RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. Thanks, Todd. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =Chris, = =Never. = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what cleaves the metal =(sodium or =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates the FFAs. = =Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = Todd: = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the picture of glycerine =separation = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the glycerine layer should look =like. = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's and glycerine to separate =but = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? Have you encountered a =similar = result? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = - Original Message - = From: Tan = To: Biofuel = Subject: Glycerine Separation = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. =Could = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *#
I, too, would be interested in hearing about your efforts to start biodiesel production in NYC. More from the perspective of another biodiesel newbie that is interested in production. I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most people are less enlightened than the ones on this list, in that even if they do connect our political problems with oil, it does not occur to them that there are alternatives that are both environmentally and economically (key point!) more healthy. What's astonishing to me is how long biodiesel has been around versus how recently (I can count the weeks on two hands) I discovered its existence. Where are the press releases and ad campaigns? Definitely not on the front page. _ From: murdoch [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 12:32 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *# If you are able to follow through on this, or even if you are not able to do so, and find that it just takes the fire out of you, I for one will be extremely interested to read of your efforts, or of any further info you can pass on to us, about the NYC area. I am acquainted with the guy who runs NYCE wheels, the 2-wheeler EV seller on the upper east side. But that's just an EV issue, not a biofuel issue. A couple of years ago I was in NYC and asked about the grocery store situation. I realized that I never seemed to see large chain stores as I am accustomed to elsehwere. I was told that, basically, the local stores had a strong push and were able to keep the area different from the chain-store-ization of elsewhere. I am not saying good or bad, I was just sort of wondering, and that's what I was told... as I kept in mind the amounts of food going into the city every day, and the amounts of waste exiting. There was a news story or two, a few years ago, about the issue of some restauraunt waste grease, that might otherwise have been turned into fuel, being put illegally into the sewer systems, and causing damage. Apparently this was happening in a certain Chinese restaurant area more than in others? I have not heard any further discussion of this. Manhattan is such a different area from others that I have been to, that I cannot begin to really understand it. I never seem to see gas stations, yet there must be some, because there are certainly enough cars and taxis. I think this is merely my perception, that I don't see any. But at the same time, I'm guessing that it's highly regulated and that this is part of the reason for the lack of inroads by folks trying to do something different. After 9-11, I expected NYC people, of anyone, to make a connection between the issue of changing the sourcing of their fuel and fighting the war, or at least fighting whatever fight any individual citizen wanted, as far as his own personal views went. We've heard virtually nothing, though, from NYC, outside of one or two private comments I've heard about some EVs for some city program(s). Haven't really heard much to back up those comments even. It's just astonishing to me that not a single person from the NYC fourth estate has said anything (within hearing range of many of the rest of us) to make an issue of fuel sourcing available to NYC citizens. On Sun, 2 May 2004 21:29:42 -0400, you wrote: Thanks Here is my current dilemma: I am seeking to buy biodiesel, either B20 or B100 that I can mix myself. I am not in the best situation right now that would allow me the chance to brew my own. So I am looking for a distributor to supply me. Now, I live in the NY city area, THE largest Metropolitan area in the world, yet there are ZERO distributors here, the closest is New Haven, Connecticutt, and Bridgeton, NJ, 2 hours drive eiher way. I want so much to become part of the biodiesel solution that I want to try to become a distributor here in NY, and maybe get in on the ground floor. I do have some capital to invest. but just need more info on how to do it. I am banking on the hope that biodiesel will be the wave of the future, as a government mandated supplement to petro diesel. Good Luck to us all! - Original Message - From: To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Prius as an electric car *# Dear B.D., The parking lot is a great idea. I hope we a a few landlords/entrepreneurs on the list put it to use. Perhaps the charge could be done for free during certain hours to be competitive with parking lots not supplying the service. Maybe commuter parking lots could charge for free to induce multi-modal commuters to participate in such programs or to buy the cars in the first instance. Keep up the good thinking. Regards, Wendell Busyditch wrote: Ideally, one should be able to charge their battery using a biofuel powered genset. Not a reality for most, but imagine someone setting up an urban regeneration
Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business
on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to make some money with biodiesel. Why? Can't you just be a day trader or something? -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The Wealth of Nature
Herman Daly's book Beyond Growth was required reading in the program I was in a few years ago, for the course in Ecological Economics (not your typical course or program!, especially in '99). It's very interesting reading..my copy kept me up late making copious notes in the margins! A real eye-opener. And, despite what we may think, Adam Smith did have a fairly strong notion of the need to maintain the social fabric of society - more than he's given credit for. Too much selective quoting, and quoting out of context going on with his stuff, too often, I think... Edward Beggs On Sunday, May 2, 2004, at 02:30 PM, Keith Addison wrote: http://www.gristmagazine.com/maindish/harrisintro040803.asp The Wealth of Nature A three-part series profiling ecological economists by Lissa Harris 08 Apr 2003 In 1776, the year the Scottish economist Adam Smith invented free-market economics with his book The Wealth of Nations, the total population of the globe was less than 700 million people. The coal-hauling locomotives and steamships that were to drive the Industrial Revolution were still 30 years off. Free-market economic theory grew and flourished in an era of abundant natural resources, in which the commodities that were the most rare -- and thus the most precious -- were the products of human technology. Nature was so bountiful that economists could afford to leave her out of their calculations. Fast-forward to 2003. The world's population has increased nearly tenfold. We are awash in technology, but our natural resources are rapidly dwindling. No longer can we rely on the infinite bounty of nature to provide healthy soil, clean air, and potable water. Yet even as the value of the environment to society becomes more and more apparent, so also does the inability of markets to recognize that value. And it's easy to see why. Compared to pork bellies and Palm Pilots, most goods and services provided by the environment are peculiar and ill-behaved: They don't respect property rights, they may take millennia to turn a profit, they benefit those who pay for them and those who don't alike. Neoclassical economists -- the intellectual scions of Adam Smith -- have generally been content to treat the environment as a particularly vexing sector of the overall economy, developing a group of theories collectively known as environmental economics to sort out the thorny problems presented by goods that don't fit the market mold. But recently, a group of mavericks known as ecological economists have begun to hammer out a new paradigm that stands economic theory on its head. Rather than the environment being a subset of the economy, they argue, the market is a subset of the global environment, and all the goods and services we trade ultimately depend on natural resources and processes. Ecological economists, while still personae non gratae in most university economics departments and major economic policy-setting institutions, are slowly gaining in influence, both in academia and among the general public. In a special series, we profile three practitioners of the new science: * Robert Costanza, director of the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics and the man who became famous for putting a price tag on the biosphere. In 1997, Costanza was lead author of a paper that declared the value of the services provided by the world's ecosystems to be almost twice that of the combined GNPs of all the nations of the world. The study made international news, prompting headlines like How Much is Nature Worth? For You, $33 Trillion. * Joshua Farley, a researcher at the Gund Institute for Ecological Economics, and a staunch crusader for the new paradigm. In 1996, Farley prized a doctorate in economics from the clutches of a committee of old-guard economists. Now he is making it his mission to literally rewrite the book for the next generation, coauthoring (with Herman Daly) the first textbook in ecological economics. * Herman Daly, the founding father and reigning guru of ecological economics. A former insider at the World Bank who is now one of its sharpest critics, Daly is the co-founder of the journal Ecological Economics and author of over 100 books and articles, including Steady-State Economics and Beyond Growth. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM - ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL
RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
It's JTF-Journey To Forever. Please do send me a copy of the method you recommend. My email address is bellow. Thanks, Chris =-Original Message- =From: mohamed hassan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:47 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =hi there i have not used sulphuric asid as the method =in the britch standard recoment a spesific method i =can send to you as an attach if you want =PS what is TJF??? = =M Hassan = =--- Tan mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: = Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. = Thanks, Todd. = = Regards, = Chris = = =-Original Message- = =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM = =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = = = =Chris, = = = =Never. = = = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what = cleaves the metal = =(sodium or = =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates = the FFAs. = = = =Todd Swearingen = = = =- Original Message - = =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] = =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com = =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM = =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = = = = Todd: = = = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the = picture of glycerine = =separation = = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the = glycerine layer should look = =like. = = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's = and glycerine to separate = =but = = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? = Have you encountered a = =similar = = result? = = = = Thanks, = = = = Chris = = = = - Original Message - = = From: Tan = = To: Biofuel = = Subject: Glycerine Separation = = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the = glycerine-methanol layer after = = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to = JTF, it's sherry colored. = =Could = = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or = yellow sherry? = = = = Thanks, = = = = Chris = = = = = = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = = Biofuels list archives: = = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the = list address. = = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = = =Biofuels list archives: = =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the = list address. = =To unsubscribe, send an email to: = =[EMAIL PROTECTED] = =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =__ =Do you Yahoo!? =Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs =http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: New producer in search of Methanol
Check your hobby stores for Methanol for gas powered model air planes and cars. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, stevenpfaff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to start producing biodiesel for myself but I'm having a bit of trouble finding Methanol. Could anyone advise where I might look in or around the Southeast Wisconsin area? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Processing plan?
I looking for a good set of plans by which I can process 20+ Gal of Bio per week. I have access to an unlimited supply of WVO but need a proven set of plans to build off of. Any suggestions. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] biodiesel business
You bring up a good point. It's hard to find green business people, since there's a lot more money to be made elsewhere. I totally encourage your efforts Tomas. My 2 cents on your question: maybe you could contact other schools that use biodiesel in their fleets and see what they've done. I know they are out there but not sure which ones they are. As for biodiesel business, I have noticed in the past few weeks that: - there are a LOT of homebrewers and co-ops (yay!) - there are NOT a lot of commercial biodiesel suppliers or retail biodiesel stations. Even though in my (very non-MBA) head it seems like a pretty simple and straightforward thing to do commercially (except maybe the government hoops - ASTM standards and all that). I think co-ops and homebrews have their place but a biodiesel station franchise, for example, that uses its profits to add more biodiesel stations, sounds like a fantastic way to leverage capitalism to undermine our dependence on foreign oil. What are the roadblocks preventing biodiesel business from taking off? Lack of green MBAs? OPEC politics? Expensive required EPA testing (I don't understand this issue at all)? Not enough waste veg. oil to meet demand? Not enough diesel passenger cars out there? Seems like if biodiesel were easily available along major commutes in major cities, ordinary folks would gladly pay less per gallon for biodiesel and feel good about themselves for saving the environment and preventing future wars to boot. I'll tell ya, I was born an engineer and the acronym MBA always made my stomach turn, but I'd get an MBA in a heartbeat if I knew I could use it to start a biodiesel business from which I could make a decent living. From: Ken Provost [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 4:49 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] biodiesel business on 5/3/04 12:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to make some money with biodiesel. Why?ÊÊ Can't you just be a day trader or something? -K Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links ð To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ Ê ð To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ê ð Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Distillation
the temperature is function of biodiesel origin (so, the chemical composition of methyl esters) . But You must consider aprox. 240-250¡C in the vapor line !!! BR. Rodolfo - Original Message - From: mark schofield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:45 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Distillation Hi 1 mbar at what temperature? Regards Mark, UK Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly...Ping your friends today! Download Messenger Now http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com/download/index.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Processing plan?
We make a small plan to produce biodiesel.If you write to us.We can help you -Original Message- From: Steven Brimhall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:24 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Processing plan? I looking for a good set of plans by which I can process 20+ Gal of Bio per week. I have access to an unlimited supply of WVO but need a proven set of plans to build off of. Any suggestions. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Processing plan?
i am more than happy to design a system for you M.Hassan Rutherford hall Sub warden Loughborough university Loughborough LE113TU UK 0044 7939471848 --- Ocbe, Emrah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We make a small plan to produce biodiesel.If you write to us.We can help you -Original Message- From: Steven Brimhall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 04, 2004 9:24 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Processing plan? I looking for a good set of plans by which I can process 20+ Gal of Bio per week. I have access to an unlimited supply of WVO but need a proven set of plans to build off of. Any suggestions. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
Yahoo! Groups : biofuel Messages : Message 34074 of 34094 From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon May 3, 2004 10:16 pm Subject: RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. Thanks, Todd. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =Chris, = =Never. = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what cleaves the metal =(sodium or =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates the FFAs. = =Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = Todd: = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the picture of glycerine =separation = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the glycerine layer should look =like. = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's and glycerine to separate =but = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? Have you encountered a =similar = result? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = - Original Message - = From: Tan = To: Biofuel = Subject: Glycerine Separation = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. =Could = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? = = Thanks, = = Chris =
RE: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation
hi there i have not used sulphuric asid as the method in the britch standard recoment a spesific method i can send to you as an attach if you want PS what is TJF??? M Hassan --- Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm...that's a mystery. I must repeat my experiment. Thanks, Todd. Regards, Chris =-Original Message- =From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 8:35 PM =To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Subject: Re: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = =Chris, = =Never. = =Don't see how it can happen as the acid is what cleaves the metal =(sodium or =potassium) molecule from the soap and liberates the FFAs. = =Todd Swearingen = =- Original Message - =From: Tan [EMAIL PROTECTED] =To: Biofuel biofuel@yahoogroups.com =Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 4:12 PM =Subject: [biofuel] RE: Glycerine Separation = = = Todd: = = I went back to JTF to find that I missed the picture of glycerine =separation = with phosphoric acid. I know now what the glycerine layer should look =like. = BUT, I still have a question. I got the ffa's and glycerine to separate =but = I did not get any precipitation. Why is that? Have you encountered a =similar = result? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = - Original Message - = From: Tan = To: Biofuel = Subject: Glycerine Separation = Date: Thursday, April 29, 2004 5:09 PM = = = Hi! Can anyone describe the color of the glycerine-methanol layer after = treatment with phosphoric acid? According to JTF, it's sherry colored. =Could = you elaborate more? Is that dark sherry or yellow sherry? = = Thanks, = = Chris = = = = = Biofuel at Journey to Forever: = http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = = Biofuels list archives: = http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = = Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. = To unsubscribe, send an email to: = [EMAIL PROTECTED] = Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = = = = = = =Biofuel at Journey to Forever: =http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html = =Biofuels list archives: =http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ = =Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. =To unsubscribe, send an email to: =[EMAIL PROTECTED] =Yahoo! Groups Links = = = = = __ Do you Yahoo!? Win a $20,000 Career Makeover at Yahoo! HotJobs http://hotjobs.sweepstakes.yahoo.com/careermakeover Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Sustainable BioDiesel
From Biofuel list member Tim Castleman's mail list. Date: 3 May 2004 19:14:59 - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sustainable BioDiesel Biodiesel is great, but there are a few things we should include in every conversation about Biodiesel: 1) Imagine if just 10% of the people using petro-diesel switched to biodiesel - that would create demand for twice as much as the supply of waste oil available. While it is a great idea to process waste vegetable oil and use it again, promoting biodiesel as a replacement for petro-diesel with no modification in consumption is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 2) In that case, (even now already), oil formerly grown for food will be used for fuel instead. Example: a company named World Energy provides biodiesel to the Marine corps that is made from virgin soy oil. The military can afford it, regular folks can't. Using food as fuel to preserve overconsumptive lifestyles is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 3) America already consumes 6 to 10 times per capita the amount of energy consumed in the rest of the world, teaching people they can keep this up is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 4) It would be foolish to burn biodiesel in a stationary generator - it would run fine on vegetable oil with no processing beyond filtration. To promote biodiesel for generating electricity is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. 5) Conservation. Again, western culture simply consumes too much. Devising alternative sources of energy to support unsustainable living is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. To be clear, biodiesel is far superior to petro-diesel in many regards, and will in fact help reduce climate change. However, to offer it as a replacement for petro-diesel at current consumption rates would be a disaster. It is imperative that consumption is reduced significantly, otherwise the legacy we will leave our descendants is unsustainable and socially irresponsible. Tim Castleman www.fuelandfiber.com - -- If you no longer wish to receive our newsletter please reply with Unsubscribe in the subject line. - -- . Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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Yahoo! Groups : biofuel Messages : Message 34086 of 34094 From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue May 4, 2004 3:48 pm Subject: Journey to Forever website Sorry folks, our website's down, as some of you have noticed. We're having some DNS problems, we're working on it, it should be available again soon. Please bear with us. Apologies. Keith Addison Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/
[biofuel] Basic chemistry
Ben, the archives on this biofuels web site (biofuel@yahoogroups.com) contain lots of information on processing vegetable oil into fuel. I suggest you search them first. If you have specific questions, I'll do what I can to reply. -- Jay Stern [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: How long does lye take to dissolve in methanol
I finally took the step of making a test batch of biodiesel. At least I have attempted to mix teh methoxide. I bought a bottle of HEET gas line antifreeze which is reportedly of a high enough purity to use, and a jar of red devil lye. I mixed about 7 grams of lye to a bit better than 300Ml of Methanol. How long before I have useable methoxide? IO tried looking at Keith's site, but apparently its down tonight or else my browser is having trouble recognizing it. Can you all help me? Thanks! J.D. Hello J.D. Our site was down, it's back now, sorry. See: Mixing the methoxide http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methmix ... and also I think other sections at the Make your own biodiesel pages. The full ToC is below. Couple of questions though. Are you using virgin oil for your first test batch? What quantity? If not virgin oil, what oil? (Best to start with virgin oil.) These measures seem strange: of red devil lye. I mixed about 7 grams of lye to a bit better than 300Ml of Methanol. 7 grams of lye would either be for two litres of virgin oil or for one litre of WVO titrating at 3.5ml. How did you weigh the lye? Two litres of virgin oil would take 400 ml of methanol, one litre of WVO would take 200 ml of methanol. Could you explain? These don't bode well J.D.: about, a bit better than. It really pays to try to be as precise and meticulous as possible, especially at the beginning. Later when you're more experienced and have a feel for it you'll know which short-cuts you can take wihout risk, or too much risk. At the beginning you're dealing with unknowns. If it doesn't work out as expected, knowing that you've done your best to be precise with measurements and process control will be a great help in trying to figure out what went wrong. Otherwise you'll be faced with too many variables and you'll flounder. Best Keith Make your own biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Three choices 1. Mixing it 2. Straight vegetable oil 3. Biodiesel Biodiesel Where do I start? What's next? The process Our first biodiesel Biodiesel from new oil Biodiesel from waste oil Washing Using biodiesel Safety How much methanol? Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel Reclaiming excess methanol More about lye How much lye to use? Basic titration Better titration Accurate measurements pH meters Phenolphthalein High FFA levels Deacidifying WVO No titration? The basic lye quantity -- 3.5 grams? Mixing the methoxide Test batches Stock methoxide solution How much glycerine? Why isn't it solid? PET bottle mixers Viscosity testing How the process works What are Free Fatty Acids? Which method to use? Quality Quality testing Other uses Identifying plastics Separating glycerine/FFAs Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break
Wow, Keith I am truly impressed with your ability to research. Thankyou Ryan, but nothing special in this case, it's all freely available to anyone who cares to look, the resources required to research Stossel and any other American spinners, Greenwashers, Astroturf groups and their funders too are right here in the list archives, many times over. It did take a bit of time though, but you did insist, rather. For all of which reasons, and others, I said this: Anyway, so much for Mr Stossel, a disgrace to my profession. Well, you've got all the resources for it now, next time do it yourself eh? But I'm left wondering how much of the information I provided you've actually read, considering that this is your response: I still think you would enjoy the book. Why would I enjoy a book written by a liar pretending to inform me for mercenary reasons that will benefit all the wrong people? I can pick my way through fields of lies and misdirection but it's not exactly enjoyable, and I've had a great deal of experience doing just that, professionally, it's a skill, and most people don't have it. Even so, catching all the lies in a book like Stossel's, 100% of them, would take a lot of time and a lot of checking. For what? I wouldn't enjoy it, it wouldn't benefit me, and I'd be much better off spending that time reading something worthwhile that had a bit of integrity to it. Give it a go biobuddy! It's exactly the biobuddy bit that was my main reason for debunking this creep. He is no buddy of anything compatible with biofuels, IMO, and nor are his buddies. I'll repeat this: Stossel and his friends are liars and cheats, they have no integrity. They know they're liars, they don't care about that, their job is to keep on getting the lies out on behalf of their clients, to get the exposure and the column-inches that (a) get the message believed, and (b), much worse, steadily shift the public towards *wanting* to believe such stuff. Stossel's book fits what we're all trying to achieve with biodiesel? Tell me, Ryan, why wasn't America doing 20 years ago what we're trying to do here now with biofuels and sane energy? Instead everything's gone helter-skelter in the opposite (mad) direction - for instance, fuel economy is worse now in the US than it was 15 years ago. What's the real reason for it? It started to happen, all this stuff was known then, and furthermore it's the kind of thing Americans do. Or did. So why not? Ponder as you may, it's this disinfo stuff that's the cause. No surprise, since about as much money goes into it every year as US taxpayers pour into the Pentagon. That's the best thing you can find to do with your taxes? That's not what America's all about is it? Is that really what most Americans want? Short of this incessant barrage of heavy-duty disinformation and its effects, that's what they'd be wanting? A world where this passes as normal? - More than 150 Republican lobbyists worked on Bush's transition team. Diane Steed of the Coalition for Vehicle Choice, which was created by the Motor Vehicle Manufacturers of America to fight against higher fuel efficiency standards, advised the Department of Transportation. I doubt it. Best Keith Cheers, Ryan -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 2:30 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [biofuel] OT: Food for thought, John Stossel's New Book, Give Me a Break Hello Ryan Wow, have any of you read his book? Has anyone on the list read it? He has valid points, especially when it comes to risk aversion and the means we go to to save ourselves from miniscule threats. His whole point is that the number one factor that decides how long we will live is whether or not we live in poverty, and makes a great case for how capitalism saves those who participate from poverty. He talks about how government is getting too big in this country, about how much money that gets wasted as they fail time after time after time. He talks about how the private sector can do such a better job than the public sector of saving ourselves from ourselves. He even talks about ADM and their success in squashing competition by using government subsidies on ethanol. I encourage you to give it a read, it may be eye opening, totally changed my view on Nader too. :-) In which direction? ... a fear-monger who screamed about everything maybe? Now, what was it I said about young master Stossel? Stossel's a liar and a cheat, just another industry front-man, close links with the usual suspects, no integrity. That's about right. First though, since you've read the book, how do you think Stossel would react to Peter Montague's two-part article on the Precautionary Principle that I just posted the second part of? http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/34034/ So, where to start? There's many megabytes of record on Stossel's lying. Start with the book I suppose. Stossel threw a launch party for the
[biofuel] Re: oil from algae...
Hi Lowell A lot of lit on this subject during 1980s. Search on NTIS which is U.S. gov repository for gov funded research. The critters you want info on are called Microalgae not algae and they produce Lipids which you and I call oil. If you want info about getting the oil out of the microalgae search on the net for Lipid Extraction. Most of NTIS research on this is under program called Aquatic Species Program. Try to get 1987 and 1985 reports. Each report cost me at least $30 to $60. Solar Energy Institute in Golden CO. published a neat small report in 1985 called Fuel options from Microalgae dated July 1984. If you get into this you will need to buy quite a few chemicals, some common like Epsom Salt, baking soda and some pretty exotic. If you want to look at houses for your critters search on the net for photobioreactor . Tried this once and failed. Also wife and daughters saw no humor in growing pond scum in the house. May try this one day when I get some space out of the house but am more interested in finding cheap sources of oil seeds. Hope this helps. Good luck. You're not the first to reach that conclusion. Previously a list member set up ponds and so on and was going ahead full-steam but we never heard any more about it. Another list member researched the subject, he had good technical resources, and concluded that it's a waste of time right now, it just isn't there yet, at least not at a doable small-scale level. Marc Carduso of Ecogenics has posted several upbeat messages on the subject in the last few weeks. He's talked of Algae production for food fuel and fertiliser, algaeculture technology for oil production and algae based Living fuel cell technology, and referred list members to his website for further information. www.dabney.com/ecogenics/ I didn't find much information there, maybe I should have looked harder. I saw some photographs that looked to me like water hyacinth and duckweed, nice for greywater/blackwater treatment systems. I guess there's something I'm missing. I'm not being sceptical, just need more info I think. What's not clear to me is whether Marc has actually succeeded in producing lipids from algae in usable form and quantity. When last we heard Marc hadn't made any biodiesel yet but would be doing so soon. I don't know if Marc has made yet biodiesel from algae lipids. Can you tell us a bit more Marc? Meanwhile, personally I take your view Lowell, cheap sources of oil seeds are more interesting. There's huge and very largely unexplored potential in oil-bearing plants, as well as in productive and efficient ways of producing them. For instance, a quick search of James Duke's Handbook of Energy Crops finds 62 legumes, both plants and trees, either of which can be fitted to the cropping and growing patterns on integrated sutainable farms in a variety of ways, perhaps as cover crops, interplanted or undersown, for forage or green manure, earning their keep independently of their oil potential, which would come as a bonus produced without the dedicated use of of any land, or time and labour. Trees can be even more interesting. That's just some of the legumes. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/dukeindex.html Handbook of Energy Crops Index Best Keith Lowell From: balaji [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 19:48:23 +0530 Hi all, So am I. Balaji, Chennai, TN, India - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:26 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... I am interested as well. Met vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. The information contained in this message (including attachments) is confidential, and is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you have received this message in error please delete it and notify the originator immediately. The unauthorized use, disclosure, copying or alteration of this message is strictly forbidden. We will not be liable for direct, special, indirect or consequential damages arising from alteration of the contents of this message by a third party or in case of electronic communications as a result of any virus being passed on. - Original Message - From: wwschnabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: oil from algae... I asked a while ago if anyone had any info on Oil from algae. What I would like to do is an experiment. Does anyone have any info on how exactly to extract the oil from algae? Could I do it in a home lab? Thanks, Bill Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or
RE: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car
Your heater sound great, maybe you could post the plans(?). Thanks, Ed From: charles [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: (fwd) (fwd) First day driving the ACPropulsion car Date: Sun, 02 May 2004 13:24:30 - good solutions to our energy problems tend to leave out big brother,big business,big oil and big daddy bush. just think how much good it would do if all our soldiers came back to the u.s. and converted 1 diesel engine a day to run on free used cooking oil, like my 83 nissan diesel truck does.being ex 101st airborne, i am sure all the soldiers could be taught how to do it, and most of them would enjoy it.but running on cooking oil is good for the environment, and nobody makes a profit, except the poor old greasy guy who converts his vehicle to save money and the air his kids will breath. sure, a few people make some money, selling conversion parts, but there is no HUGE profit margin for anyone, except that greasy guy again, goin on grease. also, my little waste cooking oil heater/jet blasts hot eneough to melt aluminum and heat a gymnasium.2 hours of high heat,with an input of a 30 second run on a cheap 12volt air compressor, and less than 1 liter of free used cooking oil(actually the smaller one will heat most houses, and gets 8 hrs on 2 liters of oil). i actually melted a hole in my copper vaporizor coil the other day on the big one, so i have to rebuild it using steel now.big brother and big business could never profit off the fuel or the parts,though, so i doubt you will ever see this unit at home depot or lowes. _ MSN Toolbar provides one-click access to Hotmail from any Web page ö FREE download! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200413ave/direct/01/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d
Steve, Found your recommendation for changing injector tips(nozzles) after 75,000 - 100,000 of interest. I have found that atomisation degradation is increased when using SVO. I would expect that the majority of diesel owners would not think to replace injectors until they were having starting/performance problems. I have a 1989 VW Golf mk.II I was given that had issues ticked over very rough. We guessed low compression. Still I decided to pull an injector last week to see what they looked like. Didn't look very bad (as far as carbon build up my Mercedes injectors were far worse when I pulled them), but putting it on the tester showed some dodgy spray. I replaced the full set with increased opening pressures (150 bar, standard should be 130) and low load/starting/tick over have improved greatly - still sounds like one cylinder is slightly of kilter at tick over - but one of the injector bodies is leaking, the sealing surfaces need refacing where they have apparently eroded. I'm interested in what you say about increasing injection pressure for economy. I pumped up the pressure for improved starting/operation with SVO (although I'm currently running biodiesel - or when I can't get it diesel). The higher pressure should provide a finer spray with the more viscous SVO. I'm going to fit the heaters, thicker fuel line and afterglow plugs/relay soon. Can you tell more about the improved efficiency with higher pressures? I've not heard of this before and I have done a fair amount of research into such things. Best Darren Hill www.vegburner.co.uk -Original Message- From: Steve [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 30 April 2004 23:24 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: 78 mercedes 300d SNIP Change the injector tips. after 75000 to 10 miles they dont atomize well. I often shim or have the injectors shimmed to a higher pop off pressure. Has been a while since I did this.. but seem like I increased the pressure 100 pounds over the original factory issue. It increases the fuel efficiency a 5-10%. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
