Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Here's what's left for 2.5 after the most recent go around. There's no owner for these items. If no one takes them, they won't get done and I will move them to deferred within a week: * Add @decorator decorator to functional, rename to functools? What's the benefit of @decorator? Who made functional? It's new in 2.5, right? If so, move it or it will be functional for all 2.x. * Remove the fpectl module? Does anyone use this? It can probably be removed, but someone needs to do the work. This was my idea; I'm not really offering to do the work now and don't think that it's terribly urgent, so I propose leaving this until 2.6. Cheers, mwh -- dash it's like a bicycle dash but with internet -- from Twisted.Quotes ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Collin Winter wrote: I'd very much like to see functional renamed to functools, and I've cooked up the necessary changes to handle the move (SF #1478788). +1 since there are utilities like decorator and deprecated which belong in such a module, but don't fit within the functional programming meme suggested by the current name. If we're happy with the name change, I can make sure this change goes in before alpha 3 (probably sooner, to make it easier for anyone interested to work on a patch for @decorator). Cheers, Nick. -- Nick Coghlan | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Brisbane, Australia --- http://www.boredomandlaziness.org ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Neal Norwitz wrote: Here's what's left for 2.5 after the most recent go around. There's no owner for these items. If no one takes them, they won't get done and I will move them to deferred within a week: * Add @decorator decorator to functional, rename to functools? What's the benefit of @decorator? Creating decorators that don't hinder introspection. Who made functional? It's new in 2.5, right? If so, move it or it will be functional for all 2.x. * Remove the fpectl module? Does anyone use this? It can probably be removed, but someone needs to do the work. * new icons is lost and needs a shepherd to make python look spiffy I've already done the work for Unixy platforms. Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Neal Norwitz wrote: If you are addressed on this message, it means you have open issues that need to be resolved for 2.5. Some of these issues are documentation, others are code issues. Documentation missing: +++ Fredrik: ElementTree Gerhard: pysqlite Martin: msilib Thomas: ctypes Thomas, I know you checked in some ctypes docs. Is that everything or is there more coming? It seemed pretty short given the size of ctypes. If you don't expect to have time to finish these tasks, then it's your job to find someone else who will. I was fearing it is getting too long. How many pages do you expect or will you tolerate (yes, this is a serious question)? I could imaging three parts of the ctypes docs: 1. The tutorial, which is already checked in. 2. A reference manual, listing all the available functions and types (it will probably duplicate a lot of what is in the tutorial). 3. Some articles/howtos which cover advanced issues. I have the start of a reference manual, which is about 12 pages now. Incomplete, some sections are not yet or no longer correct, but you can take a look at it here: http://starship.python.net/crew/theller/manual/manual.html This could be completed and committed into SVN soon. Thomas ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 10:27:45AM +0200, Thomas Heller wrote: I could imagine three parts of the ctypes docs: ... 3. Some articles/howtos which cover advanced issues. Note that there's now a Doc/howto directory, so you could put articles there. The howtos aren't built as part of the documentation set, but maybe we should work on fixing that. Also note that one existing howto is in reST, the first use of reST in the Python docs. So integrating the howtos will mean supporting reST, and you can therefore write howtos in reST if that's convenient. --amk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:58:49PM -0700, Neal Norwitz wrote: If you are addressed on this message, it means you have open issues that need to be resolved for 2.5. Some of these issues are documentation, others are code issues. This information comes from PEP 356. There are also these items in the 'possible features' section: Modules under consideration for inclusion: - bdist_deb in distutils package (Owner: ???) http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-February/060926.html - wsgiref to the standard library (Owner: Phillip Eby) - pure python pgen module (Owner: Guido) - Support for building fat Mac binaries (Intel and PPC) (Owner: Ronald Oussoren) wsgiref is the most important one, I think. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. --amk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On 4/28/06, A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are also these items in the 'possible features' section: Modules under consideration for inclusion: - bdist_deb in distutils package (Owner: ???) http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-February/060926.html Isn't that MvL? - wsgiref to the standard library (Owner: Phillip Eby) I still hope this can go in; it will help web framework authors do the right thing long term. - pure python pgen module (Owner: Guido) I'm withdrawing this for 2.5 and resubmitting it to 2.6; I have no time to clean it up. I know it is possible using this code to create a Python source-to-bytecode compiler in pure Python (using tokenizer.py for the lexer and the compiler package as the bytecode generator, and accepting the latter's imperfections) but few people have that need and those that do can download it from SF. - Support for building fat Mac binaries (Intel and PPC) (Owner: Ronald Oussoren) Yes, this would be cool. wsgiref is the most important one, I think. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. -- --Guido van Rossum (home page: http://www.python.org/~guido/) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
At 07:38 AM 4/28/2006 -0700, Guido van Rossum wrote: On 4/28/06, A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - wsgiref to the standard library (Owner: Phillip Eby) I still hope this can go in; it will help web framework authors do the right thing long term. I doubt I'll have time to write documentation for it before alpha 3. If it's okay for the docs to wait for one of the beta releases -- or better yet, if someone could volunteer to create rough draft documentation that I could just then edit -- then it shouldn't be a problem getting it in and integrated. However, just to avoid the sort of thing that happened with setuptools, I would suggest, Guido, that you make a last call for objections on the Web-SIG, which has previously voiced more criticism of wsgiref than the Distutils-SIG ever had about setuptools. Granted, most of the Web-SIG comments were essentially feature requests, but some complained about the presence of the handler framework. Anyway, after the setuptools flap I'm a little shy of checking in a new library without a little more visible process. :) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 11:02:07AM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: I doubt I'll have time to write documentation for it before alpha 3. If it's okay for the docs to wait for one of the beta releases -- or better yet, if someone could volunteer to create rough draft documentation that I could just then edit -- then it shouldn't be a problem getting it in and integrated. Barring some radical new thing in alpha3, the heavy lifting of the What's New is done so I'm available to help with documentation. (The functional programming howto can wait a little while longer.) I assume all we need is the module-level docs for the LibRef? So, what's the scope of the proposed addition? Everything in the wsgiref package, including the simple_server module? However, just to avoid the sort of thing that happened with setuptools, I would suggest, Guido, that you make a last call for objections on the Web-SIG ... Agreed. Guido, another suggestion: an Artima weblog post about the proposal, so that blog commentators notice it. --amk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
At 11:54 AM 4/28/2006 -0400, A.M. Kuchling wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2006 at 11:02:07AM -0400, Phillip J. Eby wrote: I doubt I'll have time to write documentation for it before alpha 3. If it's okay for the docs to wait for one of the beta releases -- or better yet, if someone could volunteer to create rough draft documentation that I could just then edit -- then it shouldn't be a problem getting it in and integrated. Barring some radical new thing in alpha3, the heavy lifting of the What's New is done so I'm available to help with documentation. (The functional programming howto can wait a little while longer.) I assume all we need is the module-level docs for the LibRef? So, what's the scope of the proposed addition? Everything in the wsgiref package, including the simple_server module? Yes. simple_server is, coincidentally, the most controversial point on the Web-SIG, in that some argue for including a better web server. However, nobody has come forth and said, Here's my web server, it's stable and I want to put it in the stdlib, so the discussion wound down in general vagueness the last time it was brought up. ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On 28-apr-2006, at 17:07, Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: Who is the owner for getting new icons installed with the new logo? For the OSX icons, I guess Ronald Oussoren owns the task of getting them into the distribution. That's fine by me. I'll be adding them to the universal python 2.4 tree soon and to 2.5 when that's is done. Do have to wait for the contributor agreement, which the folks over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] say is good enough, to do that? Ronald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On 28-apr-2006, at 17:41, Martin v. Löwis wrote: - Support for building fat Mac binaries (Intel and PPC) (Owner: Ronald Oussoren) Yes, this would be cool. This is nearly committed. For some reason, SF apparently dropped my last change request for it, and Ronald's patch responding to this request, so it barely missed 2.5a2. Regardless, I guess Ronald will release his 2.5a2 binaries in the fat form. I hope this isn't a bad omen for this feature ;-). I've also had to resubmit one of my changes to this tracker item because SF dropped it. My 2.5a2 build will include this patch and will be a fat binary. Ronald ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Ronald Oussoren wrote: That's fine by me. I'll be adding them to the universal python 2.4 tree soon and to 2.5 when that's is done. Do have to wait for the contributor agreement, which the folks over at [EMAIL PROTECTED] say is good enough, to do that? If the artist has informally agreed to do that (so it is just the formal signing that takes time), go ahead. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: Who is the owner for getting new icons installed with the new logo? Nobody, so far (for Windows). Somebody should contact the owner and find out what the license on this work is, and then tell me what to do with them. I assume the py and pyc icons are to be replaced, and I also assume the Vista icons are to be ignored, but what about the other(s)? As I posted here previously, I contacted the owner, and he said that he didn't care about specifying a license. I guess that means that we can pick one ;) Georg ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Georg Brandl wrote: Martin v. Löwis wrote: Neal Norwitz wrote: Who is the owner for getting new icons installed with the new logo? Nobody, so far (for Windows). Somebody should contact the owner and find out what the license on this work is, and then tell me what to do with them. I assume the py and pyc icons are to be replaced, and I also assume the Vista icons are to be ignored, but what about the other(s)? As I posted here previously, I contacted the owner, and he said that he didn't care about specifying a license. I guess that means that we can pick one ;) If this is really possible (but I doubt that) I suggest we pick the license that Just had for his logo: If you do not agree with this LICENSE, you had better not looked at THE LOGO. http://starship.python.net/~just/pythonpowered/ Thomas ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Georg Brandl wrote: As I posted here previously, I contacted the owner, and he said that he didn't care about specifying a license. I guess that means that we can pick one ;) Can you please ask whether he would be willing to fill out a contrib form (http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/)? Without some kind of explicit contribution, I hesitate to use it. Regards, Martin ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
Here's what's left for 2.5 after the most recent go around. There's no owner for these items. If no one takes them, they won't get done and I will move them to deferred within a week: * Add @decorator decorator to functional, rename to functools? What's the benefit of @decorator? Who made functional? It's new in 2.5, right? If so, move it or it will be functional for all 2.x. * Remove the fpectl module? Does anyone use this? It can probably be removed, but someone needs to do the work. * new icons is lost and needs a shepherd to make python look spiffy * what's happening with these modules: timing, cl, sv? n On 4/28/06, A.M. Kuchling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 27, 2006 at 10:58:49PM -0700, Neal Norwitz wrote: If you are addressed on this message, it means you have open issues that need to be resolved for 2.5. Some of these issues are documentation, others are code issues. This information comes from PEP 356. There are also these items in the 'possible features' section: Modules under consideration for inclusion: - bdist_deb in distutils package (Owner: ???) http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/2006-February/060926.html - wsgiref to the standard library (Owner: Phillip Eby) - pure python pgen module (Owner: Guido) - Support for building fat Mac binaries (Intel and PPC) (Owner: Ronald Oussoren) wsgiref is the most important one, I think. If there's anything I can do to help, please let me know. --amk ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/nnorwitz%40gmail.com ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
On 4/28/06, Neal Norwitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's no owner for these items. If no one takes them, they won't get done and I will move them to deferred within a week: * Add @decorator decorator to functional, rename to functools? What's the benefit of @decorator? Who made functional? It's new in 2.5, right? If so, move it or it will be functional for all 2.x. The PEP responsible for functional (PEP 309) was written by Peter Harris, with the partial class (the module's sole member for a while) coded by Hye-Shik Chang and Raymond Hettinger. Comments in the module list Hye-Shik Chang as the maintainer. I'd very much like to see functional renamed to functools, and I've cooked up the necessary changes to handle the move (SF #1478788). Collin Winter ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
Re: [Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
[Georg Brandl] As I posted here previously, I contacted the owner, and he said that he didn't care about specifying a license. I guess that means that we can pick one ;) [Martin v. Löwis] Can you please ask whether he would be willing to fill out a contrib form (http://www.python.org/psf/contrib/contrib-form/)? Without some kind of explicit contribution, I hesitate to use it. Me too, but stronger than hesitation. Georg, if he doesn't sign a contrib form, we have no legal right to distribute his work, or to license Python's users to (re)distribute it either. That's just the way the world works. Or if the fellow just doesn't want to bother picking the initial license the contrib form requires, tell him to pick the Academic Free License, Version 2.1. Well, you should actually ask him to ask his lawyer to decide that with him, but since I'm not on hallucinogens at the moment, making the choice for him is the only thing that will work in the real world -- it just has to look like it was his choice ;-) ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
[Python-Dev] 2.5 open issues
If you are addressed on this message, it means you have open issues that need to be resolved for 2.5. Some of these issues are documentation, others are code issues. This information comes from PEP 356. The best way to get me to stop bugging you is to close out these tasks. :-) Who is the owner for getting new icons installed with the new logo? Code issues: +++ Fred, Fredrik, Martin: xmlplus/xmlcore situation re: ElementTree Jeremy: AST compiler issues We should really try to get these resolved soon, especially the XML issue since that could result in some sort of API change. The AST issues should just be bug fixes AFAIK. Documentation missing: +++ Fredrik: ElementTree Gerhard: pysqlite Martin: msilib Thomas: ctypes Thomas, I know you checked in some ctypes docs. Is that everything or is there more coming? It seemed pretty short given the size of ctypes. If you don't expect to have time to finish these tasks, then it's your job to find someone else who will. n ___ Python-Dev mailing list Python-Dev@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev Unsubscribe: http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/archive%40mail-archive.com
