Re: [PLUG] [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT! UnPLUG 2021, The Year That Will Be!
Yeah, it was a great meeting. Thanks, Michael for hosting it. I can't wait until I go to Portland & get to use some of the Futel non-pay phones! On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 10:36 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > > Fun time tonight seeing faces that I hadn't seen in a long time. :) > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On Sat, 9 Jan 2021 01:16:17 -0500 Tomas Kuchta dijo: >Perhaps this is the time to try to setup NFS again and ask here for >specific help. I've done that, with dozens of messages and ultimately I had to give up. >Alternatively - just dump the files you want to transfer between >two/more computers to your Synology NAS and get them on another >computer(s). Right now the other computer (my desktop) basically does that - it accesses the files via the Synology. It works fine, but sometimes I want to view a file with the desktop and the file is new and hasn't been backed up yet. So I can't access it unless I first run a manual backup to the Synology, and then refresh the desktop's GUI file manager. I want to think of the Synology as nothing more than backup of the 31TB Thunderbolt 3 RAID0 array. The TB3 RAID0 array is what I should be accessing, not its backup. At least, that's what seems logical to me. ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 23:38:41 -0600 Bill Barry dijo: >Try searching sshfs gui. That is probably sort of close to what you are >looking for. I tried it. It was already installed. I tried sshfs and got 'need to specify destination,' so I specified the ip address of the other computer, which gave me 'address must be in brackets' (why?) so i added the brackets, and the error message was just repeated. I'm not impressed with sshfs. ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
You delete the linode after you save/backup its disk image. When you need it - you create/restore the vm from the stored image/backup. That is the way to go about it. Another alternative is to use powerful vm instance when needed, change it to the cheapest one when not in use. Tomas On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 19:58 Mark Allyn wrote: > How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the node > but not delete it, it is still be charged. > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > > my casual experience) > > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > > charge to store the image. > > > > Bill Barry > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On Sat, Jan 9, 2021, 00:50 John Jason Jordan wrote: > On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:23:17 -0800 > Tom dijo: > > >On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:04:56 -0800 > >John Jason Jordan wrote: > > > >> Yeah, yeah, NFS. Bah. I've tried to get it to work several times over > >> the years, and I've always failed. > >> > >> What would be really cool would be a GUI application that would do > >> this for me. No list of half a dozen scripts that probably won't > >> work. I just want to launch an app, have it search the local network > >> for other Linux computers, and present me with the drives/folders > >> that I might want to connect to. > >> > >> Why does this not exist? > Really Jon? Why don't you create it by volunteers for volunteers, for free Please educate yourself on what free, as in freedom, suppose to be about. J..sus!! This - is client server problem - it needs configuration on computer sharing file system as well as on the client computer accessing it. OpenSuse has gui to setup both client and server for NFS - Yast2. > > > >What specifically is your failure message when you've tried to setup > >NFS? > > I can't tell you that because the last time I tried was a couple of > years ago and I have no recollection of the exact messages. If I recall > correctly, there were no error messages; it just failed to work. > . Perhaps this is the time to try to setup NFS again and ask here for specific help. Alternatively - just dump the files you want to transfer between two/more computers to your Synology NAS and get them on another computer(s). -T ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:23:17 -0800 Tom dijo: >On Fri, 8 Jan 2021 21:04:56 -0800 >John Jason Jordan wrote: > >> Yeah, yeah, NFS. Bah. I've tried to get it to work several times over >> the years, and I've always failed. >> >> What would be really cool would be a GUI application that would do >> this for me. No list of half a dozen scripts that probably won't >> work. I just want to launch an app, have it search the local network >> for other Linux computers, and present me with the drives/folders >> that I might want to connect to. >> >> Why does this not exist? >> ___ >> PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org >> PLUG mailing list >> PLUG@pdxlinux.org >> http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > >What specifically is your failure message when you've tried to setup >NFS? I can't tell you that because the last time I tried was a couple of years ago and I have no recollection of the exact messages. If I recall correctly, there were no error messages; it just failed to work. ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On 1/8/21 9:04 PM, John Jason Jordan wrote: Yeah, yeah, NFS. Bah. I've tried to get it to work several times over the years, and I've always failed. What would be really cool would be a GUI application that would do this for me. No list of half a dozen scripts that probably won't work. I just want to launch an app, have it search the local network for other Linux computers, and present me with the drives/folders that I might want to connect to. Why does this not exist? Is Gigolo what you want? https://www.unixmen.com/how-to-access-remote-linux-and-windows-shares-with-gigolo/ -- Regards, Dick Steffens ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 11:05 PM John Jason Jordan wrote: > Yeah, yeah, NFS. Bah. I've tried to get it to work several times over > the years, and I've always failed. > > What would be really cool would be a GUI application that would do this > for me. No list of half a dozen scripts that probably won't work. I > just want to launch an app, have it search the local network for other > Linux computers, and present me with the drives/folders that I might > want to connect to. > > Why does this not exist? > Try searching sshfs gui. That is probably sort of close to what you are looking for. Bill ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] GUI app to access files on another Linux computer
Yeah, yeah, NFS. Bah. I've tried to get it to work several times over the years, and I've always failed. What would be really cool would be a GUI application that would do this for me. No list of half a dozen scripts that probably won't work. I just want to launch an app, have it search the local network for other Linux computers, and present me with the drives/folders that I might want to connect to. Why does this not exist? ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
How do you define 'not running'? With linode, if you power down the node but not delete it, it is still be charged. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:54 PM Bill Barry wrote: > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > my casual experience) > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > Thanks, > > > > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them > charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them > charge to store the image. > > Bill Barry > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 196, Issue 8
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:18 PM Mark Heimstaedt wrote: > What Time (timezone) is tonites jitsi meeting ? > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:00 PM wrote: > > It's in UTC-8 this time of the year. However, we already had the meeting last night. ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > my casual experience) > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > saved-but-not-running state > > Thanks, > I have used Digital Ocean, Linode, Google Cloud and AWS, none of them charge when your VM is not running, but as far as I know all of them charge to store the image. Bill Barry ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
I am also on Linode. But I have friends on AWS. Sure, the AWS mainline dashboard is confusing, however everyone I know use the Lightsail series of VPS nodes. They apparently are far easier to provision and understand. On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:36 PM wes wrote: > what has your experience with AWS been? for me, the initial setup is rather > confusing, but after that I just ssh in like normal. and stopping/starting > an instance is fairly painless, and they only charge you for storage while > it's off. > > -wes > > On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:22 PM Eric House wrote: > > > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > > my casual experience) > > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > > saved-but-not-running state > > > > Thanks, > > > > --Eric > > -- > > My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] PLUG Digest, Vol 196, Issue 8
What Time (timezone) is tonites jitsi meeting ? On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:00 PM wrote: > Send PLUG mailing list submissions to > plug@pdxlinux.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > plug-requ...@pdxlinux.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > plug-ow...@pdxlinux.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of PLUG digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: January Chat Thing? (Michael Dexter) >2. Re: January Chat Thing? (Tomas Kuchta) >3. TONIGHT! UnPLUG 2021, The Year That Will Be! (Michael Dexter) >4. Re: [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT! UnPLUG 2021, The Year That Will > Be! (John Jason Jordan) >5. Re: NAS failed (John Jason Jordan) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:41:34 -0800 > From: Michael Dexter > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] January Chat Thing? > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > On 1/6/21 12:55 AM, Vince Winter wrote: > > I am in, what time tomorrow? Jitsi was interesting and better then some > of > > the other video meeting software I have used. > > You are voicing the first clear interest in having a meeting and the > desired schedule was not clear in December. > > Shall I schedule something tonight? > > Michael > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 18:23:16 -0500 > From: Tomas Kuchta > To: "Portland Linux/Unix Group" > Subject: Re: [PLUG] January Chat Thing? > Message-ID: > < > capnct8japzdqllcanxkbvfmh4wo_r2ggm8qoimgp_pndhx4...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Apologies for ambiguous answer. > > Yes, I am in, if we have a speaker. > > It only take few minutes to login, no need to plan a trip. :-) > > Tomas > > On Thu, Jan 7, 2021, 17:41 Michael Dexter wrote: > > > On 1/6/21 12:55 AM, Vince Winter wrote: > > > I am in, what time tomorrow? Jitsi was interesting and better then some > > of > > > the other video meeting software I have used. > > > > You are voicing the first clear interest in having a meeting and the > > desired schedule was not clear in December. > > > > Shall I schedule something tonight? > > > > Michael > > ___ > > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > > PLUG mailing list > > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > > > > > -- > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 16:40:19 -0800 > From: Michael Dexter > To: Portland Linux/Unix Group Announcements > , Portland Linux/Unix Group > > Subject: [PLUG] TONIGHT! UnPLUG 2021, The Year That Will Be! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed > > Portland Linux/Unix Group General Meeting Announcement > > Who: You! > What: UnPLUG: 2021, The Year That Will Be! > Where: Online > When: Thursday, January 7th, 2021 at 7pm > Why: The pursuit of technology freedom > > Let's meet to talk about what you've been working on and what you've > learned during this unique year. > > https://meet.jit.si/pdxlinux > > PLUG is open to everyone and does not tolerate abusive behavior on its > mailing lists or at its meetings. > > PLUG Page with information about all PLUG events: http://pdxlinux.org/ > Follow PLUG on Twitter: http://twitter.com/pdxlinux > > Michael Dexter > PLUG Volunteer > > > -- > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:35:51 -0800 > From: John Jason Jordan > To: plug-annou...@pdxlinux.org > Cc: p...@lists.pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] [PLUG-ANNOUNCE] TONIGHT! UnPLUG 2021, The Year > That Will Be! > Message-ID: <20210107223551.6db56280@Devil-Thinkpad> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > > Fun time tonight seeing faces that I hadn't seen in a long time. :) > > > -- > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 22:55:27 -0800 > From: John Jason Jordan > To: plug@pdxlinux.org > Subject: Re: [PLUG] NAS failed > Message-ID: <20210107225527.2da66cdf@Devil-Thinkpad> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > > On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 10:38:07 -0800 > John Jason Jordan dijo: > > I bought one of the WD gold disks WD161KRYZ from Tech for Less for $455 > (they had only one), and when I went to buy another on eBay for $463 it > was already gone. Oh well. The current four year old WD reds in the > Synology seem to be still working OK, so no rush. I can get another one > on Newegg or Amazon for $514, but I'll keep watching until I find > another cheap one. It's much more pleasant to fix stuff when it ain't > completely broke. > > > -- > > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
what has your experience with AWS been? for me, the initial setup is rather confusing, but after that I just ssh in like normal. and stopping/starting an instance is fairly painless, and they only charge you for storage while it's off. -wes On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:22 PM Eric House wrote: > I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) > for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with > building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home > right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on > it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time > invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. > > Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: > > * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a > whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in > my casual experience) > * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running > * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a > saved-but-not-running state > > Thanks, > > --Eric > -- > My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! > ___ > PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org > PLUG mailing list > PLUG@pdxlinux.org > http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug > ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
Re: [PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
On Fri, 8 Jan 2021, Eric House wrote: I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in my casual experience) * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a saved-but-not-running state In the grand and honored tradition of not really answering your question... Have you considered scripting your installation of packages, configuration, and data rather than having to save your VM? Ansible can handle the first two (packages and configuration) pretty easily, while any accessible git repo or S3 bucket can deal with data installation. That would be my goal: script from scratch, rather than rely on full-system backups. On to your question: My understanding is that Google Cloud does not charge computing expenses for a stopped instance, though you're still charged for resources (disk, etc) attached to the instance. -- Paul Heinlein heinl...@madboa.com 45°38' N, 122°6' W___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
[PLUG] Recommend a cheap-when-stopped VM provider?
I've been using Linode for a few years (since SpiritOne got hijacked) for an always-on host. It's great. But I'm starting to play with building OpenWRT and need more disk space and CPU than I have at home right now. I'd love to fire up a powerful VM for when I'm working on it and not pay when I'm not -- but not lose the considerable time invested in setting up and downloading/building 20G of files. Linode doesn't do this. Who does? My wish list: * Just raw Debian. I'm happy ssh-ing in, and don't want to learn a whole new way of interacting with a VM (which is what AWS requires in my casual experience) * Powerful VMs available but billed only when running * Free, or at least really cheap, to leave a configured VM in a saved-but-not-running state Thanks, --Eric -- My g-bike can trounce your e-bike! ___ PLUG: https://pdxlinux.org PLUG mailing list PLUG@pdxlinux.org http://lists.pdxlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/plug
