Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
I believe that the quote from Ahmadinejad saying that he wanted to wipe israel off the map was taken out of context. He was talking about how after World War II, the european powers arbitrarily drew Israel on the map where it didn't exist before (and where other people lived). Does anyone have the full text of that speach? I'll see if I can find it. Zeke On 1/16/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jtcava wrote: Just this;The government of Israel does not espouse the total eradication of the Iranian people. If their treatment of the Palestinians is any indication, I'm not confident that you are correct. What a nation SAYS and what it actually DOES are two different things. While on the other hand Iran would probably use it's nukes to further the cause of Islam,mainly the destruction of the state of Israel. What evidence can you offer to support this contention? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Zeke Yewdall wrote: While he is wrong in his insistence that the holocaust (or the millions of Jews murdered in Europe for the 1000 years before the Holocaust) didn't happen, I think he does have a point. If europe felt so bad about the holocaust, why did they foist their problem on the middle east instead of dealing with it themselves? (and they haven't dealt with it -- anti-semitism is still widespread there) I don't think anyone can seriously doubt that the Hebrew people have a historical link to the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. In some ways, the Europeanization of this issue began back when Pompey took over the region back in 60 BCE or so. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here!) After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, the Jewish people HAD no homeland any more. So, in a sense, it IS a European problem. This seems just as damning of the Europeans/americans as the Iranians -- just send the Jews off to somewhere else, and we'll pay for them to defend themselves so we can feel more moral about it, just so long as they leave our countries. I'm not defending Iran here, but I don't think they are the only anti-semitic ones playing on this stage. At least they're being honest. I think you've brought up an excellent point. The anti-Semitism to which you refer still exists all over the world. It's convenient to think that we could move people we don't like somewhere else, just as the Hitlerites originally thought they could solve their problem by exporting Jews, Gypsies and Slavs to Madagascar. The Palestinians, however, are also Semitic in origin, are they not? So in a sense, isn't the Israeli government being racist in its actions, too? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Try this link. Still not the full quote, but more. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4510922.stm If European countries claim that they have killed Jews in World War II... why don't they provide the Zionist regime with a piece of Europe, .Germany and Austria can provide the... regime with two or three provinces for this regime to establish itself, and the issue will be resolved. While he is wrong in his insistence that the holocaust (or the millions of Jews murdered in Europe for the 1000 years before the Holocaust) didn't happen, I think he does have a point. If europe felt so bad about the holocaust, why did they foist their problem on the middle east instead of dealing with it themselves? (and they haven't dealt with it -- anti-semitism is still widespread there) This seems just as damning of the Europeans/americans as the Iranians -- just send the Jews off to somewhere else, and we'll pay for them to defend themselves so we can feel more moral about it, just so long as they leave our countries. I'm not defending Iran here, but I don't think they are the only anti-semitic ones playing on this stage. At least they're being honest. On 1/17/06, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I believe that the quote from Ahmadinejad saying that he wanted to wipe israel off the map was taken out of context. He was talking about how after World War II, the european powers arbitrarily drew Israel on the map where it didn't exist before (and where other people lived). Does anyone have the full text of that speach? I'll see if I can find it. Zeke On 1/16/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jtcava wrote: Just this;The government of Israel does not espouse the total eradication of the Iranian people. If their treatment of the Palestinians is any indication, I'm not confident that you are correct. What a nation SAYS and what it actually DOES are two different things. While on the other hand Iran would probably use it's nukes to further the cause of Islam,mainly the destruction of the state of Israel. What evidence can you offer to support this contention? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel heater question
-- Original message -- From: Kenji James Fuse [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have a 1988 F250, and it has a thermostatically-controlled fuel heater above the filter. Unfortunately, it is a very flimsy device, designed only for very rare use in sub -20F temperatures. I found this out when I considered hotwiring it so I could control it from the cab. But a Ford mechanic said this was sure to burn out the thin ceramic heating unit in no time. I don't know about a fancy 1999 model, but it's probably the same deal. Let me know if this is the case and if you find an adequate heater because I'm looking for the same. I'm almost ready to order a Veg-therm, but I've heard varying reports on it and it seems expensive for what it is. Kenji Fuse On Sun, 15 Jan 2006, magic wrote: Hello all, I have a 1999 F350 that I would like to run B100 in year round. (It's been a mild winter this year, but typically drops below 32F and occasionally under 20F.) I figured a fuel preheater would resolve any issues. As I started to research the options, I also got a book on the F350. Looking at the fuel system in the book, there is a fuel heater just below the fuel filter (at the bottom of a fuel filter/water separator assembly). My question is would this all I need, or would I be better off still getting one of those fuel line preheater(s)? Many thanks, S ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ I have an 88 f350, i put the fuel line from the tank to the filter inside of a coolant line. the block heater keeps everthing warm and after it starts the fuel in the line from the tank immeiately has warm coolant circulating around it. it was + 12f yesterday and no problem. i did the same with my backhoe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
And it has been a sore point ever since. I wonder what would have happened had a chunk of Germany been parceled off and given to the Jews. Notwithstanding the historical link to the middle east and all that, there was a perfect excuse after Germany was conquered (as is always the case with conquered lands) for the victors to do as they see fit. Many of the Jews had been living there anyways. The Germans would have had no right to complain about it considering. Granted Europe is not without its history of territorial disputes but I have always wondered what the world would be like today if that choice had been made rather than just going in and forcibly taking control of the area that became Israel?? Where's that undo button Keith was looking for? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: I believe that the quote from Ahmadinejad saying that he wanted to wipe israel off the map was taken out of context. He was talking about how after World War II, the european powers arbitrarily drew Israel on the map where it didn't exist before (and where other people lived). Does anyone have the full text of that speach? I'll see if I can find it. Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
Hi Theo Big-time, huh? :-) Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do any methanol recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of finical sense to get back the methanol. I have had a lot of trouble finding somewhat larger devices for recovering the methanol. I was wondering if anyone has experience in this field. The internet mentions methanol recovery but no sights really go into methanol recovery and biodiesl. Any help would be appreciated. am open to either homemade designs or ones that can be purchased. Any useful links or links to pictures would be great. Also is it be to recover methanol form the glycerin, the biodiesel or both? Preferably both, but you should do it at the right stages, and you have to make some decisions about how to handle the by-product. See: Reclaiming excess methanol http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Help, my world is going nuke!
Hi Bob Hi Keith, Here in the clean and green where hydro, wind, thermal and tidal energy options are coming out of our ears the nuclear crazies have suddenly resurfaced. They look sane, they even wear suits and ties, carry laptops and talk in full sentences. Among other things they've launched a media campaign to rethink a New Zealand decision of many years ago to ban the use of nuclear energy, including the admission of nuclear-powered ships to our waters. So I noticed. :-( New Zealand's obviously after building a WMD, we'd better nuke them while there's still time, would that help? LOL! What's mainly brought the nuke lobby staggering zombie-like back into current affairs is the quaint idea that nuclear power is green because it doesn't use fossil fuels, no carbon emissions so it won't wreck the climate. Todd shot all that down here a while ago. They seek the construction of a nuclear power station, slap bang in an urban area in an island nine by seven housing more than half our population. Their bona fides are impeccable (top academics, energy consultants, corporate heads etc) and their arguments smoothly plausible. They will win eventually unless opposed with better and more persuasive argument. Years ago I fought a five-year campaign against a nuclear powerstation in South Africa and lost. I think that young feller Peter Ravenscroft was involved in that too. I wasn't in Cape Town at that time. That was before Chernobyl. Early 70s. The chickens of cost are only now coming coming home to roost for the South African idiocy. But they wanted their bomb, them and Israel and Taiwan. Shortly the aging plant near Cape Town - built on the coast of what was once described as the fairest Cape in all the earth - will have to be mothballed. Not just on the coast, on that particular stretch of coast at Melkbos yet, a special place. But I guess most of the Peninsula's a special place. Apart from the fact that such a process will suck up billions of dollars best used to eradicate poverty in a needy continent, it will when finally decommissioned remain forever a target for terrorism and an excrescence on the face of the planet. That's also a special place. During its lifetime it produced electricity at twice the cost of alternate fuels. It also provided weapons material for the regime. About par for their course, the true costs are hidden, the environmental and other costs externalised. I'd hate to see it happen again, here in what Kipling called last, loneliest and loveliest of lands. But I'm getting too long in the tooth now to do the research though I'm happy to fire the bullets. A disk crash wiped my archives, Shudder! Sorry about that. including some useful material you sent from JTF. Canst please repeat the favour or perhaps point me to suitable sources? Not easily. It wasn't from JTF, I believe it was onlist, but I didn't find it. I did a quick search and I found a lot of things, probably including what you're looking for, but no way to know. There's a large amount of good material on nuclear power in the list archives (including contributions from you), it's often been discussed. I think all the debunkings are there. If I wanted to research it that's where I'd start. But searching for nuclear won't do, there's too much material, you need better keywords. But I'm sure you have them. If anyone else has anything to add in terms of solid, well-sourced and dependable anti-nuclear energy background material I'd be most grateful. Try the archives. There are people here who know a lot about nuclear power, if you need more specific info I'm sure they'd help. Regards Keith Regards, Bob. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
The Palestinians, however, are also Semitic in origin, are they not? From a religious studies perspective, I believe Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all semetic religions, and originally stem from Judaism which was founded (or evolved from previous multi-diety/agricultural religions) in the middle east around 4,000 years ago. Jesus was a Jew who began Christianity, and Mohammad was a Christian who began Islam. As I understand it (and I'm not an expert by any means), the Jewish holy book is very similar to the Old Testament, and the Koran takes parts of both the old and new testament, and adds on to it. The Mormon religion is also an offshoot of Christianity, where Josesh Smith added his own new book to the Bible. It has just had fewer years to diverge than Christianity from Judaism, or Islam from Christianity. A good read on this (fictionalization of middle eastern religious history) is The Source, by James A. Michener Z On 1/17/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote: While he is wrong in his insistence that the holocaust (or the millions of Jews murdered in Europe for the 1000 years before the Holocaust) didn't happen, I think he does have a point. If europe felt so bad about the holocaust, why did they foist their problem on the middle east instead of dealing with it themselves? (and they haven't dealt with it -- anti-semitism is still widespread there) I don't think anyone can seriously doubt that the Hebrew people have a historical link to the land between the Mediterranean Sea and the Jordan River. In some ways, the Europeanization of this issue began back when Pompey took over the region back in 60 BCE or so. (Please correct me if I'm wrong here!) After the Romans destroyed Jerusalem, the Jewish people HAD no homeland any more. So, in a sense, it IS a European problem. This seems just as damning of the Europeans/americans as the Iranians -- just send the Jews off to somewhere else, and we'll pay for them to defend themselves so we can feel more moral about it, just so long as they leave our countries. I'm not defending Iran here, but I don't think they are the only anti-semitic ones playing on this stage. At least they're being honest. I think you've brought up an excellent point. The anti-Semitism to which you refer still exists all over the world. It's convenient to think that we could move people we don't like somewhere else, just as the Hitlerites originally thought they could solve their problem by exporting Jews, Gypsies and Slavs to Madagascar. The Palestinians, however, are also Semitic in origin, are they not? So in a sense, isn't the Israeli government being racist in its actions, too? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Churchill didn't say it.........
Hi Bob Hi all, There I was, sipping nectar in paradise, minding my own business, wondering at the passing parade and thinking good of all mankind when suddenly - out of the blue, mind you, But it's the best way! :-) not in response to any dastardly deed of mine - Far be it from me wantonly to bemire your nectar, but it wasn't just wanton, what with your substituting Churchill the Great for Churchill the Manipulator like that, I mean it went and woke me up, downright rude awakening I thought, here I was slumbering away peacefully as usual, so I thought I'd tumble you out of your hammock. I was ambushed by Keith's acutely accurate pen; a reminder that we are indeed mortal and that our idols without exception, have feet of clay. Right, so much for idols, that's just what I was saying. Trouble is they're treacherous, don't trust idols, especially not dead ones! Or don't have any idols in the first place. A message for our times? LOL! What a freak show, Barnum would have loved it. Which particular freak show did you think I meant? Anyway, now we have two versions of the hero of Omdurman, with and without Maxim guns and Egyptians to the rescue. I think I'll stick with the Maxim guns version. Best Keith Vide the following mire flung at Winston. (Snip) Churchill though... Very embedded journalist he was during the Boer War and previously. How about this awkward little gem? Churchill is the very type of a corrupt journalist. There is not a worse prostitute in politics. He himself has written that it's unimaginable what can be done in war with the help of lies. - Adolf Hitler, to General Erwin Rommel, 1942. A message for our times? LOL! What a freak show, Barnum would have loved it. With no intention of starting World War Three may I venture some comment. Firstly, in a remarkable number of battles, Winston was certainly deeply imbedded , both a combatant and a journo. Not for him the typewriter in the safe hotel or the regurgitation of Army PR as holy writ. In Afghanistan in the late 1880s he took command of a company of the Thirtyfirst Punjab Infantry during an action in the field when all the senior officers were killed. He knew only two words in Punjabi: maro (kill) and chalo (get on), two which he added an English word - Tallyho - and led the sepoys on his grey pony in a rout of the enemy. In the Sudan two years later talked his way into a field commission as a Lieutenant with the 21st Lancers and took part with distinction in Britain's last great cavalry charge. His dispatches were so evenhanded (on that occasion he described his Arab foes: As brave men as ever walked the earth.) that he earned Kitchener's (head of the imperial forces of those days) undying enmity. On escaping from a Boer prison during the South African War - and defying Kitchener's edict that no war correspondent could be at the front - he joined the South African Light Horse and played a major role during the appalling slaughter in the British defeat at Spion Kop, crawling around the battlefield from trench to trench, stiffening the courage of the lower ranks, arranging for rescue of wounded and minimising further casualties (Manchester, The Last Lion, Vol.1) In short, he was a gung-ho Tory product of his time, doing what his patrician and public school upbringing had trained him to do. Fast forward to the second year of WW2 when the Brits had a straight choice: Hitler or Churchill, fascist or tory (Republican, if you will): one was totalitarian, the other a democrat. (to paraphrase Winston himself: Democracy is the worst possible form of government, except for all the others. In the WW2 stoush between fascism and democracy people didn't have time for the politically correct nitpicking we relish in our generation - in fact they bought us the time we use for our current navel-gazing. There was a job to do. They needed somebody to do it. The Brits chose Churchill (believe it or not, there was a rising groundswell of opinon among the upper classes that Britain should do an insider deal with Hitler). It took Churchill five days to root out the opinion-formers, face them down and get the majority of Brits singing from the same hymnbook. Then he went on public radio and told the average British yobbo that he promised him nothing but blood and toil, sweat and tears. He didn't mince words when it came to stiffening backbone. A year or so later the Americans were confronted with disaster in the Pacific. They too had their naysayers but they also had a patrician in the White House, Roosevelt a democrat who chose two other patricians, army brats Eisenhower and McArthur, to do the job. Save me the agonizing about the inferior/superior qualities of civilisation exhibited by respective fighting forces throughout the ages. For every anti-Nazi quote I'm sure I could find a dozen in favour of Hitler and his minions, ditto for the Empire of the Rising Sun. In short we are
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Zeke Yewdall wrote: From a religious studies perspective, I believe Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all semetic religions, and originally stem from Judaism which was founded (or evolved from previous multi-diety/agricultural religions) in the middle east around 4,000 years ago. Perhaps it's more accurate to say that all three religions stemmed from the faith of a single man, a wanderer (Habiru, in one of the ancient languages) named Abram who believed in God. His sons, Ishmael and Isaac, are reckoned as inheritors of the promises God made to Abram. Islam traces its lineage of faith through Ishmael, the Jews and Christians through Isaac. A tragedy in all of this discussion centers upon promises for prosperity that God made to Abram thousands of years ago. These are used as a pretext to justify all manner of behaviors which God clearly does not approve (murder, theft, covetousness, etc.) by the hypocrisy of ignoring these clear commands for the sake of achieving political ends. If God made the promises, he should be left to deliver on them WITHOUT our getting in the way. (After all, if he is God, why would he need us to help him?) So now we're talking about possible sanctions against Iran. In an interview Karl Vick yesterday, NPR broadcast a contention that Iran's nuclear program was first discovered three years ago, but that it had been going on in secret for 18 years. What I found interesting in this centers upon Karl Vick's admission that the Iranians, according to the provisions of treaties they've signed, have the full right to develop nuclear power. Yet Mr. Vick, who is a reporter for The Washington Post, consistently blended the concepts of nuclear power with nuclear weapons, as if the two were completely interchangeable. Canada has had nuclear power reactors for many years, but nobody worries that Canada is developing WMDs. I don't hear the same kind of concern about nuclear weapons up here that Karl Vick casually mixed in to his discussion with Melissa Block on NPR. One of the most frightening things about this kind of talk, is that once the non-thinking public begins to believe that nuclear power = nuclear weapons, we're easily maneuvered into thinking that the only solution to the potential threat lies in preventing nations like Iran (who are not good like us, after all) from building power plants at all costs. Mr. Vick pointed out, however, that the Iranians see this as scientific apartheid, and that there is no level playing field among nations when it comes to nuclear power. Then, he launched into a comparison of the Iranian president with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez and leftist president Morales of Bolivia. He might as well have said that the Iranians are in league with the devil, given the prevailing attitude of most Americans to those particular leaders. Even though at the very end of the interview he admitted that Iran is talking about power, NOT nuclear weapons, the damage had already been done. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5159746 I was a little disappointed that Melissa Block didn't take her colleague to task over this. It seems like we're being duped again. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. The reason that everyone is so quick to believe that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons is that the current administration is very obviously antagonistic towards them. Most people would try to get weapons themselves if they were in Iran's position to protect themselves against the malevolence of the US. Most people would probably not admit it because that would imply that we are reaping what we sow.On 1/17/06, robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Zeke Yewdall wrote:From a religious studies perspective, I believe Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all semetic religions, and originally stem from Judaism which was founded (or evolved from previous multi-diety/agricultural religions) in the middle east around 4,000 years ago.Perhaps it's more accurate to say that all three religions stemmedfrom the faith of a single man, a wanderer (Habiru, in one of the ancient languages) named Abram who believed in God.His sons, Ishmaeland Isaac, are reckoned as inheritors of the promises God made toAbram.Islam traces its lineage of faith through Ishmael, the Jewsand Christians through Isaac. A tragedy in all of this discussion centers upon promises forprosperity that God made to Abram thousands of years ago.These areused as a pretext to justify all manner of behaviors which God clearly does not approve (murder, theft, covetousness, etc.) by the hypocrisyof ignoring these clear commands for the sake of achieving politicalends.If God made the promises, he should be left to deliver on them WITHOUT our getting in the way.(After all, if he is God, why wouldhe need us to help him?)So now we're talking about possible sanctions against Iran.In aninterview Karl Vick yesterday, NPR broadcast a contention that Iran's nuclear program was first discovered three years ago, but that it hadbeen going on in secret for 18 years.What I found interesting inthis centers upon Karl Vick's admission that the Iranians, accordingto the provisions of treaties they've signed, have the full right to develop nuclear power.Yet Mr. Vick, who is a reporter for TheWashington Post, consistently blended the concepts of nuclear powerwith nuclear weapons, as if the two were completely interchangeable.Canada has had nuclear power reactors for many years, but nobody worries that Canada is developing WMDs.I don't hear the same kind ofconcern about nuclear weapons up here that Karl Vick casually mixed into his discussion with Melissa Block on NPR.One of the mostfrightening things about this kind of talk, is that once the non-thinking public begins to believe that nuclear power = nuclearweapons, we're easily maneuvered into thinking that the only solutionto the potential threat lies in preventing nations like Iran (who arenot good like us, after all) from building power plants at all costs. Mr. Vick pointed out, however, that the Iranians see this asscientific apartheid, and that there is no level playing fieldamong nations when it comes to nuclear power.Then, he launched into a comparison of the Iranian president with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavezand leftist president Morales of Bolivia.He might as well havesaid that the Iranians are in league with the devil, given the prevailing attitude of most Americans to those particular leaders.Even though at the very end of the interview he admitted that Iran istalking about power, NOT nuclear weapons, the damage had already beendone. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5159746I was a little disappointed that Melissa Block didn't take her colleague to task over this.It seems like we're being duped again.robert luis rabelloThe Edge of JusticeAdventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/-- Paul Webber[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
Could you put it through a still like you were going to make your own ethanol? I assume that the biofuel and glycerin are higher boiling points and the methanol will decanter off. Greg O. from MA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 12:04 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Hi Theo Big-time, huh? :-) Hello everyone, I am scaling up the size of my processing units to make about 300-400gallons of biodiesel a day. Right now I do not do any methanol recovery however at the larger scale it makes a lot of finical sense to get back the methanol. I have had a lot of trouble finding somewhat larger devices for recovering the methanol. I was wondering if anyone has experience in this field. The internet mentions methanol recovery but no sights really go into methanol recovery and biodiesl. Any help would be appreciated. am open to either homemade designs or ones that can be purchased. Any useful links or links to pictures would be great. Also is it be to recover methanol form the glycerin, the biodiesel or both? Preferably both, but you should do it at the right stages, and you have to make some decisions about how to handle the by-product. See: Reclaiming excess methanol http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#methreclaim Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. The reason that everyone is so quick to believe that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons is that the current administration is very obviously antagonistic towards them. Most people would try to get weapons themselves if they were in Iran's position to protect themselves against the malevolence of the US. Most people would probably not admit it because that would imply that we are reaping what we sow. Well, if the Bloc Quebecois ever won a majority in Parliament and seriously made an effort to separate from Canada, you might see things change on the south side of the border. I can hear the headlines already: French Vote to Dismantle Democracy in Canada. Hostile French Canadian Government Opposes US Foreign Policy. Alberta Energy Minister Warns Tar Sands Not for Sale. Candu Reactor Suspected of Plutonium Production. US Troops Rescue Canada in Operation Northern Freedom. We Americans would have to come up here and straighten things out, putting those Francophones back into their place, and securing all of that energy that Alberta and British Columbia don't seem to know what to do with. Then, we could put an end to that silly softwood lumber dispute once and for all. You Canadians would welcome us with open arms, after all . . . wouldn't you??? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
And it has been a sore point ever since. I wonder what would have happened had a chunk of Germany been parceled off and given to the Jews. Notwithstanding the historical link to the middle east and all that, there was a perfect excuse after Germany was conquered (as is always the case with conquered lands) for the victors to do as they see fit. Many of the Jews had been living there anyways. The Germans would have had no right to complain about it considering. Granted Europe is not without its history of territorial disputes but I have always wondered what the world would be like today if that choice had been made rather than just going in and forcibly taking control of the area that became Israel?? Quite a lot of Gulf Arabs told me something similar in the late 70s when I was working on Gulf issues, only they said, Why didn't they put it in Australia? Mike posted a Churchill piece about Zionism versus Bolshevism, which of course leads back to the Balfour Declaration. (Lots about all this in the list archives.) There's also this: http://ajedrez_democratico.tripod.com/balfour_declaration.htm The Balfour Declaration A history of perfidy and betrayal in the Mideast gives insight into the motivations behind the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. By Dr. Robert John It's a nest of snakes, this subject, be warned. Not saying don't do it, just don't be too surprised if it starts getting venomous, with facts and integrity an early casualty. Where's that undo button Keith was looking for? C'mon Joe, if you can make a titration kit I'm sure you can make an Undo button, it's the same kind of black magic isn't it? Joe Zeke Yewdall wrote: I believe that the quote from Ahmadinejad saying that he wanted to wipe israel off the map was taken out of context. He was talking about how after World War II, the european powers arbitrarily drew Israel on the map where it didn't exist before (and where other people lived). But it wasn't after World War II, it was after World War I, or during World War 1. Does anyone have the full text of that speach? I'll see if I can find it. Nice point Zeke, I'm glad you found part of it at least. Try this link. Still not the full quote, but more. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4510922.stm If European countries claim that they have killed Jews in World War II... why don't they provide the Zionist regime with a piece of Europe, .Germany and Austria can provide the... regime with two or three provinces for this regime to establish itself, and the issue will be resolved. While he is wrong in his insistence that the holocaust (or the millions of Jews murdered in Europe for the 1000 years before the Holocaust) didn't happen, I think he does have a point. If europe felt so bad about the holocaust, why did they foist their problem on the middle east instead of dealing with it themselves? (and they haven't dealt with it -- anti-semitism is still widespread there) This seems just as damning of the Europeans/americans as the Iranians -- just send the Jews off to somewhere else, and we'll pay for them to defend themselves so we can feel more moral about it, just so long as they leave our countries. I'm not defending Iran here, but I don't think they are the only anti-semitic ones playing on this stage. At least they're being honest. By the way, surveys have found that anti-Semitism in Europe has decreased, but anti-Zionism has increased. Just to distinguish between the two. It's not clear that the Iranians are anti-Semitic, but they're certainly anti-Zionist. But then who in the Middle East isn't anti-Zionist, outside Israel? More than a few Israeli Jews are also anti-Zionist, more than a few American Jews too. Best Keith Zeke ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery?
HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM. HI MIKE! I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of dry gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my fuel usage. Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little bottles and I began to buy boxes of HEET. I drove all over town just to save a few cents on a case. Soon, as I began to feel better and better, and my VW ran better and better. I am ashamed to say I even got my friends involved. We snuck around behind seamy restaurants, liberating oil. We pretended to have drain problems so we could buy lye. We began to just want to be by ourselves, cooking our little batches. We egged each other on. Soon we had quite a litle crowd. Little bottles didn't cut it anymore. One of my buddies knew a guy who could get 5 gallon jugs. Suddenly life was good again. We built bigger and better works. We got brazen. We drove around stinking of oil - Thai food, French Fries and peanut oil. We started to meet the higher ups in the methanol trade. We did a deal and scored 55 gallons. We had quite a racket going. We though we were untouchable. Then it all came crashing down. There was an intervention. Nice white men is suits explained over and over how methanol leads to the destruction of the US economy. Good people at ExxonMobil, Shell and Sunoco would be out of work. They explained how we were a major factor in the collapse of the SUV industry, and the dire condition of GM and Ford. We felt bad. Today I am a happy member of society. I have an SUV and heat my house with petroleum. I drive work from the suburbs. Let my story be a warning to you all: One little bottel of methanol can lead to not just your downfall, but the wholesale collapse of all we hold dear. The American way of life is a blessed one. Be strong against the forces of darkness that seek to mislead you. Do not follow Keith. He is a false prophet. He lives on a mountain in Japan, preaching self-sufficiency. Little do most people know he is really the head of an evil cartel that has huge holdings in methanol, lye and vegetable oil. You have been warned! Oh, he has also cornered the market in Phenopthalein. It's not a false profit, how can you say such a thing? It's true that we did try to corner the market in that stuff but it didn't work because we couldn't spell it right either. Please make sure you get your facts straight next time before you start accusing innocent people of living on mountains and so on. And I don't preach self-sufficiency, all I said was I vunt to be alone. But thanks for asking people not to follow me up here at least. Be Strong! Hmph. Best Keith -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too. Believe me none of us want to have to go down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four times they got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legend has it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides in the vicinity of Sudbury. Dynamite is only resonably effective in dealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight. It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
hehe, a beaver of mass destruction!!LOL!fredOn 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too.Believe me none of us want to have togo down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four timesthey got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons.Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legendhas it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides inthe vicinity of Sudbury.Dynamite is only resonably effective indealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight.It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know.Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
You KNOW her? Fred Finch wrote: hehe, a beaver of mass destruction!! LOL! fred On 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too.Believe me none of us want to have to go down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four times they got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legend has it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides in the vicinity of Sudbury.Dynamite is only resonably effective in dealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight.It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
robert luis rabello wrote: We Americans would have to come up here and straighten things out, putting those Francophones back into their place, and securing all of that energy snip Don't forget about the softwood! Wouldn't do to forgo pilfering that too! And the water. Oh and the salmon or is that all gone now? Ah did I forget anything oh yeah the comedians and country singers, hockey stars, - well the whole game actually, let's see what elseoh yeah how could I forget the aeronautical engineers, the doctors, the nurses, the programmers and uh did I mention the cobalt and the uranium well I guess that goes with the oil and stuff right? I'm warning you operation beaver fever is well under way and these killer forest rats are spin hardened and laugh at the very idea of your F4 wild weasles. Be afraid. Be verrry affraid. J ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Hey Robert, thats exactly what i am telling my Quebecer Freinds since 20 Jears Fritz from Quebec - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. The reason that everyone is so quick to believe that Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons is that the current administration is very obviously antagonistic towards them. Most people would try to get weapons themselves if they were in Iran's position to protect themselves against the malevolence of the US. Most people would probably not admit it because that would imply that we are reaping what we sow.Well, if the Bloc Quebecois ever won a majority in Parliament and seriously made an effort to separate from Canada, you might see things change on the south side of the border. I can hear the headlines already:"French Vote to Dismantle Democracy in Canada.""Hostile French Canadian Government Opposes US Foreign Policy.""Alberta Energy Minister Warns Tar Sands Not for Sale.""Candu Reactor Suspected of Plutonium Production.""US Troops Rescue Canada in Operation Northern Freedom."We Americans would have to come up here and straighten things out, putting those Francophones back into their place, and securing all of that energy that Alberta and British Columbia don't seem to know what to do with. Then, we could put an end to that silly softwood lumber dispute once and for all. You Canadians would welcome us with open arms, after all . . . wouldn't you???robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!
Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man wrote. How can you keep your patients ? Greetings, Pieter. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM. HI MIKE! I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of dry gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my fuel usage. Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little bottles and I began to buy boxes of HEET. I drove all over town just to save a few cents on a case. Soon, as I began to feel better and better, and my VW ran better and better. I am ashamed to say I even got my friends involved. We snuck around behind seamy restaurants, liberating oil. We pretended to have drain problems so we could buy lye. We began to just want to be by ourselves, cooking our little batches. We egged each other on. Soon we had quite a litle crowd. Little bottles didn't cut it anymore. One of my buddies knew a guy who could get 5 gallon jugs. Suddenly life was good again. We built bigger and better works. We got brazen. We drove around stinking of oil - Thai food, French Fries and peanut oil. We started to meet the higher ups in the methanol trade. We did a deal and scored 55 gallons. We had quite a racket going. We though we were untouchable. Then it all came crashing down. There was an intervention. Nice white men is suits explained over and over how methanol leads to the destruction of the US economy. Good people at ExxonMobil, Shell and Sunoco would be out of work. They explained how we were a major factor in the collapse of the SUV industry, and the dire condition of GM and Ford. We felt bad. Today I am a happy member of society. I have an SUV and heat my house with petroleum. I drive work from the suburbs. Let my story be a warning to you all: One little bottel of methanol can lead to not just your downfall, but the wholesale collapse of all we hold dear. The American way of life is a blessed one. Be strong against the forces of darkness that seek to mislead you. Do not follow Keith. He is a false prophet. He lives on a mountain in Japan, preaching self-sufficiency. Little do most people know he is really the head of an evil cartel that has huge holdings in methanol, lye and vegetable oil. You have been warned! Oh, he has also cornered the market in Phenopthalein. It's not a false profit, how can you say such a thing? It's true that we did try to corner the market in that stuff but it didn't work because we couldn't spell it right either. Please make sure you get your facts straight next time before you start accusing innocent people of living on mountains and so on. And I don't preach self-sufficiency, all I said was I vunt to be alone. But thanks for asking people not to follow me up here at least. Be Strong! Hmph. Best Keith -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
More than you know!!!On 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You KNOW her? Fred Finch wrote: hehe, a beaver of mass destruction!! LOL! fred On 1/17/06, Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Webber wrote: The US hasn't been warmongering after Canada for the past 5 years. And it's a damn good thing too.Believe me none of us want to have to go down there AGAIN and kick their butts like we did the last four times they got unruly and we wouldn't want to be forced to burn down their parliament buildings AGAIN either! Let's hope it doesn't come to that. Most people cannot think of a good reason Canada would want nuclear weapons. Well we do have a very ferocious rodent we call the turbo beaver. This is the nefarious creature that appears on the 5 cent peice and legend has it that they have a leader of enormous proportions that resides in the vicinity of Sudbury.Dynamite is only resonably effective in dealing with the dams these buggers build seemingly overnight.It would be nice to have something a tad stronger you know. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Nuclear War against Iran
Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hey Robert, thats exactly what i am telling my Quebecer Freinds since 20 Jears Fritz from Quebec I've never met a Quebecer I didn't like! Long ago, I actually planned to write a book about a US invasion of Canada. I thought a Hispanic soldier from the LA Barrio might meet up with a Francophone resistance fighter and fall in love. He speaks Spanish, she speaks French. She's Roman Catholic, so is he. They both live in within a sea of Anglophones. Silly idea, really . . . Or is it? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] quick video, thought it was interesting
Just ran across this, thought it was interesting.http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1137331521/Never_Charge_Your_Phone_Again ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum.
Back to Science class! Vacuum- I have worked very little with vacuum. While in the Navy, I was learning OJT a little about refrigeration. At that time I was taught inches of Hg. and 30"Hg is the max but extremely hard or impossible to achieve. 5 deg. C = 6.5mm Hg .25"Hg55 deg. C = appr. 110 mm Hg4.33"Hg If H2O is 18 and Hg is 200.59, Hg is 11.14 time heavier .25" Hg = 2.785 " water 4.33" Hg = 48.24 " water Where does micron come in? Dave Miller spoke of an old scientific pump you had that went to 002mm Hg. Scientific pump suggests to a very good pump, but .002 sounds like very little vacuum. (unless zero is not the same place). He also mentioned I should look for a 50? I am sure this will become quite clear, but now, it's not sinking in. Thanks John - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Dewatering with vacuum. David Miller wrote:SnipSomebody had the vapor pressure tables for water earlier in this thread, maybe he could look up the pressure for 55 and 5 degrees C.--- David 5 deg. C = 6.5mm Hg55 deg. C = appr. 110 mm HgIt means that water does not have to be removed from the trap (as was stated ) since water at 5 deg.C has a vapour pressure low enogh as not to interfere with drying the fuel. It will never be perfectly dry and even if you could, it would adsorb water from the air when you take it out of the vacuum chamber. In practical terms just run cold water through your condenser and when the vacuum in the reactor gets to 27" Hg or better you are done! I do it all the time. It works well. I reheat the reactor during washing and after draining the last wash the vacuum is started. An hour later the fuel is dry, crystal clear and ready to use.Joe___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "journeytoforever.org" claiming to be http://journeytoforeverorg/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test
Hello Jan and all Hello Golan and all, from experience I can tell that the methanol test as described on the JtF homepage rather well corresponds to the result you will have from the test according to the EN 14214 regarding the ester content. I agree, see below. Just to be clear, Europe's EN 14214 standard specifies ester content at min. 96.5%, the French standard is the same, Italy and Sweden specify min. 98%, the US ASTM D-6751 standard doesn't specify ester content. EN 14214 is probably the de facto basic world standard. However, if the methanol test shows e.g. 1 ml (4%) of undissolved oil in the measuring glass, you can expect an ester content of 92-94% according to the EN norm. In order to meet the norm with an ester content of min 96,5%, the methanol test will have to show no undissolved oil at all. I tried the methanol test several times and didn't get any result. So I tried it with some other fuel, some biodiesel made by a newbie brewer before we helped him to improve it, and some fuel from commercial producers here in Japan, and then I got results, very clear! Just as Jan described it in his original message. Since then we've been working with a university lab that's tested our biodiesel with their gaskro (GC), using samples from standard production batches, not test-batch samples, just the usual stuff we make all the time, and the results show FAME content of 98.5%. Which is why we didn't get any result with the methanol test. I've also seen other lab tests which tend to confirm the results I got with the commercial fuel methanol tests. Joe asked: So my question once again is who else uses this test and how is it going for you? Does anyone get a perfect result (no fallout) from this test? And finally should I be concerned by a couple of percent contamination in my fuel? I think it's a very useful test. Should you be concerned, well, it's up to you. These might help, if you haven't already seen them: The Fuel Injection Equipment (FIE) Manufacturers (Delphi, Stanadyne, Denso, Bosch) on biodiesel quality: Summary -- html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_FIEM.html Full document -- Acrobat file, 104kb http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/FIEM.pdf Determining the Influence of Contaminants on Biodiesel Properties, Jon H. Van Gerpen et al., Iowa State University, July 31, 1996 -- 12,000-word report on contaminants and their effects. Acrobat file, 2.1Mb http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/bdgerpen96.pdf Best Keith pH measurements are difficult and the right conclusions from these measurements can be even harder to draw. But, a neutral BD can have a pH value of anything between 4,5 -7, depending upon which other substances are present in the BD. It is also important to know that the pH scale is logarithmic when judging the results of the measurements. If a WVO has a pH value above 7, it means that there are alkaline compounds present, probably tenside remains. The way of succeeding with biodiesel production goes through an accurate raw material control, adjusting the recipe and process details according to that. Good luck to you ! Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Golan Shmuel To: mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgBiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jan's Methanol test hi joe iuse the test and it still gives me hadeake . at list half of the times are not as it should be im at the begining of the way and it give me direction. i just put abigger pump and it already looking better i alsow parchesed a PH tester and i start to take test from old BD sampels (unwashed)resault 12.2-13.3 how doese that sound? tested as well somewvo i got 8.4-8.5 i thought it should be acid? have u got any idea all the best golan On 13/01/06, JJJN mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joe, I use every test on JtF to test my Bio and also the the Hanna Instruments test for Glycol. I do this every single batch. I have never had any fallout in Jans test to date.(Knock Knock Knock on wood) ( I measure it out precisely ) I have graduated to the base/base method and have had absolutely great results. That said I got into a washing awhile back that was not as good as I like so I investigated and found that I am dealing with FFA's that are higher than I want. I am moving to the acid/base learning phase for that. I did also learn that if I pour the WVO that is liquid and on top at 28 deg F into a bucket and process the stuff that gets clumpy (on bottom) I greatly reduce the FFA's in the oil. (14% or so lower) compairitably (tests of each done side by side same temp same everything except oil and very precise). So in the future winter freeze cycles I will cut out the dark top stuff and save for Acid processing. I have since adopted this and my bio stands up
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !!
For all the different races creeds right down to individual family structures the thought patterns and the associated thought denominators are infinite. Common sense is not. For Keith to take the time to respond to the mail lets me know that 1/ he is alive and well on the hill/mountain and 2/ is not discriminatory but has a site open to all. For a whole to work as one it needs to understand all the globally diverse denominators and thus the responses to address them. Who knows where Mike or Keith will finish up or the influences/legacies they leave behind. Twould appear that nothing is immortal not even the earth we tread under foot. Doug Handisides - Original Message - From: Bioclaire Nederland [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2006 5:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? Amazing !! *** No virus was detected in the attachment no filename Your mail has been scanned by InterScan. ***-*** Amazing Keith, that you put any time in stupid articles like this man wrote. How can you keep your patients ? Greetings, Pieter. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2006 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol Recovery? HI MY NAME IS MIKE AND I HAVE A METHANOL PROBLEM. HI MIKE! I first began using methanol just on the weekends. A few bottles of dry gas here and there, just enought to make myself feel better about my fuel usage. Then it got to be too expensive to buy methanol in little bottles and I began to buy boxes of HEET. I drove all over town just to save a few cents on a case. Soon, as I began to feel better and better, and my VW ran better and better. I am ashamed to say I even got my friends involved. We snuck around behind seamy restaurants, liberating oil. We pretended to have drain problems so we could buy lye. We began to just want to be by ourselves, cooking our little batches. We egged each other on. Soon we had quite a litle crowd. Little bottles didn't cut it anymore. One of my buddies knew a guy who could get 5 gallon jugs. Suddenly life was good again. We built bigger and better works. We got brazen. We drove around stinking of oil - Thai food, French Fries and peanut oil. We started to meet the higher ups in the methanol trade. We did a deal and scored 55 gallons. We had quite a racket going. We though we were untouchable. Then it all came crashing down. There was an intervention. Nice white men is suits explained over and over how methanol leads to the destruction of the US economy. Good people at ExxonMobil, Shell and Sunoco would be out of work. They explained how we were a major factor in the collapse of the SUV industry, and the dire condition of GM and Ford. We felt bad. Today I am a happy member of society. I have an SUV and heat my house with petroleum. I drive work from the suburbs. Let my story be a warning to you all: One little bottel of methanol can lead to not just your downfall, but the wholesale collapse of all we hold dear. The American way of life is a blessed one. Be strong against the forces of darkness that seek to mislead you. Do not follow Keith. He is a false prophet. He lives on a mountain in Japan, preaching self-sufficiency. Little do most people know he is really the head of an evil cartel that has huge holdings in methanol, lye and vegetable oil. You have been warned! Oh, he has also cornered the market in Phenopthalein. It's not a false profit, how can you say such a thing? It's true that we did try to corner the market in that stuff but it didn't work because we couldn't spell it right either. Please make sure you get your facts straight next time before you start accusing innocent people of living on mountains and so on. And I don't preach self-sufficiency, all I said was I vunt to be alone. But thanks for asking people not to follow me up here at least. Be Strong! Hmph. Best Keith -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
