[RCSE] Mid-Am OVSS #7

[Marc Gellart]

Hey guys, with one of the last gasps of RCSE, want to remind everyone about the 
Mid Am that is being held at the Kentucky Horse Park on September 67.  They 
are flying seeded MOM, a first for BSS at the Mid Am, and we need to support 
their efforts.  The KHP has lots of things going on every weekend and thisone 
is not any different, there is a museum, horse show going on and other 
activities, so Mom and kids do not have to watch sailplanes all day.

I know they have an RCGroup listing under events and you can go to 
www.kentuckyhorsepark.com to see what is going on.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] In Memory of RCSE

[Marc Gellart]

Well Mike, this is not a surprise in my book, but RCSE has been a great web 
cornerstone for a lot of years for RC soaring.  I will admit that I spend a 
fair amount of time on RCGroups, and the pics and all are great.  There is a 
lot of gobbledygook there just like there has been the same here, I guess it is 
just the web and the fact that folks can say about anything and they do, like 
some of our favorite filers have done here.  To those that supplied RCSE to us 
and as in your case oversaw it's activities and maintenance, Thank You and Joe 
very much!

Marc
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[RCSE] X9303 Service Bulletin Is Live

[Marc Gellart]

Here is the link if it comes through...
  

http://www.jrradios.com/Articles/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1822 

 
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[RCSE] OVSS Scores Posted

[Marc Gellart]

OVSS scores including Chicago have been posted 
  
http://mvsaclub.com/mvsa/ovss/ovss08.htm 
  
Thanks to Glauco and Chriss for updating the OVSS information.

See everyone at the Nats!

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] F3J worlds.. Who do you want to win????

[Marc Gellart]

Dam I'm an idiot

I think you pretty well hit it on the the head Craig, I could think of some 
other thoughts too.

Happy 4th of July to all!

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[RCSE] 2008 OVSS Scores

[Marc Gellart]

The scores for the first OVSS contest in Cinci are up, and MVSA (Chris Lee and 
Glauco Laugo) is being goods guys for posting n their site.  The website we had 
going has disappeared including the guy who ran it, not sure what happened.  
Save this in your favorites and keep up all year.  
  
http://mvsaclub.com/mvsa/ovss/ovss08.htm 
  
In two weeks we are in Ft. Wayne for the Bob Steel Memorial at the State School 
field, see ya there.

Marc

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Fwd: [RCSE] Istanbul F3J EuroTour Event

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Ben, everyone is making over your appearance on History Channel, but you 
made and interesting comment,

Under Larry's guidance and coaching, the Turkish Team is flying very well.

What is up about this, is Larry now part of Turkish F3J management or what?

Marc
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[RCSE] I Had Not Seen That Info Larry

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Larry, had not seen that info on Groups, just was taken a bit by surprise.

Marc
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[RCSE] Talk about low passes!

[Marc Gellart]

LOTS of energy on this slope. 

For those that cannot get a heartbeat from this, you are dead.  The scenes are 
spectacular, and for the rule writers, I am sure you will be all bent out of 
shape  I would guess you could find some rule that is being broken I am sure.

Great stuff courtesy of Jim Porter!

I think I'd be filming from behind the pile of rocks though. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QT7SM8a55Ifeature=related   
Segelfliegen/Gliding-Überflüge-Frankreich 2007      Vinon, France 
  


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[RCSE] 2008 Nats Pages

[Marc Gellart]

Folks, 

The LSF website has the 2008 Nats pages are updated including frequenies 
allocated to certain events and the locations of each event.  If you have any 
questions, please contact me, Tom Kallevang, or Mike Stump.

http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2008/Nats2008.html 

Thanks! 


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[RCSE] Fwd: Corrected Link - 2008 OVSS Schedule-Sponsored by JR Radio

[Marc Gellart]

Am not sure that this made it to the exchange, but this is the link for the 
schedule thanks to Gordy.

http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=82highlight=ovss+schedule 
  


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[RCSE] 2008 OVSS Schedule-Sponsored by JR Radio

[Marc Gellart]

The 2008 OVSS schedule is up on RC Groups, pretty much getting to be news 
central for RC soaring.

Go to www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?+=82

Schedule has a nice spread of contests and time between each event, hope even 
more fliers can make it.

Marc Gellart

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[RCSE] Tom Kiesling

[Marc Gellart]

Tom, need to contact, Marc
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[RCSE] Thomas Cooke

[Marc Gellart]

Tom,
Please ping me privately please.

Marc
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[RCSE] BBMF 50th Anniversary Flight

[Marc Gellart]

The Battle of Britain Memorial Flight 50th Anniversary flight.
 
If the mass formation fly-by doesn't give you goosebumps, well you must be a 
jet guy!  

http://www.airshowbuzz.com/videos/view.php?v=6fdfd0a0

A very cool video boys, makes your heart pound proud!

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Re: [RCSE] 08 Masters

[Marc Gellart]

I think it will be a while Dennis.
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Re: [RCSE] 08 Masters

[Marc Gellart]

Dennis, 
The website says May 1, 2006 actually, the site is still active.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Contest Format

[Marc Gellart]

Well Tim, you just lost me with your last comments.  I guess the home town 
crowd has gotten soft in Texas (was raised in Arlington). Here in OVSS land you 
live and die to get the low save, downwind escape, faint read that no one else 
gets.  We are flying 6 to 7 rounds a day of 10-13 minute flights at  most of 
our contests, so we fly alot, and the guy who gets that fantastic flight is 
held up as the hero, not the zero.  With our seeding, it is like watching golf, 
the last group is the big boys and literally, everyone watches and enjoys the 
battle.  I wish we could seed out the Nats, but just too big to make the time 
work.

This sounds way to politically correct for me, we do not fly outcome based 
soaring here.  Your heart is in the right place for club events, but please do 
not do this at TNT when I finally get to come back.

Marc ---BeginMessage---


Jim Bacus wrote:

 Shafting the other fellow competitors by completing the task
 time?  Unethical?  ;-)

 I see it as maximizing my available flying time during a contest
 event, and playing by the rules of the contest attempting to
 maximize my score.


Jim makes a valid point while at the same time highlighting one of the
weaknesses of seeded MOM as currently practiced. The format creates a
structure that encourages or even requires what would seem to some as
unsportsmanlike behavior which belittles and demeans the unsuccessful
competitor. The rules encourage exploiting any opportunity to bury someone
who has a bad flight by putting on a show of being the only one flying for
as long as possible while everyone stands and watches. This kind of
structure is unnecessary and disproportionately rewards the single episode
of good luck or heroic effort as opposed to consistent superior performance
round after round. There can be no greater turn off in competition than
being shafted or buried. While it may be fun for one guy, it is at the
expense of everyone else. If playing by the rules makes the competition a
turnoff to many, maybe better rules can correct this. This is an issue of
the design of the contest format which my earlier idea seeks to address.

By assigning scores that are limited on the low side, a competitor is not
able to lose or win the whole contest in one round and there is no need nor
opportunity to bury or shaft anybody. I think this is a better way to
structure a contest if you want to insure all competitors have a good time
and encourage participation while not artificially limiting the performance
of any competitor.

I guess a key objective I left out was:

Respect for the dignity of all participants.

I also think ...maximizing available flying time during a contest... is
better done by increasing the pace of the event so more rounds can be flown.

Tim Bennett
LSF IV

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Re: [RCSE] re:contest launch equipment vs large models

[Marc Gellart]

I guess John, why sould there be a deduct if I still make my time with a lower 
launch cause the WL gave?

WL's seem like a great idea, but have proved over time to not really work, I 
would rather see us go to 200 pound line.

marc
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[RCSE] Launch Limiting

[Marc Gellart]

From what I have seen in this thread, the two real simple, straight forward 
suggesions seem to be, lower capacity batteries like used in B, and lighter 
line, like 200# (which the Dayton club already uses and it works just fine for 
them except they have a great grass field and and no humps in it).

Personnally I just hate downwind launches (my problem huh?) and tension 
limiters sound worse than retrievers to keep working correctly.  I am really 
interested to hear how SWC goes to see how Rick's resistor set up works, that 
might work just fine.

I've had my arse chewed on privitaly about somethings here, heh, these are just 
ideas, right?  Still wished we all had the B winches though, then there is no 
problem.

Marc

Have a great Christmas, and holiday with your families!
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Re: [RCSE] Line breakage and launching and costest management - was Icon 2

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Tony E., you are wrong about the largest ship to win the Nats.  It was DP 
with his Insanity, 3.7M.

And for the record, the line used at the Nats is 290# line from MT.

Marc
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[RCSE] Use of FAI Winches

[Marc Gellart]

After all this, this to me is just another reason to use FAI winches and thus 
it would encourage FAI participation and encourge a bit of uniformity.  Also, 
they could just change F3J over to it too.  

But none of this will probably happen since we are basically cheap and FAI sure 
won't change anything that the USA has come up with, right Joe?

I do like the resistor idea too, something reasonable to accomplish, that is 
one to think about.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Still Looking for a Sharon

[Marc Gellart]

I wish someone would sell you something Mike.  I am tired of you trying to buy 
back to a Sharon after you sold yours and Joe who must have enough stuff to 
sell that he will keep going for months ;.)

Just had to say it guys, you two have nearly been the entire show lately.  Way 
too much snow here today and tomoorow, watching RCSE way too much.

Have a good holiday gents!
Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters 2008

[Marc Gellart]

Maybe distance and speed could be an evening task set?  Oh, that sounds fun!

Looking forward to a great soaring contest in September.  I am sure that some 
will view this as just some east coast contest too, eh Chris?

Proud of the great soaring events held in the Ohio Valley!

Marc
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[RCSE] OVSS Club Contacts

[Marc Gellart]

Guys, come back with email for me concerning calendar for 2008.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] MOM

[Marc Gellart]

Lee,
You need to contact pat Crosby in Chicago, he has a window based program that 
even allows a pilots pic to be on his score card.  Really slick and way better 
than any data base system.  He can stay ahead of a contest so that after the 
big boys fly, the special needs group is ready to go, after the first round has 
seeded everything out, and that is the secret of keeping a SMOM contest going, 
no standing around waiting.

Marc
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[RCSE] Re: Vandal Full house with Rads....1K, DLG or maybe its actually

[Marc Gellart]

Wrong Gordy, there is a DLG Vandal, check out RCG and find out.  There are pics.

Marc
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[RCSE] Price of DLG's

[Marc Gellart]

On RCGroups tonight I saw something that I thought I would never see for sale, 
a $1K DLG, it is a Vandal fullhouse ship with RADS.  Be the first to admit that 
I have spent my fair share on ships, but a DLG for $1000?  That environment is 
way too tough on airframes for me to toss that amount up into the crowded HLG 
skies.  Hell, it is too tough for $150 ships.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much

[Marc Gellart]

The scarey part is that George Voss has the high bid at 107 bucks, that cheap 
guy is even worse than me, I would at least bid $110

Marc

-Original Message-
From: John Roe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Nov 16, 2006 12:35 PM
To: Soaring@airage.com, Tom Broeski tom@inventorforhire.com
Subject: Re: [RCSE] I have scale planes that cost as much

Here's a bunch of deals:

http://www.wingsandwheels.com/wantads1.htm

something for every budget...

john roe ZR
www.roenation.com

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[RCSE] Hornet Spinout

[Marc Gellart]

Sent to me by Mark Nankavil, pretty exciting ride I would have guessed.
Here's the link on the Super Hornet spin out - pretty cool!http://www.fencecheck.com
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[RCSE] Thank You JR Radio and SoaringUSA From OVSS

[Marc Gellart]

As one who reaped the benefits of the support of JR Radio as the Master Class 
winner of OVSS, along with Pat Crosby the Sportsman winner in 2006, many thanks 
to Peter Goldsmith and John Diniz for the great support of soaring they have 
given.  Also, to Bob at SoaringUSA for the support of our Rookie Award winner 
Ben Wilson.  On top of Ben being a capable flier, he is one of our best 
newscasters of what goes on in soaring.  Ben wins a 25% off certificate from 
Soaring USA.  

We thank all who flew in OVSS this year and to all who put on contests in the 
Series, also, Glauco Laugo for faithfully scoring.  The Fall Round Up was a 
great success and it was great to have folks from six states there for the 
great weather and fun.

Marc Gellart
OVSS Coordiantor
2007 Soaring Nationals Event Director
LSF LV #121


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Re: [RCSE] WSM - What You Need To Know

[Marc Gellart]

Dyslexia has only one cure on the flying field, a cranial-anal retraction 
dutifully done by John Diniz.  That goes down in my top ten of dumb stunts.  
Thank goodness it did not effect another flier.  

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] WSM

[Marc Gellart]

One addendum I have to add to my report of last night.  I left out two names 
that came to mind this AM I had left out, one, our CD and very good friend Mark 
Nankavil who we are all glad is back in the fold, and Arend Borst, I had never 
met Arend before, and he is a class act, and heh, he is a fly fisherman to 
boot, what a guy!

Thanks to guys who called for me and John Diniz to pulling me out of my cranial 
anal impaction at the start.

Marc
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[RCSE] Soaring Masters-Wew!

[Marc Gellart]

What a three days of flying this was, if you blew it off and did not come out 
you missed the toughest contest I have ever seen.  Conditions ranged from just 
plain ugly, to beautiful, to some mix in between.  As the good press agent Ben 
Wilson has portrayed, just being there to watch the finals was something.  Yep, 
George, there was at least 6.5 minutes between Mike and Arrend in the six 
finals rounds, maybe more, that was probably one flight.  the first two rounds 
were fairly close, but from there on the carnage started.  This part of the 
contest was old home week for OVSS guys and it can be a spectator sport when 
you have the caliber of folks out there that we had in the finals.  I was an 
official timer in the finals so got to watch it close and personnal.  

We owe a debt of thanks to Peter Goldsmith of JR Radio for having the 
inspiration and guys like Jim mcCarthy, Tom Kallevang, Lee Esenjoy, Barry 
Kennedy, Paul Naton (ask someone that was there about DVD's, they have an 
entire new meaning now), Joe Dirr the cook,  Marna and Larry Jefferies, Robin 
and Ruth Meeks, Don Smith, the folks of RCSD, Horizon Hobby, Harry DeBoar, 
Carolyn Goldsmith, Jodi of Team JR, and others I forgot.

Personnally, I had a good contest, but had a major brain fart at the start and 
had a 0 round to start (all I will say is do not have dyslexia with a dial up 
module, nuff said, and do not have a Futaba guy check it), from there I was 
average but got better as things went on and three 1000 rounds and a couple of 
near ones.  Best flight of the whole thing was trying to out do a Supra, Mike 
Reagan's, at about 100' vs 150' respectivley working multiple impulses with a 
ballasted Tragi 705.  Made it for a while but no matter how much I worked I 
could not make up the difference.  Finally had to call it quits and come in to 
a 76/80 landing and watch him for another 2 1/2 minutes.  Bill Malvey told me 
that thumping sound was Reagan grinding me into the ground, but I held my own 
for second in the group.  Finshed 28th and started in 70th after the first 
round.

I had a blast, first cigar in 27 years, found out Red Bull Margaritas are 
really good, even ate Sushi one night, a first.  Met lots of guys I had 
corresponded with over the years but never had a face, Joe Nave, Lex Mirope, 
Randy McCleave, Gene Trevino, and got to see many friends I had not seen for a 
while, Mark Smith, Rusty, Bill Malvey (the futaba guy), John Erickson, Mike 
Lee, David Hobby, et. al.  Had a great time and will be ready again when times 
come for the next!

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] LSF Discussion update # CAL P. ##

[Marc Gellart]

Wrong Pepper, Don Harris has done it three times, and mostly with either wood or bagged ships. He is working on it again, that what happens when you retire.

Marc
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In a message dated 9/14/2006 4:24:45 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I believe Cal Posthuma has achieved Level V TWICE with a hand-built wood airplane

He's probably 'one of one' that has done that ...

Too many people are forgetting the beginnings of this sport and believe that 'newer is better' ... in some cases, that's correct ... in others, not so !! ...

Pepper
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[RCSE] Oh What A Ride, Extra 300 That Is

[Marc Gellart]

For the purests that are discussing the LSF right now, sorry, I have to write 
about this.  For the rest of us that are bored stiff, something to read.

I work for a company that sells a lot of Klein Tools, like we are the 
second/third largest distributors in the U.S.  Well, if you have not seen it, 
KT sponsors a gentleman by the name of Michael Mancuso, who lives on Long 
Island and flies an Extra 300 at events and many of the IRL races the KT's also 
has a large vested interest in.  You can find info on Mike at www.mmairshow.com 
and you can see the ship there.  

Well last fall, my two direct bosses got to take about 15 minute rides each in 
the ship in SC and had a great time, they new I was very jealous.  There time 
frame was short so there was no way I could get there.  Well, our KT rep said 
that if I was going to be where Mike was this summer sometime, to let him know 
and he would see what he could do to get me a ride.  Well, the SOAR guys Fred 
contest was the same weekend as the IRL race in Joliet IL and I checked to see 
if I could go.  Well, after about a month of waiting, the Tuesday before the 
Fred, the call came to meet Mike at Joliet Airport on Friday at 1:00.  I was 
there at 11:00 to make sure.

About 12:15 he overflew the field and then made the approach and landed, I met 
them on the ramp at shutdown, his first words were, You're not ready or 
anything are you ?  Well, duh!  Well, we shot the stuff for a while talking 
about my flying background, RC soaring, and my father.  A young man was with 
him and he asked Mike if he wanted the stick out of the front seat, he said no 
and I knew this was shaping up real well.  We took off to the east, and he 
said, do you know where your field is that you are flying at, I said sure and 
he said take it and take us there.  The contest was to be held west of 
Plainfield IL so we moved to PLF and then west and in nothing flat were over 
the field.  Well, there were a few cars down there and I could see a winch and 
a ship or two on the ground, nothing in the air.  I said this was the place and 
he said are you ready for some stuff, of course I said.  There is no formal 
aerobatic box in the area and Mike said this was as good a place as any.

Well, off we went, four point roll, immelemens, loops, full roll rate rolls, 
eight points, tail slides, snaps, 6G pulls all with the smoke on.  My guts were 
going everywhere, but holding together.  After what seemed like a lot of stuff, 
he told me to take it back and catch my breath, then he let me do a roll, and 
full rudder turn.  Compared to the pitch and roll axis, the yaw axis took a lot 
of umph, the other two, you could breath that way and it was going there.  The 
ship flies very nice and is not twitchy per se, but it definately has major 
authority in power and pitch and roll.  After about 30 minutes of flying, he 
told to head back to Joliet and I figured he would take the ship somewhere 
along the way.  We kept on going, I asked if he wanted a me to set up on a left 
down wind, it was an afirmative and to get to 1700' indicated pattern altitude. 
 So I kept on trucking and when we had passed the end of the active and nothing 
was said, I went ahead and started a turn to base and final.  About 2/3 of the 
way around Mike comes on a says to start feeding in some right rudder, for a 
slip ( a pretty major one by my experiences) and he told to me maintain 90 
indicated on final approach.  At this point I am still thinking he is going to 
take the ship finally, I have never even been close to landing a tail dragger 
in my life, much less land anything in years.  We keep on going and at about 
50' he tells to let off the rudder and start a flair and we preoceeded to make 
a full stall landing touching down on the tail whell first.  Mike took it back 
when he applied the brakes an that was the end of my ride.

We pulled up to the ops building and shut down, standing up and stepping off 
the ship was the only time I felt like I could have blown the load, but I just 
took my time and we all proceeded to the building.  It took about 5-6 hours to 
feel somewhat normal again, when you are not in shape for it, aero hurts a bit. 
 We talked for a while more and then they took off for University Airport in 
Boling Brook where they were hangered for the weekend.

After they left, I went out to the field to see if the guys were still there, 
you get a recording of the flight on DVD, but something like this is way better 
if your buds see it.  Rich and Pat were there and I asked if anything cool had 
happened, Oh nothing much and said really, and then Rich saw me smile and he 
said that was you wasn't and I said yes.  He said there was no way that someone 
that did not know about them would have done that right over their heads, and I 
said I wanted to let them in on my fun.

Mike asked me if I had always wanted a ride in a 300 and I said honestly, NO.  
But I said the ride in the F-16 was probably not going 

Re: [RCSE] Starting to get it, and a few questions...

[Marc Gellart]

Ben, 
Your Cheap Battery Pack info is right on, but one thing you have stated I would 
take note of.  I do not hardly know of anyone that does not fast charge their 
batteries, most at the field.  I use a Sirius(both charger and cycler) for 
everything, and others use other products, but fast charging is reliable and 
actually a much more precise charge than the old wall charger you get with your 
system.  Not sure what you are using, but get a good fast charger and you will 
be fine.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] thats my girl

[Marc Gellart]

But is she bringing you to Chicago for the Fred???
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sep 7, 2006 2:57 PM To: RCSE Subject: [RCSE] thats my girl 


got a email (below) from my significant other today from her work.
god bless her!
or maybe god blessed me. :-)
i guess i'll go shoot some landings to keep her happy. :-)
dh

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wanna get out for a walkthis evening ?  orgo to the airport and shoot few landings or something ?Donna UnruhAccounts PayableProblem Resolution PRMS Maytag
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[RCSE] Nebulus Flying Videos

[Marc Gellart]

Just to lighten the mood a bit, was at www.youtube.com last evening looking at 
a video of a 3D ship flying and kind of started watching some other flying 
stuff.  Wow, there is some cool stuff there.  Three personal favorites:

Goodbye Hero-F-14 driver I think that is expousing his displeasure at the 
demise of the F-14 for of all things a tanker (FA-18E and so on), great take 
off at Key West.

I Won't Flinch-take one British kid in the sand, and a buddy with a camera and 
add an AV-8B really low...

What I Will Be in 4 years-Another Brit that is about to start flight school 
found some really neat French film, flying a Mirage and two Jaguars, at 
ridiculously low altittude near the beach and shipping, great music too.

Sorry that I did not get the URL's but long and I figured you could go there 
and do a quick search.

Marc
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[RCSE] Would You Believe a Jet Hit a Sailplane and Everyone Lived?

[Marc Gellart]

Well, yes.  Go to the Soar Minden or Hanggliding.Org and look it up.

Guess the Hawker was letting down for Reno over Carson City NV nearly had a 
head on with an ASW 27? at about 16K AGL.  Hawker is owned by NetJet which a 
relation flies for.  When you see the pics, it is a mild miracle that all 
involved walked away pretty unscathed.  Sailplane pilot is a Japanese 
gentleman, who managed a clean parachute ride actually walked out of the 
wilderness to find some authorities looking for him.  The Captain of the Hawker 
was injured by debris that hit her face, but all others on the jet were unhurt.

The pics seem to show that the sailplane hit the radome of the Hawker with a 
wing, as the spar is still in the jet's forward fuse.  It actually partially 
caved in the instrument panel and that is what injured the Capt.  The right 
wing of the jet was also abused at the root and it jammed the gears and the jet 
made a belly landing in Carson City.  I would guess that the sailplanes right 
wing did the dirty work.  The 27 pilot said he never saw the jet till impact.

I am guessing that the sailplane and the jet were nearly feet away from a 
direct head on collision, and that would have killed a bunch of folks.  Neat 
reading and lots of pics around.

Marc
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[RCSE] Josh Glaab Ping Me

[Marc Gellart]

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Supra ? Who couples flaps to ailerons?

[Marc Gellart]

Stan, I thought that everyone was using coupled A-F now a days.  Dr. Drela has 
made it pretty clear that it lowers drag and you have a lot more authority on 
less total throw, whether it is a Supra or not.

Marc


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RE: [RCSE] DARTS SUN CONTEST

[Marc Gellart]

Learned that from JB...


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Re: [RCSE] Re: damn level Vs

[Marc Gellart]

And that big plane was on the money, just wish everyday was that good with my 
thumbs.

MG

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Sent: Aug 15, 2006 8:55 AM
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Subject: Re: [RCSE] Re: damn level Vs

Must be that damn big plane.  :-)


Steve Meyer
LSF IV

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What can you say. Damn level Vs will kick your ass every time they want to.


We did six 13min rounds and Mark got them all

Jerry Shape


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[RCSE] DP or Mike Smith

[Marc Gellart]

Guys, ping me please.

Marc
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[RCSE] DARTS/OVSS #6-Dayton MOM Challenge

[Marc Gellart]

This weekend, OVSS #6 will happen at the DARTS Twin Towers Park flying site.  
MOM as has been the DARTS tradition for as long as I know, and the weather is 
looking good.  Recent National Champion Brent Douglas will be there signing 
autographs for fans, he is a humble guy, but pry one out of him.  i would geuss 
that pilot's meeting is about 9:15AM.

Marc Gellart
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[RCSE] Bob Burson

[Marc Gellart]

Bob, ping me please...

The cells are CBP-750AA

Marc
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[RCSE] OVSS Scores updated with the Nats

[Marc Gellart]

Here you 
go. New leader in the club house.

http://www.mvsaclub.com/ovss/ovss06.htm

[RCSE] Some More Thoughts on the Nats- Event Director's View

[Marc Gellart]

 really do need a Saturday to Saturday slot. 
Whatever event is hung on the first Friday is kind of hung out to dry, and 
2007 is going to be another year of potential schedule upheeval because a 
World Championship is being held during the Nats for Pylon.  We will not 
know till probably September what our dates are.  More to come here.


High gas prices, which I know effected somes judgements in deciding not to 
come.  I know there is nothing we can do directly, but it effected the 
entire Nats, not just us.  I also heard prior to the Nats of folks who were 
mad about Nostalgia not occuring and were not coming, well, in that case you 
missed a great week.  Something like tennis, fishing, or golf could not be 
near as fun as flying anything could it?


An Apology:
I owe everyone an apology for having a very divided mind during most of TD. 
As anyone knows who sells for a living, unless you are really out of 
country, you need to service your good customers, even on vacation.  My 
world went nuts about Tuesday and it detracted from my abilities to 
concentrate and do my job effectively.  The two weekes before the Nats, it 
had been pretty quiet, but the Nats week it went nuts.  I am sorry for the 
distraction and my less than stellar job at times.


I am sure that many will chew these up and spit them back at me, but oh 
well, my skin is pretty tough now.  I had a week of a life time and I thank 
the Bubbas, Jim Deck, and especially Jo Ellen for all their help with my LV 
XC flight.  The Bubbas were about to give up on me if I did not get it done 
sometime soon.


Marc Gellart
2006, and 2007, Soaring Nats Event Director
























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Re: [RCSE] Some thoughts on the Nats

[Marc Gellart]

Just a couple of comments from Chucks post.

First, the landing spot was dangerously close to the safety line.  There 
is no reason for the spot to be closer than 25 feet from the safety line.


The distance use to be more and had been shortened a number of years ago, 
three I think.  Yours was the first comment to question the safety
I heard.  I think that all week we only had two ships over and a few in the 
fence, no personnal contact happened in any case.


Second, the landing spots were not directly behind the corresponding 
winch.  This is more of a problem for me since I started using a cane to 
walk on uneven ground.  On the last round of RES, I launched from a winch 
on the left site of the tent and my landing spot was on the other side. 
Walking that far while trying to fly my model was difficult.


This set up has been the norm for years and years, at least at Muncie, and 
the first year it was a lot more of a walk.
I am not sure if there is anyway to change the orientations we have to 
change this.  The only way I can see makes more of a walk
to the winches for fliers and still the winch line and landing line will 
never be the same length to allow direct access, so someone is going to 
walk.
Also, the crew tent is there too, and those folks need the cover from the 
sun at a minimum, and that causes folks a indirect walk too.
I know in your case it is not easy, but we tried our best to cart you out 
and back to help you as much as possible.


Third, we need to allow late entry if there is an open frequency.  I know 
of at least two people who would have entered RES if they could have 
entered after they arrived for Unlimited.  I used late entry to fly in 
several Nats before I retired.  I I had no trouble getting time off to fly 
contest except when I had a test in the wind tunnel.  In 1983, I didn't 
enter because I had a long test scheduled just before the test and I 
didn't know if I would be finished in time to drive to Springfield, 
Massitutes.  At noon on Friday before the Soaring event started, I 
realized that If I worked late I could finish the final report by noon on 
Saturday.  I left Tullahoma at noon on Saturday and drove to Springfield 
arriving just before the 4 PM Sunday late entry deadline.  Flying started 
the next morning and I was able to enter 2-meter, Standard, and Unlimited. 
We flew all three classes each day and I actually won a trophy in 2-meter. 
Since the flight order is computer generated, there is no reason  we 
couldn't allow late entry and raise a little more money with late entry 
fees.


Chuck, I will nearly quote Marna from Sat. AM during electric, Thank 
goodness we have no late entries cause all devil happens when it is.
The way we operate, in the MOM format, late entries will never be allowed in 
the foreseeable future, just not possible.  Our entries are open for 5 full 
months,
and the dates known for most years the early fall before, it seems most can 
plan ahead and get entries in on time.


Marc 



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Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments

[Marc Gellart]

Tony,
I would take note that the Organic was the 2m ship prior to this year.  At 
the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M 
Duck.  The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, and 
it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them here.


Marc 



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Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments

[Marc Gellart]

Ask Don Stackhouse about why a Duck works.  It will fry his cork.  Actually, 
Mr Reynolds gets very happy with a Duck, and the empty weight is only about 
40 ounces and some even less.  I think that it fools the air into thinking 
it is something that is much larger.  And yes, a complete Duck ready to go 
is in the $1000 range, kind of nuts, but for those of that taste, it works 
well.


Marc
- Original Message - 
From: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: RCSE soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, July 30, 2006 6:33 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments



From: Marc Gellart [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I would take note that the Organic was the 2m ship prior to this year. 
At

the Nats, there has never been any ship with greater numbers than the 2M
Duck.  The Organic in many areas holds sway cause of it's availablility, 
and
it is a decent ship, but Ducks have always had the numbers behind them 
here.


==


Yep, agreed. The Organic was the best design that was readily available. 
But despite the maximum difficulty of getting a Duck (I saw a used one for 
sale for $1000),  many top pilots have gravitated to it since it first 
appeared, because it has the right design to win 2M. That's what's 
interesting to me. Its low AR, fairly high wing loading, and high 
operating CL are all at the opposite end of the  spectrum from the current 
fashion in Unlimited, where light planes with long, skinny, thin-section 
wings flying at low coefficient of lift are appearing all over the place.


I guess it proves that in theory, there is no difference between theory 
and practice, but in practice there is.






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Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments

[Marc Gellart]

Ya, one flew, it was Mike Lackowski's(sp), and it blew up about half way 
through the event...


Marc
- Original Message - 
From: Paul Jacobson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: tony estep [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: RCSE soaring@airage.com
Sent: Friday, July 28, 2006 11:31 PM
Subject: Re: [RCSE] After the 2006 NATS - 2 Meter Comments



Was anyone flying the Mark Drela designed Aegea 2M at the NATS?

The design for the Aegea 2M was posted to the Allegro-Lite group in 
August 2002, so it seems to be contemporaneous with the Mantis 2M   the 
Organic 2M.



On 29/07/2006, at 11:00 AM, tony estep wrote:


From: Jim Deck [EMAIL PROTECTED]
...the dominant design utilized by the top ten
finishers was the venerable Duck...



A very fine post in its entirety, Jim. 2-Meters is a world unto  itself, 
and when good flyers go at it, it's a very worthwhile  event. You have to 
launch to the moon, then find lift quick,  because the little planes come 
down in a hurry and don't travel  well if you hit sink.


The dominance of the Duck design seems to me to have some  interesting 
implications. U.S. flyers generally have disdained V- tail airplanes, but 
the Duck shows that they can learn to love 'em  if the tail is big 
enough. Additionally, the Duck has a fairly low  AR wing and is pretty 
heavy; these characteristics don't match the  current fashion, but in 
this class they seem to prove out to be  best in practice.


It would be neat to see a resurgence of interest in 2M, just to see  what 
other design tweaks might come along. It seems that there  hasn't been 
much design activity in this class since the Organic  and 2M Mantis. 
Maybe there's a world-beater out there to be  discovered.






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[RCSE] Nats and Other Thoughts

[Marc Gellart]

Well, we are in our downhill slide here, we have had everything from great 
conditions to some pretty tough stuff.  George made comments about it, the 
humidity has not even been that bad, but George comes from that dry heat.  

Mike Smith has been flying great, Daryl and Mike Fox too, whats new right?  The 
weekend had one pretty tough day, Saturday, and one of the most gorgeous days 
you could imgine Sunday.  HL went very well, nine rounds there, and 2M had good 
weather too.  As has been noted, yesterday was a tough day, high overcast, a 
few drops of rain, and the wind blew solid and steady.  We missed the rain 
yesterday even though we had a few showers around us and a few drops on the 
field, but today looks rough rain wise.  Hopefully it holds, but as I type 
this, it is raining now.

For me, this has been a one of kind Nats, and one of the toughest I have had.  
When I take vacation, I am really not on vacation, and this week has been very 
busy business wise.  I did finish my Level V Sunday with a great XC flight that 
went textbook, nothing lower than 1600 and as high as 2400, we could have kept 
going for a long time I think if that need to land to finish the task had not 
been in there.  Ask Jim Deck about the trip.

I am sure that more is to come from folks, will have more to say later myself.

Marc Gellart
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[RCSE] Nats Weather

[Marc Gellart]

George is right, it has been hot around IN/OH the last few days, but the 
start of the Soaring Nats looks great.  Temps for Friday and the weekend are 
forecast in the low 80's and under 10 winds.  After the last attempt at XC 
two years ago, this looks like paradise.  Look forward to seeing everyone 
there, and for those not making it, too bad!


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[RCSE] Nats F3B Batteries

[Marc Gellart]

How many folks are going to need batteries for F3B at the Nats?

I am going to be seeing our battery guys next Monday and will set the 
number, if any, are needed.  Also, I need the spec for the battery as well.


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[RCSE] New E-Address

[Marc Gellart]

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[RCSE] OVSS Scores Posted

[Marc Gellart]

OVSS scores are updated from the Mid South, head to the MVSA website and check 
it out.

http://www.mvsaclub.com/ovss/ovss06.htm 

Marc Gellart

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RE: [RCSE] JR 770 RX's?????

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Todd, the 770 RX is just fine, I am flying 5 of them.  Do not let one guy 
with an issue make you change.   Do your range check and it is good, you are 
fine.

Marc Gellrt

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Date: 6/27/06 11:44 am
To: Soaring@airage.com Soaring@airage.com
Subj: [RCSE] JR 770 RX's?

Hi All,


Please, can anyone shead some light on the flaws of the 770s by JR?  I
hace 2 and one has worked flawlessly...so far. The other is in a bird just
now programmed and is ready for a maiden launchso NOW I am a bit
wondering IF I should yank the 770 out before the maiden Lauch or just chuck
it?  Any input from all of you is always greatly appreciatedbeen lots of
help here for me over the last couple years.


Thanks in advance.


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Re: [RCSE] Topaz XL and XXL

[Marc Gellart]

Jim,
Saw an XL, not sure but was bigger than original 
Topaz, first flight was a pop off and he flew it out. Really a gas bag, is 
much better to carry than an AVA, lays entirely flat. There are days for 
this ship for sure.

Marc

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jim and 
  Donna Crook 
  To: soaring@airage.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 8:55 PM
  Subject: [RCSE] Topaz XL and XXL
  
  Does anyone have 
  any experience with either of these planes?
  
  TIA

Re: [RCSE] Tangerine Soaring Championship - Nov. 25th 26th

[Marc Gellart]

Atta Boy Rick, welcome to the dark side.  This shakes em'up everywhere it is 
tried.  I am going to try to make it down there if possible, might be a long 
shot, but I will try.  Glad to see others making the move.

Marc Gellart
From the home of Seeded MOM, the OVSS!
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[RCSE] OVSS Scores Updated

[Marc Gellart]

Updated OVSS scores can be seen at:

http://www.mvsaclub.com/ovss/ovss06.htm

Thanks Glauco!!!

Marc
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[RCSE] Gateway Open/OVSS #3

[Marc Gellart]

Well, what a tough weekend of soaring.  Six rounds both days, winds in the 
20-30 m/h range on Saturday with thunderstorms around and Sunday, much nicer 
conditions in the 7-14 m/h range and some really nice air and some air that bit 
some bad.  Seeded MOM with some huge shake ups both days from being in the 
wrong place at the wrong time, also, there was some plane carnage on Saturday 
in particular and Sunday, everybody that was in the corn thankfully found their 
ship pretty quickly.  As far winners go, Rich Burnoski won both days flying a 
Espada on Saturday and Giant on Sunday.  Results will appear on the MVSA 
website, www.mvsaclub.com as well as updated OVSS scoring.

I CD'd along with Mark Nankivil and a large atta-boy goes to the MVSA club for 
a great team effort.  It was LV both days and took a lot of work, they are a 
great group and I miss being out here more.

Next up is Mid South for OVSS and some more MOM soaring.

Marc Gellart

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[RCSE] OVSS Scores

[Marc Gellart]

For those interested, OVSS scores can be found on the Missippippi Valley 
Soaring Association's website courtesy of Glauco Laugo.  Go to 
www.mvsaclub.com/ovss/ovss06.htm .  Also, remember that OVSS is sponsored by JR 
Radio and Soaring USA, good folks and great supporters of RC Soaring!

Also, check out the Gateway Open info that is coming up on June 16-18 at the 
club sod farm field.

Marc Gellart
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[RCSE] ARF Sag's-Kind of Lame

[Marc Gellart]

Was making a pass through RC Groups this AM and found a post concerning ARF
Sagitta 600 and 900's from Esprit Models.  They look really sweet, but,
always a but, the 600 has a span of about 82 and they are both flapped
wings.  Appear to be built very will , all wood, so woody legal, and
composite reinforcement in the wings, but they missed it on the flaps and
the span IMHO.  A guy that could do some surgery, but that is missing the
point for buying a nice ARF.  It makes you wonder who they talked to or got
their info from?

Marc

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[RCSE] OVSS Schedule and New Rookie Award for '06

[Marc Gellart]

If you go to the following link at RC Groups, a complete Ohio Valley Soaring 
Series schedule is there.  A website directory for each club involved is also 
available for fliers to know what is going on at each stop.  
 
www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493734#post5204772

Just as in the past two years, JR Radio is supporting OVSS with merchandise, 
and radio equipment.  We can not thank Peter Goldsmiith enough and the 
leadership at Horizon Hobby for their help.  

New in '06, Bob Breaux of Soaring USA is throwing SUSA's support our way and 
sponsoring also with merchandise and support of a new season award.  This will 
be the highest scoring first time flier (has never flown the OVSS before and 
has to be a LSF Level II or lower) for the year.  The name of the award is the 
Soaring USA/OVSS Rookie Award.  Hopefully, you regulars can get those new guys 
out there to saddle up and come out in '06

Our first weekend of OVSS is coming up in less than a month in Cincinnati, I 
cannot wait.  I will only get to fly Sunday, buy I know there will be a good 
crowd. Rumor has it even Jim McCarthy is showing up, that will be a seen for 
sure.  Also at Cinci, 2005 year end placques will be handed out as well.  See 
you all there!

Marc

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Re: [RCSE] Seattle HLG Contest April 15th!

[Marc Gellart]

Hey Red, do you really call Man-on-Man, Person-on-Person in Seattle or was that 
a typo?  If you do, political correctness has really gone to far!

Marc
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[RCSE] Great Day in FTW, 18 Fliers...

[Marc Gellart]

Great day in Ft. Wayne, 18 guys, great contest, close to a LV but just
needed a couple or three more guys and it would have been a voucher filler
for someone.  Too bad, someone missed out!

Marc Gellart, CD

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Re: [RCSE] NATS registrations

[Marc Gellart]

 Well boys, daylight savings time has arrived, it's April, 

Remember, Indiana finally got with the world and is changing their clocks,
so we will have an extra hour of sun in Muncie this summer.  Gives guys lots
of after hours flying time and Gordy can shoot more landing in preperation
for that Nats plaque.   Also, to back up what Barry has said, I know that
many schedules finalize in the last minute, but if you know you are coming
go ahead and help Barry out and get that entry in.  That means you
Siebanaler, git-r-done!

Marc Gellart
Nats ED

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Re: [RCSE] NATS registrations

[Marc Gellart]

...Gives guys lots of after hours flying time and Gordy can shoot more
landing in preperation
for that Nats plaque...

You will notice Chuck, that the reference was for fun flying, not the
contest, Lord hope and the river does not rise, we will not go late this
year so you will not miss your dinner plans.  Remember, since we started
late that day, about three hours, is why we went late.  I would imagine that
Visalia does not have much of a problem with thunder, lightening and rain at
times during their contest.  AMA and LSF do not want us to go late if
possible.

Say hello to Martha for me!

Marc


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[RCSE] 2006 OVSS on RC Groups

[Marc Gellart]

Go to www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthreads.php?t=493734 and the schedule is 
listed and club websites available to go to and confirm when information is 
posted for the contests.

Marc Gellart

Man it is pretty today, soaring cannot be far off...
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Re: Re: [RCSE] 2006 OVSS on RC Groups

[Marc Gellart]

Pepperkay, try this one:

www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=493734#post5204772

Marc
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[RCSE] Launch Numbers-Real Data

[Marc Gellart]

While on the mend, was at Jo Jo's pages and went to Phil Kolb's log on his test 
flying of his Pike Perfect, had a launch on mono from a hand tow of ~5.5s tow 
time, 95 meter release, 216 gross launch height.  That is a 2.27 return on your 
release, I am kind of impressed, guess this is why I got a ZLog this winter to 
learn more about my launches than instead of hoping for more.  Would love to 
know some more numbers if guys have them from their logs.

Marc
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[RCSE] Drela on USA Today

[Marc Gellart]

Dr. Drela is mentioned in an article about runway conditions at CHI-MDW during 
Southwest accident in December.  Any comments Dr. Drela?

Marc

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[RCSE] New Pike Giant For Sale

[Marc Gellart]

Got a new Pike giant for sale, full carbon, orange over black W/yellow stripes. 
 You can go to see details and pics at:

wwwrcgroups.com/froum/showthreads.php?t=486502#post5121713

Just have enough, well maybe not, but have an issue coming up and probably just 
need to move this ship.  $1250 for the ship plus packaging and shipping via UPS 
Store at ZC 47374 or upper midwest pickup.

Marc

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Re: [RCSE] Model Aviation

[Marc Gellart]

David,
   I think that Mr. Hunt was working in generalities in his statement, not 
smashing RC soaring; remember that a RC soaring club is an RC club.  Whether 
any of us like it or not, power RC flying is the backbone of RC flying and it 
is where the $'s are in advertising and production.  Have you ever seen Samba 
or Maple Leaf advertising in Model Aviation?  No, and I do not expect it, we 
are a cottage industry and that is a reality of rc soaring.  I am glad that 
Darwin and Dave cover our interest in the magazine, many soaring editors have 
done a great job for us in the past as well.
   
Marc
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[RCSE] Frequency Click-Clack's

[Marc Gellart]

I do not know about if it is perfect, but I have the JR Module and love it.  In 
OVSS land, it is really nice to go to a contest and know you are the only guy 
on a frequency so you can fly whenever and hopefully there is no one to turn on 
you during the event, and it has happened once or twice over the years.  Now, 
if I decide to go to another frequency, I change and stay there till the next 
need to change, which may be a while.  If I have the changed the setting 15 
times this year, that is the max.  i feel confident with it and since I am 
using the 770 PCM RX, if the numbers do not jive, nothing happens and you know 
to check.  Also, you have to change frequencies prior to firing up so you must 
be vigilant to your condition.

Also, if you are dependent on the Tower Hobbies Freq. Check for security, good 
luck.  That things range is miniscule and if everyone you are concerned with is 
not literally right next to you, they are too far away.  I have watched guys 
piddle with them from timt-to-time and was not impressed.  i would be much more 
confident with Skips tools than that cheap toy.

Marc
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[RCSE] Nats Entries Are Coming In

[Marc Gellart]

Just a reminder that nats entries are open and already close to fifty are in 
the books from 15 states.  Appreciate all the entries that have come in, all 
the info is on www.silentflight.org under the 2006 Nats heading.  Barry 
Anderson will gladly take your entrie.

Looking forward to the summer!

Marc Gellart
2006 Soaring National Championships Event Director
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Re: RE: [RCSE] Supra flies and Marc Gellart

[Marc Gellart]

Many thanks to George, and his dear wife, for putting up with us talking 
soaring. We went back to the hotel after dinner and I showed him some videos 
that were around the web on full size soaring.  Really good time by all.  
Goerge is a great host, just wished he was able to get out more and fly with us.

Marc

I promise, no Supra was harmed by the removal of weight while we ate dinner.
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Re: [RCSE] stopwatch question.

[Marc Gellart]

Just a question here, your club buys the stopwatches?  Never seen that before.

Marc
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Re: Re: [RCSE] Olympics - off topic

[Marc Gellart]

Daryl,
Yopu need to watch a movie called Men With Brooms.  Funnier than hell, 
and you could learn some of the finer points of curling, including woman, 
booze, wild living in Canada, and a beaver stampede, really.

Marc
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[RCSE] MPX Servo Arms

[Marc Gellart]

Anyone have some virgin servo arms for those red servos?

Marc
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Re: Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios

[Marc Gellart]

Steve,
Do you read AMA's Model Aviation?  There was an article showing Steve 
Kaluf flying a big aero ship with the radio and talks about the fact that no 
one needs pins with it and that it would not cause problems at the normal 
flying field.  Not sure which issue, but it was in the last two months.

Marc
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Re: Re: [RCSE] New Spread Spectrum Radios

[Marc Gellart]

Steve,
Do you read AMA's Model Aviation?  There was an article showing Steve 
Kaluf flying a big aero ship with the radio and talks about the fact that no 
one needs pins with it and that it would not cause problems at the normal 
flying field.  Not sure which issue, but it was in the last two months.

Marc
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[RCSE] Woodies, Moldies, Baggies, ARFies

[Marc Gellart]

After all this today, I want to thank Jim Deck and his student Richard, Jim 
taught him the realities of RC soaring, and really any activity that takes 
practice, patience, and some effort.  I think all of us are very cognizant of 
helping students and folks who walk out on our flying fields to watch what is 
going on.  It happened for me in 1975, and, all of us that are here remember 
the moment.

I find it kind of interesting that some quantify building with balsa and spruce 
as the only real way to get folks to not be scared of the hobby/sport.  Well, I 
do not believe that, and I think that many are drawn by the many detailed 
aspects of RC Soaring from the interaction with nature to the wide variety of 
materials we use to make the ships out of.  In addition, I think that is 
crappolla that guys feel that you should not be flying what you enjoy to fly in 
the somewhat nieve thought that moldie's, ARF's, and bought ships will run off 
new interest in soaring.  Anyone that has been in this dance long enough has 
built, designed or both a ship and built many kits, so what does only flying 
those choices elevate you to some higher than high status.  I will give anyone 
credit for doing the work, but on my schedule now, and many others too, I just 
do not have the time to build what I use to.

We all want to have new blood, and thanks to guys like Jim Deck and the late 
Mike Remus, and many others not named here, more folks will continue to enter 
the sport.

Marc
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[RCSE] Woodies, Moldies, Baggies, ARFies

[Marc Gellart]

After all this today, I want to thank Jim Deck and his student Richard, Jim 
taught him the realities of RC soaring, and really any activity that takes 
practice, patience, and some effort.  I think all of us are very cognizant of 
helping students and folks who walk out on our flying fields to watch what is 
going on.  It happened for me in 1975, and, all of us that are here remember 
the moment.

I find it kind of interesting that some quantify building with balsa and spruce 
as the only real way to get folks to not be scared of the hobby/sport.  Well, I 
do not believe that, and I think that many are drawn by the many detailed 
aspects of RC Soaring from the interaction with nature to the wide variety of 
materials we use to make the ships out of.  In addition, I think that is 
crappolla that guys feel that you should not be flying what you enjoy to fly in 
the somewhat nieve thought that moldie's, ARF's, and bought ships will run off 
new interest in soaring.  Anyone that has been in this dance long enough has 
built, designed or both a ship and built many kits, so what does only flying 
those choices elevate you to some higher than high status.  I will give anyone 
credit for doing the work, but on my schedule now, and many others too, I just 
do not have the time to build what I use to.

We all want to have new blood, and thanks to guys like Jim Deck and the late 
Mike Remus, and many others not named here, more folks will continue to enter 
the sport.

Marc
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[RCSE] Re: RE: [RCSE] I Challenge You 'Other' Big Mouths! F3J Team Raffle

[Marc Gellart]

Jim Monaco so aptly noted:

Don’t forget the JR support –they deserve a lot of credit for their continuing 
support of soaring in the US aswell.  Their gracious financial contribution is 
greatly appreciated by theentire team!  
 
Be sure to support those that support oursport as generously and as 
consistently as they do!!!

To all the folks at JR that help so many folks in so many ways, they are a 
treasure, just as Barry and Karen, and others have and are continueing to be.  
These folks get tugged many ways by many folks to give and give, and in the 
reality of the circumstances, there really is not much room left to give after 
expenses and effort.  Support our good soaring vendors in the U.S.

Marc
 

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[RCSE] Full Size in NZ

[Marc Gellart]

Paul Naton had listed this website on RC Groups and it has some plainly 
stunning pics of full scales, like multiple ships on landing and flybys in the 
same pass.  Really neat things to look at in your liesure.

www.gp06.com/gallery.php

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] JR Aerotow date

[Marc Gellart]

Jim, 
You are correct, June 1-4, not sure what happened to John's note, but that 
is what I have on the calendar.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] You think a variometer is too much.......what about this?

[Marc Gellart]

No, that is not a gadget, that is called insurance.

Marc
- Original Message -
From: Stan Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Soaring Digest soaring@airage.com
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 3:19 AM
Subject: [RCSE] You think a variometer is too much...what about this?


 We have a guy that has a 6m Nimbus with an electric motor that has
 besides a talking variometer also has a gps in his plane that will bring
 his plane back to the launch point in event he loses orientation.  Now,
 that's a gadget.

 Stan
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Re: [RCSE] Tom Nagel rules in this RCSD Edition!

[Marc Gellart]

Wow, first time I have gotten to see the online RCSD, but Tom, you have to 
give folks in the U.S. more stimulating stuff than the history of 
Groveport.I woke up after paragraph three and had a drewl spot on 
the desk. You got to get a life and get out of Ohio once in a while 
man. Travel with me some week in Indiana and I can really liven up your 
experience!

Marc

Re: [RCSE] Computer Guided Thermaling

[Marc Gellart]

Imagine if your glider could sense thermals by onboard electronics and 
actually soar them by itself.

Heck JB, I thought that was using a piccolario?  I realize that it does not fly 
for you, but throw an FMA Co-Pilot in and you darn near have it.  Pretty much 
takes all the fun out of it then I would think. 

Just could not help myself...

Marc



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[RCSE] Small [R/C] plane crash...

[Marc Gellart]

Under the title of, Stupid People Trick please read below.

 http://www.edmontonsun.com/News/World/2006/01/16/1396184-sun.html

Marc

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Re: [RCSE] XC at Nats

[Marc Gellart]

Tom,
On the weekend there are three events running concurrently, F3B, Winch XC, 
and Aerotow XC and you must enter one, that is how I thought it was done in '04 
but that is how it will be done in '06.  Good or bad, you must decide and fly 
an event. Also, there will be an altitude limit to launches this year in 
Aerotow XC, not sure what that is yet, but Johnny needs to see the towplane and 
that was an issue at 4K, which was not really appropriate and it is a soaring 
contest not who can see the plane the highest. 
The after hour event title is for the line across the chart not after HL 
on Friday.  If you look to the right you will see HL Golf and the Banquet and 
that is what is being refernced by this line, Tom could not make the title 
outside the chart I would guess.

Hope that answers your questions.
Marc Gellart
2006 Soaring Nationals Event Director




From: Tom Broeski [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed Jan 11 05:19:47 CST 2006
To: Soaring@airage.com
Subject: [RCSE] XC at Nats

Last time they let you fly either or both XC events.?? Aero-tow and winch.? 
There was only one fee.? There is only winch XC listed on the LSF site.? 
http://www.silentflight.org/NATS2006/Nats2006.html? but the entry form has them 
separated.? There is also? After Hours Events listed on Friday after HL.? 
What would that be??If the conditions were like last time, it would be nice to 
have the option of flying in the aero-tow.? Having to choose only one is 
difficult.? Anyone know if the aero-tow is like last time, where you got towed 
as high as you wanted?? It mean't the biggest plane got up 4000 ft, while the 
smaller ones 1000 ft.? If they have a set height for release, and monitors at 
the field corners, then it might be more fair and might be a factor in people's 
decisions.? Since there is no frequency conflict issue, it would be nice if 
there was still the option of doing both.?I have a vehicle this year, but need 
a driver and observer.? I'm sure my last year's team will be doing scale 
aero-tow, and I need my 10K for LSF and Canadian.? Anyone able to help out?? I 
have two winches available if anyone needs me to bring a spare.?Tom

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Re: RE: [RCSE] XC at Nats

[Marc Gellart]

The altitude question is not really a matter of fair but safety and contest 
flow concerning the tows ships, that 2M span tow ship is mighty small at 4K.  
This a soaring contest too, towing to unlimited height on a good day at Muncie 
would put a ship so high in the column that it would be locked in lift.  04 was 
an anomoly as far as conditions, hopefully we will be more back on track.

Marc 
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RE: [RCSE] Sorely Disappointed

[Marc Gellart]

But there was hell of a B-1 fly by in full burner, too bad the camera just 
about missed it.  

Too bad those darn tea-sipps won that football game, I am not an USC fan, but 
the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Marc

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 Original Message 
From: Tom H. Nagel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 1/5/06 11:14 am
To: RCSE soaring@airage.com
Subj: [RCSE] Sorely Disappointed

Gents:


I tuned in to this show called  The Rose Bowl last night, and would you 
believe it, there was not a single sailplane in sight.  


OK, there were a couple of parachutists doing spot landings right at the 
beginning, but it is easy to make your time when you are hauled up by a C-130.  


No Joe Wurts, no DP, and no sailplanes.  The damn thing went on past 
midnight (EST) and they were playing FOOTBALL!  Who would have thunk it?


Tom H. Nagel
Columbus, OH

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[RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video

[Marc Gellart]

Go to Jo's website, www.grini.no and give his Nats video a look (in hi sidary 
section).  It is 12+ minutes but is great to bring some warm memories of 
Muncie.  Very good job Jo.

Marc
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Re: Re: [RCSE] Jo Jo's Nats Video

[Marc Gellart]

Try this Jim, www.workflow.as/jogrini/diary/index.htm

Go to December 25, and it is below his pics for the X-Mas day fun fly.  I tried 
to pull an immediate address and could not find one.  

You know you are there when you see Gordy, you are prominate in there at a spot.

Marc
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Re: [RCSE] Soaring Masters and Woodies

[Marc Gellart]

Damn Daryl, are you that bored on New Years Eve that you had time to write
this all down?  I do not feel that bad, at least I was somewhere warm for
the week.

Happy new Years to all, '06 is looking really good!

Marc

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RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed

[Marc Gellart]

Jim,
I have heard of some gluttens for punishment, but this project wins the award.

Marc

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 Original Message 
From: JIM EALY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12/27/05 3:38 pm
To: Frank Deichsel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: RCSE posting' soaring@airage.com
Subj: Re: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed

Frank:
I still have the fuse from many years ago and I have set up a standard stick
wing. Hope to fly it at WC '06 or '07. I found a good set of info on the ASW
20CLX - extended wing with winglets.  I am using Dr Drela's BD wing platform
for the wings, 3/16,5/32, and 1/8 hard balsa ribs (Lofted with Compufoil)
with 3/16 ply ribs at selected locations, full spar width vertical webbing, and
layered carbon spars. Cap rib side of LE with carbon and bottom of the TE.
Aileron sub spars generously capped with carbon. Carbon wing rod and tubes. By
the time you have the correct sized obechii, a proper spar built, and proper
vacuum bagging set up, etc, the ribs can be cut and the wing laid up RTC. IMHO
Happy building
Jim
PS:laying up and vacuum bagging those long wings could be a nightmare!


On Tue, 27 Dec 2005 11:01:31 +, Frank Deichsel wrote:


 Thanks George, yes I have thought about that.
 I am pondering though what thickness the cores are designed for. I have never
cut cores but I know that the thickness of the intended sheeting is considered
(deducted) so that after sheeting the desired airfoil shape is achieved. Or
does a millimeter more or less not matter that much? It's an older airfoil
anyway, FX60-126 if I remember correctly.
 
 
 Thanks,
 
 Frank
   - Original Message - 
   From: George Voss 
   To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting' 
   Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 AM
   Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
 
 
   Frank, I'm not familiar with this particular plane but I'd agree with you. 
The obechi we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless
you have a substantial spar system.  Have you thought of using 2 layers of the
thin obechi?
 

 
   George 
 

 
 
 --
 
   From: Frank Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 PM
   To: RCSE posting
   Subject: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
 

 
   Hi,
 

 
   I got a good deal on a 1/3 scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher
Hobby. Unfortunately there are no plans included and I need to know what
thickness obechi the wing cores are cut for. I did some research but no
success. The common thickness for sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what
I found that seems to be too thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by
Mueller in Germany in the same size which is sheeted with 1.2 mm which is
roughly twice as thick.
 

 
   Any info would be appreciated!
 

 
   Frank
 
 
 
 
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 Thanks George, yes I have thought about 
 that.
 I am pondering though what thickness the cores are 
 designed for. I have never cut cores but I know that the thickness of the 
 intended sheeting is considered (deducted) so that after sheeting the desired 
 airfoil shape is achieved. Or does a millimeter more or less not matter that 
 much? It's an older airfoil anyway, FX60-126 if I remember 
 correctly.
  
  
 Thanks,
  
 Frank
 
   - Original Message - 
   From: 
   George Voss 
   
   To: 'Frank Deichsel' ; 'RCSE posting' 
   
   Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:10 
   AM
   Subject: RE: [RCSE] 1/3 ASW-20 by Dream 
   Catcher/Mark Smith Info Needed
   
   
   Frank, I?m not 
   familiar with this particular plane but I?d agree with you.  The obechi 
   we get here in the US is going to be pretty thin on a 5M wing unless you
have 
   a substantial spar system.  Have you thought of using 2 layers of the 
   thin obechi?
    
   George 
   
    
   
   
   
   
   From: Frank 
   Deichsel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005 9:15 
   PMTo: RCSE 
   postingSubject: [RCSE] 1/3 
   ASW-20 by Dream Catcher/Mark Smith Info 
   Needed
    
   
   Hi,
   
    
   
   I got a good deal on a 1/3 
   scale ASW-20 kit made by Mark Smith/Dream Catcher Hobby. Unfortunately there


   are no plans included and I need to know what thickness obechi the wing
cores 
   are cut for. I did some research but no success. The common thickness for 
   sheeting seems to be 1/42 here, but from what I found that seems to be too 
   thin for a 5 meter wing. There is a wing made by Mueller in 
   Germany in the same size which is 
   sheeted with 1.2 mm which is roughly twice as 
   thick.
   
    
   
   Any info would be 
   appreciated!