Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38A Programming

2007-10-29 Thread ALASTAIR GRAHAM
Jim,
   
  Thanks once again for the input  help
   
  As it stands tonight the repeater is operational after 5 hours at site 
setting up the audio again problem is the base station we use is not that 
forgiving with is comes to audio levels (Nokia BSR 150)
   
  On the older Zetron panel which was the basic 38 I could go onto the board  
do further adjustment although the newer 38A does not have any pots to adjust 
so out with the resister box  a good set of ears
   
  As the station ID it has settled down to every 15 minutes although the Morse 
is going out at around 22 words a minute, awaiting call back from Zetron to see 
if I can adjust the timer  speed on this apart from using the enabled user 
number
   
  Get on very well with Zetron here in the UK as used to use them with my last 
company so when it comes to support  manuals they are very happy to help me 
out ( I aways have them laughing on the phone when I call so I have never been 
forgotten even there operator knows me by first name before saying who I am)
   
  Awaiting a call back  email from Jose at tech support, one thing I did find 
out is there are hidden menus  passwords so once I get that information I will 
pass it on to yourself.
   
  Jim I would rather leave the Zetron on site as we have major problems with 
transients like the site goes onto generator during working hour the back onto 
the grid after with has caused endless problems which I think was the main 
cause of the original logic (RC210) going u/s least the Zetron would cope well
   
  In all the year of looking after commercial repeater sites I have not had one 
go down yet
   
  Right time for bed here so better move
   
  PS For you information the repeater is GB3FF  it does run on echo-link but 
just moved home so awaiting the antenna to go up so off line just now oh  if 
you fancy having a look at the set up www.csfmg.com it will give you an idea on 
how things run here in Scotland
   
  Many thanks once again Jim your help is much appreciated
   
  Best Regards
  Al
   
   
   
   
   
  

Jim Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Al, I would program the Z38A the way you have with one change.  I 
am sure the system ID should be the same as the user ID, so instead of 
assigning the system ID to an unused user ID, I would use the user ID as the 
system ID.  Just enter the user number for the tone you are using for normal 
user use in the system ID and that should work.
   
  I have had no case of the ID going away completely like you mention.  I have 
never used the system ID except for long enough to see that it caused an ID 
every interval entered for the ID.  The user ID runs at the end of the first 
transmission the user makes and will not run again until the ID interval 
expires.  There will be no user ID after the ID timer for the user expires, 
only after the end of the next transmission the user makes.
   
  If you wanted to identify each user on the system, I guess you could assign a 
different tone access to each user and then enable the DTMF user ID at the end 
of each transmission.  If you had a DTMF readout on a receiver listening to the 
repeater, you could identify each user that way.  I don't remember if you could 
assign a different ID interval to the system ID from the user ID, but at the 
end of the first transmission a user makes, you could send his CW ID and have 
him identified each time he starts a session on the repeater and every ID 
interval after that.
   
  The first thing I did on setting up my Z38As was to go through the manual I 
found at the repeater-builders site (courtesy Eric Lemmon) and verify each 
command that my unit will respond to.  I found that the manual was for a later 
model Z38A than the ones I have, and my units respond to a sub-set of the 
commands found in the manual.  In particular, my units will not operate open 
squelch, you must have a tone to get into them.  The later model units will 
allow you to enable user 0 and have the repeater operate with just the COR 
input and no tone.
   
  I have never considered using the individual user ID in an amateur radio 
application.  I just entered the repeater callsign in each tone frequency I 
enabled.  The reason we even have more than one tone enabled is to allow 
different uses of the repeater.  Normal operation requires one tone, while 
operation of the EchoLink interface requires a different tone.  And special use 
of the repeater for Search and Rescue operations uses a third tone so that the 
operating time for this mode can be reported as verified emergency operations 
to our site sponsor.  We have a requirement at one site to report all emergency 
operations to help validate the need for the site, and the power it consumes.
   
  By the way, the ID is transmitted with a tone when it is enabled, so for the 
EchoLink tone we disable the ID in the Z38A for that tone and let EchoLink ID 
the repeater when that mode is in use.  This prevents the ID from being 

Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38 Panel

2007-10-26 Thread ALASTAIR GRAHAM
Jim,
   
  No problems I should have said :- )
   
  Ok one of the local comms guys has swapped me for the newer 38A all working 
as should be including the Morse ID every 15 Min's great
   
  Only thing I wont be able to do is get 1750Hz access although I notice on the 
alarm side you can change the tones to 1750Hz but looks like encode only ?
   
  Another mater Hamtronix ELECTRA 2000
   
  Any input on these would be helpful what I can tell so far is they are a 
great logic  at a great price although 2 emails  two weeks later I am still 
awaiting a reply re 1750Hz access
   
  Regards
  Al

Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ALASTAIR GRAHAM wrote:

 And sorry I forgot to say I am over here in the UK hence the 15min ident

Oh-I didn't think about that...nevermind!
;c}
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Jim Barbour
WD8CHL






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38 Panel

2007-10-25 Thread ALASTAIR GRAHAM
Hi Jim  All,
   
  Firstly the tone panel is a Zetron 38 not an A or max !
   
  Jim you are right about the DTMF ident really only for trouble shooting over 
air etc
   
  And sorry I forgot to say I am over here in the UK hence the 15min ident
   
  Speaking to tech at Zetron today he agrees that it looks like aa hardware 
issue as the hardware was made custom for Phillips back in 1985 (when I had 
hair)
   
  One thing that I think may be causing the ident not to trigger the radio TX 
could be one of the various jumper setting inside although no circuit diagram 
for that
   
  As before you can hear the ident every 15 (only on audio line to test set)  
it does not pull the radio into TX 
   
  As everything else I have got going except this id with TX every 15 Min's
   
  Ps one post suggested using user tone 0 for the id Zetron will not accept this
   
  The Joys...
   
  Thanks for all the posts anyway guys
   
  Regards
  Al 
Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  radiotech808 wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I am trying to get the Zetron 38 running on our local 2 meter 
 repeater (only as a temp measure) due to logic problems

 What I want
 
 Morse ident out every 15mins as to comply with the regs, the ident 
 does go out but no radio tx any thoughts

You do know that ham ID regs call for 10 minute ID intervals, not 15?

 Station ID
 
 At the moment the station id is DTMF I want to chnage this to morse 
 once again any thoughts or ideas

Never heard of a DTMF ID on a tone panelI think it's a unit 
ID/customer ID for the sake of billing or troubleshooting.

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Jim Barbour
WD8CHL






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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38 Panel

2007-10-24 Thread ALASTAIR GRAHAM
John,
   
  Thanks for the reply
   
  One thing I do have is the manual although not all DTMF programming commands 
work with my panel still suspect it's a hardware issue
   
  Will speak to Zetron tomorrow see what they come up with !
   
  Regards
  Al 
  

Maire-Radios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  what you are talking about the ID in DTMF and the time factor are all in 
programming.  I don't have a book on the unit here but it all can be done.
   
  John
   
   
- Original Message - 
  From: radiotech808 
  To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 4:18 PM
  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Zetron 38 Panel
  

Hi All,

I am trying to get the Zetron 38 running on our local 2 meter 
repeater (only as a temp measure) due to logic problems

What I want

Morse ident out every 15mins as to comply with the regs, the ident 
does go out but no radio tx any thoughts

Station ID

At the moment the station id is DTMF I want to chnage this to morse 
once again any thoughts or ideas

Ps The 38 I have is fairly old hardware (ver 1.5) so what I am 
looking for might not work ?

Regards
Al