RE: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Markus Gufler



Harry,

(please don't post your entire license code to a public 
list.)

regarding the reliability of sniffer we should know that 
errors sometimes can happen, even at sniffer-side after they've worked for years 
now very relaible. I don't expect that such errors will happen now more 
often.

What you can do is trying to configure your declude 
spamfilter in order to hold only if multiple or at least more then one test 
failed. For doing this the first step is to set the maximum weight of each test 
(at least slightly) below your hold weight.

I've configured different weights for different sniffer 
exit codes depending how reliable they seem to me but as a maximum weight for 
sniffer I've set 95% of the mark-subjectline-weight and around 63% of the 
hold-weight. So the problematic sniffer-rule from yesterday was not a real 
problem on our server. There was some single messages who has had a final weight 
above the the hold weight because we use combinations of the most 
reliabletests. From several thousand processed messages only around 20 
messages has had a false-positive combination caused by sniffer-rule82893 and 
another spam test.

Thanks to Andrew and Goran for their info's and scripts. 
Saved a lot of time here.

Pete: Any info if and if yes when you can adapt MDLP for 
the declude v3 logfile? I realy miss this data. Once accustomized 
tothehourly results of MDLP e sometimes feel now like a blind 
chicken :-)

Markus





  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry 
  VanderzandSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:02 PMTo: 
  sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: [sniffer] 
  problems
  
  With the recent issues at sniffer it has caused 
  tremendous problems with the entire client base here.
  
  Sniffer has been so reliable for so lond and al of a 
  sudden recently I cannot rely on it any more
  
  What is going on with sniffer
  
  Will these issues get resolved or is it going to be more 
  unstable than what we have come to rely on?
  
  I need my spam trap software to work without spend hours 
  everyday and without getting a large group of my customers questioning 
  the reliability of what I am doing.
  
  Hope there will be some indication of 
  improvement.
  
  The following is my sniffer code
  
  SNIFFERexternal nonzero 
  "D:\IMail\Declude\sniffer\sniffer.exex" 10 0
  
  Should I be doing something different?
  
  This 
  has worked very well for a year now.
  Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  Computer Services 519-741-1222
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, 
AndrewSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 PMTo: 
sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] Bad Rule - 
828931

Goran, this is pretty much what I did to 
get to re-queuing:gawk "$0 ~ 
/Final\t828931/ {print substr($3,2,16)}" gxamq2kt.log.20060207* 
msgids.txtThe file msgids.txt will now contain just the 
GUID part of the D[guid].SMD from column 3 in the tab delimited Message 
Sniffer log files.I then used a batch file I had previously created 
called qm.cmd (for queue and move). Note that the folders I specify 
are for Declude 1.x, which has an overflow folder. I use the overflow 
folder so that Declude will re-analyze the message:Rem this is the qm.cmd file listingmove 
d:\imail\spool\spam\d%1.smd u:\imail\spool\ nulmove 
d:\imail\spool\spam\q%1.smd u:\imail\spool\overflow\ nulI 
then issued from the command line:for /F %i in (msgids.txt) do 
@qm.cmd %iThat takes of re-queuing all the held messages. I am 
using a move instead of a copy because I want Declude to be able to move a 
message it deems spam to the spam folder. If I used a copy, it would 
fail to do the move because the file is already in the spam folder, and 
Declude would then pass control back to Imail, which would then deliver the 
spam inbound.After my queue went back to normal, I then set to work 
on my dec0207.log file to determine if the entirety of the message was spam 
or ham based on whether it was held or not (which is the simple scenario I 
have).I hope that helps,Andrew 8)
p.s. Another re-posting in HTML so as to 
preserve the line breaks. Sorry for the duplication, 
folks.
 -Original 
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:39 
PM To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] 
Bad Rule - 828931 I just ran the grep command on my log and 
I got 850 hits. Now is there a way to take the output of the 
grep command and use it pull out the total weight of corresponding 
message from the declude log file, or maybe the 
subject? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network 
Solutions  -Original 
Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   

RE: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Harry Vanderzand



thank you

Sorry for the licence goof. Just finished 4 hours 
going through spam

Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  Computer Services 519-741-1222


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Markus 
  GuflerSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:48 AMTo: 
  sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: RE: [sniffer] 
  problems
  
  Harry,
  
  (please don't post your entire license code to a public 
  list.)
  
  regarding the reliability of sniffer we should know that 
  errors sometimes can happen, even at sniffer-side after they've worked for 
  years now very relaible. I don't expect that such errors will happen now more 
  often.
  
  What you can do is trying to configure your declude 
  spamfilter in order to hold only if multiple or at least more then one test 
  failed. For doing this the first step is to set the maximum weight of each 
  test (at least slightly) below your hold weight.
  
  I've configured different weights for different sniffer 
  exit codes depending how reliable they seem to me but as a maximum weight for 
  sniffer I've set 95% of the mark-subjectline-weight and around 63% of the 
  hold-weight. So the problematic sniffer-rule from yesterday was not a real 
  problem on our server. There was some single messages who has had a final 
  weight above the the hold weight because we use combinations of the most 
  reliabletests. From several thousand processed messages only around 20 
  messages has had a false-positive combination caused by sniffer-rule82893 and 
  another spam test.
  
  Thanks to Andrew and Goran for their info's and scripts. 
  Saved a lot of time here.
  
  Pete: Any info if and if yes when you can adapt MDLP for 
  the declude v3 logfile? I realy miss this data. Once accustomized 
  tothehourly results of MDLP e sometimes feel now like a blind 
  chicken :-)
  
  Markus
  
  
  
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Harry 
VanderzandSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:02 
PMTo: sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: [sniffer] 
problems

With the recent issues at sniffer it has caused 
tremendous problems with the entire client base here.

Sniffer has been so reliable for so lond and al of a 
sudden recently I cannot rely on it any more

What is going on with sniffer

Will these issues get resolved or is it going to be 
more unstable than what we have come to rely on?

I need my spam trap software to work without spend 
hours everyday and without getting a large group of my customers 
questioning the reliability of what I am doing.

Hope there will be some indication of 
improvement.

The following is my sniffer code

SNIFFERexternal 
nonzero "D:\IMail\Declude\sniffer\sniffer.exex" 10 0

Should I be doing something different?

This has worked very well for a year now.
Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  Computer Services 519-741-1222


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, 
  AndrewSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 PMTo: 
  sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] Bad Rule - 
  828931
  
  Goran, this is pretty much what I did to 
  get to re-queuing:gawk "$0 ~ 
  /Final\t828931/ {print substr($3,2,16)}" gxamq2kt.log.20060207* 
  msgids.txtThe file msgids.txt will now contain just the 
  GUID part of the D[guid].SMD from column 3 in the tab delimited Message 
  Sniffer log files.I then used a batch file I had previously 
  created called qm.cmd (for queue and move). Note that the folders I 
  specify are for Declude 1.x, which has an overflow folder. I use the 
  overflow folder so that Declude will re-analyze the message:Rem this is the qm.cmd file listingmove 
  d:\imail\spool\spam\d%1.smd u:\imail\spool\ nulmove 
  d:\imail\spool\spam\q%1.smd u:\imail\spool\overflow\ 
  nulI then issued from the command line:for /F 
  %i in (msgids.txt) do @qm.cmd %iThat takes of re-queuing all the 
  held messages. I am using a move instead of a copy because I want 
  Declude to be able to move a message it deems spam to the spam 
  folder. If I used a copy, it would fail to do the move because the 
  file is already in the spam folder, and Declude would then pass control 
  back to Imail, which would then deliver the spam inbound.After my 
  queue went back to normal, I then set to work on my dec0207.log file to 
  determine if the entirety of the message was spam or ham based on whether 
  it was held or not (which is the simple scenario I have).I hope 
  that helps,Andrew 8)
  p.s. Another re-posting in HTML so as to 
  preserve the line breaks. Sorry for the duplication, 
  folks.
   -Original 
  Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Re: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Darin Cox



I have an idea. These problems seem to stem 
mostly from changes in the methods of handling rulebase updates.

We were lucky enough not to be affected with the 
latest rule issue, but the previous one made for a very long day 
andsomedisgruntled customers.

Would it be feasible to announce in advance when 
such changes are to be implemented? With advance notice of a date and time 
for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before that for a 
day to make sure the kinks were worked out before updating. A few spam 
messages that slip through are better than a slough of false positives that 
require review and are delayed in reaching the customer.

Thoughts?
Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Harry Vanderzand 

To: sniffer@SortMonster.com 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:02 AM
Subject: [sniffer] problems

With the recent issues at sniffer it has caused tremendous 
problems with the entire client base here.

Sniffer has been so reliable for so lond and al of a sudden 
recently I cannot rely on it any more

What is going on with sniffer

Will these issues get resolved or is it going to be more 
unstable than what we have come to rely on?

I need my spam trap software to work without spend hours 
everyday and without getting a large group of my customers questioning the 
reliability of what I am doing.

Hope there will be some indication of 
improvement.

The following is my sniffer code

SNIFFERexternal nonzero 
"D:\IMail\Declude\sniffer\umzqbs4l.exe dky4t444qqpk69j6" 10 0

Should 
I be doing something different?

This 
has worked very well for a year now.
Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  Computer Services 519-741-1222


  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, 
  AndrewSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 PMTo: 
  sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] Bad Rule - 
  828931
  
  Goran, this is pretty much what I did to get 
  to re-queuing:gawk "$0 ~ /Final\t828931/ 
  {print substr($3,2,16)}" gxamq2kt.log.20060207* 
  msgids.txtThe file msgids.txt will now contain just the 
  GUID part of the D[guid].SMD from column 3 in the tab delimited Message 
  Sniffer log files.I then used a batch file I had previously created 
  called qm.cmd (for queue and move). Note that the folders I specify are 
  for Declude 1.x, which has an overflow folder. I use the overflow folder 
  so that Declude will re-analyze the message:Rem this is the qm.cmd file listingmove 
  d:\imail\spool\spam\d%1.smd u:\imail\spool\ nulmove 
  d:\imail\spool\spam\q%1.smd u:\imail\spool\overflow\ nulI 
  then issued from the command line:for /F %i in (msgids.txt) do @qm.cmd 
  %iThat takes of re-queuing all the held messages. I am using a 
  move instead of a copy because I want Declude to be able to move a message it 
  deems spam to the spam folder. If I used a copy, it would fail to do the 
  move because the file is already in the spam folder, and Declude would then 
  pass control back to Imail, which would then deliver the spam 
  inbound.After my queue went back to normal, I then set to work on my 
  dec0207.log file to determine if the entirety of the message was spam or ham 
  based on whether it was held or not (which is the simple scenario I 
  have).I hope that helps,Andrew 8)
  p.s. Another re-posting in HTML so as to 
  preserve the line breaks. Sorry for the duplication, 
  folks.
   -Original 
  Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf 
  Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:39 PM 
  To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] Bad Rule - 
  828931 I just ran the grep command on my log and I got 850 
  hits. Now is there a way to take the output of the grep 
  command and use it pull out the total weight of corresponding 
  message from the declude log file, or maybe the 
  subject? Goran Jovanovic Omega Network 
  Solutions  -Original 
  Message-  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
   On Behalf Of David Sullivan  Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 
  7:47 PM  To: Landry, William (MED US)  Subject: Re[4]: 
  [sniffer] Bad Rule - 828931   Hello William, 
Tuesday, February 7, 2006, 7:39:05 PM, you wrote: 
LWMU grep -c "Final.*828931" 
  c:\imail\declude\sniffer\logfile.log   That's what I 
  tried. Just figured out I forgot to capitalize the "F".  
  It works.   Confirmed - 22,055  
   I'm writing a program now to parse the sniffer log file, extract 
  the  file ID, lookup the id in sql server, determine 
  quarantine location,  extract q/d pair from quarantine and 
  send to user.   --  Best regards, 
   
  David 
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RE: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Markus Gufler



If I understand right you mean that if "experimental" rules 
are introduced you want to know about and so temporaly disable ruelbase updates 
on you server.

As I know Sniffer has a much smarter way for doing this. 
They introduce experimental rules in a separate category (sniffer-exp) and look 
how they will work. In fact I can see that this category is the least reliable. 
So I've set a relative low weight for this exit code. 

If a experimental rule showed to be reliable they move them 
in the appropriate category (rich, fraud,...)

I'm not sure about this but I think it's so and so it 
shouldn't be necessary to do something like manualy block 
updates.

Markus



  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darin 
  CoxSent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 4:59 PMTo: 
  sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: Re: [sniffer] 
  problems
  
  I have an idea. These problems seem to stem 
  mostly from changes in the methods of handling rulebase updates.
  
  We were lucky enough not to be affected with the 
  latest rule issue, but the previous one made for a very long day 
  andsomedisgruntled customers.
  
  Would it be feasible to announce in advance when 
  such changes are to be implemented? With advance notice of a date and 
  time for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before that 
  for a day to make sure the kinks were worked out before updating. A few 
  spam messages that slip through are better than a slough of false positives 
  that require review and are delayed in reaching the customer.
  
  Thoughts?
  Darin.
  
  
  - Original Message - 
  From: Harry Vanderzand 
  
  To: sniffer@SortMonster.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 10:02 AM
  Subject: [sniffer] problems
  
  With the recent issues at sniffer it has caused 
  tremendous problems with the entire client base here.
  
  Sniffer has been so reliable for so lond and al of a 
  sudden recently I cannot rely on it any more
  
  What is going on with sniffer
  
  Will these issues get resolved or is it going to be more 
  unstable than what we have come to rely on?
  
  I need my spam trap software to work without spend hours 
  everyday and without getting a large group of my customers questioning 
  the reliability of what I am doing.
  
  Hope there will be some indication of 
  improvement.
  
  The following is my sniffer code
  
  SNIFFERexternal nonzero 
  "D:\IMail\Declude\sniffer\umzqbs4l.exe dky4t444qqpk69j6" 10 0
  
  Should I be doing something different?
  
  This 
  has worked very well for a year now.
  Harry Vanderzand inTown Internet  Computer Services 519-741-1222
  
  


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colbeck, 
AndrewSent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 9:42 PMTo: 
sniffer@SortMonster.comSubject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] Bad Rule - 
828931

Goran, this is pretty much what I did to 
get to re-queuing:gawk "$0 ~ 
/Final\t828931/ {print substr($3,2,16)}" gxamq2kt.log.20060207* 
msgids.txtThe file msgids.txt will now contain just the 
GUID part of the D[guid].SMD from column 3 in the tab delimited Message 
Sniffer log files.I then used a batch file I had previously created 
called qm.cmd (for queue and move). Note that the folders I specify 
are for Declude 1.x, which has an overflow folder. I use the overflow 
folder so that Declude will re-analyze the message:Rem this is the qm.cmd file listingmove 
d:\imail\spool\spam\d%1.smd u:\imail\spool\ nulmove 
d:\imail\spool\spam\q%1.smd u:\imail\spool\overflow\ nulI 
then issued from the command line:for /F %i in (msgids.txt) do 
@qm.cmd %iThat takes of re-queuing all the held messages. I am 
using a move instead of a copy because I want Declude to be able to move a 
message it deems spam to the spam folder. If I used a copy, it would 
fail to do the move because the file is already in the spam folder, and 
Declude would then pass control back to Imail, which would then deliver the 
spam inbound.After my queue went back to normal, I then set to work 
on my dec0207.log file to determine if the entirety of the message was spam 
or ham based on whether it was held or not (which is the simple scenario I 
have).I hope that helps,Andrew 8)
p.s. Another re-posting in HTML so as to 
preserve the line breaks. Sorry for the duplication, 
folks.
 -Original 
Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 
Behalf Of Goran Jovanovic Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2006 5:39 
PM To: sniffer@SortMonster.com Subject: RE: Re[4]: [sniffer] 
Bad Rule - 828931 I just ran the grep command on my log and 
I got 850 hits. Now is there a way to take the output of the 
grep command and use it pull out the total weight of corresponding 
message from the declude log file, or maybe the 
subject?

Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 10:59:09 AM, Darin wrote:

DC I have an idea.  These problems seem to stem  mostly from changes
DC in the methods of handling rulebase updates.

snip/

DC Would it be feasible to announce in advance when  such changes
DC are to be implemented?  With advance notice of a date and time 
DC for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before
DC that for a  day to make sure the kinks were worked out before
DC updating.  A few spam  messages that slip through are better than
DC a slough of false positives that  require review and are delayed in 
reaching the customer.

That's a good idea, and we do, in fact, follow that procedure.
Whenever we make any large scale changes we always announce them here
on this list,... we usually also put them on our web site.

There is an error in your comment however... the previous event (with
the rule-bots) was completely unforeseeable. There was no way to
announce that known good software would suddenly fail so spectacularly
when no changes within our control were made.

Thankfully, that kind of event is extremely unlikely also.

It is unfortunate that these two events would happen so closely
together.

_M



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Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Darin Cox
There was no error in my comment.  I completely understand that some issues
will not be foreseeable... I did say mostly, not entirely.  The switch to
the automated bots caused a rash of false positives in our system.  I'm not
pointing fingers, but instead want to make sure I have the ability to decide
what risks to take on my end.  While mistakes are always possible... we are
human after all... the more controls we have available to minimize possible
impact, the better.

What I would be looking for is an announcement of a specific date/time for a
cutover so we could freeze just before that, and unfreeze once it was clear
that no glut of false positives would result.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Darin Cox sniffer@SortMonster.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:13 AM
Subject: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems


On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 10:59:09 AM, Darin wrote:

DC I have an idea. These problems seem to stem  mostly from changes
DC in the methods of handling rulebase updates.

snip/

DC Would it be feasible to announce in advance when  such changes
DC are to be implemented? With advance notice of a date and time
DC for the switch we could choose to freeze our rulebases just before
DC that for a  day to make sure the kinks were worked out before
DC updating. A few spam  messages that slip through are better than
DC a slough of false positives that  require review and are delayed in
reaching the customer.

That's a good idea, and we do, in fact, follow that procedure.
Whenever we make any large scale changes we always announce them here
on this list,... we usually also put them on our web site.

There is an error in your comment however... the previous event (with
the rule-bots) was completely unforeseeable. There was no way to
announce that known good software would suddenly fail so spectacularly
when no changes within our control were made.

Thankfully, that kind of event is extremely unlikely also.

It is unfortunate that these two events would happen so closely
together.

_M



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Re: Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Filippo Palmili


What is the correct Sniffer string in Declude Global.cfg
file.
SNIFFER external nonzero d:\imail\declude\sniffer\sniffer.exe
code12
0
of
SNIFFER external nonzero d:\imail\declude\sniffer\sniffer.exe
code10
0
Thanks
Filippo



Re[2]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:06:07 AM, Markus wrote:

MG If a experimental rule showed to be reliable they move them  in
MG the appropriate category (rich, fraud,...)
MG  
MG  
MG  
MG I'm not sure about this but I think it's so and so it  shouldn't
MG be necessary to do something like manualy block  updates.

This is not how it works.

Experimental rule groups contain abstract rules that may not
classify a particular type of message. Indeed, even rules that are
coded to more specific groups will likely match messages that are
outside of those categories because the blackhats frequently re-use
domains and other features in many different campaigns.

For example, the current chatty drugs, chatty loans, and chatty
watches campaigns all tend to share the same domains in their links.

Along the lines of delaying implementation of new rules, we can
configure rulebases and rule groups within them to only accept rules
with a specific minimum age in days. We might have to charge for this
kind of custom modification, and it would by it's nature increase spam
leakage.

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Re: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:19:52 AM, Andy wrote:

AS Pete,

AS The only idea I came up with, would be to have ALL new rules go into a 6
AS hour proving category (=return code) before they are moved into their
AS final category.

AS By using Sniffer return codes, folks could decide to trust the established
AS rules and decide to cross-check any new rules by weighing them against
AS other sources/methods.

This is not something we could do without a lot of work.

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Re[4]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:26:46 AM, Darin wrote:

DC There was no error in my comment.  I completely understand that some issues
DC will not be foreseeable... I did say mostly, not entirely.  The switch to
DC the automated bots caused a rash of false positives in our system.

snip/

Actually, there is the error I was talking about -- (I'm not pointing
fingers either, just trying to set the record straight.)

The automated bots had been online and part of the system for several
years when the error occurred. There was no cut-over to announce.

DC What I would be looking for is an announcement of a specific date/time for a
DC cutover so we could freeze just before that, and unfreeze once it was clear
DC that no glut of false positives would result.

I completely agree, and that is our policy. Before we turn on anything
important, we will announce it, as we have in the past. Even if for no
other reason than we want you to know we've done something cool... but
certainly so that we can have everyone aware and watching out for any
un-expected results (good or bad).

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Re: Re[4]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Darin Cox
Perhaps I used the wrong terminology about what changed, since I do not know
what your system architecture is, but I remember you mentioning a
significant change at the time.  Immediately afterwards we saw a rash of
false positives.  That is what I would like to have controls in place to
avoid.

Darin.


- Original Message - 
From: Pete McNeil [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Darin Cox sniffer@SortMonster.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 11:46 AM
Subject: Re[4]: [sniffer] problems


On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:26:46 AM, Darin wrote:

DC There was no error in my comment.  I completely understand that some
issues
DC will not be foreseeable... I did say mostly, not entirely.  The switch
to
DC the automated bots caused a rash of false positives in our system.

snip/

Actually, there is the error I was talking about -- (I'm not pointing
fingers either, just trying to set the record straight.)

The automated bots had been online and part of the system for several
years when the error occurred. There was no cut-over to announce.

DC What I would be looking for is an announcement of a specific date/time
for a
DC cutover so we could freeze just before that, and unfreeze once it was
clear
DC that no glut of false positives would result.

I completely agree, and that is our policy. Before we turn on anything
important, we will announce it, as we have in the past. Even if for no
other reason than we want you to know we've done something cool... but
certainly so that we can have everyone aware and watching out for any
un-expected results (good or bad).

_M



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Re[6]: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread Pete McNeil
On Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 12:34:44 PM, Darin wrote:

DC Perhaps I used the wrong terminology about what changed, since I do not know
DC what your system architecture is, but I remember you mentioning a
DC significant change at the time.  Immediately afterwards we saw a rash of
DC false positives.  That is what I would like to have controls in place to
DC avoid.

I see.

We did make a number of changes to optimize the rulebase and improve
delivery. These changes were announced and are unrelated to the
problem we had with the 'bots. The changes are still in place, in
fact, and working well.

Thanks,

_M



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Re: [sniffer] problems!!!!

2006-02-08 Thread David Sullivan
Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 11:19:52 AM, you wrote:

AS The only idea I came up with, would be to have ALL new rules go into a 6
AS hour proving category (=return code) before they are moved into their
AS final category.

AS By using Sniffer return codes, folks could decide to trust the established
AS rules and decide to cross-check any new rules by weighing them against
AS other sources/methods.

That's a pretty good idea. New rules in a category we could assign
lower weight to and once the rule was proved not to be problematic, it
could automatically fall into its normal category.

My results:

22,055 reprocessed
1,578 spam
20,477 release

I expect about 30% of the released were spam but they came clean
through sniffer.

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[sniffer] Problems downloading Windows tools / starter scripts

2004-09-17 Thread Steve Flook
I am having problems downloading the starter scripts to automate updates
for the rule base file detailed at
http://www.sortmonster.com/MessageSniffer/Help/AutomatingUpdatesHelp.htm
l.  There are two sources to get the zip, both of which I am having
issues:

http://www.sortmonster.net/Sniffer/Updates/WindowsTools.zip (prompted
for basic authentication - I'm not aware of an account to use)

ftp://ftp.sortmonster.net/Sniffer/Updates/WindowsTools.zip (anonymous
access denied)

Is there another link, or are there temporary issues?

Thanks,
Steve

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Re: [sniffer] Problems downloading Windows tools / starter scripts

2004-09-17 Thread Pete McNeil
On Friday, September 17, 2004, 12:42:26 PM, Steve wrote:

SF I am having problems downloading the starter scripts to automate updates

Responded off list.
_M




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