RE: [ql-users] Very fast C5
I read that a while back and was somewhat intrigued ! 150 MPH in a C5, I'd rather not thank you. My Honda Civic does about 120, but not with me driving so there's no way I'd go that fast in a plastic pram. Mind you, the fastest I've ever travelled (on tarmac) was 175 MPH - on a Honda CBR 1000 motor cycle. Now that felt safer than my Civic :o) - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
-Original Message- From: Phoebus R. Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) 5. No matter how much you agree or disagree with Peter, you have to admit that we do not (because it's convenient or because we forget) include the OT: prefix in our mail subject lines when its appropriate... This alone could save a lot of trouble and similar phenomena in the future. Phoebus, as will have been noted from other posts, and also from a number of private posts I have received, many people thought that we were on topic so no need for the OT. Additionally, what's the point of putting OT anyway - when I download my messages, I get all the OT ones as well. OK, it might mean that I can not bother to read those posts, but the problem is deciding if it is OT for everyone, or only for some. Peter's attitude was totally unacceptable in my opinion, and that of those who emailed me privately. He doesn't own or run the list, and while we do sometimes get a bit 'way off topic' a polite reminder usually gets us all back on-line again. His feeble attempt at blackmail blew up in his face. Sure, we have no lost a hardware guru, but we still have Dexter, Nasta, Tony et al (in alphabetical order guys - honest) and at least they are able to have *constructive* opinions on hardware (and software) other than their own. And, check out the 'slant' of Peter's ad in QL Toady, he manages to get a nice dig in about QPC - even after all the correspondance on this list and in QL Toady over the merits of software or hardware solutions. I'm not into hardware so I won't miss Peter on this list. Others who are into hardware, may well miss him. However, isn't there a hardware list anyway, and if so, technically, all hardware discussions are off topic for this list. (I'm not too sure if there is a hardware list, but I believe Nasta may have mentioned it recently.) Anyway, this is one of the friendliest lists I'm on, so lets keep it that way. We're all in it together. Cheers, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
[ql-users] Minerva source code
I'm told that Lawrence tends to lurk on this list, so hopefully, he might see this. There is news that Minerva source is being 'opened' and I was wondering how to get hold of it, and if it would be possible to put it on my QDOS Internals web site as a download and/or as a full discussion with comments etc. Failing that, anyone want to ask TT if we can have the source for SMS :o) (Like that's going to happen !) Cheers, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Roy Wood Wrote:- I don't know about the rest of you but I have always seen this list as the cybernetic equivalent of the chat in the pub after a QL show. Very much so, I agree totally. Except cybernetic pints don't quite taste the same ;-)) There are some groups of people earnestly discussing some aspects of code or esoteric uses of hardware and others (like Dave Walker and I suddenly finding we have a shared liking for the music of Judie Tzukie) exploring other co-incidences of interest. Wasn't it Judy Tzuke? Stay with me 'til dawn? (whoops, off topic again..) SNIP Wear blinkers - get run down. Very true. Darren Branagh, Consumer Lending Business, Bank Of Ireland Card Services, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 01-6176368 (Direct Line)Fax: 01-6798717 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
[ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list (OT)
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 09:40:31, wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Roy Wood Wrote:- I don't know about the rest of you but I have always seen this list as the cybernetic equivalent of the chat in the pub after a QL show. Very much so, I agree totally. Except cybernetic pints don't quite taste the same ;-)) and you cannot ignore and move to another group. I don't mind OT as long as the main discussion is QL related. It is all part of a common QL discussion after all. I don't get cross at a choral concert if someone talks about the weather. I cannot understand people getting hot under the collar about all this and stamping feet. There is more to life. What does (mildly) upset me is people not snipping text and doing a bit of work to make replies clearer. . mind you that is often down to M$ mailers. Darren - where have you stashed your 500m (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list (OT)
Tony Firshman wrote:- I don't get cross at a choral concert if someone talks about the weather. I cannot understand people getting hot under the collar about all this and stamping feet. There is more to life. Agreed. Lets all lighten up a bit.. Darren - where have you stashed your 500m (8-)# I transferred it to the TF Services account as arranged, you can give me my cut once you've laundered it ;-)) I expect you're referring to the bloke in Baltimore who managed to Nick Leeson The Allied Irish Bank out of 860 Million Euro. A friend of mine here once met him at a conference in the US. I work for Bank Of Ireland, so it wasn't me - Rusnak is this blokes name!! AIB won't miss it - even when they write off this amount, big though it is, their pre-tax profit for the year will still be over 400 Million. It will hurt, but it won't break them the way Leeson did with Barings. 2 Billion was wiped off their share value yesterday afternoon. Still, you'd have thought they'd have learnt their lesson in options trading by now.. Darren Branagh, Consumer Lending Business, Bank Of Ireland Card Services, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 01-6176368 (Direct Line)Fax: 01-6798717 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses.
RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
-Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:36 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) Do you mean 'a real 68060 QL instead of emulators' That is pretty mild I think, or have I missed something. Yep, that's the one. I just thought it was 'slanted' following on from the recent discussions of the merits of H/W versus S/W and what was real and what was not. More like getting the last word in. I might be far to suspicious though :o) Regards, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] Very fast C5
One long straight road, with a kind half way along. (Off road I hasten to add !!) And the weather was, surprisingly fine, for Scotland. Norm. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:37 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Very fast C5 Mind you, the fastest I've ever travelled (on tarmac) was 175 MPH - on a Honda CBR 1000 motor cycle. Now that felt safer than my Civic :o) Well as long as it was dry and you were going in a straight line (8-)# This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:14:38AM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Bye bye then Peter. I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - but they are on-topic. There are at least 5000 newgroups and maybe same amount of mailinglists which deal MS and its virii and whatever else you may find interesting. There is just this one ql-users mailing list. I for one am glad to see discussions on virusses - especially if it means that other people on this list using inferior hardware (ie PCs) can avoid sending them to me, and the rest of us - the majority I suspect - who access this list from a PC. The PC is a fact of life and no matter how much we like the QL, it is not, and never has been, mainstream - much as I would like to have seen it. It was ahead of its time, and shafted too. A short mention of a new virus would be ok, but that was definitely too much and it keeps comming again and again. Give up, despite all warnings about new virii the situation will not get better and you can not do anything to salvage the poor MS Outlook abducted users. It is their choice to use this program so I am sure they can deal with it. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 12:13:21, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Do you mean 'a real 68060 QL instead of emulators' That is pretty mild I think, or have I missed something. Yep, that's the one. I just thought it was 'slanted' following on from the recent discussions of the merits of H/W versus S/W and what was real and what was not. More like getting the last word in. I might be far to suspicious though :o) I think, taking a deep breath, that this is unfair to Peter (8)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
Ok, then I apologise (he could be lurking) for the misreading. Sorry Peter. Regards, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 1:25 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 12:13:21, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Do you mean 'a real 68060 QL instead of emulators' That is pretty mild I think, or have I missed something. Yep, that's the one. I just thought it was 'slanted' following on from the recent discussions of the merits of H/W versus S/W and what was real and what was not. More like getting the last word in. I might be far to suspicious though :o) I think, taking a deep breath, that this is unfair to Peter (8)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
-Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list [ND] I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - [RZ] but they are on-topic Yes, I agree, and didn't say that they weren't. However, there is a ql-developers list for hardware ? So, effectively, all the hardware stuff in ql-users *is* OT in that respect - no-one has complained about that. There is just this one ql-users mailing list. And ql-developers for hardware :o) A short mention of a new virus would be ok, but that was definitely too much and it keeps comming again and again. Maybe. I *have* to subscribe to a 'new virus alert' list at work, and there are new MS virii almost every hour or so. If we had a short warning on all of these then we'd have no room for any QL stuff. As far as I remember, the conversation was to do with someone on the list sending virusses out to the rest of us. Very on topic to me - and a few others. I agree that general discussion that 'goes on and on' is OT. Give up, despite all warnings about new virii the situation will not get better and you can not do anything to salvage the poor MS Outlook abducted users. Indeed, and when we all get over to Linux the world will be a better place. But then the script kiddies will just change over as well, and we will have the Linux equivalent to the current MS situation. Mind you, security holes should be filled in quicker It is their choice to use this program so I am sure they can deal with it. Not always. I have no choice at work and that is where I am when I'm using this list. It *has* to be Outlook, warts and all. Regards, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: [ND] I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - [RZ] but they are on-topic Yes, I agree, and didn't say that they weren't. However, there is a ql-developers list for hardware ? So, effectively, all the hardware stuff in ql-users *is* OT in that respect - no-one has complained about that. Well, hardware *development* has an appropriate group, but general hardware discussion belongs here as much as anywhere... Can a listmom please write a charter for the list, which automatically gets mailed out to all new signups, and defines what's on or off topic, how large .sigs can be, etc? :o) Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. Dave ql.spodmail.com
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
-Original Message- From: Dave [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:22 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Well, hardware *development* has an appropriate group, but general hardware discussion belongs here as much as anywhere... I agree. Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Argh, typo! ql-fetish... The way some people go on about the QL it's *definitely* sexual... They say things like it's long, hard, black, and about 6 deep or insert OS here is the best... ;) Dave ql.spodmail.com Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board...
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
At 02:25 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Probably me (sleep with my Aurora every night - Much to my wife's chagrin...) Phoebus
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. Ian. -Original Message- From: dexter Sent: 07 February 2002 14:31 To: ql-users Cc: dexter Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Argh, typo! ql-fetish... The way some people go on about the QL it's *definitely* sexual... They say things like it's long, hard, black, and about 6 deep or insert OS here is the best... ;) Dave ql.spodmail.com Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. That would be: better than the board currently at ql.spodmail.com, not better than this list. Can you telnet or SSH? Dave ql.spodmail.com
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Can't telnet. SSH? Please excuse my ignorance of that particular TLA :O) -Original Message- From: dexter Sent: 07 February 2002 14:59 To: ql-users Cc: dexter Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. That would be: better than the board currently at ql.spodmail.com, not better than this list. Can you telnet or SSH? Dave ql.spodmail.com Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't telnet. SSH? Please excuse my ignorance of that particular TLA :O) SSH is the Secure SHell. It's essentially telnet by SSL... All traffic is encrypted both ways. Whenever you're telnetting to a Linux machine, SSH does the same job securely. Dave ql.spodmail.com
Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 08:51:08AM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: -Original Message- From: Phoebus R. Dokos [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 3:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) 5. No matter how much you agree or disagree with Peter, you have to admit that we do not (because it's convenient or because we forget) include the OT: prefix in our mail subject lines when its appropriate... This alone could save a lot of trouble and similar phenomena in the future. Phoebus, as will have been noted from other posts, and also from a number of private posts I have received, many people thought that we were on topic so no need for the OT. Additionally, what's the point of putting OT anyway - when I download my messages, I get all the OT ones as well. OK, it might mean that I can not bother to read those posts, but the problem is deciding if it is OT for everyone, or only for some. Peter's attitude was totally unacceptable in my opinion, and that of those who emailed me privately. what a looser.. everyone here has the right for at least one rant per year so what is your problem? He told his opinion and took consequences. Are you surprised that there were people who considered this list as QL related? If the general consensus (as you claim) is that more than 80% of talk on this list should be devoted to some M$ virus nonsense he won't be the last one to quit. Even for those for whom this might be relevant there are better sources of information, gather a few pointers and send them out as a FAQ next time this subject comes up. What's so wrong about getting a virus anyway? Millions of people get them every day, they can't all be wrong. Perhaps they like the thrill of it or need an excuse for not doing work, I suspect getting a computer virus is nowadays considered a vital part of socialization procedure.. some sort of prepubertal ritual if you know what I mean. Don't deprive the folks of it. Are we back to the kindergarten after almost 20 years existence of the QL? Would please finally someone write a really QooL virus for the QL so that we can consider it modern and trendy again and don't need to discuss other computers virii ?! Btw, out of 821 messages I have (selectively) archived of this group a mere 172 were sent using Outlook. Eudora 262, Turnpike 68, Bat 37, sylpheed 24, Lotus 6, Calypso 59, Mozilla 51, kmail 27, talk 1, pine 69, mutt 91. Totally incomplete and unrepresentative survey. Bye Richard
RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
-Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 3:11 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list) [ND] Peter's attitude was totally unacceptable in my opinion, and that of those [ND] who emailed me privately. [RZ] what a looser.. everyone here has the right for at least one rant per [RZ]year so what is your problem? (loser.) But as you say, we are all entitled to one rant a year. [RZ]Are you surprised that there were people who considered this list as [RZ]QL related? Not in the slightest. [RZ]If the general consensus (as you claim) is that more than 80% of talk on [RZ]this list should be devoted to some M$ virus nonsense he won't be the last [RZ}one to quit. Well, I never claimed 80%, or indeed any figures, so where you get 80% from I have no idea. All I said was, I reveived a number of private emails from people on this list who agreed that the subject was on topic. In fact 100% agreed. However, I did not get private emails from 100% of the people on this list, but there were, and still are, those who replied via the list, that it was on topic as well. I don't have any problems with the list being QL specific, that's what it is ther for, Peter threw a total wobbly and baled out, for nothing, or at least not a lot. That's all I remarked/ranted about. In other words, his totally childish attitude. Nothing else. [RZ}Even for those for whom this might be relevant there are [RZ}better sources of information, gather a few pointers and send them out [RZ}as a FAQ next time this subject comes up. Good idea. [RZ}What's so wrong about getting a virus anyway? Millions of people get them every day, they can't all be [RZ}wrong. Perhaps they like the thrill of it or need an excuse for not doing [RZ}work, I suspect getting a computer virus is nowadays considered a vital [RZ}part of socialization procedure.. some sort of prepubertal ritual if you [RZ}know what I mean. Don't deprive the folks of it. I hope your tongue was firmly in cheek there. [RZ}Are we back to the kindergarten after almost 20 years existence [RZ}of the QL? Peter certainly is - I'm not, and I don't suspect anyone else here is either. [RZ}Would please finally someone write a really QooL virus for the QL so [RZ}that we can consider it modern and trendy again and don't need to [RZ}discuss other computers virii ?! I like the use of 'QooL' much more street cred than that bloody awful 'Kewl' stuff you get on other NGs :o) [RZ}Btw, out of 821 messages I have (selectively) archived of this group [RZ}a mere 172 were sent using Outlook. Eudora 262, Turnpike 68, Bat 37, [RZ}sylpheed 24, Lotus 6, Calypso 59, Mozilla 51, kmail 27, talk 1, [RZ}pine 69, mutt 91. Totally incomplete and unrepresentative survey. So, not many non-PCs there then perhaps ? I'm pretty sure that we all agree that the list has gone OT on the subject now. I suspect I caused a bit of a stir when I had my annual rant - it certainly fired up a few people and increased the bandwidth a bit, however, I stand by what I said. Regardless of the fact that the discussions in progress at the time were or were not OT for a QL list, I think Peter's tantrun was out of place and uncalled for. What is wrong with a polite email asking people to take it privately if they want to finish the discussion, or please try to keep the discussions on QL related subjects etc. But to come on in and effectively resign just because a few emails not to his liking were received is a bit over the top. I'm a member of a few work related NGs, a few non-work related, and if the subjecty is off topic, a polite reminder is all that is required. It is simple and effective. Shall we call it a day now ? Cheers, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
At 02:59 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Web-based chat coming soon - much better than the current board... But then I wouldn't be able to read the messages as they arrive throughout the day like I can with email. Our web access is monitored. That would be: better than the board currently at ql.spodmail.com, not better than this list. Can you telnet or SSH? It won't help him much, since I suspect that as companies that size usually do, the keyboard clicks are also monitored (to avoid circumventions like that). Spyware as an art... He's right.. the best way even though not the most secure possible to get his QL news chit-chat etc. would be via email Phoebus
RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
SSH is the Secure SHell. It's essentially telnet by SSL... Ah, now SSL I have heard of. Can't do anything like that without prior approval, and that requires a business case. We're sewn (or should that be 'stitched'?) up tighter than a really tight thing in a jar with the lid screwed on tightly. I can't even stop those stupid disclaimers being appended to all my mails. At home, in the evenings I barely manage to find ten minutes to spare on 'the-machine-that-must-not-be-named' to read and respond to emails. Ian. -Original Message- From: dexter Sent: 07 February 2002 15:13 To: ql-users Cc: dexter Subject: RE: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can't telnet. SSH? Please excuse my ignorance of that particular TLA :O) SSH is the Secure SHell. It's essentially telnet by SSL... All traffic is encrypted both ways. Whenever you're telnetting to a Linux machine, SSH does the same job securely. Dave ql.spodmail.com Visit our website at http://www.ubswarburg.com This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. If verification is required please request a hard-copy version. This message is provided for informational purposes and should not be construed as a solicitation or offer to buy or sell any securities or related financial instruments.
[ql-users] [OT] Disclaimer, was ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
Ian, I can't even stop those stupid disclaimers being appended to all my mails. We are the same here. Our disclaimer is a bit stupid as well. It says 'This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it ' and it goes at the end so by the time you've read the email, then the disclaimer, it's too late. Ours was written by a legal firm. Say no more. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
Re: [ql-users] [OT] Disclaimer, was ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990. If the email arrives in your mailbox, and is addressed to your email address, then you are the addressee. If you face any criminal or civil liability as a result of your use/misuse of the information contained within, you could reasonably sue the company for negligence (they did mail it to you in error in the first place). Luckily, such disclaimers are legal nonsense - they're unenforceable, as has been proven in the UK and US in many cases. It's in the same category as clickwrap licenses... On the subject of virii and off-topicness, I would just like to say that it is *variety* that makes lists interesting, and as long as the discussion does eventually return to the subject matter at hand, that's ok. Dave ql.spodmail.com
RE: [ql-users] Partition
Yimply copy the QPC directory over to the D drive - assume C:\qpv2 to D:\qpc2. Copy the 'c:\qxl.win' file, or whatever you are using as a QL hard drive over to D:\qxl.win as well. Change the icon for QPC from C drive to D Drive. Right click, properties, then edit the targe or command line and if necessary the start in line as well. Double click the QPC icon, and whwn presented with the startup screen, click the WIN button to change the path to the win1_, win2_ etc drives from C: to d: as appropriate. You have now moved it over. To reduce the size of the D drive, you'll need 'partition magic' or similar, a full backup of C and D and a bit of luck. Don't use FDISK HTH Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - -Original Message- From: Arnold Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, January 01, 1990 6:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ql-users] Partition Hi all, I have a hard drive with 750mb on C drive and 250mb on D drive. I have QPC2v3 on C drive and I am short of space on C drive. D drive is not necessary. Question 1- can I remove the partition and if so how? Question 2- if partition cannot be removed can I install QPC on D if so how? Alternatively can I reduce the size of D drive easily?. Arnie This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 14:31:08, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Norman Dunbar wrote: Also, if anyone feels any specialist lists should be set up (ql-advocacy, ql-pubchat, ql-fetist anyone? ;) I run a listserver. ql_fetist - interesting. What's one of them ? :o) Argh, typo! ql-fetish... The way some people go on about the QL it's *definitely* sexual... They say things like it's long, hard, black, and about 6 deep or insert OS here is the best... ;) ... and gets hot (8-)# -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] Very fast C5
I read that a while back and was somewhat intrigued ! 150 MPH in a C5, I'd rather not thank you. My Honda Civic does about 120, but not with me driving so there's no way I'd go that fast in a plastic pram. Mind you, the fastest I've ever travelled (on tarmac) was 175 MPH - on a Honda CBR 1000 motor cycle. Now that felt safer than my Civic :o) Well as long as it was dry and you were going in a straight line (8-)# How the hell do you keep a C5 going in a straight line at 150mph or while accelerating that rapidly? (Must have had a QL under the bonnet controlling it!) -- Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.soft.net.uk/dj/index.html
Re: [ql-users] Partition
Arnold Clarke wrote: I have a hard drive with 750mb on C drive and 250mb on D drive. I have QPC2v3 on C drive and I am short of space on C drive. D drive is not necessary. Question 1- can I remove the partition and if so how? Yes, but you don't gain space by that because C will stay the same size. There are programs that can do something like that, one is for example Partition Magic, but even if you had it it's still quite risky. If anything goes wrong you could lose all data. Question 2- if partition cannot be removed can I install QPC on D if so how? Norman's explanation just came in, so I can skip this point ;-) Marcel P.S. on another topic: although virii sounds cooler, the plural for virus is definitely viruses. I wrote an article once about advanced replication techniques and thus had to investigate that point. ;-)
[ql-users] Sources
In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Swenson suggested, inter alia, the following book when I originally asked about books on computing: The Elements of Programming Style Kernighan and Plaugher I got it from the British Library and am attempting to devour it in a month. But really, I need a copy by my side to keep me on the straight and narrow of good programming. I reckon it to be a seriously good book - thanks Tim. Funny thing is that it was around back in the 1970-80s just when I was writing Fortran and PL/I. Would have done me and others a lot of good then. Christopher Cave
Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 04:48:03PM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: [RZ]If the general consensus (as you claim) is that more than 80% of talk on [RZ]this list should be devoted to some M$ virus nonsense he won't be the last [RZ}one to quit. Well, I never claimed 80%, or indeed any figures, so where you get 80% from I have no idea. it was approximately 80% of trafic the last few days and you were defending this practice, simple conclusion. [RZ}Are we back to the kindergarten after almost 20 years existence [RZ}of the QL? Peter certainly is - I'm not, and I don't suspect anyone else here is either. I suspect Peter is trying to do something useful with his time. It is kindergarten attitude however when we receive advices on something as trivial as reading mail. [RZ}Btw, out of 821 messages I have (selectively) archived of this group [RZ}a mere 172 were sent using Outlook. Eudora 262, Turnpike 68, Bat 37, [RZ}sylpheed 24, Lotus 6, Calypso 59, Mozilla 51, kmail 27, talk 1, [RZ}pine 69, mutt 91. Totally incomplete and unrepresentative survey. So, not many non-PCs there then perhaps ? it doesn't matter how many PC's or whatever, the point was that Outlook specific issues are interesting only for a fraction of the readers. Btw many of the listed mailers run on different platforms so the above survey doesn't tell much about the computers people use. What is wrong with a polite email asking people to take it privately if they want to finish the discussion, or please try to keep the discussions on QL related subjects etc. But to come on in and effectively resign just because a few emails not to his liking were received is a bit over the top. Just a few emails? How many discussions did we have in the last 6 months about: - Outlook and viruses - How to prevent Outlook from sending HTML mail People voiced their concern about this repeatedly but it didn't help much obviously. We should tolerate a modest level of offtopic messages but the last 4 virus discussions were a bit too much. Bye Richard
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Thu, Feb 07, 2002 at 02:10:22PM -, Norman Dunbar wrote: -Original Message- From: Richard Zidlicky [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 8:54 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list [ND] I think your hardware posts are pretty tedious - [RZ] but they are on-topic Yes, I agree, and didn't say that they weren't. However, there is a ql-developers list for hardware ? So, effectively, all the hardware stuff in ql-users *is* OT in that respect - no-one has complained about that. no. ql-developers has been hijacked by Linux geeks and is now mostly devoted to linux-q40. A short mention of a new virus would be ok, but that was definitely too much and it keeps comming again and again. Maybe. I *have* to subscribe to a 'new virus alert' list at work, and there are new MS virii almost every hour or so. If we had a short warning on all of these then we'd have no room for any QL stuff. As far as I remember, the conversation was to do with someone on the list sending virusses out to the rest of us. Very on topic to me - and a few others. I agree that general discussion that 'goes on and on' is OT. Give up, despite all warnings about new virii the situation will not get better and you can not do anything to salvage the poor MS Outlook abducted users. Indeed, and when we all get over to Linux the world will be a better place. But then the script kiddies will just change over as well, and we will have the Linux equivalent to the current MS situation. Mind you, security holes should be filled in quicker there will still be *BSD and when script kiddiez hack even that there will be still more choices. Besides, the Unix clones have a long history of hacking so they won't be so easy targets. It is their choice to use this program so I am sure they can deal with it. Not always. I have no choice at work and that is where I am when I'm using this list. It *has* to be Outlook, warts and all. Oh well, if your employer forces you to use Outlook he probably won't mind if the company network gets infected from time to time? I hope it is only rarely so extreme, most people can use at least some of the web based mailers. For those who use it voluntarily there is no excuse, either learn to cope with it or stop whining. Bye Richard
[ql-users] elf compilers
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[ql-users] Re: Q-less
Dave sez - BTW: I'm still QL-less... Scary huh? Malcolm sez - Well, if you ever visit England that can be cured :-) John sez - It can also be cured if you _prioritise_ (;) and that means coming to Wales...! One JM + Gold Card + Microvitec Cub Monitor + DD disks + all else necessary Collect within one year! ... then, if there's time, you can catch a bus and still go see Malcolm. Interested Dave? John in Wales
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
- Original Message - From: Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] There is clearly a need for a document on virus handling ... when I get time I will liase with you and we can put out an advice notice. Maybe on your website. Then whenever there is a problem with a virus we can refer to the advice to help out those in need. This is a good idea and I hope it can be implemented. I can appreciate the anger that some people feel about the discussion on viruses, but on this case there were special factors: 1: The virus came in on a pseudo ql-users message. 2: There is evidence that someone in the group was infected (and may still be). 3: The virus could not be detected by some scanning software (Norton 2002!) 4: It came in on a pseudo .txt file. My rant now: I know some on this group are M$ haters, but can we be polite and constructive M$ haters? It is some time since I have seen it, but in the past I have seen the term M$ crap used in this group. I associate that sort of language with immature schoolboys, and I find it difficult to take anyone who uses it seriously although, in fact, they may have some good points to make. Having said that my apologies if I was one of the protagonists in the virus discussion. There were parts of it that I found OT, but politeness meant replying. I tried to keep my OT replies as short as possible. Geoff Wicks.
[ql-users] this list
Hi! I couldn't read this list for 5 days or so, opened my email program, started downloading.. horror, shocks: almost 200 emails of [ql-users] mailing list. OK think positive, could be a good sign, ql world is alive. But then..Half of it full with off topic emails (mainly virus talking). Believe me, it's really hard work to work through all that emails that apparently don't belong there. The problem is, I basically like this list and I am interested in (and need) information about ql stuff, but on the other hand you have to pay a huge price / time (time _is_ _precious_) to find a little piece of ql information in the piles of off topic (OT) mails. Of course, nobody says a word, if one or two mails are OT. But what's happening here goes far to wait. I can only ask the people who it may concern, please read the welcome ql-users again, please discuss things where they belong Hope that someday this list is readable again, without losing almost all my spare time Bye, Claus __ powered by Q60 * Motorola 68060 / 80 MHz * 80 MB RAM * 30 GB Hard Disk
[ql-users] CF Cards and Hot-swapable readers.
Hi, since many people asked me about them: If I can get 20 orders for 64Meg 26x cards, the price will be 32.99 + sh For H/S reader the price right now is 22$ each HOWEVER the H/S readers are h/s only if you start the reader with a card inside (at least on a PC... I havent tested them on ANY QL/QL Compatible machine, but apart from that they are identical to the ones I already sold... Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Re: Q-less
At 09:44 ìì 7/2/2002 +, you wrote: On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, John Hitchcock wrote: Ok... someone is going to mention 50/60Hz I'm waiting. (:O( I'm building a powered backplane which will take power from a switched mode PSU. Such things as 50/60Hz and voltages won't be an issue. Why don't you ask Nasta for a Q-Plane? or Tony for a M-Plane (not good to re-invent the wheel) I'm also playing with ideas for Goldfire. Nasta's slowly working it through, and one day, it will be here. At that time, I hope to be able to case/package the card in a very interesting way - I think you'll be impressed... Picture a regular almost QL-looking device... ;) Wayy ahead of you there contact me if you are interested :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] Re: Q-less
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: Why don't you ask Nasta for a Q-Plane? or Tony for a M-Plane (not good to re-invent the wheel) I'm not making this for general sale. This is a one-off backplane with a good quality SMPS and test points, that will allow me to do testing and qualification of assembled boards - think of it as an EtherIDE test jig... Wayy ahead of you there contact me if you are interested :-) I'm interested... Email me :o) Thanks for all the hardware offers folks - I have a shopping list and a modest budget, and will be emailing you guys shortly :o) Dave ql.spodmail.com
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:14:38 - Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. it sucks if certain people don't stop to waste / steal my time with permanently off topic talking don't you understand, it's nice for _you_ to write what you want, but off topic mails are running ql users into problems who don't have 3 hours a day trying to find some ql related material in [ql-users] snip Maybe you think that everything on the list has to be QL/QDOS/SMQ/Q40/Q60/QPC (!) related you should read the welcome email, this list is about ql/sms! snip Because of the recent discussions on 'flo flo', I was able to see that I had a suspicious email this morning, and true to form, there was a virus attached, so someone on the list is still infected and sending it out. Maybe you are using Q40/Q60 and can avoid these things, but most of us have to take extreme care - especially those of us who read this list at work. (The virus was intercepted and deleted by our software, but others on the list might not be so lucky.) Maybe you even want those of us not using your hardware to catch the virusses on the go just now - so you can tell us all how wonderful Q40/Q60 is. Take your ball and go home then. please read the welcome email ( I cite): Off topic discussions (not related to QL/SMS) are not appreciated. Being a member of this list is a privilege and you may lose that privilege if you abuse your subscription. Seems the latter is needed, there are some people who don't want to listen... kindergarten, eh? END RANT MODE Now, having said all that, regardless of whether you re-join or not, and I'll be glad to see you return, I sincerely wish you every success with sales and development of Q40/Q60. One day, I hope to be able to have one - wife permitting of course. Good Luck. Sorry about that rant above everyone, but this tedious attitude from some people that 'only their way is right' gets on my t*ts ! you must be talking of yourself. The fact is: Off topic emails are breaking the rules of this list, see above. Peter (and a lot of others) are the victims, please don't forget that. Converting the victims into gulty ones is perversion. Regards, Norman. (Having a somewhat bad day already - sorry!) Claus __ powered by Q60 * Motorola 68060 / 80 MHz * 80 MB RAM * 30 GB Hard Disk
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 21:24:38 + Malcolm Cadman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] uk, Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE Snipped :-) END RANT MODE A lot of your 'rant' needed to said. Yet we have to be tolerant of each other, and, thankfully we are. is it tolerant to raise a stink about someone leaving the list because others break the rules of this list? BTW: The list owner asks us to be _on topic_, not to be tolerant (similar to off topic in the way you use it here ) Malcolm Cadman Claus -- __ powered by Q60 * Motorola 68060 / 80 MHz * 80 MB RAM * 30 GB Hard Disk
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:40:28 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The I'm not playing anymore attitude is great when you're seven years old, kinda wears out after that. Guess what? Some people have grown up, need to go to work and don't have the full day to filter a grain of ql info out of [ql-users] Darren Branagh, Claus -- __ powered by Q60 * Motorola 68060 / 80 MHz * 80 MB RAM * 30 GB Hard Disk
[ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
At 11:25 ìì 7/2/2002 +0100, you wrote: The fact is: Off topic emails are breaking the rules of this list, see above. Peter (and a lot of others) are the victims, please don't forget that. Converting the victims into gulty ones is perversion. Although I don't think that anyone wants to turn anyone into victim or victor (maybe I am far too idealistic... I don't know), Claus is absolutely right on the rules of Ql-users QL Users welcoming email does set the rules and the rules do not include M$... As I said in a previous email there are ways to settle this once and for all: a. Either the moderator sets clearly the rules and that's that b. The list votes c. We create a couple of separate lists like for example: Ql-chat... This way everyone's happy and we don't have too much trouble I am subscribed to all major ql lists and I don't see a problem being (or not) a part in another one... At least we could give ppl the option :-) Phoebus
Re: [ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 22:54:42, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: c. We create a couple of separate lists like for example: Ql-chat... This way everyone's happy and we don't have too much trouble Which is what I just did. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can subscribe by sending an email with: subscribe ql-chat address Having to put an email address is non-std^ It can get the address from the header. This is also a mite dodgy, as it seems that way, one could put anyone on the list one liked. Turnpike has an auto set up for mailing lists, and it certainly did not expect to have to add email address. in the body to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] It'll have a charter something like This is for free discussion by people interested in QLs, but not necessarily about QLs. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] QLU Netiquette (was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 23:40:42, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 at 22:54:42, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: c. We create a couple of separate lists like for example: Ql-chat... This way everyone's happy and we don't have too much trouble Which is what I just did. [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can subscribe by sending an email with: subscribe ql-chat address Having to put an email address is non-std^ It can get the address from the header. This is also a mite dodgy, as it seems that way, one could put anyone on the list one liked. Turnpike has an auto set up for mailing lists, and it certainly did not expect to have to add email address. I take it back - I was then asked to confirm the request. I guess it is useful to be able to control from another email address. in the body to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG
Re: [ql-users] ms-users-and-smalltalk-list
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:14:38 - Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don flame proof clothing before reading this !! BEGIN RANT MODE I think your attitude sucks (to be quite brutally honest) but you have made your choice to go, then so be it. it sucks if certain people don't stop to waste / steal my time with permanently off topic talking . and much more of the same snipped Now boys I think it is time this one was put to bed. All three lists that I subscribe to go OT at times, one in particular has a very active moderator, reads every mail, lets things go just far enough then pronounces This thread stops right now and it always does. I reckon we've reached that point. All the best - Bill
Re: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
I thought I would chime in here on the current topic of the mailing list. In keeping with the style RANT ON I find a lot of the traffic on this group to be not really worth my time to read. The delete key is my handy little friend and I use it often after skimming the subject line. There is too much Oh, Yea or Me, too messages. RANT OFF I do read the list because amongst all of the chaff there are occasionally little bits of gold, well worth my time reading most of the messages in the list. As a reader of USENET for 13 years, I know that at time the signal to noise ratio can be low, but I'm used to it. I find the list to be my main source of current QL information and help. QL Today is nice, but the mailing list is current and timely. I will not unsubscribe from the list, because to do so I would become a QL hermit. I prefer to be the guy sitting in the back of the room, listening to all the discussion, and piping up only when I have something worthy to say. I'd rather have the mailing list chatty than completely silent. So, continue on with the blather, my friends, as this California will listen. Tim flame me, I dare you Swenson
Re: [ql-users] Sources
At 07:51 PM 2/7/2002 +, you wrote: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tim Swenson suggested, inter alia, the following book when I originally asked about books on computing: The Elements of Programming Style Kernighan and Plaugher Here's a link that has a summary of the lessons in the book. http://users.erols.com/blilly/programming/The_Elements_of_Programming_Style. html I don't know if any of your local libraries have old book sales, but this is a great source for older books that are computing classics. At one time I had a spare copy of this book, I must have already passed it on to another QLer. Tim Swenson
Re: [ql-users] CF Cards and Hot-swapable readers.
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Re: [ql-users] this list
On 7 Feb 2002, at 22:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! I couldn't read this list for 5 days or so, opened my email program, started downloading.. horror, shocks: almost 200 emails of [ql-users] mailing list. OK think positive, could be a good sign, ql world is alive. But then..Half of it full with off topic emails (mainly virus talking). Believe me, it's really hard work to work through all that emails that apparently don't belong there. The problem is, I basically like this list and I am interested in (and need) information about ql stuff, but on the other hand you have to pay a huge price / time (time _is_ _precious_) to find a little piece of ql information in the piles of off topic (OT) mails. OK, I've kept quiet on this on/off topic duscussion until now. I can understand if people feel muffed by on off topic discussion - this is a QL group, after all. However, if we take Claus' example - there were 200 emails, half of themm (actually, I presumed at least 75% of them) full of off topic (and, to me, uninteresting) stuff - so let's say, 150 off topic emails. It takes me about 2 seconds to read the 1st sentence of an email, notice that it is off topic and go to the next one- so I've lost 300 seconds (5 minutes) in a 5 days period. Is that really so much? Yes, I'm annoyed that so much bandwidth is taken up with OT discussion - but most of us go OT at one stage or another, so live and let live, huh? Wolfgang
RE: [ql-users] List etiquette. (Was: ms-users-and-smalltalk-list)
Richard, it was approximately 80% of trafic the last few days and you were defending this practice, simple conclusion. An incorrect conclusion then.I wasn't defending anything. I was giving my opinion thet Peter over reacted. I haven't got time to count up all the emails, so I'll take your word on the 80% figure. Btw many of the listed mailers run on different platforms so the above survey doesn't tell much about the computers people use. I know that too. Just a few emails? How many discussions did we have in the last 6 months about: - Outlook and viruses - How to prevent Outlook from sending HTML mail Dunno - how many ? I don't archive anything from this list, or any others, unless it is relevant to me or my job. Anything off topic or not relavant to me (say hardware for example) gets deleted after a cursory glance. Unless anything catches my interest, it's history. People voiced their concern about this repeatedly but it didn't help much obviously. I'll take your word for it, but until Peter stormed off, nobody else mentioned it in respect to this conversation. We should tolerate a modest level of offtopic messages but the last 4 virus discussions were a bit too much. Probably true. IO can't remember. Bye Richard Cheers, Norman. - Norman Dunbar Database/Unix administrator Lynx Financial Systems Ltd. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel: 0113 289 6265 Fax: 0113 289 3146 URL: http://www.Lynx-FS.com - This email is intended only for the use of the addressees named above and may be confidential or legally privileged. If you are not an addressee you must not read it and must not use any information contained in it, nor copy it, nor inform any person other than Lynx Financial Systems or the addressees of its existence or contents. If you have received this email and are not a named addressee, please delete it and notify the Lynx Financial Systems IT Department on 0113 2892990.
