Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
It never occurred to me to freeze them. Poison oak is the only one I would not touch or chew and swallow though. I used to get it head to toe and it would incapacitate me for more than 2 weeks at a time. But you certainly stuff leaves into caps, label the baggie of them and freeze it. Oh yes, wormwood would be another. It is so bitter it is impossible to swallow for me. Thank you for the idea! Gayla - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:55 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations This would be a great way to take many herbs, remedies and plants, but only immediately, otherwise they might mold if stored for long. Though I suppose you could freeze them. Thanks Gayla. Jane I was told to find the smallest leaves you can and pick with tweezers. Stuff each into a gelatin cap and take the caps. That way you are not touching the stuff. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
I never thought of your idea either - I'm thinking bitter gourd would be good too - it's a bit much asking DH to swallow the juice! I'm never really sure about liquid in capsules but if we froze it quickly it would work. Jane It never occurred to me to freeze them. Poison oak is the only one I would not touch or chew and swallow though. I used to get it head to toe and it would incapacitate me for more than 2 weeks at a time. But you certainly stuff leaves into caps, label the baggie of them and freeze it. Oh yes, wormwood would be another. It is so bitter it is impossible to swallow for me. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi there usually right beside a poison ivy bush is the antidote which is called Wild acorn - take a leaf off of this bush and rob it on where the PI got you and within ten minutes you feel no sting etc, R did not say it but I will Creator always makes sure we have everything we need - it is up to each one of us to find!! Regards Sandee Attitude is Everything !!! www.aliveagain.co.cc On May 23, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Lol--I have poison oak flower essences! Haven't had a lot of use for it yet, and it's for stubbornness (to relieve it) and I thought perhaps an antidote to poison oak rash, but it's not. That was just MY thinking--the antidote thing, not from the plant itself. First you have to know your plant, to know if it is poisonous or not. You need to get a very good wild flower book, and/or a wild plant book for your local area. I have 3 that I use all the time for our area, because no one book will have them all. If I find a plant I don't know it's usually in 2 of the books but not the third, so if I only happened to use the one book that didn't have it, I wouldn't learn the plant. So go through your books at the store to see how many cross-overs they have. My third book is a book on local trees, bushes and flowers, which is great if I find a bush I don't know. Then you still need to sit with the plant to see what it will do, essence wise, to see if you want/need it or not. You do not have to worry about the essence doing what the plant would do if you touched or ate it--because the energy of the physical plant is different than the energy of the flower essence. Still, if you are worried about a plant being poisonous, then simply don't use it. With literally hundreds of different plants at your fingertips, you can certainly pass up a couple. You will find that if you start making a lot of essences, many of them will be for the same type of thing. Like I have probably 4 that are all grounding, though each has secondary things that are different from each other. It's best to make just a few essences and try them to see if you like them. I know what it's hard at first because you want to make them ALL! Lol especially if the plants start calling you. But unless you have a client base to use them on (we did, my partner and I, and we had a hypnotist that used them with her clients, etc) there's not a lot of need for 100 essences. I found the difference between Bach's essences and most other 'modern' essences is that Bach really restricted his practitioners. He worked with people right after the war and they were dealing with all sorts of negative issues, so all his essences were basically for negative things--to fix them. Sadness, depression, grief, etc. when he had all he felt that covered all 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fbe23472eb331a3b451st02duc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Also, Jewelweed will do the same thing (only use the juice of a stem) a botanist told me and it also usually grows near the PI... at least in the northeast USA. PT -Original Message- From: Sandee George [mailto:oha...@juno.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 8:13 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Hi there usually right beside a poison ivy bush is the antidote which is called Wild acorn - take a leaf off of this bush and rob it on where the PI got you and within ten minutes you feel no sting etc, R did not say it but I will Creator always makes sure we have everything we need - it is up to each one of us to find!! Regards Sandee Attitude is Everything !!! www.aliveagain.co.cc On May 23, 2012, at 10:06 AM, Renee gaiac...@gmail.com wrote: Lol--I have poison oak flower essences! Haven't had a lot of use for it yet, and it's for stubbornness (to relieve it) and I thought perhaps an antidote to poison oak rash, but it's not. That was just MY thinking--the antidote thing, not from the plant itself. First you have to know your plant, to know if it is poisonous or not. You need to get a very good wild flower book, and/or a wild plant book for your local area. I have 3 that I use all the time for our area, because no one book will have them all. If I find a plant I don't know it's usually in 2 of the books but not the third, so if I only happened to use the one book that didn't have it, I wouldn't learn the plant. So go through your books at the store to see how many cross-overs they have. My third book is a book on local trees, bushes and flowers, which is great if I find a bush I don't know. Then you still need to sit with the plant to see what it will do, essence wise, to see if you want/need it or not. You do not have to worry about the essence doing what the plant would do if you touched or ate it--because the energy of the physical plant is different than the energy of the flower essence. Still, if you are worried about a plant being poisonous, then simply don't use it. With literally hundreds of different plants at your fingertips, you can certainly pass up a couple. You will find that if you start making a lot of essences, many of them will be for the same type of thing. Like I have probably 4 that are all grounding, though each has secondary things that are different from each other. It's best to make just a few essences and try them to see if you like them. I know what it's hard at first because you want to make them ALL! Lol especially if the plants start calling you. But unless you have a client base to use them on (we did, my partner and I, and we had a hypnotist that used them with her clients, etc) there's not a lot of need for 100 essences. I found the difference between Bach's essences and most other 'modern' essences is that Bach really restricted his practitioners. He worked with people right after the war and they were dealing with all sorts of negative issues, so all his essences were basically for negative things--to fix them. Sadness, depression, grief, etc. when he had all he felt that covered all 53 Year Old Mom Looks 33 The Stunning Results of Her Wrinkle Trick Has Botox Doctors Worried http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4fbe23472eb331a3b451st02duc -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: 05/23/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5018 - Release Date: 05/23/12
RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Well, I've always heard that there is an antidote growing within x number of feet of pi or po, but I've never seen anything here to antidote the po. No jewel weed, no wild acorn, no nothing in local accounts from natives. Jewel weed doesn't grow here--too hot. We have live oak, which has acorns, but that's it. I wish there was something but I've never run into a native or an herbalist that knows of anything local. And--granted, last year was one of the worst summers in history here as we had over 60 days of 100 plus temps and of course, no rain--so maybe that is part of the reason or not, but the poison oak is RAMPANT this year! I've never seen it spread so fast, nor be so prolific in growth as this year. Oddly, I've heard others in other parts of the country on different lists say the same thing about po and pi in their part of the country! That both are just growing like crazy and spreading everywhere. I wonder what that's all about? Samala, Renee -Original Message- Also, Jewelweed will do the same thing -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
An old timer I knew many years ago, who just happened to raise Nubian goats told me that her goats had a natural immunity to PI and a way to get rid of it once you had contracted it was to drink goats milk after the goat had been dining on the PI. She said she knew of one time when a person had been hospitalized due to PI that had gone internal and then had not responded to any of the pharmas they were given. Someone knew about the goat's milk and they got some milk from a goat that had been fed the PI and the patient recovered. PT -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:16 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Well, I've always heard that there is an antidote growing within x number of feet of pi or po, but I've never seen anything here to antidote the po. No jewel weed, no wild acorn, no nothing in local accounts from natives. Jewel weed doesn't grow here--too hot. We have live oak, which has acorns, but that's it. I wish there was something but I've never run into a native or an herbalist that knows of anything local. And--granted, last year was one of the worst summers in history here as we had over 60 days of 100 plus temps and of course, no rain--so maybe that is part of the reason or not, but the poison oak is RAMPANT this year! I've never seen it spread so fast, nor be so prolific in growth as this year. Oddly, I've heard others in other parts of the country on different lists say the same thing about po and pi in their part of the country! That both are just growing like crazy and spreading everywhere. I wonder what that's all about? Samala, Renee -Original Message- Also, Jewelweed will do the same thing -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5019 - Release Date: 05/24/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5019 - Release Date: 05/24/12
RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
I could see that being true. Euell Gibbons use to say that he ate 3 small pi leaves every day in the spring and that it kept him from ever having a reaction. I've just never gotten up enough nerve to try it! :) Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: PTFerrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] An old timer I knew many years ago, who just happened to raise Nubian goats told me that her goats had a natural immunity to PI and a way to get rid of it once you had contracted it was to drink goats milk after the goat had been dining on the PI. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
I was told to find the smallest leaves you can and pick with tweezers. Stuff each into a gelatin cap and take the caps. That way you are not touching the stuff. I swear I could get poison oak looking at a plant form 100 feet away when I was a kid. Nasty stuff. Even at an early age I could ID the plants in winter without any leaves on them. Gayla - Original Message - From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:37 AM Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations I could see that being true. Euell Gibbons use to say that he ate 3 small pi leaves every day in the spring and that it kept him from ever having a reaction. I've just never gotten up enough nerve to try it! :) Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: PTFerrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] An old timer I knew many years ago, who just happened to raise Nubian goats told me that her goats had a natural immunity to PI and a way to get rid of it once you had contracted it was to drink goats milk after the goat had been dining on the PI. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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So Gayla, did you do it? On 5/24/2012 9:16 PM, Gayla Chepourkoff wrote: I was told to find the smallest leaves you can and pick with tweezers. Stuff each into a gelatin cap and take the caps. That way you are not touching the stuff. I swear I could get poison oak looking at a plant form 100 feet away when I was a kid. Nasty stuff. Even at an early age I could ID the plants in winter without any leaves on them. Gayla - Original Message - From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:37 AM Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations I could see that being true. Euell Gibbons use to say that he ate 3 small pi leaves every day in the spring and that it kept him from ever having a reaction. I've just never gotten up enough nerve to try it! :) Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: PTFerrance [mailto:ptf2...@bellsouth.net] An old timer I knew many years ago, who just happened to raise Nubian goats told me that her goats had a natural immunity to PI and a way to get rid of it once you had contracted it was to drink goats milk after the goat had been dining on the PI. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
This would be a great way to take many herbs, remedies and plants, but only immediately, otherwise they might mold if stored for long. Though I suppose you could freeze them. Thanks Gayla. Jane I was told to find the smallest leaves you can and pick with tweezers. Stuff each into a gelatin cap and take the caps. That way you are not touching the stuff. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Renee, Thank you so much for this invaluable information! You have such great knowledge and it's wonderful that you're willing to share it. My concern with essences (I do have all the Bach flower essences) and although I would love to expand with mores...I'd worry about any poisonous flowers that would cause harm. I know that we have several different things here in the Northeast and I wouldn't trust myself to be sure that a pretty flower would help rather than harm. What's your suggestion on this? Thank you. Lisa -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Essences are very easy to make. There's no trick to it, and you don't have to 'talk' to plants to make it--though it helps. :) The more you make essences, the more you work with plants, the more you learn to communicate with them. But I tell beginners to just go with whatever flower they are drawn to. Go outside and notice the plants, the flowers. See which one you are drawn to. Then ask the plant if it wants to be an essence for you. I've always gotten a yes except one time--and that wasn't a no, it was a 'wait'. I had to wait a whole year, so there must have been something the plant wanted to do before working as an essence. Plants LOVE to work with people. Anyway--ask if it is ok to take some flowers to make an essence. You will feel a yes or no, a positive or negative feeling inside you. If you get a positive feeling you then ask how many flowers you will need. The first number that pops into your head will be how many. Don't second guess yourself. Normally I usually get 3 or 4, but sometimes it has been 6 and sometimes only 1. Now, you need a small jar, like a baby food jar. You can make as much of an essence as you want, but since you literally use drops of the mother tincture and then drops of the stock bottle, a little goes a long way. Making even a half cup of essence will last you and your family a lifetime. So, small jar with good water. Well water, spring water or distilled water. A pair of scissors, a lid for the jar, a small strainer. Fill the jar half way with water (leaving room for alcohol as a preservative). Ask the plant how many flowers. When you get the number take the scissors and clip that many flowers into the lid of the jar. I do this so as not to touch the flowers, trying to keep 'me' out of the essence--though of course the energy of the maker does get in. Once the flowers are clipped into the lid, tilt them into the jar of water. Set the jar in the sun, lid off. I rarely have bugs get in. I think the energy is too strong. I pick a spot that is 'bare' to set the jar. I use a tree stump, but you can use a sidewalk, or a driveway. If you set it on the ground or in other plants you will pick up that energy. I place my hands around the jar, not touching it, and say a prayer asking the light of the sun to place the energy of the plant into the water so that all who partake of the essence will be healed. You will feel the energy stop flowing from your hands, so stop then. Leave the jar sitting in the sun for however long you like. I learned that the summer south texas sun will evaporate a LOT of water in just 2 hours, lol, so I usually try to do mine in the morning. Sometimes it sits for an hour, sometimes 2 or 3. When you feel the essence is ready, bring it in. strain out the flowers and put the water back into the jar. Now add the same amount of alcohol (I use vodka but traditional is brandy, use what you like) as you have water. If you have a quarter cup water add a quarter cup alcohol. Label this as your mother tincture, with the name of the flower. Sit with this and after a while you'll get what this essences is for. Or just take it and see what happens. To make your dosage bottle you take your mother tincture, get another bottle with half water, half alcohol. Ask the mother essence how many drops you need to make the stock bottle. The number that pops into your head is right. Place that many drops of essence into the new bottle, label it as your stock bottle and put the flower name on it. Now from the stock bottle, you will make your dosage bottle. Take a dropper bottle, fill with half water, half alcohol. Ask the stock bottle how many drops you need to put into the dosage bottle. Now you have your essence! You can see that you need very little of the mother essence because you use just drops of that to make a stock bottle and then drops of the stock to make your dosage bottle. Any questions--just ask. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Would you share how you make the essences? Thanks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http
RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Lol--I have poison oak flower essences! Haven't had a lot of use for it yet, and it's for stubbornness (to relieve it) and I thought perhaps an antidote to poison oak rash, but it's not. That was just MY thinking--the antidote thing, not from the plant itself. First you have to know your plant, to know if it is poisonous or not. You need to get a very good wild flower book, and/or a wild plant book for your local area. I have 3 that I use all the time for our area, because no one book will have them all. If I find a plant I don't know it's usually in 2 of the books but not the third, so if I only happened to use the one book that didn't have it, I wouldn't learn the plant. So go through your books at the store to see how many cross-overs they have. My third book is a book on local trees, bushes and flowers, which is great if I find a bush I don't know. Then you still need to sit with the plant to see what it will do, essence wise, to see if you want/need it or not. You do not have to worry about the essence doing what the plant would do if you touched or ate it--because the energy of the physical plant is different than the energy of the flower essence. Still, if you are worried about a plant being poisonous, then simply don't use it. With literally hundreds of different plants at your fingertips, you can certainly pass up a couple. You will find that if you start making a lot of essences, many of them will be for the same type of thing. Like I have probably 4 that are all grounding, though each has secondary things that are different from each other. It's best to make just a few essences and try them to see if you like them. I know what it's hard at first because you want to make them ALL! Lol especially if the plants start calling you. But unless you have a client base to use them on (we did, my partner and I, and we had a hypnotist that used them with her clients, etc) there's not a lot of need for 100 essences. I found the difference between Bach's essences and most other 'modern' essences is that Bach really restricted his practitioners. He worked with people right after the war and they were dealing with all sorts of negative issues, so all his essences were basically for negative things--to fix them. Sadness, depression, grief, etc. when he had all he felt that covered all their problems he said--that's it, that's all you will ever need, don't make any other essences! That's why you'll see makers like me and others have hundreds of essences and Bach only has his few (in comparison). His practitioners can't go making new essences! But in reality, essences are far more than for relieving negative issues. The plants want to help us grow, develop. They work on raising vibration, on bringing in more joy, on opening to being a channel, to helping with getting better luck, more romance, and all sorts of things that Bach never even considered. He got what he NEEDED and then didn't look any further. The plants have so much more to offer us. So don't be afraid of plants--be aware of touching a dangerous plant that you might have a reaction to, but you won't get any dark or negative energy from any essence. I have never, ever found that in any of mine (about 200 different ones) nor have I ever heard of any maker running across this. Hope this helps. Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Renee, Thank you so much for this invaluable information! You have such great knowledge and it's wonderful that you're willing to share it. My concern with essences (I do have all the Bach flower essences) and although I would love to expand with mores...I'd worry about any poisonous flowers that would cause harm. I know that we have several different things here in the Northeast and I wouldn't trust myself to be sure that a pretty flower would help rather than harm. What's your suggestion on this? Thank you. Lisa -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:15 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Essences are very easy to make. There's no trick to it, and you don't have to 'talk' to plants to make it--though it helps. :) The more you make essences, the more you work with plants, the more you learn to communicate with them. But I tell beginners to just go with whatever flower they are drawn to. Go outside and notice the plants, the flowers. See which one you are drawn to. Then ask the plant if it wants to be an essence for you. I've always gotten a yes except one time--and that wasn't a no, it was a 'wait'. I had to wait a whole year, so there must have been something the plant wanted to do before working as an essence. Plants LOVE to work with people. Anyway--ask if it is ok to take some flowers to make
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WOW! Would I just LOVE to sit with you for a month and learn as much as I could :o) I'm interested in the essences that you're using for: The plants want to help us grow, develop. They work on raising vibration, on bringing in more joy, on opening to being a channel, to helping with getting better luck, more romance, ...and any that you know of for weight loss (sugar/carb cravings etc.) Would you be willing to share the plants that I could use to create these essences? Would I be able to find them in the northeast (NH specifically)? Thanks again.., I thoroughly am enjoying being your humble student! Lisa -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Lol--I have poison oak flower essences! Haven't had a lot of use for it yet, and it's for stubbornness (to relieve it) and I thought perhaps an antidote to poison oak rash, but it's not. That was just MY thinking--the antidote thing, not from the plant itself. First you have to know your plant, to know if it is poisonous or not. You need to get a very good wild flower book, and/or a wild plant book for your local area. I have 3 that I use all the time for our area, because no one book will have them all. If I find a plant I don't know it's usually in 2 of the books but not the third, so if I only happened to use the one book that didn't have it, I wouldn't learn the plant. So go through your books at the store to see how many cross-overs they have. My third book is a book on local trees, bushes and flowers, which is great if I find a bush I don't know. Then you still need to sit with the plant to see what it will do, essence wise, to see if you want/need it or not. You do not have to worry about the essence doing what the plant would do if you touched or ate it--because the energy of the physical plant is different than the energy of the flower essence. Still, if you are worried about a plant being poisonous, then simply don't use it. With literally hundreds of different plants at your fingertips, you can certainly pass up a couple. You will find that if you start making a lot of essences, many of them will be for the same type of thing. Like I have probably 4 that are all grounding, though each has secondary things that are different from each other. It's best to make just a few essences and try them to see if you like them. I know what it's hard at first because you want to make them ALL! Lol especially if the plants start calling you. But unless you have a client base to use them on (we did, my partner and I, and we had a hypnotist that used them with her clients, etc) there's not a lot of need for 100 essences. I found the difference between Bach's essences and most other 'modern' essences is that Bach really restricted his practitioners. He worked with people right after the war and they were dealing with all sorts of negative issues, so all his essences were basically for negative things--to fix them. Sadness, depression, grief, etc. when he had all he felt that covered all their problems he said--that's it, that's all you will ever need, don't make any other essences! That's why you'll see makers like me and others have hundreds of essences and Bach only has his few (in comparison). His practitioners can't go making new essences! But in reality, essences are far more than for relieving negative issues. The plants want to help us grow, develop. They work on raising vibration, on bringing in more joy, on opening to being a channel, to helping with getting better luck, more romance, and all sorts of things that Bach never even considered. He got what he NEEDED and then didn't look any further. The plants have so much more to offer us. So don't be afraid of plants--be aware of touching a dangerous plant that you might have a reaction to, but you won't get any dark or negative energy from any essence. I have never, ever found that in any of mine (about 200 different ones) nor have I ever heard of any maker running across this. Hope this helps. Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: Lisa [mailto:blacksa...@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 8:22 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Renee, Thank you so much for this invaluable information! You have such great knowledge and it's wonderful that you're willing to share it. My concern with essences (I do have all the Bach flower essences) and although I would love to expand with mores...I'd worry about any poisonous flowers that would cause harm. I know that we have several different things here in the Northeast and I wouldn't trust myself to be sure that a pretty flower would help rather than harm. What's your suggestion on this? Thank you. Lisa -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 11:15 PM
RE: Plant essences / Renee / was / Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Thanks, Renee. I appreciate the time you took to write it all out. One question, do you pick things after a rain or do you somehow wash off the part you are going to use? Things around here can get pretty dirty! :-) Have you ever heard of plant spirit medicine? PT -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:41 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: Plant essences / Renee / was / Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Yes, the dosage bottle is the bottle you take from. I tell people to do what feels right to them. I get a lot of folks asking 'how many drops, how many times a day for how many days' because they are use to doctor prescriptions. It's not like that with essences. I tell people they should get use to trusting their bodies. I COULD muscle test them to see how many, how long, but instead I say 'just suck some up into the dropper and that's how much you take. Your body knows exactly how many drops to put into that dropper. Put the bottle on your bathroom counter. Every time you go into the bathroom take some. When you start going--'oh, I have to take some of my essence' but then you go to the bathroom and come out and only later you realized you DIDN'T take any, then you are pretty much through with that essence'. Yes, you can use bark, seeds, leaves, whatever. People make essences from butterflies, whales, gasses, etc--they will take a photo of say, a whale, and meditate with it and say 'put the energy of the whale into this bottle'. Now, I stick with flower essences :) but it's possible to do anything and everything. When I started making them I got the hit that the seed essence of the SAME flower plant would give a different energy than the flowers did. I asked and got yes. So would leaves. So I thought--how cool would that be, an essence of the flower, the seed, the leaf? But I never got around to making anything but the flower because once you have a hundred flower essences, then you start on a hundred seed essences and then a hundred leaf essences--well, you run out of room, out of bottles, out of time. :) And yes--if a plant is growing/flowering by you, and you are drawn to it--then it has something for you. There are a lot of plants that you may not be drawn to, though you think the flowers smell nice, or are pretty. It's when you pay attention you learn which ones you 'need'. But they SO want to help. I hardly go anywhere where there is a flower that isn't already an essence and I get 'me, over here, ME, pick me!' lol I do mostly texas native essences but do have a few that are not wildflowers, but houseplants, because they were so insistent. And you don't have to just orally take essences. You can put some water in a spray bottle, add the essence and spray your area, your bed, your car. Some ladies carry their favorite bottle in their bra, though pockets work too, to keep the essence in your aura. Place some in your bath water. Lots of ways to use them. Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: Jane MacRoss [mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] Is the dosage bottle the bottle you ingest the essence from? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5014 - Release Date: 05/21/12
Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations RENEE
Thank you Renee. Gayla - Original Message - From: Renee gaiac...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Essences are very easy to make. There's no trick to it, and you don't have to 'talk' to plants to make it--though it helps. :) The more you make essences, the more you work with plants, the more you learn to communicate with them. But I tell beginners to just go with whatever flower they are drawn to. Go outside and notice the plants, the flowers. See which one you are drawn to. Then ask the plant if it wants to be an essence for you. I've always gotten a yes except one time--and that wasn't a no, it was a 'wait'. I had to wait a whole year, so there must have been something the plant wanted to do before working as an essence. Plants LOVE to work with people. Anyway--ask if it is ok to take some flowers to make an essence. You will feel a yes or no, a positive or negative feeling inside you. If you get a positive feeling you then ask how many flowers you will need. The first number that pops into your head will be how many. Don't second guess yourself. Normally I usually get 3 or 4, but sometimes it has been 6 and sometimes only 1. Now, you need a small jar, like a baby food jar. You can make as much of an essence as you want, but since you literally use drops of the mother tincture and then drops of the stock bottle, a little goes a long way. Making even a half cup of essence will last you and your family a lifetime. So, small jar with good water. Well water, spring water or distilled water. A pair of scissors, a lid for the jar, a small strainer. Fill the jar half way with water (leaving room for alcohol as a preservative). Ask the plant how many flowers. When you get the number take the scissors and clip that many flowers into the lid of the jar. I do this so as not to touch the flowers, trying to keep 'me' out of the essence--though of course the energy of the maker does get in. Once the flowers are clipped into the lid, tilt them into the jar of water. Set the jar in the sun, lid off. I rarely have bugs get in. I think the energy is too strong. I pick a spot that is 'bare' to set the jar. I use a tree stump, but you can use a sidewalk, or a driveway. If you set it on the ground or in other plants you will pick up that energy. I place my hands around the jar, not touching it, and say a prayer asking the light of the sun to place the energy of the plant into the water so that all who partake of the essence will be healed. You will feel the energy stop flowing from your hands, so stop then. Leave the jar sitting in the sun for however long you like. I learned that the summer south texas sun will evaporate a LOT of water in just 2 hours, lol, so I usually try to do mine in the morning. Sometimes it sits for an hour, sometimes 2 or 3. When you feel the essence is ready, bring it in. strain out the flowers and put the water back into the jar. Now add the same amount of alcohol (I use vodka but traditional is brandy, use what you like) as you have water. If you have a quarter cup water add a quarter cup alcohol. Label this as your mother tincture, with the name of the flower. Sit with this and after a while you'll get what this essences is for. Or just take it and see what happens. To make your dosage bottle you take your mother tincture, get another bottle with half water, half alcohol. Ask the mother essence how many drops you need to make the stock bottle. The number that pops into your head is right. Place that many drops of essence into the new bottle, label it as your stock bottle and put the flower name on it. Now from the stock bottle, you will make your dosage bottle. Take a dropper bottle, fill with half water, half alcohol. Ask the stock bottle how many drops you need to put into the dosage bottle. Now you have your essence! You can see that you need very little of the mother essence because you use just drops of that to make a stock bottle and then drops of the stock to make your dosage bottle. Any questions--just ask. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Would you share how you make the essences? Thanks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: Plant essences / Renee / was / Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Hey PT. Yes, I've heard of plant spirit medicine. And the one (maybe it's the same?) where the guy hears the plants singing--actually hears them, and he's a musician so he can duplicate their songs! Amazing, huh? No, I never bother to wash any of the flowers off. Never even gave that a thought! They never asked and I it never occurred to me. If you live in a city where you have much smog and such then it would probably be a good thing to wait for a rain, or take a sprinkling can with you and 'wash' them. It gets very hot, dry and dusty here, but I've never really noticed anything on the flowers. Sometime leaves, but not flowers. This is not to say the flowers don't also get dirty, just that I've never noticed. I usually try to do my essence making in the morning, anyway, so maybe they are cleaner from night dew. Samala, Renee -Original Message- One question, do you pick things after a rain or do you somehow wash off the part you are going to use? Things around here can get pretty dirty! :-) -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Renee, Would you share how you make the essences? Thanks. PT -Original Message- From: Renee [mailto:gaiac...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2012 9:04 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: RE: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations And me. :) I've made just over 100 different essences from the native texas flowers. I just love essences. They are indeed very powerful, yet gentle. There are actually makers from all over the world now. A very good one is in Australia. The Alaska maker is very good. Perelandra has excellent ones. Well, in fact--all essences are wonderful. And simple to make your own. If you are drawn to certain flowers, then those flowers have something for you. An essence from them could be exactly what a person needs. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work. Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there besides just the Bach? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5011 - Release Date: 05/20/12 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2176 / Virus Database: 2425/5011 - Release Date: 05/20/12
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Essences are very easy to make. There's no trick to it, and you don't have to 'talk' to plants to make it--though it helps. :) The more you make essences, the more you work with plants, the more you learn to communicate with them. But I tell beginners to just go with whatever flower they are drawn to. Go outside and notice the plants, the flowers. See which one you are drawn to. Then ask the plant if it wants to be an essence for you. I've always gotten a yes except one time--and that wasn't a no, it was a 'wait'. I had to wait a whole year, so there must have been something the plant wanted to do before working as an essence. Plants LOVE to work with people. Anyway--ask if it is ok to take some flowers to make an essence. You will feel a yes or no, a positive or negative feeling inside you. If you get a positive feeling you then ask how many flowers you will need. The first number that pops into your head will be how many. Don't second guess yourself. Normally I usually get 3 or 4, but sometimes it has been 6 and sometimes only 1. Now, you need a small jar, like a baby food jar. You can make as much of an essence as you want, but since you literally use drops of the mother tincture and then drops of the stock bottle, a little goes a long way. Making even a half cup of essence will last you and your family a lifetime. So, small jar with good water. Well water, spring water or distilled water. A pair of scissors, a lid for the jar, a small strainer. Fill the jar half way with water (leaving room for alcohol as a preservative). Ask the plant how many flowers. When you get the number take the scissors and clip that many flowers into the lid of the jar. I do this so as not to touch the flowers, trying to keep 'me' out of the essence--though of course the energy of the maker does get in. Once the flowers are clipped into the lid, tilt them into the jar of water. Set the jar in the sun, lid off. I rarely have bugs get in. I think the energy is too strong. I pick a spot that is 'bare' to set the jar. I use a tree stump, but you can use a sidewalk, or a driveway. If you set it on the ground or in other plants you will pick up that energy. I place my hands around the jar, not touching it, and say a prayer asking the light of the sun to place the energy of the plant into the water so that all who partake of the essence will be healed. You will feel the energy stop flowing from your hands, so stop then. Leave the jar sitting in the sun for however long you like. I learned that the summer south texas sun will evaporate a LOT of water in just 2 hours, lol, so I usually try to do mine in the morning. Sometimes it sits for an hour, sometimes 2 or 3. When you feel the essence is ready, bring it in. strain out the flowers and put the water back into the jar. Now add the same amount of alcohol (I use vodka but traditional is brandy, use what you like) as you have water. If you have a quarter cup water add a quarter cup alcohol. Label this as your mother tincture, with the name of the flower. Sit with this and after a while you'll get what this essences is for. Or just take it and see what happens. To make your dosage bottle you take your mother tincture, get another bottle with half water, half alcohol. Ask the mother essence how many drops you need to make the stock bottle. The number that pops into your head is right. Place that many drops of essence into the new bottle, label it as your stock bottle and put the flower name on it. Now from the stock bottle, you will make your dosage bottle. Take a dropper bottle, fill with half water, half alcohol. Ask the stock bottle how many drops you need to put into the dosage bottle. Now you have your essence! You can see that you need very little of the mother essence because you use just drops of that to make a stock bottle and then drops of the stock to make your dosage bottle. Any questions--just ask. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Would you share how you make the essences? Thanks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Plant essences / Renee / was / Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Wonderful description Renee thank you so much. Is the dosage bottle the bottle you ingest the essence from? Like you add n drops from the dosage bottle into a glass of water and sip that through the day or however it indicates it should be taken however many drops it indicates into that glass? And what is so exciting is that people would have growing around them what they need most, all unique as to soil, climate and type of plant, since nature is so precise. Presumably you can use leaves as well as flowers? Or even bark? Jane -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
RE: Plant essences / Renee / was / Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Yes, the dosage bottle is the bottle you take from. I tell people to do what feels right to them. I get a lot of folks asking 'how many drops, how many times a day for how many days' because they are use to doctor prescriptions. It's not like that with essences. I tell people they should get use to trusting their bodies. I COULD muscle test them to see how many, how long, but instead I say 'just suck some up into the dropper and that's how much you take. Your body knows exactly how many drops to put into that dropper. Put the bottle on your bathroom counter. Every time you go into the bathroom take some. When you start going--'oh, I have to take some of my essence' but then you go to the bathroom and come out and only later you realized you DIDN'T take any, then you are pretty much through with that essence'. Yes, you can use bark, seeds, leaves, whatever. People make essences from butterflies, whales, gasses, etc--they will take a photo of say, a whale, and meditate with it and say 'put the energy of the whale into this bottle'. Now, I stick with flower essences :) but it's possible to do anything and everything. When I started making them I got the hit that the seed essence of the SAME flower plant would give a different energy than the flowers did. I asked and got yes. So would leaves. So I thought--how cool would that be, an essence of the flower, the seed, the leaf? But I never got around to making anything but the flower because once you have a hundred flower essences, then you start on a hundred seed essences and then a hundred leaf essences--well, you run out of room, out of bottles, out of time. :) And yes--if a plant is growing/flowering by you, and you are drawn to it--then it has something for you. There are a lot of plants that you may not be drawn to, though you think the flowers smell nice, or are pretty. It's when you pay attention you learn which ones you 'need'. But they SO want to help. I hardly go anywhere where there is a flower that isn't already an essence and I get 'me, over here, ME, pick me!' lol I do mostly texas native essences but do have a few that are not wildflowers, but houseplants, because they were so insistent. And you don't have to just orally take essences. You can put some water in a spray bottle, add the essence and spray your area, your bed, your car. Some ladies carry their favorite bottle in their bra, though pockets work too, to keep the essence in your aura. Place some in your bath water. Lots of ways to use them. Samala, Renee -Original Message- From: Jane MacRoss [mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net] Is the dosage bottle the bottle you ingest the essence from? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike You are very certain you know a full extent of knowledge about many things, including water and spirituality. I wonder if you see how ludicrous that looks to people on the other side of your cranium?Did you ever read the infinitesimal dose? There should be enough science in there to keep you occupied for some time. Yet its probably not the full truth, or even the important functional truth of homeopathy. Im sure you know of the quantum phenomena of entanglement. In our current era, when entangled subatomic particles could be separated by any distance at all yet be so connected as to change spin instantaneously, where time is seen to be a completely flexible part of nature, coming to a standstill at the not too distant ends of light velocity and black hole gravity.where many more dimensions are mathematically teased out, but that we will never be able to grasp, being hopelessly stuck in the four dimensioned space timeat this perspective when we have seen our egocentric Truths being lost to new understanding time and time again, it seems that even a diehard codger would have a little more humility about his knowledgehis limits. After all, your poor brain is only the size of a cabbage and if my brain is any example, about as hard and functional as a block of wood. Our brains are after all no better than the ones that were afraid to sail too far for fear of falling over the edge, or believed that nature and the stars were ruled by the whimsy of gods. Just what DO you know about water anyway? Youve read up on macro molecules which are continually in flux yet metastable? Aware of the energetic underpinnings of the electromagnetic world itself...the so called aethers...ambipolar primordial aspects as teased apart by the Correas? Here I would suggest you google that name and spend some time expanding, or at least arguing your way with some rigorous thinkers. You know all about water, practically the very essence of lifebut what is curious is that you completely separate the spiritual and the material. Does that make any sense to you when you pause to think about it? Just what spiritual world are you referring to? Certainly not the causitive...so called causal, or more manifest astral or any of the other planes of which there is precious little, and I dare say non existent proof in your case (including myself in your camp). Those exalted levels to which you yourself, in your physically manifest glory believe you may have access. Would you have a laugh if a certain amount of seeding or doping was all that is required for water to work its information storing magic...or that some interaction with the walls of the vessel, or the water/oil or air interface was part of the action? Or that there were temperature windows or that possibly the effect could be grounded or neutralized by some overlooked conductor, maybe not even metallic? Or even that the material world including water was interconnected by manna threads of which you know about as much as the rest of the spiritual world Im not saying they are, only asking if you would laugh to find it so. If you were Newton but with your personality, I dont doubt you would bet your very life on the faith of the completeness of your knowledge. But even that great thinker, what to say of Einstein, was only partly right, and I wonder how you compare the vigor and genius of your mental capacity to theirs. It doesnt matter that you find a lack of appealing or substantiated answers or that your overview looks the most complete--to your sensibilities. Someone with more understanding would in turn easily uncover the limits of your knowledge and then you would have to stand exposed in front of the class all over again, struggling with new concepts, math and higher level instruments. Its a conspicuous attribute of human nature that as soon as he knows a little, he becomes blinded to further truth. His mind becomes like an ass who is certain it knows all there is to know about the barn, and this has been a great hinderance to our development as a civilization. Doctors were, not so long ago, SO certain in their knowledge that they continued to perform surgery without first washing their hands, even in the face of studies that showed transferability of disease. Man often looks so foolish and stupid that its a wonder he can perform common trivial tasks. It appears that you place yourself pretty highly on the continuum, but others are not at all convinced. Thanks for your contributions though, and appologies for my over-long post. Max On 5/14/2012 9:59 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly
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Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations mgperrault Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:57 -0700 Mike [...] Max, What have you done to help newcomers to the list? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't patronised anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR findings. Them's all big plusses in my book. Kirsteen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations mgperrault Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:57 -0700 Mike [...] Max, What have you done to help newcomers to the list? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't patronised anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR findings. Them's all big plusses in my book. Kirsteen Kirsteen, And what have you done to welcome newcomers? Do you have any concern for their needs? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive? On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:06 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Well let's see, he's been polite, hasn't insulted anyone, hasn't patronised anyone, and hasn't called anyone a liar because HE can't duplicate THEIR findings. Them's all big plusses in my book. Kirsteen Kirsteen, And what have you done to welcome newcomers? Do you have any concern for their needs? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive? I take that as you have no answer. Then why are you here? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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It's not that I have no answer but it's against my principles to answer interrogations and frankly that's what your doing. Truthfully I wonder why. You come across as so aggressive and so negative and yet, you're probably not like that at all. You come across so much on the defensive and yet you don't need to. Ok my chillax comment was pretty flippant, I apologise but seriously relax, enjoy life, go with the flow. Life's too short for animosity. Remember there are more things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in our philosophies, Horatio. In peace Kirsteen On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:25 AM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Kirsteen Wright kirsteen.falcons...@gmail.com wrote: Chillax! Why do you come over so aggressive? I take that as you have no answer. Then why are you here? Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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' of past solutes and processing in water. Both temperature and magnetic fields affect the infrared spectrum of water (showing their effect on water clustering) and these effects remain for considerable time (~1 hour) after the magnetic field is removed or temperature changed [1697]. It has been shown that (still) mineral water can be magnetised and retain this magnetisation for more than a day, supposedly due to the production of magnetic nanobubbles -- All that loving time and attention! No, no...dont mention it. I understand life can be tough... take my mother...please, take her (It wasnt even funny back then) Mike, I know we came down pretty hard on you for calling people liars morons and cheats but dont despair. Reminds me of this horse that walked into a bar and ordered a whisky. Bartender said so whats with the long face? Its tough when you dont get respectwhen I was a kid I could tell my parents hated me. My bath toys were a toaster and a radio. Even my dog... he found out we look alike, so he killed himself. Why does it take two to communicate? One guy to say something and the other guy to insult him about it. Ok Im running out of other peoples material Max On 5/14/2012 11:29 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations mgperrault Mon, 14 May 2012 23:15:57 -0700 Mike [...] Max, What have you done to help newcomers to the list? Thanks Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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how interesting... it appears that this isn't the first cs list or cs list member that mike monett has attacked http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/4COLLOIDALSILVER/message/3714 Maple Springs Farm Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... http://www.maplesprings.com On-Line Cookbook http://www.maplespringsfarm.com -- Original Message --- From: Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tue, 15 May 2012 04:19:22 -0700 Subject: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Yeah i've set up mike monett to go directly into trash He is obvoiously one of those vampires that Marshall talks about simply here to stir everyone one up and provoke a reaction. Definitely not here to help. So... trash he is! Maple Springs Farm Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... http://www.maplesprings.com On-Line Cookbook http://www.maplespringsfarm.com -- Original Message --- From: jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Mon, 14 May 2012 22:04:23 -0500 Subject: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself. I don't want to leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days. Jaxi On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com wrote: Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your accusations of a known and beloved member here. I don't know where owner Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious accusation was being made. You need to back up though. You may not agree with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice. But your accusations are way out of line. There are dynamics going on you have no understanding of, so you accuse Marshall of lies. If you could only see how much your own narrow mind is LYING to YOU. But whether or not you choose to look at that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to egregiously accuse someone with whom you disagree of lying and faking. Until owner Mike gets back in gear - and I will write him privately, in the case he is just too busy to keep up with the list at the moment - I would encourage all of us to simply block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no longer respond to him in a! ny way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his accusational stance. Sara Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- End of Original Message --- --- End of Original Message ---
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Placebo and nacebo effects are a good example of such cross-fertilization between the physical and spiritual/mental. So I am wondering if you do not believe in these well documented scientific effects where intention of the experimenter can affect the experiment, or if you simply pick and choose which of these effects you want to believe or belittle. Marshall On 5/15/2012 12:59 AM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. [...] Marshall Give up Marshall. The spiritual world and the physical plane are two completely different entities. There is no way you can change the absorption spectrum of distilled water without adding ions, atoms or molecules. Any suggestion that you can is fraudulent Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshall Mike is no longer able to see the list messges Jane Placebo and nacebo effects are a good example of such cross-fertilization between the physical and spiritual/mental. So I am wondering if you do not believe in these well documented scientific effects where intention of the experimenter can affect the experiment, or if you simply pick and choose which of these effects you want to believe or belittle. Marshall -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I've been traveling and just now catching up. You both might be interested in the practice of Plant Spirit Medicine... a fascinating pursuit! Blessings, PT --- On Sun, 5/13/12, Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com wrote: From: Guyot Léna drumr...@stny.rr.com Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Sunday, May 13, 2012, 2:14 PM Hi Renee,I've noticed when practicing hypnotherapy, that when clients visualized going through a door into a garden, they'd often find a particular flower of extra radiance and appeal. When we'd look it up, it would often be the exact medical or homeopathic plant needed. The subconscious knows so much! Be well,Léna On May 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Renee wrote: And me. :) I've made just over 100 different essences from the native texas flowers. I just love essences. They are indeed very powerful, yet gentle. There are actually makers from all over the world now. A very good one is in Australia. The Alaska maker is very good. Perelandra has excellent ones. Well, in fact--all essences are wonderful. And simple to make your own. If you are drawn to certain flowers, then those flowers have something for you. An essence from them could be exactly what a person needs. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work. Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there besides just the Bach? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Oh, water definitely has memory. I have proved it several times myself. Al you need is a scanning photospectrometer and some distilled water. You run a baseline with the distilled water, then expose it to something that will structure it and run it again. The effect is nothing short of dramatic. I have found that the absorption spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet are affected by it seems almost everything. Here are some of the things I found: magnets reiki orgonite some spirals of copper wire that were claimed to give off energy thoughts like love, hate and healing. These experiments are completely repeatable and different things will have consistent but different spectrums. However I have found I am unable to do them myself because I have a strong flux of healing energy that comes off my hands now and screws up all the results giving a spectrum of healing water every time I try it now. Marshall On 5/12/2012 10:08 AM, Steve G wrote: I have never heard of Schauberger before this posting. Did some snooping around on the internet and he sure is an interesting guy who made some helpful contributions. I was puzzled about the statement about water having a 'memory' and so googled the term Water Memory, which gave rise to a Wikipedia article of some interest, but it looks like the experiments that showed that water has a memory were not reproduce-able if the research was done via double-blind methods. I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it works. True believers will believe regardless whether any real proof can be provided or not. I am not a believer in homeopathy and am convinced that if EIS were diluted via homeopathic methods until no silver atoms were left, which appears to be the standard, it would cease to have any effectiveness other than the placebo effect. Regardless, I always like to read and hear perspectives and beliefs that are new to me or different than what I've been taught or have experienced. I do try to be careful not to confuse opinions or beliefs with iron-clad facts. It is my opinion that iron-clad facts and physical laws are far outnumbered by opinions and sincere beliefs. Cheers Steve --- On *Sat, 5/12/12, Carlene Yasak /carlene.ya...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com Subject: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:36 AM Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene
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Looks like someone has been reading either The Source Field by David Wilcock or The Field. by Lynne McTaggart. You are of course absolutely right. It is like waves on an ocean. The waves are really nothing more than an impression on the underlying water, a physical manifestation of the ebbing to and fro of energies of the water which would otherwise be impossible to discern. Marshall On 5/14/2012 12:36 AM, Ode Coyote wrote: Look into the recent non-local field experiments and Einsteins Spooky Action at a Distance If you look at everything backwards it looks different than it is.effect taking on the appearance of cause. It's not the water that holds the memory or the intent. The water symbolizes the memory or intent of those that do hold it. The cause of intent and memory resides in the non-local field and is accessed by a symbolic address. ANY object will serve the same purpose...as trigger. ..and you aren't holding the gun. The gun is holding you. Take Aim if you like, but if there is no target, you can't miss. Targets tend to dodge and weave a lot...as they 'will' Ode At 07:08 AM 5/12/2012 -0700, you wrote: I have never heard of Schauberger before this posting. Did some snooping around on the internet and he sure is an interesting guy who made some helpful contributions. I was puzzled about the statement about water having a 'memory' and so googled the term Water Memory, which gave rise to a Wikipedia article of some interest, but it looks like the experiments that showed that water has a memory were not reproduce-able if the research was done via double-blind methods. I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it works. True believers will believe regardless whether any real proof can be provided or not. I am not a believer in homeopathy and am convinced that if EIS were diluted via homeopathic methods until no silver atoms were left, which appears to be the standard, it would cease to have any effectiveness other than the placebo effect. Regardless, I always like to read and hear perspectives and beliefs that are new to me or different than what I've been taught or have experienced. I do try to be careful not to confuse opinions or beliefs with iron-clad facts. It is my opinion that iron-clad facts and physical laws are far outnumbered by opinions and sincere beliefs. Cheers Steve --- On *Sat, 5/12/12, Carlene Yasak /carlene.ya...@gmail.com/* wrote: From: Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com Subject: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:36 AM Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene
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Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Oh, water definitely has memory. I have proved it several times myself. Al you need is a scanning photospectrometer and some distilled water. You run a baseline with the distilled water, then expose it to something that will structure it and run it again. The effect is nothing short of dramatic. I have found that the absorption spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet are affected by it seems almost everything. Here are some of the things I found: magnets reiki orgonite some spirals of copper wire that were claimed to give off energy thoughts like love, hate and healing. These experiments are completely repeatable and different things will have consistent but different spectrums. However I have found I am unable to do them myself because I have a strong flux of healing energy that comes off my hands now and screws up all the results giving a spectrum of healing water every time I try it now. Marshall Marshall, I completely deny you can have any effect on the absorption spectrum of distilled water with magnets, reiki, orgonite, spirals of copper, or any kinds of thoughts. I have 3 diode array photospectrometers by Hewlett-Packard. They are the HP 8452A UV-VIS models, which are more advanced than the one you have. I find the spectrums you plot don't make any sense. The conclusions I have come to are the data is faked, or actually belongs to a different condition than you claim. This is not the first time you have faked data. Your article titled Maxwell's Pressure Demon and the Second Law of Thermodynamics at http://www.execonn.com/maxwell/maxwells_demon.html is a masterpiece of deception. It has so many flaws and misstatements of fact that I am surprised someone has not called you on it before. However, I am calling you on it now. I repeated your experiment. It does not work. The only way you could get the data you claim is by generating it yourself. Any claim you can affect the absorption spectrum of distilled water means you claim the ability to create matter. This is not possible. It is a major violation of physical law, which you seem quite willing to ignore to suit your convenience. If creating matter were possible, then think what could happen. A waiter could be bringing a tray of water to guests. He is absently-mindedly thinking of something else on the way. When he arrives, the water has turned to wine. How often does that occur? Your claims are false. Your data is faked. Shame on you, Marshall. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall On 5/14/2012 1:19 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Oh, water definitely has memory. I have proved it several times myself. Al you need is a scanning photospectrometer and some distilled water. You run a baseline with the distilled water, then expose it to something that will structure it and run it again. The effect is nothing short of dramatic. I have found that the absorption spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet are affected by it seems almost everything. Here are some of the things I found: magnets reiki orgonite some spirals of copper wire that were claimed to give off energy thoughts like love, hate and healing. These experiments are completely repeatable and different things will have consistent but different spectrums. However I have found I am unable to do them myself because I have a strong flux of healing energy that comes off my hands now and screws up all the results giving a spectrum of healing water every time I try it now. Marshall Marshall, I completely deny you can have any effect on the absorption spectrum of distilled water with magnets, reiki, orgonite, spirals of copper, or any kinds of thoughts. I have 3 diode array photospectrometers by Hewlett-Packard. They are the HP 8452A UV-VIS models, which are more advanced than the one you have. I find the spectrums you plot don't make any sense. The conclusions I have come to are the data is faked, or actually belongs to a different condition than you claim. This is not the first time you have faked data. Your article titled Maxwell's Pressure Demon and the Second Law of Thermodynamics at http://www.execonn.com/maxwell/maxwells_demon.html is a masterpiece of deception. It has so many flaws and misstatements of fact that I am surprised someone has not called you on it before. However, I am calling you on it now. I repeated your experiment. It does not work. The only way you could get the data you claim is by generating it yourself. Any claim you can affect the absorption spectrum of distilled water means you claim the ability to create matter. This is not possible. It is a major violation of physical law, which you seem quite willing to ignore to suit your convenience. If creating matter were possible, then think what could happen. A waiter could be bringing a tray of water to guests. He is absently-mindedly thinking of something else on the way. When he arrives, the water has turned to wine. How often does that occur? Your claims are false. Your data is faked. Shame on you, Marshall. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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You may be a very clever man Mike Monett, but are also very unpleasant and insulting. dee On 14 May 2012, at 18:19, Mike Monett wrote: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: Oh, water definitely has memory. I have proved it several times myself. Al you need is a scanning photospectrometer and some distilled water. You run a baseline with the distilled water, then expose it to something that will structure it and run it again. The effect is nothing short of dramatic. I have found that the absorption spectrum in the infrared and ultraviolet are affected by it seems almost everything. Here are some of the things I found: magnets reiki orgonite some spirals of copper wire that were claimed to give off energy thoughts like love, hate and healing. These experiments are completely repeatable and different things will have consistent but different spectrums. However I have found I am unable to do them myself because I have a strong flux of healing energy that comes off my hands now and screws up all the results giving a spectrum of healing water every time I try it now. Marshall Marshall, I completely deny you can have any effect on the absorption spectrum of distilled water with magnets, reiki, orgonite, spirals of copper, or any kinds of thoughts. I have 3 diode array photospectrometers by Hewlett-Packard. They are the HP 8452A UV-VIS models, which are more advanced than the one you have. I find the spectrums you plot don't make any sense. The conclusions I have come to are the data is faked, or actually belongs to a different condition than you claim. This is not the first time you have faked data. Your article titled Maxwell's Pressure Demon and the Second Law of Thermodynamics at http://www.execonn.com/maxwell/maxwells_demon.html is a masterpiece of deception. It has so many flaws and misstatements of fact that I am surprised someone has not called you on it before. However, I am calling you on it now. I repeated your experiment. It does not work. The only way you could get the data you claim is by generating it yourself. Any claim you can affect the absorption spectrum of distilled water means you claim the ability to create matter. This is not possible. It is a major violation of physical law, which you seem quite willing to ignore to suit your convenience. If creating matter were possible, then think what could happen. A waiter could be bringing a tray of water to guests. He is absently-mindedly thinking of something else on the way. When he arrives, the water has turned to wine. How often does that occur? Your claims are false. Your data is faked. Shame on you, Marshall. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike, You are obviously very intelligent and well-read. And presumably a well meaning person. But you cherry pick data and have very selective vision. You were just talking about other planes and spiritual experiences as being real phenomena. But intention affecting water is clearly blasphemous in your mind. This these are both ludicrous at the surface, to accept one and reject the other is inconsistent. There are many people who know too much about theory. They become too narrow minded to even consider that an observation in contradiction with theory could possibly be true. They won't even look at it! As Marshall rightly said, some are not even willing to look through the telescope. When observations consistently do not tally with theory, one should be unbiased and entertain the possibility that theory is wrong. On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 7:26 PM, Mike Monett mrmon...@pstca.com wrote: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your accusations of a known and beloved member here.I don't know where owner Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious accusation was being made. You need to back up though. You may not agree with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice. But your accusations are way out of line. There are dynamics going on you have no understanding of, so you accuse Marshall of lies. If you could only see how much your own narrow mind is LYING to YOU.But whether or not you choose to look at that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to egregiously accuse someone with whom you disagree of lying and faking. Until owner Mike gets back in gear - and I will write him privately, in the case he is just too busy to keep up with the list at the moment - I would encourage all of us to simply block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no longer respond to him in any way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his accusational stance.Sara Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Well said Sara, I totally agree Debbie From: Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com; mdev...@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:40 PM Subject: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your accusations of a known and beloved member here. I don't know where owner Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious accusation was being made. You need to back up though. You may not agree with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice. But your accusations are way out of line. There are dynamics going on you have no understanding of, so you accuse Marshall of lies. If you could only see how much your own narrow mind is LYING to YOU. But whether or not you choose to look at that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to egregiously accuse someone with whom you disagree of lying and faking. Until owner Mike gets back in gear - and I will write him privately, in the case he is just too busy to keep up with the list at the moment - I would encourage all of us to simply block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no longer respond to him in any way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his accusational stance. Sara Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself. I don't want to leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days. Jaxi On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 9:40 PM, Sara Mandal-Joy smjl...@wavewls.comwrote: Mike Monet - there is NO place on this forum for YOUR behavior - your accusations of a known and beloved member here.I don't know where owner Mike is at the moment - he'd usually step in when such an egregious accusation was being made. You need to back up though.You may not agree with Marshall - you don't have to, that is your choice. But your accusations are way out of line. There are dynamics going on you have no understanding of, so you accuse Marshall of lies. If you could only see how much your own narrow mind is LYING to YOU.But whether or not you choose to look at that, it is not accepted behavior on this list to egregiously accuse someone with whom you disagree of lying and faking. Until owner Mike gets back in gear - and I will write him privately, in the case he is just too busy to keep up with the list at the moment - I would encourage all of us to simply block Mike Monet, or at the very least, to no longer respond to him in any way, at least until such time as he shows a willingness to back off his accusational stance.Sara Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com** wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you are doing is deliberate. You know how a spectrophotometer works. You have had access to one long enough. The only way you can change the spectrum of distilled water is to put something in it. Ions, atoms, molecules, or any kind of physical matter. It does not work on thoughts, emotions, prayer, or any non-physical thing. It does not work on coils of copper wire. If you are presenting data and claiming it is the result of these things, then you are faking the data. There is no place in this forum for that behavior. Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-request@**eskimo.comsilver-list-requ...@eskimo.com ?subject=**unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/**silver-list@eskimo.com/**maillist.htmlhttp://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions:mailto:silver-**off-topic-l...@eskimo.comsilver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devourmailto:mdevour@eskimo.**com mdev...@eskimo.com
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So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. Take carbon for example, if structure did not affect the absorption spectrum, then diamonds, graphite and flullerines would be the exact same color. They are not. Thus I know no such thing, and since I ran the experiments several times and got consistent results I know something other than anything physical can affect the absorption spectrum of water. To claim that one's theories of how the universe works are right simply because your theory must be right, and that experimental evidence is of no importance is nothing more than a religious fervor. I don't pretent to understand it, all I can do is report what I observed. To make something like that up is ridiculous and there is no reason for anyone to do it. I am a seeker of truth, and when I run across something I find interesting I tell others about it in hopes it might help us understand the universe. I am not going to pretend something did not happen or lie just because it does not fit your or my own little view of the universe and would make things easier. This is not theory, but experimental evidence. For instance take the paper published in Nature 1988 by Benveniste and 13 other scientists, and I quote from that article on homeopathic preparations: specific information must have been transmitted during the dilution/shaking process. Water could act as a template for the molecule, for example, by an infinite hydrogen-bonded network, or electric and magnetic fields... The precise nature of the phenomenon remains unexplained. Quoting from The Field by Lynne McTaggart page 63: Benveniste had discovered the memory of water. I just searched to see if any others have made similar measurements. I found several, the following is from the book: The Intention Experiment: After a group of healers had sent healing to samples of water, Grad chemically analyzed the water by infrared spectroscopy. He discovered that the water treated by the healers had undergone a fundamental change in the bonding of oxygen and hydrogen in its molecular makeup. The hydrogen bonding between the molecules had lessened in a manner similar to that which occurs in water exposed to magnets. (9) A number of other scientists confirmed Grad's findings; Russian researchers discovered that the hydrogen-oxygen bonds in water molecules undergo distortions in the crystalline microstructure during healing. These kinds of changes can occur simply through the act of intention. In one study experienced meditators sent an intention to affect the molecular structure of water samples they were holding through the meditation. When the water was later examined by infrared spectrophotometry many of its essential qualities, particularly its absorbance--the amount of light absorbed by the water at a particular wavelength--had been significantly altered. (11) When someone holds a focused thought, he may be altering the very molecular structure of the object of his intention. 9. B. Grad - Dimensions in Some biological effects of laying on of hands and their implications in H.A Otto and J. W. Knight Dimensions in wholistic Healing New Frontiers inthe Treatment f the Whole Person (Chicago: Nelson-Hall, 1979, pages 199-212 11. G. Rein and R. McCraty, Structured changes in water and DNA asscoiated with new physiologicvally measurable states, Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1994; 8(3), 438-439 Mind you that when I ran the experiments, I was completely unaware others had done so as well. But I still got exactly the same results as they did. It seems that your results, if you even ran the experiments, are questionable since they do not agree with the others who have run these experiments and published their findings and aren't afraid to tell the truth. Marshall On 5/14/2012 10:26 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here, and totally uncalled for. Which unit do you have? They make a number of units. Mine is a Hack DR 4000. which cost around $5,000 when I bought it. Have you even run such experiments with your unit, or are you assuming that it would not give similar results and not even running the tests similar to what the Catholic Church did when they refused to look through Galileo's telescope because they knew it could not be true? Marshall There is no mistake Marshall. What you
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jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself. I don't want to leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days. Jaxi Jaxi, can you post the four basic equations for the silver electrolysis process? I recently described 8 different ways to detect contamination in your system. Can you name one? People come here to learn about colloidal silver. They ask very simple questions. No one can answer them. This is the longest-running forum on colliodal silver in existence. Why do you treat newcomers this way? I am here to represent the weak, the sick, the ones who have lost everything and have no where to turn. I know how it feels. I have just gone through the same thing. These people come here for help. There is no other substance that can offer the incredible results of silver ions. If you wish for the good old days when newcomers were ignored, then you insult the reason that Mike Devour stuck with this forum for so many years, looking for information of how to make cs work better. His gift to the world will never be forgotten. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Sorry to repeat myself but Timothy Leary took photos of the different molecular shapes of different (non chemical) homeopathic remedies - so if there is no chemical trace of any substance in the water used but the molecular shape is changed - what changed it? Jane - Original Message - From: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 2:01 PM Subject: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. Take carbon for example, if structure did not affect the absorption spectrum, then diamonds, graphite and flullerines would be the exact same color. They are not. Thus I know no such thing, and since I ran the experiments several times and got consistent results I know something other than anything physical can affect the absorption spectrum of water. To claim that one's theories of how the universe works are right simply because your theory must be right, and that experimental evidence is of no importance is nothing more than a religious fervor. I don't pretent to understand it, all I can do is report what I observed. To make something like that up is ridiculous and there is no reason for anyone to do it. I am a seeker of truth, and when I run across something I find interesting I tell others about it in hopes it might help us understand the universe. I am not going to pretend something did not happen or lie just because it does not fit your or my own little view of the universe and would make things easier. This is not theory, but experimental evidence. For instance take the paper published in Nature 1988 by Benveniste and 13 other scientists, and I quote from that article on homeopathic preparations: specific information must have been transmitted during the dilution/shaking process. Water could act as a template for the molecule, for example, by an infinite hydrogen-bonded network, or electric and magnetic fields... The precise nature of the phenomenon remains unexplained. Quoting from The Field by Lynne McTaggart page 63: Benveniste had discovered the memory of water. I just searched to see if any others have made similar measurements. I found several, the following is from the book: The Intention Experiment: After a group of healers had sent healing to samples of water, Grad chemically analyzed the water by infrared spectroscopy. He discovered that the water treated by the healers had undergone a fundamental change in the bonding of oxygen and hydrogen in its molecular makeup. The hydrogen bonding between the molecules had lessened in a manner similar to that which occurs in water exposed to magnets. (9) A number of other scientists confirmed Grad's findings; Russian researchers discovered that the hydrogen-oxygen bonds in water molecules undergo distortions in the crystalline microstructure during healing. These kinds of changes can occur simply through the act of intention. In one study experienced meditators sent an intention to affect the molecular structure of water samples they were holding through the meditation. When the water was later examined by infrared spectrophotometry many of its essential qualities, particularly its absorbance--the amount of light absorbed by the water at a particular wavelength--had been significantly altered. (11) When someone holds a focused thought, he may be altering the very molecular structure of the object of his intention. 9. B. Grad - Dimensions in Some biological effects of laying on of hands and their implications in H.A Otto and J. W. Knight Dimensions in wholistic Healing New Frontiers inthe Treatment f the Whole Person (Chicago: Nelson-Hall, 1979, pages 199-212 11. G. Rein and R. McCraty, Structured changes in water and DNA asscoiated with new physiologicvally measurable states, Journal of Scientific Exploration, 1994; 8(3), 438-439 Mind you that when I ran the experiments, I was completely unaware others had done so as well. But I still got exactly the same results as they did. It seems that your results, if you even ran the experiments, are questionable since they do not agree with the others who have run these experiments and published their findings and aren't afraid to tell the truth. Marshall On 5/14/2012 10:26 PM, Mike Monett wrote: Marshallmdud...@king-cart.com wrote: You are welcome to your opinion. But it is uncalled for to say I have faked any data. Nothing could be further from the truth. I may have misinterpreted data, misunderstood data, but I have NEVER faked data, and never would. I am outraged by your unfounded accusations which have no basis in fact at all. Ad hokem attacks are against the ground rules here
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Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. [...] Marshall Give up Marshall. The spiritual world and the physical plane are two completely different entities. There is no way you can change the absorption spectrum of distilled water without adding ions, atoms or molecules. Any suggestion that you can is fraudulent Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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1. Spirited discussion/argument can be healthy, it puts a little life into the party.2. You are here in support of your own production methods.3. It's not 'colloidal silver', it's a predominantly ionic silver solution.4. ##What percentage of silver in your process is particulate, and what percentage is ionic?5. If you are suggesting you're a 'newcomer', then to be fair, you are not a newcomer.6. If someone dib dobs, Mike *will* come in. A previous member some years ago was booted out because he supported a particular hypothesis, thus denying anyone else from making up their own minds as to the credibility, or otherwise, of his argument. I personally don't want to see that repeated. I've already been denied the benefit of his efforts. 7. I'm here to represent the mug punter who knows nothing about chemical equations and all that other guff but just want to make a good home produced EIS/CS using the LVDC method. And to dispel all those myths they may read about in the public domain regarding this stuff. Of course it will be from my own opinions and experience and nothing to do with chemistry or other academic pursuits, but I believe I am entitled to air those opinions. Not unlike myself, you appear to have the ability to get peoples backs up at times g. I find it amusing, some may not, but I do. Others can hit the delete button if they choose without the need to dib dob to Mike. P.S. I seem to recall not that long ago you opted out of any further participation with member of this group to further your own cause with your own group, how come you're back? N. From: mrmon...@pstca.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:24:48 -0400 jaxi jaxi.sch...@gmail.com wrote: Amen Sara I have been considering using block myself. I don't want to leave this group but I have to admit I miss the pre Mike Monett days. Jaxi Jaxi, can you post the four basic equations for the silver electrolysis process? I recently described 8 different ways to detect contamination in your system. Can you name one? People come here to learn about colloidal silver. They ask very simple questions. No one can answer them. This is the longest-running forum on colliodal silver in existence. Why do you treat newcomers this way? I am here to represent the weak, the sick, the ones who have lost everything and have no where to turn. I know how it feels. I have just gone through the same thing. These people come here for help. There is no other substance that can offer the incredible results of silver ions. If you wish for the good old days when newcomers were ignored, then you insult the reason that Mike Devour stuck with this forum for so many years, looking for information of how to make cs work better. His gift to the world will never be forgotten. Thanks, Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I could suggest a few lectures by Manly P Hall to listen to which might change your mind Mike... but even that suggestion I think might be a waste of energy .Energy comes in many forms and affects everything you direct it to. It's called intent. Cheers... Hanneke At 02:29 PM 15/05/2012, you wrote: Marshall mdud...@king-cart.com wrote: So you don't believe there is anything to such things as holy water? If water can form crystal structures, and there is plenty of evidence it can homeopathic water being only one of them, then almost certainly the absorption spectrum will change with that structure. [...] Marshall Give up Marshall. The spiritual world and the physical plane are two completely different entities. There is no way you can change the absorption spectrum of distilled water without adding ions, atoms or molecules. Any suggestion that you can is fraudulent Mike Monett -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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that's a great idea to try the bach on pets my prescious has a huge separation anxiety problem and also in the last 4 months has been unexplainably hot i think it's anxiety i took her to the vet ran all the blood tests it's nothing physical i'm gonna try the bach! Maple Springs Farm Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... http://www.maplesprings.com On-Line Cookbook http://www.maplespringsfarm.com -- Original Message --- From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:03:18 +1000 Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations The creatures respond very well to Bach Flower essences as well as homeopath, they are far more sensitive than we are - I have had excellent results from homeopathy for 51 years of practice, both for acute and chronic conditions - startling results at times even with emotional issues. A few of my friends help at the Gawler Clinic - he lives just up the road from here. Jane I haven't tried the stuff myself, though it may be worth giving it the benefit of the doubt, as our ability to comprehend the magnificence of mother nature is handicapped by our extremely limited abilities of perception. All of us can understand than an ant living in a crack in the floor has a very limited worldview. But our hubris (i.e. our inflated sense of self importance) prevents us from admitting that our own perceptions of time, physical dimension and electromagnetic bandwidth are little better than that of an insect. The Gawler Foundation near Melbourne Australia teaches cancer suffers self help strategies. It's founder, Ian Gawler, says that during his time as a veterinarian, he sometimes used the Bach Flower homeopathic remedies with good success when treating animals. e.g. http://books.google.co.id/books?id=fmwDJ_U6hFACpg=PA161lpg=PA161dq=ian+gawler+bach+flowersource=blots=rvtlig1WLUsig=ghkCv3Sl_2dvsy4g6od5OEnlbiMhl=ensa=Xei=E8quT8zuCcLIrQfk3_iTBAredir_esc=y#v=onepageq=ian%20gawler%20bach%20flowerf=false -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- End of Original Message ---
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Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work. Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there besides just the Bach? Pacific Essences, 250-384-5560 www.pacificessences.com www.energymedicine.ca Floweressence Services www.Floweressence.com530-265-6467 1-800-548-0075 www.desert-alchemy.com8000 736-3382 Wild Earth Animal Essences ( No contact for that one yet.) www.ravenessences.com Andrea 905-832-8245 There is also a tree essence maker somewhere in Canada. I'll look further for that info and another one from Ireland or UK that I can't find their contact for too. They all work in their own wonderful ways. Cheers! Tara On 5/13/12, Maple Springs Farm i...@maplesprings.com wrote: that's a great idea to try the bach on pets my prescious has a huge separation anxiety problem and also in the last 4 months has been unexplainably hot i think it's anxiety i took her to the vet ran all the blood tests it's nothing physical i'm gonna try the bach! Maple Springs Farm Farm Store - Maple Syrup, Custom Embroidery, Etched Glass, Shoo-fly pie, Funny Cake Pie, Emu Oil, Dog Art Prints, Handmade Soap and More... http://www.maplesprings.com On-Line Cookbook http://www.maplespringsfarm.com -- Original Message --- From: Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sun, 13 May 2012 14:03:18 +1000 Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations The creatures respond very well to Bach Flower essences as well as homeopath, they are far more sensitive than we are - I have had excellent results from homeopathy for 51 years of practice, both for acute and chronic conditions - startling results at times even with emotional issues. A few of my friends help at the Gawler Clinic - he lives just up the road from here. Jane I haven't tried the stuff myself, though it may be worth giving it the benefit of the doubt, as our ability to comprehend the magnificence of mother nature is handicapped by our extremely limited abilities of perception. All of us can understand than an ant living in a crack in the floor has a very limited worldview. But our hubris (i.e. our inflated sense of self importance) prevents us from admitting that our own perceptions of time, physical dimension and electromagnetic bandwidth are little better than that of an insect. The Gawler Foundation near Melbourne Australia teaches cancer suffers self help strategies. It's founder, Ian Gawler, says that during his time as a veterinarian, he sometimes used the Bach Flower homeopathic remedies with good success when treating animals. e.g. http://books.google.co.id/books?id=fmwDJ_U6hFACpg=PA161lpg=PA161dq=ian+gawler+bach+flowersource=blots=rvtlig1WLUsig=ghkCv3Sl_2dvsy4g6od5OEnlbiMhl=ensa=Xei=E8quT8zuCcLIrQfk3_iTBAredir_esc=y#v=onepageq=ian%20gawler%20bach%20flowerf=false -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com --- End of Original Message ---
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And me. :) I've made just over 100 different essences from the native texas flowers. I just love essences. They are indeed very powerful, yet gentle. There are actually makers from all over the world now. A very good one is in Australia. The Alaska maker is very good. Perelandra has excellent ones. Well, in fact--all essences are wonderful. And simple to make your own. If you are drawn to certain flowers, then those flowers have something for you. An essence from them could be exactly what a person needs. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work. Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there besides just the Bach? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi Renee, I've noticed when practicing hypnotherapy, that when clients visualized going through a door into a garden, they'd often find a particular flower of extra radiance and appeal. When we'd look it up, it would often be the exact medical or homeopathic plant needed. The subconscious knows so much! Be well, Léna On May 13, 2012, at 9:04 AM, Renee wrote: And me. :) I've made just over 100 different essences from the native texas flowers. I just love essences. They are indeed very powerful, yet gentle. There are actually makers from all over the world now. A very good one is in Australia. The Alaska maker is very good. Perelandra has excellent ones. Well, in fact--all essences are wonderful. And simple to make your own. If you are drawn to certain flowers, then those flowers have something for you. An essence from them could be exactly what a person needs. Samala, Renee -Original Message- Yup, tose flower remedys ertainly do work. Did anyone know that there are several other flower essences out there besides just the Bach? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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When I would do shows Id place a big bowl on the table and fill it with bottles of essences. People would come over and want me to tell them what essence they needed, or theyd want to read my catalog to see what they needed. Id tell themdont tell me your problem. Just spend a moment thinking of your problem you want to work on, then reach into the bowl and pull out an essence. Theyd do that, and tell me the essence. Wed look into the catalog to see what the essence was for (since I had so many it was hard for me to remember what each one did, lol) and theyd get such a shocked look on their face and would exclaim this is EXACTLY for what I was thinking about. Lol I told them yes, the body knows. The subconscious knows. Theyd buy it and then want a prescription for how to use ithow many drops, how many times per day and for how many days. Id tell themyour body just showed you it knows. Now, I can muscle test you and tell you, but you need to learn to listen to your body. Put the dropper in and whatever it sucks up is exactly the amount you need. Put the bottle on your bathroom counter. Take some every time you go in there. When you start thinking Ive got to take my essence while Im in the bathroom BUT you forget to take it, then you will know youve had enough. I found that when I was filling bottles that say would need 6 drops of the mother tincture, Id suck up exactly 6 drops! The body knows. The subconscious knows. We just have forgotten to listen. Samala, Renee From: Guyot Léna [mailto:drumr...@stny.rr.com] I've noticed when practicing hypnotherapy, that when clients visualized going through a door into a garden, they'd often find a particular flower of extra radiance and appeal. When we'd look it up, it would often be the exact medical or homeopathic plant needed. The subconscious knows so much!
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It's possible that ALL our Heritage domestic crops and animals were GMO some 6,000 years ago or more...making farming worth doing. They can't be de-hyridized back to any wild ancestor and not many can survive without cultivation. NO food is safe for everyone, not now. not then, nor before then...and probably never will be. I've eaten the *new* GMO foods for many years. Don't know which are which. No problems so far...even if store tomatoes do taste like cardboard. You? No way to tell. Probably HAS harmed a few and probably did 6,000 years ago too. GMO really should be labeled, but unreasoned fear lumps everything together preventing it as a bottom line issue...like putting a gas mask on 6+ billion people because 10,000 of them are deathly allergic to a whiff of peanuts. Ode At 04:17 PM 5/12/2012 +1000, you wrote: PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: mailto:highfie...@internode.on.netJane MacRoss To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htmhttp://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: mailto:hilar...@gmail.comleo To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyhttp://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly Love the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poeticshttp://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.comwww.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus
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Your nerves require excito-toxins to function. You also need the deadly toxic metal Selenium to rid your body of other toxic metals...like Copper and Zinc. What sugar is found in the blood stream other than Glucose? Ode At 12:09 PM 5/12/2012 -0400, you wrote: Sure! if you're into excito-toxins. Great stuff. It's negative track record is accumulating. As for the ads trying to shill high-frutose corn syrup as being identical to sugar, that the body recognizes no difference, puleeze! HFC creates (within the body) an even greater craving for more of itself than sugar. Makes you want another and another and another diet soda. Has little to do with thirst. ;) Léna On May 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM, mailto:devorah...@yahoo.comdevorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sure Splenda is acceptable too. Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile Jane MacRoss mailto:highfie...@internode.on.nethighfie...@internode.on.net wrote: PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htmhttp://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyhttp://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly Love the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poeticshttp://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check
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Look into the recent non-local field experiments and Einsteins Spooky Action at a Distance If you look at everything backwards it looks different than it is.effect taking on the appearance of cause. It's not the water that holds the memory or the intent. The water symbolizes the memory or intent of those that do hold it. The cause of intent and memory resides in the non-local field and is accessed by a symbolic address. ANY object will serve the same purpose...as trigger. ..and you aren't holding the gun. The gun is holding you. Take Aim if you like, but if there is no target, you can't miss. Targets tend to dodge and weave a lot...as they 'will' Ode At 07:08 AM 5/12/2012 -0700, you wrote: I have never heard of Schauberger before this posting. Did some snooping around on the internet and he sure is an interesting guy who made some helpful contributions. I was puzzled about the statement about water having a 'memory' and so googled the term Water Memory, which gave rise to a Wikipedia article of some interest, but it looks like the experiments that showed that water has a memory were not reproduce-able if the research was done via double-blind methods. I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it works. True believers will believe regardless whether any real proof can be provided or not. I am not a believer in homeopathy and am convinced that if EIS were diluted via homeopathic methods until no silver atoms were left, which appears to be the standard, it would cease to have any effectiveness other than the placebo effect. Regardless, I always like to read and hear perspectives and beliefs that are new to me or different than what I've been taught or have experienced. I do try to be careful not to confuse opinions or beliefs with iron-clad facts. It is my opinion that iron-clad facts and physical laws are far outnumbered by opinions and sincere beliefs. Cheers Steve --- On Sat, 5/12/12, Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com wrote: From: Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com Subject: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:36 AM Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene
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Even when a tomato smells like a tomato these days you can't tell, if they're not organic, if they're GMd or what - as it is the organic ones are usually dreadful - the best I taste ever in my life were Black Russian this year found in an op shop (unused) they were not only divine the skins melted too drool drool ... After all if it looks good and smells good - why not try it? Jane From: Ode Coyote It's possible that ALL our Heritage domestic crops and animals were GMO some 6,000 years ago or more...making farming worth doing. They can't be de-hyridized back to any wild ancestor and not many can survive without cultivation. NO food is safe for everyone, not now. not then, nor before then...and probably never will be. I've eaten the *new* GMO foods for many years. Don't know which are which. No problems so far...even if store tomatoes do taste like cardboard. You? No way to tell. Probably HAS harmed a few and probably did 6,000 years ago too. GMO really should be labeled, but unreasoned fear lumps everything together preventing it as a bottom line issue...like putting a gas mask on 6+ billion people because 10,000 of them are deathly allergic to a whiff of peanuts.
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love it .. From: Ode Coyote Look into the recent non-local field experiments and Einsteins Spooky Action at a Distance If you look at everything backwards it looks different than it is.effect taking on the appearance of cause. It's not the water that holds the memory or the intent. The water symbolizes the memory or intent of those that do hold it. The cause of intent and memory resides in the non-local field and is accessed by a symbolic address. ANY object will serve the same purpose...as trigger. ..and you aren't holding the gun. The gun is holding you. Take Aim if you like, but if there is no target, you can't miss. Targets tend to dodge and weave a lot...as they 'will' Ode At 07:08 AM 5/12/2012 -0700, you wrote: I have never heard of Schauberger before this posting. Did some snooping around on the internet and he sure is an interesting guy who made some helpful contributions. I was puzzled about the statement about water having a 'memory' and so googled the term Water Memory, which gave rise to a Wikipedia article of some interest, but it looks like the experiments that showed that water has a memory were not reproduce-able if the research was done via double-blind methods. I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it works. True believers will believe regardless whether any real proof can be provided or not. I am not a believer in homeopathy and am convinced that if EIS were diluted via homeopathic methods until no silver atoms were left, which appears to be the standard, it would cease to have any effectiveness other than the placebo effect. Regardless, I always like to read and hear perspectives and beliefs that are new to me or different than what I've been taught or have experienced. I do try to be careful not to confuse opinions or beliefs with iron-clad facts. It is my opinion that iron-clad facts and physical laws are far outnumbered by opinions and sincere beliefs. Cheers Steve --- On Sat, 5/12/12, Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com wrote: From: Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com Subject: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:36 AM Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.2171 / Virus Database: 2425/4997 - Release Date: 05/13/12
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You mean Blood Sugar is not a separate sugar? - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 2:46 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Your nerves require excito-toxins to function. You also need the deadly toxic metal Selenium to rid your body of other toxic metals...like Copper and Zinc. What sugar is found in the blood stream other than Glucose? Ode At 12:09 PM 5/12/2012 -0400, you wrote: Sure! if you're into excito-toxins. Great stuff. It's negative track record is accumulating. As for the ads trying to shill high-frutose corn syrup as being identical to sugar, that the body recognizes no difference, puleeze! HFC creates (within the body) an even greater craving for more of itself than sugar. Makes you want another and another and another diet soda. Has little to do with thirst. ;) Léna On May 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM, devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sure Splenda is acceptable too. Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also
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More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12
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PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12
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Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene
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I'm sure Splenda is acceptable too. Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12
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I have never heard of Schauberger before this posting. Did some snooping around on the internet and he sure is an interesting guy who made some helpful contributions. I was puzzled about the statement about water having a 'memory' and so googled the term Water Memory, which gave rise to a Wikipedia article of some interest, but it looks like the experiments that showed that water has a memory were not reproduce-able if the research was done via double-blind methods. I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it works. True believers will believe regardless whether any real proof can be provided or not. I am not a believer in homeopathy and am convinced that if EIS were diluted via homeopathic methods until no silver atoms were left, which appears to be the standard, it would cease to have any effectiveness other than the placebo effect. Regardless, I always like to read and hear perspectives and beliefs that are new to me or different than what I've been taught or have experienced. I do try to be careful not to confuse opinions or beliefs with iron-clad facts. It is my opinion that iron-clad facts and physical laws are far outnumbered by opinions and sincere beliefs. Cheers Steve --- On Sat, 5/12/12, Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com wrote: From: Carlene Yasak carlene.ya...@gmail.com Subject: Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Saturday, May 12, 2012, 7:36 AM Re Images and research on water other than Dr. Emoto's, some of you may wish to look into Viktor Schauberger's life's work. It is fascinating. He is the father of modern research ion the nature and behavior of water. Articles and videos in many languages about him and those inspired by his research are easy to find on the internet. Most non-chemical community water purification systems are based on his findings as are most home purification units and commercially distributed exotic water hybrids that claim to produce water that is micronized, living, energized, etc. In passing I will just mention that water has a memory as many who have wondered about why homeopathy works will know. But that is another subject that we could debate endlessly, like the subject of water itself. I only wish to point out that the subject is vast and I have learned a lot by looking into it. Every good wish to list members, Carlene
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Sure! if you're into excito-toxins. Great stuff. It's negative track record is accumulating. As for the ads trying to shill high-frutose corn syrup as being identical to sugar, that the body recognizes no difference, puleeze! HFC creates (within the body) an even greater craving for more of itself than sugar. Makes you want another and another and another diet soda. Has little to do with thirst. ;) Léna On May 12, 2012, at 8:51 AM, devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: I'm sure Splenda is acceptable too. Sent via my Samsung Replenish from Boost Mobile Jane MacRoss highfie...@internode.on.net wrote: PS I suppose GM is safe too? - Original Message - From: Jane MacRoss To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 4:15 PM Subject: Re: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations More off topic stuff (Leo I can't get the flying video to work - it must have flown) This amazed me - I was sure that microwaved foods were harmful - is this a butter/margarine debate - or opal/diamond debate / some commercial interest to bend the reality waves again for us? http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2006/03/23/1597903.htm I bet if I put this on facebook all 5,000 of my friends would tell me otherwise! They all argue with whatever I write anyway. Ah the joys of mother and grandmotherhood! Jane - Original Message - From: leo To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2012 10:40 AM Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2425/4992 - Release Date: 05/11/12-- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail
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Steve G chube...@yahoo.com wrote: I think the question should not be 'how' homeopathy works, but 'whether' it= works. .. I am not a believer in homeopathy I haven't tried the stuff myself, though it may be worth giving it the benefit of the doubt, as our ability to comprehend the magnificence of mother nature is handicapped by our extremely limited abilities of perception. All of us can understand than an ant living in a crack in the floor has a very limited worldview. But our hubris (i.e. our inflated sense of self importance) prevents us from admitting that our own perceptions of time, physical dimension and electromagnetic bandwidth are little better than that of an insect. The Gawler Foundation near Melbourne Australia teaches cancer suffers self help strategies. It's founder, Ian Gawler, says that during his time as a veterinarian, he sometimes used the Bach Flower homeopathic remedies with good success when treating animals. e.g. http://books.google.co.id/books?id=fmwDJ_U6hFACpg=PA161lpg=PA161dq=ian+gawler+bach+flowersource=blots=rvtlig1WLUsig=ghkCv3Sl_2dvsy4g6od5OEnlbiMhl=ensa=Xei=E8quT8zuCcLIrQfk3_iTBAredir_esc=y#v=onepageq=ian%20gawler%20bach%20flowerf=false -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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The creatures respond very well to Bach Flower essences as well as homeopath, they are far more sensitive than we are - I have had excellent results from homeopathy for 51 years of practice, both for acute and chronic conditions - startling results at times even with emotional issues. A few of my friends help at the Gawler Clinic - he lives just up the road from here. Jane I haven't tried the stuff myself, though it may be worth giving it the benefit of the doubt, as our ability to comprehend the magnificence of mother nature is handicapped by our extremely limited abilities of perception. All of us can understand than an ant living in a crack in the floor has a very limited worldview. But our hubris (i.e. our inflated sense of self importance) prevents us from admitting that our own perceptions of time, physical dimension and electromagnetic bandwidth are little better than that of an insect. The Gawler Foundation near Melbourne Australia teaches cancer suffers self help strategies. It's founder, Ian Gawler, says that during his time as a veterinarian, he sometimes used the Bach Flower homeopathic remedies with good success when treating animals. e.g. http://books.google.co.id/books?id=fmwDJ_U6hFACpg=PA161lpg=PA161dq=ian+gawler+bach+flowersource=blots=rvtlig1WLUsig=ghkCv3Sl_2dvsy4g6od5OEnlbiMhl=ensa=Xei=E8quT8zuCcLIrQfk3_iTBAredir_esc=y#v=onepageq=ian%20gawler%20bach%20flowerf=false -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations
Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such *beautiful *pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-flyLove the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of* meditation *can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na
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It is interesting to note Snopes take on this issue - http://www.snopes.com/science/microwave/plants.asp Not that I really trust Snopes. But it is worth looking at such claims from several vantage points and testing and re-testing to confirm results. Of course, this reference is not about microwave effects on food, but rather just plain water, so it does not directly address the suggestion that microwave has some sinister effect on food heated in this manner. --- On Fri, 5/11/12, leo hilar...@gmail.com wrote: From: leo hilar...@gmail.com Subject: CSmicrowave food: hard-boiled vibrations To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Friday, May 11, 2012, 8:40 PM Dear Friends In 1980 I briefly worked with botanist Bargyla Rateaver PhD, a notorious long-time organic-gardening professor for U.California. At the time Dr. Rateaver occasionally published on dangers to DNA posed by microwave cooking. As I knew something about nutrition, I wanted to know all about this issue. I was so fortunate to be able to directly and leisurely view this beloved professor's personal collection of research data on the issue. And so at that time I quickly learned... There is no argument that microwave cooking damages cells of many foods. But what I learned is that all the available reports on the topic which Dr. B had collected concerning hazards of microwaved food indicated the damage to biological cells was identical to that long reported with conventional cooking methods... And I learned it's not so easy to discuss the issue. __ Anyway- re the discovery of water crystals - Such beautiful pictures! So imaginative. There must be scores of photographers making images of the phenomenon. But that is apparently not the case. Who can find any independent verification for the phenomena? Not I. What I have found is that this pretty book is a product of Transcendental Meditation interests. As I am told is the case with the film What the BLEEP Do We Know which covers similar terrain. Otoh I absolutely *3* this one TM film: David Wants to Fly - about David Lynch. http://www.linktv.org/programs/david-wants-to-fly Love the meditators at their flying academy Did I notice that all TM flyers seem to be v.young, athletic white males... very occasionally overseen by older Indian male functionaries? Odd.) [btw,...another magnitude of meditation can be found in Crazy Wisdom http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/crazy_wisdom_the_jack_kerouac_school_of_disembodied_poetics ] Leo, Pasadena Hi Jane, For a long time, convenience had made me turn a blind eye to much of =20 what I've read about negative effects of microwave on food. Then I read The Hidden Messages in Water' by Masaru Emoto, a =20 scientist who became fascinated by the structures of ice crystals =20 after varying factors were used on water (types of music, words taped =20= to container, micro-wave, etc.). He did a small, scientific paper =20 about his observations and it that went viral, then was republished =20 for the general public. Just seeing the deformed structure of micro-=20 waved water has made me finally use it rarely. I simply didn't want =20 that sort of ugly chaos in the water of my body. It also made me rethink the studies done years ago of plants leaning =20 toward or cringing from different types of music, language, etc. It =20 might not have been the plants responding at all, but rather, the =20 water within the plants. Check it out! Be well, L=E9na
