Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Not sure my original email was received, but wanted to update all regarding the Lithuanian fraudulent seller. Paypal returned my money, and the Lithuanian con man came up empty with the radar from paypal and ebay on the lookout for him. One of the helpful contributing factors was the help I received from this phono email connection. I mentioned to paypal that I was in contact with other collectors on this email site that they were aware of a Lithuanian conman with the same MO on eaby. Because I had alerted them on the day I purchased the item, they withheld the funds until verified. He has no money and we have his number! Thanks again to everyone, this connection has been of great service and a support for an emotional roller coaster ride. Randy Larson On Tue, May 1, 2012 at 10:23 AM, The Farmers g...@usfamily.net wrote: USPS money orders are the ONLY type of money order I accept, and I take them immediately to the post office where they will verify them and cash them. Once I have the cash, I'll ship the item. Does anyone know if all Wells Fargo banks can immediately verify if a Wells Fargo money order is good and then cash it for you free of charge? Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visions@live.**com vinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
hi bill on mine for ebay they did not stand behind it i believe it was a 1922 plain it was my word against his and ebay did not care in this case zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 6:48 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Well maybe on eBay there is a guarantee but not from a guy with a velvet-covered tray on a pickup truck tailgate in a parking lot in New Hampshire. Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
I lost out on $500 'cause I didn't cash a phony $2800 M.O. He was going to let me keep that (in addition to the $300 for the item) after I mailed the extra $2000 to his son. It was well done - the M.O. was drawn on a national bank. But having STEPPED off the turnip truck I Googled the bank - they had branch only two blocks away from the one the M.O. was from - Why so close? I asked myself. So I called their 1-800 #. I gave them the account number - I didn't even finish before they told me it was a phony. The interesting part was they didn't want a copy or have anything to do with it - great attitude! Google's great - I also Googled the phone number of the bank on the phony M.O. - it came up associated with three other numbers. I called all four. They were businesses who had no knowledge of the individual but had similar inquiries - they assumed the phone company had listed the number wrong. And all you have to do is let the buyer know you'll hold the stuff for a week or two for the MO to clear. They'll either agree or go away. best, Darrell == Rich wrote: If you request a USPS money order you can go to the post office and actually check that the MO is valid and not a phony. Othe MOs may or may not be capable of being verified. On 05/01/2012 08:50 AM, john robles wrote: Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Actually, I guess I don't think like the scammers, which may be naive... I never thought of the idea of sending a fraudulent money order and I assumed that the seller would wait until it cleared before sending the item. As for sending cash - I have mailed cash payments to Germany, Australia, England and Uruguay without any problems, and yes, they could have refused to send the item. I have only done this with people who had 100% feedback on a number of transactions and I have read their feedback... Apparently, I have dealt with some honest collector/sellers. Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 06:50:14 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Over the past 10-12 years I've mailed over 7000 packages - two have gotten lost. And until the past 2-3 years almost all were paid for by check. Only two bounced and both made them good immediately. Which tells me record/phono collectors are an honest, trustworthy lot - and the USPS don't do so bad either! Vinyl Visions wrote: Actually, I guess I don't think like the scammers, which may be naive... I never thought of the idea of sending a fraudulent money order and I assumed that the seller would wait until it cleared before sending the item. As for sending cash - I have mailed cash payments to Germany, Australia, England and Uruguay without any problems, and yes, they could have refused to send the item. I have only done this with people who had 100% feedback on a number of transactions and I have read their feedback... Apparently, I have dealt with some honest collector/sellers. Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 06:50:14 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Actually it is totally understandable why she wouldn't take a money order. There is a huge amount of scamming on Craigslist involving people who claim to be interested in your item and who want to pay by cashier's check or money order. These money orders and cashier's checks are stolen from banks and are altered. Craigslist has a warning about this and about accepting those types of payment. When yuo get them and you send the item off, you find out that the money order or cashier's check is no good and you are stuck. So the seller was probably afraid that this was one of those scams. They are so widespread on Craigslist that I get several offers when I am selling something there. They always begin with a note from the would-be buyer asking if the item is still available. They never state what the item is - like they don;t say Is the phonograph still available? When you answer and say yes, you get another email, usually from a different person, stating Thakn you for your swift reply. I am busy and so cannot come to pick up the ite,m, but will pay you (soe additional sum of money) for your trouble. I will send payment by certified bank check (or money order) and upon receipt I will arrange for my shipper to pick up th item. That is usually how it goes. When anyone asks me it the item is still available, I say yes, but not if you want to pay by certified check or money order. Then I usually don't hear back, or more often I hear Thank you for your response. I will send payment blah blah blah. It's like they never read my response. So this lady was probably afraid it was a counterfeit money order scam. Paypal or cash on pickup is the best way to go to complete the deal. Speaking of scams, though how do you know if you send cash that you will ever get your item? John Robles From: Vinyl Visionsvinyl.visi...@live.com Date: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 8:18 pm Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller To:phono-l@oldcrank.org Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller
There are a series of threads regarding this Lithuanian seller on one of the forums. He has sold the same phonographs several times. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8518 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8367 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=7604 On MondayApril 30, 2012, at April30201210:24 AM, john robles wrote: While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Well maybe on eBay there is a guarantee but not from a guy with a velvet-covered tray on a pickup truck tailgate in a parking lot in New Hampshire. Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 5:54 PM, zonophone2...@aol.com wrote: hi bill et all i had the same on ebay but it was the penny that was plain you have caveat emptor on ebay too zono -Original Message- From: William Zucca rochr...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Apr 30, 2012 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller It isn't phono related but I bought a 1909-S V.D.B. cent at a flea market some years ago for a bargain price ant when I sent it in to a certification service it turned out to be an added S mint mark to a plain, old 1909 V.D.B. cent. On one hand, bargains do turn up in attics, yard sales, and flea markets but on the other, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is. Only the smart collector and wheeler-dealers seem to know which is which. And I ain't one of them! Regards, Green Mountain Bill On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com wrote: Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Never buy anything from a zero feedback seller from anywhere... especially Eastern Europe. I got scammed on repro high end needle tins, so watch out. From: phonol...@mac.com Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:19:36 -0700 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller There are a series of threads regarding this Lithuanian seller on one of the forums. He has sold the same phonographs several times. http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8518 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=8367 http://forum.talkingmachine.info/viewtopic.php?f=2t=7604 On MondayApril 30, 2012, at April30201210:24 AM, john robles wrote: While making a mistake like that may be somewhat embarrassing, it is courageous of you to tell us about it with the hope of helping someone else to avoid it. Thank you very much. John Robles From: Randy Larson ra...@cityprayz.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 10:04 AM Subject: [Phono-L] ebay fraudlent seller Have you ever heard those stories of a guy responding to a Chevrolet for sale in a barn somewhere for $100. Turned out to be a 67 corvette, I think there was even a song about it. I always wondered if that would happen on ebay. A week ago Sunday, A Victor I was posted on ebay for $330.00 but it now. As my heart began to pound, I couldn't believe I was the first, and those who snooze loose motto popped in my head. I checked out the photo's and the unit was in mint condition. I immediately purchased it which began a roller coaster of emotions. The other motto of if its too good to be true, it usually it also reared it truth of reality. I checked his ebay and history and there was none. A tracking number was given and DPD (out of Germany) had no record of this number. The person was also from Lithuania! The phone number given was also bogus. I sent four emails asking for verification and to no avail, no response! The good news was that I alerted paypal. They said that they agreed that this most likely was a fraudulent sale, and I would be guaranteed that I would receive a full refund. We have to wait, there's a 1% chance he might still send it, but paypal has to wait 30 days (time limit for the seller to send the package). I made a huge mistake and let my emotions get the best of common sense. I hope my mistake will be of help to my phono friends. Best Regards Randy Larson ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Another scam related incident - I just won a music box that was a replica of a Thorens machine for the minimum bid of $15.00 - parts missing, it really wasn't worth much more. The seller cancelled the transaction because he/she said that he/she was not comfortable accepting a Wells Fargo money order for payment... like he/she was taking a risk - on $15.00? I was the one taking the risk attempting to send a cash equivalent payment without first receiving the item... I don't get it, except that was a way to get out of the sale. Fortunately, in all of the transactions I have made in the US and Europe, I only got scammed once, even though I have sent cash for payments... just lucky, I guess, except most collectors are honest. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Years ago at a local auction I watched an Amberola 30 go for $750.00. A few weeks later I ran into the winning bidder and we got to talking about phonographs and I asked if he had any for sale. He said he had an Amberola 30 for sale and I responded (before I could edit my mouth from my brain) You will have to find someone else who does not know what they are doing to buy that one. I can usually win a bid against a dealer and sometimes a collector, but I can never win a bid from someone who doesn't know what they are doing. In a message dated 3/3/2012 11:55:31 A.M. Central Standard Time, smst...@gmail.com writes: The problem with bidding early is as vinyl states. Also the bidder has a feeling of ownership. That is to say if someone bids they are taking your item away and you will attack with a new and higher bid. I use attack because that is just what the lizard brain does...Someone took it away. Sneak attacks are better, last second bidding. Why show your cards? And never forget the person that will BUI, bid under the influence. eBay encourages proxy bidding for a reason. They don't call 'em bidding wars for no reason. Oldcranky On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Two possible ways to get a long series from the same bidder. In one scenario, there is a higher bidder, and the new bidder keeps entering higher and higher bids to try to outbid that higher bidder. In the second scenario, a bidder enters one bid and then enters several others so as to increase his original bid. You won't see any of those later bids until a higher bidder enters the auction, and then all the other bids the first bidder entered will appear that are up to the higher bidder, and one bid (if one was entered) that exceeds the higher bidder. -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of allena...@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 2:34 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item256d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Or one person and a reserve which he's trying to find. -- Bill On 3/4/2012 5:30 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: yes, but of course, it takes two to tango. (or to raise a bid)... allen --- In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:09:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, msprin...@gmail.com writes: Two possible ways to get a long series from the same* bidder. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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You often see auctions with only one bidder, who is bidding against himself. In reality, he is bidding against the reserve price, since he doesn't know its amount. Jim On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item256d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2 56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Allen,The original bidder placed an automatic proxy bid for $1,000. The second guy, who apparently is not knowledgeable at all, kept bidding against the proxy bid until his bid exceeded $1,000. So, it appeared that he was bidding against himself, but in actuality he was bidding against an already placed automatic bid. Luckily for the first bidder, the second guy outbid his ridiculous proxy bid.Curt From: allena...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 14:33:51 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I think you are right, John. But fortunately for the original bidder, the second guy exceeded his proxy bid. Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 17:24:17 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? From: Steve Andersen ander...@tampabay.rr.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 4:10 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SEE-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item256d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847DZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It's a scam... From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2 56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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On 3/4/2012 8:24 PM, john robles wrote: Hmm, shall we reconsider my original premise about shilling?? Shilling requires two bidders, the real one and the shill. Both would show in the bid list. -- Bill ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) John From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It is a contract and they must pay. Check the high bidder's feedback and see if a negative was left by the seller over the next few days. If not, chances are it was shilling. From: aph4...@aol.com aph4...@aol.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:25 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2 56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Look through his feedback, he is just finding stuff and throwing it up for sale, has no idea what he is doing and if it is not in one of those antique price guides he is lost. On 03/04/2012 07:49 PM, clockworkh...@aol.com wrote: The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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You can only get them at the ACE hardware in Orange, NJ... :) To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: clockworkh...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:49:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the belt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is that he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 (but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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I KNOW it's a scam. But doesn't the scammer seller still owe eBay the commission? Or is eBay just too dumb to figure it out? --Art Heller -Original Message- From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? t's a scam... From: aph4...@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:25:53 -0500 To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? So the high bidder just crapped out on him. I thought that the eBay bid was a contract that had to be honored. So much for the eBay contract. Unless he himself put in the high bid??? If so he owes eBay the commission. What am I missing here? ---Art Heller In a message dated 3/4/2012 5:24:47 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ander...@tampabay.rr.com writes: The Standard is now re-listed at $999.99! http://www.ebay.com/itm/PAT-1898-EDISON-STANDARD-PHONOGRAPH-WORKING-MOTOR-SE E-MY-VIDEO-110-YEARS-OLD-/160753917176?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item256dae 1cf8 Sold $1060 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem_trksid=p4340.l2557hash=item2 56d261325item=160745001765nma=truept=LH_DefaultDomain_0rt=ncsi=hNN0847D ZwyYQ9DbTNaGUu38QWE%253Dorig_cvip=truert=nc On Mar 4, 2012, at 2:33 PM, allena...@aol.com wrote: but how can a person bid against himself if he is the only bidder? In a message dated 3/3/2012 4:38:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, john9...@pacbell.net writes: consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE?
Believe it or not.. When I was living in Guam, the local Ace Hardware carried piano string wire that I could use for restringing pianos! And our local Ace in Denver used to carry all kinds of wierd stuff. Now that they have been acquired by the corporate office, the selection is no better than the other hardware stores. So much for corporate ownership of local small businesses! Art Heller -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Mar 4, 2012 8:56 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? Doesn't your Ace have the Genuine Edison Phonograph Parts endcap? :-) ohn From: clockworkh...@aol.com clockworkh...@aol.com o: phono-l@oldcrank.org ent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 5:49 PM ubject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Edison Belts at ACE? The seller is highly suspect in all of this. I sent him/her an email about the elt tension pulley and have not heard back. What I find most enlightening is hat he/she states they went to ACE Hardware which has replacement belts for $7 but didn't buy one) and leaves it to the buyer of this machine. How come my ACE Hardware doesn't carry Edison belts? Al ___ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org __ hono-L mailing list ttp://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Really? All banner Standard As I have had or seen the black slotted crank. The early banner Standard B had a threaded crank. The difference between the A and b Banner machines is that the A had the speed control knob above the bedplate, the B had the speed control below the bedplate. Are you sure your Standards were A models? John From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:21 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as I thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A had a slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible your banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B with banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A or B banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on the front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is also taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to compare. Glenn From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Mine has the speed control through the top and also is in the shorter green oak case with a banner. On 3/3/12 8:17 AM, Glenn Longwell majesticrec...@snet.net wrote: Regarding the crank on Standards. My Standard A has the slotted crank as I thought they all did. So I checked Frow's book and he also says the A had a slotted crank. The Standard B's had threaded cranks. Is it possible your banner machine is the early Standard B that had the banner? My early B with banner has the threaded crank. The easiest way to tell if you have an A or B banner is whether the speed control knob is present above the bedplate on the front left of the machine. If it's there it's a Standard A. The B is also taller but that's not easy to tell if you don't have both machines to compare. Glenn From: Bill Taney b...@taney.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sat, March 3, 2012 7:21:18 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? It's probably someone who doesn't know what the machine is worth, they both have lots of feedback (the bidders). I can't imagine paying more than 500 bucks for that machine. The one interesting thing of note is that it has a slotted crank, not threaded. My banner standard A has a threaded crank and so have all the others I have seen. It must be relatively early. On 3/3/12 6:01 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.net wrote: No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling??
The problem with bidding early is as vinyl states. Also the bidder has a feeling of ownership. That is to say if someone bids they are taking your item away and you will attack with a new and higher bid. I use attack because that is just what the lizard brain does...Someone took it away. Sneak attacks are better, last second bidding. Why show your cards? And never forget the person that will BUI, bid under the influence. eBay encourages proxy bidding for a reason. They don't call 'em bidding wars for no reason. Oldcranky On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.comwrote: Check the bid history, my point is proven. There is someone who wants that machine for $1,060+That bidder is:i***l( 1259) Obviously, he/she was determined to find the previous bidder's limit and then exceed it, no matter what the item is worth.The lesson to be learned is this - don't place a proxy bid for more than you are actually comfortable with paying, because someone will try to get you to your max. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 11:04:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Actually, this is the problem with placing proxy bids early on eBay. He probably did not want to pay $1,000, but definitely wanted the machine and didn't want to be sniped at the end, so placed a high proxy bid to avoid being outbid. However, he didn't take into account the nutcase OCD bidders who will keep bumping the bid until they discover your limit. Why does anyone bid days ahead on eBay, since it's not an actual auction anyway? The only thing that counts is the last bid. Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling something? Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastris glast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
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If you go back and look real hard at that machine you will note that it is far from prime condition. The belt tensoiner looks to be missing in action and the top does not aper to have a matchng finish but this may be lighting. The corrosion on several parts is nota good sign though. I bet it is the video that sold it though. On 03/03/2012 07:43 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Thanks for the compliment, Steve... From: steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 18:36:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? where are these buyers when I am selling something? . It was the way he described it, 110 years old and someone that was ignorant purchased it. Four years ago a standard described as mint, 100% of the pin striping was GONE and it was one of the WORSE standards I have ever seen, but the seller said it was the nicest one he had seen in 35 years and it sold for $750 with an equally crappy horn. Ignorance is bliss for these sellers. The buyer got a $300 dollar machine for $1060. Your problem is you are honest, and a nice guy as well. Steve From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 17:52:34 -0500 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A two minute Standard with no horn, no crane and no belt for $1,060? The seller made out like a bandit... where are these buyers when I am selling something? Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:09:37 -0800 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? A yeah. I get it. I find it amazing anyone would bid that much for a Standard though. From: George Glastrisglast...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 4:01 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? No, he was bidding against someone else...but not catching up. - Original Message - From: john roblesjohn9...@pacbell.net To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 3:21 AM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Shilling?? Check this out..here is an Edison Standard going for over $1,000 on eBay. The interesting thing is, one bidder placed 13 consecutive bids within a few minutes, bidding against himself each time, and taking the price from $599 to $1000. I call shilling. What do you think?? John Robles PAT 1898 EDISON STANDARD PHONOGRAPH WORKING MOTOR! SEE MY VIDEO! 110+ YEARS OLD! ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
And it's been on once before from the same seller in Lithuania. He started it as an auction then changed it to Buy It Now at the price you paid. Something smells very fishy...personally, I'd try to cancel the sale now. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
I was gonna hit it but the felt was replacedlol Oldcranky On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 9:19 AM, George Glastris glast...@comcast.netwrote: And it's been on once before from the same seller in Lithuania. He started it as an auction then changed it to Buy It Now at the price you paid. Something smells very fishy...personally, I'd try to cancel the sale now. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/**worthopedia/antique-berliner-** phonograph-110489235http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org __**_ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
Sad to say, it (the Lithuanian Berliner) is not legit. Allen In a message dated 1/29/2012 12:55:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, phonosju...@att.net writes: Agreed. I knew it was of little financial risk, just perhaps a time issue. I did call and speak to someone at Ebay based on the information Dennis provided. They were not alarmed because PayPal still holds the funds until the item arrives. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
Since this is an obvious fraud, I am wondering why you couldn't just send the obvious evidence and links to Ebay and Paypal, and have them take immediate action against the crook. - Original Message - From: Dennis Back back...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boyles phonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit?
I tried and they were not interested. The funds are still in Paypal's possesion and I have to wait 7 days to begin a claim of which they will consider the links and other information. I tried but they are too big to allow appropriate decisions at the lower levels. I will file a claim on Feb 6th and will not remove the charge via my CC. In talking with them, heir evidence of fraud is if it doesn't arrive or if not as described. In the end, it's their money.. On 1/29/2012 12:53 PM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: Since this is an obvious fraud, I am wondering why you couldn't just send the obvious evidence and links to Ebay and Paypal, and have them take immediate action against the crook. - Original Message - From: Dennis Backback...@yahoo.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2012 11:55:11 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? I did a quick google on a phrase from the auction description. Motor is fairly quite for this type of a machine. I found this: http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/antique-berliner-phonograph-110489235 The seller's location of Lithuania was not a good sign to begin with. Sorry about the news. Good luck, and keep us informed. Dennis --- On Sun, 1/29/12, Eric Boylesphonosju...@att.net wrote: From: Eric Boylesphonosju...@att.net Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Berliner - Do you think this is legit? To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, January 29, 2012, 11:27 AM *http://tinyurl.com/7xs7jwf* Ebay auction 170773607299 Full disclosure, I was the winner. I paid via Paypal with a CC so if it is a issue then I have some form or protection. $400 including shipping was worth the risk of fighting over it later. I have a email into the seller. I will ask for the serial number on the reproducer. Eric ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay
You should write and let him know, I would. I often write sellers about reproducers. Aside from one person who quoted the Frow book on me, and two greedy sellers who thought the cruddy reproducers and recorders they had were NOS because they had the box I have had good luck with people being receptive. Steve From: mtuc...@exemail.com.au To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2011 17:35:10 +1100 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Some eBay sellers will go to extreme lengths to market their items at high prices - note the extravagant claim in item 350514099736 that this ( 109) is the earliest Fireside in existence. I have number 83 and 90 is also listed. No doubt there are at least several others below 109. Mike Tucker ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay
Some eBay sellers will go to extreme lengths to market their items at high prices - note the extravagant claim in item 350514099736 that this ( 109) is the earliest Fireside in existence. I have number 83 and 90 is also listed. No doubt there are at least several others below 109. Mike Tucker ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay payment options
I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay payment options
eBay would rather you used PayPal, so they get a cut of the payment, but they can't forbid local pickup for cash and there would be a huge outcry if they tried. If you are concerned about a stranger coming to your house, set the exchange up in a public place such as a restaurant or your place of work. I can't imagine any other problem (and in fact I just met a buyer today, who came to my office building, and paid me $1,600 in cash for the two items he won). Happy selling! Chris gregory caringi drgr...@msn.com wrote: I recently sold an item on eBay for over $2000. The item will be picked-up at my home rather than shipped. The buyer has offered to pay cash at the time of pick-up. I searched eBay and I am not sure of what their current policy is concerning cash transactions. Any advice in this matter is appreciated. Thanks. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
It is the best deal for a seller I have seen in a long time. And that is the opening bid price, not a buy it now price. SUCH A DEAL . Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
Wow, i'm hanging on to mine till it gets to $10,000 these babies are like having gold... Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2011 03:39:30 + From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph And that is the opening bid price, not a buy it now price. SUCH A DEAL . - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:32:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
And that is the opening bid price, not a buy it now price. SUCH A DEAL . - Original Message - From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:32:17 PM Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph
And don't you just love the wonderfully informative photos! -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of Vinyl Visions Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2011 9:32 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Special - 1940's Mikiphone Portable Pocket Phonograph Check out this ridiculous listing, just in time for Christmas: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=120816777670ssPageName=A DME:B:SS:US:1123#ht_16978wt_2594 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work
Thanks Steve. I have actually shared that advice with some ebayers who had nice stuff but minimums were way too high. A few took the advice and got bidders going. From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work Exactly, you need to get the bidding started. I hope people will learn from you, your excellence should show the way. Steve Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:42:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work My experience is that if you have a piece you know is worth money, and you put a high minimum bid on it, many times no one will bid. If you put a low starting bid and a reserve price on it, many times you will exceed your expectations! I once listed an Edison Gem on eBay, a very nice model B, and I made the starting bid $250.00 and a reserve of $500.00. No one bid. I relisted with a starting bid of $25.00 and a reserve of $500.00, and it sold for $750!! John Robles From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay at work http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310353226375 This guy started of this part at $12.99 having no idea what it was worth. It sold for $229.49. So many people put things on eBay at top dollar and wonder why no one bids. There was even one item that had a buy it now for $75 and a starting bid of $9.99. At the first bid the buy it now went away and it sold for close to $100. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
[Phono-L] Ebay at work
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310353226375 This guy started of this part at $12.99 having no idea what it was worth. It sold for $229.49. So many people put things on eBay at top dollar and wonder why no one bids. There was even one item that had a buy it now for $75 and a starting bid of $9.99. At the first bid the buy it now went away and it sold for close to $100. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work
Auction format selling has never been, is not now, and never will be a completely rational process. However, as you point out, auction selling can be interesting and can provoke curiosity for sellers, bidders, and observers. - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 10:29 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay at work http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310353226375 This guy started of this part at $12.99 having no idea what it was worth. It sold for $229.49. So many people put things on eBay at top dollar and wonder why no one bids. There was even one item that had a buy it now for $75 and a starting bid of $9.99. At the first bid the buy it now went away and it sold for close to $100. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work
My experience is that if you have a piece you know is worth money, and you put a high minimum bid on it, many times no one will bid. If you put a low starting bid and a reserve price on it, many times you will exceed your expectations! I once listed an Edison Gem on eBay, a very nice model B, and I made the starting bid $250.00 and a reserve of $500.00. No one bid. I relisted with a starting bid of $25.00 and a reserve of $500.00, and it sold for $750!! John Robles From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay at work http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310353226375 This guy started of this part at $12.99 having no idea what it was worth. It sold for $229.49. So many people put things on eBay at top dollar and wonder why no one bids. There was even one item that had a buy it now for $75 and a starting bid of $9.99. At the first bid the buy it now went away and it sold for close to $100. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work
Exactly, you need to get the bidding started. I hope people will learn from you, your excellence should show the way. Steve Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2011 18:42:58 -0700 From: john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay at work My experience is that if you have a piece you know is worth money, and you put a high minimum bid on it, many times no one will bid. If you put a low starting bid and a reserve price on it, many times you will exceed your expectations! I once listed an Edison Gem on eBay, a very nice model B, and I made the starting bid $250.00 and a reserve of $500.00. No one bid. I relisted with a starting bid of $25.00 and a reserve of $500.00, and it sold for $750!! John Robles From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org; phonol...@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 28, 2011 8:29 AM Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay at work http://www.ebay.com/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=310353226375 This guy started of this part at $12.99 having no idea what it was worth. It sold for $229.49. So many people put things on eBay at top dollar and wonder why no one bids. There was even one item that had a buy it now for $75 and a starting bid of $9.99. At the first bid the buy it now went away and it sold for close to $100. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested)
I use a program called Print Screen Deluxe. Does same thing plus will save to a file and or send to printer. In a message dated 10/12/2011 9:06:20 P.M. Central Daylight Time, vinyl.visi...@live.com writes: Another trick for downloading photos, since a lot of websites and sellers are posting flash pics, which do not respond to a right-click save: in VISTA or WIN 7 go to your START button, click on ALL programs - scroll down to accessories and click it - a list will appear - scroll down to Snipping Tool and click it - a window should appear in your task bar titled Snipping Tool and it will ask if you would like to add it to your Quick Launch bar - click Yes and it will place itself to the right of your START button. Now, when you want to copy ANYTHING, whether it is normally something you can copy or not, you just click on the snipping tool - click NEW and drag an outline around the picture or entire window you want to capture and it will save it as a graphic image - one caveat is that it leaves a small red outline around your pic, but other than that it works great. If you don't like the red line you can get a program called SNAG-IT, which captures images without the lin e. Snipping Tool is free - Snag-It is not - however you can find it for free on http://www.filecrop.com - and I am not endorsing that method, if you choose to pursue it... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 From: thatc...@mediaguide.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested) you can always download the image. Even in Firefox. Just right click view Source then download the jpeg file. -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer Mediaguide On 10/12/2011 3:58 PM, Dennis Back wrote: It seems that ebay has done another update and it not a good one for the consumer. What is happening now is that when an auction is over (completed) ebay has now removed the seller's pictures that were posted to the ebay server. The only picture remaining is a very small thumbnail which is partly obliterated with the word ended. It should be noted that any pictures that the seller has posted on an external site such as photobucket or inkfrog, etc, is still visible on the completed auctions. This problem was originally thought to be a glitch that they were working on, but since being told this, I have read that this was fully intentional by ebay...probably to save server space. You ask one rep and they tell you something different (what else is new?). There is a temporary fix that you can do, though. In the address bar of the competed item, you can replace the .com with .ca or .co.uk or any other foreign ebay server address. This will let you see the completed auction with all the ebay photos. Some of the ebay customer service reps were clueless as to why I or anyone else would need to see ALL the ebay pics! One even said that the obliterated thumbnail of ONE pic was enough for us! As a side note about saving the pics, remember that you can save ebay pics if you use Internet Explorer and right click the photo. This does NOT work using Firefox. Hope this helps someone out there in phono-land. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested)
On your Mac, use the built in utility Grab. Sent from my iPhone -- Peter pjfra...@mac.com On Oct 12, 2011, at 6:52 PM, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: Another trick for downloading photos, since a lot of websites and sellers are posting flash pics, which do not respond to a right-click save: in VISTA or WIN 7 go to your START button, click on ALL programs - scroll down to accessories and click it - a list will appear - scroll down to Snipping Tool and click it - a window should appear in your task bar titled Snipping Tool and it will ask if you would like to add it to your Quick Launch bar - click Yes and it will place itself to the right of your START button. Now, when you want to copy ANYTHING, whether it is normally something you can copy or not, you just click on the snipping tool - click NEW and drag an outline around the picture or entire window you want to capture and it will save it as a graphic image - one caveat is that it leaves a small red outline around your pic, but other than that it works great. If you don't like the red line you can get a program called SNAG-IT, which captures images without the l in e. Snipping Tool is free - Snag-It is not - however you can find it for free on http://www.filecrop.com - and I am not endorsing that method, if you choose to pursue it... Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2011 18:01:58 -0400 From: thatc...@mediaguide.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay does it again (delete if not interested) you can always download the image. Even in Firefox. Just right click view Source then download the jpeg file. -- Thatcher Graham Senior Field Engineer Mediaguide On 10/12/2011 3:58 PM, Dennis Back wrote: It seems that ebay has done another update and it not a good one for the consumer. What is happening now is that when an auction is over (completed) ebay has now removed the seller's pictures that were posted to the ebay server. The only picture remaining is a very small thumbnail which is partly obliterated with the word ended. It should be noted that any pictures that the seller has posted on an external site such as photobucket or inkfrog, etc, is still visible on the completed auctions. This problem was originally thought to be a glitch that they were working on, but since being told this, I have read that this was fully intentional by ebay...probably to save server space. You ask one rep and they tell you something different (what else is new?). There is a temporary fix that you can do, though. In the address bar of the competed item, you can replace the .com with .ca or .co.uk or any other foreign ebay server address. This will let you see the completed auction with all the ebay photos. Some of the ebay customer service reps were clueless as to why I or anyone else would need to see ALL the ebay pics! One even said that the obliterated thumbnail of ONE pic was enough for us! As a side note about saving the pics, remember that you can save ebay pics if you use Internet Explorer and right click the photo. This does NOT work using Firefox. Hope this helps someone out there in phono-land. Dennis ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
UH-OH, have I been taken? I was told that my Edison C-1 is one of six known. According to the known serial numbers mine is the latest making it the last (accounted for) Diamond Disc machine. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike Oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. If I collected Gems on a large scale, it would be unusual to have. One dead give away that the paint is not original to the date of manufacture is the lid. Notice the flathead nails on the edges to hold down the glue failure? Near the nails are gouges that were painted after the nailing and in other spots are chips of the same type not painted. It looks to my eye like it was done years ago but still old enough for the lid to have become unglued in a hot attic or damp basement...see mold on cylinder. Or not Bruce M. - Original Message - From: Jay Horenstein jay.horenst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:19 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Yes, you have been taken, you should sell your C-1 to me for $1200 dollars and consider yourself lucky as it does not have nearly the paint job of that GEM ;-) Bill On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:18 PM, Bruce Mercer wrote: UH-OH, have I been taken? I was told that my Edison C-1 is one of six known. According to the known serial numbers mine is the latest making it the last (accounted for) Diamond Disc machine. I sincerely hope that is not the case. Bruce - Original Message - From: Mike Stitt smst...@gmail.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike Oldcranky ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Or perhaps more accurately half-vast. ? bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medvedsteve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-lphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I would not assume he is trying to cheat anyone. The paint does look aged and could have very likely been done when it was new.It looks professional, Although it was certainly not done at the factory, he may just not know that. -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:53 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Wow what a thread. I have a beautiful branded case gem, mint even with the recorder. I also have some decals from the 50's that are flowers. I'm willing to paint the whole thing black and add the flowers to the case and horn. I will throw in a very early Edison Gem horn that has no decal but Edison's script signature, like I said early. I will be careful applying the old water slide decals to the case and horn. I can add a bit of gold pin striping. I was thinking a satin black on the lid. Any offers? Now I'm not serious of course it's just too nice a Gem. Just making a subtle point. Done today horrifying, done fifty years ago double or triple the money? Now to be fair I collect many things I do appreciate age/value. I even have some folk art. Mike Oldcranky. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: My 0.02 is on a early 50s antique shop with a big pile of these to move out for 15.00ea original and $20.00 decorated. On 04/09/2011 10:13 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Ya know, I've done a good bit of assuming myself. He doesn't say anywhere that this was done at the factory. He just says its decorated and rare. Someone liked it enough to pay $1257 for it, I hope they didn't think it was factory decorated. John --- On Sun, 4/10/11, b...@taney.com b...@taney.com wrote: From: b...@taney.com b...@taney.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Cc: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sunday, April 10, 2011, 9:12 AM I would not assume he is trying to cheat anyone. The paint does look aged and could have very likely been done when it was new.It looks professional, Although it was certainly not done at the factory, he may just not know that. -- Bill Taney Sent From My iPad On Apr 10, 2011, at 6:53 AM, bruce78...@comcast.net wrote: He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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It does represent a spruced up GEM of times past. Not ever being factory should not be an issue. This independent refurbishment was common in the 20s and 30s due to the wonderful economic conditions of the times. Well preserved examples are less than common though. On 04/10/2011 11:39 AM, The Farmers wrote: What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I agree with you Greg Farmer. - Original Message - From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 12:39 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I have some very rare popcorn bowls or candy dishes that were made by Victor and they look like real records... very rare because I haven't seen many of them (thank goodness). Any takers for $600 before I list them on eBay and find a sucker willing to pay $1,000? ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Apparently it didn't hurt the price on this one... $1,200+ That's what is puzzling about eBay. Some great items go cheap, and others - like this GEM and the Frankenphone with the PVC horn elbow from a few weeks ago, go over the top. Don't get me wrong - the GEM was attractively done, but it would be great at $400-500, not $1,200. To: phono-l@oldcrank.org From: zonophone2...@aol.com Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 19:34:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? HI STEVE I AGREE I HAVE SEVERAL COLLECTOR FRIENDS WHO HAVE ONE OFF CASES THAT WERE DONE BY OWNERS OF THE PERIOD WITH SOME VERY FANCY EMBELISHMENTS I AGREE IT MAY HURT THE PRICE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTING JUST THE SAME ZONO -Original Message- From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list
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HI STEVE I AGREE I HAVE SEVERAL COLLECTOR FRIENDS WHO HAVE ONE OFF CASES THAT WERE DONE BY OWNERS OF THE PERIOD WITH SOME VERY FANCY EMBELISHMENTS I AGREE IT MAY HURT THE PRICE BUT THEY ARE INTERESTING JUST THE SAME ZONO -Original Message- From: The Farmers g...@usfamily.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sun, Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? What is the purpose of continuing to beat this seller's description? While we agree that it is highly unlikely the paint was applied at the factory, the paint is good enough that a seller without vast phonograph experience could easily think it looks as old as the machine, and therefore as far as he knows was applied at the factory. It looks like this seller sells lots of purses and boots, and is probably much more knowledgeable about those items than the average phonograph expert. If I had a purse to sell on eBay I could easily make wrong assumptions about it that the purse experts would laugh at too. And, whether painted at the factory or not, it looks very nice. If I owned it, I'd keep it and display it alongside my factory-correct Gems. -- Greg Farmer - Original Message - From: bruce78...@comcast.net To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? He said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factor, And where pray tell did he derive that knowledge from ? Me thinks very strongly, that it is a figment of his vast imagination !! - Original Message - From: Steven Medved steve_nor...@msn.com To: Phono-l phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 9, 2011 11:16:47 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Edison did offer special decoration but that was usually on the metal parts and not on the cabinet. I tend to think some amateur did this, though it is very nice. John Robles --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 8:20 AM I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 7:28 PM He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
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Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
My response as to how does he know it's factory was tongue in cheek. When I hear stuff like that or only 3 know to exist I always ask or think who told you that. I remember hearing only three of these phongraphs exist. I smiled and thought well I have one, that makes 4. I didn't say it tho' Mike Oldcranky On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 7:28 PM He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
Factory painted or not, I think it looks nice. If I wanted a gem, I would buy it, if the price was right. On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 7:50 PM, john robles john9...@pacbell.net wrote: So true about the rarity factor on ebay. Yesterday someone had a Victrola 50 on there listed as very old and rare, and it was priced at $1,700.00. Never mind that there are three others on ebay right now priced at around $350.00... John --- On Sat, 4/9/11, Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com wrote: From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Saturday, April 9, 2011, 7:28 PM He is also correct, it is original paint. It is not a copy of paint, it is original paint right out of a can and/or tube, and it is old. Now how old is not defined. To some 10 years is old to others one thousand is young. He is not claiming that this decoration was applied contemporaneously by Edison, he is just leaving the gullible to make that assumption. As the clear coat finish is cracked it was not done last week though. Everything on eBay is RARE L@@K! On 04/09/2011 07:44 PM, Vinyl Visions wrote: Mike, the reason that the seller knows that is obvious in his statement: Like most eBay items it starts with a statement of authenticity: Extremely rare! Body and case are wood, painted black, with gold trim on base and rose flowers and daisy on case. I have been collecting antiques for over forty years from coast to coast. This is the only one I have ever seen. So this is how he knows the paint is original: HE has NEVER seen one. :) Neither has anyone else, so maybe there is a reason for that... it is a one-off previous owner painted machine. It could have been painted by the original owner, shortly after it left the factory and the paint would be period authentic - 100 + yrs. old. The thing that looked non-factory, is that the flower design on the horn and the flower design on the case, were similar but not the same design/style. The horn had the same gold scroll work added as on the base - not a difficult task for an artist. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstromw...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Richrich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph Listphono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number:230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
As far as he knows is a very loaded statement. In other words within the realm of his knowledge. He is either a cheat or knows very little. Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:55:15 -0700 From: smst...@gmail.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Ward an interesting comment. How would the seller know that? On Sat, Apr 9, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Ward Sandstrom w...@bis.midco.net wrote: I contacted the seller days ago and he said that as far as he knows the paint was applied at the factory. He didn't put my question and his answer back in his auction. Ward S. - Original Message - From: Rich rich-m...@octoxol.com To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 12:09 PM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? Some of these enhancements were done in the early 50s, and during the depression to improve mail order saleability of used phonos. To tell what you are looking at you would have to be doing paint analysis to date it. Does not realy look Factory though. On 04/09/2011 11:23 AM, Steve Andersen wrote: I believe it was not done at the factory. Usually the factory would put special guilt on the casting, not the case. Either a jobber or an artistic owner did this. Steve On Apr 9, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Vinyl Visions wrote: I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real?
My 0.02 is on a early 50s antique shop with a big pile of these to move out for 15.00ea original and $20.00 decorated. On 04/09/2011 10:13 PM, Steven Medved wrote: Body and case are wood, painted black. Edison did not paint cases and lids black, especially covering his trademark decal on the lid. This did not come from the factory like that. From: vinyl.visi...@live.com To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 11:20:57 -0400 Subject: [Phono-L] eBay GEM - Is this real? I found an auction for an Edison GEM, with rose flowered horn and decorated case which matches and appears to be old... Question: did Edison ever produce a machine with a flowered case to match the horn - seller claims it to be VERY rare? eBay Item number: 230604577714 http://cgi.ebay.com/Edison-Gem-Phonograph-Rose-Flower-Horn-Case-Very-Rare_W0QQitemZ230604577714QQcategoryZ38029QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m1374QQ_trkparmsZalgo%3DPI%26its%3DC%26itu%3DUCC%26otn%3D5%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D8335346353050994345 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
[Phono-L] eBay Seller ID
LOL... here is an example of how using a seller ID in one country, translates slightly differently in another: http://cgi.ebay.de/Grammophon-Schellackplatten-Nadeln-Dose-/330507086721?pt=Radio_TV_Musikhash=item4cf3c1eb81 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] eBay Seller ID
Maybe he's from Vietnam or one of those areas that find man's best friend as a delicacy :) --- On Sat, 12/11/10, Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com wrote: From: Vinyl Visions vinyl.visi...@live.com Subject: [Phono-L] eBay Seller ID LOL... here is an example of how using a seller ID in one country, translates slightly differently in another: http://cgi.ebay.de/Grammophon-Schellackplatten-Nadeln-Dose-/330507086721?pt=Radio_TV_Musikhash=item4cf3c1eb81 ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
It probably is an all original machine-no new repro parts, just the ones it came with originally. The reproducer does look better than other crapophone units I've seen though. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of john robles Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:19 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :)It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud
Yes great Idea, buy it, take off the horn and sell it to Ron, and then smash that craponola to bits with a sledge hammer!! - Original Message - From: Ron L'Herault lhera...@bu.edu To: Antique Phonograph List phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 8:54:42 AM Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud I'd buy the horn. Someone sent me a hornless crapophone that I am altering to make it play better. Buy it. I'll give you $15 plus shipping for the horn. Ron L -Original Message- From: phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org [mailto:phono-l-boun...@oldcrank.org] On Behalf Of ronbr...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 16, 2010 11:37 PM To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Subject: Re: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud Yeh John, but you could pick it up for a bargain price of $0.99 and avoid the shipping cost as its right in your backyard isn't it? Its a steal at that price! :) It would be worth paying the 99 cents just to take it and smash it to bits. Ron -Original Message- From: john robles john9...@pacbell.net To: phono-l@oldcrank.org Sent: Mon, Aug 16, 2010 10:19 pm Subject: [Phono-L] Ebay Fraud So what else is new?? :-) Here is an item number that really burns me because of their claims in large type that this is an original machine. It burned me so much that I had to write to the seller with some education. Not accusatory, just informative. I know it's useless, but I couldn't help it...If this phonograph is from their own collection as they say, they must have a bunch of crap. Item number: 250683868557 John Robles ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org ___ Phono-L mailing list http://phono-l.oldcrank.org
