Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, Joanne asked you this: Hello Scott, Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne Please don't ignore people when they question you. I sent her a message addressing her quest for the links. I wasn't aware that I was required to spend additional bandwidth by sending my reply to the entire group. Here it is for anybody who cares. - Original Message - From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21571/ http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:VYoW6FOhyLIJ:www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387+Sun+Hudsonhl=en http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3079622 Here are three links It's called the Texas Futile Care Law Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+Futile+Care+LawbtnG=Searchhl=enlr= PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hello Scott, Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] re: bush and money
thanks for the comment, it make sense. There is one thing though that i have learnt from observing people, not just polititions that will allways be a concern and that is that desperate people do desperate things. When the pressure becomes significant on the bush admin , what will he do? Andrew Tracey. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia
Darryl, What events are there in Ottawa? I'm in Ottawa. Thanks, O'Neil -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Darryl McMahon Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 11:15 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia I had the opportunity to see this video on Thursday evening. (Part of the program for how Ottawa should deal with the consequences of Peak Oil. Clearly a low-budget production, but it covered the topic well. Few surprises for those on this list, I expect. Set the context of the different types of suburbs (first Victorian suburbs, radial rail suburbs, early automotive suburbs, post- WWII suburbs). Covers sprawl and related issues. Food miles. Much more on social aspects. Then evidence of peak oil. Interviews with Matthew Simmons, Richard Heinberg (Powerdown), Michael C. Ruppert (Crossing the Rubicon), Dr. Colin Campbell, Dr. Kenneth Deffeyes, etc. Unfortunately, Ruppert was pretty negative on biofuels, focusing on one-to-one substitution for todays fossil fuel use, and repeating the mantra that it takes more oil to make ethanol than is imbedded in the ethanol produced. Still, on the whole, it strikes as a reasonably honest appraisal. Recommended. Commerical screenings are rare, but if you can find an opportunity to see it, try to do so. I learned at the presentation that the DVD and VHS is now available via the web if anyone else is interested (US$28.50 or Cdn$36.00). I expect I will be buying a copy to show to friends and for future reference. Also at the presentation were a video of Thomas Homer-Dixon on the August 2003 blackout, climate change and nuclear energy/enriched uranium issues. Highlight of the evening was a live presentation by Paul Sears (one of the local environmental usual suspects) on some facts and figures on oil and natural gas reserves. Put ANWR in context very nicely I thought (essentially irrelevant in terms of oil production on the world scale). Largely preaching to the converted, but I expect there will be subsequent sessions to cover some positive measures for the future. -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Questions with plumbing on the bd processor
Hi everyone, Well I finally put forth the effort to switch to BD and am putting the finishing touches on my processor. I will be using a pump for mixing and was wondering about pvc and hoses. Im trying to decide if I should plumb my processor with some pvc pipe or plastic tubing. I found low density polyethylene at the hardware store and lots of vinyl tubing. I think the vinyl is bad with BD if im not mistaken but is the low-density stuff ok? I know high density polyethylene is what a lot of buckets are made of and that stuff is ok with BD but what about the low density stuff. Also there was talk about people using pvc for plumbing on their processor but I had trouble finding stuff about it in the archives. Is pvc a better choice to use on my processor then the other types of plastic tubing? Thanks for the help. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Questions with plumbing on the bd processor
Better stick with black piping! Many on this thread no more than I though! - Original Message - From: Theo Chadzichristosmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Questions with plumbing on the bd processor Hi everyone, Well I finally put forth the effort to switch to BD and am putting the finishing touches on my processor. I will be using a pump for mixing and was wondering about pvc and hoses. Im trying to decide if I should plumb my processor with some pvc pipe or plastic tubing. I found low density polyethylene at the hardware store and lots of vinyl tubing. I think the vinyl is bad with BD if im not mistaken but is the low-density stuff ok? I know high density polyethylene is what a lot of buckets are made of and that stuff is ok with BD but what about the low density stuff. Also there was talk about people using pvc for plumbing on their processor but I had trouble finding stuff about it in the archives. Is pvc a better choice to use on my processor then the other types of plastic tubing? Thanks for the help. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tom As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Questions with plumbing on the bd processor
plastic hose turns milky and hardens. Don't ever use it for a suction pipe- the one in going from the reactor to the pump, it;ll collapse. On the pressure side of the pump I'd rather not use hose, either, think of the mess if it fails during mixing.It works on the outlet through which you drain the glycerol (for some time) Gotta see what comes out. PVC seems to stand up, but I'm wondering about the glue, some joints just came apart, but could have come apart due to poor bonding. I've had bad luck with PVC Ball Valves, they get hard to operate. Brass ball valves have not failed yet. I like clear plastic hose for admixing the Methoxide, and that has to be replaced regularly. I am not using the cheap brass gatevalves, because if I want to shut someting off I want it now, not after I turned a handle umpteen times. I have not used outlandish materials, because of price, obviously, and hard to obtain here. Copper pipe used in the washing contraption appears suspiciously clean and devoid of any oxiidization. almost too clean as if something was eating it. I'm sure there is more to plastics than I've come across. Good luck! Craig Harris wrote: Better stick with black piping! Many on this thread no more than I though! - Original Message - From: Theo Chadzichristosmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Questions with plumbing on the bd processor Hi everyone, Well I finally put forth the effort to switch to BD and am putting the finishing touches on my processor. I will be using a pump for mixing and was wondering about pvc and hoses. Im trying to decide if I should plumb my processor with some pvc pipe or plastic tubing. I found low density polyethylene at the hardware store and lots of vinyl tubing. I think the vinyl is bad with BD if im not mistaken but is the low-density stuff ok? I know high density polyethylene is what a lot of buckets are made of and that stuff is ok with BD but what about the low density stuff. Also there was talk about people using pvc for plumbing on their processor but I had trouble finding stuff about it in the archives. Is pvc a better choice to use on my processor then the other types of plastic tubing? Thanks for the help. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US ethanol prices
Where I can buy E-10 the price is always a penny higher per gallon than regular. I buy it because my old truck runs a lot better on it. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Yes, that is the diesel syndrome put very clearly. Highly saturated - good ignitition properties but crystallizes at rather high temperatures. Highly unsaturated - worse ignitition properties but crystallizes at lower temperatures. Since palm oil is a common frying oil, it is the raw material for BD production, but as WVO( very common in the UK, I think). Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Jan, That is exactly the oil I have in mind. From what I have read it produces the greatest amount of oil per hectare. Highly saturated is good news. Must be lots of folks making Bio D from this material, once used. in Europe, yes? No - highly saturated might be good news as far as drying is concerned, but it also means a high cloud point. CHECK THE ARCHIVES! There's TONS of stuff about palm oil in the archives! And/or Journey to Forever: Iodine Values -- High Iodine Values -- Talking about the weather http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html#iodine Keith Thanks, Tom -Original Message- From: Jan Warnqvist To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 2/04/05 6:41 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hello Tom. Are you referring to palm oil ? This is a highly saturated oil common in Europe as frying oil. The oil is imported from Malaysia. Is it this one ? Bst rgrds Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 11:57 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making? Hi All, Any information like this on oil from palm trees? I«m not a fan of soybean because of Monsanto. Thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] New Crop of batteries
AMY LEWIS wrote: Tomas, here's what I found about them: http://www.betterhumans.com/News/news.aspx?articleID=2005-04-01-3 Thank you Amy. Toshiba's 'NanoBattery' Recharges In Only One Minute http://www.physorg.com/news3539.html www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=8033 March 29, 2005 Toshiba Corporation today announced a breakthrough in lithium-ion batteries that makes long recharge times a thing of the past. The company's new battery can recharge 80% of a battery's energy capacity in only one minute, approximately 60 times faster than the typical lithium-ion batteries in wide use today, and combines this fast recharge time with performance-boosting improvements in energy density. The new battery fuses Toshiba's latest advances in nano-material technology for the electric devices sector with cumulative know-how in manufacturing lithium-ion battery cells. A breakthrough technology applied to the negative electrode uses new nano-particles to prevent organic liquid electrolytes from reducing during battery recharging. The nano-particles quickly absorb and store vast amount of lithium ions, without causing any deterioration in the electrode. The excellent recharging characteristics of new battery are not its only performance advantages. The battery has a long life cycle, losing only 1% of capacity after 1,000 cycles of discharging and recharging, and can operate at very low temperatures. At minus 40 degrees centigrade, the battery can discharge 80% of its capacity, against 100% in an ambient temperature of 25 degree centigrade). Toshiba will bring the new rechargeable battery to commercial products in 2006. Initial applications will be in the automotive and industrial sectors, where the slim, small-sized battery will deliver large amounts of energy while requiring only a minute to recharge. For example, the battery's advantages in size, weight and safety highly suit it for a role as an alternative power source for hybrid electric vehicles. Toshiba expects that the high energy density and excellent recharge performance of the new battery will assure its successful application as a new energy solution in many areas of society. Major Specifications of New Battery 1) Excellent Recharge Performance The thin battery recharges to 80% of full capacity in only a minute. Total recharge takes only a few more minutes. 2) High Energy Density Small and light, the new battery offers a high level of storage efficiency. The prototype battery is only 3.8mm thick, 62mm high and 35mm deep and has a capacity of 600mAh. 3) Long Life Cycle A prototype of new battery (a laminated lithium ion battery with 600mAh capacity) was discharged and fully recharged 1,000 times at a temperature of 25 degrees centigrade and lost only 1% of capacity during the test. 4) Temperature The new battery operates well in extremes of temperature. It discharges 80% of its capacity at minus 40 degrees centigrade, against 100% at an ambient temperature of 25 degrees centigrade, and loses only 5% of capacity at temperatures as high as 45 degrees centigrade after 1,000 cycles. These characteristics assure the wide applicability of the battery as a power source for products as diverse as hybrid vehicles and mobile phones. 5) Eco-friendly Battery The new battery can quickly store energy produced by locomotives and automobiles. This speedy and highly effective recharge characteristic of the battery will support CO2 reduction, as the battery can save and re-use energy that was simply wasted before. [graph] Comparison in Terms of Energy Density and Recharge ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US ethanol prices
Doug Younker wrote: Where I can buy E-10 the price is always a penny higher per gallon than regular. I buy it because my old truck runs a lot better on it. Doug 87 octane unleaded gasoline and E10 are now the same price US$2.299 a gallon where I live and I've never seen E-10 10 to 15 cents less per US gallon then regular unleaded gasoline though E85 can be and quiet a distance from my location. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US ethanol prices
E85 Price Forum (The American Lung Association of Minnesota is not responsible for misinformation reported on the E85 Price Forum. ) http://www.cleanairchoice.org/outdoor/E85Fuel.asp [on the far right than scroll down] E85 Price: Station Name: Station City: Unleaded Price: Date: Comments: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] US ethanol prices
Link correction. Some days are better than others. MH wrote: E85 Price Forum (The American Lung Association of Minnesota is not responsible for misinformation reported on the E85 Price Forum. ) http://www.cleanairchoice.org/outdoor/PriceForum.asp [on the far right than scroll down] E85 Price: Station Name: Station City: Unleaded Price: Date: Comments: ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Oil prices have ethanol advocates smiling
. . . ethanol production is exploding and supply is now greater than demand. Oil prices have ethanol advocates smiling Joy Powell, Star Tribune April 2, 2005 http://www.startribune.com/stories/535/5325915.html Crude oil prices hit a record Friday of $57.27 a barrel, pumping up the hopes of Midwest ethanol supporters that their alternative fuel will become all the more advantageous to a fuel-hungry nation. If you're looking at right now wholesale gas prices running 40 and 50 cents more than ethanol, then it stands to reason that the more ethanol you blend in, the less the final product should cost, said Ron Lamberty, market development director for the American Coalition for Ethanol, a trade group in Sioux Falls, S.D. At Minnesota's gas pumps -- where prices ranged from a low of $1.99 to a high of $2.29 Friday -- consumers are being hit hard in the wallet. Yet they might be hit even harder if they lived elsewhere, Lamberty said. That's because ethanol, which has dropped to relatively low prices, is helping to keep down the prices somewhat in the Twin Cities, say Lamberty and other ethanol supporters. Increasing gas prices In Minnesota, consumers buy a mandated blend of 10 percent ethanol and 90 percent petroleum, the only such law now in effect nationwide. They can also buy an 85 percent blend for flexible-fuel vehicles. Crude oil accounts for about half the cost of gasoline. Other factors include taxes, transportation and distribution. Now Gov. Tim Pawlenty and other ethanol advocates have more reason for increasing its use as a fuel extender. Friday's closing crude futures prices, adjusted for inflation in February 2005 dollars, were the highest in about 14¸ years. Though gasoline prices are high because of soaring crude oil, wholesale ethanol prices are low -- about $1.30 a gallon. That's because ethanol production is exploding and supply is now greater than demand. There's still a lot of states that should be using it but aren't, said farmer Perry Meyer, president of the Heartland Corn Products ethanol plant in Winthrop. Lamberty reviewed fuel prices around the country Friday, examining the difference between prices charged for the key components in gasoline and retail prices. He found that ethanol blends were being marked up beyond what they should be in states such as Michigan. In Minnesota, however, fuel prices for ethanol blends are in line with the component prices, Lamberty said. I think they're being fair, he said of refineries such as Flint Hills Resources in Rosemount. Minnesota consumers benefit from their law that calls for a single 10 percent ethanol standard for the whole state, Lamberty said, because refiners can make one grade of fuel using high-octane ethanol and a lower-octane base fuel, which costs a little less, he said. Companies turning more to renewable fuels include Minnetonka-based Cargill Inc., the third-largest producer of ethanol in the United States with 110 million gallons a year produced at plants in Blair, Neb., and Eddyville, Iowa. Aside from rising gasoline prices, the high crude oil prices are expected to raise costs for plastics and other products made from fossil fuels. At Cargill, a unique new form of plastic resin made from corn, under the trade name Natureworks, is being sold to companies that are using it to make deli food containers, clothing, blankets and more. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Kieth and Tom, Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol, it pointed me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol. But the last few sentences led you into a Step-by-Step Procedure for making ethanol from wood. I went straight to the procedure before thoroughly reading the introduction. That would only make sense since I don't read the instructions before putting together my nephews' new toys on their birthdays either. :-) Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom and Kieth, I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison wrote: Hello Tom As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: @SPAM+++++++++ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Jan, Could you please give references of the research papers on SVO use and deposit formation as mentioned in your e-mail bellow? No doubt about the conclusions but I would like to understand this issue in more detail. Best regards, Armando A.C. Rodrigues Av Francisco O. Magumbwe, 149 C.P 3279 Maputo 2 Maputo - Moambique e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Jan Warnqvist Enviada: quarta-feira, 30 de Maro de 2005 17:08 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello Luke. I agree with you fully, but do not forget that SVO have a lower cetane number, and they tend to form deposits in the combustion surroundings. These deposits have a high cracking point (550-600oC) and the diesel engine is built for fuel with a max boiling point of 350oC, so the deposits will continue to form and grow until they cause trouble. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to
[Biofuel] ethanol methonal - evworld
Coal-to-Methanol Promising Alternative to Oil... Again Source: Institute for the Analysis of Global Security [Mar 29, 2005] http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=8028 --- The Ethanol Conundrum Source: U.C. Berkeley [Apr 02, 2005] U.C. Berkeley study finds ethanol production consumes six times more energy to make that it produces. http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=8085 Shouldn't the ethanol price, currently about US$1.30 gallon, be six times greater than it is now? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Hello Tom , Mike e Keith The methanol production from saw dust need to done via thermochemical route , require much energy input , as no bacteria yet commercially can make methanol where as ethanol production via reusable enzymes require low energy input. What Mike refer is the very old process which was commercially practised in Russia to produce feed yeast using acid hydrolysis process to make sugar from cellulose Any one know about the yield of methanol from biomass waste ? The ethanol yield from cellulose can be 100 percent as theoretical yeil is 110 percents. The biotechnology can make possible the big company making celluosic enzymes, make possible also enzymatic hydrolysis the small farmer making ethanol in back yard. This research was my PHd thesis , which I have fined in 1983 in IIT Delhi and I am sure this process can make viable the biomass refinary for poor and rich countries. For every 3 day billion dollar go outside USA to import petrol . Only 1 porcent of this money spent for biorefinery can solve not only USA , but also the developing country. Making methanol via petro chemical route in big refinery is making the cost make it competitive in relation with ethanol. The methanol is known as wood alcohol as it was traditionally obtained from destructive distillation .The modern method involve catalytic synthesis from wood gas. This two step process can be carried out in a small scale as the traditional high pressure is now a days replaced by the low pressure process as already published in this list. I agree with Keith view here that Methanol can be made in small scale too with care and using pyrolysis as here the yield is not a matter as we do get several useful byproducts.The bio oil as the byproduct can also make this process very useful to farmer as this has pr oven to be an natural pesticide and good food preservatives. In Japan bio oil made flue gas from wood are used very much as food additives..Here too this can be more dangerous than methanol Surely new comer to the list need to first consult the old list first and thus can learn a lot before posting to the list. Here we need to make the network bringing new information and practical data so that our list member can help each other to solve real problems. Making methanol from cellulose is not yet mature one as one of Bio D for small scale , but can be made possible sd Pannir selvam On Apr 3, 2005 4:21 AM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom and Kieth, I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Tom As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol backyard manufacturing possible?
Sorry. I stand corrected. When I looked in the index under methanol, it pointed me to pg 125 and indeed, it began talking about methanol. But the last few sentences led you into a Step-by-Step Procedure for making ethanol from wood. I went straight to the procedure before thoroughly reading the introduction. That would only make sense since I don't read the instructions before putting together my nephews' new toys on their birthdays either. Oh how sad Mike! That it wasn't methanol I mean, not that you don't read the destructions and are depriving your nephews of a practical education by selfishly playing with their toys. :-) That old Fuel from Sawdust piece came from an early 1980s issue of Acres USA that I happen to have because I wrote the cover story. I had a whole lot more of them too but some nice friend went and lost them all. :-( My fault, I suppose, for being such a rolling stone. Anyway, Mike Brown's article was one of a long series they ran on Farm Alcohol. They'd probably make interesting reading now. Regards Keith :-) Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tom and Kieth, I have a copy of Brown's Second Alcohol Fuel Cookbook by Michael H. Brown. In it, there is a section on methanol production (pg 125). It lists the ingredients and equipment and continues with a section called Step-by-Step Procedures. The procedure goes into a lot of detail and describes what your reaction will look like, how much heat to expect from the exothermic reaction and how it should behave -- beginning with the introduction of sulfuric acid, to pH balancing and finally to fermentation. It even suggests how to collect and make use of the lignin, a byproduct of the acid/sawdust reaction. Apparently it burns and can be used as a fuel for your still. I can't remember where I bought the book. But, if it's out of print or otherwise unavailable, I can transcribe the section if anyone is interested. Mike Hi Mike Are you sure that's methanol, and not his ethanol from sawdust method? It sounds just the same, and that's here: Fuel From Sawdust http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library.html#sawdust Best Keith --- Keith Addison wrote: Hello Tom As a newcomer to the biodiesel world I was wondering if it was possible to make methanol in your backyard so to speak? No. We've been discussing this since the list was founded five years ago, but nobody's found a solution yet. Dr Tom Reed, who probably knows more about methanol than most, told me we just aren't there yet. Walt Patrick of Windward posted some interesting information some time ago and said his organisation would be working on it, but we've heard nothing since. You can check it in the archives if you like. And the other question is it possible to make biodiesel with ethanol? Not for novices: Ethyl esters -- making ethanol biodiesel http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#ethylester I am putting together a proposal for an East African country to follow Brazils lead and have to do some homework first. There have been enquiries and initiatives from quite a few African countries concerning ethyl esters, but we've never heard anything further. I'd investigate it thoroughly first before recommending anything if I were you. Best wshes Keith selam, tom mountain ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
I could also have replied: Thank you, Scott! I had actually thought of doing that, but decided not to because I had nothing more to add to my sincere thanks. I hadn't noticed that Scott hadn't replied to the list, and thought that people in the list might find that a redundant posting, even annoying. So I guess I hoped that Scott would read my mind! On further reflection, and a struggle to come up with words to express my feelings about these two actions of George W. Bush, I have come up with a phrase: What a tragic display of irony in such blatant hippocracy! Thank you, Joanne - Original Message - From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 02, 2005 2:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, Joanne asked you this: Hello Scott, Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne Please don't ignore people when they question you. I sent her a message addressing her quest for the links. I wasn't aware that I was required to spend additional bandwidth by sending my reply to the entire group. Here it is for anybody who cares. - Original Message - From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21571/ http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:VYoW6FOhyLIJ:www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387+Sun+Hudsonhl=en http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3079622 Here are three links It's called the Texas Futile Care Law Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+Futile+Care+LawbtnG=Searchhl=enlr= PEACE Scott ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia
O'Neil Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] asked (regarding Peak Oil and Ottawa): Darryl, What events are there in Ottawa? I'm in Ottawa. Thanks, O'Neil I don't know yet. I have registered for any updates. I will post these on the Econogics EVents page as I become aware of them. http://www.econogics.com/ev/events.htm Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: the 4th Estate
From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] By the way, Joanne asked you this: Hello Scott, Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne Please don't ignore people when they question you. I sent her a message addressing her quest for the links. I wasn't aware that I was required to spend additional bandwidth by sending my reply to the entire group. Here it is for anybody who cares. My apologies Scott. But yes, it's usually better onlist than off - the request was onlist so the response should be too, generally speaking. All best Keith - Original Message - From: Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 8:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/21571/ http://64.233.187.104/search?q=cache:VYoW6FOhyLIJ:www.chron.com/cs/CD A/ssistory.mpl/front/3087387+Sun+Hudsonhl=en http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/metropolitan/3079622 Here are three links It's called the Texas Futile Care Law Google is your friend. http://www.google.com/search?q=Texas+Futile+Care+LawbtnG=Searchhl=enlr= PEACE Scott - Original Message - From: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 01, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Secret US plans for Iraq's oil Hello Scott, Can you provide a link or links for details on: snip while babies in Texas have their breathing tubes ripped from their bodies against their mother's wishes because the hospital can't extract enough money from them. Thank you, Joanne ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] The need for Gmail invitation
Hello Keith and all our list members Gmail is going to increase from 1 Mega To 2 Mega , as I have alot of invitation to be sent , Most of our list members are welcome as our e mail list is very big one . Please kindly inform if any one really need as gmail help us too Thanking all sd Pannirselvam P.V Brasil -- Pagandai V Pannirselvam Universidade Federal do Rio Grande do Norte - UFRN Departamento de Engenharia Qumica - DEQ Centro de Tecnologia - CT Programa de Ps Graduao em Engenharia Qumica - PPGEQ Grupo de Pesquisa em Engenharia de Custos - GPEC Av. Senador Salgado Filho, Campus Universitrio CEP 59.072-970 , Natal/RN - Brasil Residence : Av Odilon gome de lima, 2951, Q6/Bl.G/Apt 102 Capim Macio EP 59.078-400 , Natal/RN - Brasil Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 Telefone(fax) ( 84 ) 215-3770 Ramal20 2171557 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Hello Hakan, (snip) The number you give is WWII losses, I was talking about the European part of WWII. This because we talked about taking out Hitler. US lost several times more in the Pacific, than they did in Europe. With respect, the total allied losses under General MacArthur - Supreme Commander of the Pacific theatre of operation - in the entire campaign fought from Australia to his arrival in Tokyo were 90,437. In the Battle of the Bulge in France in 1944 - which was just a single battle fought over a few weeks during the Second Front campaign - a total of 106,502 allied soldiers died. (See: American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur, by William Manchester. Hutchinson 1979, page 639). Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Optimism
Too much reality? It does tend to be a bit grim at times. Reality is deeply troubling whenever we focus exclusively on the problems we face. I find comfort in Christian faith that motivates a strong desire to make a positive difference in the world around me. We can discuss problems all day long, but doing nothing about remediating the difficulties we face serves no purpose. I have long appreciated the informational conduit this forum represents, and this is one of the reasons why I've been a subscriber for so long. (I don't even remember when I signed up. Aside from my house building hiatus, I've been here for quite some time.) It's widely used in traditional medicine. Also, it says here, Romans always used horsetail to clean their pots and pans, not just to make them clean but also, thanks to the silica, to make them nonstick. In the Middle Ages it was used as an abrasive by cabinetmakers, to clean pewter, brass, and copper, and for scouring wood containers and milk pans... This herb has been associated with various goblins, toads and snakes, and the devil. I guess you'll agree with the devil bit. :-) Hmm. I think oplopanax horridus might qualify. I fell into one of those a couple of years ago, and dug tiny slivers from my flesh for days! (I've thought of planting some along the border of our property to discourage dogs from using our lot as a toilet, but I don't think my neighbors would appreciate that. . . Besides, it's a shade tolerant plant, and our property borders are quite exposed.) Equisetum arvense may be a nuisance, but I can see that its deep root structure is helping to break up the thick, clay soil base beneath the surface. Sometimes I think I should just let it run wild and let nature take its course. However, I DO live in a subdivision and property values remain a concern to the people who live around me. The trouble is they so often mix up topsoil with subsoil. Of course they shouldn't remove it at all. Wantonly destroying topsoil has to be a mortal sin, IMO. People really don't understand what they're doing with their mindless digging! Next time we build a house, I will carefully scrape the topsoil from any place that needs excavating, and STORE it on the property for redistribution when the building is done. I learned a lot about what NOT to do when putting a house together, despite what I thought was careful pre-planning. Key to just about everything. You can build it from nothing - what you start with is just the raw material, you can turn any soil into rich topsoil, even a heavy clay subsoil when all the topsoil's gone. Yes, but it takes time and effort. We North Americans have a fetish for instant gratification that goes beyond our penchant for debt. The local developer put a great deal of pressure on us to get our landscaping done after we'd finished our house. He was in a hurry to sell the rest of the lots in our subdivision and didn't want our unsightly yard detracting from his sales. Not surprisingly, he's lost all concern now that the lots are sold and being built upon. The contractors don't bother cleaning up anymore, our street is cluttered with construction debris, and the quality of building that we were so admonished to uphold has deteriorated significantly over the past year. I actually feel sorry for the people who will be investing in those houses and moving into the neighborhood. How about Dexters? Nobody takes them seriously because they're so small, they're regarded as pets, but they're excellent cattle. http://journeytoforever.org/farm_animal.html Farming with animals Ha! I live on a 300 square meter lot, at least a third of which is occupied by the footprint of our house. Even Dexters require half an acre of pasture per head. I don't have room, Keith! I wouldn't have anything to do with goats, soil destroyers, and horses on their own are not good for pastures. My father in law likes goats. We have a running joke in the family about setting up a goat herd that my saintly mother in law doesn't find very amusing. . . Have a look at this Robert: Ley Farming http://journeytoforever.org/farm_library.html#ley I have been there many times. It's an excellent resource for everyone who reads this forum. :-) It's not that kind of hemp, nothing to do with cannabis, and it doesn't look like cannabis. http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/v3-389.html Crotalaria juncea: A Potential Multi-Purpose Fiber Crop It's a legume and fixes a helluva lot of N. Nice plant. Weed, you know. LOL! When I was in college, I built a fluidyne engine as a water pump for an ecology demonstration project. The local authorities were invited to examine my still more than once before they were convinced that what I was building was really innocuous. Neighbors are funny that way. Do you remember the old James Thurber story called The Very
Re: [OFF TOPIC] Re: [Biofuel] Re: The Energy Crunch To Come
Bob, Even those numbers are sub number and does not say anything. It is possible that my source was wrong, but do not give me number who says nothing to that effect. If my source is right and US losses were 10% of allies total, around 10,000 US soldiers died in the Battle of Bulge. It is also something wrong with that US should have lost around 100,000 in Pacific and around 300,000 in Europe. When it is well known fact that the Pacific losses were higher than the European. Please try again and maybe you will find something more realistic. Hakan At 01:55 AM 4/4/2005, you wrote: Hello Hakan, (snip) The number you give is WWII losses, I was talking about the European part of WWII. This because we talked about taking out Hitler. US lost several times more in the Pacific, than they did in Europe. With respect, the total allied losses under General MacArthur - Supreme Commander of the Pacific theatre of operation - in the entire campaign fought from Australia to his arrival in Tokyo were 90,437. In the Battle of the Bulge in France in 1944 - which was just a single battle fought over a few weeks during the Second Front campaign - a total of 106,502 allied soldiers died. (See: American Caesar: Douglas MacArthur, by William Manchester. Hutchinson 1979, page 639). Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: soybeanoil a bad choice for BD making?
Thank you for passing on the kind words. I am also thankful for the information sharing on this list from you and many others. Rachel On Mar 31, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Rachel Hello Keith biofuel list. I too have requested a more detailed explanation for the information we learned at last year's Elsbett workshop in North Carolina. I sent off this question : What is the main reason Elsbett suggests not using soybean oil as a fuel- Is it due to its high iodine number? Or is it just due to soybean oil's negative effect on lubrication oil? Exactly the right question, good for you. When I receive an answer I will post to the list. Thankyou, please do. By the way, I didn't include it because it was personal, but I'm sure Alexander won't mind. He also said this: I am really thankful to Rachel for her information work. She is the most serious worker I met in the US SVO-community. I hope I can continue the work with her during the next workshops there. :-) Just so you know. Regards Keith Thanks, Rachel Burton Piedmont Biofuels www.biofuels.coop On Mar 30, 2005, at 1:32 PM, Keith Addison wrote: Hello Stephan, Jan and all I asked Elsbett's Alexander Noack for some comment on what he was quoted as saying about soy oil, and got a very brief response from him: Hi Keith, this all is nearly correct, but only for direct injection engines. Mit freundlichen Gr§en / Best regards Alexander Noack ELSBETT Technologie GmbH Weissenburger Stra§e 15 D-91177 Thalmaessing Internet: www.elsbett.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: +49 (0)9173 77940 Fax: +49 (0)9173 77942 This was the quote in question: Soybean oil is bad. Whether it is straight vegetable oil or soybean based biodiesel. It is a no-go in diesel engines. Why? In diesel engines you have slight mixing between fuel and lubricating oil. There is a fuel property in soybean oil that makes it reactive when in contact with engine lubricating oil. It supposedly has a polymerizing action with the engine oil, which is detrimental to the life of your lubricating system. What they do in Europe is use a vegetable-based lubricating oil for the engine to prevent any problems with fuel-lubricating oil intimacy. What else? They do not use soybean oil; They use rape seed also known as canola. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
