RE: [Biofuel] Help with animal fats
I would think that the water present would slow down the reaction. And the presence of Fatty acids that are not converted by transesterification but require Fisher (low pH) Esterification would give less than expected results. However, good water removal and Fisher Esterification followed by Transesterification should give good results. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Help with animal fats hello everyone, Please I need to know why tranesterification to biodiesel is not so efficient with animal fats such as tallow and lard. Regards Nike Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello John, I'm not sure how southern you are in Ontario, but I live in southern Minnesota, and had the same results from my garden that you mentioned. For us, it was a combination of the first half, to two-thirds of the growing season being too cool, with the latter half to one-third being almost a complete wash-out. Our temps did finally normalize, but by the time they did even our muskrats were looking for higher ground! Really pushed our farmers back as well, good thing winter came late. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: John Mullan To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Seeds Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for you. But I did want to mention that I use normal store bought pre-sprouted plants every year. This year I had horrible time with my veggies. Tomatoes especially took it hard this year. Looked diseased. Sweet green and hot peppers did fine. String beans did OK. Even onions faired poorly. I can't figure out what actually happend. I live in Southern Ontario. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: January 3, 2005 1:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seeds Hello everyone! My sweetheart and I have been planning our garden for this year. Last year's vegetables were, by far, the most successful we have ever managed; a fact particularly heartening when the poor condition of our soil is considered. (We're still eating fresh carrots, which we have left in the ground. Even in January, they are sweet and firm!) We'd used old seed. Our corn was especially pathetic. Tomatoes (the texture of which I liken to biting a human lip) stayed green until the rain arrived in October, then simply rotted. (This was a shame because my eldest son is particularly fond of them.) Squash, peas, purple beans, beets, potatoes, pumpkins, radishes and carrots did exceedingly well. Our broccoli was very late, but especially delicious. Cabbage did well for the first part of the summer, then the weather turned REALLY hot and the heads tended to split. Aside from the pumpkins, (which were fine grained and sweet) fruit didn't fare very well. Melons and cantaloupe never really developed. Our fruit trees are weak, but I'm working on that. . . We want to use fresh seed this year. Do any of you have any recommendations for cool, west coast climate vegetables? We would prefer a seed distributor located in western Canada or the United States. Thanks in advance! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Have you tried www.jatropha.org Regards, Edward Beggs B.E.S. M.Sc. Neoteric Biofuels Inc. http://www.biofuels.ca On Jan 4, 2005, at 12:21 AM, crystal wormald wrote: Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: crystal wormald [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 4:21 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Jatropha Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tsunami relief Clean water
difficult to even figure which charity is the most worthy--that is to me, which charity will spend the least money on BS advertising, CEO salaries, etc. and the most of my donation to the actual people who need it. Does anyone have any insight there. I've returned my Christmas toys and will be sending the money from them to one chosen charity... -- Patrick Campbell Home: 201.345.4133 Mobile: 602.723.3098 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] ethanol for 2 cycle engines
rubber parts and draw water to itself from the air. Manufacturers have taken the prior into consideration with oxygenated fuels (gasohol) becoming more widely used. Your owners manual should say something about it. They might list a maximum ethanol content (about 10%), but i think it has more to do with water accumulating in the fuel in storage. If the rubber can stand ethanol, it doesn't matter what the ratio is. To avoid problems from the latter, make sure to use fresh fuel. For storage, empty the fuel system completely and oil the metal parts(the tank, mainly), or fill it with regular gasoline with a bit of stabilizer. 2-strokes seem to be a little more sensitive to lean fuel-air mixtures, so they require richer jetting with ethanol. But if you're using stock carburetor settings, leave them in, they're set rich just be safe, and the higher octane rating will tolerate leaner jetting without knocking. If you really know what you're doing, you could advance the timing a bit to take advantage of the higher octane rating. I have never heard of any 2-stroke oils being incompatible with ethanol, use them at a normal fuel-oil ratio or leave your oil injection at stock settings. Some use ethanol in 2-stroke go-carts, they might know more about the subject. -Arttu From: Octavian Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol for 2 cycle engines Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:59:23 +0200 Dear Sirs, Can anybody tell me what kind of fuel mixture (ethanol based) can be used to fuel 2-cycle engine and what modifications had to be made? Best regards and thank you in advance, Octavian Andronic www.ariascooters.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] German motors designed for vegetal oil and possible solutions to air quality
Readers, I read the Elsbett website provided by Mr. Deprez. I sent an email to the Eslbett principals to ask for permission to send the their company weblink to my counterparts in my beloved San Joaquin Valley California area. As many of you know my beloved San Joaquin Valley Air Basin is ranked #1 or #2 most air polluted in the U.S. During my petroleum energy career I joined the Western States Petroleum Assocation (WSPA) to learn more about petroleum as it relates to many. Even the WSPA had some things to say about the San Joaquin Valley air pollution - see weblink below: http://www.wspa.org/issues/sjv_sjvaqc1.htm In my opinion public education is the #1 priority. Especially when the majority of residents are struggling to survive and achieve stability. http://geography.berkeley.edu/ProjectsResources/Publications/Parsons_SauerLect.html How can I convince the SJ Valley residents to get out of their cars? I cannot. So the other option is clean fuels and managing the other sources such as dust, human activity, ag activity, VOC, etc. Read what a leading expert has to say: FRESNO, Calif. (AP) -- An academic expert who travels the world studying air quality issues said the San Joaquin Valley's pollution problems are unlike other critical areas he's studied, and may need a unique solution since the current attempts to clean up are not working. Physicist Thomas Cahill, a University of California at Davis professor spoke at spoke in Fresno's Saroyan Theatre, and said he's a bit baffled by what he sees in the valley. Even as Los Angeles was able to fight back the smog and ozone pollution that plagues it, reducing levels significantly in the past 12 years, the valley has not made many significant improvements. In fact, the valley violates ozone levels more often over an eight-hour period than any other place in the nation. Clearly, we're doing something wrong, Cahill said. Science is not up to explaining this. Cahill said the valley's particular topography -- the long basin that goes from Stockton to Bakersfield_ traps pollutants. The professor urged the valley to step outside one-size-fits-all approaches to cleaning its air. The Central Valley is going to have to take charge of its own destiny, he said, after explaining the dangers in air pollution, particularly fine specks of dust, soot, ash or chemicals, which research shows can raise the rate of heart problems. The fine particles remain in the lungs, enter the bloodstream and move to the heart, Cahill said. The more dirt you have, the more death you get. Particle pollution in the valley comes from unpaved roads, fireplaces, construction, agriculture and chemicals combining in the atmosphere. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2004/03/18/state1050EST0053.DTL Thanks for your time and a Prosperous New Year Phillip Wolfe --- Frantz DESPREZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.elsbett.com/engl/index.htm frantz ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Grants
we would like to make between 4000 and 6000 gal a day once we get up and running but we are looking for a little help do you know of any thanks greg From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeds Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2005 16:51:23 -0500 G'day Mel/Jess; Mel wasn't being funny, he was being factual. The FBI actually, and seriously, had that as a pre-requisite for identifying a terrorist. The Farmer's Almanac contains a whole whack of vitals that could be used . you know the rest of the drivel. It boggels the mind eh? Luc - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeds crack me up. thanks. Jess From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 18:50:28 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Seeds Remember just donÕt carry your almanac around on the dash of your car. Then you are a terrorist. :) -Original Message- From: Peggy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 7:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Seeds Try a farmer's almanac. It can't hurt and it could help. Peggy Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for you. But I did want to mention that I use normal store bought pre-sprouted plants every year. This year I had horrible time with my veggies. Tomatoes especially took it hard this year. Looked diseased. Sweet green and hot peppers did fine. String beans did OK. Even onions faired poorly. I can't figure out what actually happend. I live in Southern Ontario. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.6.7 - Release Date: 12/30/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tsunami relief Clean water
I would like to see money go for solar pannels and other alturnative energy to help restore power. Lets all contact BP, Shell and all the other alturnative energy companys and have them donate., Scott http://community.webtv.net/WoodArtStudios/WoodArtStudios http://community.webtv.net/WoodArtStudios/WOODARTSTUDIOS http://community.webtv.net/WoodArtStudios/WANTED http://community.webtv.net/WoodArtStudios/RenewableArt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Made in China? - Sweat.
Hello Peter, Yes, I too am inclined to do what I can to forward those who show an earnest desire to move forward in my physical location. Fortunately, my world view has the benefit of other juxtaposition-ing. Flying with eagles and crawling with lizards with all the in-betweens allows more flexibility. One family first-cousin was Secretary of the Navy and I sometimes hang out with undocumented workers. Thank you for the quote. I saved it in my files. Learning to look at the boat's movement/ progress and perils in the journey can be a life's adventure. In the late 1960's while living in Mexico, I visited with a shop owner and commented on how it could be possible to elevate her employee who was hand-scrubbing laundry. Her comment was that until this person learned to do the first chores, she was not eligible to move to the next level of competence. Noteworthy comments include that the owner brought most all of her employees up level-by-level until they gained additional skills and she also paid them accordingly. And as an employer of several dozen village people, she had a wage scale that related to ability and productivity. Many of the women made substantial wages (more than their husbands) and achieved a comfortable standard of living (greater than I allowed myself to enjoy even when I had the resources.) By the way, I just completed my most recent manuscript, Angela Lucina, a story/ biography of a friend who was born as an illegitimate child in a stick-and-mud hut in a wilderness in central Mexico. Today, she is an upper-middle-class, US citizen who donates time to assisting wayward girls. Hopefully my planned meeting with a local publisher is fruitful. It's an in-depth social study of a contemporary Pygmalion transformation. In this earthly travel, we can only do the best we can do with our available resources, talents, and creative application. Hopefully by showing how ONE person changed reality, I can stimulate understanding of exponential change. Assuming that equality dictates equal access to goods and services is naive. What IS equal is our access to an innate resource for creativity only limited by our beliefs. The story demonstrates possibilities and potential. Really it's a social comment on Mexico/ US relations as are my other novels. Well, I don't know why I felt compelled to say this except that it relates to a few recent bantering remarks with another list member and that I feel good about accomplishing another goal. As usual, I build in earth stewardship comments, yet this narrative is not so focused on saving the world, but more about attitude in elevating consciousness and happiness. Thanks for the email note. Best wishes, Peggy Hi Peggy ; I couldn't agree with you more. People busy pulling on the oars are too busy to rock the boat! I also don't forget that they don't have many options either. In some ways this is not always a bad thing. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Jatropha
www.malifolkecenter.org they have experience and can supply niels Denmark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of crystal wormald Sent: 4. januar 2005 09:21 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Jatropha Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Biomass : a new record for US ethanol industry
Hello Frantz, The really big news is in cellulosic processing and the associated escalated potential! Innovations in enzyme and microbial development will rapidly change the entire fuel ethanol production picture. I recently re-read the charts on JTF about production capacity. They are not even close to anticipated potential via new processing techniques. And new data is available from the DOE yet it too can only report according to university-type studies and their own NREL labs. And this is where our little start-up company offers our best small-production capabilities. Keeping the focus community-oriented and not corporately controlled industry can encourage self-sufficiency. Each regional bioregion has specific feedstock advantages. The next evolutionary step is to maximize cellulosic breakdown to enhance regional potential. I feel the need to repeat the message about sugarcane as it was recently misconstrued to be a message to recapitulate previous sociological-political degradation. The plant itself is superior in fuel ethanol potential. Making over 4000 gallons of renewable fuel ethanol per acre is reason enough to revamp previous restraints of whatever shadow was cast by the world organizations--the point being that small communities can take care of local needs with small acreage. I am not trying to encourage huge loans from world banks. I am supporting indigenous people to utilize their innate feedstock production capabilities for their own uses. And this relates to whatever cellulosic material is available within any physical location. Please fell free to communicate with me on or off list about your specific feedstock. I will be happy to respond. BioFuels Energy Corporation is set up to promote rural economic development from a grass roots level. Innovation can make a huge difference in production capabilities. And if you are simply interested in traditional processing, this is also a viable alternative and economically feasible despite much reported data. JTF has a rich resource of material on traditional processing. Just like biodiesel, many reports are biased to enhance giant corporations and/ or also biased against the same. Fuel ethanol is in transition development. Best wishes, Peggy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Frantz DESPREZ Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 7:12 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Biomass : a new record for US ethanol industry 30/12/2004 : The Renewable Fuels Association announced that the U.S. ethanol industry set a monthly production record for October of 226,000 barrels per day (b/d), according to data released by the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Production was up 20 percent compared to last October when 188,000 b/d of ethanol were produced. October's daily production record also ties the all-time monthly record set in September of this year. The ethanol industry is expected to produce more than 3.4 billion gallons in 2004, up from 2.81 billion gallons in 2003. Currently, 83 ethanol plants nationwide have the capacity to produce nearly 3.6 billion gallons annually. There are 16 ethanol plants and 2 major expansions under construction with a combined annual capacity of almost 750 million gallons. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] ethanol for 2 cycle engines
Hello Arttu, Thank you for this information. Peggy Subject: RE: [Biofuel] ethanol for 2 cycle engines Ethanol fuel is known to do 2 things in engines not designed for it: corrode rubber parts and draw water to itself from the air. Manufacturers have taken the prior into consideration with oxygenated fuels (gasohol) becoming more widely used. Your owners manual should say something about it. They might list a maximum ethanol content (about 10%), but i think it has more to do with water accumulating in the fuel in storage. If the rubber can stand ethanol, it doesn't matter what the ratio is. To avoid problems from the latter, make sure to use fresh fuel. For storage, empty the fuel system completely and oil the metal parts(the tank, mainly), or fill it with regular gasoline with a bit of stabilizer. 2-strokes seem to be a little more sensitive to lean fuel-air mixtures, so they require richer jetting with ethanol. But if you're using stock carburetor settings, leave them in, they're set rich just be safe, and the higher octane rating will tolerate leaner jetting without knocking. If you really know what you're doing, you could advance the timing a bit to take advantage of the higher octane rating. I have never heard of any 2-stroke oils being incompatible with ethanol, use them at a normal fuel-oil ratio or leave your oil injection at stock settings. Some use ethanol in 2-stroke go-carts, they might know more about the subject. -Arttu From: Octavian Andronic [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol for 2 cycle engines Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2005 16:59:23 +0200 Dear Sirs, Can anybody tell me what kind of fuel mixture (ethanol based) can be used to fuel 2-cycle engine and what modifications had to be made? Best regards and thank you in advance, Octavian Andronic www.ariascooters.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Donation Acknowledgements
Hello Gustl, Is it appropriate to ask how we are doing with numbers of responses and contributions? Just wondering if there is a need to repeat the request for help or if goals are reasonable satisfied. Thanks, Peggy Subject: [Biofuel] Donation Acknowledgements Hallo Folks, If anyone who has sent me a donation for the list/JtF has not received an acknowledgement email please let me know. Also, if I have failed to send out the receipts for a tax deductible donation again please let me know. I think I am on top of this but it seems these days that what I think and what I know do not always agree. I hope you all have a good new year and many more following them. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integratingagroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms
Hello Dave, I just got around to reading this post after returning from my leave before Christmas. Paul is VERY interested in pursuing biofuels in relationship to mushrooms and will accept new challenges if they can be fruitful (Excuse the pun). Paul is approachable and has the resources to carry on good ideas as well as support others in their mycological pursuits. Like all bioscience, mycology frontiers offer new approaches to organic relationships. Let me know if I can be of help. We studied with Paul several years ago and look forward to implementing mycological filters in water purification. His research on this is also extremely impressive. Paul recently corresponded with me concerning relationship between mushrooms and biofuels. I wrote a note about his work in petroleum-contamination remediation for which he won due recognition. He would very much like to participate in a pilot project and demonstration. Let me know what you have in mind. Thanks for you note. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integratingagroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms Hello Keith, Kind of basic questions. I doubt you'll find much of the really essential mushrooms growing in any corn or any other type of field associated with ADM, ie the mycorrhizal fungi. That's probably a good place of start. If you get that right you'll probably get everyhing else right too, and if you don't you won't, no matter what else you do. Start here: Trees and Toadstools by M.C. Rayner, D.Sc., Faber and Faber, 1945. Dr Rayner can be credited with putting the mycorrhizal association on the agricultural map. Mycorrhizas are fungus-roots, a symbiotic relationship between plant roots and friendly soil fungi without which most plants cannot thrive, while many cannot even survive without their fungal partners. The fungus actually feeds the plant, and in return the plant feeds the fungus the products of the green leaf which the fungus is unable to make for itself. Enhanced by good humus maintenance and often damaged by chemical fertilizers and pesticides, the mycorrhizal association is fundamental to why organic growing works. http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#rayner Full text online. Best wishes Keith Basic questions indeed, but I'm still seeking to hear about people's real life experiences with farming the fuel in polyculture. Haven't heard much on that level though I know it's here. My question on mushrooms was more directed toward saprophytic fungi, though hearing about what mycorrhizal fungi biofuel farmers are incorporating, if any, would be interesting. Of course it is not likely that there is much of anything living and non-corn present in the soil of ADM fields--they apply heavy fungicides, herbicides, pesticides, etc. But as a sustainable agriculture enthusiast, I can venture to guess that by allowing the biodiversity to expand in their fields, ADM could increase the resilience of their systems, cut costs on chemical inputs, increase and diversify yields, and end up with slightly more fertile soil. Imagine a basic study such as a comparison of (1) a conventional monoculture corn field with (2) an organic and fungi-inoculated monoculture corn field with (3) an organic and fungi inoculated polyculture of corn-beans-squash. Is a study like that of any use or is it redundant? What would entice ADM to try more ecologically sound methods? I would think that economic feasibility and increased profits may be their jargon. I appreciate your comments. - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integratingagroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms
Peggy, Re: your note I (Peggy) wrote a note about his (Paul) work in petroleum-contamination remediation. I plan to scan JTF archives for the petroleum remediation information. Thank you ahead of time for any response. --- Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Dave, I just got around to reading this post after returning from my leave before Christmas. Paul is VERY interested in pursuing biofuels in relationship to mushrooms and will accept new challenges if they can be fruitful (Excuse the pun). Paul is approachable and has the resources to carry on good ideas as well as support others in their mycological pursuits. Like all bioscience, mycology frontiers offer new approaches to organic relationships. Let me know if I can be of help. We studied with Paul several years ago and look forward to implementing mycological filters in water purification. His research on this is also extremely impressive. Paul recently corresponded with me concerning relationship between mushrooms and biofuels. I wrote a note about his work in petroleum-contamination remediation for which he won due recognition. He would very much like to participate in a pilot project and demonstration. Let me know what you have in mind. Thanks for you note. Best wishes, Peggy Subject: RE: [Biofuel] agroecological production of biofuel integratingagroforestry, polyculture and mushrooms Hello Keith, Kind of basic questions. I doubt you'll find much of the really essential mushrooms growing in any corn or any other type of field associated with ADM, ie the mycorrhizal fungi. That's probably a good place of start. If you get that right you'll probably get everyhing else right too, and if you don't you won't, no matter what else you do. Start here: Trees and Toadstools by M.C. Rayner, D.Sc., Faber and Faber, 1945. Dr Rayner can be credited with putting the mycorrhizal association on the agricultural map. Mycorrhizas are fungus-roots, a symbiotic relationship between plant roots and friendly soil fungi without which most plants cannot thrive, while many cannot even survive without their fungal partners. The fungus actually feeds the plant, and in return the plant feeds the fungus the products of the green leaf which the fungus is unable to make for itself. Enhanced by good humus maintenance and often damaged by chemical fertilizers and pesticides, the mycorrhizal association is fundamental to why organic growing works. http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#rayner Full text online. Best wishes Keith Basic questions indeed, but I'm still seeking to hear about people's real life experiences with farming the fuel in polyculture. Haven't heard much on that level though I know it's here. My question on mushrooms was more directed toward saprophytic fungi, though hearing about what mycorrhizal fungi biofuel farmers are incorporating, if any, would be interesting. Of course it is not likely that there is much of anything living and non-corn present in the soil of ADM fields--they apply heavy fungicides, herbicides, pesticides, etc. But as a sustainable agriculture enthusiast, I can venture to guess that by allowing the biodiversity to expand in their fields, ADM could increase the resilience of their systems, cut costs on chemical inputs, increase and diversify yields, and end up with slightly more fertile soil. Imagine a basic study such as a comparison of (1) a conventional monoculture corn field with (2) an organic and fungi-inoculated monoculture corn field with (3) an organic and fungi inoculated polyculture of corn-beans-squash. Is a study like that of any use or is it redundant? What would entice ADM to try more ecologically sound methods? I would think that economic feasibility and increased profits may be their jargon. I appreciate your comments. - Dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Help with animal fats
thanks a million. Nike Mccall Tom WP US [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would think that the water present would slow down the reaction. And the presence of Fatty acids that are not converted by transesterification but require Fisher (low pH) Esterification would give less than expected results. However, good water removal and Fisher Esterification followed by Transesterification should give good results. Tom -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 11:29 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Help with animal fats hello everyone, Please I need to know why tranesterification to biodiesel is not so efficient with animal fats such as tallow and lard. Regards Nike Anti-Fossil wrote: Hello John, I'm not sure how southern you are in Ontario, but I live in southern Minnesota, and had the same results from my garden that you mentioned. For us, it was a combination of the first half, to two-thirds of the growing season being too cool, with the latter half to one-third being almost a complete wash-out. Our temps did finally normalize, but by the time they did even our muskrats were looking for higher ground! Really pushed our farmers back as well, good thing winter came late. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: John Mullan To: Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Seeds Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for you. But I did want to mention that I use normal store bought pre-sprouted plants every year. This year I had horrible time with my veggies. Tomatoes especially took it hard this year. Looked diseased. Sweet green and hot peppers did fine. String beans did OK. Even onions faired poorly. I can't figure out what actually happend. I live in Southern Ontario. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: January 3, 2005 1:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seeds Hello everyone! My sweetheart and I have been planning our garden for this year. Last year's vegetables were, by far, the most successful we have ever managed; a fact particularly heartening when the poor condition of our soil is considered. (We're still eating fresh carrots, which we have left in the ground. Even in January, they are sweet and firm!) We'd used old seed. Our corn was especially pathetic. Tomatoes (the texture of which I liken to biting a human lip) stayed green until the rain arrived in October, then simply rotted. (This was a shame because my eldest son is particularly fond of them.) Squash, peas, purple beans, beets, potatoes, pumpkins, radishes and carrots did exceedingly well. Our broccoli was very late, but especially delicious. Cabbage did well for the first part of the summer, then the weather turned REALLY hot and the heads tended to split. Aside from the pumpkins, (which were fine grained and sweet) fruit didn't fare very well. Melons and cantaloupe never really developed. Our fruit trees are weak, but I'm working on that. . . We want to use fresh seed this year. Do any of you have any recommendations for cool, west coast climate vegetables? We would prefer a seed distributor located in western Canada or the United States. Thanks in advance! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Send holiday email and support a worthy cause. Do good. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
[EMAIL PROTECTED] At 01:06 AM 1/5/05, you wrote: My father is in the construction trade and he asked me last night who he might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/05 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/05 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tsunami relief Clean water
For those of us who aren't in a position to do much more than send money, it's difficult to even figure which charity is the most worthy-- Yes Patrick, that IS a big concern. Two agencies that I have confidence in are: AFSC -American Friends Service Committee Oxfam I'm sure there are many others. Wynn --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0453-1, 12/31/2004 Tested on: 1/4/2005 9:50:15 PM avast! - copyright (c) 2000-2004 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] Donation Acknowledgements
Hallo Peggy, Tuesday, 04 January, 2005, 20:50:04, you wrote: P Hello Gustl, P Is it appropriate to ask how we are doing with numbers of responses and P contributions? Just wondering if there is a need to repeat the request P for help or if goals are reasonable satisfied. P Thanks, P Peggy Of course it is appropriate. :o) I have been contacted by 15 list members for my address and have received donations from six of them and have donated myself. We have received a total of $350 to date. While that is impressive from just seven people I had really hoped to spread the burden a little thinner and to have been able to report to Keith and Martin substantially more. With over 2,000 list members I had hoped that with a dollar or two apiece from somewhere pushing close to half of us that would be a burden we could share and bear. I just checked into what it would cost to upgrade my computer and to put it in decent shape hardware wise (cpu, mainboard, memory, hard disk of a decent size) I would have to pay $500 or more. I know that running a server and upgrading that is even more costly. I won't be upgrading my computer anytime soon by the way. :o) From my point of view this is an effort in community building, right living and effort. Just as in any family we have our difficulties but in the end we are interested in the welfare of the family and helping those in the family (and again from my point of view we are all members of the human family). This list and JtF are perhaps only small things in the narrow view but it is more often than not the small things which make the most difference. In this case this small thing is working to make the lives of us all better. The efforts and cooperation of Keith and Martin, and indeed all on this list, are aimed at making a kinder and better world for us all. There may be those who are interested only in their own gain but I believe them to be in the minority. If we are nothing else we are a small example of how things can and hopefully will someday be. I appreciate, and know that both Keith and Martin do also, the generosity of those kind folks who have donated to this worthy effort. If anyone else cares to pitch in I have no plans to go anywhere for a while and will be happy to receive and pass on any further donations. More money is needed but not expected as this is a purely voluntary effort. I view each gift as an unexpected surprise and am grateful. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Donation Acknowledgements
Dear Gustl, Still awaiting my first consulting agreement check and as soon as it arrives will send you a little bit. WOlfe --- Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo Peggy, Tuesday, 04 January, 2005, 20:50:04, you wrote: P Hello Gustl, P Is it appropriate to ask how we are doing with numbers of responses and P contributions? Just wondering if there is a need to repeat the request P for help or if goals are reasonable satisfied. P Thanks, P Peggy Of course it is appropriate. :o) I have been contacted by 15 list members for my address and have received donations from six of them and have donated myself. We have received a total of $350 to date. While that is impressive from just seven people I had really hoped to spread the burden a little thinner and to have been able to report to Keith and Martin substantially more. With over 2,000 list members I had hoped that with a dollar or two apiece from somewhere pushing close to half of us that would be a burden we could share and bear. I just checked into what it would cost to upgrade my computer and to put it in decent shape hardware wise (cpu, mainboard, memory, hard disk of a decent size) I would have to pay $500 or more. I know that running a server and upgrading that is even more costly. I won't be upgrading my computer anytime soon by the way. :o) From my point of view this is an effort in community building, right living and effort. Just as in any family we have our difficulties but in the end we are interested in the welfare of the family and helping those in the family (and again from my point of view we are all members of the human family). This list and JtF are perhaps only small things in the narrow view but it is more often than not the small things which make the most difference. In this case this small thing is working to make the lives of us all better. The efforts and cooperation of Keith and Martin, and indeed all on this list, are aimed at making a kinder and better world for us all. There may be those who are interested only in their own gain but I believe them to be in the minority. If we are nothing else we are a small example of how things can and hopefully will someday be. I appreciate, and know that both Keith and Martin do also, the generosity of those kind folks who have donated to this worthy effort. If anyone else cares to pitch in I have no plans to go anywhere for a while and will be happy to receive and pass on any further donations. More money is needed but not expected as this is a purely voluntary effort. I view each gift as an unexpected surprise and am grateful. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts My father is in the construction trade and he asked me last night who he might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tsunami relief Clean water
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit December 31, 2004 AID TO TSUNAMI SURVIVORS On this last day of 2004, Sally Fallon and I wish you a most empowering and profound of New Year's. With the devastation and loss of life that occurred this past week in east Asia, the world has been sent message of the profound need to realize that we are one community of people, not individuals separated by artificial boundaries, race, sex, religion, culture and politics. We are a global family being called to assist our brothers and sisters in their greatest hour of need. Because of the magnitude and scale of destruction, this event has the potential to become a unifying cauldron as millions of people become more aware of the powerful reality of our global oneness that binds humanity together in a common destiny and a common hope for a brighter, more peaceful future for all. Calls for help and donations have been pouring through many different channels. I have provided below a list of organizations that are seriously involved with rescue and aid services to the 5 million tsunami survivors. If you have not done so already, please consider a monetary donation to one of more of the these worthwhile organizations. How you can help A very dear friend of mine, Nancy Rivard, is president of Airline Ambassadors International (AAI), http://www.airlineamb.org/, a non-profit aid organization that escorts children in need, hand-deliver humanitarian aid to orphanages, clinics, and remote communities, assist at special events and involve youth in humanitarian efforts around the world. This week they created Operation Earthquake/Tsunami, a collaborative effort among commercial airlines to support relief efforts. AAI's Medical Director, Dr. Daniel Sussot, is in Sri Lanka now working with Nobel nominee, Dr. A.T. Ariyaratne to coordinate efforts on the ground. AAI has identified 350 pallets of critically needed relief supplies ready for transport, including water purification equipment, hygiene supplies, medical equipment, blankets and food. Right now, only well organized aid, such as what AAI has, is required. What is needed from individuals are monetary donations. Airline Ambassadors has set up a restricted account to receive financial donations for this purpose. For more information about Operation Earthquake/Tsunami, email [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Nancy is an exceptional person and her organization has aided thousands of people around the world. If you are so inclined, please send checks to: Airline Ambassadors International Operation Earthquake/Tsunami 1625 W. Crosby Rd. Suite 132 Carrollton, TX 75006 AAI will acknowledge your donation with a tax deductible receipt. Other Aid Organizations Following is an alphabetical list of some of the agencies accepting contributions to assist those affected by the earthquake and tsunamis in Asia: American Jewish World Service 800-889-7146 http://www.ajws.org/ American Friends Service Committee (AFSC Crisis Fund) 888-588-2372 http://www.afsc.org/ American Red Cross 800-HELP NOW http://www.redcross.org/ Baptist World Aid 703-790-8980 http://www.bwanet.org/bwaid/ B'nai B'rith International 212-490-3290 http://www.bnaibrith.org/ Care 1-800-521-CARE http://www.care.org/ Catholic Relief Services 410-625-2220 http://www.kintera.org/htmlcontent.asp?cid=41794 Direct Relief International 805-964-4767 http://www.directrelief.org/index.html Doctors Without Borders 888-392-0392 http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/ International Medical Corps 800-481-4462 http://www.imcworldwide.org/index.shtml Episcopal relief and development South Asia Relief Fund http://www.er-d.org/ Habitat for Humanity International Asia Tsunami Reponse Fund http://www.habitat.org/ Heart to Heart International http://www.hearttoheart.org/ International Relief Teams Asia Earthquake/Floods http://www.irteams.org/ Latter-Day Saint Charities Welfare Services Emergency Response http://www.providentliving.org/channel/0,11677,4589-1,00.html Lutheran World Relief 800-597-5972 http://www.lwr.org/ Oxfam America 800-77-Oxfam http://www.oxfamamerica.org/ Plan USA Asia Disaster http://www.planusa.org/index.php Project HOPE 800-544-4673 http://www.projecthope.org/ Save the Children 800-728-3843 http://www.savethechildren.org/ Salvation Army World Service Office (SAWSO) 800-SALV-ARMY http://www.salvationarmyusa.org/ United Nations World Food Program 202-530-1694
[Biofuel] The Straight Up on Biodiesel - Can you dig it?!
Here's a great biode definition from a real thinker on another bioblog: Straight Up Eric over at Schoebiz posted an easy-to-understand piece on the composition of biodiesel: http://www.schoebiz.com/archives/80.php I guess they use the word bio because the ingredients come from biological sources. The ingredients are methanol, lye, and fat. You can make this stuff out of waste vegetable oil (WVO) from a Burger King. Fat is just a series of triglycerides. A triglyceride is comprised of three (tri) fatty acid chains and one glycerine molecule. When you mix the lye and methanol with the triglycerides, the lye breaks up the glycerine from the three fatty acid chains itâ#128;#153;s connected to. Then the methanol comes in and connects with all the broken up fatty acid chains. So the final product is basically a whole lot of methyl esters (a methanol combined with a fatty acid chain) mixed in with some leftover lye and glycerine. Once you wash the solution and drain out the extra shit, you have pure methyl esters. And that's all biodiesel is. But let me tell you, these methyl esters are crazy. I mean, you can run a freaking car on them. Right on, Eric. Well said my biofuel friends, All I can say is Right On! Can you dig it! __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] The Balfour Decision Reconsidered
In American schools they emphasize the Battle of New Orleans, which incidently was fought after the war ended. Being rebuffed in Canada was more or less ignored. Every country has their own bias. I read some more about the war on the internet and indeed most of the sources give the victory to Canada. Ken --- Lyle Estill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting take. When I studied the war of 1812 in grade nine in Canada, this was exactly the view. The U.S. wanted territory, failed to take it, therefore lost the war--to Canada nonetheless. Studying the same war in 10th grade in the United States, the message was The U.S. has never lost a war. Korea and Vietnam did not count as they were police actions. On Jan 1, 2005, at 9:53 PM, Darryl McMahon wrote: I don't think the War of 1812 counts as a U.S. win either. IIRC my history correctly, that began as a European war (Napoleonic), and the U.S. decided to grab the North American British colonies while Britain was distracted on the continent, part of American expansionist desires (later known as Manifest Destiny). Yes, some British policies (impressing sailors from ships at sea, including some U.S. citizens, to man her ships) did provide a pretext for U.S. campaigns into British territories, but the desires to do so go back at least as far as 1810 in Congressional records. Instead, Washington D.C. was attacked, and the Executive Mansion - later the White House - was set afire by British troops in August 1814. In fact, this act was the basis for the name. The building was not completely destroyed by the fire, and in the subsequent hasty rebuilding, the structure (originally yellow IIRC) was painted white (as white paint was the easiest to obtain quickly). In the end, the U.S. gained no British territory after their campaigns north in 1812-1814. They did succeed in invading and occupying Spanish territories during this period, e.g. parts of what is now Florida, Louisiana and Texas. Actually, the U.S. ended up ceding the Passamaquoddy Islands and Grand Manan Island to the British as part of the war settlement (Treaty of Ghent and subsequent to 1817). In general, the British simply chose to hold their own territories in North America during this period. In those cases where they did take American territory, they withdrew shortly afterward. In fact, the British were distracted in Europe, and did not wish to put any more resources into N.A. than absolutely necessary. History certainly has its quirks. Darryl Ken Riznyk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know of any war, except the civil war, were the American soldier has been the winner. Maybe Iraq will be the first, but I personally doubt it. You Brits seem to have a short memory - did you forget the American Revolution and the War of 1812? I can see why you might want to forget those. But why did you forget the Spanish-American War, The Mexican War and the first Gulf War? Ken -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Lyle Estill V.P. Stuff Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop 919-542-2900 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
all charities leave something to be desired. The red cross for example Marsha Johnson Evans President, CEO Compensation: $621,435 http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm Rating page is http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/catid/2/cpid/35.htm They get 4 stars BTW Kirk Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Cross Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts My father is in the construction trade and he asked me last night who he might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
The question was where the man could adress himself so he could make use of his talent with his hands, not his wallet :-) The best bet financially is to find someone(s) and send it direct, otherwise you end up paying for the bureaucracy's expenses.Still, something is better than nothing, and nothing is pretty much where they are at right now. Luc - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 11:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts all charities leave something to be desired. The red cross for example Marsha Johnson Evans President, CEO Compensation: $621,435 http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/search.summary/orgid/3277.htm Rating page is http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm/bay/content.view/catid/2/cpid/35.htm They get 4 stars BTW Kirk Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Red Cross Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 12:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts My father is in the construction trade and he asked me last night who he might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] odd story re quake
Nicobar tribals refuse to come out from jungles as per their predictions, fresh earthquakes strike the islands January 4, 2005 India Daily Indian Government finally confirms that threatened tribal aborigines are safe in Andaman Nicobar islands they sensed it coming and moved to higher grounds. They are not coming out from jungles in spite of repeated insistence of the Government. New fresh earthquakes shook the islands in the mean time. The tribals have communicated that the devastation based on their remote viewing techniques have not ended. An earthquake of moderate intensity occurred off the coast of Great Nicobar Island in the early hours on Tuesday, Indian Meteorological Department (IMD) said. The tremor measuring 5.3 on the Richter scale was recorded at 1.06 am. The epicentre of the quake was at 6.2 degrees north latitude and 92.2 degrees east longitude, IMD added. Indian coast guard and military personnel finally confirmed after reaching all the islands in Nicobar and Andaman islands that most of the threatened tribal aborigines are fine. They moved to higher grounds sensing the earthquakes In the first contact between the administration and the endangered Sentelese aborigines in Sentenel Island in Anndaman and Nicobar, the tribals greeted the Coastguard helicopters by firing arrows at them. The action photographs of the Sentenel tribals firing arrows were displayed to newsmen here by Director General of Coastguard Vice Admiral A K Singh who said these were shot when the chopper was about 50 metres from ground on the island. The Coastguard helicopters'' landing on the island was the first sign that these aborgins, who are threatened with extinction, have survived Sunday's catastrophic tidal waves. Singh said his personnel had later made a reconnaissance of the island to find that the tribals were safe on the high grounds. Similarly, the coastguard teams had come across Onge tribals, who number about 100, on the great Nicobar islands and found that most of them were also safe. He said there were similar reports on the safety of the to other threatened aborgines inhabiting various islands. http://www.indiadaily.com/editorial/01-04h-05.asp - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. So do we. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Hello everyone! I want to find out if there is a market for Jatropha nuts (for bio-fuel) within Australia and if so how do I go about planting my own crop so to say? I want to plant htem from cuttings as I have found out that this way has a higher survival rate than that of crops started from seeds. I need to know where I would purchase a Jatropha plant or if there is a supplier who I can purchase clippings from. How does one go about this? Who might one talk to about this? Does anyone have a clue? I've been searching for months now with no success Frustrated~! Crystal, WA Wouldn't touch them with a barge pole - particularly if you're in WA. We, that is Australia, regard them as a weed and there is work being done to wipe them out. I don't know how various government bodies would react to them trying to wipe the stuff out and then you turning around and growing them. Anyway, here are a few URL's that spell out the situation. I had the same thoughts as you, get some dodgy land up north and grow masses of the stuff, but a bit of googling soon brought me back to reality :( http://agspsrv34.agric.wa.gov.au/programs/app/Weeds/phisicnut_d.htm http://www.weeds.org.au/noxious.htm - search for Jatropha in the Scientific Name field http://www.weeds.org.au/target.htm - look for Jatropha curcas http://www.newcrops.uq.edu.au/listing/jatrophacurcas.htm Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Seeds
G'day Mel/Jess; Mel wasn't being funny, he was being factual. The FBI actually, and seriously, had that as a pre-requisite for identifying a terrorist. The Farmer's Almanac contains a whole whack of vitals that could be used . you know the rest of the drivel. No, being in Australia, we have had some of the drivel but not the full drivel. Are you referring to things such as how to make ANFO etc? If so then I had better hide my Explosives in Roadworks - Users Guide that I got whilst studying Civil Engineering - How to make ANFO, Nitro glycerine, Water gels, Blasting equipment, Blast design theory and applications, Loading, Firing, Misfires, Special applications of Explosive, Drawimgs of transportable magazines for storage of explosive. It's an interesting read. It boggels the mind eh? Luc - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeds crack me up. thanks. Jess [snip] Regards, Andrew p.s. Hi to the CIA/NSA/FBI bloke who's going to intercept and read this based on a keyword search ;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] tsunami relief, construction efforts
My father is in the construction trade and he asked me last night who he might ask if his services would be useful in rebuilding things in tsunami devastated areas, I don't really have those kinds of contacts but I imagine someone on this list might. does anyone know who he would contact to offer to go over there and help rebuild? John Guttridge I think you will find that the countries don't need all that much outside help when it comes to reconstruction. They have much manpower, even taking into account the massive loss of life, and then paying these people to build is a good way of getting money to the local economies. A lot of these people where fishermen, and have subsequently lost their boats hence are not capable of earning an income the old way. Something that may be worth passing onto your father though is that these people will need tools. When East Timor was destroyed by Indonesia in 1998/1999/2000, if memory serves me correctly, Australia sent up some tradesmen to teach the locals how to swing a hammer but also ran huge tool drives where people, back in Australia, where encouraged to clean out the old back shed and send their rusting tools to local collection points. The tools where then cleaned up and sent to East Timor so that the locals had something to work with. I personally think this is a better way of doing things rather than sending a mob of Western construction people there to actually do the rebuilding. Regards, Andrew Lowe -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Jatropha Curcus
After reading your reply to our question, we had a good giggle and
decided that your gooogle search wasn't that good.
Mr. Tim Heard of the CSIRO Entomology department in Brisbane has
assured us that it is only
Integrated management of bellyache bush (Jatropha gossypiifolia L.)
in north Queensland... that is being controlled.
I don't think the rest of the world would be planting Jatropha Curcus
in such great quantities if
there was any danger of it becoming a pest.
I have copied the Email that I received from Mr. Tim Heard.
Thank you for your email. I am aware that J. curcas is a potentially
very important source of biofuel. J. curcas is a minor weed only in
Australia so our efforts at biocontrol are only aimed at J.
gossypiifolia, which is a serious weed here and also in many other
tropical countries. We always test our biocontrol agents against
curcas too. If an agent against gossypiifolia attacked curcas we would
not suggest that it be used where there is interest in developing a
curcas industry. The only agent released in Australia so far, the
bellyache bush jewel bug, does not attack curcas at all.
Regards,
Tim Heard
CSIRO Entomology
120 Meiers Rd, Indooroopilly 4068, Brisbane, Australia
Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Telephone 07 3214 2843
And this e-mail we recieved today:
Crystal,
We would be happy to look at the possibility of purchasing jatropha
oil from you for use in biodiesel production, depending of course on
the economics. You could either sell the nuts to a commercial
crushing facility, or pay for them to be toll-crushed, or else you
could otherwise install capacity for crushing the nuts on-farm.
Please provide me with your expected annual production volume,
expected sale price per tonne, and your location.
Regards,
Mike Jureidini
Biofuels Consultant
Australian Farmers Fuel (SAFF)
ph 1800 000 609
fax 1300 660 664
[2]www.farmersfuel.com.au
Perhaps if you really want to know about Biodeisel you should be
looking at other countries and learning from them as they are surely
along way ahead of Australia. Try our
suggestion: [3]www.biodieseltoday.com [4]www.jatrophaworld.org
Need we say more?
References
1. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
2. javascript:ol('http://www.farmersfuel.com.au');
3. http://www.biodieseltoday.com/
4. http://www.jatrophaworld.org/
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Re: [Biofuel] Seeds
Yup, that'll get you on the list for sure. And for the latest loon from the loonies ? Wrist watches with altmeters attached are now considered terrorist paraphenelia. So if you do any parachute jumping and have one of those thousand dollar jumpo meter watches you are now a potential terrorist. Insanity can be cured, but it first takes the will to cure it... Luc - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 2:58 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeds Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Mel/Jess; Mel wasn't being funny, he was being factual. The FBI actually, and seriously, had that as a pre-requisite for identifying a terrorist. The Farmer's Almanac contains a whole whack of vitals that could be used . you know the rest of the drivel. No, being in Australia, we have had some of the drivel but not the full drivel. Are you referring to things such as how to make ANFO etc? If so then I had better hide my Explosives in Roadworks - Users Guide that I got whilst studying Civil Engineering - How to make ANFO, Nitro glycerine, Water gels, Blasting equipment, Blast design theory and applications, Loading, Firing, Misfires, Special applications of Explosive, Drawimgs of transportable magazines for storage of explosive. It's an interesting read. It boggels the mind eh? Luc - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Seeds crack me up. thanks. Jess [snip] Regards, Andrew p.s. Hi to the CIA/NSA/FBI bloke who's going to intercept and read this based on a keyword search ;) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] The Straight Up on Biodiesel - Can you dig it?!
Hello everyone, I am new to this, I am going to make a Biodiesel unit. My question is,out of all the ideas out there, what unit is giving the cleanest fuel and is there a set of plans I may buy on this unit.I was planning to make it out of stainless steel, and make it right the first time. Many thanks Dan Wilde, Albuquerque,NM Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here's a great biode definition from a real thinker on another bioblog: Straight Up Eric over at Schoebiz posted an easy-to-understand piece on the composition of biodiesel: http://www.schoebiz.com/archives/80.php I guess they use the word bio because the ingredients come from biological sources. The ingredients are methanol, lye, and fat. You can make this stuff out of waste vegetable oil (WVO) from a Burger King. Fat is just a series of triglycerides. A triglyceride is comprised of three (tri) fatty acid chains and one glycerine molecule. When you mix the lye and methanol with the triglycerides, the lye breaks up the glycerine from the three fatty acid chains itâs connected to. Then the methanol comes in and connects with all the broken up fatty acid chains. So the final product is basically a whole lot of methyl esters (a methanol combined with a fatty acid chain) mixed in with some leftover lye and glycerine. Once you wash the solution and drain out the extra shit, you have pure methyl esters. And that's all biodiesel is. But let me tell you, these methyl esters are crazy. I mean, you can run a freaking car on them. Right on, Eric. Well said my biofuel friends, All I can say is Right On! Can you dig it! __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - now with 250MB free storage. Learn more. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset
After having checked about with guys running refridgerated trailer units I am happy to learn that my suspicions were correct. They can keep foddstufs frozen or reduce the ambient temperature or they can also heat to a maximum of 27C, more than plenty for any application I could have hoped for. They are housed in large units but that is for compactedness. there is a battery and alternator, fuel pump ect. so that it is a stand alone unit. Now what remians to be determined is the viability of using something like this, mounted on the exterior wall of a temporary building such as a construction trailer, of a smaller dimension than that of a full sixed refridgerated unit and extending it's use to include the charging of a battery bank. This would make the entire thing completely independant as well as be able to fully function in cold weather, The fuel tank (BD) would be indoors and so would not have the problem of needing supplemenal heat to keep it from geling.The ambient tenmp for the processor and water tanks would also be able to be controlled easily using the reafer unit's electronic controls which would now be mounted inside as would be the thermometer activated switch to run the unit on recycle or continuous. Set the desired temp on the touch pad and make sure you have fuel and go away knowing thiings will be nice and toasty or cooled to spec as the situation warrants. Using ducts one could set it up so that it would be a livable situation or at least comfortable to spend the night or two regardless of heat or cold outside. A great option for out of the way shack-type applications IMHO. Anyway, there you have it.Now remains to have a situation that requires putting into practice and seeing if all this theory stands up. An idea that is put on hold but not thrown out :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] nissan diesel
I have recently acquired 1982 (Datsun)Nissan diesel wagon. If anyone knows how well this vehicle will operate on vegetable oil and what conversion might be necessary, I will appreciate the information. I live in the Phoenix, Arizona, USA area where temperatures range from hot in the summer (110 degrees Fahrenheit), to a few days a year when it might freeze in winter but just barely. Daytime temperatures here lately are in the 50's. This is typical for winter. http://channels.netscape.com/ns/weather/c_select2.jsp?pers=ywhere=85210x=12y=14 Also, The vehicle I have is in need of an injection pump. At $3100 a new one is out of the question. If anyone has info on rebuilding that part, I need it. Thanks Kemp __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] storing vegetable oil
If I want to use vegetable oil as fuel, I want to be able to have a month's supply in reserve. How well will vegetable oil store? How is it done? Will new and Used oil store the same? thanks Kemp __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Fwd: Grants under the Biomass Research and Development Initiative
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2005 11:58:49 -0800 (PST) From: Rob Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Grants under the Biomass Research and Development Initiative To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Certainly someone in this group will bite on this. How about grants from $200,000 to $2M directed toward innovation. This years' focus is on development and demonstration projects that lead to greater commercialization. Excerpts below - read full announcements at website: http://fedgrants.gov/Applicants/USDA/NRCS/2890/67-3A75-5-22/Attachments.html#upload4211 --- The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) and the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) jointly announce the availability of fiscal year 2005 (FY05) funds and solicit applications for financial assistance addressing research, development, and demonstration of biomass based products, bioenergy, biofuels, biopower, and related processes. This funding opportunity, herein referred to as the âsolicitation,â is intended to promote greater innovation and development related to biomass, and to support Federal policy calling for greater use of biomass-based products, feedstock production, and processing and conversion. 2.General Information USDA and DOE are seeking applications to address four specific Technical Topic Areas as set out below. The agency supporting each Topic is indicated, and Topic Areas are discussed in greater detail in Appendix B. The Topics listed here are the only eligible topic areas under this solicitation. Each individual application must respond to only one of the four Technical Topic Areas. However, an applicant may submit multiple, unique applications and thus respond to multiple topics. The Technical Topic Areas are: Topic-1:Feedstock Development and Production Topic-2:Biobased Products Development and Environmental and Economic erformance Topic-3:Integrated Resource Management and Biomass Use Topic-4:Incentive Analysis for Commercialization 1 The primary applicant can be a private sector entity, an institution of higher education, a national laboratory, a Federal research agency, a state research agency, a non-profit organization, or a consortium of two or more of the listed entities. Consortia are encouraged in order to bring important capabilities together to best achieve the desired innovation on biomass projects. Institutions of higher education include colleges and universities beyond the secondary education level. Private sector entities include companies, corporations, farms, ranches, cooperatives, and others that compete in the marketplace. Pre-applications must be received no later than 6:00 p.m., eastern standard time, on February 15, 2005. All applicants are requested to use an express mail service (e.g., Fed-Ex, USPS, UPS, or other) to submit their pre-applications. No hand-delivered, e-mail, or Fax pre-applications will be accepted. - Also, From the Biomass Research and Development Initiative website: Successful Deployment of Biomass Technologies, Jan. 5th, 2005 article: http://www.bioproducts-bioenergy.gov/news/DisplayRecentArticle.asp?idarticle=164 __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel processor
I sell biodieselprocessors ready for production from 400 litres/day to 4 litres/day. Please have a look at www.carryon.se Best regards David - Original Message - From: Gabriel Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel processor Is there someone here who sell biodiesel processor? Where can I buy a biodiesel processor? _ Profitez des puissants filtres de courriels indsirables articul sur la technologie brevete Microsoft SmartScreen.s http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/popup Commencez ds maintenant profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
1) I am please to share with you my views about Jatropha after a detailed literature research during the last 2 years. We are about to start a work to domesticate Jatropha here in Brasil. 2) Those are the figures I am using for a local project using Jatropha curcas L. *Planting*: 2 a 3 kg of _*seeds *_per hectare.(Approx. 1.300 seeds / Kg.). Assume 50% of seed will not generate healthy plants.** *Potential harvesting ( _seeds_ not fruit ) * *1¼ year*130 kg/ha** *2¼ *520 kg/ ha *3¼*1300 kg/ha *4¼*2600 kg/ha *5¼*4160 kg/ha *6¼ till 30¼ year*6300 kg/ha *Harvesting :* 1.300 a 2.500 kg _*seeds*_ per hectare third year and on *Productivity harvesting ( man hour ):* 2 kg a 3 kg seeds/ men hour there are no mechanical equipment for jatropha yet. Assume will maintain plant height at 2m. at the most. *Oil content*: 5kg a 5,5 kg of seed has 1,25 litres a 1,48 liters of oil. ( 25% up to 35% content of oil )To run calculations be conservative like i am as of now. There are no scientific hard data on this . First large experiment is being conduct by Daimler Benz at Gujarat, India .So far so good. *__**__**__*Oil pressing efficiency: *__* 80 % o the potential oil (1,0 liters a 1,19 liters per hour ) (semi-industrial) Cleaning efficiency: about 90 % Transesterification: about 97% efficient You have to dry the fruit in the shadow. Peel it clean the seed and than press it properly. *Very important to press it properly and degum the pure oil in order to get a good biodiesel at the end. There are few critical tricks.* Pls note my numbers are *conservative not pessimistic not optimistic*. I contacted Africa, Germany ( Gtz, Reinhard at Hoekeheim University, etc. ) India ( Dr. Satish, etc. ) and Nicaragua and came up with above figures. Actual numbers will be better than those prior indicated so you can run a sensitivity for a 10% increase on final number of biodiesel.. Actual numbers will be in this range Saludos y Feliz ao a todos Chico (Francisco Ramos from Rio de Janeiro and Santiago de Compostela ) francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Andrew Lowe: Many thanks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio
Thanks a lot Chico I asked because our government charges mineral oil tax for all Biofuels. The tax is calculated litre to litre and related to the fossil fuel we substitute. So SVO and Biodiesel is taxed like sulphur free diesel, and ethanol I suppose like sulphur free gasoline. We work for 100% tax relief on Biofuels like in Germany, Sweden and some other countries, but until we get it, the taxed should be calculated in a fair way according to energy content and not volume. From 1/1 2005 we got rid of the CO2 tax on Biofuels. Sounds stupid, but it took 5-10 years. Best regards Niels DK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of FRANCISCO Sent: 5. januar 2005 21:47 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] etanol:gasolin ratio Niels Using energy as the key indicator == we can say ( roughly) ethanol has about 30%to 33% less energy than gasoline. So ethanol unit price per volume has to be 30% to 33% less than gasoline ( grossly ) in the event you use monetary definition. Using energy == energetically speaking 1 liter of gasoline has the same amount of energy of 1,30 liters of ethanol to 1,33 liters of ethanol. Ethanol has more octane than gasoline this is why it can be used as octane booster. Very best for us Chico Niels Ans¿ wrote: How much bio ethanol do you need for direct replacement of one litre gasoline(B100) Kind regards Niels dk ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] storing vegetable oil
Hello Kemp Store it cold, dark and with limited access for atmospheric air(Oxygen). Then 1-2 years is no problem for new VO. We just used about 5000 litres 3 years old VO. Worked fine, but we observed some grease layer on Zink coated steel, like on the fuel level sensor in the tank, and a few water drops in when draining the fuel filter. I don«t know the reason for that, but it has only been observed with very old VO like this. Maybe somebody here can help on this question. Best regards Niels DK -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ken murphy Sent: 5. januar 2005 17:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] storing vegetable oil If I want to use vegetable oil as fuel, I want to be able to have a month's supply in reserve. How well will vegetable oil store? How is it done? Will new and Used oil store the same? thanks Kemp __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Find what you need with new enhanced search. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel processor
Dave - What size would you recommend for a typical gas station/C-store in the United States? There are orphan gas stations that can be potentially converted into a biodiesel/clean fuel gas stationmaybe a neighborhood gas station of the future will have a WVO biorefiner in back of the station and pumps in front...like a neighborhood dairy. Most refernces state that the average medium sized gas station sells about 40,000 to 80,000 gallons per month of traditional fuels to remain profitable viable and pay the bills. Interested in gathering more research. Phillip Wolfe --- David Frykeras [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I sell biodieselprocessors ready for production from 400 litres/day to 4 litres/day. Please have a look at www.carryon.se Best regards David - Original Message - From: Gabriel Proulx [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 05, 2004 1:58 AM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel processor Is there someone here who sell biodiesel processor? Where can I buy a biodiesel processor? _ Profitez des puissants filtres de courriels indésirables articulé sur la technologie brevetée Microsoft SmartScreen.s http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=fr-capage=features/popup Commencez dès maintenant à profiter de tous les avantages de MSN Premium et obtenez les deux premiers mois GRATUITS*. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! - Try it today! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha
Many thanks, Francisco. - Original Message - From: Andrew Lowe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jatropha francisco j burgos wrote: Dear Crystal: could you please tell me the Jatropha nuts oil production in litres/hect or gallon/acre?. Tks, Francisco. Have a look on Journey to Forever, http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html. The values here correspond with values I've seen from a few other sources. Regards, Andrew -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 3/01/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
