dose of Pepto-Bismol just would not cure. I got up and dressed, but I could not stand up straight. As I walked the hallway from my hotel room to the front desk to ask for directions to the nearest hospital, knowing full well that I’d never be able to drive there myself, I was met by a small group of fellow antique phonograph collectors who were headed to their rooms, and one person who was at that time a complete stranger to me, Bob Barnett, offered to drive me in his car to the hospital emergency room. He offered to stay with me until I was either dismissed or admitted - this was at 10:00 at night. I gave Bob, my new found friend, the keys to my truck and asked him to give them to the Hampton Inn’s front desk. I had to make some quick arrangements with HAPS President, Rich Buck, to empty my truck of all of the items I had prepared and brought with me for our trade show booth so it could be set up and ready for the event at 8:00 a.m. the following morning. Rich, John Hauger, Joan Rolfs and I am sure many others pitched in and completed what needed to be done in my absence. The CAT scan and blood tests proved that it was a ruptured, gangrenous appendix. I had the emergency surgery at 9:00 Friday morning as Union was getting underway. I was released from Sherman Hospital late Monday afternoon. To put it mildly, I was very disappointed to miss Union and Phonovention 2012. Rich Buck dropped by the hospital with a card prepared by Joan Rolfs and signed by several attendees and friends. He informed me that Phonovention was very successful and that Patrick Feaster’s presentation room was packed to capacity. Now that I am home, I am receiving cards in the mail and E-Mails from well-wishers with questions on what occurred, so I thought it best to let everyone know I am doing great and getting ready to start compiling the August / September Issue of In The Groove. Convalescingly Yours, Tim McCormick International / Michigan Antique Phonograph Society ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Uh oh... more uses for phono horns
$115 is the shipping. The horn lamp is $498! Jim On May 20, 2012, at 9:35 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: Looks like it could be pretty reversible. $115 gets you the unit and then you can throw the lighting parts away. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Merle Sprinzen Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:20 AM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: [Phono-L] Uh oh... more uses for phono horns I just hope people don't get more ideas like this for rare horns... http://www.etsy.com/listing/92924819 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ron Dethlefson receives ARSC Lifetime Achievement Award
Congratulations, Ron. Your books are a very important part of the phono hobby!. Jim On May 21, 2012, at 12:04 AM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: The Award was announced at the ARSAC Conference Banquet in Rochester last night. The Distinguished Service Award went to Richard Weise of Bear Family Records. Ron didn't make the conference. David Gionanonni read Ron's remarks. Congrats to Ron. Next Year's ARSC Conferenmce is May 18-21 in Kansas City,. Mark your Calendars! This years conference was great! Steve Ramm ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Tin-foil replica questions
What did you mean about the blueprints in the book having a slightly later date? The dates are a little hard to read, but they are: 2/19/30 1/18/29 2/28/30 1/24/30 It is a little unfortunate that they had to be shrunk to fit the book. The set I bought were at least twice that big. I haven't found my copy yet, but they would have to be the same as the dates above. I was wrong in my earlier comments about some of Rene's tinfoil going to the Smithsonian. I see in a 2006 email from Rene to Phonolist that he had 500 pounds of tinfoil produced several years earlier of which was split between the Ford Museum, the Edison National Historic site, and about 50 collectors. He was getting ready to make more in 2006. Jim Nichol On May 17, 2012, at 10:45 AM, Andrew Baron wrote: Many thanks, Jim, for your detailed answer. I have, and love Rene's book. It's been a while since I've paged through it so didn't recall the information on the replicas being there (or got so caught up on the history of the originals that the replica section didn't stay in mind . I probably last read the book through in 2002. Though I'm in New Mexico and the Pavek Museum of Broadcasting is in Minnesota, I hope to visit there again before too long and it would be nice to operate their replica with Curator Steve Raymer. They do a lot of educational outreach and have lots of school groups that come through, and a demonstration of their tin foil machine could be a great part of that program. The park ranger at the ENHS who was present when I tried the Kruesi replica in their demonstration room was very surprised that I was able to get such a loud, articulate result. He hadn't heard that replica perform so well, even though most visitors shouted into it louder. I can only imagine that most operators either engaged the recording stylus too lightly (so the recorded indentations are very shallow) or too deep (so the recording diaphragm excursion is limited by the stylus bottoming the foil into the groove on the drum), OR, they set the playback stylus too shallow (so only a fraction of the total depth of the undulations engage the playback diaphragm), or too deep (thus flattening the delicate, recorded foil undulations to the bottom of the drum groove), or some combination of these less than optimal settings. To say nothing of speed and steadiness, so the styli remain in maximum compliance with the foil at all times. I'm just noticing the plans for the Kreusi replica now, near the back of Rene's book, which appear to be related to the Edison's staff blueprints that you mentioned, although with a slightly later date. I'm hoping to create an opportunity to fabricate a fairly faithful example of this machine in the not too distant future. I had the Gillette plans in another book but hadn't realized that I had these too, in Rene's book. So thank you very much for bringing my attention 'round to this volume! Andrew Baron Santa Fe On May 17, 2012, at 1:34 AM, Jim Nichol wrote: The foremost authority in the world on tinfoil phonos is Rene Rondeau. Also, I think Rene is the only person who has arranged for any tinfoil to be made in the last 60 years or so. I know he's arranged at least 2 production runs at great expense. I believe the majority of it went to the Henry Ford Museum and the Smithsonian for their tinfoil demos. The rest was made available to collectors, and may still be available. I bought some in both rolls and cut sheets. Rene wrote the authoritative book on the subject called Tinfoil Phonographs in 2001. I can't imagine any phono collector not buying a copy, so you will probably want to buy one from Rene. It also mentions some of the replica makers. Edison's staff made blueprints of the Kruesi in 1928-1930. When I visited the West Orange Lab in about 1967, their gift shop sold me a bound copy of the blueprints, with a color picture of the Kruesi original on the cover. Most or all of the replicas would have been based on these prints (including the extra holes in the base). Rene says the Ptacek and Stehlik replicas are even more accurate than the blueprints, base on study of the original machine. My replica Kruesi tinfoil phono was made by Elmer Jones. His name is cast into the cast iron base (on the bottom). Rene's book said the Elmer produced about 15 replicas in the 1960's, but I bought mine from Elmer at Union for $500 (I think around 1980). Elmer told me he planned a run of about 10 Kruesi machines, but he didn't say if mine was the first of 10. I think it was. I was astounded that that machine was for sale all day Saturday, and no one bought it until I did in mid-afternoon! Bill Ptacek made 25 replicas, and Mirek Stehlik made 30, according to the book. Bill's are marked WCP with a date on the bottom, and Mirek's are unmarked, but have a serial number stamped on the end of the main shaft
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia type Q base Reproducer
Aaron Cramer made the Sears repro bases for the Q. But Aaron died in an automobile accident in 2006. Try eBay? Jim Nichol On May 17, 2012, at 9:25 PM, Ron L'Herault wrote: I think there is a reproducer on E-bay that would fit on a Q. They took #3s or 7s. I was looking at some yesterday or the day before but don't remember what size it was. They will sound better with the larger diaphragm reproducers, of course. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Melissa Ricci Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 8:58 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Columbia type Q base Reproducer We just purchased a Columbia Type Q Phonograph. It is missing the base and reproducer. It is our first Columbia so we know very little about these machines but are under the impression someone is making reproductions of the Sears Roebuck fancy base. Does anyone know if this is true? Also looking for an original reproducer for the machine. Please let us know if you have any leads for either or both parts.Thanks!Nick Melissa ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Updates.
I get tired just THINKING about how much work goes into making cylinders. Jim On Apr 26, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: My new blank molds should be finished by the end of next week, so I will have examples for sale at Union this year. I am very excited, Because of constructive feedback, from you all I have been tackling the diffficluties one by one. The new blanks have an outside diamiter of almost 2.3 I know it sounds like a lot of waste wax, but this will ensure that the surface is absolutely free from any defects, and perfectly quiet and also will have a double helix spiral like the original Edison blanks. I think that output will be incereased as well as quality. I have been busy with this, so things have been slow, I hope you all appreciate the work I have done on these. Most have no idea how much goes into this. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Automaton at the Franklin Instutute - The DRAWING!
Andy, why not ask Steve to post your drawing along with his? Also, is your drawing similar to the one on this page? http://www.fi.edu/learn/sci-tech/automaton/automaton.php?cts=instrumentation Jim Nichol On Apr 22, 2012, at 5:13 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Hi Steve and anyone who may be interested in seeing a current example of the automaton's Chinese Temple. I've given up for the time being, trying to do this on line. I would be happy to send an email privately to anyone who would like to see what this same drawing looks like today. Steve, I'll email a jpeg of it to you momentarily. Thanks again for posting the image. Andy On Apr 22, 2012, at 1:59 PM, srsel...@aol.com wrote: Okay folks I dug out my scrapbook and made three scans. The Front and back of the drawing that Automaton made plus a copy of the floorplan of the FI (I had it with the drawing). Per the page on my scrapbook it was during my visit between December 27th and 31st, 1959 My memory is pretty strong and I remember it being located on the Ground Floor outside the Lunchroom. BTW, note that also on that flor was the ORIGINAL Univac Computer which was created at the Univ. of PA. Bigger than your PC or Ipad of course. Here is link to the scans. _http://tinyurl.com/83rb7fj_ (http://tinyurl.com/83rb7fj) Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] The Automaton at the Franklin Instutute - The DRAWING!
Excellent job, Curt! Jim On Apr 22, 2012, at 6:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: If you would like to see all of the drawings and poems that this automaton does, along with pictures and a video of the automaton, check our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.com click the link on the second page for new items of interest and on page 3 click the picture of the automaton... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] OT: new Hugo automaton website
I had no idea how complex your repair work was! I hate to think what would have happened if they hadn't found you to do the work! I can also imagine how stunned the Franklin Institute must have been when you told them that you could fix both their automaton AND their Theremin!!! Those are two entirely different skills. Jim Nichol On Apr 20, 2012, at 3:07 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: For my friends on Phono-L who love antique mechanical things, and the stories behind them: http://www.popyrus.com/hugo/index.html Best, Andrew Baron Santa Fe ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question
Why not use Gregg Cline decals for the Standard B stripes, etc.? http://phonodecal.com Jim Nichol On Apr 20, 2012, at 12:31 PM, Randy Larson wrote: I'm also asking for help on stripe-ing, not stripping, I've tried pin strips from cars (too wide), tried hand painting with masking tape (paint bleeds under masking tape, looks bad) and free hand (worse yet, too many cups of coffee). Ron Sitco mentioned a roller device, checked that out, it starts at $100.00 (too much for the budget at the moment.. but will check it out if anyone else has tried it and it worked. Thanks. Randy Larson On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: No, it is relatively thin and you bake it to set it. May take several dips to get it all thick enough to fill the craters in the casting not filled by the initial filling with plaster. Was sanded between coats if required. Final coat of asphaltum is then coated with shellac and then stripes applied followed by final coat. Seed lac was the specific type of shellac used. On 04/20/2012 09:04 AM, Steven Medved wrote: Asphaltum is thick and self leveling and takes a long time to dry? From: appywan...@hotmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 22:12:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question You can strip a bedplate by soaking in a solution of Red Devil lye. Be advised that the black bedplates are coated with asphaltum -- not paint. Colored bedplates are coated with tinted shellac -- not paint. From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 21:25:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question In my opinion do not strip unless you have to, use the old paint as a primer. You will be amazed at the casting defects in the bedplates. Steve From: a...@popyrus.com Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 19:07:57 -0600 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] stripping Edison bed-plates question I'd like a refresher on that too. Just got in a lowly model B Standard, that's a good machine with a nice cabinet, nickel parts and combination attachment, but some blankety-blank polished all the stripes and umbrella signature off of it. Andy On Apr 19, 2012, at 6:48 PM, Bob Maffit wrote: Phono list: Previously I read a discussion on stripping the Edison bed-plates. the posting described what chemical and how to use it as well as the safety considerations. I can't find my saved copy, could someone resend or provide the information again? later Bob ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AMAZING COLLECTION!!!
For those of you who couldn't get the weblink to work, I fixed it below, though you'll have to follow the instructions in the original message to find the video (It's very well hidden).. http:www.carolinaphonosociety.com Here's the much simpler direct link: http://www.wix.com/open1234/camps-site#!__leroy-plyler The first half of the 30 minute video is still pictures. The 2nd half is real video. I especially like the video of the Encore Banjo and Violano Virtuoso machines playing. Jim Nichol On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Last month we had the privilege of holding our quarterly meeting at the home of one of our members, Leroy Plyler. Needless to say, we had a wonderful time, especially when we discovered that his collection of high end mechanical music machines would rival most high end collections in the US. For example, how many people have a Multiphone, two Hexaphones, numerous Regina machines including a 27 changer along with Reginaphones, a Paillard music box, many coin-op phonographs and music boxes, an orchestrion, player grand piano, a coin-op banjo machine, a Mills Violano Virtuoso and on and on... I have posted a video which attempts to show his extensive collection as well as I possibly could. You can view it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.comOn the second page, click the link for new items/videos, then on the third page click the link for the Leroy Plyler Collection. Hope you enjoy it... any feedback would be appreciated. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] AMAZING COLLECTION!!!
Second attempt to fix original link below. http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com But again, the direct link to the video is at: http://www.wix.com/open1234/camps-site#!__leroy-plyler Jim On Apr 17, 2012, at 1:54 AM, Jim Nichol wrote: For those of you who couldn't get the weblink to work, I fixed it below, though you'll have to follow the instructions in the original message to find the video (It's very well hidden).. http://www.carolinaphonosociety.com Here's the much simpler direct link: http://www.wix.com/open1234/camps-site#!__leroy-plyler The first half of the 30 minute video is still pictures. The 2nd half is real video. I especially like the video of the Encore Banjo and Violano Virtuoso machines playing. Jim Nichol On Apr 17, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Last month we had the privilege of holding our quarterly meeting at the home of one of our members, Leroy Plyler. Needless to say, we had a wonderful time, especially when we discovered that his collection of high end mechanical music machines would rival most high end collections in the US. For example, how many people have a Multiphone, two Hexaphones, numerous Regina machines including a 27 changer along with Reginaphones, a Paillard music box, many coin-op phonographs and music boxes, an orchestrion, player grand piano, a coin-op banjo machine, a Mills Violano Virtuoso and on and on... I have posted a video which attempts to show his extensive collection as well as I possibly could. You can view it on our website: www.carolinaphonosociety.comOn the second page, click the link for new items/videos, then on the third page click the link for the Leroy Plyler Collection. Hope you enjoy it... any feedback would be appreciated. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone
Thanks, John. I voted for your crapophone review as helpful. I was not even aware that eBay had a Reviews section. Good work! Come to think of it, I don't think you used the word crapophone in your review. Haha! Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 9:24 AM, john robles wrote: Hi Jim Here it is. It is a general primer for those on wBay who are interested in phonographs, so it is a little basic, but it contains info about watching out for Crapophones including the typical ways to tell what is real and what is not. Here is the link to the article. http://reviews.ebay.com/Antique-Phonographs-Gramophones-and-Victrolas?ugid=102813578 John From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 11:51 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone What's the URL link to your article? Jim Nichol On Mar 20, 2012, at 1:46 AM, john robles wrote: Someone urgently wrote me asking if this was a repro machine - turns out she was the high bidder on it. She had read my article on eBay about repro phonographs and took note of what iI said about the decal and was afraid it might be a repro. Based on that article and my response to her email, she canceled her transaction with the seller, and the seller will relist it. I feel proud of having saved someone from the pitfall of buying a Crapophone, but I hope the seller will relist it as a repro. I did write to the seller and advise them of the fact, in a very polite manner, making the assumption that they did not know about it. John Robles From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Stuck with a Crapophone Looks like someone got stuck with a crapophone on ebay for $910!!! The item number is 260977570310. The auction description says that the seller bought it at an auction to use on a built in bookcase, but it didn't fit so now they're selling it at a fraction of what they paid...Nowhere does it say that it is a repro, but the standard I don't know anything about these machines disclaimer appears. I find it doubtful because they call the machine a Victor Gramphone, not a phonograph or Victrola asothers so commonly do. Of corse the decal says The Gramophone Company, so that's a good possibility...Someone asked a question about the date of the machin, and the seller says that someone full of knowledge said that these machines had been made for at least 30 years, so maybe that's the disclaimer that it is not a real antique, but if so it is a shady one. And of course they may not know what it is like they claim, but who buys something to put in a certain place in their home without measuring first? Plus the description is typical of other items I have seen on ebay that are of questionable origin. Or the seller could be totally innocent! John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
You often see auctions with only one bidder, who is bidding against himself. In reality, he is bidding against the reserve price, since he doesn't know its amount. Jim On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] (no subject)
I seriously doubt that he posted that intentionally. One of the spammers must have grabbed his email address book, or taken over his computer. Jim On Feb 27, 2012, at 6:34 PM, jerry f bacon wrote: How Dare you put something like that on this list, I hope it does not give me a virus or something.I had to hit cancel or delete about ten times before I got away from it. Jerry F Bacon-Dallas,Tx ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
That sounds like a brilliant guy. I was just in a course about electrical safety last week. The voltage that kills the most people is 120 VAC. Jim On Feb 23, 2012, at 4:44 AM, DanKj wrote: This discussion reminded me of a situation here, a few years back: The power company replaced the wires from my house to the pole, and a few months later, I happened to touch the metal pipe through which the wires ran to my meter in the cellar. ZAP! The pipe had never been attached to the meter box or my fuse/breaker box, both of which were grounded (after I grounded them - NOTHING was grounded when I moved in here!) ... Anyway, I called the company to have the thing repaired, as it was obvious that the live conductor was touching the pipe at the top. They sent Vern Ernest, I swear. Even after I demonstrated the problem by lighting-up a 100W bulb between the pipe and a ground, one of the guys grabbed both pieces of metal ZAPPED himself for proof! Oh yeah, that's live. I guess he was accustomed to 120volts AC! - Original Message - From: Barry Kasindorf ba...@barrykasindorf.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? Very true. The question was SAFETY. I hate having 3 wire plugs on antique electronics. You can easily put a polarized plug on a piece of zipcord and get the ends right and be safe as well. I like the idea of making something SAFE without changing the item at all. -Barry On 2/17/2012 12:25 PM, Bruce wrote: Barry, the shock hazard model during HiPot testing development assumes all external metallic surfaces on a product are always at the same potential. That is why we are only required to test against the product ground through an alligator clamp to the chassis or through the ground terminal of the 3 wire AC input. The shock hazard model we care about is a ground path through the body past the heart. You could be standing on a concrete floor barefoot or touching a cold water pipe with your other arm. I submit to you that I could connect any ungrounded electrical device through my isolation transformer, float it up to 1500VAC (the isolation voltage of my isolation transformer) and invite you to touch it and depending on your resistance to ground, you will definitely feel it. It will not be much current, and it may not kill you but it will wake you up faster than a few cups of coffee. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_?
The NEC (National Electric Code) doesn't normally allow soldering for power connections. My guess is that they are concerned that a high current fault (short) could melt the solder. Jim Nichol On Feb 16, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Philip Carli wrote: Would soldering the green wire to the case do as well as a screw? I believe the case is pot metal and tapping it for a screw might shatter the whole thing. Philip Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Greg Bogantz [gbogan...@charter.net] Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 8:27 PM To: Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I believe the Motrola has a metal case. The danger can occur if there is electrical leakage from the internal wiring to the case and its attached metal parts which can occur due to carbonized insulation that can begin to develop a lower resistance. I would recommend first testing with an ohmmeter to determine if there is already leakage from either of the wires leading from the motor to the case. An ohmmeter reading should indicate a very high or infinite resistance from either wire to the case when things are correct. If you measure any significantly lower resistance, the internal wiring will need to be redone or repaired. If there is good isolation from the motor wires to the case, I would recommend replacing the line cord with a modern three-wire cord with a 3-terminal AC plug. Connect the black and white wires to the motor circuit as was done in the original 2-wire cord. Then connect the green wire to a screw on the metal case. This will privide a grounding connection from the case to your household earthing system. If electrical leakage should develop in the future, it will be routed thru the green wire to your household ground system (assuming you plug the cord into a modern 3-wire outlet). In the worst case, it will blow a fuse or circuit breaker rather than leaving the system a shock hazard. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: [Phono-L] Does anyone know how to make a Jones Motrola _safe_? I have a Jones Motrola I'm trying to rewire, but I read that they can be dangerous in their original ungrounded state? Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Philip Carli This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org This email message and any attachments may contain confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you are prohibited from using the information in any way, including but not limited to disclosure of, copying, forwarding or acting in reliance on the contents. If you have received this email by error, please immediately notify me by return email and delete it from your email system. Thank you. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday!
That looks like a great party. The Pathe Actuelle can play Diamond Discs? Also, I didn't remember that Edison radios could play Diamond Discs. That must be cool. Jim Nichol On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:51 PM, Nancy/Jeff Cecil wrote: Jim Cartwright of Immortal Performances, Inc. in Austin , Texas hosted a small gathering of antique phonograph enthusiasts on Saturday, the 11th of February 2012 to commemorate the 165th Birthday of Thomas Alva Edison, inventor of the phonograph. Attending were MAPS Members Jim Cartwright, Mark Bykoski, Jeff Cecil his wife Nancy as well as Immortal Performances employee John Cox. After eating Mexican food, we gathered at the “Phonograph Gallery,” part of the addition under construction to Jim’s home, still a work in progress as evidenced by the boxes stacked on the staircase, listened to diamond discs played using the turntable, tonearm pickup designed by Theodor Edison of an Edison Model C-2 Radio-Phonograph Combination (whose chassis loudspeaker are at a repair shop) connected to the phono jack of an Edison Model R-2 Radio (which has the same chassis loudspeaker as the C-2) which provided an astounding quality quantity of sound for circa 1928 audio equipment. Here is the diamond disc play list, all contemporaneous with the Model C-2 Radio-Phonograph Combination: Saying that no birthday celebration should be without cake, Nancy brought delicious homemade cinnamon cupcakes which were greatly enjoyed. We also played one electrically recorded Blue Amberol cylinder on the Opera compared the sound of diamond discs played acoustically on a SI-19 (Sheraton Inlay) with Edisonic reproducer on a Pathe Gothic Art Model Actuelle, neither of which came close to the sound of the Edison electronics! The evening ended with the singing of “Happy Birthday Mr. Edison!” It is a goal to establish an Austin Club...one of these days. Jeff Cecil The playlist for the party: 52530-L Fantasia on Aida – EDISON CONCERT ORCH. Directed by Carlo Peroni 52622-R I Want to Meander in the Meadow – PHIL SPITALNY’S MUSIC (vocal chorus by Paull Sisters) 52472-R The Big Rock Candy Mountain – VERNON DALHART COMPANY 80885-L Quintette in E-flat (Schumann): Part 2, (Second Movement) In modo d’una Marcia – E. ROBERT SCHMITZ PHILHARMONIC STRING QUARTET OF NEW YORK 52215-L Rose Room – PICCADILLY PLAYERS SINGERS 52518-L Ever Since the Movies Learned to Talk – BILLY MURRAY HIS MELODY MEN 82357-R Il Barbiere di Siviglia: largo al factotum – MARIO BASIOLA 52416-R Get Out and Get Under the Moon – GOLDEN GATE ORCHESTRA 52606-R To Be In Love (Especially With You) – GLADYS RICE 52623-R The Stars and Stripes Forever March – THE GOLDMAN BAND directed by Edwin Franco Goldman 52367-L I Love to Dunk a Hunk of Sponge Cake – THE HAPPINESS BOYS (Billy Jones Ernest Hare) 52436-L In the Jailhouse Now – FRANKIE MARVIN AND HIS GUITAR WITH VIOLIN 52513-L Button Up Your Overcoat – GOLDEN GATE ORCHESTRA 52532-R Barnacle Bill the Sailor – FRANK LUTHER AND HIS PARDS 52143-R When Day is Done – THE EDISONIANS Photos of the party. http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/R2front.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/Actuelle.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/C2.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/JeffMarkJim.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/JohnJeffNancy.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/MarkJeffJimJohn.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/MarkNancyJeffJimbesideC2.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/R2back.jpg http://i1269.photobucket.com/albums/jj595/JimCartwright/R2backcloseup.jpg ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Edison's Birthday!
What is everyone doing for Edison's birthday? (Feb. 11, 1847) Jim Nichol ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison's Birthday!
I'm speechless! Almost everything in that video about Edison is wrong! Jim On Feb 11, 2012, at 3:13 PM, Peter Fraser wrote: Suggestion: Why don't we all use the comments function to try to straighten this poor misinformed guy out? http://gizmodo.com/5884270/celebrate-thomas-edisons-165th-birthday-with-a-crash-course-on-his-life -- peter pjfra...@mac.com On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:29 AM, Jim Nichol wrote: What is everyone doing for Edison's birthday? (Feb. 11, 1847) Jim Nichol ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ediphone Repair Manuals on eBay...
Wow Al, those manuals are like gold. Could you email the buyer and offer him directly? One thing I would strongly suggest is that they be scanned instead of photocopied. Xeroxing is old-fashioned now. Ask him if he would be willing to let others view the scans. Or offer to arrange the scanning for him. This is the kind of thing that the Google Books Project loves. Scanned books that are out of copyright. Jim On Feb 11, 2012, at 11:43 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: 290665921104 This was the eBay number. Somebody got a treasure trove of Ediphone repair manuals. Al -Original Message- From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, Feb 11, 2012 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ediphone Repair Manuals on eBay... What is the item number? On 02/11/2012 05:35 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Did anyone on this list win the Edison Business Phonograph manuals that closed n eBay this week? If so, would you consider photocopying them for $100 plus copy fees? If anyone has originals for sale that too would be of interest to me. I can see how the information in these would be helpful in keeping the diphones working properly. Thanks for any help, email me off list if you wish, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Recordings plus Instructions on How to Make Your Own Tinfoil Machine
Can't find it. Jim On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I got some great recordings from Charlie Smith, along with plans from 1878 on how to build your own tinfoil machine. I made a page with his recordings, pics of his tinfoil project and the instructions. Check it out. www.CarolinaPhonoSociety.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] New Recordings plus Instructions on How to Make Your Own Tinfoil Machine
OK, cool. I hadn't seen that Scientific American article before. Jim On Jan 30, 2012, at 11:13 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Go to the site, click ENTER, then you see an Edison sales wagon - Click on Videos and other new items of interest - when you get to the white videos page click on the tinfoil machine... www.CarolinaPhonoSociety.com From: jnic...@fuse.net Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2012 14:58:37 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] New Recordings plus Instructions on How to Make Your Own Tinfoil Machine Can't find it. Jim On Jan 30, 2012, at 2:31 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I got some great recordings from Charlie Smith, along with plans from 1878 on how to build your own tinfoil machine. I made a page with his recordings, pics of his tinfoil project and the instructions. Check it out. www.CarolinaPhonoSociety.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Union phono show this year
Merle, just Google Donley's Wild West Town. Jim Nichol Sent from my iPad 2 On Jan 22, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Merle Sprinzen msprin...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks! On Jan 22, 2012, at 3:50 PM, Darrell Lehman nickja...@gmail.com wrote: Always the second FULL week-end in June = sb 8-9-10 Merle Sprinzen wrote: Anyone know the dates for this year's antique phonograph show in Union, IL? It's always in June, but I don't know the dates. Never too early to start planning! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] OT: clockwork automaton article in NY Times today
Be sure to watch some of the videos of it in operation on Youtube. Jim Nichol On Dec 27, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Greg Bogantz wrote: Congratulations, Andy, on getting this priceless piece of history restored to full functionality. That must have been a privelege as well as great fun to do. What a wonderful challenge in trying to figure out what each piece of the mechanism did. I'm constantly amazed at the delicacy and precision of mechanisms such as watches and timepieces that were made hundreds of years ago. I have often wondered how these precision mechs were even made so many years ago before the availability of modern materials and processes. I'm always fascinated by this stuff. Thanks for the link. Greg Bogantz - Original Message - From: Andrew Baron a...@popyrus.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:00 PM Subject: [Phono-L] OT: clockwork automaton article in NY Times today For those phonograph enthusiasts whose interests extend into other mechanical realms, Today's edition of the New York Times (Science Times section) ran an article about the drawing/writing automaton that restored for Philadelphia's Franklin Institute Science Museum. Here's the link: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/27/science/maillardet-automaton-inspired-martin-scorseses-film-hugo.html?_r=2seid=autosmid=tw-nytimespagewanted=all Best to all, Andrew Baron ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite
Let's see... if you charged each of us downloaders a dollar... Anyway, the Nutcracker songs are really nice! Jim Nichol On Dec 17, 2011, at 4:19 PM, DanKj wrote: I'm pleased to report that this is the most popular thing I've ever posted to the Box site; every few minutes, I get another notice that it has been downloaded! - Original Message - From: Philip Carli philip_ca...@pittsford.monroe.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite Nice to hear your good opinion of the Befer transfers; they're done by my friend Bob Hodge, their chief engineer, who's very particular and works like blazes trueing things up on their Archeophone (as much as the management's time frame and the cylinders themselves will allow him to be - I've worked with him on cylinder projects, and some BA's just won't completely true). He also transfers at 1/2 speed for steadiness, then doubles for finishing. I'll pass along the good word; he's a superb technician with great ears who doesn't receive enough positive feedback, and your thoughts will cheer him considerably. The DD _Nutcracker_ stayed in the catalogue until at least 1926, if not till the end, as they're in the 1925 catalogue; I have a paper label copy of the first disc and a quiet late etched copy of the second. The committee at West Orange which passed on DDs made some strange decisions which affected couplings and completeness (especially later on), but at least Sodero was the only Edison staffer who was given carte blanche as to repertoire selection. (One coupling was undoubtedly done for economic and logistical reasons; Sodero's 1916 ASO Henry VIII Dances by Edward German are given complete, but nos. 1 3, the most heavily orchestrated, are one side, and the lightly scored pastoral no. 2 on the other. ) Sodero was often a brisker conductor than his successor Irwin Schloss, who did the electrical Grieg and most electrical Edison orchestrals. Carlo Peroni also conducted a few electrical DD's, and his are excellent - the other Xmas Edison we play is his 1928 Dream Pant omi me from _Hansel Gretel_ coupled with the Pastoral Symphony from _The Messiah_. I have 4 of the 5 London Edison NMB _Nutcracker_ cylinders myself, and enjoy them as well; in case you're wondering, they're conducted by George W. Byng, the London studio's music director. A very merry Christmas to you! P. Carli From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] on behalf of Dan Kj [ediso...@verizon.net] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2011 3:10 AM To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com; Antique Phonograph List Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Nutcracker Suite I have the 2 Edison discs, but they are rather noisy pressings; it would be nice to find later paper-label pressings - if they were in the catalogue long enough. I recently bought (and overpaid, but I didn't know) an electric Edison of the Peer Gynt Suite, and although 2 discography sources showed it to be similar to the acoustic Edison with 2 parts on each side, it actually has just Morning and Ase's Death played so slowly and lugubriously that they almost fill each side!They did something similar a couple of years earlier, with Victor Herbert's Suite of Serenades - even though all 4 parts would easily fit on 2 Edison sides, only 2 parts were recorded with a lot of wasted blank space. Back to the Nutcracker: 5 decent Edison cylinders from the London branch. Although played by the National Military Band, the harp part was wisely retained in Waltz of the Flowers. My copy of Flowers looks new, but has a waver that makes the harp unpleasant to hear; the Syracuse University Belfer Lab people have overcome most wavering on most of their transfers, so this is quite enjoyable.All in one zipped folder, for your convenience: http://www.box.com/s/xjg5yibnpno8sygv561y Do check the Belfer site - the transfers are excellent, and you are allowed to download all of them. No telling when anything on the Internet might disappear, so save save save. http://library.syr.edu/splash/cylinders/ ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Duke Special session.
So how did your horn get in the video? Jim On Nov 26, 2011, at 4:13 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: Was doing some looking today, to see if any footage was around from recording the Irish pop artist Duke Special, and I found a little clip in the documentary on the making of I never Thought This Day would Come And I thought I would share it with you, look around the 19 second mark, you see my recording horn. http://youtu.be/rgJ7U5bQKtk ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Your Feedback Is Appreciated...
Holy cow! That's one of the coolest websites I've ever seen. It has fabulously beautiful graphics and Carolina-themed music. And it's even got a vintage photo of a nudie girl and her phono! Where did you learn how to create such a nice website? Most of us would have done a dreadful job by comparison. Jim On Oct 11, 2011, at 8:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I have re-done our website and need some constructive feedback from you guys/girls... www.carolinaphonosociety.com Also, if you have any events, pictures of collections, events, etc. - that you would like to have posted on our site, please let me know. Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Columbia Crank
My Columbia BF's handle has a barrel with an OD of 1/2 inch, and the barrel is 2-15/32 inch long to the inside of the handle. Jim On Aug 27, 2011, at 12:06 PM, Brian Walter wrote: Would an owner of a Columbia BF with an original crank please measure the barrel diameter and the length of the barrel from the end to the inside of the handle. I am trying to check on an original offered for sale. Thank you! Brian Walter __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 6415 (20110827) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Whistler Sybil Sanderson Fagan
Andrew, aren't you going to post Bird at the Waterfall on Youtube? There are other songs by her on the Internet, but not that one. Jim Nichol On Jul 31, 2011, at 4:48 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Thanks Loran for your investigative footwork and posting some of your findings. I would love to know more about Sybil Sanderson Fagan as I've been fascinated by her whistling since the early '80s when I got my first record that featured her. Sometimes you find her name spelled as Sibyl. From the moment I first heard Sybil Sanderson Fagan, I couldn't believe my ears. I have a few of her records on different labels, but my first (and I think her most virtuosic performance -- though I haven't heard all her records) was The Bird at the Waterfall on Edison 80629-R. I too was curious about her and like you found almost nothing meaningful on the Internet. Coincidentally I also discovered the studio photo with the W-250 on a more recent attempt to learn more about her, just within the past week. I have an interesting tidbit about her that isn't documented anywhere. About 15 years ago I was attending an SCBWI retreat and I had copies of my Edison phonograph pencil drawing for sale, along with a couple of my pop-up books. A woman attending the event, upon seeing my Edison phonograph poster, surprised me by saying my piano teacher recorded for Edison when she was young. Of course I had to ask who her piano teacher was and she replied Sybil Chapek. I had no idea who Chapek was but came back with I'm aware of an Edison recording artist named Sybil Sanderson Fagan. She was an amazing whistler. My new friend Charleen seemed very surprised and said Yes, that's her!. Came to find out that Sybil was her piano teacher when she was a girl in the 1950s, and Charleen's family were close friends with the Chapeks for many years. Charleen's younger brother took violin lessons from Sybil's husband Joe. Some time later Charleen came up to Santa Fe with some of her family that were visiting over the holidays and I played The Bird at the Waterfall on my A-250, and several other Fagan sides for them on this and other suitable machines. They all seemed to quite enjoy it, and Charleen recalled hearing Sybil's whistling before when she was a girl. She couldn't recall if Sybil played a record for her or actually demonstrated her technique. On that visit I learned among other things that Sybil had enormous callouses on her pinky's. I've been trying to reach her lately to learn more but haven't been able to get through for some time now. Coincidentally, I just tried to contact her by email last week to try to learn exactly some of the information you dug up (dates, places, etc.). So thank you so much for posting what you learned about Sybil. Joe Chapek, when a young man, played in an outfit called the Chicago Businessmen's Orchestra. Joe Chapek's father (also named Joseph, born about 1860) was apparently the leader of a small orchestra in Czechoslovakia. My last communication from Charleen was a package in the mail containing sheet music, with a note that said they had belonged to Sybil. There are about six orchestra scores, the sheet music in each being for a different instrument in the orchestra, with penciled notes, crossed out sections (all pieces of music from the same piece having the same sections X'd out), Sybil's name (sometimes appearing to be her signature and on the back of some pieces of sheet music simply written as Miss Fagan, and other notes like Bird Cadenza, also written in pencil at specific places on the sheet music. To my joy, the first set of sheet music was for Bird at the Waterfall. This could be the original score for the Edison recording. Do you have any idea if she recorded this number on any other label, and is her complete discography available in one place? I've only been able to find bits and pieces on line, and nothing in Rust's Entertainment Discographies. One last thing -- I have scans I made from Charleen's family photo album, and of Jos. H. Chapek's String Quartette (the senior Joe Chapek, in a formal studio photo). From the photo album there was just one photo of Sybil, at her and Joe's residence, taken some time in the 1960s. I also have had for perhaps 25 years the ca. 1916 - 1917 Edison publication Composers and Artists Whose Art is Recreated by Edison's New Art. Sybil appears on the lower left corner of a right page, several pages from the end of the book, along with five other artists including Arthur Fields (Cal Stewart, Lewis James, Fred Van Eps and Walter Van Brunt all appear on the facing page). In the photo, I've always imagined that Sibyl (as it's spelled in this book) looks something like a bird. Any further information on her would be greatly appreciated! Best, Andy Baron Santa Fe, NM On Jul 30, 2011, at 3:01 PM, Loran
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 8, Issue 224
Michigan Antique Phonograph Society. The magazine alone is worth the price of membership. Jim On Jul 21, 2011, at 3:52 PM, ger wrote: I don't belong to MAPS. But it sounds like a good idea. I am in northwest CT, (rural) near MA and NY, but highway 44 passes my street and connects to route 7. When I type in MAPS, I get geography. What does MAPS stand for so I can search for local chapters? Thanks! :) ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] FW: Frozen mandrel bearing
I don't agree that the potmetal probably never will expand. I just took an Edison Standard Model D out of a closet where it sat untouched for several years. The bearing was stuck. It was fine the previous time I used it. Jim On Jul 9, 2011, at 11:26 AM, Rich wrote: If it was not crumbling or expanding by now it probably will not later so I would leave it. The problem is that the term pot metal actually describes nothing. What was the actual formula that was used to cast these bearings? What was the purity of the metals used? The lack of dimensional stability is the result of impunities introduced at manufacturer. The impurity content seems to have been random. On 07/09/2011 09:24 AM, Bill Taney wrote: Is there any reason you would ever leave a potmetal bearing in one of these machines? I have always had it replaced whether it needed it or not figuring that it is easier to do when its not siezed and it is an inevitablity so why not replace it with a brass one... Am I missing something? Sent from my iPhone On Jul 8, 2011, at 11:42 PM, Richrich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: Potmetal continues to grow until it just crumbles. Reaming is a temporary fix. As someone else pointed out the bearing has probably been lubed with 3 in 1 in the red can which is a pure mineral oil with no rust or oxidation inhibitors and just soaking with Kroil will usually get it going again. Not all potmetal of that period is defective. Oxidized 3 in 1 is a powerful adhesive though. On 07/08/2011 08:31 PM, Steven Medved wrote: If I remember correctly the home and triumph pot metal bearings are thick, I would think if the shaft could be removed the bearing could be reamed out to the correct size and it could be used. Has anyone ever tried this? Steve ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
If the Ford Museum had simply said: Edison invented the first practical incandescent light bulb, I would have no problem. But it was the glee a couple of them took in saying: EDISON DID NOT INVENT THE LIGHT BULB that rubbed me the wrong way. Henry Ford would have fired both of them on the spot. Jim ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
I said that Edison invented the light bulb. I don't give credit to his predecessors for inventing the light bulb, because theirs didn't work. The Patent Office requires an invention to be useful before it can be patented. Non-working attempts don't count, and in this case were disallowed by the Patent Office. My main objection is that there seems to be a concerted movement today to trivialize Edison's work on the light bulb. But back in 1879 he was worshiped for it. His competitors didn't have a clue what was required for success. That's the main reason I was upset with the Ford Museum. I'm always worried that kids today aren't being taught about Edison, and if they are, they're told he was given too much credit. I've heard many people say that Edison didn't do ANYTHING worthwhile, or simply took credit for others' work. Jim On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:32 PM, The Farmers wrote: Now you are changing what you are saying. I agree he invented the first practical incandescent bulb, but he did not invent the light bulb as you claimed in the first posting. invent - come up with (an idea, plan, explanation, theory, or principle) after a mental effort - to be the first person to make or use (eg a machine, method etc) Edison did not come up with the idea, nor was he the first to make or use a light bulb. He perfected the light bulb and invented a version that was practical, and that's what the tour guide was explaining. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath I strongly disagree. Yes, Google will tell you that many others worked on the light bulb. But those stories all conclude that none of them were practical. Edison's contribution was not only that he invented the power plant, but more importantly, he invented the first practical incandescent bulb. If that's not inventing it, I don't know how else to define it. Sure, Edison started out doing some of the things his competitors tried, but rejected all of them because they didn't work. Maybe you had to be alive at the time to appreciate what an enormous breakthrough it was when Edison demonstrated his light bulb. No one cared about the others who failed to produce anything useful. (I'm talking about incandescent bulbs here... obviously the arc light was successful in its own field). Jim On Jul 3, 2011, at 7:39 PM, The Farmers wrote: Search Google for who invented the light bulb and you'll see the overwhelming consensus that Edison did not invent it. He improved earlier light bulb inventions and designed power plants to power his light bulb. The most important part of this was that he marketed the entire lighting system, including bulbs, generators, and electrical grids, that municipalities could buy, making it a commercial success. I'm glad to hear the museum has it right. I'd like to point out that a distant relative, Moses G. Farmer, invented an electric light 20 years before Edison, patented it, and in 1858 his house in Salem, Massachusetts was the first in the world lit by electric light. It was not a failure, it actually worked, but it just was not commercially viable. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath Oh, yes. The book is Expiration Date. Other comments about the museum: 1. I was quite unhappy that both a tour guide and a guy playing a young Tom Edison told us that Edison did NOT invent the light bulb, he only perfected it. I couldn't believe they were spreading this garbage to every visitor. Since when does it count when other people try to invent something and fail? I think the US Patent Office agrees with me on the light bulb. It's bad enough that they said that Edison didn't invent the light bulb. But they had to gall to have an actor playing Edison say it out loud. That is an unbelievably inaccurate portrayal of Edison. The actor did get in one jab, however. He pointed out that unlike the others who worked on the light bulb, his actually worked. 2. I'm unhappy that Edison is downplayed compared to how it used to be at the museum. The large phonograph display that was there in the 1970's wasn't there in 2009. The worst thing is that they renamed the complex The Henry Ford instead of using Ford's name for it: The Edison Institute. 3. I am very impressed that they have a Chrysler Turbine car there. As a kid, I saw one of the 50 produced that Chrysler was showing in a local shopping mall. Almost all of them were scrapped on purpose shortly thereafter. I just found out this week that Jay Leno has one (see video on YouTube). 4. I
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip
I agree with the others that 2 days would be enough. I've been there about 8 times since I was a kid. I was there in 2009. Be sure you visit Henry Ford's house, which is near the museum. It has an amazing powerhouse containing turbine generators that are powered from a creek running through his yard. They generated DC power for the house, of course, because he was Edison's friend. They still work, and one was running, though it was only powering a voltmeter or something. In Greenfield village, pay careful attention at Edison's Menlo Park laboratory. Look (of course) for the demonstration of the Edison / Bergmann tinfoil phonograph. They record a man's voice in the morning on a piece of tinfoil, and they play it back all day. I told the woman that Rene Rondeau made the tinfoil that she was using. She said Rene sounded familiar. Then she opened the drawer in the Bergmann Tinfoil, and pulled out Rene's book on tinfoil phonographs!!! Also, look in the other rooms in the Menlo lab and office, because there is a ANOTHER Bergmann tinfoil machine, though it is all rusty. There is a truly amazing machine on the 2nd floor of the Lab. It is a Brady Tinfoil. That is the 2nd Edison machine, which he took to Washington, DC to be photographed at Matthew Brady Studios, and also demonstrated to the President. The Brady machine is obviously TREMENDOUSLY under-appreciated by the museum. It was sitting on a wooden chair off to the side, and I didn't even notice it while I was there. That night at the hotel, I was viewing my photos. I was astounded to see the Brady in one photo. So the next day I paid admission again to Greenfield village, and went to the Lab to see the Brady. I asked a tour guide if I could go past their wooden fence to see that Brady tinfoil. He said The what?. He had no idea what it was, or that it was unbelievably valuable. And to my disbelief, he would not allow me to get close to it to take better pictures. So I had him take a couple pics. Jim Nichol On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote: We will be taking a sort of “Pilgrimage” in our Model A Ford to Dearborn Michigan in August. This will be a sort of crescendo of both of my hobby interests to visit the Ford Museum and also Greenfield Village and the Edison exhibits. In our travels, we will be staying in Ludington, Saginaw, Romulus, and Grand Rapids. My question to anyone on this list from Michigan is “Are there any phonograph related sites to see in these towns?” If we have time, I would like to check them out. If anyone has had the opportunity to visit Greenfield Village, what would you recommend to look for and not miss? We will have about 3 ½ days onsite and don’t want to miss anything. Thanks, Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip
Also, look in the Henry Ford Museum for a test tube containing Edison's Last Breath. There were test tubes in the room when Edison died, and Charles Edison had them sealed with paraffin. He gave this one to Henry Ford, which was discovered at Ford's house after Ford and his wife were dead in the 1950's. I saw this test tube first in 1997. I almost fell over. I had just read a science fiction book called Edison's Last Breath. The premise was that Edison's last breath AND his soul were captured in a test tube, which was opened in the recent years by a kid. The kid spent the rest of the book mentally communicating with Edison on various adventures, but I can't remember any details. Not once did it occur to me that there is really a test tube like that, presumably without a soul in it. Jim Nichol On Jul 3, 2011, at 1:19 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: I agree with the others that 2 days would be enough. I've been there about 8 times since I was a kid. I was there in 2009. Be sure you visit Henry Ford's house, which is near the museum. It has an amazing powerhouse containing turbine generators that are powered from a creek running through his yard. They generated DC power for the house, of course, because he was Edison's friend. They still work, and one was running, though it was only powering a voltmeter or something. In Greenfield village, pay careful attention at Edison's Menlo Park laboratory. Look (of course) for the demonstration of the Edison / Bergmann tinfoil phonograph. They record a man's voice in the morning on a piece of tinfoil, and they play it back all day. I told the woman that Rene Rondeau made the tinfoil that she was using. She said Rene sounded familiar. Then she opened the drawer in the Bergmann Tinfoil, and pulled out Rene's book on tinfoil phonographs!!! Also, look in the other rooms in the Menlo lab and office, because there is a ANOTHER Bergmann tinfoil machine, though it is all rusty. There is a truly amazing machine on the 2nd floor of the Lab. It is a Brady Tinfoil. That is the 2nd Edison machine, which he took to Washington, DC to be photographed at Matthew Brady Studios, and also demonstrated to the President. The Brady machine is obviously TREMENDOUSLY under-appreciated by the museum. It was sitting on a wooden chair off to the side, and I didn't even notice it while I was there. That night at the hotel, I was viewing my photos. I was astounded to see the Brady in one photo. So the next day I paid admission again to Greenfield village, and went to the Lab to see the Brady. I asked a tour guide if I could go past their wooden fence to see that Brady tinfoil. He said The what?. He had no idea what it was, or that it was unbelievably valuable. And to my disbelief, he would not allow me to get close to it to take better pictures. So I had him take a couple pics. Jim Nichol On Jul 3, 2011, at 10:11 AM, Ken and Brenda Brekke wrote: We will be taking a sort of “Pilgrimage” in our Model A Ford to Dearborn Michigan in August. This will be a sort of crescendo of both of my hobby interests to visit the Ford Museum and also Greenfield Village and the Edison exhibits. In our travels, we will be staying in Ludington, Saginaw, Romulus, and Grand Rapids. My question to anyone on this list from Michigan is “Are there any phonograph related sites to see in these towns?” If we have time, I would like to check them out. If anyone has had the opportunity to visit Greenfield Village, what would you recommend to look for and not miss? We will have about 3 ½ days onsite and don’t want to miss anything. Thanks, Ken Brekke ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
Oh, yes. The book is Expiration Date. Other comments about the museum: 1. I was quite unhappy that both a tour guide and a guy playing a young Tom Edison told us that Edison did NOT invent the light bulb, he only perfected it. I couldn't believe they were spreading this garbage to every visitor. Since when does it count when other people try to invent something and fail? I think the US Patent Office agrees with me on the light bulb. It's bad enough that they said that Edison didn't invent the light bulb. But they had to gall to have an actor playing Edison say it out loud. That is an unbelievably inaccurate portrayal of Edison. The actor did get in one jab, however. He pointed out that unlike the others who worked on the light bulb, his actually worked. 2. I'm unhappy that Edison is downplayed compared to how it used to be at the museum. The large phonograph display that was there in the 1970's wasn't there in 2009. The worst thing is that they renamed the complex The Henry Ford instead of using Ford's name for it: The Edison Institute. 3. I am very impressed that they have a Chrysler Turbine car there. As a kid, I saw one of the 50 produced that Chrysler was showing in a local shopping mall. Almost all of them were scrapped on purpose shortly thereafter. I just found out this week that Jay Leno has one (see video on YouTube). 4. I didn't see the Edison Waterpower Phonograph in 2009, but I believe I saw it there on my previous trip in 1997. Jim Nichol On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Dennis Back wrote: For those interested in this book, the title is Expiration Date and written by Tim Powers. It's a very good read, I might add. And Jim...I very much enjoyed your posts about the Menlo Lab and Ford's residence. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
I strongly disagree. Yes, Google will tell you that many others worked on the light bulb. But those stories all conclude that none of them were practical. Edison's contribution was not only that he invented the power plant, but more importantly, he invented the first practical incandescent bulb. If that's not inventing it, I don't know how else to define it. Sure, Edison started out doing some of the things his competitors tried, but rejected all of them because they didn't work. Maybe you had to be alive at the time to appreciate what an enormous breakthrough it was when Edison demonstrated his light bulb. No one cared about the others who failed to produce anything useful. (I'm talking about incandescent bulbs here... obviously the arc light was successful in its own field). Jim On Jul 3, 2011, at 7:39 PM, The Farmers wrote: Search Google for who invented the light bulb and you'll see the overwhelming consensus that Edison did not invent it. He improved earlier light bulb inventions and designed power plants to power his light bulb. The most important part of this was that he marketed the entire lighting system, including bulbs, generators, and electrical grids, that municipalities could buy, making it a commercial success. I'm glad to hear the museum has it right. I'd like to point out that a distant relative, Moses G. Farmer, invented an electric light 20 years before Edison, patented it, and in 1858 his house in Salem, Massachusetts was the first in the world lit by electric light. It was not a failure, it actually worked, but it just was not commercially viable. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Nichol jnic...@fuse.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2011 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath Oh, yes. The book is Expiration Date. Other comments about the museum: 1. I was quite unhappy that both a tour guide and a guy playing a young Tom Edison told us that Edison did NOT invent the light bulb, he only perfected it. I couldn't believe they were spreading this garbage to every visitor. Since when does it count when other people try to invent something and fail? I think the US Patent Office agrees with me on the light bulb. It's bad enough that they said that Edison didn't invent the light bulb. But they had to gall to have an actor playing Edison say it out loud. That is an unbelievably inaccurate portrayal of Edison. The actor did get in one jab, however. He pointed out that unlike the others who worked on the light bulb, his actually worked. 2. I'm unhappy that Edison is downplayed compared to how it used to be at the museum. The large phonograph display that was there in the 1970's wasn't there in 2009. The worst thing is that they renamed the complex The Henry Ford instead of using Ford's name for it: The Edison Institute. 3. I am very impressed that they have a Chrysler Turbine car there. As a kid, I saw one of the 50 produced that Chrysler was showing in a local shopping mall. Almost all of them were scrapped on purpose shortly thereafter. I just found out this week that Jay Leno has one (see video on YouTube). 4. I didn't see the Edison Waterpower Phonograph in 2009, but I believe I saw it there on my previous trip in 1997. Jim Nichol On Jul 3, 2011, at 2:54 PM, Dennis Back wrote: For those interested in this book, the title is Expiration Date and written by Tim Powers. It's a very good read, I might add. And Jim...I very much enjoyed your posts about the Menlo Lab and Ford's residence. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
It should not be hard to obtain a piece of recorded tinfoil. There are a lot of repro tinfoil machines around. Jim On Jul 3, 2011, at 7:41 PM, David Dazer wrote: The last time I was there they gave me a piece of tin foil that had been recorded. I am sorry that they were so unkind to you. Dave --- On Sun, 7/3/11, clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, July 3, 2011, 5:07 PM For those of us who went to the museum before it was dumbed down, the place was magical. The last time I was there they had an M electric out in the open with no glass around it and sitting in a dark corner. Parts had been picked off of it. I desperately need a brush door plate for an M and could have just lifted the one on this machine right out, pocketed it, and walked out. They didn't seen to care when I brought the question of protecting the machine up to one of the key people there. It was very sad to see them take out important artifacts of the American Industrial Revolution from the main building to put in a snack bar and kiddy play area. Just the history of American steam engines alone was worth the visit and it is now all but gone. Needless-to-say, I have never stolen a phonograph part for my Edison collection and am still looking for a brush inspection door plate for my M electric, a never-ending project machine. I will bite the bullet and make a reproduction out of a cut up Edison Standard B bedplate later this summer if all goes well. BTW - Are they still demonstrating the Bergmann tinfoil reproduction machine? I made a tinfoil recording but the old biddy operating the machine would not give me the tinfoil. I even offered to pay for it as I don't own a single tinfoil recording. Regards to everyone, may all your finds be rare ones, Al PS: The last time I saw Edison's Last Breath they had it sitting in a dimly lit cheesy glass cabinet and it was poorly labeled. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
Henry Ford would turn over in his grave if he knew that his museum was telling people that Edison didn't invent the light bulb! I'd love to see him come back and confront these people. Jim ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Dearborn trip--Edison's last breath
Yes, I know (some) British would disagree, but they're wrong. The part you quoted below about Swan stated that his filament had low resistance, thus needing heavy copper wires to supply it. That is the key reason that Swan and everyone but Edison completely failed to REALLY invent an incandescent light that didn't burn out right away. And not to mention that even if it somehow didn't burn out, it would still be useless for a home owner because of the high current needed to operate it. In the same Wikipedia article you quoted it said that Paul Israel concluded that the high resistance filament was the key invention, and why Edison's 22 predecessors failed. And later in the article is said that the US Patent Office thought about invalidating the patent, but concluded that the high resistance filament was a valid patent claim. So I repeat: What is the point of inventing non-working, non-practical light bulbs? None! They are all failures, not inventions. Edison himself made dozens of light bulbs that were utter failures. Such as platinum filaments, many of which required elaborate thermal cutout mechanisms inside the bulb to shut off power as the platinum reached melting temperature. Those weren't valid light bulbs any more than Swan's were. They were failed experiments, not real inventions. Edison would not have the nerve to claim a failed experiment was a valid invention, as some historians now do. Did any of you guys ever read all the detailed accounts of Edison working on the light bulb? As an electrical engineer, I was fascinated. Scientists of the day said that Edison's attempt to subdivide the light was against the laws of physics. They were thinking in terms of old-fashioned arc lights that used high current, and thus had to be wired in series. Only Edison understood that to succeed he needed high resistance lights, which allowed them to be wired in parallel. Imagine if there was no Edison, and most lights in your house or on your whole street had to be wired in series! Edison was so far beyond others in the field that there is no comparison. Jim On Jul 3, 2011, at 9:29 PM, Bill Burns wrote: On 7/3/2011 8:38 PM, Jim Nichol wrote: I strongly disagree. Yes, Google will tell you that many others worked on the light bulb. But those stories all conclude that none of them were practical. Edison's contribution was not only that he invented the power plant, but more importantly, he invented the first practical incandescent bulb. The British would disagree: In 1850 Swan began working on a light bulb using carbonized paper filaments in an evacuated glass bulb. By 1860 he was able to demonstrate a working device, and obtained a British patent covering a partial vacuum, carbon filament incandescent lamp. However, the lack of a good vacuum and an adequate electric source resulted in an inefficient bulb with a short lifetime. Fifteen years later, in 1875, Swan returned to consider the problem of the light bulb with the aid of a better vacuum and a carbonized thread as a filament. The most significant feature of Swan's improved lamp was that there was little residual oxygen in the vacuum tube to ignite the filament, thus allowing the filament to glow almost white-hot without catching fire. However, his filament had low resistance, thus needing heavy copper wires to supply it.[7] Swan received a British patent for his device in 1878, about a year before Thomas Edison. In America, Edison had been working on copies of the original light bulb patented by Swan, trying to make them more efficient. Though Swan had beaten him to this goal, Edison obtained patents in America for a fairly direct copy of the Swan light, and started an advertising campaign which claimed that he was the real inventor. Swan, who was less interested in making money from the invention, agreed that Edison could sell the lights in America while he retained the rights in Britain. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Swan -- Bill Burns Long Island NY USA http://ftldesign.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] New cylinder record project.
Shawn, congrats on your big breakthrough! Jim Nichol On Jun 30, 2011, at 7:07 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: Hello all, here is the latest cylinder project. http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/337503446/2011-cylinder-record-to-tape-to-vinyl-all-analog-r/posts If you wonder why it takes so long to receive orders, here is an indication of why, this project was over 100 hours to complete, just my part. If I run out of materials, it may be a long time before I am able to replenish my supply of materials, which must be purchased in 50lbs+ quantities. The reject rate for blanks, was about 60%, and each blank, no matter if good or bad is 30-60 minutes to mold. The compound made in any quantity, takes a minimum of 3 hours to make, and sometimes can be 10 or more hours. I have made lots of improvements in the last few months, and recently made a monumental discovery, by finding that double pressed stearic, is close to what the original kind used by record makers for brown wax records, And for years I have been using triple pressed, and wondered why I had to use less aluminum, and caustic and more ceresine that the original recipe. I experimented last week with some double pressed, some thing I had avoided for over 10 years and had p ut away years ago. I went back to trying it out, after the experience of thousands of blanks under my belt and many years of practice. The result was astonishing, with what I know of the composition data, the last experimental blanks made a week ago, had even more properties close to the original brown wax, the right smell, and it melts the same as when you melt original wax, and has the gelatinous stage that the triple pressed does not and most importantly, when you break the cylinder open, it has no crystal layer at all, that means the absence of streaks and stars ,what I also liked better was the quieter surface. Having talked to my suppliers, of material about the history of stearic acid, and what time period different kinds of materials came to be, there was no such thing as triple pressed stearic acid in the 1890s, it was not around until after WWI, long after the brown wax cylinders heyday. The double pressed must be cooked in a very special mannor, or it will f og and this requires very specific temperatures to be heated too, very dangerous temperatures of over 450 degrees.What I really liked is the fact the new wax followed the original formula exactly, and behaved like it should, that is a broken piece of the new wax, next to one of original 1890s brown wax was the same, and very hard to tell the new from the original. This is just so exciting all this. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] Tinfoil Recording to be played
Have you guys seen this? Be sure to click on the photos. Are any phonograph collectors involved in this effort? http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Here-s-the-oldest-voice-you-never-heard-1331323.php Jim Nichol ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Looking for tabletop Pathe or possibly Brunswick phono
Actuelle? Jim Nichol On Mar 11, 2011, at 7:25 PM, Kurt Nauck wrote: I have a great floor model Pathé with a Gothic style oak case and a large cone diaphragm/arm/reproducer set-up (don't recall what they termed this thing) - if you're interested, let me know and I'll email pictures. Kurt Nauck c/o Nauck's Vintage Records 22004 Sherrod Ln. Spring, TX 77389 Website: www.78rpm.com E-Mail: na...@78rpm.com www.newpledge.org www.mdada.org Phone: (281) 288-7826 Fax: (425) 930-6862 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Cal Stewart and Shawn Borri on Dr. Demento show.
What? You have a Shawn Borri CD? I don't recall you ever mentioning that. How can I buy a copy? I heard you record a cylinder at Union once, and your Cal Stewart impersonation is uncanny! I bet others on this list would be interested in the CD. Jim Nichol On Dec 26, 2010, at 6:44 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I found a playlist for Dr. Demento, and it had an original Cal Stewart, and also Uncle Josh Buys a Computer by Shawn Borri (me). I have not listended to Dr D in awhile, so I was really surpised to find me on here. http://dmdb.org/cgi-bin/plinfo.pl?drd10.1106.html I have not listened to the show, though, and wonder where he found this recording, it is very rare, I only made three cylinder copies, and it was only availble on the Shawn Borri Phonograph CD that sold no copies, on MP3.com, unless someone pirated this. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Shawn Borri
It's great to see Shawn recognized for his expertise! Jim On Dec 26, 2010, at 8:43 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Read about our fellow list member and his accomplishments here: http://www.peoriamagazines.com/as/2010/nov-dec/outside-box-inside-cylinder Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Seller's Name was/ Frankenreproducer alert
Al, you're too modest! Your book on Edison cylinder phonographs is what ORIGINALLY started saving us from crooks and ignorant sellers. Jim On Dec 4, 2010, at 3:17 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: Greetings Dave: I actually don't know the Pittsburgh Phonograph Pirate's name. Whenever I have tried gently to enlighten him he responds with nasty responses telling me I don't know what I am talking about. Luckily he has never had anything I need for my collection. When I started collecting in the early 1960's there were more crooks around. Today we are far more educated thanks to MAPS, CAPS, Phono-L, etc., and that makes it much more difficult to con us. Regards to all, Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Phono-L Digest, Vol 7, Issue 196
OK, I'll do the first reply. Hundreds of us know enough about Frankenphones to comment on them, though most of us know very little about the topics you mentioned. But that doesn't mean they aren't fascinating: 1. Cylinder making 2. Grennet cells 3. Class M motors Since I know virtually nothing about cylinder making, I couldn't make a good response, like suggest a formula change. But I have posted here about how beautiful your light-colored cylinders at the Edison Historical Site are. I was there this summer. I have never seen a Grennet cell in use. I couldn't name anyone who owns a Class M. Nevertheless, I am very interested in all of those topics. Especially the Class M motor. I'm an electrical engineer who spent a good part of my career on starting up new DC motors and the variable speed electronics drive controls that have been used with them since the 1960's. So, yes, I know that brush tension against the commutator is very important. Did you say the Class M brushes are made of COPPER? I've never seen a brush that wasn't made of carbon or perhaps brass in very old motors. But I know wire brushes were used by Edison and others before Frank Sprague invented the carbon brush for street car DC series motors. Jim Nichol On Nov 26, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Thomas Edison wrote: I always notice that threads about frankenphones, and non helpul stuff like that go on forever,while. Talk about how to mold records, or how to adjust the brushes on the governor, so there is no wow , or how to. Change the electrolytic, sal amoniac for Grennet plunge battery for a class M get no responses. By the way keep the contact points on the govenor clean, the copper brushes touching with the same pressure on both sides, and make shure to keep a little above 2 amps, at all times so the motor is strong, the few. Cass Ms I heard were way out of adjustment, they should have no wow or flutter, they were recording Phonographs for goodness sakes! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Vandalism
One of the antique malls I've been in does not leave reproducers attached to any of the machines. If you want buy the phono, you have to ask one of the attendants to fetch you the reproducer. Jim On Nov 6, 2010, at 6:29 PM, jim...@earthlink.net wrote: Just returned from The Antique Gallery in Round Rock, Texas where I rent a stall to sell antique records the occasional phonograph. All of the dealer's in antique phonographs have had their machines vandalized by theft of soundboxes, reproducers tone arms.Stolen from my booth were the gun-metal finish Diamond Disc Reproducer from an Edison Baby Console Phonograph, the Diamond B Reproducer from an Edison Fireside Model B Phonograph a Victor No. 2 Soundbox from a Victrola 100. These were shiny all-original (except for gaskets in the No. 2) in excellent condition played extremely well, especially the Diamond B. A few months ago a Victor No. 2 Soundbox (which I replaced) from the Victrola 100 one of its horn door knobs were stolenThe thief did not take two Gold-Plated Diamond Disc Reproducers, one from an A-250 the other from a C-250. These were less shiny that what was stolen.(I understand that a Diamond Disc Reproducer, a Columbia tone arm with S oundbox whatever Soundbox was on a Haywood Wakefield wicker upright made for some other company were stolen from other dealers at The Antique Gallery.) I have a replacement for the Victor No. 2 Soundbox (finish not as nice as on one that was stolen) but need to replace the Diamond B gun-metal Diamond Disc Reproducers. And, to report this to Police I would like to know what such all-original excellent sounding Reproducers should be valued at.The manager of The Antique Gallery does not know when these items were taken but they were still there when I was at the Mall about 6 weeks ago. Have they turned up on E-bay or Craigslist? Let me know if anyone has a good Diamond A Diamond Disc Reproducer for sale. Thanks! Jim Cartwright Immortal Performances, Inc. jim...@earthlink.net ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records
Tom, the link works fine. Maybe you didn't notice that it is broken into two lines? In those situations you have to copy the whole two lines and paste it into your browser. Jim On Oct 31, 2010, at 6:27 PM, Tom Jordan wrote: I tried the link that I shared below and it doesn't work. If you type Edison phonograph adapter in the search line it's on the first page. Tom -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Tom Jordan Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:19 PM To: 'Antique Phonograph List' Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records Here is one that's currently on E-bay that lets you play regular 78s on an Edison machine (or so the listing says). I don't know anything about these. I just happened to see it this afternoon. Tom http://cgi.ebay.com/Empire-Reproducer-Adaptor-Edison-Disc-Phonograph-/320508 76?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4a9fcfa573 -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Robert Wright Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 5:07 PM To: Phono L Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records Wow, I've never seen an adaptor like that, other than the Brunswick Ultona 3-way tonearm. All the adaptors I've ever seen fit Edison phono's to play lateral 78's. Be nice to have both! Anyone have a picture of the type of adaptor David's asking about? Best,Robert To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: drlun...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2010 19:21:26 + Subject: [Phono-L] Adaptor for diamond disc records List: if anyone has an extra adaptor to allow their victor phono to play diamond disc records, I'd like to pick one up. I used to have one but can't locate and I have some xmas records I'd like to play on a victor this year. Please contact me off list if you have one for sale. Thanks. David --Original Message-- From: Ron L'Herault Sender: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org To: phonol...@yahoogroups.com To: 'Antique Phonograph List' ReplyTo: Antique Phonograph List Subject: [Phono-L] cylinder cabinet pegs and knob Sent: Oct 31, 2010 9:26 AM I just picked up a 252 peg, 6 drawer cylinder cabinet in Oak. Unfortunately, of course, all the pegs have been removed and one knob is broken. I'm pretty sure that there are at least a couple of peg suppliers. Phonophan is one. Who is the other, Jim? Does anyone have one knob and disk that they would like to part with? It is the roundish, openwork knob with a round disk behind it. I can take a picture of a good one if necessary. Thanks, Ron L'Herault ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
The best known record of this type is the one by Monty Python in the 1970's. I was astounded when I bought it back then, and accidentally discovered that side 2 had two different grooves. It was called a three-sided record. http://www.snopes.com/music/media/groove.asp Jim On Oct 27, 2010, at 7:52 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4 Here is the Conundrum being demonstrated on Youtube. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record There seems to be lot of conjecture about exactly how many of those records that Victor made. I always hear of the Conundrum, but never have seen/heard it. I have the Puzzle Record, which has three starts on each of two sides. It's a 10 inch. Rust's Victor Master Book tells thyat some (not all) of the tracks were done by the Mayfair Orchestra (England?). Audio quality is very good. The stylus sure does go across the record in a hurry! [Original Message] From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/27/2010 12:06:16 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record
Wow! The odds of playing the 4 tracks successfully are 1 in 256, if I calculated correctly. ( 4x4x4x4=256) Jim On Oct 27, 2010, at 10:14 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Hi Bruce, Thanks for the link on YouTube. Strangely enough when I first played my record, I hit each variation with the first four tries - since then, that feat is impossible to reproduce. Curt Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 11:52:45 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozPct-CiZK4 Here is the Conundrum being demonstrated on Youtube. Bruce - Original Message - From: Douglas Houston cdh...@earthlink.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2010 12:50:40 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record There seems to be lot of conjecture about exactly how many of those records that Victor made. I always hear of the Conundrum, but never have seen/heard it. I have the Puzzle Record, which has three starts on each of two sides. It's a 10 inch. Rust's Victor Master Book tells thyat some (not all) of the tracks were done by the Mayfair Orchestra (England?). Audio quality is very good. The stylus sure does go across the record in a hurry! [Original Message] From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: 10/27/2010 12:06:16 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Victor Puzzle Record I'm hoping that someone on the list might have some info on Victor Puzzle Records. I picked one up the other day titled: The Conundrum - What Should I Play Next?. Anyone know how many of these were made or how scarce they might be? I have only seen two of these - the one that I bought and another by Jimmie Rodgers. Were these a demo of the then current technology, or were they made for some other purpose? The selections on this record are four different types of music, which play randomly, depending on where or when you place the needle - very strange... Curt ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison NHP Presentation Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice
I hope someone will make this available on video. I can't see making a 2nd trip back to the Site in 2010. I was there a few months ago. (my previous trip was about 1966). Jim On Oct 28, 2010, at 10:16 AM, mark lynch wrote: A fascinating presentation at the Edison NHP next Saturday. Read below for free reservations. Hope to see some of you there. Best, Mark Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice - David Giovannoni at Thomas Edison NHP, November 6, 7:00 pm Thomas Edison NHP News Release Contact: Karen Sloat-Olsen Phone: 973-736-0550 x17 Reservations: 973-736-0550 x89 Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice Historian David Giovannoni Presentation WEST ORANGE, NJ - On Saturday evening, November 6, 2010, at 7:00 pm, Thomas Edison National Historical Park welcomes historian David Giovannoni who will give a 75-minute illustrated presentation titled Humanity's First Recordings of its Own Voice. The program will be held at the Laboratory Complex at 211 Main Street. Admission to the program is free. Seating is limited and reservations are required. Reservations can be made by calling 973-736-0550, ext.89. Thomas Edison's tinfoil phonograph of 1877 is rightly considered one of the marvels of the nineteenth century. But in mid-nineteenth-century France, amateur inventor Édouard-Léon Scott de Martinville conceived of a rather similar machine. Between 1854 and 1860 he experimented with focusing airborne sounds of speech and music onto paper. His phonautograph bore a striking resemblance to Edison's phonograph of 20 years later. But his recordings, unlike Edison's, were meant to be read by the eye, not heard by the ear. For a century-and-a-half his experiments lay quietly in the venerable French archives in which he deposited them. Then in 2007 a few audio historians hypothesized there was a real possibility that modern technology could develop these experimental recordings like dormant photographic plates. Instead of exposing images, however, these would bear sounds perhaps even humanity's first recordings of its own voice! In this presentation David Giovannoni recounts how he and his colleagues have identified dozens of these forgotten documents and coaxed several to talk and to sing. A principal in their discovery and recovery, Giovannoni is the first person since Scott de Martinville to personally examine every recording. He'll explain how they were made and how they are played. He'll discuss Scott de Martinville experiments, his reception in established scientific circles, and his early descent into an unmarked grave. For more information or directions please call 973-736-0550 ext. 11 or visit our website at www.nps.gov/edis. -NPS- National Park Service U.S. Department of the Interior Thomas Edison National Historical Park 211 Main Street West Orange, NJ 07052 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Edison Opera on ebay
He can't as ignorant as he appears, if he knows the term spear tip. Jim ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] edisonia for sale!
I can't read the to-do list. What does it say? Jim On Sep 16, 2010, at 8:00 PM, pjfraser wrote: http://www.uncommongoods.com/item/item.jsp?itemId=19513 this is quite silly, and the write-up has its facts a little mixed-up, but the to-do list in the picture is amusing. -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Reproduction Victor album sets?
On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? I'm reposting the Rolfs' email on the Nipper Trademark: Jim Nichol From: Robin Rolfs nip...@dataex.com Subject:[Phono-L] Rights to HMV Date: September 25, 2008 3:28:38 PM EDT To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Reply-To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Greetings, We recently wrote a book on Nipper Collectibles and the history of the Nipper Trademark, which we hope every collector has added to their library. In short, Nipper and the His Master's Voice along with RCA, once the most powerful trademarks in the world have dissipated into the foreign graveyard of cast-off and near forgotten trademarks. Here are our summarized findings: RCA is nothing more than a trademark. Once acquired by General Electric in 1986, it RCA Records to Bertelsmann A.G. A year later, both RCA and GE Consumer Electronics businesses were sold to the French firm, Thomson SA, while GE retained RCA's NBC broadcasting interests. In 1988, Thomson Consumer Electronics was formed and later renamed Thomson Multimedia in 1995, and in 2002 was again renamed Thomson SA. Thomson bought the His Master's Voice trademark from GE in 2003 and transferred it to RCA Trademark Management SA in France. One year later, Thomson entered into a joint venture with TCL Corporation, a large electronics manufacturing company in southern China. TCL has acquired all the manufacturing rights to RCA brand televisions. The last of the Thomson line of RCA consumer electronics was recently purchased by Audiovox. Meanwhile, RCA Records is now part of Sony BMG Music Group. RCA Laboratories has been transferred to SRI International and renamed Sarnoff Corporation. RCA Aerospace Defense combined with GE Aerospace, only to be sold to Martin Marietta in 1993 which soon merged with Lockheed Corporation. In the spring of 1997, Lockheed Martin Communications Systems, Camden, NJ was renamed L-3 Communication Corp. England still retains the rights to use the trademark logo and name for their HMV stores. China, who indirectly obtained the logo from the U.S. through Thomson can only use it on products sold in China. Likewise, in Japan, JVC founded in 1927 as The Victor Company of Japan, now owned by Matsushita, can use the HMV logo only on products sold in Japan. Because of territorial licensing, Nipper can no longer be used as a tool in the global marketing and identification of a product. Since the trademark can legitimately only be used only for products sold in the country of origin, it is doubtful that it will ever show up on products intended to be sold internationally. Since no single entity owns the trademark, its use for other purposes (collectibles, nick-knacks, T-shirts, crap-o-phones) goes unchallenged. Robin Joan Rolfs Visit us at: www.audioantique.com On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:11 PM, Andrew Baron wrote: Which brings me to the point: Does anyone here know the current ownership status of the famous trademark? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
