[Ql-Users] QL Today
I am in the process of clearing my house to make it easier to run. Is anyone interested these days in paper issues of QL Today and of Quanta Magazine? These would, eventually, be available for collection in south London. If not, they'll be recycled as I dig them out. Christopher Cave mailto:cave...@btinternet.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
Nothing worse! On 20 June 2020 13:02:21 BST, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: >Norman, > >At your age you want to watch it. You might show your MSB, and the >nurse >might think it's your LSB. > >Dave > >On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 4:16 AM Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < >ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > >> :-) >> >> I'll have the nurses check! >> >> Cheers, >> Norm. >> -- >> Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. >> >> On 20 June 2020 10:05:33 BST, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < >> ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: >> >> format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at >the >> >right end >> >I do certainly hope your MSB is at the correct end, Norman :-D >(ooer >> >missus...!) >> > >> >Dilwyn >> >___ >> >QL-Users Mailing List >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> > > >-- >Dave Park >d...@sinclairql.com >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
Ha ha ha!!! :) Dilwyn On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 at 13:02, Dave Park via Ql-Users wrote: > > Norman, > > At your age you want to watch it. You might show your MSB, and the nurse > might think it's your LSB. > > Dave > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 4:16 AM Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > > > :-) > > > > I'll have the nurses check! > > > > Cheers, > > Norm. > > -- > > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > > > On 20 June 2020 10:05:33 BST, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < > > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > > >> format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at the > > >right end > > >I do certainly hope your MSB is at the correct end, Norman :-D (ooer > > >missus...!) > > > > > >Dilwyn > > >___ > > >QL-Users Mailing List > > ___ > > QL-Users Mailing List > > > > > -- > Dave Park > d...@sinclairql.com > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
Norman, At your age you want to watch it. You might show your MSB, and the nurse might think it's your LSB. Dave On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 4:16 AM Norman Dunbar via Ql-Users < ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > :-) > > I'll have the nurses check! > > Cheers, > Norm. > -- > Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. > > On 20 June 2020 10:05:33 BST, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users < > ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com> wrote: > >> format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at the > >right end > >I do certainly hope your MSB is at the correct end, Norman :-D (ooer > >missus...!) > > > >Dilwyn > >___ > >QL-Users Mailing List > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > -- Dave Park d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
:-) I'll have the nurses check! Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. On 20 June 2020 10:05:33 BST, Dilwyn Jones via Ql-Users wrote: >> format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at the >right end >I do certainly hope your MSB is at the correct end, Norman :-D (ooer >missus...!) > >Dilwyn >___ >QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
> format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at the right > end I do certainly hope your MSB is at the correct end, Norman :-D (ooer missus...!) Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] QL Today Assembly Language Book.
A bug was recently found in section 1.2.1 where I described the format of data in registers as having the most significant bit at the right end. Duh! That has been corrected. If you need a corrected copy, it's the June 2020 release at https://github.com/NormanDunbar/QLAssemblyLanguageBook/releases/latest although that URL always gets the very latest version. If anyone needs a printed version, "Tinyfpga" on QL Forum has sorted out a print on demand setup, with my blessing, where it is at a cost or around £10.00. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD - even more re-prints (but that's the last chance)!
Just a quick info: I got more inquiries over the weekend for more re-prints. I am very glad to see there is so much interest in the QL, in QL Today and QPC etc. ... I guess we all can take this as a kind of compliment. I don't want to turn anybody down, but this time it will be the final re-print ... definitely. So please spread the word wherever you can: if there's interest in QL Today Volume 17 (all 4 issues) together with the Bonus DVD including FREE FULL QPC2 V4, then it is time to order NOW! As all the previous re-prints are gone, I will do a (really) final print-run. I have enabled orders for the next week: http://smsq.j-m-s.com/ I will collect orders, have the issues printed next week and ship everything the following week. Best regardsJochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today DVD :- QPC2
On 19/10/13 19:25, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On 2013-10-18 07:36, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: Just curious, - what are you trying to run it on? Windows 3.1? Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000. Runs fine on Windows Vista. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Works on Windows 7... Derek Sometimes in Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium SP1 on my PC, I get notifications from Windows saying that a program running isn't compatible with the colour mode and it switches to Windows basic colours without transparency (aero glass or whatever) upon coming out of 'Sleep' or low power mode when I['ve left the PC on overnight. Usually there's only QPC2 running, occasionally Windoze Live Mail if I forget to close it down at the end of the day. QPC2 keeps running OK (well, apart from my occasional mis-programmings!) Most probably a driver issue, whether it be graphics or the 'sleep' power management, but QPC2 is the programming consistently open when the notification is given. Apart from that, no other issues came to light so far. Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Dilwyn, Usually the problem is how the Windows Operatin System is setup, I have found over the years, that the main problems surround the driver software that Microsoft write. Such a pity that native QL drivers could not access the hardware ports easily. OK TCP can be used, but I sometimes struggle to connect a browser from with QPC2. Derek ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today DVD :- QPC2
jms1 wrote: Just curious, - what are you trying to run it on? Windows 3.1? Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 2000. Runs fine on Windows Vista. This was not intentional but apparently happened with the switch to the Visual Studio 2010 compiler suite. The compiler does not support creating EXE files for Windows version less than XP SP2 anymore. But requiring a 10 years old OS doesn't sound too unreasonable. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today DVD :- QPC2
Dilwyn Jones wrote: Sometimes in Windows 7 64-bit Home Premium SP1 on my PC, I get notifications from Windows saying that a program running isn't compatible with the colour mode and it switches to Windows basic colours without transparency (aero glass or whatever) upon coming out of 'Sleep' or low power mode when I['ve left the PC on overnight. Had that happen occasionally on my industrial PC at work. And after having been forced to upgrade my laptop to Windows 7 zoomed QPC2 windows now like like sh*t whereas on XP on the very same hardware everything worked perfectly. Just not much I can do about it I'm afraid. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD (QPC2)
I thought I would just add my pwn comments on the sad demise of QL-Today. Many thanks for all of the efforts and contributions which have been made over the years - I always enjoyed reading the magazine and following various articles. It was interesting that, despite being a member of the QL-users mailing list and also the QL forums, there were always snippets of news which never found their way into other avenues of disseminating information. It was interesting to see that the former owner of SD Microsystems who wrote some of the early business software, acquired this issue out of interest and we have been talking about the QL Wiki. One minor comment that has come back from him is that the version of QPC2 on the DVD could not access his disk drives, whereas q-emulator could - seems very odd - has anyone else noticed this? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD (QPC2)
Op Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:34:05 +0200 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: ... One minor comment that has come back from him is that the version of QPC2 on the DVD could not access his disk drives, whereas q-emulator could - seems very odd - has anyone else noticed this? If q-emulator is running while starting QPC2 the drives may be locked for QPC. In SMSQ/E you can use WIN_REMV (from q-emu) to share the QXL.WINs, but that only works if no files are open. Else check the SMSQ/E configuration for the drives. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD (QPC2)
On 27/09/2013 10:59, Bob Spelten wrote: Op Fri, 27 Sep 2013 11:34:05 +0200 schreef Rich Mellor r...@rwapservices.co.uk: ... One minor comment that has come back from him is that the version of QPC2 on the DVD could not access his disk drives, whereas q-emulator could - seems very odd - has anyone else noticed this? If q-emulator is running while starting QPC2 the drives may be locked for QPC. In SMSQ/E you can use WIN_REMV (from q-emu) to share the QXL.WINs, but that only works if no files are open. Else check the SMSQ/E configuration for the drives. Bob I just checked it and it works from here - he may not have set up the devices properly, or, as you say, was using it with q-emulator at the same time... -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services Specialist Enuuk Auction Programming Services www.rwapservices.co.uk ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD (QPC2)
On 27/09/2013 10:34, Rich Mellor wrote: I thought I would just add my pwn comments on the sad demise of QL-Today. Many thanks for all of the efforts and contributions which have been made over the years - I always enjoyed reading the magazine and following various articles. It was interesting that, despite being a member of the QL-users mailing list and also the QL forums, there were always snippets of news which never found their way into other avenues of disseminating information. It was interesting to see that the former owner of SD Microsystems who wrote some of the early business software, acquired this issue out of interest and we have been talking about the QL Wiki. One minor comment that has come back from him is that the version of QPC2 on the DVD could not access his disk drives, whereas q-emulator could - seems very odd - has anyone else noticed this? I am in touch with Stephen on this one. He seems to be having general problems with QPC2 that are difficult to understand. I've got an idea on how to help him, but I have a little work to do on it. Incidentally because he was an early QL software developer (and also other early systems) he has a QL compatible printer, but he says he is having difficulties printing out from Qemulator, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24/09/2013 17:38, Per Witte wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; I don't think you should blame yourself. It is a universal problem in the QL community. in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The tragedy is that Norman now has had feedback and knows from the number of people that registered with him how much his articles were appreciated. I found it frustrating as editor of QL Today that we had very little feedback. In the later years there was a heavy emphasis on assembler and I wondered whether it was too technical for most readers. Given the reaction to Norman's registration offer I think perhaps not. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. I think one of the problems we have is that there are many people in the QL community who are loyal to the QL, but who are no longer active QL-ers. We should never forget how revolutionary the QL was at the beginning and how much that meant to people. Since the last issue was published I have had an email from a former trader from the black box days who came across some old issues of QL Today on eBay. He now seems to follow my website and is one of the people who bought a subscription to volume 17 to get the DVD. He has never seen QPC and is looking forward to trying it out. One of the things I like about the web is that you get feedback from the statistics although it is not easy to discover who are the QL-ers and who not. (I get numerous hits from China - their search engine robot!) Nevertheless I get an idea of what topics people are interested in. This is one of the reasons I think an in depth website would be a good idea, but, guess what, no feedback! Finally to get on my favourite hobby horse, the Quanta officers want the members to be apathetic. The organisation has frequently stifled discussion and the constitutional amendments in the last decade were designed to decrease democracy rather than increase it. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Thanks from me to our, all too few, faithful writers. I first felt QL Today was becoming editorially unviable 3 years ago, but we managed to go on for another 3 years. I particularly liked the practical nostalgia content of the final issue, Best wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Per Witte schreef op 24/09/2013 19:09: On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Per, Thank you for that oneliner ... but shouldn't the compiled prog be Minimise_obj (QLib) or Minimise_task (turbo) instead of Minimise_exe. Lack of feedback? You can't expect hunderds of feedbacks from a community of a few tens of persons, can you? This is the first reaction to your prog, I am sure others will follow. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Per Witte wrote: PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). Thanks for all the feedback so far! I've just arrived back from a (much needed) holiday in Istanbul. Of course QPC2 will be made available for all later on, but I want to finish the installer first and time is somewhat limited currently. Until then it remains an exclusive bonus for all loyal QLT readers. In the rush to finish for the DVD I've also revised the manual as much as I could. QPC2 v4 uses a new configuration scheme and even experienced QPC users should read the chapter about the new way things are done to avoid surprises. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Am 24.09.2013 um 19:09 schrieb Per Witte: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : All, I was about to write a review for the magazine, but alas,.. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 24 September 2013 22:35, François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be wrote: Per Witte schreef op 24/09/2013 19:09: On 24 September 2013 18:38, Per Witte pjwi...@online.no wrote: Great DVD! Nice last read! I particularly enjoyed Marcel's piece on how QPC came to be. Thanks for that. Now its over, mainly due to the lack of copy and readers, which in turn is probably due to much reduced activity. For my part, I stopped contributing due to the almost total lack of feedback. You spend hours of free time on something, doing your best to make it relevant, intelligible and enjoyable, and then pour it into a black hole. Pointless. In my case, it was probably the QL-community telling me to shut up and take up knitting instead; in the case of Norman and others, perhaps it was merely the silence of eager anticipation. The problem is it is virtually impossible to tell the difference! Duh! In a commercial environment feedback is amply provided in terms of profit/loss (and complaints), however on the free/open/voluntary scene it is much harder to tell whether more of the same is wanted, correction is needed, or whether its time to change tack. I think that this laziness(?) is one of the reasons for our rapid demise. Thanks to those who persevered for so long! Goodbye QLToady! Per PS I havent put QPC v4.00 though its paces yet. At the moment all I can say is that it just works! I think it was a splendid initiative to make it generally available (at least to all QLT readers). I hope we'll see a whole bunch of new QPCers come crawling and blinking out of the microdrive undergrowth and into the light to see what the fuss has been about these past 17 years. Perhaps therell be a mini-renaissance? So, heres a welcome gift to new and old QPCers: 1 REMark Minimise Button 2 REMark pjwitte Sep 2013 3 : 4 REPeat loop: BUTTON_WAIT MINIMISE,,,2: BEEP 2,2: QPC_MINIMIZE 5 : Compile and include in your boot program with EX pathMinimise_exe. If the Button frame is active itll put itself there. It requires Qmenu (menu_rext), a commercial proram by JMS, also included with many commercial PE programs from JMS and others. A must-have in the PE world. Per __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Hi Per, Thank you for that oneliner ... but shouldn't the compiled prog be Minimise_obj (QLib) or Minimise_task (turbo) instead of Minimise_exe. Lack of feedback? You can't expect hunderds of feedbacks from a community of a few tens of persons, can you? This is the first reaction to your prog, I am sure others will follow. François Van Emelen Hundreds would have been nice. Sometimes just one might have been enough. obj/task/exe: Notice I didnt specify which compiler? I didnt want to risk starting a war.. ;) Per ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
- Urs Koenig (QL) q...@bluewin.ch wrote: Ian Pine wrote: I tried the following: Launched SMSQmulator from DVD. Changed Config, adding a path for WIN3 to point to my folder and a non-existent .win file (new.win). I was able to use FORMAT command to create new.win and save a program to it. I edited my copy of SMSQmulator.ini, replacing the WIN1 path with C:\Users\ilp\SMSQmulator\new.win, then launched SMSQMulator from the copy in that folder. I now get the following message: Your SMSQE file is too old, please upgrade to the one that came with this version of SMSQmulator. Is it just me? ;o) Ian, what helped for me when getting similar messages in the past (SMSQ/E file cannot be not found or read or the like) is to make sure the following configuration section in SMSQmulator.ini points to the correct location of the right SMSQE file, e.g. # File containing the SMSQE code ROM_IMAGE_FIlE = C:\!MyToolBox\Q\Machines_under\J\SMSQmulator\v120-7\SMSQE or just holds the filename of the OS SMSQ/E file without the path of it # File containing the SMSQE code ROM_IMAGE_FIlE = SMSQE This is how SMSQmulator.ini is configured on the The Final DVD. I have chosen this way as the DVDs or HHDs drive letter can be different at each user. When it points to an older installation of SMSQmulator and hence to an older version of SMSQ/E messages like yours are what one might get. Also make sure that you don't have alien or orphaned SMSQmulator.ini files on you system (e.g. an old/misconfigured one in the users root directory.). Just my two pennies... Cheers, Urs ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm Thanks Urs, your two pennies were worth their weight in gold (if only I had some to send you :o). I now have it working. The ROM_IMAGE_FILE line was actually pointing at my new.win file instead of the SMSQE file. I hadn't even scrolled that far down - only going as far as editing the 'WINx =' section, so I've no idea what changed that. So the message about the file being too old was a red herring - it was not even an SMSQE file at all! Incidentally, when I used FORMAT to create new.win I gave it the number 50 thinking I'd get 50MB but the file is only 52k. Does the file grow as it fills up? Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 21:17 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD Geoff Wicks wrote: It was Jochen you have thank. I objected to the last two words on the grounds that there were no known QL-ers in Wales, Probably true, we all (3 of us?) probably use QPC2 now! Posted from a reinforced bunker at an undisclosed destination. The bunker-buster has just been launched ;-)) Dilwyn I think a Welsh bunker buster would be a rugby forward pack with some kegs of beer :) No sign of mine just yet. Bitter sweet for me, looking forward to reading it but very sad to see it go :( Peter ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 19/09/2013 15:16, Ian Pine wrote: My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I haven't tried this yet, sorry. Off the top of my head, make sure the file can actually be written to - often files copied from a DVD stay read only. HTH Wolfgang ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Ian Pine schreef op 19/09/2013 15:16: My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. My last QL Today arrived this morning Sad day for the QL community. Many thanks to all who contributed to this final issue and all the previous ones. Special thanks to Urs and contributors for the DVD. I suppose Dilwyn's entire freeware library is on the DVD. Now that QPC2 is free (thank you Marcel) , there is no longer any excuse for no using it. Fine day to all of you, François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
- Wolfgang Lenerz w...@wlenerz.com wrote: On 19/09/2013 15:16, Ian Pine wrote: My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I haven't tried this yet, sorry. Off the top of my head, make sure the file can actually be written to - often files copied from a DVD stay read only. HTH Wolfgang I checked the permissions for the files - full control for the user for all files. I tried the following: Launched SMSQmulator from DVD. Changed Config, adding a path for WIN3 to point to my folder and a non-existent .win file (new.win). I was able to use FORMAT command to create new.win and save a program to it. I edited my copy of SMSQmulator.ini, replacing the WIN1 path with C:\Users\ilp\SMSQmulator\new.win, then launched SMSQMulator from the copy in that folder. I now get the following message: Your SMSQE file is too old, please upgrade to the one that came with this version of SMSQmulator. Is it just me? ;o) Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Hi Norm, indeed - and I also know a source where to find a tutorial in many parts ... well written, well explained and with discussions too :-) Cheers Jochen nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk schrieb: Jochen, On the matter of assembly learning, I know a good mailing list ... ;-) Cheers, Norm. Sent from my HTC ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Ian Pine wrote: I tried the following: Launched SMSQmulator from DVD. Changed Config, adding a path for WIN3 to point to my folder and a non-existent .win file (new.win). I was able to use FORMAT command to create new.win and save a program to it. I edited my copy of SMSQmulator.ini, replacing the WIN1 path with C:\Users\ilp\SMSQmulator\new.win, then launched SMSQMulator from the copy in that folder. I now get the following message: Your SMSQE file is too old, please upgrade to the one that came with this version of SMSQmulator. Is it just me? ;o) Ian, what helped for me when getting similar messages in the past (SMSQ/E file cannot be not found or read or the like) is to make sure the following configuration section in SMSQmulator.ini points to the correct location of the right SMSQE file, e.g. # File containing the SMSQE code ROM_IMAGE_FIlE = C:\!MyToolBox\Q\Machines_under\J\SMSQmulator\v120-7\SMSQE or just holds the filename of the OS SMSQ/E file without the path of it # File containing the SMSQE code ROM_IMAGE_FIlE = SMSQE This is how SMSQmulator.ini is configured on the The Final DVD. I have chosen this way as the DVDs or HHDs drive letter can be different at each user. When it points to an older installation of SMSQmulator and hence to an older version of SMSQ/E messages like yours are what one might get. Also make sure that you don't have alien or orphaned SMSQmulator.ini files on you system (e.g. an old/misconfigured one in the users root directory.). Just my two pennies... Cheers, Urs ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
And, soon to be available as a PDF book! Once I sort out a couple of formatting problems! Cheers, Norm. Sent from my HTC - Reply message - From: Jochen Merz jm...@j-m-s.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD Date: Fri, Sep 20, 2013 14:07 Hi Norm, indeed - and I also know a source where to find a tutorial in many parts well written, well explained and with discussions too :-) Cheers Jochen nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk schrieb: Jochen, On the matter of assembly learning, I know a good mailing list ... ;-) Cheers, Norm. Sent from my HTC ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 19/09/2013 21:17, Dilwyn Jones wrote: Geoff Wicks wrote: It was Jochen you have thank. I objected to the last two words on the grounds that there were no known QL-ers in Wales, Probably true, we all (3 of us?) probably use QPC2 now! Posted from a reinforced bunker at an undisclosed destination. The bunker-buster has just been launched ;-) Dammit, I'd forgotten you were the Launchpad expert! Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:40, Norman Dunbar wrote: and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus I'll second that vote of thanks, thanks Marcel. My copy of QL Today has just arrived and, of course, I immediately tried QPC2. Wow! Many thanks indeed to Marcel and to everyone involved in the magazine and DVD. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On 19/09/2013 18:17, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On a personal note, as the first editor of the magazine, it was so nice that the last words on the back cover of the very last issue were in Welsh, not sure of that was a subtle and personal note or not, but in case it was (and knowing Geoff it might well have been) thanks for that and for the number of times my name appears in this last issue. Dilwyn Jones # It was Jochen you have thank. I objected to the last two words on the grounds that there were no known QL-ers in Wales, Best Wishes, Geoff Posted from a reinforced bunker at an undisclosed destination. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Hi Dave, no, you can still order it as written in the other mail. For the re-prints, I need at least 10 orders - and yours would be #3 already then :-) I guess we will get there. You can order here: http://smsq.j-m-s.com/ Jochen Dave Park schrieb: After going over my mail, I appear to have requested this whilst stoned out of my mind on painkiller drugs the day after I had all my wisdom teeth removed :) Jochen, is it too late to send you some money? :) Dave On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:40, Norman Dunbar wrote: and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus I'll second that vote of thanks, thanks Marcel. My copy of QL Today has just arrived and, of course, I immediately tried QPC2. Wow! Many thanks indeed to Marcel and to everyone involved in the magazine and DVD. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
I endorse that. On 2013-09-19 17:07, John Gilpin wrote: As Editor of the QUANTA Magazine for a number of years, I appreciate all the work that has gone into QLToday over the years. My personal thanks to Jochen and all others concerned and also from all the QUANTA Members who enjoyed the other Magazine as well. My last issue arrived safely earlier today in the UK. A tremendous effort on your behalf and the Magazine will be very sadly missed. Kindest regards to all, John Gilpin. Current QUANTA Treasurer and Membership Secretary. On 19/09/2013 15:59, QL2K wrote: Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
After going over my mail, I appear to have requested this whilst stoned out of my mind on painkiller drugs the day after I had all my wisdom teeth removed :) Jochen, is it too late to send you some money? :) Dave On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 9:53 AM, gdgqler gdgq...@gmail.com wrote: On 27 Aug 2013, at 13:40, Norman Dunbar wrote: and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus I'll second that vote of thanks, thanks Marcel. My copy of QL Today has just arrived and, of course, I immediately tried QPC2. Wow! Many thanks indeed to Marcel and to everyone involved in the magazine and DVD. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
On a personal note, as the first editor of the magazine, it was so nice that the last words on the back cover of the very last issue were in Welsh, not sure of that was a subtle and personal note or not, but in case it was (and knowing Geoff it might well have been) thanks for that and for the number of times my name appears in this last issue. It was me actually and it was deliberate, of course :) I very much hope that Jochen, Bruce and Geoff will remain involved with the QL for some time to come. I can only speak for myself, but yes, I will... it was a hard decision giving up QL Today, but I still use QPC every day. I also plan to start (learn?) programming in assembler again ... not having done this for over 10 years - and I also miss it. Thanks guys, I will miss QL Today. Thanks Dilwyn, I'm sure I'll miss it too. Cheers Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD - re-prints possible!
Just a quick info: as there seems to be demand for more issues, I still accept orders on my homepage http://smsq.j-m-s.com/ I will collect orders until middle of October. I need at least 10 for the re-print (otherwise it costs me much more to drive to the printer twice etc.) ... but so far we already have 2! That was quick. If I have 10 earlier (by the end of this month, for example), I will also do the re-print earlier and mail them as soon as I have them. Best regardsJochen WILLIAM WAUGH schrieb: And mine was on my desk when I got back from the weekly shop Wow a lot of stuff to investigate, of course QPC2, I have it already but not tried yet on this Win 8 box until today, seems to be OK more tinkering required Thanks to all concerned Bill From: QL2K q...@jadiam.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 15:59 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
As Editor of the QUANTA Magazine for a number of years, I appreciate all the work that has gone into QLToday over the years. My personal thanks to Jochen and all others concerned and also from all the QUANTA Members who enjoyed the other Magazine as well. My last issue arrived safely earlier today in the UK. A tremendous effort on your behalf and the Magazine will be very sadly missed. Kindest regards to all, John Gilpin. Current QUANTA Treasurer and Membership Secretary. On 19/09/2013 15:59, QL2K wrote: Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
And mine was on my desk when I got back from the weekly shop Wow a lot of stuff to investigate, of course QPC2, I have it already but not tried yet on this Win 8 box until today, seems to be OK more tinkering required Thanks to all concerned Bill From: QL2K q...@jadiam.com To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Thursday, 19 September 2013, 15:59 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Indeed, my thanks too to Jochen, Geoff and Bruce for all their work producing QL Today, along with everyone who wrote articles and subscribed to the magazine. On a personal note, as the first editor of the magazine, it was so nice that the last words on the back cover of the very last issue were in Welsh, not sure of that was a subtle and personal note or not, but in case it was (and knowing Geoff it might well have been) thanks for that and for the number of times my name appears in this last issue. I very much hope that Jochen, Bruce and Geoff will remain involved with the QL for some time to come. Thanks guys, I will miss QL Today. Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: John Gilpin Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2013 6:07 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD As Editor of the QUANTA Magazine for a number of years, I appreciate all the work that has gone into QLToday over the years. My personal thanks to Jochen and all others concerned and also from all the QUANTA Members who enjoyed the other Magazine as well. My last issue arrived safely earlier today in the UK. A tremendous effort on your behalf and the Magazine will be very sadly missed. Kindest regards to all, John Gilpin. Current QUANTA Treasurer and Membership Secretary. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Fine ... they have all been shipped as promised and should arrive sooner or later everywhere :-) Jochen QL2K schrieb: Hi All, I'll received QL Today this morning too... :) Jimmy. -Message d'origine- De : ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com] De la part de Ian Pine Envoyé : jeudi 19 septembre 2013 15:16 À : ql-us...@q-v-d.com Objet : [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD My final (for the foreseeable future) QL Today arrived this morning. I'm exploring the DVD. I've got both QPC2 and SMSQmlator (Java7 on Vista) running. SMSQmulator runs fine directly from the DVD but not much use with read-only filesystem. I copied all the files from DVD to a folder and ran it from there but keep getting this message: Can't read SMSQ/E file! : java.io.IOException: The process cannot access the file because another process has locked a portion of the file. I'm launching it by opening the folder and double-clicing the .jar file. The error happens even if I restart the computer and it is the first thing I run. No problems with QPC2 but the best display quality results in a tiny QL window within the QPC window - I can scale it up by setting the bottom resolution (under 'Window mode' checkbox) higher than that of the top resolution, but this usually results in a reduction in quality. Good fun playing, but I must drag myself away to tidy up and get dinner started before wife comes home from work and I go out to mine! Ian. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Received over here in Finland as well. Having been away from the QL scene for many, many years it is wonderful to have a comprehensive library of all back issues. Also, QPC2 is amazing, never tried it before. Thank you very much to everybody involved! Best regards, Petri On Thu, Sep 19, 2013 at 8:38 PM, Geoff Wicks gtwi...@btinternet.com wrote: On 19/09/2013 18:17, Dilwyn Jones wrote: On a personal note, as the first editor of the magazine, it was so nice that the last words on the back cover of the very last issue were in Welsh, not sure of that was a subtle and personal note or not, but in case it was (and knowing Geoff it might well have been) thanks for that and for the number of times my name appears in this last issue. Dilwyn Jones # It was Jochen you have thank. I objected to the last two words on the grounds that there were no known QL-ers in Wales, Best Wishes, Geoff Posted from a reinforced bunker at an undisclosed destination. __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Geoff Wicks wrote: It was Jochen you have thank. I objected to the last two words on the grounds that there were no known QL-ers in Wales, Probably true, we all (3 of us?) probably use QPC2 now! Posted from a reinforced bunker at an undisclosed destination. The bunker-buster has just been launched ;-)) Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD
Jochen, On the matter of assembly learning, I know a good mailing list ... ;-) Cheers, Norm. Sent from my HTC ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD order deadline
It's me again ... as my printer will start printing the issues on Monday, there's still today and tomorrow, the 1st of September, to place the order (I initially wrote 30th of August). The DVD looks great - and Marcel has added some long-missing features to QPC Version 4! I will start burning DVDs tomorrow and hope to have everything ready in time ... it will take many days, if not weeks, as the DVD is full and I do not burn them at highest speed, as this will decrease potential reading problems on some DVD drives (learned from the first DVD two volumes ago). A great issue with a great bonus - thanks to everybody who helped!! Cheers Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD order deadline
I do not know if I have the last edition or not but please snd me one and if it is extra let me have the price and I will forward it on. arnold From: Jochen Merz jm...@j-m-s.com To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013, 9:04 Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD order deadline It's me again ... as my printer will start printing the issues on Monday, there's still today and tomorrow, the 1st of September, to place the order (I initially wrote 30th of August). The DVD looks great - and Marcel has added some long-missing features to QPC Version 4! I will start burning DVDs tomorrow and hope to have everything ready in time ... it will take many days, if not weeks, as the DVD is full and I do not burn them at highest speed, as this will decrease potential reading problems on some DVD drives (learned from the first DVD two volumes ago). A great issue with a great bonus - thanks to everybody who helped!! Cheers Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD order deadline
... sorry Arnold, but how would you be able to have the last edition? (Assuming you refer to the issue, not to the volume) Once again: if you paid for Volume 17, you'll get issue 4, of course - NO EXTRA PAYMENT! (If you have not subscribed to Volume 17 AT ALL, you won't get it, and the last call for interested people who have not subscribed at all is tomorrow.) Jochen arnold.cla...@talk21.com schrieb: I do not know if I have the last edition or not but please snd me one and if it is extra let me have the price and I will forward it on. arnold From: Jochen Merz jm...@j-m-s.com To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Sent: Saturday, 31 August 2013, 9:04 Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Today + DVD order deadline It's me again ... as my printer will start printing the issues on Monday, there's still today and tomorrow, the 1st of September, to place the order (I initially wrote 30th of August). The DVD looks great - and Marcel has added some long-missing features to QPC Version 4! I will start burning DVDs tomorrow and hope to have everything ready in time ... it will take many days, if not weeks, as the DVD is full and I do not burn them at highest speed, as this will decrease potential reading problems on some DVD drives (learned from the first DVD two volumes ago). A great issue with a great bonus - thanks to everybody who helped!! Cheers Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
On 25/08/13 09:36, SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: ... and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus I'll second that vote of thanks, thanks Marcel. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: 27a Lidget Hill Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7LG Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
On 25 Aug 2013, at 22:23, Jochen Merz wrote: Hello Alan, sorry, I'm confused as well about the fact that you are confused. If you have subscribed for volume 17 (and you have, Alan), AND the subscription form stated 4 issues of which you received 1, 2 and 3, AND I refer to issue 4 coming up next and being the last one, AND we explained the situation about this issue 4 being the last issue in detail (as well as explaining why we deliver in September) in issue 3, why do you think you need to pay again? And why would you want to get the previous 3 issues again (as I wrote that people who subscribe now get all 4 issues in one go)? Best regardsJochen I'm confused too, especially as I did not receive Jochen's email which caused the confusion. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
gdgqler schrieb: On 25 Aug 2013, at 22:23, Jochen Merz wrote: Hello Alan, sorry, I'm confused as well about the fact that you are confused. If you have subscribed for volume 17 (and you have, Alan), AND the subscription form stated 4 issues of which you received 1, 2 and 3, AND I refer to issue 4 coming up next and being the last one, AND we explained the situation about this issue 4 being the last issue in detail (as well as explaining why we deliver in September) in issue 3, why do you think you need to pay again? And why would you want to get the previous 3 issues again (as I wrote that people who subscribe now get all 4 issues in one go)? Best regardsJochen I'm confused too, especially as I did not receive Jochen's email which caused the confusion. George Hi George, the mail was sent yesterday 10:36 CEST to the group and it seems to have reached most readers, as I got some orders and some kind feedback. Here it is again for you and everybody else who has not received it: Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well Available from J-M-S, of course! -- Jochen Merz Software - Kaiser-Wilhelm-Str. 302 - D-47169 Duisburg Tel. +49-(0)203-502011 Fax +49-(0)203-502012 Email: s...@j-m-s.com Homepage: http://SMSQ.J-M-S.COM ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Op 25/08/2013 10:36, SMSQ - Jochen Merz schreef: Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! Hi Jochen, Thanks for the info. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Sorry everyone - think this confusion is my fault, I put the wrong meaning on this bit have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe I'm on antibiotics at the mo - could explain a lot OTOH could just be age All the best - Bill From: François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 11:07 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise Op 25/08/2013 10:36, SMSQ - Jochen Merz schreef: Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! Hi Jochen, Thanks for the info. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Hi Bill, no worries - I just took it for granted that everybody who paid for the issues 1 to 4 expects issue 4 to be part of what has already been paid for without any extra payment, OF COURSE! Best wishesJochen WILLIAM WAUGH schrieb: Sorry everyone - think this confusion is my fault, I put the wrong meaning on this bit have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe I'm on antibiotics at the mo - could explain a lot OTOH could just be age All the best - Bill From: François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Sent: Monday, 26 August 2013, 11:07 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise Op 25/08/2013 10:36, SMSQ - Jochen Merz schreef: Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! Hi Jochen, Thanks for the info. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! -- Jochen Merz Software - Kaiser-Wilhelm-Str. 302 - D-47169 Duisburg Tel. +49-(0)203-502011 Fax +49-(0)203-502012 Email: s...@j-m-s.com Homepage: http://SMSQ.J-M-S.COM ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise
Hello Jochen I am a trifle confused. Am I paid up to date or do I owe for you to supply the final issue? Kind regards, Alan (Alan Horsley) -Original Message- From: SMSQ - Jochen Merz Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:36 AM To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! -- Jochen Merz Software - Kaiser-Wilhelm-Str. 302 - D-47169 Duisburg Tel. +49-(0)203-502011 Fax +49-(0)203-502012 Email: s...@j-m-s.com Homepage: http://SMSQ.J-M-S.COM ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hello Alan, sorry, I'm confused as well about the fact that you are confused. If you have subscribed for volume 17 (and you have, Alan), AND the subscription form stated 4 issues of which you received 1, 2 and 3, AND I refer to issue 4 coming up next and being the last one, AND we explained the situation about this issue 4 being the last issue in detail (as well as explaining why we deliver in September) in issue 3, why do you think you need to pay again? And why would you want to get the previous 3 issues again (as I wrote that people who subscribe now get all 4 issues in one go)? Best regardsJochen Alan schrieb: Hello Jochen I am a trifle confused. Am I paid up to date or do I owe for you to supply the final issue? Kind regards, Alan (Alan Horsley) -Original Message- From: SMSQ - Jochen Merz Sent: Sunday, August 25, 2013 9:36 AM To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] QL Today - Final issue, final orders and a surprise Hi folks, just wanted to report that the next issue of QL Today is under preparation. It will have 48 pages and will come again with a bonus DVD. Urs König is preparing the DVD and he reported it to be full. All issues of QL Today (including the next one itself) will be on the DVD in digital form and - a surprise: QPC2 Version 4 will be on the DVD - thanks to Marcel Kilgus in full version. Plus loads of other material - Urs was quite busy. I have reduced the subscription rate on http://smsq.j-m-s.com - if you don't want to miss issue 4, then you can still subscribe to the current volume and get all 4 issues in one go as soon as it is ready. Please note that the latest date to place your order is the 30st of August - I need to know the total print run by then. I will not be able to produce any re-prints as I used to do this in the past at the time of the next issue print, but as we will not have a next issue, it will not be feasible (costs are too high). I am very glad that we finished this volume properly with a positive big bang issue and not finish half-way or disappear like several other projects in the past did. It has been a great time and I want to thank everybody who helped in the past 17 years - editors, authors and readers! So don't miss the very final issue! Who knows, it may well be a collector's item in some years - and one thing is for sure: there won't be many! Jochen ps: the end of QL Today does not mean that I give up the QL! And if you like to use QPC, you may find that QPCPrint is something you need as well :-) Available from J-M-S, of course! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] QL today vol.17 issue 3
Hi all, Received my QL Today this morning. Unfortunately no subscription renewal. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] QL today vol.17 issue 3
I wonder if JMS will do a bumper last issue and go out in style? I also wonder if they'll offer a 1-off price for non-subscribers like myself? On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 8:14 AM, François Van Emelen francois.vaneme...@telenet.be wrote: Hi all, Received my QL Today this morning. Unfortunately no subscription renewal. François Van Emelen __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Dave Park schrieb: I wonder if JMS will do a bumper last issue and go out in style? If you were a subscriber you'd know :-) And I guess our subscribers will know it anyway. And anyway, most issues were bumper-issues. Like the current one: planned 32 pages, delivered 54 pages. I also wonder if they'll offer a 1-off price for non-subscribers like myself? No, so far it is only for full-year subscribers. Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 22 Mar 2013, at 23:46, Billy wrote: poorer and fewer perhaps he he all the best Bill Sent from my ASUS Pad and lesser? A lesser mortal (George) ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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At 23:46 22/03/2013 +, you wrote: If contributors - no matter how correct they may be - choose to 'publically' correct (even humiliate) contributors here [as I am unashamedly attempting to do now] the excellent spirit we all usually enjoy will be spoiled and some would-be contributors will become/remain 'lurkers'. We shall all be the poorer then. John in Wales Oh dear, what a load of pomp. I have lurked for a shorter time than the rest of you, may be 8 years, but it didn't take me long to realise Tony is quite a pedant. If the group was not so precious about OT I would have chipped in earlier re Bill Waugh, I knew a namesake many years agowhen living in Geordie land. His name was pronounced as Billy Yuff. When Eviilyn published his diaries in the 60's I recall a cartoon, son asks father what did you do in the war?. So why is Wii pronouncwd Wee ? What is a Wius ? like so many radii, Perhaps Wey aye is too Geordie. But back to the SUBJECT ! ! Why are all these geeks so unwilling to change the subject heading ? A lurker knows that the real matter will have drifted off after about ten. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 6:54 AM, David Tubbs davet...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: At 23:46 22/03/2013 +, you wrote: If contributors - no matter how correct they may be - choose to 'publically' correct (even humiliate) contributors here [as I am unashamedly attempting to do now] the excellent spirit we all usually enjoy will be spoiled and some would-be contributors will become/remain 'lurkers'. We shall all be the poorer then. John in Wales Oh dear, what a load of pomp. I have lurked for a shorter time than the rest of you, may be 8 years, but it didn't take me long to realise Tony is quite a pedant. If the group was not so precious about OT I would have chipped in earlier re Bill Waugh, I knew a namesake many years agowhen living in Geordie land. His name was pronounced as Billy Yuff. When Eviilyn published his diaries in the 60's I recall a cartoon, son asks father what did you do in the war?. So why is Wii pronouncwd Wee ? What is a Wius ? like so many radii, Perhaps Wey aye is too Geordie. But back to the SUBJECT ! ! Why are all these geeks so unwilling to change the subject heading ? A lurker knows that the real matter will have drifted off after about ten. __**_ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/**smsqe.htmhttp://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm I'm amazed we've got this far into the conversation without someone quoting Monty Python, (either 'This parrot is dead!' or the Roman grammar scene from 'Life of Brian'). Not only does spelling, bunktuation, grammar and emphasis have regional variation; it also has variation through time. This is so severe that the powers that be have to continuously publish updated versions of the publishing style manuals. I was taught, for example, that commas were not to be sprinkled liberally into sentences as if there were a European Comma Mountain. No, they should be used cautiously. They should give rise to a pause in the flow of a spoken voice. When used in pairs, if the text between the pair of commas was deleted it should not change the meaning of the sentence. It was very hard for me to understand that the rules I was taught were more restrictive than the norm. Now, I am burning off the comma supply as if the expiry date was coming up. To those who to struggle with ambiguity in communications with others, I say this: you're not right. You're not wrong either. They might be wrong, or they might simply have a more fluid and carefree grasp of English. QL-Users is not a classic tome to be passed down through the ages; some great work of literature. It is a string of sometimes-hastily crafted notes passed back and forth under the school desk. The many quips over the years about typos in QL Today did something to make the magazine more personal and human. These were not highly trained authors practicing their craft. They were QLers helping a fellow user. Which is, interestingly, also the primary purpose of this list. -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Not according to Mrs Bobbitt (: From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Sent: Friday, 22 March 2013, 9:17 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today On 21/03/13 23:51, Tony Firshman wrote: ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! Punctuation and spaces too are important: The pen is mightier than the sword. The penis, mightier than the sword. I'll get my coat and leave now! Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote, on 22/Mar/13 09:17 | Mar22: On 21/03/13 23:51, Tony Firshman wrote: ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! Punctuation and spaces too are important: The pen is mightier than the sword. The penis, mightier than the sword. I'll get my coat and leave now! Good one. Eats, Shoots and Leaves (Truss) - was that where that quote came from? That book is a classic example of the importance of grammar *and* punctuation. and a good read. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21 Mar 2013, at 23:51, Tony Firshman wrote: George Gwilt wrote, on 21/Mar/13 11:05 | Mar21: On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:06, Tony Firshman wrote: Thankyou to everybody for correcting my grammer, I am now considered told off. so I had better not tell you of for your spelling of 'grammar' then (8-)# A long time ago I used to pause while reading articles when I found faulty grammar. But I eventually came to the conclusion that it was more rewarding to take in what was written rather than how it was written. Even later I realised that the grammar we were taught at school is not a set of rules to be obeyed but a set of discoveries about how real people speak and write. Okay, back to the Cue Ell. ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! Which came first, language or grammar? George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I find some irony in that a thread about the demise of QL Today has degenerated into a conversation of violent agreement about grammar! -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 22 Mar 2013, at 15:00, Dave Park wrote: I find some irony in that a thread about the demise of QL Today has degenerated into a conversation of violent agreement about grammar! It's probably better than wondering what the plural of referendum is, which is exercising many in Scotland just now. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 22/03/13 15:52, George Gwilt wrote: plural of referendum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Terminology Referendums because, apparently, referenda doesn't mean more than one, in Latin. Wonder how far off topic this will lead us .. ;-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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I find some irony in that a thread about the demise of QL Today has degenerated into a conversation of violent agreement about grammar! It's probably better than wondering what the plural of referendum is, which is exercising many in Scotland just now. What? Is that more important than the Scotland v Wales match tonight? Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-Original Message- From: Norman Dunbar Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 3:57 PM To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today On 22/03/13 15:52, George Gwilt wrote: plural of referendum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Referendum#Terminology Referendums because, apparently, referenda doesn't mean more than one, in Latin. Wonder how far off topic this will lead us .. ;-) OK. Nearest word to 'Referendum' ...Referee. I know, let's discuss the standard of refereeing in a certain recent rugby match (without naming any teams, but it involved a 27 point difference in scores). Grammatically alone, this email should offer Tony plenty to discuss! Perhaps we ought to feed the emails through Geoff Wicks's Style Checker to see what it comes up with? There, back on topic! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Tony said - ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! No one, least of all those who write 'code', could fail to see the importance of this. But this list is open (and usually overtly welcoming) to everyone's' contribution. If contributors - no matter how correct they may be - choose to 'publically' correct (even humiliate) contributors here [as I am unashamedly attempting to do now] the excellent spirit we all usually enjoy will be spoiled and some would-be contributors will become/remain 'lurkers'. We shall all be the poorer then. John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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poorer and fewer perhaps he he all the best Bill Sent from my ASUS Pad QL-MyLink (f/fh) q...@mylink.adsl24.co.uk wrote: Tony said - ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! No one, least of all those who write 'code', could fail to see the importance of this. But this list is open (and usually overtly welcoming) to everyone's' contribution. If contributors - no matter how correct they may be - choose to 'publically' correct (even humiliate) contributors here [as I am unashamedly attempting to do now] the excellent spirit we all usually enjoy will be spoiled and some would-be contributors will become/remain 'lurkers'. We shall all be the poorer then. John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:02, peet vanpeebles wrote: On a personal note I'm terrible at thinking of things to write about so maybe people thinking up topics would be good. The hardest bit for me is just to start typing out something. Or what would people like to see reviewed etc? We have lots of interesting characters in the QL scene with a long history so maybe regular interview columns or old tales etc? It always surprises me how many different ways people use their QLs. This shows up for example in differing BOOTs. It would certainly interest me to have QL users describe their own BOOT programs. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:06, Tony Firshman wrote: Thankyou to everybody for correcting my grammer, I am now considered told off. so I had better not tell you of for your spelling of 'grammar' then (8-)# A long time ago I used to pause while reading articles when I found faulty grammar. But I eventually came to the conclusion that it was more rewarding to take in what was written rather than how it was written. Even later I realised that the grammar we were taught at school is not a set of rules to be obeyed but a set of discoveries about how real people speak and write. Okay, back to the Cue Ell. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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George Gwilt schrieb: On 20 Mar 2013, at 20:02, peet vanpeebles wrote: On a personal note I'm terrible at thinking of things to write about so maybe people thinking up topics would be good. The hardest bit for me is just to start typing out something. Or what would people like to see reviewed etc? We have lots of interesting characters in the QL scene with a long history so maybe regular interview columns or old tales etc? It always surprises me how many different ways people use their QLs. This shows up for example in differing BOOTs. It would certainly interest me to have QL users describe their own BOOT programs. Yes, me too. I published and explained my (rather complex) BOOT many many issues ago and asked for others, but there again - not much feedback. Jochen ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21/03/13 10:58, George Gwilt wrote: It always surprises me how many different ways people use their QLs. This shows up for example in differing BOOTs. It would certainly interest me to have QL users describe their own BOOT programs. How interesting! I have always been of the opposite view. Boot files are about as boring as you can get - to my mind - but, with a little thought, I can see where you are coming from. The boot file is obviously set up to help (or in my case, probably hinder) efficient use of the QL. My own boot file is basically the following: Enable TK2. Prog and data_use set to win1_. Lrespr Qpac2, DJToolkit, Turbo Toolkit, QMON2, Liberator Run-times and QD. WTV 4 Hot Pick for SuperBasic on key b. Hot wake for QPAC2 utilities on assorted keys: P Pick R Rjob F Files X Exec Z Wake Q QD Runs the clock in the button frame. Move along everyone, there's nothing to see here! :-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 21 Mar 2013, at 11:48, Norman Dunbar wrote: It always surprises me how many different ways people use their QLs. This shows up for example in differing BOOTs. It would certainly interest me to have QL users describe their own BOOT programs. How interesting! I have always been of the opposite view. Boot files are about as boring as you can get - to my mind - but, with a little thought, I can see where you are coming from. The boot file is obviously set up to help (or in my case, probably hinder) efficient use of the QL. My own boot file is basically the following: Enable TK2. Prog and data_use set to win1_. Lrespr Qpac2, DJToolkit, Turbo Toolkit, QMON2, Liberator Run-times and QD. WTV 4 Hot Pick for SuperBasic on key b. Hot wake for QPAC2 utilities on assorted keys: P Pick R Rjob F Files X Exec Z Wake Q QD Runs the clock in the button frame. Move along everyone, there's nothing to see here! :-) Well well! Quite a lot for me to learn here. Would make an interesting article for me at any rate. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 7:11 AM, George Gwilt grggw...@gmail.com wrote: On 21 Mar 2013, at 11:48, Norman Dunbar wrote: It always surprises me how many different ways people use their QLs. This shows up for example in differing BOOTs. It would certainly interest me to have QL users describe their own BOOT programs. How interesting! I have always been of the opposite view. Boot files are about as boring as you can get - to my mind - but, with a little thought, I can see where you are coming from. The boot file is obviously set up to help (or in my case, probably hinder) efficient use of the QL. My own boot file is basically the following: Enable TK2. Prog and data_use set to win1_. Lrespr Qpac2, DJToolkit, Turbo Toolkit, QMON2, Liberator Run-times and QD. WTV 4 Hot Pick for SuperBasic on key b. Hot wake for QPAC2 utilities on assorted keys: P Pick R Rjob F Files X Exec Z Wake Q QD Runs the clock in the button frame. Move along everyone, there's nothing to see here! :-) Well well! Quite a lot for me to learn here. Would make an interesting article for me at any rate. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm For those of us with lower skill levels, or 'less remembering' like myself and a few of the older QLers, :) conversations and comparisons of boot files open up a lot of opportunities to do things that we otherwise might not know we could do, or think to do. Mine simply loads TK2, then changes iNK and PAPER colors to white/black to increase contrast on my very poor monitor. As its dying act before removing itself, it simply states some system information: the current time, ROM version, speed factor, free_mem etc. -- Dave Park Sandy Electronics, LLC d...@sinclairql.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Well well! Quite a lot for me to learn here. Would make an interesting article for me at any rate. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm For those of us with lower skill levels, or 'less remembering' like myself and a few of the older QLers, :) conversations and comparisons of boot files open up a lot of opportunities to do things that we otherwise might not know we could do, or think to do. Mine simply loads TK2, then changes iNK and PAPER colors to white/black to increase contrast on my very poor monitor. As its dying act before removing itself, it simply states some system information: the current time, ROM version, speed factor, free_mem etc. This is the beauty of QL boot programs - you can do just about anything with them to suit how to use your QL. Since S*BASIC ( = Superbasic or Sbasic) is the scripting language on a QL, anyone with a moderate understanding of it can potentially create their own environment. If you use pointer environment, just about the simplest BOOT program would be: 100 TK2_EXT : REMark ensure Toolkit 2 active 110 LRESPR flp1_ptr_gen 120 LRESPR flp1_wman 130 LRESPR flp1_hot_rext 140 HOT_GO : REMark enable hotkeys job And you can build on it from there by adding your own toolkits and so on. Both QL Today and Quanta have published 'My Boot' articles over the years and there are one or two such articles on my website. There's an index to QL Today on my website http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/gen/qltoday/qltoday%20index%20vol%201-16.pdf and using that, if you have the QL Today disk with their back issues on them as PDFs you can catch up on any of these articles. I also wrote an article on the subject in Quanta mag, Feb/March 2010 (volume 27 issue 1). I could always put this on my website if anyone is sufficiently interested! Indeed, if there is interest and time available (the latter as ever is the big IF), I could compile the Helplines from my period on the committee to put on Quanta website (will need to check with our webmaster if there is likely to be plenty of space available on the new website). Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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-- From: Dilwyn Jones dil...@evans1511.fsnet.co.uk Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2013 7:10 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today Indeed, if there is interest and time available (the latter as ever is the big IF), I could compile the Helplines from my period on the committee to put on Quanta website (will need to check with our webmaster if there is likely to be plenty of space available on the new website). I once suggested that would be a good advertisement for Quanta and, in effect, was greeted with a two finger salute, Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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George wrote - A long time ago I used to pause while reading articles when I found faulty grammar. 'The Times' is in current QL-List mode. But it's especially concerned with the disposition and future safety of CHAR(39)! (16-03-13 etc.) John in Wales ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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George Gwilt wrote, on 21/Mar/13 11:05 | Mar21: On 20 Mar 2013, at 21:06, Tony Firshman wrote: Thankyou to everybody for correcting my grammer, I am now considered told off. so I had better not tell you of for your spelling of 'grammar' then (8-)# A long time ago I used to pause while reading articles when I found faulty grammar. But I eventually came to the conclusion that it was more rewarding to take in what was written rather than how it was written. Even later I realised that the grammar we were taught at school is not a set of rules to be obeyed but a set of discoveries about how real people speak and write. Okay, back to the Cue Ell. ... but grammar is the foundation of language *and* understanding. Let grammar slip and meaning becomes less clear, or even entirely different! Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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QL-MyLink (f/fh) wrote, on 21/Mar/13 21:19 | Mar21: George wrote - A long time ago I used to pause while reading articles when I found faulty grammar. 'The Times' is in current QL-List mode. But it's especially concerned with the disposition and future safety of CHAR(39)! (16-03-13 etc.) He he - and it's is also a classic conundrum. It is usually written, illogically, as its, and I accept that! There are really lovely ones, like the Tring Indian restaurant Olive Limes (great food BTW) which has a heading Starter's (8-)# Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Timothy Swenson wrote, on 19/Mar/13 23:42 | Mar19: On 3/19/2013 4:13 PM, nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote: It is produced using the Scribus publishing package which is available for free,form Linux, Windows and Mac (as far as I know). I've been a user of Scribus for about 6 years. I did an e-zine for about three years. I have some problems with the work flow of Scribus, mostly updating older documents, but something like QL Today would be fairly easy. I'm willing to volunteer to do the layout if others are interested in writing the articles. The end result will be a full color PDF file that can them be e-mail or hosted (like Dave Park who has volunteered his website). For those who have little or no Internet access, a volunteer in the UK or in Europe can print out copies and charge for it and the mailing costs. I'm guessing that the print copies will mostly be in the UK. I don't know if there will be many in Europe. Am I missing something here? Any software under any system, be it Windows, Linux or Mac, can print to pdf. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19/03/13 21:29, Lee Privett wrote: Norman can you write something for The SUN, loads more to follow. Aha! I sense a new direction coming on, Instead of killing off publications I like and subscribe to, I can write for the tabloids, and hopefully, kill them off as well. It troubles me a lot, that the best selling newspaper in the UK is the garbage known as The Sun. :-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 19/03/13 22:06, Tobias Fröschle wrote: Well you still got the internet (And I'm sure you ain't going to break that ;) ). I really insist (please) do continue somewhere. Thanks Tobias, I appreciate the praise, and I shall attempt to get something finished. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Morning Tony, On 20/03/13 08:26, Tony Firshman wrote: Am I missing something here? Probably not. Any software under any system, be it Windows, Linux or Mac, can print to pdf. True these days. However, would you want to set up a magazine in Notepad for example? When I did my tests a while back, I used a number of different systems to generate a PDF - Libre Office (or Open Office as it was then) which is simple enough, but has Image problems. (Getting the damned things to sit correctly and sorting out the flow! Amongst others.) Scribus was the best utility I used. It has a decent enough interface and work flow for something as simple as QL Today format, it is best probably because it is a Desktop Publishing system. Templates are useful - and both Libre Office and Scribus can use these. I think Word can also? The problem with a lot of print to pdf utilities is size. QStripper, for example, outputs a Quill doc in pdf format. When I first introduced it, it printed bitmap pages - which are huge. I soon sorted that to print proper non-bitmap pages. The resulting files are far smaller. Scribus, by it's very nature does the latter. And the quality settings can be adjusted to give smaller but poorer quality files or larger high quality ones. Just my £0.02. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Op Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:31 +0100 schreef Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk: Timothy Swenson wrote, on 19/Mar/13 23:42 | Mar19: On 3/19/2013 4:13 PM, nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote: It is produced using the Scribus publishing package which is available for free,form Linux, Windows and Mac (as far as I know). I've been a user of Scribus for about 6 years. I did an e-zine for about three years. I have some problems with the work flow of Scribus, mostly updating older documents, but something like QL Today would be fairly easy. I'm willing to volunteer to do the layout if others are interested in writing the articles. The end result will be a full color PDF file that can them be e-mail or hosted (like Dave Park who has volunteered his website). For those who have little or no Internet access, a volunteer in the UK or in Europe can print out copies and charge for it and the mailing costs. I'm guessing that the print copies will mostly be in the UK. I don't know if there will be many in Europe. Am I missing something here? Any software under any system, be it Windows, Linux or Mac, can print to pdf. Tony Yes. Most Office text software thinks the content is more important than the layout. They will mess up the layout to make the text fit. Publishing software like Scribus is more layout oriented, stick to it tell you when the text needs more room. A big difference from a designers point of view. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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From: Norman Dunbar nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Sent: Wednesday, 20 March 2013, 10:33 Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] QL Today On 19/03/13 21:29, Lee Privett wrote: Norman can you write something for The SUN, loads more to follow. Aha! I sense a new direction coming on, Instead of killing off publications I like and subscribe to, I can write for the tabloids, and hopefully, kill them off as well. It troubles me a lot, that the best selling newspaper in the UK is the garbage known as The Sun. :-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 Well if everyone bought as many newspapers as I do the problem would no longer exist but then who would tell taxi drivers what to think (apologies to any free thinking taxi drivers). How did PDF become so popular anyway, I find it a bit Parish Newsletterish (apologies to Parish mag editors) The recent development of Cloud (Cloudii) interests me, good idea but pricey a pocketful of sticks would do similar, perhaps The Sun could become electronic and available from your preferred Cloud . There you have it, my idea of hell, The Sun behind a cloud and the country governed by Taxi drivers, come to think about it ... Haven't got my QL Today jet so can't make much in the way of constructive comment ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote, on 20/Mar/13 10:45 | Mar20: Morning Tony, On 20/03/13 08:26, Tony Firshman wrote: Am I missing something here? Probably not. Any software under any system, be it Windows, Linux or Mac, can print to pdf. True these days. However, would you want to set up a magazine in Notepad for example? When I did my tests a while back, I used a number of different systems to generate a PDF - Libre Office (or Open Office as it was then) which is simple enough, but has Image problems. (Getting the damned things to sit correctly and sorting out the flow! Amongst others.) Scribus was the best utility I used. It has a decent enough interface and work flow for something as simple as QL Today format, it is best probably because it is a Desktop Publishing system. Templates are useful - and both Libre Office and Scribus can use these. I think Word can also? No no no - I mean no no no to using Word to design the document (8-)# I inherited the design of a magazine originally in Word. I struggled for a year or so. I then converted to M$ Publisher, and halved the compilation time. It was also a far better resulting publication. The problem with a lot of print to pdf utilities is size. QStripper, for example, outputs a Quill doc in pdf format. When I first introduced it, it printed bitmap pages - which are huge. I soon sorted that to print proper non-bitmap pages. The resulting files are far smaller. Scribus, by it's very nature does the latter. And the quality settings can be adjusted to give smaller but poorer quality files or larger high quality ones. Just my £0.02. He he not notepad. I am very familiar with Microsoft Publisher, and the PDFs I produce from that are pixel perfect. One can adjust the resultant pdf size easily. It was just that if anyone was to take on the task, then it would be far far better if they used a design package they were familiar with. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Bob Spelten wrote, on 20/Mar/13 10:58 | Mar20: Op Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:26:31 +0100 schreef Tony Firshman t...@firshman.co.uk: Timothy Swenson wrote, on 19/Mar/13 23:42 | Mar19: On 3/19/2013 4:13 PM, nor...@dunbar-it.co.uk wrote: It is produced using the Scribus publishing package which is available for free,form Linux, Windows and Mac (as far as I know). I've been a user of Scribus for about 6 years. I did an e-zine for about three years. I have some problems with the work flow of Scribus, mostly updating older documents, but something like QL Today would be fairly easy. I'm willing to volunteer to do the layout if others are interested in writing the articles. The end result will be a full color PDF file that can them be e-mail or hosted (like Dave Park who has volunteered his website). For those who have little or no Internet access, a volunteer in the UK or in Europe can print out copies and charge for it and the mailing costs. I'm guessing that the print copies will mostly be in the UK. I don't know if there will be many in Europe. Am I missing something here? Any software under any system, be it Windows, Linux or Mac, can print to pdf. Tony Yes. Most Office text software thinks the content is more important than the layout. They will mess up the layout to make the text fit. Publishing software like Scribus is more layout oriented, stick to it tell you when the text needs more room. A big difference from a designers point of view. Ditto M$ Publisher. I have been using that since the 90s and it does everything one needs in an easy accurate way. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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WILLIAM WAUGH wrote, on 20/Mar/13 11:34 | Mar20: snip Well if everyone bought as many newspapers as I do the problem would no longer exist but then who would tell taxi drivers what to think (apologies to any free thinking taxi drivers). How did PDF become so popular anyway, I find it a bit Parish Newsletterish (apologies to Parish mag editors) PDF has *nothing* to do with the design. We are talking of making PDF output form another package. The reason it is popular is that a PDF can be viewed without change by anyone. Even if one opens an original non-PDF document with the same program, display is often corrupted. The usual villain is font size. Word is particularly bad, especially as it has many flavours. The recent development of Cloud (Cloudii) interests me, good idea but pricey a pocketful of sticks would do similar, perhaps The Sun could become electronic and available from your preferred Cloud . There you have it, my idea of hell, The Sun behind a cloud and the country governed by Taxi drivers, come to think about it ... Haven't got my QL Today jet so can't make much in the way of constructive comment ___ BTW you need to set your mailer to use quote characters. Without them the email you were replying to (snipped) looks part of what you were saying. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Tony, On 20/03/13 12:15, Tony Firshman wrote: No no no - I mean no no no to using Word to design the document (8-)# I inherited the design of a magazine originally in Word. I struggled for a year or so. I then converted to M$ Publisher, and halved the compilation time. It was also a far better resulting publication. Proper tool for the job! Always best. My wife uses my knives to open tins that the tin opener has managed to leave closed. Aaaragh! He he not notepad. :-) I was being slightly less than serious! I have to admit. I am very familiar with Microsoft Publisher, and the PDFs I produce from that are pixel perfect. One can adjust the resultant pdf size easily. It was just that if anyone was to take on the task, then it would be far far better if they used a design package they were familiar with. Ditto me and Scribus. So I agree, use the tool you are most familiar with - as Jochen did when he was publishing QL Today. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Why do we have to think in terms of a magazine? What's wrong with a (simple) rolling website? Best Wishes, Geoff ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Hi Geoff, On 20/03/13 12:26, Geoff Wicks wrote: Why do we have to think in terms of a magazine? Good point. Maybe because we are discussing a replacement for a magazine perhaps? What's wrong with a (simple) rolling website? I cannot read a web site when I'm on a train or a plane. Nor can I read it when I'm in the bath - which is actually where I do most of my reading these days! :-) Also, Dilwyn has complained many times about the speed of his broadband link, so people who have less than speedy internet connections may have a problem. I agree that that applies to downloading PDFs as well, obviously. I love books and magazines, paper will never die I'm afraid, no matter how much we think we might want it to. My DocBook stuff, a seriously bad way to create a magazine I admit, but it can be used to create a web site and a PDF (and may other formats including ePub) from the same source file. Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Norman Dunbar wrote, on 20/Mar/13 12:31 | Mar20: Hi Geoff, On 20/03/13 12:26, Geoff Wicks wrote: Why do we have to think in terms of a magazine? Good point. Maybe because we are discussing a replacement for a magazine perhaps? What's wrong with a (simple) rolling website? I cannot read a web site when I'm on a train or a plane. Nor can I read it when I'm in the bath - which is actually where I do most of my reading these days! :-) Also, Dilwyn has complained many times about the speed of his broadband link, so people who have less than speedy internet connections may have a problem. I agree that that applies to downloading PDFs as well, obviously. I love books and magazines, paper will never die I'm afraid, no matter how much we think we might want it to. The British Museum thought that digitising its collection would be the answer for historians. They now find they simply cannot keep the data up to date with changing technology. Paper although seemingly fragile, remains readable after centuries, and maybe millenia - floods, earthquakes and all. Not fire! Digital data is far too fragile and hardware specific. Microfilm and microfiche are better than digitising. The transcripts of Nelson Mandela's trial were only on a specialised recording roll. To play them, the recorder had to be re-manufactured. Paper is readable by anyone anytime anywhere. I am with Norman. I got a 'free' sub to the Sunday Times Ipad version when I subscribed for the paper copies. I have given up even downloading it. It is *much* easier and more relaxing to read paper. Digitized versions are best for reference only. My DocBook stuff, a seriously bad way to create a magazine I admit, but it can be used to create a web site and a PDF (and may other formats including ePub) from the same source file. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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On 20/03/13 13:03, Tony Firshman wrote: Paper is readable by anyone anytime anywhere. In the foreword to one of his books, Arthur C Clarke explains the problems with being a writer. He apparently had a safe full of his old manuscripts, typed on various computers over the years and in numerous formats. None of them readable any more because there's nothing to load the tapes/discs/whatevers into and no software exists to read the files. Should have used Libre Office! :-) Cheers, Norm. -- Norman Dunbar Dunbar IT Consultants Ltd Registered address: Thorpe House 61 Richardshaw Lane Pudsey West Yorkshire United Kingdom LS28 7EL Company Number: 05132767 ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
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Apologies to all firstly for duplicate posting and also for this top posting reply ( I'm of the old school on this although pretty sure I could get used to it) Tony I take your point re quoting, baffled me for a while, think I may have got it though. I have of late been replying to mails direct from Yahoo site (due to too many genuine mails being put in spam) , a quick look didn't find a setting but it does seem set up for top replying and as I replied at the bottom it probably just lumped my text in with Normans, will investigate further and return to Thunderbird. All the best - Bill BTW you need to set your mailer to use quote characters. Without them the email you were replying to (snipped) looks part of what you were saying. Tony -- t...@firshman.co.uk http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
