Re: Odd deployment problem with mod_python

2007-03-19 Thread __wyatt

On Mar 18, 8:33 pm, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Ok, I'm going on hour four of pulling out my hair.. time to ask for
 some help here.

 I'm attempting to deploy a Pylons app using mod_python 3.3.1 under
 CentOS 4 and Apache 2.0.52, using Pylons 0.9.4.1 and Python 2.5.
 However, this is the traceback that I am getting in my Apache log when
 I attempt to access the application.

  return loadobj(APP, uri, name=name, **kw)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 213, in loadobj\n
  global_conf=global_conf)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 237, in loadcontext\n
  global_conf=global_conf)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 264, in _loadconfig\n
  loader = ConfigLoader(path)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 328, in __init__\n
  File %s not found % filename)\n
  OSError: File /home/my_username/my_project/development.ini not
 found\n

 This error clearly tells me that it can't find my development.ini
 file. However, I am certain that it exists at that path; I can copy-
 and-paste the filename directly from the error log. The permissions
 don't seem to be the problem either. Any recommendations?

Use mod_proxy? I found it to be much easier to deal with than
mod_python.

__wyatt


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Re: POST showing up as GET

2007-03-19 Thread Alberto Valverde


On Mar 17, 2007, at 6:28 PM, vga wrote:


 I've managed to get the toscawidgets 0.1a2dev_r2777 demo running under
 pylons 0.9.4.1 (well with minor changes to use myghty). But I've
 encountered a weird bug. The POST request from the demo form shows up
 as GET on the server side, which cause the @validate to never execute.
 Obviously this causes an exception due to nonexistent form_result.
 I've verified with ethereal that the browser is actually sending a
 POST request to the server, but it shows up as GET in the server
 request dict. Here is the TCP stream reassembled by ethereal:

(snip)

This is weird indeed. I've managed to reproduce the problem with  
unchanged PylonsTWSample though I haven't tracked down the source.  
The problem, however, doesn't manifest itself in other Pylons apps  
I've written (I would have noticed that long time ago... :) so I  
guess it must be some stupid bug in the sample. I'll probably rewrite  
that sample app soon with 0.9.4.1 and new helper code based on http:// 
tinyurl.com/26zyk9.

Alberto


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Re: POST showing up as GET

2007-03-19 Thread Graham Higgins

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On 19 Mar 2007, at 12:51, Alberto Valverde wrote:

 I'll probably rewrite that sample app soon with 0.9.4.1 and new  
 helper code based on http://
 tinyurl.com/26zyk9.

FWIW: I just checked this - I used the twsample app as-is and  
adjusted my 0.9.4.1/trunk set-up to follow the example described in  
http://tinyurl.com/26zyk9.

TWSample works exactly as expected.

's looking nice, Alberto.

Cheers,

Graham.



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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread primco

On Mar 18, 9:55 pm, Ben Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, primco wrote:

  So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw
  the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't
  understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that
  needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something
  like pylonscookbook?

 It seemed like an 'ok' abbreviation for pylonscookbook. I didn't
 think it'd cause any problems to abbreviate it slightly. But yet, at
 this point it does appear to late to change it, though its fairly
 easy to move pages between Spaces... so perhaps we can change it.

well, i'd like to know what others think. seems like a critical place
to be un-obscure.

davep


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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Ian Bicking

primco wrote:
 On Mar 18, 9:55 pm, Ben Bangert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Mar 18, 2007, at 9:08 PM, primco wrote:

 So why the abbreviation pys for pylons? It was confusing when i saw
 the url and thought it was some other python project. I just don't
 understand why you have to shorten it -- specially on something that
 needs to be newbie friendly. Is it too late to change it to something
 like pylonscookbook?
 It seemed like an 'ok' abbreviation for pylonscookbook. I didn't
 think it'd cause any problems to abbreviate it slightly. But yet, at
 this point it does appear to late to change it, though its fairly
 easy to move pages between Spaces... so perhaps we can change it.
 
 well, i'd like to know what others think. seems like a critical place
 to be un-obscure.

It's a weird acronym to me.  pylonscb would be more reasonable, or 
pcookbook, or pylonscooking, or something... there's no decent way to 
abbreviate pylons.


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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Kevin Monceaux

Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts,

On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons
 documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles
 or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons
 Trac-based wiki. 

I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation.  I've been
trying out both TurboGears and Pylons.  There are a few things I like
better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with
TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets.
It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas.  There are a couple of
things I'm wondering about:

Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web
development?  Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice?  And, if
primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better
choice?  

I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately
thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term
Pylons?



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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Bob Ippolito

On 3/19/07, Kevin Monceaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts,

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote:

  I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons
  documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles
  or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons
  Trac-based wiki.

 I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation.  I've been
 trying out both TurboGears and Pylons.  There are a few things I like
 better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with
 TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets.
 It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas.  There are a couple of
 things I'm wondering about:

 Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web
 development?  Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice?  And, if
 primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better
 choice?

 I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately
 thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term
 Pylons?

My first association with Pylons is always with Starcraft. The Protoss
race builds Pylons.. and without having a Pylon first you can't build
*anything*. Pylons provide the necessary power (Psi) to all of the
infrastructure around them.

http://www.battle.net/images/battle/scc/protoss/pix/general/basic02.jpg

-bob

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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Alberto Valverde


On Mar 19, 2007, at 7:59 PM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:


 Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts,

 On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote:

 I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons
 documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles
 or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons
 Trac-based wiki.

 I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation.  I've been
 trying out both TurboGears and Pylons.  There are a few things I like
 better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with
 TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG  
 widgets.
 It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas.  There are a  
 couple of
 things I'm wondering about:

 Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web
 development?  Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice?   
 And, if
 primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better
 choice?

Well, I guess it all boils down to the choice of a tool for a job. If  
the tool fits well it's purpose and it's already developed and  
usable, then who cares what technology is powering it behind the scenes?

Something positive can be said for Python for sure: how nicely it  
integrates with most languages. The syntax coloring is powered by  
pygments running under Jython :)

Alberto

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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Ian Bicking

Kevin Monceaux wrote:
 Fellow Pylons Enthusiasts,
 
 On Sun, Mar 18, 2007 at 02:10:00PM +, James Gardner wrote:
 
 I'm pleased to announce the launch of a new wiki for Pylons
 documentation where we would encourage you to contribute any articles
 or information which you would usually post on the current Pylons
 Trac-based wiki. 
 
 I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation.  I've been
 trying out both TurboGears and Pylons.  There are a few things I like
 better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with
 TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG widgets.
 It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas.  There are a couple of
 things I'm wondering about:
 
 Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web
 development?  Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice?  And, if
 primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better
 choice?  

I'm not psyched about a closed-source wiki, but I think worrying about 
self-hosting is largely a distraction.  Pylons isn't a wiki project, and 
it's not a documentation project.  It's a project that needs 
documentation.  Worrying about promotion in every tool used is a good 
way to get hopelessly distracted.  Good docs are way more important for 
Pylons and all the associated projects than self-hosting; and actually 
using other products is a good way to keep people from being distracted 
with tool building, which is easy to do when you are trying to document 
something, especially if you don't love writing docs.


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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Ben Bangert

On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:

 I'm very happy to see some additional Pylons documentation.  I've been
 trying out both TurboGears and Pylons.  There are a few things I like
 better about Pylons than TurboGears but I've been working mostly with
 TurboGears because of the available TG documentation and for TG  
 widgets.
 It looks like Pylons is improving in both areas.  There are a  
 couple of
 things I'm wondering about:

 Is choosing a J2EE based wiki really a good way to promote python web
 development?  Wouldn't a python based wiki be a better choice?   
 And, if
 primarily for Pylons wouldn't a Pylons based wiki be an even better
 choice?

Sure, and we'd love to see one. But between my full-time job, family,  
contract work, and open-source work on Pylons code itself I  
personally have zero additional time to launch a Pylons wiki-project.  
Using Confluence has given me some time to reflect on exactly the  
feature-set I do want in a wiki-type system, so someday when I do  
have time to work on such a project I'll know exactly what to put in.

The TurboGears folks launched a project called Docudu with a similar  
goal of providing documentation, a wiki of sorts, etc. which  
apparently ran out of steam as there weren't enough people willing to  
commit time to develop it.

Given the choice of working on a project and it not going anywhere  
fast, vs having something that works *now*, we choose now. The  
primary features I wanted were almost possible with MoinMoin, but  
would require a decent amount of footwork which no one had the time  
to do. If someone else wants to do all the work and setup a system  
I'll be happy to go over the requirements, but I doubt we'll have the  
resources to commit to such an endeavor at the moment. I did make  
sure that Confluence has enough Export options so that when such a  
Python/Pylons based system come into existence, we can switch to it.

On a side-note, thanks to some herculean effort by Phil Jenvey, we  
have a Python based syntax highlighter (Pygments) running under  
Jython in Confluence.

 I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately
 thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term
 Pylons?

Not sure, I didn't realize Land of the Lost references Pylons?

Cheers,
Ben

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Re: Odd deployment problem with mod_python

2007-03-19 Thread Shannon -jj Behrens

On 3/18/07, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok, I'm going on hour four of pulling out my hair.. time to ask for
 some help here.

 I'm attempting to deploy a Pylons app using mod_python 3.3.1 under
 CentOS 4 and Apache 2.0.52, using Pylons 0.9.4.1 and Python 2.5.
 However, this is the traceback that I am getting in my Apache log when
 I attempt to access the application.

  return loadobj(APP, uri, name=name, **kw)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 213, in loadobj\n
  global_conf=global_conf)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 237, in loadcontext\n
  global_conf=global_conf)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 264, in _loadconfig\n
  loader = ConfigLoader(path)\n
File /usr/local/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PasteDeploy-1.1-
 py2.5.egg/paste/deploy/loadwsgi.py, line 328, in __init__\n
  File %s not found % filename)\n
  OSError: File /home/my_username/my_project/development.ini not
 found\n

 This error clearly tells me that it can't find my development.ini
 file. However, I am certain that it exists at that path; I can copy-
 and-paste the filename directly from the error log. The permissions
 don't seem to be the problem either. Any recommendations?

 I'm using the deployment procedure and WSGI bridge described at the
 bottom of http://pylonshq.com/project/pylonshq/wiki/ModPython.

CentOS is an offshoot of Red Hat Server, and I've noticed that Red Hat
has ACLs that sometimes cause the system to pretend as if a file
doesn't exist.  Try temporarily turning them off to see if it fixes
your problem.  It's in security settings or something like that.

Best Regards,
-jj

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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread Kevin Monceaux

On Mon, Mar 19, 2007 at 11:24:00AM -0700, Ben Bangert wrote:
  
 On Mar 19, 2007, at 11:59 AM, Kevin Monceaux wrote:
 
  I get the Pylons name and logo but am I the only one that immediately
  thinks of Land of the Lost instead of electricity when I hear the term
  Pylons?
 
 Not sure, I didn't realize Land of the Lost references Pylons?

Pylons were an integral part of the Land of the Lost.  They controlled
just about everything from the weather to time.  Oddly, I wasn't able to
find a good picture of a Pylon on the 'net.  The only one I could find
is at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_of_the_Lost_(1974_TV_series)_geography_and_technology#Pylons

One can find a picture and a little info on Pylons at the link above.
The picture is not very good.


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formbuild questions

2007-03-19 Thread David Geller

Hi,

Is there a way to easily configure things in formbuild so that when 
calling form.layout.entry(content=,), where  is a call to 
a field (eg form.field.dropdown(...)), an additional read-only field 
would get created containing the original default value of the field?

This is so you can create a form for editing values with each pristine 
value adjacent to the widget for editing that value.

Thanks!

David

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Re: Odd deployment problem with mod_python

2007-03-19 Thread Deron Meranda

On Mar 19, 3:00 pm, Shannon -jj Behrens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 3/18/07, Jamie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   OSError: File /home/my_username/my_project/development.ini not
  found\n

  This error clearly tells me that it can't find my development.ini
  file. However, I am certain that it exists at that path;

 CentOS is an offshoot of Red Hat Server, and I've noticed that Red Hat
 has ACLs that sometimes cause the system to pretend as if a file
 doesn't exist.

Probably not ACLs, but rather It is almost certainly SELinux.

You can tell if you look in your syslogs (/var/log/messages) and see
things
like avc:  denied.  Also try running the command selinuxenabled,
or
id -Z, which will complain if SELinux is NOT enabled.

With SELinux enabled, Apache is locked down using mandatory access
controls so that it (or any of it's sub-processes) can not possibly
access any
objects/files which are not marked as being httpd content.  This is
usually a
VERY GOOD thing.

The quickest (but not the most secure way) is to disable SELinux
(see file /etc/selinux/config).

Or *better* is to allow your files to be read by Apache, something
like,

   chcon -r -t httpd_sys_content_t /home/my_username/my_project/

Deron Meranda


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Re: ANN: Documentation Wiki Launched

2007-03-19 Thread primco

anybody about to take a whack at trac or reStructuredText markup to
confluence converter?

I found this http://confluence.atlassian.com/display/CONFEXT/Trac+Importer

It at least has a start with the syntax.

Davep


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