RE: Jam Assembler
Hi David, I had a quick peek at the latest version and noticed that the jar is the same as the old one (july 2010). Opened up my source file and the first thing I wanted to do was find where I had left off... grrr no CTRL+F (as mentioned earlier). So I thought I'd have another look at Eclipse for fun, starting at http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs#Implementing_Support_for_Y our_Own_Language I could use someone else's compiler (http://pasmo.speccy.org for example) or Andrew's py80 (of which the only reference I can find is on a Czech site referring to a SAM Revival article) but I seem to already have used lots of nice JAM features in my source requiring more tinkering to that. Any chance of a command line version JAM compiler? Cheers! Stefan -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of david brant Sent: maandag 6 februari 2012 20:15 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Jam Assembler On 6 Feb 2012, at 08:57, Andrew Gillen wrote: david brant davidcbrant@... writes: Hi All, I've uploaded a new version of Jam Assembler to my web site. It's not the version I was hoping to upload but it is an improvement on the last. Has easier object loader on SAM Coupe side hope people like it. I've also updated the read me file so please read it. Any problems please e-mail me I've updated the e-mail link on the read me. If you already have Jam Ass you can download it then just copy the JAR file and the object.mgt file over if you like. I think these are the only files that have changed. All the best David Hi David I gave the new JAM a go this weekend. It built some of my old space invaders source without any modification and the loader seems to work fine for me. I have yet to read the Read Me but that is usually the last resort, right? :) Cheers Andrew NO! It's not just a PC version of comet. There are differences to comet, extra features and commands like Macros and Classes. Come on. I didn't write the readme for my health. It's worth a look. I would look at entering source onwards for a start.
Re: Jam Assembler
On 12 Feb 2012, at 23:01, Stefan Drissen wrote: Andrew's py80 (of which the only reference I can find is on a Czech site referring to a SAM Revival article) http://www.intensity.org.uk/samcoupe/pyz80.html Andrew
RE: Jam Assembler
Thanks - searching for pyz80 instead of py80 (which did return a hit at http://sam.speccy.cz/revivalmag.html) helps :-) -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of Andrew Collier Sent: maandag 13 februari 2012 00:13 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Jam Assembler On 12 Feb 2012, at 23:01, Stefan Drissen wrote: Andrew's py80 (of which the only reference I can find is on a Czech site referring to a SAM Revival article) http://www.intensity.org.uk/samcoupe/pyz80.html Andrew
Re: Jam Assembler
On 12 Feb 2012, at 23:01, Stefan Drissen wrote: Hi David, I had a quick peek at the latest version and noticed that the jar is the same as the old one (july 2010). Opened up my source file and the first thing I wanted to do was find where I had left off... grrr no CTRL+F (as mentioned earlier). So I thought I'd have another look at Eclipse for fun, starting at http://wiki.eclipse.org/The_Official_Eclipse_FAQs#Implementing_Support_for_Y our_Own_Language I could use someone else's compiler (http://pasmo.speccy.org for example) or Andrew's py80 (of which the only reference I can find is on a Czech site referring to a SAM Revival article) but I seem to already have used lots of nice JAM features in my source requiring more tinkering to that. Any chance of a command line version JAM compiler? Cheers! Stefan Yes Stefan it is the same as the one I sent you, just with the extra bit for the SAM Coupe end. It has find tab in the project view but no replace. I have started work on a new version which has find and replace window. I have designed the window for a find/replace but not much else. Command line version should be possible. -Original Message- From: owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no [mailto:owner-sam-us...@nvg.ntnu.no] On Behalf Of david brant Sent: maandag 6 februari 2012 20:15 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Jam Assembler On 6 Feb 2012, at 08:57, Andrew Gillen wrote: david brant davidcbrant@... writes: Hi All, I've uploaded a new version of Jam Assembler to my web site. It's not the version I was hoping to upload but it is an improvement on the last. Has easier object loader on SAM Coupe side hope people like it. I've also updated the read me file so please read it. Any problems please e-mail me I've updated the e-mail link on the read me. If you already have Jam Ass you can download it then just copy the JAR file and the object.mgt file over if you like. I think these are the only files that have changed. All the best David Hi David I gave the new JAM a go this weekend. It built some of my old space invaders source without any modification and the loader seems to work fine for me. I have yet to read the Read Me but that is usually the last resort, right? :) Cheers Andrew NO! It's not just a PC version of comet. There are differences to comet, extra features and commands like Macros and Classes. Come on. I didn't write the readme for my health. It's worth a look. I would look at entering source onwards for a start.
Re: Jam Assembler
david brant davidcbrant@... writes: Hi All, I've uploaded a new version of Jam Assembler to my web site. It's not the version I was hoping to upload but it is an improvement on the last. Has easier object loader on SAM Coupe side hope people like it. I've also updated the read me file so please read it. Any problems please e-mail me I've updated the e-mail link on the read me. If you already have Jam Ass you can download it then just copy the JAR file and the object.mgt file over if you like. I think these are the only files that have changed. All the best David Hi David I gave the new JAM a go this weekend. It built some of my old space invaders source without any modification and the loader seems to work fine for me. I have yet to read the Read Me but that is usually the last resort, right? :) Cheers Andrew
Re: Jam Assembler
On 6 Feb 2012, at 08:57, Andrew Gillen wrote: david brant davidcbrant@... writes: Hi All, I've uploaded a new version of Jam Assembler to my web site. It's not the version I was hoping to upload but it is an improvement on the last. Has easier object loader on SAM Coupe side hope people like it. I've also updated the read me file so please read it. Any problems please e-mail me I've updated the e-mail link on the read me. If you already have Jam Ass you can download it then just copy the JAR file and the object.mgt file over if you like. I think these are the only files that have changed. All the best David Hi David I gave the new JAM a go this weekend. It built some of my old space invaders source without any modification and the loader seems to work fine for me. I have yet to read the Read Me but that is usually the last resort, right? :) Cheers Andrew NO! It's not just a PC version of comet. There are differences to comet, extra features and commands like Macros and Classes. Come on. I didn't write the readme for my health. It's worth a look. I would look at entering source onwards for a start.
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
Hi David, I have used JAM and found it to be an excellent environment. Much of the original code I wrote for Dave was developed using it but I found the default build to address $8000 a limitation, so I ended up with a context/pasmo setup where I could do what I wanted and build to any address. Cheers Andrew On 1 Feb 2012, at 07:59, david brant davidcbr...@yahoo.com wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
Ah, well the feedback is probably my fault then as it's the only cross-assembler I've been using for SAM stuff. I tried PASMO and AS8080 but so far haven't really streamlined my compile-test-debug phases, so it was a natural choice. I'll send you the details off-list... :) Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
Quoting Balor Price toberm...@waitrose.com: Ah, well the feedback is probably my fault then as it's the only cross-assembler I've been using for SAM stuff. I tried PASMO and AS8080 but so far haven't really streamlined my compile-test-debug phases, so it was a natural choice. I'll send you the details off-list... :) Howard I've never seen JAM myself (will avoid strawberry related puns!) but will certainly have a look at this too when I have time!
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
Ah. I am a moron. Updated from Java 6 update 21 to update 30 and the problem went away. Must say, though, I would never have expected that to have been a problem, especially because your binaries are all JAR files instead of JAD midlets. Okay I'm confused again now! Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
On a related but slightly different note... Sometime in the near future, I want to get back into a fairly major SAM gaming project I was working on. I'm going to give JAM a go (Just quickly tested it on my machine running Windows 7, and seemks to work fine!). :-) I made the mistake of working in GamesMaster again when I started it last year, but I hit a bit of an annoying brick wall with it (Yes, I know... but it worked so well for my first few games! :-D ) Unfortunately those limitations AREN'T because of the limitations of the SAM, so I don't want to compromise the game from what it could do, simply because of GamesMaster. So my plan is to re-program it in Assembly. And my question is... (I think I may have asked this before, but for the life of me I can't remember, so sorry if I have!) what's the best resource for learning it?? ;-) Dave, I love what you've done with Dave Invaders :-D What did you read for learning how to program it? Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Ah. I am a moron. Updated from Java 6 update 21 to update 30 and the problem went away. Must say, though, I would never have expected that to have been a problem, especially because your binaries are all JAR files instead of JAD midlets. Okay I'm confused again now! Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
I was too young to appreciate it at the time but I think Fred had a great series on assembly and the Sam that flowed into the sort of topics specifically of interest to game writers. Has anyone converted those to a modern document format? Other than that I can tell you that z80 questions tend to get answered very quickly and in a good amount of detail on StackOverflow though one appears only once every other month or so, so it's not much of a learning resource. On 1 Feb 2012, at 10:39, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: On a related but slightly different note... Sometime in the near future, I want to get back into a fairly major SAM gaming project I was working on. I'm going to give JAM a go (Just quickly tested it on my machine running Windows 7, and seemks to work fine!). :-) I made the mistake of working in GamesMaster again when I started it last year, but I hit a bit of an annoying brick wall with it (Yes, I know... but it worked so well for my first few games! :-D ) Unfortunately those limitations AREN'T because of the limitations of the SAM, so I don't want to compromise the game from what it could do, simply because of GamesMaster. So my plan is to re-program it in Assembly. And my question is... (I think I may have asked this before, but for the life of me I can't remember, so sorry if I have!) what's the best resource for learning it?? ;-) Dave, I love what you've done with Dave Invaders :-D What did you read for learning how to program it? Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Ah. I am a moron. Updated from Java 6 update 21 to update 30 and the problem went away. Must say, though, I would never have expected that to have been a problem, especially because your binaries are all JAR files instead of JAD midlets. Okay I'm confused again now! Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
On 01-Feb-12 10:39, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: On a related but slightly different note... Sometime in the near future, I want to get back into a fairly major SAM gaming project I was working on. I'm going to give JAM a go (Just quickly tested it on my machine running Windows 7, and seemks to work fine!). :-) I made the mistake of working in GamesMaster again when I started it last year, but I hit a bit of an annoying brick wall with it (Yes, I know... but it worked so well for my first few games! :-D ) Unfortunately those limitations AREN'T because of the limitations of the SAM, so I don't want to compromise the game from what it could do, simply because of GamesMaster. So my plan is to re-program it in Assembly. And my question is... (I think I may have asked this before, but for the life of me I can't remember, so sorry if I have!) what's the best resource for learning it?? ;-) Dave, I love what you've done with Dave Invaders :-D What did you read for learning how to program it? Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Ah. I am a moron. Updated from Java 6 update 21 to update 30 and the problem went away. Must say, though, I would never have expected that to have been a problem, especially because your binaries are all JAR files instead of JAD midlets. Okay I'm confused again now! Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard (Sorry for thread-based top-posting again, back to the bottom in my defence top-posting is the standard at work) what's the best resource for learning [assembler]?? ;-) Personal experience? For reference, you'll need: *The Technical Manual /http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=SAM+coupe+technical+manualie=utf-8oe=utf-8aq=trls=org.mozilla:en-GB:officialclient=firefox-a/ *Rodney Zaks' Programming the Z80www.z80.info/zip/zaks_book.pdf *At least one other person to talk to, bounce ideas off, and experiment with. Ideally, you'll be wanting a bound version of these three items, because you'll be referencing them an awful lot! -Howard
Re: JAM Assembler 1.13 problems?
Andrew/Balor/thomas those links and info are great! Thanks very much! (Finding a place with all the fred stuff is great... I've got a lot of them, but they're all hidden in a box somewhere lol!) Think I've got an 'original' copy of the tech manual that I got from FRED back in the old days, but handy to have the PDF too! In a few months when I have some free time, I'm planning to get back into my SAM game project. :-) So keep an eye out!! Quoting Andrew Gillen a...@joua.net: The Fred stuff is a goldmine. Http://Sam.speccy.cz/coding.HTML has the series I think you are referring to. I used some code for the define key routine in my game from that series. Personally, my basis for z80 learning was from the speccy. William Tangs Spectrum Machine Language for the Absolute Beginner helped massively to get the basic concepts, then jon cauldwell's excellent tutorial helped with game flow and stuff like scoring. I wrote a smAll, simple space invaders clone on speccy before moving on to the sam where I did a conversion of it as my first project (which was to be included as a hidden extra in Dave, buy I forgot to put it in). Couple that lot with the tech manual and lurking on the World of Spectrum development forum sponging information and it all came together... Slowly! Cheers Andrew On 1 Feb 2012, at 11:02, Thomas Harte tomh.retros...@gmail.com wrote: I was too young to appreciate it at the time but I think Fred had a great series on assembly and the Sam that flowed into the sort of topics specifically of interest to game writers. Has anyone converted those to a modern document format? Other than that I can tell you that z80 questions tend to get answered very quickly and in a good amount of detail on StackOverflow though one appears only once every other month or so, so it's not much of a learning resource. On 1 Feb 2012, at 10:39, war...@wdlee.co.uk wrote: On a related but slightly different note... Sometime in the near future, I want to get back into a fairly major SAM gaming project I was working on. I'm going to give JAM a go (Just quickly tested it on my machine running Windows 7, and seemks to work fine!). :-) I made the mistake of working in GamesMaster again when I started it last year, but I hit a bit of an annoying brick wall with it (Yes, I know... but it worked so well for my first few games! :-D ) Unfortunately those limitations AREN'T because of the limitations of the SAM, so I don't want to compromise the game from what it could do, simply because of GamesMaster. So my plan is to re-program it in Assembly. And my question is... (I think I may have asked this before, but for the life of me I can't remember, so sorry if I have!) what's the best resource for learning it?? ;-) Dave, I love what you've done with Dave Invaders :-D What did you read for learning how to program it? Quoting Balor Price toberm...@cookingcircle.co.uk: Ah. I am a moron. Updated from Java 6 update 21 to update 30 and the problem went away. Must say, though, I would never have expected that to have been a problem, especially because your binaries are all JAR files instead of JAD midlets. Okay I'm confused again now! Howard On 01-Feb-12 07:59, david brant wrote: People do use it then, not had much in the way of feedback. Jam Assembler does not doing anything special with the font or anything like that. It would be using Windows API for fonts and messages etc. i.e. anything standard windows stuff. Jam Assembler not been tested on anything newer than XP though. What version of Java is your computer using? Have you tried re loading Jam Assembler? I have a newer version on my computer which sorts out some project view issues and does method inheritance I'll upload it tonight with a bit of luck. Otherwise can you send me a screen shot please. On 1 Feb 2012, at 01:19, Balor Price wrote: So, hmmm... while I'm fired up... Anyone having problems with the GUI in Jam Assembler? It's been a while since I tinkered, but now I'm getting gobbledygook instead of English in the dropdown menus and dialogue boxes... At a guess I'd say the font lookups had gone askew, it's a JAR file that's executed so it's not relying on Windows API calls or anything. David? Howard
Re: JAM Assembler - issue with RET M
Hi Stefan, I thought I tested all the opcodes in the convertion, I will look into it. Good point about find/replace I see what I can do. All the best David On 17 Jul 2010, at 23:41, Stefan Drissen wrote: After previous post I thought I'd happily find / replace all implicit ADD A opcodes... but there is no find / replace... :-( Twenty assemble attempts later I run into the following strange conversion: RET M from a Comet source is converted to: RET ·HELP Best regards, Stefan
Re: JAM Assembler - issue with RET M
Great! I think all the M conditions are handled incorrectly, JP M was also converted to JP .HELP Best regards, Stefan On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 1:38 PM, david brant davidcbr...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Stefan, I thought I tested all the opcodes in the convertion, I will look into it
Re: JAM Assembler - creating object file
Never mind, the first bytes are used by the loadfile.o routine to load the object code to the correct address in the correct page... On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Stefan Drissen stefan.dris...@gmail.comwrote: Maybe I'm just daft, but I don't get it... so I've created the massively complex m/c routine: DUMP 1,0 ORG 32768 LD A,6 OUT (254),A RET I then assemble this (F11) and then run SimCoupe (F9). 1. starting SimCoupe starts it without the object.mgt disk being opened. 2. so open it manually and boot1 The object binary is 15 bytes - it should only be 5 bytes based on the source above. Viewing the contents of the binary shows that it contains some leading and trailing rubbish: 32768: 0 32769: 0 32770: 5 32771: 0 32772: 1 32773: 62 - here's LD A, 32774: 6 ... 32777: 201 32778: 0 32779: 0 What's going on? Regards, Stefan (using Windows Vista x64 just in case it matters).
Re: JAM Assembler - creating object file
Your not the only one had this problem. It's there so you can have multiple dump commands with just one object file. On 18 Jul 2010, at 15:23, Stefan Drissen wrote: Never mind, the first bytes are used by the loadfile.o routine to load the object code to the correct address in the correct page... On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 4:17 PM, Stefan Drissen stefan.dris...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I'm just daft, but I don't get it... so I've created the massively complex m/c routine: DUMP 1,0 ORG 32768 LD A,6 OUT (254),A RET I then assemble this (F11) and then run SimCoupe (F9). 1. starting SimCoupe starts it without the object.mgt disk being opened. 2. so open it manually and boot1 The object binary is 15 bytes - it should only be 5 bytes based on the source above. Viewing the contents of the binary shows that it contains some leading and trailing rubbish: 32768: 0 32769: 0 32770: 5 32771: 0 32772: 1 32773: 62 - here's LD A, 32774: 6 ... 32777: 201 32778: 0 32779: 0 What's going on? Regards, Stefan (using Windows Vista x64 just in case it matters).
