Re: [biofuels-biz] Diesel or bust
Thats alright Hakan, and yes thanks, I got the harvest finished. Best regards Steven Hakan Falk wrote: Steven, I do not think so, because they are a part of the natural cycle. But I am in trouble and seems to be out of any natural loop, to write US, when I now where you live and when the article clearly state Australia. But I am doing many mistakes nowadays and it looks as if I lost half the brain with half the sight. LOL I hope you get your harvest in properly. Hakan At 12:54 07/01/2004, you wrote: Well Hakan, I think even the horses would be in troublethey emit greenhouse gas too you know!! Steven Hakan Falk wrote: Sorry, I got it wrong. It should be Australia. I am so used about all the US problems, that the fingers think by themselves. Hakan Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Fwd: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products
Fwd: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:02:26 -0500 Subject: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products From: Jon Harsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 9 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 10 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 11 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 12 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are invited to: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products Constituent Alert-Public Meeting on Proposed Rule to Implement Preferred Procurement of Biobased Products Who: Senior USDA Officials What: Public Meeting on Proposed Rule to Implement Preferred Procurement of Biobased Products. Where: Jefferson Auditorium, U.S. Department of Agriculture 1400 Independence Ave. S.W., Washington D.C. When: Thursday, January 29, 2004, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Agenda: 9:00 to 9:15 a.m. -- Opening remarks by Senior Official 9:15 to 9:30 -- Discussion of proposed rule by Keith Collins, Chief Economist Panel:9:30 to 11:45 a.m. Panel to answer questions on the proposed rule. Panel participants include: Roger K. Conway, Office of Energy Policy and New Uses, USDA. Marvin Duncan, Office of Energy Policy and New Uses, USDA. Daniel Hylton, Office of the General Counsel, USDA. Carmela Bailey, Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension Service, USDA. Glenn Haggstrom, Department Administration, USDA. Cynthia Vallina, Office of Management and Budget . Lunch on your own: Noon to 1:00 p.m. Public Comment: 1:15 to 4:30 p.m. A printed copy of all comments offered on the proposed rule, including identification and contact information for the commenter, must be provided to USDA at the time comments are offered. Oral presentation of public comments will be limited to no more than 15 minutes per comment. There will be no page limit on the written comments. Please contact Marvin Duncan at the Office of Energy Policy and New Uses at USDA to schedule your oral presentation of public comments. He can be reached by telephone at 202-401-0532 and by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where written comments only are to be presented, it is not necessary to schedule the introduction of those comments into the record in advance of the stakeholder meeting. This event will be video web streamed in real time, enabling a national town meeting on the proposed rule. That web streaming is available through a hot link at the Current Issues Box on the home page of www.biobased.oce.usda.gov. Viewers can also access a copy of the proposed rule and file written comments using this web site. The video web streaming for this event can also be accessed through the USDA Home Page at www.usda.gov on January 29. During the meeting, members of the public can fax questions about the proposed rule, or make public comments on the proposed rule to this fax number: 202-720-9553. Members of the public can also e-mail questions or public comments during the meeting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuels-biz/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
Martin Klingensmith wrote: Alex, the closest we can come to a perfect source of energy is the sun. Martin - sun energy is the same as the one Bruce is working on - dissociation of matter. However the problem with sun energy is that it is not evenly distributed. For example here in Ontario we can definitely use more sun - especially today (-20 c) As long as people rely on increasing amounts of energy to do everything we want to do, we are going to have to utilize different methods of getting this energy. Windmills are one of the most promising methods of power generation (conversion), and they cannot be overlooked because a few birds get killed. As far as a current amplifier goes, I hope you are joking. There is no device that can take energy and create more energy from it. It's not even something that the many people on this list wish to see more of. Martin, what we are talking about is an energy of dissociation of matter - plain NE. Bruce proposing devices which can use NE safely right on the spot - not on humangous Nuclear Generating Stations. Highways look like an eyesore to me, so do power lines. Let's get rid of them. You won't need any power transmission lines. You didn't read any of the previous messages I sent, did you? Try this: http://www.cleanpowernow.org/birdkills.php I've red this article. Regards, Alex [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] OT: Nanotech, health risks, precautionary principle
Seems to me awhile back we had some discussion of nanotech, perhaps in response to someone who thought it was the be-all end-all technology, but maybe that was in a different group. In any event, some health warnings raised in this article: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storycid=585e=4u=/nm/20040108/sc_nm/science_nanotech_health_dc Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Vormax/Filtering (was: Anyone installed Espar diesel heater in WVO system?
Geoff, My pleasure. Your approach is very thorough and we're mining the same vein - singletank WVO that's bulletproof and can be driven like an ordinary diesel. My answers to your question are below: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Craig, Thanks for the info.I have spoke with you once on the phone briefly before the Christmas holiday.I especially appreciate your feedback on the choices for Webb HotSTK and hose on hose for reliability and minimizing the downside risk..This is my first attempt at converting a diesel to run primarily on WVO and I'm going to go overboard which is my nature.Rather than start with a bare bones approach I'm opting to go with the latest technology available, create what I can't find and hopefully attain my goal of a nearly on demand fill up, turn the key, pause for the glow plugs and drive vehicle running on WVO. Questions on the Vormax which I will cheerfully purchase from your company. 1. Can you get more than one heating element in itSuch as 12V heat, coolant heat and 120V heat all in the same unit?.I'd at least like to have 12v and coolant together and preferably all 3 options bundled together. Yes, the Vormax comes standard with provision for fluid heat exchange (coolant or return fuel, with coolant producing higher fuel temps) and 12V/180W heat and 120V heat 2. Are you letting your WVO settle before pouring it in the tank or do you use any WVO that you can pump from a dumpster?.I'd like to believe that a Vormax could handle these, however I had planned to build or buy a pumping and filtering system for collection and purifying. We (Ed Beggs and I, aka Neoteric Biofuels, let our restaurant oil settle in the jugs (we persuade them to give us their oil in the jugs in came in - for portability, so we don't have to dumpster dive, so we don't run the risk of getting water or other funky stuff that might find it's way into the dumpster, and so we can see what kind of oil they're buying - so we can avoid partially-hydrogenated oil, for instance) then we use the 12V FillRite diesel transfer pump we sell, with a 70 micron stainless mesh filter on the end of the suction hose - actually, it's inside a PVC wand we're going to start selling - with holes in the bottom of an airtight tube and the filter at the top of the tube. With this setup, we pump settled WVO right into our fuel tanks - and I have conversion customers (we do conversions in my Berkeley workshop) who do the same. The Vormax, with it's pre-filter, takes care of the rest of the filtering. You could use the same setup for dumpster diving, by placing the end of the wand just below the top surface of the oil - avoiding the (hopefully) settled food and/or water. I'd consider doing this on the road if I'd run out of pre-filtered and settled WVO. (I can fit 16 - 5 gallon carboys of settled and pre-filtered WVO in the rear of my '87 Mercedes wagon, and that 80 gallons plus my stock tank's (I'm running singletank) 18 gallons is enough for me to do a free roadtrip of about 2450 miles before I have to start thinking about scoring some more WVO. With your Cummins, you could carry a lot more WVO, of course. 3. What is the average life of the filter you use on the Vormax and what do you recommend?.Is it a cellulose type filter?.I thought I had read that VO causes the fibers to swell and can ruin them quicklyHave you heard of this? No one I know has had any problems with standard spin-on or cartridge-type fuel filters on WVO. When Ed first installed a Vormax on his '91 Jetta, he put 6000 miles on the original Fleetguard cartridge on the Vormax, and the vacuum gauge that indicates filter restriction never moved out of the green safe zone. He drained a bit of visible food bits out of the clear Lexan prefilter bowl twice in that 6000 miles. I've got about 5000 miles on my original cartridge. And they're only $11 at my local Ford Truck dealer - and about that at your Dodge dealer, and most CAT, Freightliner, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, etc. big truck dealers stock them - as well as truck stops on the highway. I have many more questions, but will limit them to these for now. Thanks in advance for your assistance, Geoff My pleasure. Keep up the good thinking! Craig --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Craig Reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoff, You wrote: Has anyone installed an Espar, Webasto or other diesel fired water heater in their WVO system to pre-heat the cooling system and thus the WVO?..My question is if these will work burning WVO. I've installed a Webasto diesel-fired coolant heater/pump in my Tdi Land Rover, plumbed into the cooling system (obviously) and will use it to preheat the coolant in my radiator, engine, heatercore, Webb HotSTK (now Racor HotSTK, since they bought Webb in December) in my WVO tank, and in my Vormax fuel pre-filter/filter, which has a heat
Re: [biofuel] VW-turbine
On Fri, 2004-01-09 at 17:41, alex wrote: Martin Klingensmith wrote: Alex, the closest we can come to a perfect source of energy is the sun. Martin - sun energy is the same as the one Bruce is working on - dissociation of matter. However the problem with sun energy is that it is not evenly distributed. For example here in Ontario we can definitely use more sun - especially today (-20 c) People have been working on this for ages. Is it usable now, is it safe, is it reliable, is it simple, is it inexpensive? We already have a giant fusion reactor conveniently sending billions of joules to our planet every second, why reinvent it? As long as people rely on increasing amounts of energy to do everything we want to do, we are going to have to utilize different methods of getting this energy. Windmills are one of the most promising methods of power generation (conversion), and they cannot be overlooked because a few birds get killed. As far as a current amplifier goes, I hope you are joking. There is no device that can take energy and create more energy from it. It's not even something that the many people on this list wish to see more of. Martin, what we are talking about is an energy of dissociation of matter - plain NE. Bruce proposing devices which can use NE safely right on the spot - not on humangous Nuclear Generating Stations. It will never happen, at least while you and I are alive. I will personally guarantee it. You can censure me if I become incorrect. The day I can get one in my home for the same price as a comparable solar array, I will send you a check for $1000USD. p.s. It's -28C here. brr. -- Martin Klingensmith infoarchive.net nnytech.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products
Fwd: Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2004 21:02:26 -0500 Subject: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products From: Jon Harsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 9 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 10 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 11 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED], 12 NUC Notice [EMAIL PROTECTED] You are invited to: USDA Open Public Meeting on Biobased Products Constituent Alert-Public Meeting on Proposed Rule to Implement Preferred Procurement of Biobased Products Who: Senior USDA Officials What: Public Meeting on Proposed Rule to Implement Preferred Procurement of Biobased Products. Where: Jefferson Auditorium, U.S. Department of Agriculture 1400 Independence Ave. S.W., Washington D.C. When: Thursday, January 29, 2004, from 9:00 a.m. to 4:30 p.m. Agenda: 9:00 to 9:15 a.m. -- Opening remarks by Senior Official 9:15 to 9:30 -- Discussion of proposed rule by Keith Collins, Chief Economist Panel:9:30 to 11:45 a.m. Panel to answer questions on the proposed rule. Panel participants include: Roger K. Conway, Office of Energy Policy and New Uses, USDA. Marvin Duncan, Office of Energy Policy and New Uses, USDA. Daniel Hylton, Office of the General Counsel, USDA. Carmela Bailey, Cooperative State Research, Education, and Extension Service, USDA. Glenn Haggstrom, Department Administration, USDA. Cynthia Vallina, Office of Management and Budget . Lunch on your own: Noon to 1:00 p.m. Public Comment: 1:15 to 4:30 p.m. A printed copy of all comments offered on the proposed rule, including identification and contact information for the commenter, must be provided to USDA at the time comments are offered. Oral presentation of public comments will be limited to no more than 15 minutes per comment. There will be no page limit on the written comments. Please contact Marvin Duncan at the Office of Energy Policy and New Uses at USDA to schedule your oral presentation of public comments. He can be reached by telephone at 202-401-0532 and by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Where written comments only are to be presented, it is not necessary to schedule the introduction of those comments into the record in advance of the stakeholder meeting. This event will be video web streamed in real time, enabling a national town meeting on the proposed rule. That web streaming is available through a hot link at the Current Issues Box on the home page of www.biobased.oce.usda.gov. Viewers can also access a copy of the proposed rule and file written comments using this web site. The video web streaming for this event can also be accessed through the USDA Home Page at www.usda.gov on January 29. During the meeting, members of the public can fax questions about the proposed rule, or make public comments on the proposed rule to this fax number: 202-720-9553. Members of the public can also e-mail questions or public comments during the meeting to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] RE: turbines kill birds
dont remember who sent that silly post that turbines kill birds.. but it is my belief that this is an urban legend. Turbines just do not turn fast enough that a bird will not see them and get out of the way. Perhaps whomever said this was refering to home brew turbines which in reality really do turn MUCH MUCH faster than those found on wind farms. Guess it is my opinion that the person who started this stupid rumor... without showing where the bird bodies lay must be a sparrow brain. So... With this in mind... Show me give me three places I can find something that really shows that birds are killed. We definitely have been using wind turbines in the Netherlands for hundreds of years.. dont see any dead birds there. Have wind farms in California ... Dont see any dead birds there. Have them in florida... no dead birds there.. We dont have them in Louisiana. To many hunters killing birds here. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane
With all of the changes in sugar imports and price supports.. Was wondering about setting up ethanol distillery for sugar cane in south louisiana since this is a huge production area. Anyone have any information on places to go look for info Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VW-turbine was: turbines kill birds
Steve, I have to disagree with you, it was a quite smart posting. This if his goal was trolling and to destroy the original discussion. It was quite successful also and he managed to move the discussion to something completely different. LOL I will therefore re-post the link to the original discussion, Plug-n Wind turbine, a development spec. http://energy.saving.nu/plugin/windturbine.shtml If anyone want to pick up the original topic again. Hakan At 16:09 10/01/2004, you wrote: dont remember who sent that silly post that turbines kill birds.. but it is my belief that this is an urban legend. Turbines just do not turn fast enough that a bird will not see them and get out of the way. Perhaps whomever said this was refering to home brew turbines which in reality really do turn MUCH MUCH faster than those found on wind farms. Guess it is my opinion that the person who started this stupid rumor... without showing where the bird bodies lay must be a sparrow brain. So... With this in mind... Show me give me three places I can find something that really shows that birds are killed. We definitely have been using wind turbines in the Netherlands for hundreds of years.. dont see any dead birds there. Have wind farms in California ... Dont see any dead birds there. Have them in florida... no dead birds there.. We dont have them in Louisiana. To many hunters killing birds here. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Trash: Florida's next source of energy?
http://www.bradenton.com/mld/bradenton/business/7649015.htm Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
