[Repeater-Builder] PD-522-509 Phelps Dodge / Celwave Duplexer Harness Cable Lengths
One of these was handed to me for tuning and I found a cable plugged into the wrong port so who knows what else is mixed up. Anyone know the specific cable lengths from the T connector and the TX/RX ports? It has a 22.5cm cable on the TX side and 21.5cm on the RX side (UHF male tip-to-tip). The manual says they're cut to specific lengths and must not be changed but that's it. James K7ICU
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB - FM History
The history of the right coast FM development is pretty accurately described on page 59 of this document: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11595271/The-History-of-Ham-Radio I haven't quoted it for copyright reasons but it gives a sane take to all the madness of the time. 146.94 was the defacto standard repeater channel that was perfect for the traveling ham because every city had a repeater on that pair. BTW...I still have some Progline crystals just in case anyone wants to try a new repeater ;-) Len --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.)
[Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines
Following items from an estate. SK was deep into VHF/UHF and had 2 repeaters (2m 220). Retired PD radio tech. Total volume about a whiskey box and can be sent by media mail. Price $25 plus postage. No extra charge for packing. FM Magazine 81 copies of FM Magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Same format at the old 73 magazines. Some duplicates. Good condition FM Bulletin 52 copies of FM Bulletin magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Some duplicates. good condition. 73 Walt (N4GL)
[Repeater-Builder] re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
... 146.94 was the de-facto standard repeater channel that was perfect for the traveling ham because every city had a repeater on that pair. The song remains the same but now in most Metro Areas every repeater pair is taken... and few are honestly generating any decent local (notice I didn't write IRLP or Echo-link) user traffic. BTW...I still have some Progline crystals just in case anyone wants to try a new repeater ;-) h... tempting but! I can't tell you how many GE Master Pro Repeaters I'd have in operation if I wasn't the one paying the power bill. Still... a Master Pro Receiver runs on 10 and 12 Volts (it's solid state) and has one heck of a great receiver so they could easily stay in operation (and often do...) I believe the Prog Receivers are also tube..? The only tubes I really want to light up are in guitar and vintage audio amplifiers with the other exception of high power RF Amplifiers for the HF War Zone(s) operation. Kind of the de-facto standard on some of the lower bands. s.
[Repeater-Builder] FS: Metered Dummy Load
Following for sale from an estate. Wattmeter ME-82/U (military version of M. C. Jones Elect Co model MM-625). 50 - 600 mhz,52-ohm, 120w (metered). Tested OK, unmodified, good condition. From an estate. Price: $60.00 plus shipping from northern Florida. No extra charge for packing and taking to shipper (UPS?USPO).Pictures available. N4GL (352) 637-1755
[Repeater-Builder] FS: RG-6 Coax
From an estate 1000 ft of new RG-6 coax, on spool. This is type that is waterproof and has fungicide under the outer coat (can be buried). Price: $75.00 plus shipping from northern Florida. No extra charge for packing and taking to shipper. 73 Walt (N4GL) (352) 637-1755
[Repeater-Builder] Micor repeater audio
I was looking in the files section and may have missed it, but I am looking to improve the transmit audio quality on my UHF transmiter. I've noticed that the audio is lacking in lows its not tinny but its not what I would call normal audio from a Micor. The audio levels and on frequency adjustments have made and to seem to be on the money. This is an unmodified repeater station using stock cards and no controller. The receiver is stock and the frequency has been changed to the 440mhz band. The audio coming out of the receiver has fine audio quality. Just looking for your thoughts or ideas. Thanks for your input Mike
RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware.
Motorola put out a Service Repair Notice (SRN) a while back to remind technicians that not all computers are capable of successfully flashing firmware upgrades when set to the highest communication speed. If you're not sure about your system capabilities, use the default 19.6 kB/s speed. If the program hiccups at the higher speed, a bricked radio may result. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Eric, I am not aware of any means to clean the memory. If you send the radio to Motorola's repair depot, it will come back with a brand-new chassis- a new radio in an old case- with the latest firmware installed. Of course, you must have the most recent version of CPS to program it. It is cheaper to replace the innards in a few minutes than to troubleshoot and repair the problem- which might take hours. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Vincent Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:55 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Hello Eric, Thank you for reply. I used the Non Four Line Display Radio firmware and all of my programming stuff are original from Motorola, RIB, cable and Flash interface Ive start the process and the programming software stop and ask me to do not click on cancel to return to the previous option but I think at this moment it was to late. Right now the radio doesnt power up, completely dead! I have an access to Motorola Online, is it possible to find something to clean the memory and start again? Is it possible to have any program like TK for HT and CDM series? Thanks again to everyone who want to help me with that. 73 Eric VE2VXT /VE7 De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] De la part de Eric Lemmon Envoyé : 12 novembre 2009 10:26 À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Eric, You'd be surprised how often a radio gets bricked during a firmware upgrade. The primary causes are impatience, where the technician disconnects the cables prematurely because he thinks the operation is complete, and the use of incorrect cables or flashing adapters. A radio or laptop battery that dies at the worst possible moment can also be a problem. Since you appear to be savvy about the long wait between the first and second beep signals, I wonder if you might have used the wrong firmware upgrade package. There are two: Professional Series Portable Firmware R05.14.03 - Four Line Display Radios and Professional Series Portable Firmware R05.14.03 - Non Four Line Display Radios The Non Four Line firmware is for HT750 and HT1250 radios only. The Four Line firmware is for HT1550 radios. Loading the four-line firmware into an HT750 will brick it. Assuming you have the proper cables and adapters for firmware flashing, I suggest trying to load the correct firmware to see if the radio can be recovered. Otherwise, it's a $275 repair at the depot. Be aware that once the radio is flashed to firmware version R05.14.03, you should use HVN9025W CPS (R06.11.05) or later to program the radio. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Vincent Sent: Wednesday, November 11, 2009 11:11 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Hello, I've try yesterday to update the firmware on my Motorola HT750 and right now my radio is dead. The original version was R05.09.11 and the wrong one was R05.14.03 Maybe someone in the group have hint for me? Thank you. Eric VE2VXT /VE7
Re: [Repeater-Builder] re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
I still have several Mastr Pro repeaters in operation on 6 meters, 2 meters, UHF. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:43:14 AM PST From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com I can't tell you how many GE Master Pro Repeaters I'd have in operation if I wasn't the one paying the power bill. Still... a Master Pro Receiver runs on 10 and 12 Volts (it's solid state) and has one heck of a great receiver so they could easily stay in operation (and often do...) I believe the Prog Receivers are also tube..? The only tubes I really want to light up are in guitar and vintage audio amplifiers with the other exception of high power RF Amplifiers for the HF War Zone(s) operation. Kind of the de-facto standard on some of the lower bands. s.
[Repeater-Builder] DB-212 detailed info wanted
Does anyone have detailed info about the DB-212 antenna (converted to 6m) that make it possible to build one from scratch? All the measures and info about the mount and feed point are interesting in the first place. 73 de Martin HB9TZW
Re: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 detailed info wanted
I converted one about 15 years ago for use on 6 meters. It measured 52.5 inches from center to outer edge. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:41:05 AM PST From: cruizzer77 atlant...@gmx.ch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] DB-212 detailed info wanted Does anyone have detailed info about the DB-212 antenna (converted to 6m) that make it possible to build one from scratch? All the measures and info about the mount and feed point are interesting in the first place. 73 de Martin HB9TZW
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor repeater audio
First if it is all stock. I would go through the cards and replace the electrolytic caps in the audio path. Or just shot gun all the caps. As old as they are it would be good. I do this when I rebuild any micor or mastr repeater. I have a couple of stock micors up and have them sounding fine. Others may have some suggestions to add. -Kevin -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mzfb2001 Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:51 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Micor repeater audio I was looking in the files section and may have missed it, but I am looking to improve the transmit audio quality on my UHF transmiter. I've noticed that the audio is lacking in lows its not tinny but its not what I would call normal audio from a Micor. The audio levels and on frequency adjustments have made and to seem to be on the money. This is an unmodified repeater station using stock cards and no controller. The receiver is stock and the frequency has been changed to the 440mhz band. The audio coming out of the receiver has fine audio quality. Just looking for your thoughts or ideas. Thanks for your input Mike Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
Bah... My first repeater was built from a PRE Prog xmtr and a Motorola Sensicon receiver (complete with pipes!) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
[Repeater-Builder] is there a guide for programming msf5000 to typeII
hi, i would like to reprogram my msf5000 to work with my spectras at typeII trunked repeater, is there a guide online to read for basics and program accordingly?
RE: [Repeater-Builder] is there a guide for programming msf5000 to typeII
I'm not sure, George, but I think you'd need a trunking controller (separate system) and **several** (i.e., two or more) MSF5000 stations in order to have a trunked system. The 900 MHz MSF5000 I bought from the East Coast was part of a trunked system, but each station itself was set for only *ONE* of the system's frequencies. That company had a 6- (or maybe it was 8- ?) channel trunked system, and they changed-out *137* stations... Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of George hi, i would like to reprogram my msf5000 to work with my spectras at typeII trunked repeater, is there a guide online to read for basics and program accordingly?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB - FM History
that would be another nice improvement to the ham bands. in addition to the national simplex frequencies on 10m/6m/2m/222mhz/70m/900mhz/and 1.2 ghz maybe the FCC and or ARRL could designate a national repeater pair on each of these bands. they could utilize a special tone in addition to the regular pl/dpl for access similar to the UK. i beleive the UK uses 1250hz or something like that. the national simplex frequencies don't seem to be monitored these days as people prefer to be on their favorite repeater. in area's of low activity this proposed national pair could be tied to a local active repeater. i guess of course the national simplex frequencies could also be tied into a active repeater as a remote base. and that would just be a matter of clubs taking the initiative. - Original Message - From: lenaw12 wa1...@amsat.org To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB - FM History The history of the right coast FM development is pretty accurately described on page 59 of this document: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11595271/The-History-of-Ham-Radio I haven't quoted it for copyright reasons but it gives a sane take to all the madness of the time. 146.94 was the defacto standard repeater channel that was perfect for the traveling ham because every city had a repeater on that pair. BTW...I still have some Progline crystals just in case anyone wants to try a new repeater ;-) Len --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.) Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines
I'll take them. lance/N2HBA - Original Message - From: sjotrollet To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 12:36 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines Following items from an estate. SK was deep into VHF/UHF and had 2 repeaters (2m 220). Retired PD radio tech. Total volume about a whiskey box and can be sent by media mail. Price $25 plus postage. No extra charge for packing. FM Magazine 81 copies of FM Magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Same format at the old 73 magazines. Some duplicates. Good condition FM Bulletin 52 copies of FM Bulletin magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Some duplicates. good condition. 73 Walt (N4GL) -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.425 / Virus Database: 270.14.65/2502 - Release Date: 11/14/09 07:43:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor repeater audio
mzfb2001 wrote: I was looking in the files section and may have missed it, but I am looking to improve the transmit audio quality on my UHF transmiter. I've noticed that the audio is lacking in lows its not tinny but its not what I would call normal audio from a Micor. The audio levels and on frequency adjustments have made and to seem to be on the money. This is an unmodified repeater station using stock cards and no controller. The receiver is stock and the frequency has been changed to the 440mhz band. The audio coming out of the receiver has fine audio quality. Just looking for your thoughts or ideas. Thanks for your input Mike I'd make sure the channel element is not limiting the quality of your audio. Consider doing a sweep of the frequency response at several deviation levels and see what you have. I've seen re-crystaled elements that were less than good. Kevin
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines
As I keep posting, we have a 100gb server allocation, and are using less than 10% of it (9.82 gb to be precise). If anybody wants to scan stuff, and send me PDFs, I'll create a new directory on repeater-builder and post them. Mike WA6ILQ At 02:32 PM 11/14/09 -0800, you wrote: I have only a very few of the old RPT and FM magazines, but they were sure interesting reading when we were first getting started in FM and Repeaters. What a great resource they would be if they were scanned and available on-line somewhere! -Original Message- From: sjotrollet Sent: Nov 14, 2009 9:36 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines Following items from an estate. SK was deep into VHF/UHF and had 2 repeaters (2m 220). Retired PD radio tech. Total volume about a whiskey box and can be sent by media mail. Price $25 plus postage. No extra charge for packing. FM Magazine 81 copies of FM Magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Same format at the old 73 magazines. Some duplicates. Good condition FM Bulletin 52 copies of FM Bulletin magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Some duplicates. good condition. 73 Walt (N4GL)
RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware.
Hi Eric, Your right about the speed but Ive tried 2 different and after a certain time the software told me to continue and do not click on cancel because the radio will be unusable Anyway I think the only solution is to send the radio to Motorola And at the same time I persist and I would like to do it by my self I dont understand why is all the time a little bit more complicated with Moto stuff, the design is well and its solid but for the rest Im not impress. Also I hate the Mini-UHF connector on mobile radio, grrr So, when its functional just dont touch it! 73 Eric VE2VXT /VE7 _ De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Eric Lemmon Envoyé : 14 novembre 2009 09:57 À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Motorola put out a Service Repair Notice (SRN) a while back to remind technicians that not all computers are capable of successfully flashing firmware upgrades when set to the highest communication speed. If you're not sure about your system capabilities, use the default 19.6 kB/s speed. If the program hiccups at the higher speed, a bricked radio may result. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Eric, I am not aware of any means to clean the memory. If you send the radio to Motorola's repair depot, it will come back with a brand-new chassis- a new radio in an old case- with the latest firmware installed. Of course, you must have the most recent version of CPS to program it. It is cheaper to replace the innards in a few minutes than to troubleshoot and repair the problem- which might take hours. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Vincent Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:55 AM To: Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Hello Eric, Thank you for reply. I used the Non Four Line Display Radio firmware and all of my programming stuff are original from Motorola, RIB, cable and Flash interface Ive start the process and the programming software stop and ask me to do not click on cancel to return to the previous option but I think at this moment it was to late. Right now the radio doesnt power up, completely dead! I have an access to Motorola Online, is it possible to find something to clean the memory and start again? Is it possible to have any program like TK for HT and CDM series? Thanks again to everyone who want to help me with that. 73 Eric VE2VXT /VE7 De : Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] De la part de Eric Lemmon Envoyé : 12 novembre 2009 10:26 À : Repeater-Builder@ mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Eric, You'd be surprised how often a radio gets bricked during a firmware upgrade. The primary causes are impatience, where the technician disconnects the cables prematurely because he thinks the operation is complete, and the use of incorrect cables or flashing adapters. A radio or laptop battery that dies at the worst possible moment can also be a problem. Since you appear to be savvy about the long wait between the first and second beep signals, I wonder if you might have used the wrong firmware upgrade package. There are two: Professional Series Portable Firmware R05.14.03 - Four Line Display Radios and Professional Series Portable Firmware R05.14.03 - Non Four Line Display Radios The Non Four Line firmware is for HT750 and HT1250 radios only. The Four Line firmware is for HT1550 radios. Loading the four-line firmware into an HT750 will brick it. Assuming you have the proper cables and adapters for firmware flashing, I suggest trying to load the correct firmware to see if the radio can be recovered. Otherwise, it's a $275 repair at the depot. Be aware that once the radio is flashed to firmware version R05.14.03, you should use HVN9025W CPS (R06.11.05) or later to program the
[Repeater-Builder] OT - now I know where all of the older neat radios went....
Check the photos at http://www.qrz.com/db/w9evt Mike WA6ILQ
RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware.
Eric, To each his own. I have about 60 Motorola HT750 and 30 CP200 radios in my fleet, and have never had a problem programming or flashing any of them. The radio failures I have found are the result of user abuse, rather than an anomaly. I once watched a (supposedly) experienced Motorola technician at a Government radio shop brick an Astro Saber III radio while trying to program it by holding the programming plug against the radio with his hand- rather than using the attachment screw. His grip got loose, and the plug slipped off- certainly a familiarity breeds contempt moment! I can't complain about the mini-UHF connectors- I use only first-class crimp connectors from RF Industries, along with the proper cable-prep tools. I think they're a good design. The HT750 radio that you can't flash- did it always have the dust cover or an RSM plug protecting the side contacts? If not, a lot of skin oil and other gunk can contaminate those contacts and lead to an intermittent connection during programming or flashing. I use a Gold Guard Pen to clean both the side contacts on the radio and the programming cable pins, if there's any doubt about their cleanliness. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Eric Vincent Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:19 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Hi Eric, You're right about the speed but Ive tried 2 different and after a certain time the software told me to continue and do not click on cancel because the radio will be unusable Anyway I think the only solution is to send the radio to Motorola And at the same time I persist and I would like to do it by my self I dont understand why is all the time a little bit more complicated with Moto stuff, the design is well and its solid but for the rest Im not impress. Also I hate the Mini-UHF connector on mobile radio, grrr So, when its functional just dont touch it! 73 Eric VE2VXT /VE7 De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] De la part de Eric Lemmon Envoyé : 14 novembre 2009 09:57 À : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Objet : RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Motorola put out a Service Repair Notice (SRN) a while back to remind technicians that not all computers are capable of successfully flashing firmware upgrades when set to the highest communication speed. If you're not sure about your system capabilities, use the default 19.6 kB/s speed. If the program hiccups at the higher speed, a bricked radio may result. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Lemmon Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 8:24 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Eric, I am not aware of any means to clean the memory. If you send the radio to Motorola's repair depot, it will come back with a brand-new chassis- a new radio in an old case- with the latest firmware installed. Of course, you must have the most recent version of CPS to program it. It is cheaper to replace the innards in a few minutes than to troubleshoot and repair the problem- which might take hours. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Eric Vincent Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 12:55 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] HT750 updating firmware. Hello Eric, Thank you for reply. I used the Non Four Line Display Radio firmware and all of my programming stuff are original from Motorola, RIB, cable and Flash interface Ive start the process and the programming software stop and ask me to do not click on cancel to return to the previous option but I think at this moment it was to late. Right now the radio doesnt power up, completely dead! I have an access to Motorola Online, is it possible to find something to clean the memory and start again? Is it possible to have any program like TK for HT and CDM series? Thanks again to everyone who want to help me with that. 73 Eric VE2VXT /VE7 De : Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
RE: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines
Mike-when I get the ones I just bought I will scan them and get them to you, will take me a while-I know that there are even some articles I wrote, and ones about the Northeast FM assn, which tied a lot of the east coast together in the late 1960's-and PARA, the Philadelphia Amateur Repeater Assn. -first split site repeater went into operation in the 1960's as well, so I will do what I can and get you the files. Andy W6AMS (K3ZTP in the old days) From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 4:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines As I keep posting, we have a 100gb server allocation, and are using less than 10% of it (9.82 gb to be precise). If anybody wants to scan stuff, and send me PDFs, I'll create a new directory on repeater-builder and post them. Mike WA6ILQ At 02:32 PM 11/14/09 -0800, you wrote: I have only a very few of the old RPT and FM magazines, but they were sure interesting reading when we were first getting started in FM and Repeaters. What a great resource they would be if they were scanned and available on-line somewhere! -Original Message- From: sjotrollet Sent: Nov 14, 2009 9:36 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines Following items from an estate. SK was deep into VHF/UHF and had 2 repeaters (2m 220). Retired PD radio tech. Total volume about a whiskey box and can be sent by media mail. Price $25 plus postage. No extra charge for packing. FM Magazine 81 copies of FM Magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Same format at the old 73 magazines. Some duplicates. Good condition FM Bulletin 52 copies of FM Bulletin magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Some duplicates. good condition. 73 Walt (N4GL)
[Repeater-Builder] OT - now I know where all of the older neat radios went....
Gee, that's OK for a museum.. but an individual? Think I'll enlarge some of the pix, just for nostalga!! Tim
Re: [Repeater-Builder] re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
At 11/14/2009 09:39, you wrote: Still... a Master Pro Receiver runs on 10 and 12 Volts Any part of a Mastr Pro RX need 12 V other than the audio PA? IIRC the Mastr II RX only needs 10 V if you don't power up the audio PA. (it's solid state) and has one heck of a great receiver so they could easily stay in operation (and often do...) They're OK, but every one I've used had a odd, asymmetrical IF response. OK if the signal is on channel, but the squelch acts strangely on off-channel signals. If the signal is above the RX's freq. the squelch blows open even if the signal is so weak it's unintelligible, while if the signal into the RX is below center the squelch will act tight. That always bothered me. The VHF Mastr Pro's IF is a bit wide for 15 kHz channel spacing on 2 meters. I still have one UHF Mastr Pro RX in service here at the hub site as a backfill RX, but I don't go looking for them anymore. I prefer using Mastr II or MVP RXs now. Bob NO6B
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly than yahoo, how to send it. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH m...@... wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed that, too. Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or 15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out). Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes, Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha t I know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in establishing the later standard, I have no idea Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. No-2M is too populated to do any changes. Not gonna happen until they just flat stop making FM gear. Not in my life time, not in your kids lifetimes, probably not in your grandkids lifetimes either. Same with the 150-174 LMR band...WAY to much gear out there to try to standardize input/output. Look at the bright side-at least the ham band HAS a standard. There is none in the LMR segment. Yahoo! Groups Links Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00
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Motorola Base Station Power Supply...TPN 1154A input: 120/220/240VAC50/60Hz output: 14.1 VDC You pay shipping from: 54151 (figure about 75#)
[Repeater-Builder] GM300 to 1.25meter 220 band
Had anyone done this modification, or know of any information available on it. I have been told that Australia has a version of the gm300 that does the 220 band, but they are impossible to find stateside as they are not fcc type approved.
[Repeater-Builder] GM300 to 1.25meter 220 band
Had anyone done this modification, or know of any information available on it. I have been told that Australia has a version of the gm300 that does the 220 band, but they are impossible to find stateside as they are not fcc type approved.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
Wider splits would be nice. Usable duplexers would be more available and less costly. . Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: wb6dgn tallins...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 05:03:52 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. Actually, it's happening now. There's a very dedicated (and, apparently, very wealthy) group of hams using the Public Safety P25 digital protocol on both VHF HB and UHF ham bands with some discussion of trying it on 900 as well. Even on the ham market, that equipment isn't cheap and well out of my area of interest. As for the wider splits, performance is such that I see no reason to change now. In the '60s, that may have been a good idea. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis kc8...@... wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. i like the idea of injecting the 100 hz tone into a ssb carrier and using it to lock the rit. - Original Message - From: n0fpe n0...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:34 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] ACSSB One thing to remember. Amatuers are NOT authorized to use ACSSB above 30mhz. Please check part 97 for the exact modes we are able to use. heck if we were there would be tons of ACSSB repeaters already modified into the ham band. Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Tom A. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly than yahoo, how to send it. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed that, too. Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or 15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out). Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes, Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha t I know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in establishing the later standard, I have no idea Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. No-2M is too populated to do any changes. Not gonna happen until they just flat stop making FM gear. Not in my life time, not in your kids lifetimes, probably not in your grandkids lifetimes either. Same with the 150-174 LMR band...WAY to much gear out there to try to standardize input/output. Look at the bright side-at least the ham band HAS a standard. There is none in the LMR segment. Yahoo! Groups Links Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00
Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
you cannot, as yahoo is C**p i use Gmail for my emailing attachments wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Tom A. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly than yahoo, how to send it. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed that, too. Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or 15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out). Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes, Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha t I know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in establishing the later standard, I have no idea Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. No-2M is too populated to do any changes. Not gonna happen until they just flat stop making FM gear. Not in my life time, not in your kids lifetimes, probably not in your grandkids lifetimes either. Same with the 150-174 LMR band...WAY to much gear out there to try to standardize input/output. Look at the bright side-at least the ham band HAS a standard. There is none in the LMR segment. Yahoo! Groups Links -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.387 / Virus Database: 270.13.38/2274 - Release Date: 07/31/09 05:58:00
Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB [1 Attachment]
Just trying something... Ray, KB0STN - Original Message - From: Marcus To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB you cannot, as yahoo is C**p i use Gmail for my emailing attachments wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Tom A. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly than yahoo, how to send it. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed that, too. Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or 15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out). Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes, Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha t I know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in establishing the later standard, I have no idea Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. No-2M is too populated to do any changes. Not gonna happen until they just flat stop making FM gear. Not in my life time, not in your kids lifetimes, probably not in your grandkids lifetimes either. Same with the 150-174 LMR band...WAY to much gear out there to try to standardize
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB [1 Attachment]
wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Test Attachment: Kevin
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
Second Try... Kevin Custer wrote: wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Test Attachment: Kevin
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
HUH??? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer kug...@... wrote: Second Try... Kevin Custer wrote: wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Test Attachment: Kevin
[Repeater-Builder] Attachments
Kevin Custer wrote: Second Try... This list was originally set up to accept and pass attachments. Somehow, that function was changed to strip the attachments and keep them on the Yahoo Site. The mode has been changed back to the original configuration. Please use it wisely. Those not wanting to get attachments in their inbox can go to the Yahoo site and change the way you want to receive mail from this list. Kevin Custer List Owner
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
OK, I guess I'd better calm down and explain. After I've composed the message, how do I tell the system that I want to include an attachment? I don't see anything to click on to indicate that I want to send the attachment. TA --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer kug...@... wrote: wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Test Attachment: Kevin
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
If you are posting your message from the Yahoo web site, you cannot send an attachment. You can if you are sending it from an email client. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: wb6dgn tallins...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB OK, I guess I'd better calm down and explain. After I've composed the message, how do I tell the system that I want to include an attachment? I don't see anything to click on to indicate that I want to send the attachment. TA
Re: [SPAM] Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
ok so i was half right, but yahoo is still c**p Ray Brown wrote: [Attachment(s) #TopText from Ray Brown included below] Just trying something... Ray, KB0STN - Original Message - *From:* Marcus mailto:arkwrights-st...@xtra.co.nz *To:* Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:35 PM *Subject:* Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB you cannot, as yahoo is C**p i use Gmail for my emailing attachments wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Tom A. --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: If I can figure out how to do it right, I have a scan from the ARRL Handbook form 1961 and also the License Manual from 1961. Both list the frequency assignments for the various license classes. You will see that, for Technician Class license, the 2meter assignment was 145 to 147 Mc. NOT 144 to 148 as some have stated. If the attachment, titled ARRL1961 doesn't show up, would a moderator please explain more clearly than yahoo, how to send it. Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, MCH mch@ wrote: I believe the OP is essentially correct. The 2M sub-band didn't come until much later - I was thinking it was the late 70s, but it could have been the early 80s. Your point was why the 146 MHz pairs were more popular - because the techs could not use the 147 MHz pairs. The 146 MHz segment was originally 60 kHz channels (146.610, 146.670, 146.730, Etc.), then went to 30 kHz in most areas - going to 20 kHz channels in some, then the 30 kHz was again broken down into 15 kHz channels. The sub-band was always 20 kHz until some areas changed that, too. Check out some of the older RDs for more info. Some of the early 70s ones even listed the Input/Output modulation, such as 5/5 or 15/5 or 15/15 (meaning deviation in / deviation out). Joe M. wb6dgn wrote: duh-because when repeaters were first authorized for 2M, they were only allowed from 146 to 148. 144.5-145.5 didn't come into existence until the 80's. Close, but not exactly. When repeaters first came to be used on the ham bands in the late '50s/early '60s the 2m band from 144 to 148 Mc was only available to General class licensees and above. Novice (yes, Novice had some 2m voice privileges at that time) and Technician licensees were only allowed to operate in the 2m band from 145 to 147 Mc. Therefore if a repeater owner wanted to make his repeater available to the widest audience he had to keep both input and output within the 145 to 147 range. Interestingly, there was a repeater in the S. F. Bay area (somewhere down the Peninsula, I believe, maybe Stanford) that did have it's input and output on 144 and 147+ with the clearly stated reason that Novices and Techs. were not welcome. Never seemed to bother anyone I knew; that group carried on some pretty stuffy conversations anyway and there were enough 145 to 147 machines to go around including at least one AM repeater. However the only repeater at the time (tha t I know of) using 600Kc separation was the WB6AAE repeater in the foothills east of Oakland on Grizzly Peak. If they had a role in establishing the later standard, I have no idea Tom DGN --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com, wd8chl wd8chl@ wrote: Rev. Robert P. Chrysafis wrote: wonder why the fcc does not allow acssb above 30 mhz on the ham bands? seems to me they would want to promote more efficient modes through all the ham bands. another interesting thing would be to see 2 meter repeaters go to 2 or 3 mhz splits and employ some form of efficient modulation mode instead of the same old 10 khz fm. and i am sure we will be all dead before this happens :) one can imagine though. better tx/rx isolation, cleaner signals, employ some form of narrow band modulation scheme and we could even ease congestion on 2 meters. i still can't imagine how the 600 khz split was decided for 2 meters when there is room for at least a 2 mhz split. duh-because when repeaters were first
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
OK! NUTS TO IT! Guess you'll just have to take my word for it. From the mid '50s when I first got interested in ham radio until I lost interest in about '67, the Tech. class licensee ONLY had access to 145 to 146.99... I have no idea what happened after about '68 as I had other things on my mind. I have documentation to confirm what I'm saying but I have no idea how to navigate this yahoo fiasco. If anyone cares enough, send me an email and I WILL forward confirmation of what I am claiming. TA --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, wb6dgn tallins...@... wrote: HUH??? --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Kevin Custer kuggie@ wrote: Second Try... Kevin Custer wrote: wb6dgn wrote: HOW THE H*** DOES ONE ADD THE ATTACHMENT TO THE POST. AS USUAL, THIS YAHOO CRAP IS IMPOSSIBLE TO FIGURE OUT. THERE'S GOT TO BE A BETTER HOST THAN THIS JOKE! Test Attachment: Kevin
[Repeater-Builder] Re: FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines
I have a number of those magazines also. I used to contribute information about FM activities in San Diego County to FM Magazine. I'm working on a history of early amateur FM in the San Diego area (when I get time). Those old magazines help jog the old memory. Ken Decker WA6OSB --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@... wrote: As I keep posting, we have a 100gb server allocation, and are using less than 10% of it (9.82 gb to be precise). If anybody wants to scan stuff, and send me PDFs, I'll create a new directory on repeater-builder and post them. Mike WA6ILQ At 02:32 PM 11/14/09 -0800, you wrote: I have only a very few of the old RPT and FM magazines, but they were sure interesting reading when we were first getting started in FM and Repeaters. What a great resource they would be if they were scanned and available on-line somewhere! -Original Message- From: sjotrollet Sent: Nov 14, 2009 9:36 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] FS: 1960's Vintage FM magazines Following items from an estate. SK was deep into VHF/UHF and had 2 repeaters (2m 220). Retired PD radio tech. Total volume about a whiskey box and can be sent by media mail. Price $25 plus postage. No extra charge for packing. FM Magazine 81 copies of FM Magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Same format at the old 73 magazines. Some duplicates. Good condition FM Bulletin 52 copies of FM Bulletin magazine. From mid to late 1960's. Some duplicates. good condition. 73 Walt (N4GL)
[Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB
Chuck, THANK YOU. That clarifies that. Now, the stupid part. Where do I send the email from my email client. I've never done that before. TA --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Chuck Kelsey wb2...@... wrote: If you are posting your message from the Yahoo web site, you cannot send an attachment. You can if you are sending it from an email client. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: wb6dgn tallins...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 10:55 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB OK, I guess I'd better calm down and explain. After I've composed the message, how do I tell the system that I want to include an attachment? I don't see anything to click on to indicate that I want to send the attachment. TA
RE: [Repeater-Builder] OT - now I know where all of the older neat radios went....
If I had that guy's money, I'd burn mine... hehehe NICE collection! Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of Mike Morris WA6ILQ Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 6:29 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] OT - now I know where all of the older neat radios went Check the photos at http://www.qrz.com/db/w9evt Mike WA6ILQ
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB - FM History
I have a mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount (all tube, vibrator supply) in the garage with 34/94 in it still works, too! George, KA3HSW / WQGJ413 - Original Message - From: lenaw12 wa1...@amsat.org To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: ACSSB - FM History The history of the right coast FM development is pretty accurately described on page 59 of this document: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11595271/The-History-of-Ham-Radio I haven't quoted it for copyright reasons but it gives a sane take to all the madness of the time. 146.94 was the defacto standard repeater channel that was perfect for the traveling ham because every city had a repeater on that pair. BTW...I still have some Progline crystals just in case anyone wants to try a new repeater ;-) Len
[Repeater-Builder] re: mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount
I have a mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount (all tube, vibrator supply) in the garage with 34/94 in it still works, too! Please seek professional help... tell the shrink there's a boat-anchor in your soup. s.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
JOHN MACKEY jmac...@... wrote: I still have several Mastr Pro repeaters in operation on 6 meters, 2 meters, UHF. Ohhh ouch. Memories of burnt finger tips from trying to pull hot tubes. Are you paying the site electric bill John? It's gotta cost ya dearly to heat those tubes 24/7. s.
Re: [SPAM] [Repeater-Builder] re: mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount
i love those old style systems, i have an old viabrator model car radio ( HMV ) pity you didn't live in NZ , id buy that unit off of you, just for it's nostelgia appeal Marcus skipp025 wrote: I have a mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount (all tube, vibrator supply) in the garage with 34/94 in it still works, too! Please seek professional help... tell the shrink there's a boat-anchor in your soup. s.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
Bah... My first repeater was built from a PRE Prog xmtr and a Motorola Sensicon receiver (complete with pipes!) Careful now... If you start down memory lane I could help you with a class reunion. I know your shipping address and I know where a fair number of Sensicons and Pre-Progs are sitting nearby. s.
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
You don't even need the Audio PA 12 Volts if you don't want or care for local speaker audio. There is such a glut of used surplus radio equipment on the market right now that I doubt many people will bother with using Master Pro-Receivers when a crystal has to be ordered for each frequency change. Of recent surprise to me is how much GE Master II stuff is flooding into the used radio market and how dirt cheap it is... I've even started to see Master 3 equipment coming out to hit the surplus market and Ebay... selling for a lot less than I would have suspected they/it would. The trouble is... fewer people want to go the surplus equipment route. And for political reasons I won't throw out why I think that's a real shame (and part of what is really wrong with much, not all of the American Mindset)... cheers, s. n...@... wrote: At 11/14/2009 09:39, you wrote: Still... a Master Pro Receiver runs on 10 and 12 Volts Any part of a Mastr Pro RX need 12 V other than the audio PA? IIRC the Mastr II RX only needs 10 V if you don't power up the audio PA. (it's solid state) and has one heck of a great receiver so they could easily stay in operation (and often do...) They're OK, but every one I've used had a odd, asymmetrical IF response. OK if the signal is on channel, but the squelch acts strangely on off-channel signals. If the signal is above the RX's freq. the squelch blows open even if the signal is so weak it's unintelligible, while if the signal into the RX is below center the squelch will act tight. That always bothered me. The VHF Mastr Pro's IF is a bit wide for 15 kHz channel spacing on 2 meters. I still have one UHF Mastr Pro RX in service here at the hub site as a backfill RX, but I don't go looking for them anymore. I prefer using Mastr II or MVP RXs now. Bob NO6B
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
No, I do not have to pay the electric bill. I only have to replace tubes about every 5-8 years. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:39:01 PM PST From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more) JOHN MACKEY jmac...@... wrote: I still have several Mastr Pro repeaters in operation on 6 meters, 2 meters, UHF. Ohhh ouch. Memories of burnt finger tips from trying to pull hot tubes. Are you paying the site electric bill John? It's gotta cost ya dearly to heat those tubes 24/7. s.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] re: mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount
I have a T-Power crystalled up on 29.6 with factory PL and factory Extender still working (last time I fired it up was about 10 years ago). I simply can't part with it. -- Original Message -- Received: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:34:14 PM PST From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] re: mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount I have a mid-50's vintage Motorola trunk-mount (all tube, vibrator supply) in the garage with 34/94 in it still works, too! Please seek professional help... tell the shrink there's a boat-anchor in your soup. s.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Early FM Repeaters (tubes and more)
At 09:54 PM 11/14/2009, larryjspamme...@teleport.com wrote: The Red Book was most helpful with the tuneup and crystal ordering info. --I still have mine :-) Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.arcomcontrollers.com/ Authorized Dealers for Kenwood and Telewave and we offer complete repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net We don't just make 'em. We use 'em!
