Re: [Repeater-Builder] SPECTRA SERVICE MANUAL
Hi! Bob ! Did you get any manuals?? If you did would you send a copy of them to me.. I have several I got from Ebay that need work.. Larry Taylor KF6JBG Home: cvrcsoaring (AT) earthlink (Dot) net RC Club: www.cvrcsoaring.com - Original Message - From: lodesthar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] SPECTRA SERVICE MANUAL HEY MEMBERS, DOES ANY MEMBERS HAS A COMPLETE SERVICE MANUAL OF SPECTRA,I HAVE SOMETHING TO TROUBLE HERE IN MY OLD SPECTRA,THANKS BOB HERE IN THE PHILS.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon
A club I am a member of just purchased a card from them not 2 months ago. The card was received promptly and was purchased on their web site. I received a thank you e-mail from Al just last month. Maybe they took a vacation. 73 Norm - Original Message - From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed Mar 10 15:13:01 2010 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon Was it bought on eBay? Post the item number / link. I'd like to see this. Ian has a good point, although its called BUYER protection. Seller protection works the same way, but for sellers. Just my OCD kicking in. John Hymes La Rue Communications 10 S. Aurora Street Stockton, CA 95202 - Original Message - From: va...@securenet.net mailto:va...@securenet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2010 12:20 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon John If you paid them on paypal, and it hasnt been 45 days yet since the transaction, institute a paypal chargeback. You can do this if you havent been given any valid tracking number on your item. This should get someone's attention on the other end. If after 30 days (i think) paypal will credit you your expense. its called seller protection. Paypal has a toll free number that works from Canada, so give them a call for details. Good luck Ian VA2IR At 03:14 PM 3/10/2010, you wrote: I ordered a Pion and Simon PSE 508-3 controller and have not received it yet here in Florida. They don't answer E mails and I can't find a telephone number for that company. Does anyone know their tel number ? Are they still in business ? 541-273-8958 does not work..This is the number shown on Paypal. 73 John VE3AMZ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com http://www.avg.com/ Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/10/10 07:33:00
[Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
As promised, here are two replies I received about 30 minutes after sending an email to Al and Elizabeth: Kevin, I received an e-mail from him just today. I sent him a reply within minutes. I just read his response. I hope the attached file explains everything, but if not, please feel free to inquire further. And by the way, thanks again for your site. Best regards, Al KK7XO And I was CC'd on his response to John, John, it's unfortunate that you put a complaint on the repeater builder site. I answered your e-mail inquiry within minutes of reading it, as I do with virtually every e-mail I receive. Your check should clear as early as tomorrow according to the information I have. We have no control over how the check is handled. Apparently it has to do with the fact that there is an international transfer of funds and the related monetary conversion from Canadian funds to US funds. I will mail your board as soon as we have confirmation. It usually takes 3 days or less for the package to arrive after we mail it. I hope this is satisfactory. I'm sorry you had difficulty purchasing our board. We will do everything we can to make sure your order goes out promptly as soon as we get confirmation of the transaction. 73 de Al KK7XO I have sent a message to Al and Elizabeth as well - asking for help here. Maybe your messages are getting caught in a SPAM filter or something. This is not their normal practice and I can only assume your messages are not getting delivered. I'll let you know when I get their reply. Kevin Custer List Owner
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
Kevin Custer wrote: Your check should clear as early as tomorrow according to the information I have. We have no control over how the check is But John said he paid with Paypal? Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics http://www.ve3tjd.com High Performance cars don't kill Low Performance drivers do
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
Probably a paypal E-CHECK rather than a paypal instant transfer. Takes quite awhile sometimes. Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tedd Doda Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 7:41 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story Kevin Custer wrote: Your check should clear as early as tomorrow according to the information I have. We have no control over how the check is But John said he paid with Paypal? Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics http://www.ve3tjd.com High Performance cars don't kill Low Performance drivers do Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/10/10 19:33:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
Tedd Doda wrote: But John said he paid with Paypal? Not all PayPal transactions are instantaneous. John paid with an eCheck, which is subject to delays just like a check that clears the the bank. There are ways to transfer money to PayPal instantly, like instant transfers from checking and savings accounts. Kevin Custer
RE: [Repeater-Builder] SPECTRA SERVICE MANUAL
There are at least a dozen Spectra manuals, not just a manual. While it is true that more than one manual may be required for complete coverage of a specific radio- the control head has a separate manual, since several control heads are available for the radio- you really should state clearly what model Spectra radio you have. Many accessories have separate manuals, so please identify those as well. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of cvrcsoar...@earthlink.net Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 12:08 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] SPECTRA SERVICE MANUAL Hi! Bob ! Did you get any manuals?? If you did would you send a copy of them to me.. I have several I got from Ebay that need work.. Larry Taylor KF6JBG Home: cvrcsoaring (AT) earthlink (Dot) net RC Club: www.cvrcsoaring.com http://www.cvrcsoaring.com - Original Message - From: lodesthar mailto:lodest...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 09, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] SPECTRA SERVICE MANUAL HEY MEMBERS, DOES ANY MEMBERS HAS A COMPLETE SERVICE MANUAL OF SPECTRA,I HAVE SOMETHING TO TROUBLE HERE IN MY OLD SPECTRA,THANKS BOB HERE IN THE PHILS.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
Kevin Custer wrote: John paid with an eCheck, which is subject to delays just like a check that clears the the bank. There are ways to transfer money to PayPal instantly, like instant transfers from checking and savings accounts. In all the years (since 1999) of selling on Ebay, I've never run into a e-cheque. Lucky me, I guess :) Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics http://www.ve3tjd.com High Performance cars don't kill Low Performance drivers do
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
Tedd Doda wrote: Kevin Custer wrote: John paid with an eCheck, which is subject to delays just like a check that clears the the bank. There are ways to transfer money to PayPal instantly, like instant transfers from checking and savings accounts. In all the years (since 1999) of selling on Ebay, I've never run into a e-cheque. Lucky me, I guess :) The link below will explain the differences, advantages, (and obviously in this case, disadvantages) of using an eCheck. https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp?t=solutionTabsolutionId=13054cmd=_help-ext John's delay won't be substantial, only a few days. He is wanting to receive his controller before the 20'th of this month. I see no reason why he won't get it by then. Kevin Custer
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
I've received the odd e-check. They may take up to 10 days to clear, but Paypal will not credit the funds to the recipient until such time. Ian VA2IR At 10:15 AM 3/11/2010, you wrote: Tedd Doda wrote: Kevin Custer wrote: John paid with an eCheck, which is subject to delays just like a check that clears the the bank. There are ways to transfer money to PayPal instantly, like instant transfers from checking and savings accounts. In all the years (since 1999) of selling on Ebay, I've never run into a e-cheque. Lucky me, I guess :) The link below will explain the differences, advantages, (and obviously in this case, disadvantages) of using an eCheck. https://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp?t=solutionTabsolutionId=13054cmd=_help-exthttps://www.paypal.com/helpcenter/main.jsp?t=solutionTabsolutionId=13054cmd=_help-ext John's delay won't be substantial, only a few days. He is wanting to receive his controller before the 20'th of this month. I see no reason why he won't get it by then. Kevin Custer No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2736 - Release Date: 03/11/10 07:33:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call and other things, so the straight math doesn't work out exactly, but it's so many theoretical users and talk groups, you'd never hit the limit on a system. Also there's new features to allow trunking at a site, and multiple repeaters, but even then... eight digits is plenty for even a large multi-repeater setup. It's surprising this info isn't on any web pages anywhere... Nate On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:33 PM, MCH wrote: Just to clarify, I'm talking about what would be equal to talkgroups. Although it does make me feel better others cannot find the answer either. :-) Joe M.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Time to start taking the lead and develop something!! http://developer.motorola.com/products/twowayradios/ Nate Duehr wrote: I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call and other things, so the straight math doesn't work out exactly, but it's so many theoretical users and talk groups, you'd never hit the limit on a system. Also there's new features to allow trunking at a site, and multiple repeaters, but even then... eight digits is plenty for even a large multi-repeater setup. It's surprising this info isn't on any web pages anywhere... Nate On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:33 PM, MCH wrote: Just to clarify, I'm talking about what would be equal to talkgroups. Although it does make me feel better others cannot find the answer either. :-) Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: I talked to an owner of a system last night and he confirmed that user ID's are 8 digit, as are talk groups. There are some numbers that are reserved for all-call and other things, so the straight math doesn't work out exactly, but it's so many theoretical users and talk groups, you'd never hit the limit on a system. Also there's new features to allow trunking at a site, and multiple repeaters, but even then... eight digits is plenty for even a large multi-repeater setup. It's surprising this info isn't on any web pages anywhere... Nate On Mar 10, 2010, at 6:33 PM, MCH wrote: Just to clarify, I'm talking about what would be equal to talkgroups. Although it does make me feel better others cannot find the answer either. :-) Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] GE Mastr II VHF RX Wanted
Hey folks, Looking for some GE Mastr II receivers in the VHF high band. Don't need the whole mobile radio (to cut down on shipping costs). I just need the preselector, oscillator, IF, preamp (if available) and detector. I'm using them to build crossband repeaters out of UHF Mastr II mobiles to use for satellite receivers on a voter system for my club. Thanks, Jared
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story....
I've sent an e-check before. But that's because the purchase was over 2K u.s. No instant transfer option on that one =] Kb0wlf -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater- buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tedd Doda Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 8:56 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Pion and Simon - the rest of the story Kevin Custer wrote: John paid with an eCheck, which is subject to delays just like a check that clears the the bank. There are ways to transfer money to PayPal instantly, like instant transfers from checking and savings accounts. In all the years (since 1999) of selling on Ebay, I've never run into a e-cheque. Lucky me, I guess :) Tedd Doda, VE3TJD Lazer Audio and Electronics http://www.ve3tjd.com High Performance cars don't kill Low Performance drivers do Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.436 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2734 - Release Date: 03/11/10 07:33:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Each repeater handles two 6.25 KHz channels simultaneously, if that's what you mean...? But both channels are continuously received by the portables/mobiles. The transmission is one big interlaced TDMA signal that takes up the full 12.5 KHz spectrum even if only one channel is in use. I can be on user ID 0100, TG 0100 talking to you, user ID 0200 on one channel... And someone else can be simultaneously talking as user ID 0300, on TG 0200 to user 0400. And we won't hear each other. On the same repeater. If you buy their trunking stuff, you can then link repeaters at a site, and each repeater box means two more simultaneous channels of data. How the system directs the mobile/portables as to which frequency to monitor, I don't know. Moto uses color names for the channels. The local system some hams here built has two colors... one is local traffic, the other is routed to the IP link to some other repeaters full-time. In practice, these are programmed as Channel 1 and Channel 2 in the portables/mobiles. Want to talk locally? Channel 1. To someone on one of the IP linked repeaters, Channel 2. AFAIK the repeater doesn't care at all about any of this. The rigs are receiving both channels at the same time, and just watch for the Color Code, Unit ID (in the case of unit-to-unit calling) or their TG and open squelch appropriately. That probably changes in the trunked environment - the repeaters obviously must be active in deciding which transmitter to turn on. Don't know how that piece works when you grow beyond a single repeater. I assume there's data being transmitted from one or more transmitters continuously that tells the mobile/portables when to frequency hop. In IP linking without trunking, I believe all transmitters go active if you transmit on the color that's linked. Don't know how it handles glare (Someone transmits on Repeater A's color code that's IP linked to Repeater B and someone else keys up at the same time on Repeater B with the same color code.) Also don't know what gets priority if someone places a unit-to-unit call on the local color at the same time as a remote linked call for the same Unit ID comes in, but that logic would be in the portable/mobile rigs, not the repeater. Nate WY0X On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Don't they charge money for that privilege? I was under the impression that they do. Nate WY0X On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:00 AM, KT9AC wrote: Time to start taking the lead and develop something!! http://developer.motorola.com/products/twowayradios/
[Repeater-Builder] final comments re Pion and Simon Controller
As this should be the final comments on my order of a controller, the main reason there was a delay is that Paypal processed this order with an E Cheque. I had expected an instant transfer of money as has happened many times in the past but when they do an E Cheque, it takes 10 - 15 days to clear. The money came from my account instantly so I'll be contacting Paypal to see why this happened. I now have had several E mails from Pion and Simon, and the money has arrived, the card will be shipped to-day. Their phone number does not appear on their web site but I assume it will be added. it is 503-545-4732 I'm glad to know that I now have contact with Pion and Simon and I look forward to receiving the controller card. 73, John, VE3AMZ / W4 Orlando Florida
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On 3/11/2010 11:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Outside of the ones that are dedicated to a specific purpose, like interconnect, etc, all of them. Like any other trunked system.
[Repeater-Builder] GE Delta S990 Head Question
Has anyone succeeded in getting the alternative S-990 head firmware to work? If you have, please email me as I am having some difficulty. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
And there is not any special option to order to get multiple TGs? The base model will support all TGs that are possible? Joe M. wd8chl wrote: On 3/11/2010 11:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Outside of the ones that are dedicated to a specific purpose, like interconnect, etc, all of them. Like any other trunked system. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: Each repeater handles two 6.25 KHz channels simultaneously, if that's what you mean...? But both channels are continuously received by the portables/mobiles. The transmission is one big interlaced TDMA signal that takes up the full 12.5 KHz spectrum even if only one channel is in use. I can be on user ID 0100, TG 0100 talking to you, user ID 0200 on one channel... And someone else can be simultaneously talking as user ID 0300, on TG 0200 to user 0400. And we won't hear each other. On the same repeater. If you buy their trunking stuff, you can then link repeaters at a site, and each repeater box means two more simultaneous channels of data. How the system directs the mobile/portables as to which frequency to monitor, I don't know. Moto uses color names for the channels. The local system some hams here built has two colors... one is local traffic, the other is routed to the IP link to some other repeaters full-time. In practice, these are programmed as Channel 1 and Channel 2 in the portables/mobiles. Want to talk locally? Channel 1. To someone on one of the IP linked repeaters, Channel 2. AFAIK the repeater doesn't care at all about any of this. The rigs are receiving both channels at the same time, and just watch for the Color Code, Unit ID (in the case of unit-to-unit calling) or their TG and open squelch appropriately. That probably changes in the trunked environment - the repeaters obviously must be active in deciding which transmitter to turn on. Don't know how that piece works when you grow beyond a single repeater. I assume there's data being transmitted from one or more transmitters continuously that tells the mobile/portables when to frequency hop. In IP linking without trunking, I believe all transmitters go active if you transmit on the color that's linked. Don't know how it handles glare (Someone transmits on Repeater A's color code that's IP linked to Repeater B and someone else keys up at the same time on Repeater B with the same color code.) Also don't know what gets priority if someone places a unit-to-unit call on the local color at the same time as a remote linked call for the same Unit ID comes in, but that logic would be in the portable/mobile rigs, not the repeater. Nate WY0X On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Thanks for the explanation Nate. Reminds me of Smartnet II simulcast systems locally (one TG brings up all five sites for example). Tony Nate Duehr wrote: Each repeater handles two 6.25 KHz channels simultaneously, if that's what you mean...? But both channels are continuously received by the portables/mobiles. The transmission is one big interlaced TDMA signal that takes up the full 12.5 KHz spectrum even if only one channel is in use. I can be on user ID 0100, TG 0100 talking to you, user ID 0200 on one channel... And someone else can be simultaneously talking as user ID 0300, on TG 0200 to user 0400. And we won't hear each other. On the same repeater. If you buy their trunking stuff, you can then link repeaters at a site, and each repeater box means two more simultaneous channels of data. How the system directs the mobile/portables as to which frequency to monitor, I don't know. Moto uses color names for the channels. The local system some hams here built has two colors... one is local traffic, the other is routed to the IP link to some other repeaters full-time. In practice, these are programmed as Channel 1 and Channel 2 in the portables/mobiles. Want to talk locally? Channel 1. To someone on one of the IP linked repeaters, Channel 2. AFAIK the repeater doesn't care at all about any of this. The rigs are receiving both channels at the same time, and just watch for the Color Code, Unit ID (in the case of unit-to-unit calling) or their TG and open squelch appropriately. That probably changes in the trunked environment - the repeaters obviously must be active in deciding which transmitter to turn on. Don't know how that piece works when you grow beyond a single repeater. I assume there's data being transmitted from one or more transmitters continuously that tells the mobile/portables when to frequency hop. In IP linking without trunking, I believe all transmitters go active if you transmit on the color that's linked. Don't know how it handles glare (Someone transmits on Repeater A's color code that's IP linked to Repeater B and someone else keys up at the same time on Repeater B with the same color code.) Also don't know what gets priority if someone places a unit-to-unit call on the local color at the same time as a remote linked call for the same Unit ID comes in, but that logic would be in the portable/mobile rigs, not the repeater. Nate WY0X On Mar 11, 2010, at 9:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: repeater-builder-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On 3/11/2010 3:50 PM, MCH wrote: And there is not any special option to order to get multiple TGs? The base model will support all TGs that are possible? Joe M. I don't see why not. It's part of the protocol, kinda like IP addresses...sorta... I'm gonna say it's on the order of 65535 total most likely... wd8chl wrote: On 3/11/2010 11:10 AM, MCH wrote: And how many of these TGs can be used in a repeater at the same time? Thanks, Joe M. Outside of the ones that are dedicated to a specific purpose, like interconnect, etc, all of them. Like any other trunked system.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate Yahoo! Groups Links
[Repeater-Builder] Re: Motorola Announces Industry Leading Capabilities for MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System
Of course, hidden in this PR boasting MotoTRBO is our long-awaited upgrade for the MTR2000. But wait, it's not for P25 compatibility, but to TRBO compatibility. *sighs deeply* -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Brian Raker brian.ra...@gmail.com wrote: Motorola Announces Industry Leading Capabilities for MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System Transmit Interrupt Suite, 800/900 MHz Portables and Mobiles, New Base Stations/Repeaters Help Users Achieve New Levels of Efficiency and Worker Safety March 10, 2010 LAS VEGAS – March 10, 2010 – The Enterprise Mobility Solutions business of Motorola, Inc. (NYSE: MOT) today announced industry-first enhancements for its innovative MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System at the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) (Motorola Booth: #7001). Motorola continues to build upon MOTOTRBO with the launch of the industry’s first Transmit Interrupt Suite as well as new 800/900 MHz frequency band portable and mobile radios; a new 800 MHz frequency band repeater; a 900 MHz frequency band repeater; and a new UHF 100-watt, high-power base station/repeater. The new Transmit Interrupt Suite allows MOTOTRBO users to interrupt conversations during an emergency or to deliver business-critical communications exactly when and where it’s needed via the voice interrupt, remote voice dekey and emergency voice interrupt features. Transmit Interrupt is an ideal solution for public works agencies, utilities, private security and manufacturing, to help them increase employee safety and efficiency. Another example of MOTOTRBO’s industry leading innovation is the launch of 800/900 MHz capable radios. The XPR® 6580 display portable, XPR 6380 non-display portable, XPR 4580 display mobile and XPR 4380 numeric display mobile radios are currently available with all the great features of MOTOTRBO and operate in the 800 and 900 MHz frequency bands. New repeaters are also being added to the growing MOTOTRBO system lineup, including the XPR 8380, an 800 MHz frequency band repeater. This repeater provides continuous duty at 40W/UHF, 45W/VHF and 35W/800 MHz. It operates in analog and digital mode and supports two simultaneous voice or data paths in Time-Division Multiple-Access (TDMA) digital mode. A 900 MHz frequency band repeater is scheduled to ship for MOTOTRBO systems later this year. “Motorola is a company of firsts with a rich heritage of continuous innovation,” said Paul Cizek, Motorola director of North America Professional/Commercial Radios. “We are continuing this innovation with the MOTOTRBO system by offering industry-first features for professional digital radios with the Transmit Interrupt Suite and 800/900 MHz frequency band capabilities”. The new UHF 100-watt MTR3000 base station/repeater delivers high-power capability, which helps to improve coverage for users such as schools, public works, and transportation companies operating across a wide area or within large building structures including hospitals, shopping malls or casinos. The MTR3000 also features convenient access to station ports, shortening installation and maintenance time. With 16-channel capability, it operates in analog or digital mode and supports two simultaneous voice or data paths in TDMA digital. An upgrade kit is available for MTR2000 users, allowing them to migrate to the MTR3000 without a total repeater replacement. Michael Saia, vice president of radio dealer Saia Communications, Inc. in Buffalo, N.Y., said his customers are looking for the flexibility of the high-power MTR3000 repeater which can operate in analog or digital mode allowing them to migrate to digital at their own pace. “We have many customers who need a high power repeater to meet the communication needs of their business and the MOTOTRBO system with a MTR3000 repeater is the ideal solution.” Saia said. “And with the MTR2000 upgrade process; we are able to easily migrate existing users to the advantages of digital technology at a significantly lower cost than if they had to do a complete replacement of their existing equipment.” MOTOTRBO meets the 12.5 kHz capability requirement mandate for narrowbanding, ensuring professional users compliance with FCC regulations. With its TDMA digital technology, MOTOTRBO provides additional benefits over alternate digital technologies including lower infrastructure costs, longer battery life and advanced features. “These benefits make TDMA the digital choice of the future for professional two-way radio communications,” said Cizek. “Delivering advanced features and more system capacity while being able to leverage existing spectrum resources at a significant cost savings, make it a clear choice over Frequency-Division Multiple-Access (FDMA) digital solutions. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to:
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Just the frequency, and not which TGs it passes? Do all TRBO repeaters pass all TRBO format transmissions? Even those of people who are not authorized to use the repeater? Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2736 - Release Date: 03/11/10 02:33:00
[Repeater-Builder] Motorola Announces Industry Leading Capabilities for MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System
Motorola Announces Industry Leading Capabilities for MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System Transmit Interrupt Suite, 800/900 MHz Portables and Mobiles, New Base Stations/Repeaters Help Users Achieve New Levels of Efficiency and Worker Safety March 10, 2010 LAS VEGAS – March 10, 2010 – The Enterprise Mobility Solutions business of Motorola, Inc. (NYSE: MOT) today announced industry-first enhancements for its innovative MOTOTRBO™ Professional Digital Two-way Radio System at the International Wireless Communications Expo (IWCE) (Motorola Booth: #7001). Motorola continues to build upon MOTOTRBO with the launch of the industry’s first Transmit Interrupt Suite as well as new 800/900 MHz frequency band portable and mobile radios; a new 800 MHz frequency band repeater; a 900 MHz frequency band repeater; and a new UHF 100-watt, high-power base station/repeater. The new Transmit Interrupt Suite allows MOTOTRBO users to interrupt conversations during an emergency or to deliver business-critical communications exactly when and where it’s needed via the voice interrupt, remote voice dekey and emergency voice interrupt features. Transmit Interrupt is an ideal solution for public works agencies, utilities, private security and manufacturing, to help them increase employee safety and efficiency. Another example of MOTOTRBO’s industry leading innovation is the launch of 800/900 MHz capable radios. The XPR® 6580 display portable, XPR 6380 non-display portable, XPR 4580 display mobile and XPR 4380 numeric display mobile radios are currently available with all the great features of MOTOTRBO and operate in the 800 and 900 MHz frequency bands. New repeaters are also being added to the growing MOTOTRBO system lineup, including the XPR 8380, an 800 MHz frequency band repeater. This repeater provides continuous duty at 40W/UHF, 45W/VHF and 35W/800 MHz. It operates in analog and digital mode and supports two simultaneous voice or data paths in Time-Division Multiple-Access (TDMA) digital mode. A 900 MHz frequency band repeater is scheduled to ship for MOTOTRBO systems later this year. “Motorola is a company of firsts with a rich heritage of continuous innovation,” said Paul Cizek, Motorola director of North America Professional/Commercial Radios. “We are continuing this innovation with the MOTOTRBO system by offering industry-first features for professional digital radios with the Transmit Interrupt Suite and 800/900 MHz frequency band capabilities”. The new UHF 100-watt MTR3000 base station/repeater delivers high-power capability, which helps to improve coverage for users such as schools, public works, and transportation companies operating across a wide area or within large building structures including hospitals, shopping malls or casinos. The MTR3000 also features convenient access to station ports, shortening installation and maintenance time. With 16-channel capability, it operates in analog or digital mode and supports two simultaneous voice or data paths in TDMA digital. An upgrade kit is available for MTR2000 users, allowing them to migrate to the MTR3000 without a total repeater replacement. Michael Saia, vice president of radio dealer Saia Communications, Inc. in Buffalo, N.Y., said his customers are looking for the flexibility of the high-power MTR3000 repeater which can operate in analog or digital mode allowing them to migrate to digital at their own pace. “We have many customers who need a high power repeater to meet the communication needs of their business and the MOTOTRBO system with a MTR3000 repeater is the ideal solution.” Saia said. “And with the MTR2000 upgrade process; we are able to easily migrate existing users to the advantages of digital technology at a significantly lower cost than if they had to do a complete replacement of their existing equipment.” MOTOTRBO meets the 12.5 kHz capability requirement mandate for narrowbanding, ensuring professional users compliance with FCC regulations. With its TDMA digital technology, MOTOTRBO provides additional benefits over alternate digital technologies including lower infrastructure costs, longer battery life and advanced features. “These benefits make TDMA the digital choice of the future for professional two-way radio communications,” said Cizek. “Delivering advanced features and more system capacity while being able to leverage existing spectrum resources at a significant cost savings, make it a clear choice over Frequency-Division Multiple-Access (FDMA) digital solutions. Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: repeater-builder-dig...@yahoogroups.com repeater-builder-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To
RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
Joe, I *think* this system works like other trunking schemes, where each radio has an ID number associated to it, which it broadcasts with each PTT. THIS is what has to be authorized for repeater access, not the talkgroup. But I may be wrong - I'm not that familiar with MotoTRBO. (We do have a MotoTRBO system where I work - I can check further if necessary.) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems Just the frequency, and not which TGs it passes? Do all TRBO repeaters pass all TRBO format transmissions? Even those of people who are not authorized to use the repeater? Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MCH m...@nb.net wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate
[Repeater-Builder] For Sale: 2 SCOM 5k Repeater Controllers
Hi Group, I have two SCOM 5k repeater controllers that are surplus to my needs. I bought one to use on a standalone repeater and then changed it out for an ACC, the other was part of a package I bought from a friend. Both of them are in factory rack mount cabinets. One of them has a display, the other does not. They are both in fine working condition, no issues. Asking $120 for the non-display unit, $150 for the display unit. Shipping is $15 on each of these. Buy 'em both and I'll pay the shipping. Please e-mail me directly at surf_bo...@yahoo.com if you're interested. Thanks! Chris
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
On Mar 11, 2010, at 6:53 PM, MCH wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. They're on different frequencies. Not sure what you're saying here. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? The color codes are like CTCSS or DCS, someone wants to use your repeater they have to know your frequency, and what color codes are active on the repeater, I assume. Those I'm sure are programmed into the repeater, but the data stream with the user ID's and talk group numbers, the repeater probably doesn't care about... it's just data passing by. It all depends on if they demodulate the digital signal at the repeater and then remodulate, whether or not they can do stuff with that information at the repeater site. They probably do, but they probably also rely on off-board applications via some standardized connector, protocol (likely serial), and an application programming interface to do that stuff at the repeater site. It would be shortsighted to put too much brains into the repeater box's controller itself modular is good, in this case. As far as how to really secure a radio network... first off, nothing's 100% secure.. but one implementation is like cell phone networks that have always had serialized radios that transmit their factory-burnt-in serial numbers, but very few 2-way systems have ever had that feature. I doubt TRBO does either. That would be the only way to keep a radio from talking on your repeater. (Think IMEI numbers on cell phones.) Another way is loading an encryption key into each rig that has access to a certain system, and using decryption on each stream to look and see that a particular rig is transmitting a specific key prior to repeating, whenever the radio keys up. That's a bit much, but could be done in any digital radio system. I hear that there's been talk of radio serialization in P25, somehow tied to the encryption functionality. If not that, there's supposedly already some proprietary systems that you can load an encryption key into a fleet of rigs, and those radios can then be remotely shut off or even fully wiped by the radio system manager... if someone steals one and want's to play with it. Stuff like that. But does TRBO have these features? I kinda doubt it. But again, I don't own any of these things... this stuff's just REALLY obvious to anyone who's worked in wireline data for 20 years. The two-way world is finally catching up to the rest of the world now that the on-air protocols are digital... the same progression is happening that happened to LAN technology that eventually became The Internet... 1. Get data flowing, build some protocols for transporting it. 2. Mess around with all the transport mechanisms for a few years until someone comes up with an elegant transport layer mechanism that everyone agrees is robust enough and simple enough to transport whatever. (TCP/IP... which is a misnomer, since UDP/IP is used just as heavily these days... but doesn't get its name up in lights.) While doing this, figure out a global routing scheme. 3. Realize dumb/malicious people will dork around with the transport if you let them. Employ encryption on the embedded data. 4. Realize again that dumb/malicious people will dork around with the unencrypted headers. Come out with a way to encrypt the whole thing that's so complex, no one's interested. Two-way digital radio is right in the middle of step two, historically speaking. Which digital on-air protocol is going to be the historical version of IP (a good protocol suite, annoyingly simple, and works well but has warts, and will survive seemingly forever), and which one is IPX (going to die but was probably implemented better for the short-term, but has limitations that mean it can't be used long-term), and which one is Banyan Vines (going to die REAL fast because it's too specialized but works well)... remains to be seen. :-) Same thing's going on in my line of work. ALL... and I mean ALL of the mistakes the audio-conferencing folks made in the 90's and then fixed, are being made again by the video-conferencing people, and fixed again. There's nothing new under the Sun. There could probably be a book written about this same technology cycle over and over again... or maybe there already has been... Early adopters are bright folks who get some TECH thing and it does little. They have to make it do something interesting or useful from scratch... Middle adopters come along, and the bright folks decide they're tired of answering questions so they make it easier by building systems from that tech that do useful things and take away some of the choices... Late adopters come along and by then, the middle adopters have formed fan camps and know that this is the best way to use this tech... this
[Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
MotoTRBO systems (handhelds, mobiles, and repeaters) use color codes to determine which radios are associated with which repeater. These Color Codes are the equivalent of PL/DPL/NAC. Chris --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mark n9...@... wrote: Joe, I *think* this system works like other trunking schemes, where each radio has an ID number associated to it, which it broadcasts with each PTT. THIS is what has to be authorized for repeater access, not the talkgroup. But I may be wrong - I'm not that familiar with MotoTRBO. (We do have a MotoTRBO system where I work - I can check further if necessary.) Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of MCH Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2010 9:42 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems Just the frequency, and not which TGs it passes? Do all TRBO repeaters pass all TRBO format transmissions? Even those of people who are not authorized to use the repeater? Joe M. Brian Raker wrote: You do have to program it to use a set frequency pair, just like any other repeater. -BR On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 5:53 PM, MCH m...@... wrote: So if there are two TRBO repeaters in the same area, there is no way to keep them both from being active and interfering with each other? That doesn't sound right. Or, if I have a repeater, anyone can just buy TRBO radios and use it? Joe M. Nate Duehr wrote: On 3/11/2010 1:54 PM, MCH wrote: I was talking about how many can be programmed in the repeater, not necessarily active at the same time per se. IOW, how many talkgroups can you program into the repeater. I'm assuming that you can 'deprogram' some if you have two systems in the same area. I think WD8CHL answered the question I had - any or all can be made active (except for a few reserved for special use). Joe M. AFAIK the repeater doesn't get programmed with them at all. It just passes them. They're just addresses. The radios handle whether or not they're listening for a particular talk group. Nate
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: HAM Mototrbo Systems
p.s. If any of this were simple, tech support jobs would dry up and be a thing of the past. :-) I literally had a lady on the phone tonight who couldn't figure out that when she clicked on twenty different things at a time, her PC got so busy it caused the operating system to start throwing errors. (Actually she DID know this, but wanted to pretend she didn't.) She also didn't realize that this made it impossible to troubleshoot her actual PROBLEM she called about, and that saying you're computer illiterate when you're the person in charge of a large company's digital video systems and you're on the phone with the vendors tech support, isn't really all that funny or cute... but she thought it was. Not saying I wasn't glad she called. Hell, they pay me for this? All I have to do is be patient enough to outlast her clicking festival, ask her to close twenty windows and follow instructions, and then send me the log files so I can read exactly what the computer did wrong -- while her opinion was that the computer must just be as tired and cranky as I am? Talk about easy money... I'll take that phone call any day of the week. Especially since they pay me overtime. It did, however, cut into a class I was supposed to attend tonight for an outside-of-work extracurricular activity, so I was miffed... but I'll get over it when the paycheck arrives. How many people on this list have had to help HAMS (you know, the technical elite of the country's radio technicians and an asset to the country... bwahaha...) program a CTCSS tone into a radio so they could access a repeater. Be honest. You can learn how stuff works, or you can call Customer Service. :-) And I swear, sometimes people don't call with the goal of actually fixing said problem in mind, but thirty other things, and they're trying to do them all at once. This, of course, never works out well for them... but you just patiently wait until they figure this out, and then start over... Of course, we all have our specialties. I hate plumbing with a passion, and it hates me. My plumber makes as good a living as I do. Must be a lot of folks out there like me who handed a couple of simple pipe connectors and pipes, will screw it up EVERY time. I at least know better than to make jokes about how bad I am at plumbing, and how plumbing illiterate I am -- like it's funny or cute. I just tell him what I need done, ask for an estimate, and pay the man. Nate WY0X
