Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005
Hakan, This was quite an interesting post. It is unfortunate that you have, a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. however, as long as it is still acceptable for me to choose my own sentences, I would prefer to do so, regardless of your problems. If my opinion happens to be that there are too many people on planet earth, whether I am right, or not, isn't really the point now is it? The point is that I can have, and share, my opinion freely with anyone, whether it's here in the USA, or in Africa, doesn't matter. Freedom is always the point. My reply was in response to JD2005's post. I didn't understand a particular portion of his posting, so I asked him for clarification. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: JD2005 Mike, I have a big problem with sentences about too many running around in the world. Keith have repeatedly shown that the world can support a good number of more people, if we started to be smarter and less egoistic. It is very symptomatic that the population group that complains most, is the most wasteful and egoistic group of people. If we take the worst example, it must be the corporate led US, who definitely set a very telling example of the kind of disloyalty that is absolutely non-sustainable. On energy, the US is using 25% of the world resources, of which 80% are wasted by lack of efficiency and other excess behavior. On pollution they lack responsibility. On food supply they are developing methods (GM) that are more designed to monopolize food supplies, than provide any contribution to sustainability for the world. The last can threaten the whole worlds attempts to achieve any kind of sustainability. It is a totally unsustainable corporate dream, to more or less patent life and reap profits for a few in the process. It will only result in enormous conflicts, that in the end will be won by the numbers. It is no way that a small percentage of the world population can control the masses in a peaceful world. To manage the world, it must be a consensus by at least 20 to 30% of the world population, on 4% it cannot be done! If we start to talk about too many people running around, then the next question must be who they are. It then will be sorted out by what is sustainable, at the end it is no other possibility. The alternative is to start to move towards sustainability, with necessary voluntary adjustments of the excesses, greater efficiency, loyalty and cooperation. This is the way that people survived in the past, but not without being painfully forced to do it. The only question is if we can do it with less pain this time? The Communist extremes has been adjusted, now it is the turn of the extremes of Capitalism and Corpracy to be adjusted. It is a petty that our lifes are so short, I really would have liked to see how the current challenges pan out. Hakan At 11:52 PM 3/9/2005, you wrote: JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Howdy JD, One of us has got their spurs on just a little to tight. Now I've read, and re-read, this post at least 3 times. Each time everything goes just fine, until I hit that last section. At that point, things get a little, well...I just am not making the connection. Now as far as shear numbers go, I'm with you there. I am also of the opinion that this beautiful blue marble has way too many humans running around on her surface. But, would you please clarify this sentence: If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? I am having one **ll of a time understanding what you mean here. Frankly, I don't see the relationship between fossil fuels, renewable energy sources and the current population. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid? Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been
Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator
thanks for the link, cool simulator! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator I know its does not cover everything but it is quite useful and a great teaching tool. On another level it is nothing compared to some of the software that I have seen. Just the same it gets the job done. I copied some breadboarded voltage doublers and triplers I had lying around by drawing the circuit in the api. At the time of building the original protos, I had done all sorts of modifications with real components, testing various effects on the breadboards etc. I then spent hours, studing various simulations/operating parameters on some of the circuits I m working on and the program reacts correctly and gives out real time data corresponding with my original breadboards as well as correctly simulating original operating modification specs. So it is accurate. Just as a time saver in trying out new ideas, collecting circuit data, scope shots, it does the job quite well with no fuss and its free. ---Original Message--- From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] circuit simulator Sent: 10 Mar 2005 02:10:04 ...not bad. As as student I was exposed to all the mainstream simulators (p-spice, microcap, etc.). But there is one that I've been using for about five years called TINA Pro. It is the most comprehensive simulator package that I've seen so far that doesn't cost thousands of dollars. http://www.designsoftware.com/ Last time I checked, it was $50.00 and there is a student version that you can download for free! Mike info [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I've been playing around with an excellent circuit simulator applet. I had some circuit prototypes from a few years back. I copied the circuits in the java applet and did a bunch of modifications, testing all the way to see if the applet actually duplicated original real time component parameters and circuit changes. It did and it follows all the rules and allows you to simulate many different circuits and conditions. Many of you will realize what a time saver this simulator is. I have had hours of fun with it and am now using it to test some ideas that I am working on. I hope you all love it as much as I do. It is really useful, Here's the link http://www.alternate-energy.net/aps/circuit_simulator05.html Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: A timely reminder from Ben Franklin
Kenneth, Please excuse the intrusion into your conversation. I found both the spirit of your post, as well as the content, timely and refreshing, and I wanted to say thanks. It reminded me of some rules I have that could use a little dusting off right about now. I'm not exactly sure when it happened, but somewhere along the way, I to went from clueless, ignorant young knucklehead to Mr.. fix-it, super-dad, I know-everything. The thing I am most thankful for about all that nonsense is that evolution continues! Anyway, thanks again, great post! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Kenneth Kron (CEO) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 12:18 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: A timely reminder from Ben Franklin Bo, I wanted to say thanks for you thoughtful and well informed postings. I think it behooves all of us to realize when we're hearing each others ego and not each others spirit. I believe it happens to us all and of course we never sound to ourselves the way we sound to those we are communicating with, Ben Franklin and Richard Moon are a couple of my models in the area of communicating. Here's what Ben had so say from [1]http://earlyamerica.com/lives/franklin/chapt8/ My list of virtues contained at first but twelve; but a Quaker friend having kindly informed me that I was generally thought proud; that my pride show'd itself frequently in conversation; that I was not content with being in the right when discussing any point, but was overbearing, and rather insolent, of which he convinc'd me by mentioning several instances; I determined endeavouring to cure myself, if I could, of this vice or folly among the rest, and I added Humility to my list) giving an extensive meaning to the word. I cannot boast of much success in acquiring the reality of this virtue, but I had a good deal with regard to the appearance of it. I made it a rule to forbear all direct contradiction to the sentiments of others, and all positive assertion of my own. I even forbid myself, agreeably to the old laws of our Junto, the use of every word or expression in the language that imported a fix'd opinion, such as certainly, undoubtedly, etc., and I adopted, instead of them, I conceive, I apprehend, or I imagine a thing to be so or so; or it so appears to me at present. When another asserted something that I thought an error, I deny'd myself the pleasure of contradicting him abruptly, and of showing immediately some absurdity in his proposition; and in answering I began by observing that in certain cases or circumstances his opinion would be right, but in the present case there appear'd or seem'd to me some difference, etc. I soon found the advantage of this change in my manner; the conversations I engag'd in went on more pleasantly. The modest way in which I propos'd my opinions procur'd them a readier reception and less contradiction; I had less mortification when I was found to be in the wrong, and I more easily prevail'd with others to give up their mistakes and join with me when I happened to be in the right. snip snip Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel [2]http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. [4]Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. References 1. http://earlyamerica.com/lives/franklin/chapt8/ 2. http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ 3. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 4. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faust ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: JD2005
JD2005 wrote: snip I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? Howdy JD, One of us has got their spurs on just a little to tight. Now I've read, and re-read, this post at least 3 times. Each time everything goes just fine, until I hit that last section. At that point, things get a little, well...I just am not making the connection. Now as far as shear numbers go, I'm with you there. I am also of the opinion that this beautiful blue marble has way too many humans running around on her surface. But, would you please clarify this sentence: If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? I am having one **ll of a time understanding what you mean here. Frankly, I don't see the relationship between fossil fuels, renewable energy sources and the current population. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] possible to have a diesel hybrid? Hi; Ive been wondering out in the wilderness of the internet looking into boidiesel and SVO and the like.Alot of the most recent questions may be answered by a vistit to: http://www.biofuels.ca Particuarluy those about drying and cleaning waste vegetable oil plus the suitability of diesels. I've also been thinking that there are too many people.If we hadn't got into burning fossil fuels but used renewable oils, wind and sun etc. instead, there would not be so many people would there? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] lost in translation- OT
Hello Kim, I'm not going to be much help on this one. I honestly have no idea if there is such wood from China, or anywhere else, that matches the qualities you report. But I will say this, if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and in this case, smells like a duck.then it's probably a cedar duck : ) Imho, perhaps there was indeed a mix-up, and cedar chairs were put into fir boxes prior to being shipped. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 07, 2005 7:27 AM Subject: [Biofuel] lost in translation- OT Greetings, This weekend, my DH and I bought some wood chairs made in China. The box says they are fir, but they sure smell like cedar and look like cedar to us. Is this a miss translation or is there a wood in China that is called fir that looks and smells like North American cedar? If so, does anyone know the properties of this wood? Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] oscillatory flow reactor
Hello ccm, Here is a link to the University of Cambridge, Department of Chemical Engineering's site titled Oscillatory Flow Mixing. http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/research/groups/polymer/OFM/ The front page shows this site to have been updated as recently as December 2004. This information, specifically oscillatory flow mixing, and the link to the site I quoted above, are both already contained within the Journey To Forever website under the Continuous reactors header, on the Biodiesel processors page. As far as being able to put you in contact with living, breathing, carbon-based life forms to assist you in your project...my only suggestion would be to: 1) go through this site diligently, and use any contact us links you find, and 2) get in touch with the individual whose email you attached your post to when you posted your message to the list. Since the both of you are doing similar, if not the same project, you should be able to help one another out. Best of luck, AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. Why do people pay to go up tall buildings and then put money in binoculars to look at things on the ground? - Original Message - From: ccm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 5:23 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] oscillatory flow reactor Dear Sirs, I am also student in university I am interested on OFR? How can I get contact with people to help me? Regard ccm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Nayer Sultana Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 10:19 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] oscillatory flow reactor i am a final year student of chemical engineering (BUET). i am doing a design project on making biodiesel from used vegetable oil. designing an oscillatory flow reactor is a part of my project but i dont have any information abt the design considerations for OFR. i have to design an industrial scale reactor in detail so a guideline to OFR designing would be very helpfull. as i am just an undergrad student i know very little abt reactor designing and i am seriously in need of help thanks nayer _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] oscillatory flow reactor
Hello Nayer, I got this address off of the Journey to Forever website. You should take some time and read through the info on the JTF site, you won't believe all the information compiled here, but it won't do you any good if you don't read it. Happy hunting. http://www.cheng.cam.ac.uk/groups/polymer/OFM_page.html AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. On a Septic Tank Truck in Oregon: Yesterday's Meals on Wheels - Original Message - From: Nayer Sultana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 2:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] oscillatory flow reactor i am a final year student of chemical engineering (BUET). i am doing a design project on making biodiesel from used vegetable oil. designing an oscillatory flow reactor is a part of my project but i dont have any information abt the design considerations for OFR. i have to design an industrial scale reactor in detail so a guideline to OFR designing would be very helpfull. as i am just an undergrad student i know very little abt reactor designing and i am seriously in need of help thanks nayer _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] cone bottom barrels
Howdy J.L., J.T.F. also has some great info on making your own cone bottom processor: http://www.journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor3.html for those who are interested. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA A sign seen recently in a non-smoking area: If we see smoke, we will assume you are on fire and take appropriate action. On a Septic Tank Truck in Oregon: Yesterday's Meals on Wheels - Original Message - From: J.L.Burney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 4:03 AM Subject: [Biofuel] cone bottom barrels hiya guys I haven't posted in a long while but here goes a post that will help a lot of you out. first take your barrel and turn it upside down then take some construction paper and make a cone out of it that will fit the barrel.tape or glue the cone into the desired shape then cut it in a straight line down one side. now you have a pattern to mark your steel with.cut weld and mount your brand new steel cone bottom.if you want a cone to be a specific size then just run a tape measure down the center of the cone and reduce / increase the spiral in the cone. this is by far the easiest way I have found to make cone bottom tanks.I have 4 tanks that I put cones on this way. 2 15 gal a 30 gal and one 55 gal hope this help guys good luck and just FYI guys keep those patterns around you never know when you will need them again ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia and Ruralization
AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] End of Suburbia and Ruralization Greetings, I think our definitions of what is rural and what is urban need to be straightened out. If you live in a town, on an ordinary lot, in a single family home, you live an urban lifestyle, no matter where it is. I would have agreed with you, Kim, until I moved from urban Texas, to rural Minnesota. To be just blatantly honest, I can hardly tell a difference, other than distance. Urban and rural, country and city, don't mean much in America anymore. I guess maybe I need more definition from you. Are you seperating urban and rural by their treatment of waste water? Or are you defining them as being town = urban, no town = rural? Just FYI, the town I now live in, has a population of 214! No kidding. I still think they are making that number up, there's no way this town has over 200 people living in it. McDonalds? Not around any corner for 20+ miles. WalMart? Nope, 34+ miles. We have a post office, 2 churches, 1 mechanic, 2 bars (have to balance out the churches I guess), 1 wedding dress shop (???). The reason I say this, is because only small lots require water and waste treatment plants. And that is a fallacy, too. Have you ever tried disconnecting your house, within city limits, from city water and sewer? To put it mildly, it is an extremely difficult proposition. I actually checked into doing this, not once, but twice, when I was still in Texas. I was fortunate to have a family member who is employed by a city that borders Galveston Bay. He made some inquiries on my behalf regarding the disconnecting an existing sewer hook-up, and as I'm sure you are all aware, that went over like a lead balloon. I never said I handled it the best possible way, I just said that I had actually checked into it. My point is that even if one engages the brain at all times, current author excluded of course, and works incredibly diligently at keeping his/her impact(s) on the environment to acceptable minimums, our infrastructure and inability to adapt, with anything that resembles acceptable speed, is not allowing us to change. Actually, compost toilets and grey water systems work really well, improve your land and have no waste. They do not require public works and are not bad for the environment. The problem is that one must engage the brain at all times, when using the systems or yes, you could make yourself very sick. To live in the country does require a higher degree of organization and more of a willingness to do for oneself, even if it is just cooking your own meals. We don't have a McDonalds just around every corner. I meet lots of people who are living a life based on fear, and are so unhappy. They simply do not understand that it is the lack of skills that is causing this problem. This is especially easy to see in middle-aged single moms, living in the country without the skills to look after their own place. Add to that a limited income, and yes I do understand the fear. The thing is, the skills are not that difficult to acquire. There is a real joy, in eating a meal that with the exception of the salt and pepper, came from your land, was processed 100% on the land and in a home that your built yourself. It is fun setting an example of how it can be done, in reasonable comfort and in safety. It is empowering to know that you can survive whatever is coming down the road. Yeah, I guess I am kinda subversive. But what else would you expect from an old hippie? grin Bright Blessings, Kim snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel strainer
And to think they're fighting to keep Wal-mart out of N.Y. ? How on earth are we going to fix our trucks? Nice job Jeremy! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: TLC Orchids and Such [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2005 9:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Fuel strainer I was having a problem with my fuel system(f250 6.9L). Stalling, loss of power, white smoke and stall when I mashed the fuel pedal ect. So I started at the the tank and worked my way up. (by the way I havn't started using BD yet, it's in the wash tank) I droped the tank, The first thing I noticed was the lack of a fuel strainer. There were a few pieces of ruber\plastic, a screen and some remnant of some sort of diaphragm. I started checking auto parts stores with no luck. The dealer only carries the sending unit with the fuel strainer $138.99 of course I had them order the part right away (to inspect the construction of the fuel strainer I.E. what the strainer looked like before it fell apart and got sucked into my fuel line). It arived the next morning. I removed it from the box, made some measurements and went to Walmart (housewares). I found a Stainless steel funnel $3.50, Then to Home Depot (plumbing) 3/8-3/8 compression fitting $3.00. I pulled out my angle grinder, cut off the neck, then I took one of the compression nuts and ground past the flair (making it a threaded sleeve) I put the fitting through and tightened it down. It still wasn't a strainer yet so back to walmart. I found a steel stationary holder $2.38, chopped it up, wrapped it around the funnel tightened the other end of the compression fitting to the fuel line and dropped it in the tank. Stainless steel funnel $3.50 3/8-3/8 compression fitting $3.00 steel stationary holder $2.38 Total $8.88 Not having to pay the dealer $138.99 for a part I didn't need - priceless Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap
Spontaneously Combusting Republicans! (ROTFLMAO) Best damn idea I've heard in years. Probably wouldn't be very efficient, but man would that be a sight for sore eyes. Keith, I really have to give you credit on that one. Caught me completely by surprise, good one! I'm going to have to have some t-shirts printed up. Husband and wife on the front, husband turns to wife and asks Is there anything left to smile about?, she replies oh ya, with a twinkle in her eye, and on the back of the t-shirt, Spontaneously_Combusting_Republicans. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap Hello Rick Dear Keith, You are right of course. I should study the whole treaty rather than rely on what I read about it. Also, my thanks to you for untangling my sentence about Republicans. Um, sorry, wearing my editor's hat in the wrong place, but I was tempted by the idea of using spontaneously combusting Republicans as an energy source. I may be being a pessimist here but I don't see the world doing much about global warming in time to stop it's effects. But do you the propose that therefore we shouldn't even try? Even if the US got on board the agreements don't seem to me to go far enough. As I said, all concerned freely acknowledge that. Nobody closely involved with the Kyoto Protocol sees it as a final document, nor as perfect, just as a first step - it enables further steps. I know, go read them OK I will. By your own figures, a 60 - 80 % cut in CO2, there would have to be a massive change in the way we generate our energy. Yup. Look at China just since the treaty was negotiated. Living in a dream. Look at South East Asia. I think little can be done until an alternative system for producing energy that doesn't pollute and provides the same amount of energy is in place. We've discussed this so much here, and other people have discussed it so much elsewhere. Have a look at Lovins's Negawatts, for instance, or at the many studies that show how appropriate energy offers jobs and prosperity along with everything else, not least to local economies. ... provides the same amount of energy? Another dream... What bothers me more than the US failure to sign the treaty is that lack of serious commitment to replacing fossil fuels. The hydrogen economy proposed by Bush is a joke. Lack of serious commitment on the part of whom? Corporations with a vested interest in fossil fuels and the status quo and the governments they own, mainly, along with those spun or sent to sleep by the PR they pay for. What's said here very often is that merely replacing fossil fuel use is no answer, nor even an option: in the OECD countries at any rate, a rational energy future requires great reductions in energy use (currently mostly waste), great improvements in energy use efficiency, and, most important, decentralisation of supply to the small-scale or farm-scale local-economy level, along with the use of all ready-to-use renewable energy technologies in combination as the local circumstances require. The powers-that-be will just love that, eh? Nonetheless, that's the context within which biofuels make sense, not in any cloud-cuckooland scenario of providing the same amount of energy, or as the US DoE and many others see it, not the same amount but more according to projections of current growth figures. Dream on! Look at these energy use figures: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_404.html#energyuse On a per capita basis, the US uses 5.4 times more than its fair share of the world's energy, the EU 2.6 times its share, Germany 2.6 times its share, France 2.8 times its share, Japan 2.7 times its share, Australia 3.8 times its share... The average American uses twice as much energy as the average European or Japanese and 155 times as much as the average Nepalese. In terms of production, Americans produce more per head than Europeans and about the same as Japanese, but they use twice as much energy as the Japanese to do it. The Japanese tend to think their use of energy is efficient, and I suppose it is by comparison, but all I see here in Japan is waste, waste, waste. Have a look at these previous messages for a different view: http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1395/ How much fuel can we grow? http://archive.nnytech.net/sgroup/BIOFUELS-BIZ/1801/ Re: Biofuels hold key to future of British farming As to the effect of global; warming I think your comparison with Venus is a bit over the top. We're discussing what's called the Greenhouse Effect, triggered by high carbon levels in the atmosphere. Venus is a greenhouse planet. If we all sit here twiddling our thumbs much longer Earth could well also be a greenhouse planet - that's what could come of doing nothing,
Re: [Biofuel] Re: ethanol stove and barbeque
Hello John, Thanks for the explanation. Now it all makes much more sense to me. I look forward to reading about your results, as conditions permit. Best of luck. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 8:50 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: ethanol stove and barbeque My question to you is why ethanol? What drove you to select ethanol as the replacement fuel source for this application Hi Anti Fossil, . Several reasons. First there is the danger of propane. Propane is a gas that under pressure is a liquid. I admit I am too careless with propane. I would like to get rid of it for safety reasons if nothing else. You should wear safety equipment when filling, transporting and attaching the propane cylinder to the BBQ. The liquid propane boils to a gas when the pressure is released. If when attaching the tank to the BBQ or upon filling or at anytime you get a liquid propane leak and get it in your eye, your eye ball will be instantly frozen. Ethanol on the other hand is so non toxic that government requires that you make it toxic before you are allowed to use it. Now doesn't that make sense to a Bureaucrat. Propane is considered a clean fuel but it is a fossil fuel. Ethanol is a renewable fuel, it is much cleaner than propane and it is free! and I like free! There is the labour in converting the organic potato and apple waste by fermentation from a restaurant and then a small energy charge in the distilling process. There is danger involved in the tank and BBQ conversion so I do not recommend that anyone actually try it without professional help of which I am not. I plan to wait until warm weather to use the sun to help purge the tank so it will be a while before I attempt the conversion. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in central heating burners
I would echo Malcolm's suggestion of using stainless steel in your situation. Are you fabricating parts on your own, or looking for pre-fabricated parts? I would imagine, depending on the level of modifications done, finding pre-fab parts will be a chore to say the least. I am building a WVO heater, but it is a new construction, and not yet operational. I did decide to go with 1/4 stainless steel tubing for the fuel line for exactly the reason your message explains. I am trying to minimize the downtime required for cleaning the burner assembly, as well as extend the service life of this heater. Wish I could've been more help. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Andreas W Ohnsorge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:38 AM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO in central heating burners Currently I am running my central heating on WVO in a modified Mannesman (blue) burner. Modified because the material used in the nozzle, the filter and in the pre-heater (sintered bronze, brass) oxidizes over time and cloggs the nozzle. Because of these problems I have been speaking to several experts from the nozzle / pump / burner producers and they told me that I should get rid of all devices that contain copper in any form (means: housings of filters, valves, pipes,...) which I am currently doing. In addition their comment was that in some of their long term experiments even iron seemed to corrode under the influence of the organic acids of vegetable oil. Does anyone out there has any knowledge where to get the proper equipment that is suitable for such an operation (means heat resitant up to 120 - 150 degrees Celsius, resistant against organic acids, works with pressures of about 20 - 30 bar - and: is not too expensive)? I would really appreciate a discussion about experiences in this area... Regards Andreas P.S: I am living in Germany Abraham-Lincoln-Park 1 65189 Wiesbaden Germany Phone: +49.611.142.22608 Fax: +49.611.142.980028 Mobile: +49 172 - 8 43 30 32 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Internet: Experience Results. Experience CSC. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto - a start but far from perfect..was Kyoto- nothingbut a buch of
Bravo Info AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: info [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 18, 2005 5:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto - a start but far from perfect..was Kyoto- nothingbut a buch of Kyoto sets up a legally binding agreement between the countries that have signed on. (140) This obliges U.S corps to upgrade their operations to conform to the new regulations in place in the signee country that they are doing business in. So if they can clean up their acts there, they can do it at home as well. 18 U.S. states and counting, major U.S. and Canadian pension plans and others have been jumping on the bandwagon. What are these 'junk science' studies that are sited. If you search long enough, you can find all sorts of 'studies' to deny that human activity is effecting the climate, all is well, oil will last forever etc etc. The accord is an opportunity for helping to create millions of jobs and tapping a trillion $(s) market for alternative energy tech, emission control, energy efficiency, products-services, biofuels, hybrid vehicles and hundreds of related industries. There has never been a better time for these technologies to enter the market mainstream and obtain economies of scale needed to continue to bring costs down. China, India, U.S. and others are not included this time so it is far from perfect but to be fair even they have realised that 'business can't go on as usual anymore'. What it does do is give countries a frame work to think beyond 2012, to hopefully include every one in a fair agreement and how we find ways/means to adapt to climate change. With expected huge increases in the earths energy intensity in the coming years, we are going to require every manner of innovative clean technologies to even put a dent in what we need to run this place without poisoning it. Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of Sent: 18 Feb 2005 18:29:06 snip Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science. Simulations that can't even predict better than random number generators. Hockey stick temperature graphs that the author will not even provide source data or equations for. Stratospherically temperatures that are running opposite to GW models. Kyoto is going to be economic suicide and I predict that most of Europe is going to figure it out and run as fast as they can. I give it 3-5 years then UK and Russia are going to jump ship. It also will not effect the US since we never signed the treaty. Just Random thoughts. Mark Re: Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to syphon from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has very little to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do not have a supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge. I understand your feelings. However, in my San Joaquin Valley basin the worsening air pollution are now making my regional area LESS competitive. Housing is relatively inexpensive compared to Bay area and LA, yes, but the resulting congestion and bad urban planning is contributing to increase PM, Ozone, and extreme air pollution warnins. It was not always this way. My once former beautiful San Joaquin Valley Basin is now the most air polluted and soon the most water polluted basin in the United States and has the third or fourth highest poverty rate and some of the highest drug rates in the nation. One reason why I moved to the Bay Area but still volunteer my time in San Joaquin Valley. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ---Original Message--- Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque
Over reacting? OK. Well, you certainly sound as if you have your plans ironed out for the most part. My question to you is why ethanol? What drove you to select ethanol as the replacement fuel source for this application? Are there any alternatives to ethanol that could serve in this capacity? I would like as many details, in the form of test results, as you feel like sharing with this list as I would be quite interested in this area. I personally don't think ethanol is a prudent choice, however, I will admit to being no more a chemist than I am an astronaut. Someone on this list would certainly know, what ethanol exhaust gases contain? Are there specific gases, or chemicals within the exhaust gases, that would preclude it's use as a cooking fuel? Or maybe someone can offer a link? In the meantime, I'm off to google. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque Ethanol vapor? Am I the only one looking for a hole in the ground around here? I'm taking the pup's down the hole with me John, just in case! Hi Anti Fossil, I think you are over reacting. The plenum on a propane BBQ is a flat plenum with the holes in the bottom. I think, and this is only THEORY!! that once the valve is cracked open and the alcohol is lit with a BBQ lighter the alcohol inside the premium will vaporize in the absence of air and will be no different that the propane it replaces with the exception that one will have to wait for the BBQ to warm up before a good burn will occur. Once the alcohol reaches that stage the valve can be turned to whatever setting is needed and you will be cooking with a much cleaner and healthier fuel. If I get it to work in my BBQ then I will go to my oxygen acetylene torches and change the propane I am using instead of Acetylene with the alcohol plus something else to increase the BTUs to make it better for welding and cutting. You ask what are my plans? Well I will have to start at the beginning. My first interest is to build a river to power that river I designed a 15 kw wind turbine. A true turbine consisting of two to four propellers unlike the single propeller wind generators which are labeled turbines. This turbine has no need for battery storage as it generates grid quality electricity, generates electricity in 5 kw stages and uses power generation as a brake instead of an actual brake. If more than 15 kw is required to stall the turbine a breaking system then kicks in.. I picked up an excellent used water heater for nothing. I have a wood baseboard water heating system in the house backed up by a separate oil fired hot water furnace. Don't use either one use an air tight up stairs. I planned to place electric elements in the wood furnace and use the turbine to heat the house, hot water and sell the remaining power to NS Power. Thought Private power magazine I learned of Bio Diesel. and put the turbine on the back burner because I can probably do the same thing with WVO easier. I started experimenting with formulas and now have WVO formulas that will function at -20C and have been burning WVO in my Golf this winter without heating the fuel filter or tank. I have been using a fifty : fifty mix of WVO and Diesel with Howe Diesel treat. Don't need the fifty : fifty mix a 1:0.3:.0.005 will remain fluid and clear at -20 c. Haven 't been brave enough to try that one in the Golf yet. I will wait until I get all the heating in place first. In 100 ml of WV0 10 ml of methyl hydrate will emulsify using 30 ml of diesel or furnace oil and remain fluid but milky at -20C. I bought a 12 v to 110v, 300 watt inverter that can plug into my cigarette lighter and a 150 watt magnetic oil pan heater that I can put on my fuel filter but have never had to install it. I plan to add a piece of sheet metal to my fuel tank so I can stick a magnet tank heated externally to the tank. I would like to be able to start up and shut down on b100 but haven't added the extra tank or three way fuel switch yet. Thought I would touch base with this list and pick the brains on the list to see if I am headed in the right direction and run a few ideas past the list members for critic. Don't want to reinvent the wheel and do not want to ruin an engine. I picked up a source of WVO but also had to take their potato peelings and apple peelings as well, and holly smoke they put out a pile of potato peel and apple peel in a day and to me it seemed like a virtual gold mine of ethanol and butanol and I sent away to excise Canada for a permit to set up a still consisting of the used electric hot water heater. I picked up an old agitator ringer washer for a mixing tub a tremendous stainless steel three partition separating tank approximately 16 ft long that could not be designed better if it was designed
Re: [Biofuel] Kyoto...
Thanks for the re-cap Keith, Sounds like it was quite an event. Perhaps a little too predictable, but important, and even historic, none the less. Thanks again, to both you and Midori, because by your attendance, you did represent those members of this list who would have chosen to go, IMHO. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 3:12 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Kyoto... ... in which prefecture we live and operate Journey to Forever, and which has lent its name to the Kyoto Protocol, which finally after seven years became official yesterday, 16 February 2005. From the AP coverage at CNN: The agreement, negotiated in Japan's ancient capital of Kyoto in 1997 and ratified, accepted, approved or assented by 141 nations including the European Union (EU), officially went into force at midnight New York time (0500 GMT). Environmental officials, gathered in the convention hall where the accord was adopted, hailed the protocol as a historic first step in the battle against global warming and urged the world to further strengthen safeguards against greenhouse gases. Today is a day of celebration and also a day to renew our resolve ... to combat global warming, said Hiroshi Ohki, former Japanese environment minister and president of the conference that negotiated the protocol. [more] http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/science/02/16/kyoto.ap/ Kyoto accord takes effect Feb 16, 2005 Also: http://today.reuters.co.uk/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=reutersEdgestor yID=2005-02-16T160311Z_01_JON550128_RTRUKOC_0_ENVIRONMENT-KYOTO.xml Reuters.co.uk Kyoto treaty comes into force Wed Feb 16, 2005 http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/NewsStory.aspx?section=FOCUSoid=68639 ABS-CBNNEWS.COM Thursday, February 17, 2005 Kyoto Protocol comes into force after 7 yrs http://www.turkishpress.com/news.asp?ID=37432 Climate warnings, pressure on US as Kyoto takes effect PARIS, Feb 16 (AFP) And so on. I've been watching all this for 13 years now, well longer, but in 1992 I did a major publishing job at the final, ministerial-level UN climate-change conference that preceded the Rio Earth Summit. We produced an online (via GreenNet) conference newspaper for a world coalition of NGOs at the conference, held for two weeks in Nairobi prior to the Rio Earth Summit. The NGOs had observer status, and we put the paper online (courtesy of Apple) every evening, sending it worldwide for local re-distribution by NGOs in each country. By the following morning we'd received their feedback for inclusion in the next edition, which was in hardcopy on all the official delegates' tables when they arrived for the day. Very effective. Advanced for those days - the online version had graphics and layout etc, not just text. Lots of firsts in that operation. This conference was supposed to produce a firm and binding commitment by national governments to take action against global warming, and this commitment was intended to be the centrepiece of the forthcoming Rio Summit. Of course it produced no such thing, just lots of fine words, nothing binding, no commitment. Rather like Rio, in fact. So I didn't go to the Earth Summit. Refused to go, rather. I've regarded all such official events since then with some scepticism. Anyway, Midori and I went to the Kyoto Convention Hall last night, to the celebrations, as it was called. The city is about an hour and a half from here so we missed the first speeches, by Ohki and Joke Walker-Hunter, executive secretary of the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change, but we caught Kenya's Nobel Laureate Wangari Maathai's speech and the rest. All very upbeat, good reason to celebrate, a decisive victory for multilateralism and so on, with cautions expressed that it was just a first step, much more would be needed. A common theme was that the developed nations with their resources and technology would take the lead in combating the problem, with due assistance to resource-challenged 3rd World nations that would bear the brunt of the damage. I started getting impatient with this: take the lead? How about taking the responsibility? No, no - all very bland and polite, all false sacred cows duly to be honoured, no applecarts to be upset. We listened with growing astonishment as each of the distinguished panellists talked around the one main glaring fact of the matter without ever naming it - the absence of the United States. Several of them mentioned it - the world's biggest polluter, accounting for 25% of emissions - but not by name! Two major absentees, they said, the other one being China, also not named, and no mention of or reference to India and Australia. I began to see the outline of a lot of horse-trading behind these mostly-bland presentations, and started to wonder whether they'd open the discussions to the floor, or have an open
Re: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options
Hi Chris, Legal Eagle and Luc are one and the same, two peas in a pod, different sides of the same coin. So you weren't as far off as you thought you were, now were ya! AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sorry Legal Eagle, I directed my question to Luc instead of you. I am just getting to know you all. This is an amazing community, it is not as 'virtual' as I expected. Chris Kueny ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque
Ethanol vapor? Am I the only one looking for a hole in the ground around here? I'm taking the pup's down the hole with me John, just in case! Seriously, I am building BBQ's to earn some extra money this year. (Whatever extra money means???) I would like to offer you an alternative to your current plans. Before I do however, I have to say that IMHO this is not something I would ever consider doing myself. Why? Two reasons. First, I don't like cooking over, or with, any fuel but wood, or charcoal. That might not be the correct way to be, but it's me. I have tried other fuels, and frankly don't see the point in BBQing if I am going to cook with them. Secondly, any fuel that can operate a motor vehicle, does not need to be used to cook dinner. Having said that, I'll do my best to try to help. Have you considered indirect heating for your BBQ? The primary benefit, in your case, being the exhaust gases from the consumed fuel would be vented to the atmosphere, as opposed to your dinner! I'm afraid I do not know the extent of your plans, only what is in this posting, so I do not know if you plan on building your own cooker/pit, or just want to supply your own fuel. If you are building your own cooker, consider designing it with an offset/independent firebox that has it's own flue. Depending on your needs, these can be designed to supply any heat requirements up to, and including, grilling! Drawbacks? IMO, if you are building it yourself, #1 has got to be the metal working skill level required, as well as the specialized tools involved. But if you can weld, and if you can use a cutting torch reasonably well, a project like building a suitable cooker with an offset firebox can certainly be done. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque An ethanol BBQ ? You do know what you are doing right ? This is not a gas gas, it is a liquid gas, like gasoline, and in fact can be substituted for gasoline in many applications. (REPLY) Nope! I don't know what I am doing this is all experimentation. If I ever get a chance to try it. I plan to turn the gas alchol into a vapor gas by running it through a coil and heating it to form vapour the way a colman white gas stove works. If that works then I plan to mix it to give it extra BTUs. The compressor will have a regulator to make sure the pressure does not go beyond 15 lbs in the tank. All still in the mind! All still experimental. I would just like the chance to try it. I also plan to but check valves on the hose to prevent blow back. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Hello Gustl, I agree with this, This bit is absolutely false. The Founding Fathers were not religious men, However, I am sure that you know a hook when you see one. Reading through this article, one becomes aware that, while it meanders through more distant, and sometimes obscure historic details, it's focal point, and yours, are basically the same, the absolute necessity for the separation of church and state. Personally, I see another separation even higher on the nation's priority list at the present time, that of Bush and state. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:38:52 -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (knoton) wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] The Founding Fathers were not religious men, This bit is absolutely false. What our founding fathers were were religious men who knew the importance of not letting sectarian predilicition intefere with the rights they were espousing and the government they were establishing. They were giving the people the right to choose their religion or to choose to not have any religion, a purely private decision. Unfortunately the modern state has instituted radical and mindless patriotism as the state religion. A sad situation. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Bill in VA
Hello Caroline, Thanks for the post, but I have to admit to being completely in the dark as to what was actually done. Maybe you can help. Is there a section that you can point me to that summarizes what they actually voted against? Or was it simply a matter of voting against voting for now while they await further study? AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: grahams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 1:23 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biofuel Bill in VA http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?051+sum+HJ598 Thought some here might be interested. Caroline ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator
Looks like I owe you an apology Luc...This is pretty hard core truth about your own country. Guess I didn't think you had it in you. Obviously, I was wrong. My education continues. I have checked all the local news sources around here and as I'm sure you can guess, not a one of them has any mention of this. I'm sure they wouldn't have even been aware of it either, wouldn't that is had you, and, by extension, I not made them aware of it. Will I see any mention of it in any of our local papers? I doubt it. But if I do, I'll either post a link to it, or take a pic and post a link to that. Anyone can check it out that way, or not. To me, this kind of cause and effect is both exhilarating,and frustrating. But in the end, whether the information gets disseminated, or not, they knew about it. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator As soon as Corporate gets involved ... What with jailing people without a trial and keeping them for over two years in solitary to pushing for terminator crops you'd think Canada had indeed joined the coersion of the billing, only hypocritically so as not to appear like a bad guy. Busted ! Luc http://www.thecampaign.org/alert_terminator.php Date: February 7, 2005 ETC Group News Release 7 February 2005 www.etcgroup.org Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator Bombshell at UN Meeting: All-out push for commercialisation of Sterile Seed Technology A confidential document leaked today to ETC Group reveals that the Canadian government, at a United Nations meeting in Bangkok (Feb 7-11), will attempt to overturn an international moratorium on genetic seed sterilisation technology (known universally as Terminator). Even worse, the Canadian government has instructed its negotiators to block consensus on any other option. Canada is about to launch a devastating kick in the stomach to the world's most vulnerable farmers - the 1.4 billion people who depend on farm saved seed, said ETC Group Executive Director Pat Mooney speaking from Ottawa. The Canadian government is doing the dirty work for the multinational gene giants and the US government. Even Monsanto wasn't prepared to be this upfront and nasty. Canada is betraying Farmers' Rights and food sovereignty everywhere. Terminator technology was first developed by the US government and the seed industry to prevent farmers from re-planting saved seed and is considered the most controversial and immoral agricultural application of genetic engineering so far. When first made public in 1998, suicide seeds triggered an avalanche of public opposition, forcing Monsanto to abandon the technology and prompting the UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) to impose a de facto moratorium on its further development. According to the leaked instructions to Canadian negotiators at SBSTTA 10 (a scientific advisory body to the CBD), Canada will insist on Wednesday (9 Feb.) that governments accept the field testing and commercialization of Terminator varieties (referred to as GURTS -- Genetic Use Restriction Technologies). Canada will also attack an official UN report, prepared by an international expert group, which is critical of the potential impacts of Terminator seeds on small farmers and Indigenous Peoples. In stark contrast to Canada's position, the expert report recommends that governments seek prohibitions on the technology. In Bangkok, civil society and Indigenous Peoples are calling on the Canadian government to abandon its endorsement of Terminator and to join with other governments to prohibit the technology once and for all. Many African and Asian governments have called for Terminator to be banned and the European Union has also been supportive of the existing moratorium. It is outrageous that Canada is backing an anti-farmer technology and shameful that it will 'block consensus' on any other outcome. Governments from around the world must not accept this bullying tactic, says ETC Group's Hope Shand from the negotiations in Bangkok. If Canada blocks decision-making on this issue, the moratorium will be in jeopardy and terminator seeds will be commercialized ending up in the fields of small farmers. The full leaked text of the Canadian government's instructions to its negotiators on Terminator/GURTS follows. Hope Shand and Jim Thomas of ETC Group can be contacted at SBSTTA negotiations in Bangkok on cell phone +44 (0) 7752 106806 or by email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Mooney (in Ottawa) +1 (613) 241-2267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kathy Jo Wetter (USA) +1 (919) 960-5223 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Head of the Canadian Delegation in Bangkok is Robert McLean, Environment Canada email [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +1 (819) 997-1303 *** Advice on the report of the Ad Hoc Technical
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
I have been making my own soap for about 14 years now. The only real secret that I have found in regards to fantastic foaming action of your soaps is the inclusion of coconut oil (c.o.) in your recipe. I am aware that a few of the more popular websites, and even books written on the subject, warn against using too high a percentage of c.o. because of its drying effects on the skin. However, I keep the percentage of c.o. in my soap between 20% and 40%, and haven't had any problems with excessively dry skin. Common sense must also come in to play of course. If you start with dry skin, you would definitely want to stay on lower end of those percentages with c.o., and increase the hydrating oils like olive, and settle for less foaming soap. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Dear Legal Eagle, There is an industrial and commercial method of using refined glycerin for the manufacturing of natural soaps and detergents (and the harsher soaps too). As JFT advocates, there is a personal quest too - making your own stuff. In the industrial and commercial world there is a worldwide glut of glcyerin! compared to a couple years ago. I've been following this recently. But on the personal level, me thinks the idea of making homegrown soaps is pretty neat. It can be Family get together like making ice cream! Take care and good luck! --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What to do with the copious amounts of glycerine by product ? We can follow through with the seperation of the components an get a close to pure glycerine, providing we have a market for it, or we can use it to make soap. JtF has a few good articles on that too. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html I am in the process of experiementing with a couple recipes that, I hope, will give a fairly decent usable product. I have used some as a body soap and it works great, however very little foamong action and that is a problem in most circles, so I am trying three diffenrent approaches. 1) 100ml water with 10gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 2) 150ml water with 15gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 30 200ml water with 20gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product Firstly the methanol must be removed/recovered by raising the temps above 65C (148.5F) and then the NaOH disolved into a little more than warm water. Once the glycerine has cooled a bit, to about 43C (110F) then mix in the water/NaOH while stirring for about a minute or two. Pour into a mold and let settle. How long will be subject of another post when I have it figured out :-) The first one has had two weeks to settle out anything that was going to do that and it did. Some gelatenous substance caked a portion of the hardened glycerine and had to be scrapped off, but the result was still solid bars. The second and third recipes are yet to be finished however they already show more potential, primarily the third which began solidifying almost immediately and shows good promise. I shall keep you posted as to the success/failure of this as we go along. No sense throwing away a perfectly good product if it can be used eh? I am determined that it will. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Doug, Regarding the post in question. I understood what you were doing then, and I'll say again that I appreciate the way you chose to handle it. Had it not been my father as the one who sent the info to me, it would have been completely a non-issue for me. However, when you combine that fact, and my neglecting to check out dad's email (g), it did lead to some embarrassment on my part. But, it's the mistakes you remember that you don't repeat, right? So, let's be done with this. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 4:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Keith; It would seem I interpreted the guidelines too strictly. Mike; I think it's fairly obvious that I don't shy from posting my opinion. I hesitated on that one post because of my feeling, be it online or in the real world, it's in poor taste to point out a non-technical error in public. Even then I'm likely to put it as a question. Back to the other stuff in the biofuel folder... Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads
Stephan, No such thing as butting in around here. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:10 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] re: Bill Clark and Acusorb Beads forgive me for buttiing in, I hope it is not against the ettiquette. It's just that I'm so appalled at the gullability of our fellow Americans. The oilguys are on top (Bush, Cheney etc) and the oil price has doubled DUH . One look at the stockmarket and who is in the green? the oil companies with soaring profits. (not to speak of loss of life and lying about well what haven't they lied about? And now its Social Security, I wonder who is going to be the winner in that scenario ..the taxpayers, us?? Paleeese. Sorry guys, I had to get this off my chest! snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump
Hello Jeremy, I am only asking this out of curiosity, but what was your reason for plumbing your system with 1 as opposed to 3/4 pipe? Is there some benefit to this set-up? Or was it a case of, I had 1 pipe, so that's what I used? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 10:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 1 clear water pump I have a 1 clear water pump hooked up to an eighty gal hot water heater. I used all 1 plumbing for my manifold with 1 full port valves. The tank opening is still 3/4 but there should be ample pressure pushing the oil through the opening. How long should I have to run the processor to get full reaction? Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] just grateful
Just a note to reiterate how important this exchange of information, and viewpoints, is for me. When I found Journey, it was a real education for me, covering several areas I had no prior knowledge of whatsoever. I'm light years from being an expert in any of these areas today, but the discoveries I continue to make here help me to strengthen a couple of old allies I thought might be gone for ever, my love of learning, and the construction/welding skills I spent years honing. I have yet to build a biodiesel reactor, or get started on biodiesel production, but that will come in time. For me, I'm having way too much fun building my second waste oil heater, and getting ready to start building BBQ pits for the upcoming Spring and Summer season. This list, more importantly, the people who take the time to post on this list, whether they have agreeing or dissenting views, American or Canadian (LOL Luc), what you are all doing is important. It definitely matters, and I think it will be through these types of exchanges, over time, that we will finally be able to get over our nationalities one day. Who knows, maybe then our descendents will get to experience something truly remarkable, a life where they can simply be called humans. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Thank you Luc AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate G'day Mike; URL to the story your dad sent you http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) - we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us! Then sit backand watch how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. J.E.Krafka AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Hello Doug, Yes, I have learned an embarrassing lesson from this. Not so much from my lack of having seen this particular forward before, IMHO that's as much a matter of chance as it is anything else. No the real shortcoming here is that I forwarded something I knew nothing about. I didn't check it out first, and I know better than to do that. Thank you though Doug, and you're right, the body of that post is apparently crapola. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Mike; the text below is new to me however, everything between it and the J.E.Krafka signature regularly makes a round in email forwards, Sorry to say. Visit http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Doug - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate : I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to : verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an : honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of : the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father : wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. : The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged : leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost : all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The : hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected : officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, : and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, : war, etc., etc.??? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
Thanks again Doug, it was not hard to tell your intent, and it was much appreciated. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Mike; glad to hear you read my response mostly in the light I sent it in, to inform not embarrass. I really hesitated about clicking on send. This is way I don't care for the prohibition of emailing other list members off-list, there are times it is warranted. Doug ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
Hello Kirk, Now this is what I call useful information. But I am curious, what do you mean by solid state ? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box If they are using solid state cameras for a digital image the silicon sensors have peak sensitivity in the far red. You can illuminate the license plate with IR and the camera attempting to image the plate plate will over expose, no picture of the plate, washed out. To human eye there is almost no difference. Kirk snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
Hi Luc, Yes, I can see how they might have an issue with that. Isn't it funny how skipping out on paying for services really seems to get peoples attention? I know when I was still in Texas up until 1999, in the Houston area, they were installing those wonderful (dripping with sarcasm) little cameras on every traffic light they could find. A little freaky if you ask me. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box G'day Mike et all; Illuminated plates, he he. I belive they have a real problem with that in Toronto Canada where they have an electronic toll road that takes pictures of the liscence plate and send you a bill by the post for the costs, so some folks have taken to putting those neon type illuminated liscence plate holders on their cars, and it is apparently wreaking havoc with the eye of the spy. Job creation would have been more efficient. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Hello Kirk, Now this is what I call useful information. But I am curious, what do you mean by solid state ? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box If they are using solid state cameras for a digital image the silicon sensors have peak sensitivity in the far red. You can illuminate the license plate with IR and the camera attempting to image the plate plate will over expose, no picture of the plate, washed out. To human eye there is almost no difference. Kirk snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. To bad we don't live closer to one another as I have assembled quite a selection of extremely tenderly used electric water heaters. I currently have 2 that were installed, tested, and promptly removed due to leaking regulator valves. Now I'm no plumber, but wouldn't it make more sense to replace the water heater for that particular job, certainly, but back at the shop, trash the bad regulator and install a good one, rather than trash the whole water heater because of a leaking regulator? Anyway, I imagine the cost of shipping would negate any cost benefits my tanks might have offered in the first place. Perhaps a few suggestions. Instead of plumbers, try small hardware stores that offer installation services. That's were I am having my best luck. Another tip from a pro is to gather your intel first! Before you go into these places to ask, drive around behind their place of business, or beside them. Look for what it is you are after, water heaters. 99% of the time they will leave used water heaters, and old washers and dryers, sitting outside in relatively easy places for their damn, we had to pay these guys junk men, to come and pick them up, usually once or twice a month, depending on the stores activity level. These places have to pay somewhere around $20 to $30 each to dispose of these units, though that fact will rarely stop them from trying to earn a buck or two if you let them. That part is completely up to you. As for me, I am taking so many water heaters now that one hardware store owner approached me Wednesday of last week (2-2-05) asking if I would sign an agreement! LOL Uhm, thanks, but no thanks. I did my best not to laugh, though I'm not sure how successful I was. My point is good used tanks are out there, and I would hate like hell for anyone to have to pay for something that is already headed for either the dump, or the scrapyard. Oh ya, and if you have never torn apart a water heater, you don't know what real stress relief is !!! It's great fun! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
Hello Kirk, Although this is the first time I have ever seen this actually written, I do not think canola or soy are fit for human consumption I could not possibly agree more, and also for health reasons. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL I do not think canola or soy are fit for human consumption. Canola is a variant of rape seed, a member of the mustard family. Humans should use olive oil and it should not be used for cooking. For cooking natural saturated fats such as tallow (beef fat)should be used. I have been researching this for some time due to health reasons. BTW the whole cholesterol scam is demonstrably wrong and if you are taking statin drugs you need to go to lef.org and read about them. Kirk snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) - we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us! Then sit backand watch how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. J.E.Krafka AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home madebio-diesel
You bet it's available Fred! What part of MN are you in? I'm in south central, very near Easton. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Fred Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:39 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home madebio-diesel Say Mike, If you have an extra water heater, I am in Minnesota and might be able to easily get it if there was one available!! fred On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 10:34:17 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. To bad we don't live closer to one another as I have assembled quite a selection of extremely tenderly used electric water heaters. I currently have 2 that were installed, tested, and promptly removed due to leaking regulator valves. Now I'm no plumber, but wouldn't it make more sense to replace the water heater for that particular job, certainly, but back at the shop, trash the bad regulator and install a good one, rather than trash the whole water heater because of a leaking regulator? Anyway, I imagine the cost of shipping would negate any cost benefits my tanks might have offered in the first place. Perhaps a few suggestions. Instead of plumbers, try small hardware stores that offer installation services. That's were I am having my best luck. Another tip from a pro is to gather your intel first! Before you go into these places to ask, drive around behind their place of business, or beside them. Look for what it is you are after, water heaters. 99% of the time they will leave used water heaters, and old washers and dryers, sitting outside in relatively easy places for their damn, we had to pay these guys junk men, to come and pick them up, usually once or twice a month, depending on the stores activity level. These places have to pay somewhere around $20 to $30 each to dispose of these units, though that fact will rarely stop them from trying to earn a buck or two if you let them. That part is completely up to you. As for me, I am taking so many water heaters now that one hardware store owner approached me Wednesday of last week (2-2-05) asking if I would sign an agreement! LOL Uhm, thanks, but no thanks. I did my best not to laugh, though I'm not sure how successful I was. My point is good used tanks are out there, and I would hate like hell for anyone to have to pay for something that is already headed for either the dump, or the scrapyard. Oh ya, and if you have never torn apart a water heater, you don't know what real stress relief is !!! It's great fun! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Am I dreaming or what?
Perhaps this should be filed in the You must be dreaming file, however, I was wondering if it isn't time someone developed a scale, so to speak, on which a particular society's governmental need could be assessed. For example, developing country's, without infrastructure, or with minimal infrastructure and with epidemic level public health issues would obviously need governments strong in public works projects, public health task forces combined with long term project teams, focusing on both prevention and hospital/clinic building. Countries entangled in civil war would seem, to me anyway, to be better recipients of the American big stick military, than simply countries who happen to be parked over H2S laden black gold. I am getting a bit off-track here, and yes I, really was going somewhere with all this. For the countries with so many programs, policies, p.a.c.'s, governMENTAL agencies, politicians, departments, houses, members of senate, parties, and our all time favorite, corporations, we could never, in a million years, hope to remember even half of them, could our fantasy scale be applied to actually see what is needed in the way of a government? I have had some fun with this, but my actual question, or idea if you like, is real. I am not sure there is an answer, but that's half the fun of asking. In case, as is sometimes the case with my writing, I have lost anyone, here's my question. First, do you think it is possible to develop a scale (sliding, graduated, etc.) that could be used to identify a countries (ultimately, it would be need to be able to be used for any and/or all countries) governmental needs? By governmental needs, I mean the actual size, right down to the number of department heads, employees in each department, yearly budget, operating costs, etc. This would all be estimated of course, with a close margin of error given, but that would also be something that we would have to understand before we could ethically use it. This is purely hypothetical, as I am not aware of any governments that are going to jump at the oppurtunity to be downsized to more appropriate dimensions, which brings up my final question. If a working scale could be created, do you think anyone would find it useful, or merely more depressing? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Swiss government: was Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth
Thanks for this post. I found it very enlightening. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 6:29 PM Subject: Swiss government: was Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth With apologies for nitpicking, herewith some extracts from Political Switzerland, a small book by Oswald Sigg (Zurich: Pro Helvetia, 1997): The Swiss Government is called the Federal Council. It consists of seven members and is headed for a period of one year by a president elected from among the Federal Council members. Ever since 1944, the [party] composition of the government has remained the same... The Federal Council is elected by Parliament every four years (both chambers meet in the National Council Hall)... The meetings of the Federal Council are chaired by the President of the Confederation who is elected for one year only from among the Federal Councillors. He is thus something in the nature of a prime Minister ad interim whose office consists first and foremost of chairing the meetings of the Federal Council and performing certain representative duties. During his year as president he also continues to be head of his own department. Switzerland has no actual head of state. When a foreign head of state, or even a queen, visits Berne [the capital of Switzerland], they are usually received by all seven members of the Federal Council. Each member of the Federal Council is the head of a department, or of what would be known abroad as a ministry. There are just seven such departments in Switzerland, so that each head of department is responsible for several sub-divisions which usually correspond to several ministries abroad. The Swiss Parliament, the Federal Assembly, is made up of two chambers: the National Council, with 200 members, and the Council of States, with 46 members [2 per canton = U.S. state or Canadian province]. The Assembly is elected by proportional representation. In 1995 it contained four relatively large parties and 8 small ones. Since the party composition of the government hasn't changed since 1944 and elections are likely to affect only personalities and particular measures, the turnout for elections to the Assembly tends to be low; 42.2% in 1995. By petition of 50,000 citizens within 90 days of the passage of a law, it may be required to be ratified by a referendum. In the cantons, proposals for laws may be put forward by a petition to be submitted to a referendum. The Federal Constitution is also subject to change through an initiative by petition of 100,000 citizens, followed by a referendum. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Fri, 4 Feb 2005, Michael Redler wrote: ...for what it's worth, My grandmother's house is only 400+ years old. Freudian slip? :-) Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while
Re: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Hello Oneil, It sounds like you may have already visited some of these sites. On the outside chance that you haven't, and for the benefit of others interested in some background on biodiesel production from algae, hopefully this site will help you. Even better, scroll all the way to the bottom of the page for more links, some on the topic, some related. Widescale Biodiesel Production from Algae Michael Briggs, University of New Hampshire, Physics Department (revised August 2004) http://www.unh.edu/p2/biodiesel/article_alge.html AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: O'Neil Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New method for the production of home made bio-diesel Hello, I would like to try making bio-diesel. I've been reading as much material as I can find on the topic, but have not been able to find some key bits of information. I was hoping people on this list might know some of the answers or be able to point me to other resources. Right now I am interested in a very specific development path. Biodiesel can be made today in a variety of ways with published recipes, unfortunately they do not include the materials I plan to use. Algae are the planned source of hydrocarbons. I choose algae for a couple of reasons. In some of the material I have read, algae were identified as a much richer source of hydrocarbons than traditional seed stock (i.e. oil created per acre by algae vs. a seed stock). Algae can be used to treat sewage, so a large scale implementation could serve multiple purposes. Algae can be grown in fresh or salt water. Algae can be grown successfully in environments that are unsuitable for other plant life (i.e. hot desert adjacent to the ocean). Another very important reason for me to start with algae is the fact that I can grow it! I have several fish tanks and normally algae are something I limit through the use of snails, clams and zebra mussels. I do not know how much algae can be grown in a 55 gallon tank, but, I have the tank and can use it to start experimenting. The oil needs to be extracted from the algae. I am thinking I will need a press and follow a process that is similar to that used with seeds. I do not know what press to use, or how I will separate the algae from tank water and prepare it for pressing. One of the objectives for creating this method is to find a way to produce the biodiesel without purchasing any the source materials. Algae can be grown. Then I need lye. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_ashlye.html I was very happy when I found this. Hard wood ash, I have trees, I can make ash. A quote from the biodiesel page on journeytoforever: One more complication -- check the purity of your KOH, it's generally not as pure as NaOH. Anhydrous grade KOH flake is usually about 92%, sometimes less -- check the label. We use half-pearls assayed at 85%. Adjust the basic quantity accordingly: the basic 4.9 grams would be 5.8 (5.775) grams for 85% KOH, or 5.3 (5.33) grams for 92% KOH. How would I measure the purity of the lye that is created from wood ash and then adjust the formula? Thank you for the assistance, O'Neil. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Luc, I would like to clarify a couple of things for you, as it appears to me that perhaps you do not know all that you think you do. First, I do not personally know of one single person who actually watched president dumb-a** on his ridiculous inauguration day. I am sure there were plenty, but my point is that there are a great many people in this country, in my opinion, who do not subscribe to his brand of insanity and are working night and day to limit his damage. I am a simple man and do not claim to know the inner workings of world politics, or even top level American politics. But I know this, if you dismiss all of America because of the policies of an obviously lacking President, then you do so at your own peril. This country should not be judged to be the sum total of her leadership. That simply isn't the case. America is about her people. Say what you will about us, the fact is that I personally know at least 6 soldiers who are either in Iraq right now, or have rotated back, and I can tell you first hand not one of them wants to be there. Do we still sound like war mongers to you? I could pass on stories they have relayed to me, about things that have happened over there, that would give you a different perspective, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Personally, I am of the opinion that you are just anti-American, and that is unfortunate, but also quite popular today. The only other point I wanted to make was that if we do get into a war with China and/or Russia, God forbid, I think it would be in the worlds best interest to appeal to all parties involved, and do whatever is required to prevent any conflict from starting. Who knows what would be left for collateral, or to be damaged for that matter. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day I can still see that image in my mind's eye and it always troubles me deeply. When the words colateral damage is applied to Americans at home after they get into a war with Russia and/or China over global control of natural resources I wonder just who is going to be feeling anything for them ... anything at all. Won't be the warmongers that are slaughtering the innocent that much is certain. They will reap what they have sown and there will be none to deliver. What was once a brave group of men and women are now reduced to nothing short of barbaric pirates. All for the glory of God no doubt... NOT ! Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day See also: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-24.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org Why the Children in Iraq Make No Sound When They Fall by Bernard Chazelle - http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-35.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by the National Catholic Reporter What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day by Joan Chittister Dublin, on U.S. Inauguration Day, didn't seem to notice. Oh, they played a few clips that night of the American president saying, The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. But that was not their lead story. The picture on the front page of The Irish Times was a large four-color picture of a small Iraqi girl. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_s hooting_in_tal_afar/html/3.stm Her little body was a coil of steel. She sat knees up, cowering, screaming madly into the dark night. Her white clothes and spread hands and small tight face were blood-spattered. The blood was the blood of her father and mother, shot through the car window in Tal Afar by American soldiers while she sat beside her parents in the car, her four brothers and sisters in the back seat. A series of pictures of the incident played on the inside page, as well. A 12-year-old brother, wounded in the fray, falls face down out of the car when the car door opens, the pictures show. In another, a soldier decked out in battle gear, holds a large automatic weapon on the four children, all potential enemies, all possible suicide bombers, apparently, as they cling traumatized to one another in the back seat and the child on the ground goes on screaming in her parent's blood.
[Biofuel] waste oil heater update
Hello fellow list members, About a month ago now, I undertook to build my second waste oil heater. Though it is still not finished, it will be within a matter of days, so I thought an update was in order. I initially undertook this project as a favor for a friend. But for reasons known only to him, he decided about a week into the project, that he didn't need a heater, but thanks anyway he says. So...since I had already scrounged, gathered, acquired, and purchased the necessary parts, I might as well get on with it myself. That's the short history of how my second waste oil heater, or what I call my waste oil heater version 2 (WOHv2), came into being. The plans I was going to use for building my friends heater were the Journey to forever (JTF) waste oil heater (w.o.h.) plans. www.journeytoforever.org These are the same ones I used for my first heater build, and it is working fine so it made no sense to me to change a thing. I have studied these plans who knows how many times. I have read every word, followed every link until it all made sense. But for some reason, after that change of plans, I needed to change the build somehow. I knew that the basic design put forward by JTF, for their w.o.h. was solid. There were, and still are, modifications being considered. But modifications are just evolution for machines. So, I put the tank we had sequestered away and went for the 40 gallon water heater tank. If I'm going to build another heater on my own, it's going to be one that will keep me warm, and cook me something to eat while I'm tooling around my one car garage/shop! So that's my WOHv2, made from a used 40 gal. water heater tank with the burner assembly inside the tank at the bottom, just like the JTF waste oil heater. But inside the tank, from just above center to just below the top crown I am going to fab in a small stainless oven. There will be lots of pics, and plenty of write-up on all this, plus, if I am allowed to do so, I'm not sure how these things work but I would be happy to give the plans for this heater (WOHv2) to Journey To Forever. The instructions for it's construction, plus pictures. I should add here as I stated earlier that the heater is not completed yet, but the only major part left to fabricate is the upper oven, and I will begin welding that up tomorrow. Take care. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] waste oil heater update
There will be some temperature control via needle valve installed in the fuel line, approx. 30 before fuel line enters air intake pipe. However, I still may need to consider some heat shunting if high temps become an issue. My intent is for this oven to be a slow cooking/low temp. (220 deg. F to 240 deg. F, ideally) style arrangement, and to those ends, if the expectation is for temperatures inside the heater to reach 550F, or higher, then I had better reconsider my oven addition, at least as it is currently. I think even insulating the oven, providing I used the appropriate form of insulating material (use perlite to fill in the airspaces ((voids)) created by welding sheet metal panels, 1 off the exterior portions of the oven, on all sides, except it's front?), could possibly protect it, though I know of no way to check this other than to build on!!! Anyone have any advice, info, or criticisms, I will take all the help I can get. Thank you. 2 dozen rolls Todd? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] waste oil heater update Shoot! Who needs pics. I just want one of the first couple of dozen muffins that come out of that stove. Oven temp controlled at the burner or extra heat shunted away from the oven? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City
I am sorry for any confusion I may have caused you Andrew. To answer your question directly, no, I absolutely do not. But, I also do not consider myself even informed on that topic. I'm not even sure that it is even a topic. As far as my comments go, in relation to this topic, they were all said jokingly. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Andrew Cunningham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:35 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City I thinking you are joking, but I can't tell for sure. You don't really think that it is feasible to export power from the moon to earth, do you? Andy On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 12:13:15 -0600, Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll take some of that surplus, strictly for medicinal purposes of course... AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City Collect power at Moonshine and use it locally; the Moonshiners (aka Lunatics) will sell the surplus to Earthlings. POC I have no idea what you are talking about? Are you looking to collect power on the moon and use it on earth or collect power on the moon for use one the moon? Andy On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:20:04 -0800 (PST), Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think solar power at Moonshine City could be economically beamed to Earth? POC On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Martin K wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for Moonshine City, post-2015? POC What is Moonshine City, and why are wind and water power out? The base/colony President Bush wants built on the Moon post-2015. Z Nucular, of course... Actually solar would be the best on the moon. -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing
Re: [Biofuel] Sprawl Busters
Awesome links! Just what I've been trying to findthanks Keith. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 6:32 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Sprawl Busters snip http://www.sprawl-busters.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sprawl-busters.com/caseagainstsprawl.html http://www.ilsr.org/ http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/ http://www.carbohydrateeconomy.org/Search2/search.cfm snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City
I'll take some of that surplus, strictly for medicinal purposes of course... AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 11:04 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Power for Moonshine City Collect power at Moonshine and use it locally; the Moonshiners (aka Lunatics) will sell the surplus to Earthlings. POC I have no idea what you are talking about? Are you looking to collect power on the moon and use it on earth or collect power on the moon for use one the moon? Andy On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 16:20:04 -0800 (PST), Party of Citizens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you think solar power at Moonshine City could be economically beamed to Earth? POC On Sun, 23 Jan 2005, Martin K wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Party of Citizens wrote: Since wind and water power are out, what would this list recommend for Moonshine City, post-2015? POC What is Moonshine City, and why are wind and water power out? The base/colony President Bush wants built on the Moon post-2015. Z Nucular, of course... Actually solar would be the best on the moon. -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] BioWillie
Interesting article Joanne, thanks for posting. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Joanne Olafson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 1:11 AM Subject: [Biofuel] BioWillie http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6826994/ This was news to me - Willie Nelson selling biodiesel to truck stops. I heard about it this evening (Friday) on CBC Radio 1 on As It Happens (www.cbc.ca/aih) - one of my favourite programs. I looked on the website but couldn't find a link. A google search (Willie Nelson + biodiesel) came up with lots of links including the above. It was also mentioned that Neil Young has been involved in the promotion of biodiesel. Joanne Olafson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] question regarding gas fired water heaters?
Can anyone tell me 1) what the lining inside a natural gas fired water heater tank is made of, and 2) are there any known ways of removing it without damaging the tank beneath? I am in the very early stages of helping a neighbor build a waste oil heater. He has a surplus of these tanks, but very little in the way of money. Since I have already built one, and it is still working just fine I agreed to help him build his. All these plans are on temporary hold though because neither of us genius's knew that these tanks were lined. Oh well, plenty of time for more planning and perhaps one more beer. Any info or guidance will be greatly appreciated. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset
Hello Nancy, Would you happen to have a link for these cars? Even the name of the which railroad would be great. I have no use for one, but my father will go absolutely nuts if I can locate a couple for him. Thanks! AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2005 7:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Tripple Purpose Genset You can purchase from the railroad old insulated refrigerated box cars for same purpose. They cost about $5000. weigh a ton, have to be moved with bulldozer, D6 or D7 cat works. All metal, which is nice because you can weld directly to it, interior is lined in wood. I've converted one to workshop space, but easily could be living. You just need a cutting torch to add plumbing or wiring. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Seeds
Hello John, I'm not sure how southern you are in Ontario, but I live in southern Minnesota, and had the same results from my garden that you mentioned. For us, it was a combination of the first half, to two-thirds of the growing season being too cool, with the latter half to one-third being almost a complete wash-out. Our temps did finally normalize, but by the time they did even our muskrats were looking for higher ground! Really pushed our farmers back as well, good thing winter came late. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 6:36 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Seeds Sorry, I don't have any recommendations for you. But I did want to mention that I use normal store bought pre-sprouted plants every year. This year I had horrible time with my veggies. Tomatoes especially took it hard this year. Looked diseased. Sweet green and hot peppers did fine. String beans did OK. Even onions faired poorly. I can't figure out what actually happend. I live in Southern Ontario. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: January 3, 2005 1:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Seeds Hello everyone! My sweetheart and I have been planning our garden for this year. Last year's vegetables were, by far, the most successful we have ever managed; a fact particularly heartening when the poor condition of our soil is considered. (We're still eating fresh carrots, which we have left in the ground. Even in January, they are sweet and firm!) We'd used old seed. Our corn was especially pathetic. Tomatoes (the texture of which I liken to biting a human lip) stayed green until the rain arrived in October, then simply rotted. (This was a shame because my eldest son is particularly fond of them.) Squash, peas, purple beans, beets, potatoes, pumpkins, radishes and carrots did exceedingly well. Our broccoli was very late, but especially delicious. Cabbage did well for the first part of the summer, then the weather turned REALLY hot and the heads tended to split. Aside from the pumpkins, (which were fine grained and sweet) fruit didn't fare very well. Melons and cantaloupe never really developed. Our fruit trees are weak, but I'm working on that. . . We want to use fresh seed this year. Do any of you have any recommendations for cool, west coast climate vegetables? We would prefer a seed distributor located in western Canada or the United States. Thanks in advance! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Compost with sawdust and LOF.
Hello Peter, I will be following your efforts closely, as I'm sure others will. I have contracted with a small town here in Minnesota to build, and install, some rotating barrel composters (5) in their city garden/compost area in late March of this year. In this area, we have no shortage of materials for composting, but I am always interested in learning of new processes as they relate to composting. Having never composted wood or sawdust myself, I'm afraid I am lacking in actual hands on experience with these particular materials. However, I do have experience composting, and will help you with as much as I can. You will need to incorporate some sort of media/fibrous material to fight compaction. Since I understand your area to be concrete infested, some ideas that come to mind are; newspaper shreds (black and white newsprint: hand shredded not too small, then loosely crumpled), perhaps non-colored cardboard (again hand torn approx. 2 x 6 lengths and then loosely crumpled), if you can get some hay, or straw, either would be okay. It's clear, from reading your post, that you understand what's required. Now it's simply a matter of time and effort. Anyway, I'm looking forward to reading about your efforts, and good luck in your endeavors. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: Guag Meister [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Compost with sawdust and LOF. Hi Kim ; LOF is Liquid Organic Fertilizer or what Keith calls Household Compost Activator, in other words, urine. Yes I guess I could put in some grass or leaves, which is what most recipies call for. But two problems with that. One is I live in a concrete village. There is no grass or trees anywhere. That is no exageration. I don't have a front yard or back yard. Just concrete everywhere. Nobody around here ever has grass to cut, so I can't just pick up someone elses cuttings either. In order to get some grass I would need to get in my truck, drive a kilometers, stop on some else'e property and start cutting away. Lot's of free sawdust fines though. Secondly, for my project in the near future, I will have LOT's of wood after the hammer mill but not so much greens. This is more a learning excersize. So I'm just investigating the possiblities of no grass, ONLY sawdust and LOF. The wood is carbon, and the LOF is the nitrogen, and it should be possible if I can keep it aerated. Is it? What ratio? Truthfully, there are also a few small table scraps, but very little. I live with my daughter and there is normally only a watermelon or orange peel per day. Let's ignore that for the time being. If this doesn't work, I will go grass cutting, but please humor me first. It should be possible with just sawdust and LOF. Is it? What ratio? How much time? Is strong ammonia smell normal? Is very little heat normal (I think not)? Once I get a formula and procedure that looks correct, I will do a 55 gallon drum. Already got the drum. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand --- Kim Garth Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While I am not sure what LOF is, I have used the very fine sawdust that I get from my table saw in my compost. Mine is used in our toilet buckets first, but it must be mixed with something that has a little more fiber or it compacts. Compaction in a compost pile means no oxygen, which is a problem. Mix some grass, well mulched into the mix and it should work better. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:06 AM 1/2/2005, you wrote: Hi Keith ; Since I plan on making lots of compost from wood, I thought I would start experimenting with the abundant and free sawdust from next door. I read the pages on JtF, but none comes close to my situation. The sawdust is REALLY fine, like blowing sand. I will use a fly screen to keep it from coming out the container holes. It should compost quickly because particle size is so small, if I can keep it aerated. Could you recommend a mix ratio and procedure only using sawdust and LOF to start? I am using a 10 gal pail, turn it every day, and I get a strong smell of ammonia after a few days. Not too much heat at all, only a little. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Do you Yahoo!? Send a seasonal email greeting and help others. Do good. http://celebrity.mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
Thanks Luc ! * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots G'da Mike; - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots Hi Keith, Philip, and other list members, I am going to take this further. Perhaps I will look at America, and Canada, for starters. I am mostly interested in things like hand tools, clothing (kids school clothes, men's and women's active wear, work clothes, undergarments, etc.) lawn and garden items, etc. Already reads like a Wal-mart isle, doesn't it? You can start here: Canada Goose : http://www.metrosportswear.com/ Woods Canada: http://www.woodscanada.com/products/outerwear/9124.htm Luc I want to see my family's need's sourced as close to home as possible because that makes the most sense. It makes sense financially. It makes sense environmentally. It makes sense strategically. It makes sense tactically. Would I cross a national border to purchase an item simply because it can be had for less money over there? For lower price alone, absolutely not. For better quality. For a better value. These last two I would consider, yes. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Re: Mark Twain quote.
Hello Brian, I am glad you asked for this reference, because after digging deeper, I am not at all sure who is the rightful owner of the quote in question. The closest quote, word for word, would indeed have to go to Tom Clancy, IMO, according to: AmusingQuotes.com http://tm.ask.co.uk/r?t=cs=aid=30787sv=z6f065bacuid=0B348DC618F9E5D14sid=1566EDC618F9E5D14p=%2ftopo=38199684u=http://www.amusingquotes.com/h/c/Tom_Clancy_1.htm However, having read Tim Ferguson's post, and following his link: http://home.att.net/~quotesexchange/marktwain.html (posted again here only for convenience, thx Tim.) I have no doubts as to which author actually birthed the concept that led to the quote. But for me, one thing is clear enough. The quotation, as it was written in my signature, should be attributed to Tom Clancy. All of this is in my opinion, of course, and always open for debate. Just for those who may be curious, I have removed the quotation in question because I am not nearly as comfortable quoting Mr. Clancy, as I am Mr. Twain. Luckily, Mark Twain was not exactly shy when it came to sharing his opinions, so it won't be long before I will have something else I'm sure. To follow up on Link TV, I have e-mailed explaining my dilemma. I have asked them the same question I was asked by Brian, that being if they could please provide me with a reference for their quotation of Mark Twain. I had no luck searching their site, but I also must add this, that I am still very much in the learning stages of searching. I am by no means what I would call a skilled searcher, so I do what I can. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns.
Re: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil
Hello again Rich, Having just RE-read your actual question, (it would have helped had I actually done this in the first place!) it is painfully obvious that my previous link is going to be of no use to you. Good thing we have knowledgeable folks around here who do silly little thing's like READ THE QUESTIONS the first time, unlike myself, huh? Anyway, sorry for any confusion I may have caused. I have some egg to remove from my face now. LOL AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 5:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Making motor oil out of canola oil I would like to know of a way to make motor oil out of canola oil. Let's not talk about the unmentionables. ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hello Brian, Please forgive my delay in responding to your request. For reason unknown too me my server delivers some emails with what I consider to be regular speed, while others arrive in their own good time. Yours happened to be one of the latter this time, which is the reason for the delay. Regarding your request, I will certainly do as you ask. I originally transcribed that particular quote onto a notepad while watching a show entitled world music on Link TV. It was quoted by their VJ, or DJ, which ever you prefer. Anyway, she gave a brief story regarding how this quote came to life, and if memory serves, also mentioned it's inclusion in a newspaper article. So my hope is this will make a search much simpler. Again, my apologies for the delay. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? Mike, Out of curiosity, do you have a reference for the Mark Twain quote that you use in your signature? The current Reader's Digest attributes it to Tom Clancy, and I thought that they needed to be corrected. Brian Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] Many thanks
Thanks to all those with responses to my post regarding China. I am certain I will have further questions regarding this topic, but for now I have plenty of reading to do. * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will
Dear Sir, I am appalled. I completely missed your original post. Please accept my sincere condolences during this time of great loss for your family. There is not much comfort one can offer via an email, but please know that all the comfort and healing feelings that can be sent your way, are being sent your way. May you, and your family, know peace returning, strength building, and wisdom deepening as you move forward into this new year. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] People of Good Will Philip and all, thank you for your kind thoughts. It was cathartic for me simply to share my feelings. To be clear, it is not my wife who passed away last month, but her mother. Darryl McMahon Dear Sir, You have my condolences during these holiday times for the passing of yoiu good friend and the passing of your wife. I am not married and never have been married and can understand your anquish. However, I know that family and companionship are important aspects of our lives. Thanks again to Keith, Midori and others for hosting this website so that people of similar sensibilities can exchange words and thoughts about our world and lives. Daryl - we are here for you on this email community. --- Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our household is in mourning, we have not lacked for tears these past few weeks. A month ago my wife's mother died after a year of ups and downs and time in and out of hospital. Her passing was peaceful, and her life was long and full. She raised five children in trying circumstances. She left no doubt that I was welcomed into her family. Even in her waning days she brought comfort to others. I will miss her smile, her good nature, her grace in accepting us for who we are and life for what it is. Yesterday, I had the sad honour of being a pall-bearer for a friend and past colleague. Brian was 48, and in my opinion a genius. However, he eschewed fortune and fame that I am sure he could have obtained in favour of raising a family (not genetically his own). Brian was spiritual without being overtly religious. While he suffered from colitis, it was requested that donations in his memory go to causes dear to his heart, education in Belize and a summer camp intended to instill spiritual values. Brian was one who truly supported me in my investigation of biodiesel, probing the underbelly of the Hydrogen Economy and other pursuits. He died less than 24 hours after being released from hospital after successful surgery and 3 days before Christmas. The coroner has not determined a cause of death after an autopsy, and an inquest is now expected. I will miss his curiosity, his enthusiasm, his guiding questions and his support. These are two people who embodied good will in my experience. Ordinary in many respects, yet so special to those close to them. The loss of life caused by the earthquakes and tsunamis and their after-effects around the Indian Ocean are beyond my comprehension. We will be making a donation to the Red Cross today in the hope that it will help in some small way after this catastrophe. Mostly because we can't imagine people of good will not doing something in response. Because even small acts are better than inaction. At times like these I truly wonder if our efforts to improve our world and the lot of others (and even ourselves) serve any real purpose in the face of nature's caprices and the works of evil that remain evident about us. Today I am tired in spirit as well as body. Even the love of those around me brings little solace. It is anger that provides my energy today. Perhaps with resolve I will yet harness that anger to productive use, to cut through the fog of despair that shrouds even the sky now, as though it empathizes. (More likely, I'm just too miserly to waste even anger.) I find myself grateful to the community on this list for continually showing me that there are still so many people of good will that also strive for a better world (improving this one) in their own ways. Thank you all for sharing your good will. Wishing strength to us all, in all the good we try to do through trying times, Darryl
Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots
Hi Keith, Philip, and other list members, I am going to take this further. Perhaps I will look at America, and Canada, for starters. I am mostly interested in things like hand tools, clothing (kids school clothes, men's and women's active wear, work clothes, undergarments, etc.) lawn and garden items, etc. Already reads like a Wal-mart isle, doesn't it? I want to see my family's need's sourced as close to home as possible because that makes the most sense. It makes sense financially. It makes sense environmentally. It makes sense strategically. It makes sense tactically. Would I cross a national border to purchase an item simply because it can be had for less money over there? For lower price alone, absolutely not. For better quality. For a better value. These last two I would consider, yes. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 1:09 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sorel Boots Hi Marna, Phillip and all There's one company, I think doing e-commerce, that has tried to source all their goods as strictly Made in the USA, and they've had a lot of difficulty, but have succeeded in offering a good catalog. I'll try to find the article I received about them. Where it really happens is in local markets, like CSAs for food for instance, many varieties, not just food. Best wishes Keith A bit off topic, but, Phillip wrote: but Sorel Boots of Portland, Oregon is only U.S made. No kidding! I am from Portland, and did not ever hear of Sorel's until I moved to the nether regions of Idaho Falls, Idaho (cold), just South of Butte, Montana (frickin' cold) and just East of Jackson Hole, Wy (great skiing). Anyway, my impression was that Sorel's were Canadian. So I did some quick research and found out that Sorel's were founded indeed by a Canadian Company and was only recently aquired by Columbia Sports (which is indeed a Portland Company). So I am wondering if US made Sorel's are really US made or if they are made in the US owned Mariana's Islands (read slave labor from Indonesia) as were (and maybe still are) US MADE manufactured goods sold in Nordstrom's (based on an expose in the Seattle Weekly). Marna ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Made in China?
Hey cs, Why so angry? No need to get nasty. Your early points have already received backing, personally, I see no attacks on you. Argue your point to your satisfaction if that is your desire, but I see no reason to include comments that could even remotely be construed as spiteful. I am getting a real sense now of just how deep distrust, and even hatred of Americans runs in the world, not just here, although I do sense it here. It's a shame really. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: csc-propulsion [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? If you doesn't know the facts, then u should ask your Congressman why the Bush OK the takeover of Global Crossing by Singapore Telemedia? If you do not know Li Ka Shing, then u should ask Hongkong Shanghai Bank bosses in UK or the people of HK. If u wish to blame China for America's accumulated trade problems, asked Madeline Albright if China has taken advantage of USA. Ask her if she agreed that Chinese consumer products has indeed bought about reduced inflation for USA. Bash China for all u can but find a real good reason for doing so. If USA media can be trusted, Americans would be a happier lot but there are so much bullshit being written for real like Jon Dougherty from WorldnetDaily. (Eventually he was exposed as writing for a famous American entreprenuer who wanted to have Global Crossing for nothing so they hit onto this nationalistic fervour but Bush turn it down) My advice is for him to join Hollywood as a script writer so that more bullshit can be captured on screen. Walt, catch up with your reading. The 2002 article is already outdated. CS - Original Message - From: Walt Patrick [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 30, 2004 2:01 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Made in China? At 07:25 PM 12/29/2004, CS Chua wrote: Most Americans like Walt Patrick are victims of USA media reporting, which unfortunately twist their facts depending on which lobby pays them in Washington. Here's an example of the twisty reporting that raises concerns. http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26539 Is CS offering gospel or BS? Walt Patrick certainly doesn't know, but this he is confident of: the Chinese think in the long term, whereas Americans seem to have abandoned any considerations beyond those immediately at hand. And the smart money knows that those who play the long game tend to win in the long run. Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Made in China?
Can someone please explain why it is that approx. 70 to 80% (I think I am being a little too conservative with these percentages) of the items for sale, at any given department store in America today, are made in China? This question has bothered me for years. Is this simply a matter of lower labor cost in regards to manufacturing? Are the majority of these products designed in the states and then produced overseas? I realize this is off-topic, and I do try to keep my off-topic posts to an absolute minimum, but I could sure use some enlightenment on this one. AntiFossil Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems
LOL, another outstanding Toddism! I grew up in Houston, Texas. For those not familiar with American geography, Houston is a port city along the coast of Texas, and considered to be part of the deep south. We used to have routine visits (patrols) by the local church (division) of southern Baptists who would send small groups of dedicated parishioners (platoons) to my parents doorstep with smiling, but always different, faces, and always the same question. Have you been saved? My fathers answer, which used to make me laugh as a kid and now really makes me bust a gut, was short and sweet. He would just smile and say, Yes I have been, until now that is, from a$$s like ya'll! Somehow I think my father and you, Todd, would have gotten along just fine. AntiFossil Mike Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:37 PM Subject: Sermon on the mount...Re: [Biofuel] Titration problems Okay, Now that we've had the sermon on the mount, circa 2004, the question still remains. If you're born again, do you have two belly buttons? Todd Swearingen Born okay the first time. - Original Message - From: Tim Ferguson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Ah yes, But the bible also states that your righteousness is as filthy rags. This passage is in the new testament and I'll have to look up the exact reference later. Righteousness and Religion don't count for anything. But before I further this thought you must first be a believer in God (by whatever name you call him). If you don't believe then what's the point. But if you do believe then you must certainly recall some scriptures. I read some post that stated that God did not intend for religion to be organized. But he most certainly did. In the old testament there is scripture reference stating forsake not the gathering together of yourselves as the manner of some is... meaning that people of faith should assemble together. And why should we gather together? As is stated in the new testament Faith is built from faith to faith.. which is to say that we increase in both knowledge and understanding by gathering together, much as we do here in the befoul list. We share our knowledge, gain understanding, and encourage one another. The apostle Paul also stated that things should be done in order regarding the gathering together. Much of those gathering together events were not however held in Temples but rather in homes of individuals and other places. The Church is not a building but rather it refers to the Faithful followers. The Temples are no less sacred but still only a place to gather together. No one can argue that much of the so called Christian community today is filled with hypocrites, socialites, etc...many people seeking to put forward a good face to mask their evil deeds. The scripture also states ..that where good is, evil is also present... I agree that most of what exist of religious organizations today is either a cult or cult like but not all. I will always be reluctant to stereotype anyone because I believe that there is always some good to be found within the bad (speaking of people). Our challenge today is to find someone in which we can gather together with who is indeed seeking after God and his will in our lives that we can increase our faith through association with their faith. And what if you don't believe as I believe? It doesn't matter to me. I can't save you anyway. Save you (the non-believer) from what? It doesn't matter...you don't believe. I will still pray to my God that he bless you and your house and that we may all live in peace and that we can learn to live as equals on this planet. And I can share my efforts with my neighbors (of various faiths) to bring equity to the world starting with my neighbors. None of my neighbors share the same faith but we do share this planet and I hope that we can learn together how to reap, replenish and restore what this earth has for us. May God bless you all, Best wishes, Tim Romans 2:14-15 Luc - Original Message - To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 27, 2004 7:47 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Titration problems Christopher: God is not as illogical as religion would put Him. According to the Bible, even persons who never knew of God but do the right(good)thing ARE
[Biofuel] Happy trails everyone!
Hello everyone, From my family, to all of you and yours, we wish for you a safe and joyous holiday season, followed by a year filled with good health, great friends, and endless happy trails! AntiFossil Mike and Kristine Krafka Samantha, Stephanie, Jessica, Johnny, Aubrey MN USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Different weather, was Donation Info
Normal, perhaps, but it doesn't feel normal. My home lies within, or I guess I should say under, what was until quite recently a major flyway for several species of migratory birds. Chief among them, however, is the Canada goose. Like clockwork, with the arrival of cooler weather, we could see them, and of course hear them, noisily making their way south for the winter. For my family, it was part of the changing of the seasons. Not a separate event, but integrated, something we had come to expect I guess. For the first time, this year, I can count the number of flights of Canada geese that I personally saw, on one hand. For my family, that's devastating news. Is this change a result of a larger global shift in weather patterns? I, personally, have no way of knowing, and at the end of the day, don't really care. Do I want things to change back to the way they were so that my and I could once again hear the off-key honking of the wonderfully noisy Canada goose? No, I don't. We have had our time, and we now have beautiful memories of playing in piles of leaves together, goofing off together, and the always favorite chopping and stacking firewood together. All of it enjoyed together, and during quite a large portion of it we had live music! No, we can't go back. If the geese come back our way, great, if not, someone else gets their music for awhile. Can I still work towards ending mankind's negative impacts on the global climatic system? Try and stop me. AntiFossil. * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: mark manchester [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 20, 2004 2:23 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Different weather, was Donation Info Is this climate change? Here in Toronto my brothers and sister and I always went tobogganing on Christmas Eve, that was our happy ritual, year after year, under the stars. Then one year, and it was easily twenty years ago, there wasn't really very much snow, but we went anyway. I was skeptical, surveying the slope from the top, and decided not to go down. My sister said she hadn't hauled the toboggan all the way up here for nothing, hopped on, and went down alone. The sled stopped cold at the bottom of the moonlit hill and in the impact, my sister had broken her back. We've not had a white Christmas since, either, though our enthusiasm for tobogganing isn't what it used to be. Bewildering, but maybe this sort of climate change is normal. What's the lifespan of a polar bear hunting his iceflow, or a Canada Goose migrating with visual cues? Adaptation is quick for some species. Jesse From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2004 12:52:21 -0500 To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Donation Info Hallo Keith, Again, no thanks necessary. This is a pure pleasure for me. Just to let the list know, there have been 14 responses (which includes me) to date. Some are those I would expect to respond but some are lurkers which is nice. It is always nice to know that there are those out there who appreciate a good and worthwhile effort such as this list and JtF. I expect that after the holidays we will be getting more response from others. I think that at this time of the year there are holidays nearly worldwide. Were I not a religious person I would still be thankful for the cold quiet and beauty of winter which gives the land a time of rest and stillness, at least in the northern climates. Winter is my favorite time of year. I do miss the snow we once had when I was a child. We have hardly been able to ski for the last 15 years or so unless we went farther north. When I was younger we had the snow from November through to sometimes mid-March.There is something very restful about going out in the dark and checking up on and caring for the animals. Nothing quite beats the cold, quiet, peaceful winter night. Then after seeing that they have sufficient food and water to get them through the night one is able to come into the house, load the wood into the furnace for the night, and enjoy the warmth and rest. I wish you all of whatever tradition the best of the season and I wish the same for my brothers and sisters who do not have a religious tradition. We are all one. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at
Re: [Biofuel] 55 gallon drum of soybean or canola oil
Here's a site I have had some luck with. Not sure where you are at, but a simple search and you should have what you need. http://www.chembuyersguide.com/index.htm Good luck AntiFossil Minnesota, USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Mel Riser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 6:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 55 gallon drum of soybean or canola oil Anyone know where to order oil 55 gallons at a time? I would think there would be some place that will sell me oil in 55 gallon plastic drums and deliver it to my house by motor freight? People buy and ship industrial chemicals like this all the time. Should be able to get a great price. Maybe a large restaurant supply house? any ideas? mel --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.809 / Virus Database: 551 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Thanks for the kind words Keith. It is an honor for me to be among the members of this list. If I didn't spend all my time reading all the posts, and following links and learning, perhaps I could contribute more. (lol) AntiFossil * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquitoes. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 6:29 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hello Mike Helpings from our vault more than repaid! Thankyou so much! Something we'll treasure. For our part, I'm very pleased we've been able to help you. By the way, you are not the only disabled person here, there are quite a few others that I know of, and probably more that I don't know of. What strikes me very much about all of you is how very able you appear to be! A lot more so perhaps than many others with no apparent disabilities who don't do anything to help themselves or anyone else. Strength to you Mike, and to all the others, it's an honour to have you here with us. Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money, and their time, into Journey to Forever. I, for one, know of no other site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings attached here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. If you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required. But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note, I happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget. Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop. I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time, also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter, 4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for these in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics when projects complete. My point is that Journey to Forever, first instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful. But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I can tell you that Journey to Forever now has another advocate for life. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Easton, Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of his resources keeping us (the nuthouse) alive for, how many years now? Journey has a donation button also. Both of them should deserve at least some expense coverage from us all. Cheers, Aleks Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14.12.2004 19:26 Please respond to biofuel To: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him
Re: [Biofuel] More winterizing questions
Yep, I'll second that. * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquitoe. Dalai Lama * The difference between truth and fiction is that fiction must make sense or nobody will believe it. Mark Twain * - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 12:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] More winterizing questions Guaranteed. Far more so if the windows are single pane. - Original Message - From: Eric Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 10:00 AM Subject: [Biofuel] More winterizing questions Do you think putting plastic over the windows in ones home helps to keep the heat in during the winter? Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Some good reminders for us all here. Not just of the ongoing efforts of some very dedicated people, but also of the fact that they put their money, and their time, into Journey to Forever. I, for one, know of no other site anywhere, without exception, where one can find such an extensive compilation of pertinent, referenced knowledge presented purely because a group of people desire to share a better way. There are no strings attached here, no required monthly fees for access to this vault of information. If you want this information, or better yet, need this information, simply help yourself. It's all very clearly linked, and well presented here, so you will have no trouble finding your way around. All that takes time and effort, not too mention considerable skill to add to the site when required. But for our focus, in this thread anyway, it takes money, and I will be contributing based on how important this has been for myself, and how valuable I believe this site too be for my family. On a personal note, I happen to be disabled, not something I have ever mentioned on this list before, and as a result of this my family and I are on a very tight budget. Thanks to this site specifically, I have, over the past month, constructed a waste oil heater, which works amazingly well and now heats my garage/shop. I am currently working on constructing my first biodiesel processor. I don't expect to be finished with construction until around the end of March though because I am also working on some other projects at the same time, also slated for completion in early Spring 2005 (Turning Barrel Composter, 4 Auto-Shut-Off rain barrels). I will be posting all of my plans for these in approx. 3 weeks time, with drawings, and will then be submitting pics when projects complete. My point is that Journey to Forever, first instructed me step by step, on how to do exactly what I needed to do to help myself, and my family. For that alone, I am so much more than grateful. But when you add to that all the great advice, and clear voices from around this beautiful planet that I am now privileged to be able listen to, and I can tell you that Journey to Forever now has another advocate for life. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Easton, Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Yes, a fine proposal. But let's not forget Keith, also spending a lot of his resources keeping us (the nuthouse) alive for, how many years now? Journey has a donation button also. Both of them should deserve at least some expense coverage from us all. Cheers, Aleks Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14.12.2004 19:26 Please respond to biofuel To: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc: Subject:[Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Strae liegen, da sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by
Re: [Biofuel] I made a test batch!
Congrats Wendy, Your excitement is contagious, and it is also very nice too see! I think your I don't care attitude regarding your families opinion of your current level of sanity is very healthy as well. You certainly aren't the first to be declared insane for realizing that you can do every bit as good a job, and probably a far superior job at making your own biodiesel than any big oil corporation. Again, it's nice to see your excitement. Thanks for sharing it! Keep your focus on the quality of your biodiesel, something we all must do, and who knows, maybe your family will all be driving diesel powered vehicles, fueled by you,before long! AntiFossil PS - You may want to limit the amount of time you spend sniffing your TDI exhaust ! LOL - Original Message - From: Eric Wendy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 7:53 AM Subject: [Biofuel] I made a test batch! Yesterday, I went to the Fulton Center for Sustainable Living at Wilson College, Chambersburg, PA and made some bio diesel. My first batch! I canÕt believe how ÒniceÓ the exhaust from my TDI smells! Sorry, I just had to share my excitement with the group! I feel like a kid on Christmas day! IÕve been part of this group for almost two years. I finally got a TDI at the end of October and now my goal is to start home brewing beginning the first of the year! My family thinks I am nuts, but I donÕt care! Wendy Adams Harrisburg, PA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Martin's Job
Either way, sounds like a great idea too me. Just say the word Gustl. AntiFossil - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 12:26 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Martin's Job Hallo Friends, I may be out of line here with this idea I have but here it is. Martin Klingensmith has volunteered his time and effort to giving this list a good home. More than the time and effort I believe he is spending his own money on the physical resources (hardware/software) needed to keep this list alive and upgrade it. If each of us who appreciate his efforts would consider sending a dollar or two or five (or the foreign equivalent) to him to help him defray his costs it would not only be a kind gesture but show our appreciation of his work in a way which would allow him to continue with his fine work and make the list even better and more secure and efficient. Anyone who was around for the last attack on the list knows what I mean about being secure. I am not sure how Martin would feel about this as I haven't spoken to him about it. My feelings on the matter are that this list is a little home for a bunch of good people and that it serves the greater good of us all. I am willing to act as the collection point and receive any contributions which anyone would care to make and send them on to Martin, with his and the lists permission. Any donations could be sent to Martin in care of me at my address and I would forward them to him unless Martin does not mind giving his address to the list and receiving them directly. What are the lists thoughts on this those of the list owner and administrators and, of course, Martin? Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power
Hello Todd, My mother would be speechless! A difficult task to accomplish in person, but via email...the stuff of legend! I thought I had a decent command of the English vocabulary. I use the past tense here, for the first time, because after this email I will need to reconsider. I don't want to get too Pro-Todd here because too many compliments have been known to go straight to the old inflatable head. But I couldn't let this one get by without speaking up. Well said. Anti-Fossil - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power What in Jehovah or Saint Nick's name is your problem chump? First you lay claims of international import/consequence without offering any reference/evidence. Then you attempt to corroborate your claims by using propaganda websites that are so far leaning to the radical right that Columbus would have perceived himself as flailing and grappling with air after having fallen off the edge. And you further debase your own intellect by supporting your supposed corroboration with a Pakistani field reporter in Iraq who probably never existed until you had to conjour something up to keep from looking like an absolute dullard - which, by the way, you're still batting 1,000 on. So I wasn't wrong. You did graduate from Limbaugh U, with minors in time wasting and ignorance from Bill O'Really Tech, with a supporting staff of rabid right-wingers who don't have enough intelligence between the lot to zip up their own trousers, much less dress themselves. And after swilling at such troughs, you have the unmitigated gall to tell others to get a life? Or to tell them to go out and find the truth, but to not do it in front of a computer screen as you do? If only you would pay attention to your own logic, if but from one sentence to the next. It's got to be said Gary/Carol. People like you give Forest Gump a bad name. The information world is like the financial market? You've got to shop around? Yeah. Right. Shop until you find whichever cock and bull story least resembles the truth and best fits your agenda of wasting the time of others. Well, one thing is for certain. Some disinformationalist in the dark hallways of Pentagon needn't worry about losing his or her job to you. On the other hand, Bozo playing to a crowd at a Minnesota water theme park on a mid-winter's day might. You'd be the only person there lacking enough sense to stay home. Consider yourself given the virtual hook, thrown out the back door and into the rubbish heap for a Wednesday pickup, where you and all malodorous purveyors of misinformation belong. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Gary Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 11:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power Finding answers is not difficult for one that has been a professional investigator all his adult life as this writer. Get a life and search for the truth. It is not all imbedded in the American media but world wide. Many sites are available that are reliable. Just like when you invest in the market, if you are able or willing to take a chance, you need to do homework on the author's of articles and opinions before you decide the quality or accuracy of their information. Unfortunately most of us in America are just too damn lazy to do anything but press the button on the clicker from a rocking chair or wait until the local paper is delivered at the front door. No wonder they are all so astounded at something their local and MM puke on them everyday. I am not at all surprised! So, want the truth learn how to use that computer you are so fond of, after all there is more to life than sitting in front of a screen and filling your unlife with words on email, isn't there? gr - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 9:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power Todd wrote: The same people lied, fabricated, manipulated and stole from the American people 30 years ago and they're doing the exact same thing again today. - Been going on much longer than that my friend. Gutenberg should have this one out by now -- 1919 The Brass Check A Study of American Journalism By Upton Sinclair Who owns the press, and why? When you read your daily paper, are you reading facts, or propaganda? And whose propaganda? Who furnishes the raw material for your thoughts about life? Is it honest material? No man can ask more important questions than those; and here for the first time the questions are answered in a book. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power
This is going be fun.I'll get some popcorn, and, while trying not to choke from laughter over that totally in the know Syria comment, sit back and enjoy myself. Oh yes, I almost forgot. Uhm, Gary, or Carol, or whatever you prefer, I'm sure that this list is not the place to broadcast the fact (I assume it's fact because they are your own words!) that you are a Hollywood homosexual. Gary Carol wrote: maybe you should get on the boat/plane with Hollywood's queer's and (we will save you a seat), head to Canada or Europe. Some of our own brothers are have died as well you moron, and their sacrifice also allows simple minded, vicious (while hidden) little people like yourself to spout off any time they feel like it as well. So I will, and do, always shall thank him, and all of them! But you, for attacking people you know nothing about, you can piss off. Anti-Fossil. - Original Message - From: Gary Carol [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 7:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power You are obviously in the dark. I wonder if YOU are the dumb one? The weapons have been located for some time and if you wouldn't listen or watch the liberal media who constantly keep anything known as positive about the current administration you would know and have read the reports already. The weapons my friend were found at a huge military complex just inside Syria. That information is now old news by the way. The dilemma is now what do we do? Proceed with step 2 of this step 1 for WWIII we are in or shouldn't we wait until we get some stability where we are at first? Seems the latter is logical if you can understand that in your face from another dumb ass American, of which I am extremely proud to be a part of. I think if you are such an expert in such international matters maybe you should get on the boat/plane with Hollywood's queer's and (we will save you a seat), head to Canada or Europe. In the meantime enjoy your right to write such dribble that someone's else's kids, brothers, fathers, mothers and sisters are now dieing for you to have such a privileged. G'Night and Sleep Safe. gr - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 6:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power G'day Todd; - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hyping Terror For Fun, Profit - And Power they said the lack of proof proved that undetectable weapons existed Why is it that each and every time I hear this kind of stupiity (espoused eternal by Rumsfeld and Cheney), that I almost pray for a nuclear attack with two warheads targeted at each of their pointed little heads? Never let it be said that you do not tell it like you see it :-) Damned near anything would be better than to keep these to asses in the power structure. Those two asses are only a small part of the problem. It is those pulling their strings you have to watch out for, you know, the guys you don't want me to bore you with ? What the hell did America do to deserve this? (Don't answer that.) Ah, but I really really want to :) (not really, American hubris gets old after a while) And how can Americans be so frigging dumb? (Feel free to answer that.) As you will no doubt agree, this thing didn't happen overnight nor did it happen in a vaccum, unless that vaccum was indifference and, for lack of a better word, hubris. Being so involved with one's self that one does not see the encroachment until it is too late. Americans are not dumb, they are simply too self indulgent to pay attention to what is happening in front of their eyes. This is a lesson I learned, if you will allow me to ramble a story, some time ago. For the longest time, after having lived in close proximmity with and even in the same house as Americans, I could not figure out why it was that tghings that were obvious to me were lost on them and I could see that certain actions would bring nothing but trouble down the road, but the Americans seems impervious to it. I wondered about that for YEARS, then sudenly, a Christamas eve in St Cloud Minesota, quaint college town, I was in a bar drowning off the day's 700 + miles and it all came home. A very attractive young woman, at the end of the evening was almost throwing herself at this young man and he seemed to not notice, so mouch that I thought he was intentionally ignoring her (for whatever dumb reason), but then the truth hit. He was bnot ignoring her, he hadn't noticed her. How that could have happend was WAy beyond me, as she was being fairly obvious, but it did, and I finnaly understood why. I called hs name, Michael, and said
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel slogans and promotion
Great idea William! Mine was similar, but with two globes. The unhealthy one (dismal, yellowish gray, hazy) to one side, and the healthy one (clear azure blue, white clouds, greens and browns of the continents, as viewed from space). Caption: Renewable Biofuels: We can make it! AntiFossil - Original Message - From: william lemorande [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 1:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel slogans and promotion Another idea... Illustration of a face on a globe. He is choking with heat and smoke surrounding it. Under that a text message saying: Live Longer... Use Biofuels Bill Lemorande Milwaukee,WI - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel slogans and promotion This Hakan guy is full of good ideas ! Luc - Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Biofuel slogans and promotion This is a really good bumper sticker! Peggy Or make it short and sweet for short bumpers :) Drive better and longer. Use biofuels. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] VW Response to US Engine Warrantee using Biodeisel
Hello Mike, I will keep my response short, as I don't have a whole lot to add. An oil man at the top wouldn't be such a disconcerting thing, provided that oil man also had the capacity to lead a nation. I have been voting against Bush for years though, so admittedly I am completely biased. I would like to reassure you that the innovative push does still exist, it is simply coming from a different direction and, currently, not quite as easily seen. To my way of thinking, this might be for the best. First, you have found a resource, in this list, that I'm sure will surprise you. There are some very knowledgeable members here, current writer excluded of course, who are very generous with both their data as well as their experience(s). Secondly, this is still America. I am not going crank my old sunshine pump, however, I will say that for all her faults, there is still a vast majority of souls out here yet to be heard from. So, no matter what these corporations do, or which fuel auto makers attempt to force us to use, or what fuel big oil pedals, there are those of us out here that will do our best to educate ourselves and make up our minds based on that education. Good luck Mike. Anti-Fossil. - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 11:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Response to US Engine Warrantee using Biodeisel I'm new to the list and this was my first posting so maybe I need to pose this a different way. I'm very interested in the potential widespread impact of biodiesel on U.S. fuel demand. The recent extension of tax credits previously enjoyed by ethanol should spur a significant increase in demand for biodiesel. Combined with no engine retrofit it becomes an easy way for mainstream people to begin to actively do something about managing their energy use. Obstacles like the VW America difference of opinion on the ASTM spec versus the German DIN spec will only hold back adoption. Getting VW to agree to the U.S. standard or improving the quality of U.S. mass produced fuel is key. They are the only passenger car manufacturer actively promoting diesel engines and have the most diesel cars on the road. The 2006 Chrysler Jeep Liberty holds some promise as it will be the first non-truck U.S. diesel delivered with a biodiesel blend (even if it's only B5). I haven't seen any releases on the Biodiesel Board website on any efforts to work with the the vehicle manufacturers to work through these issues. Has anyone heard anything on this? The best source I've found is on the NAFTC website which is also a good source for links to a variety of alternative fuel web resources. http://www.nationalafvdayodyssey.org/links/automanufacturers.htm The old guard here is still protecting the petrol dominant stance in the U.S. (assisted by an oil man at the top of course). This is disconcerting since I'm used to a more innovation oriented push. The U.S. is so far behind the curve compared to what's been achieved in Europe. With accelerating demand for oil worldwide (China especially) economics will take over and continue to drive up prices. An energy conservation oriented mindset must somehow take hold. The excessive waste of energy in the U.S. is beyond comprehension. Something has to give and biodiesel combined with conservation is a good place to start. Mike - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:29 PM Subject: [Biofuel] VW Response to US Engine Warrantee using Biodeisel I submitted the following to VW and recieved the expected response. Unless you're sipping from a European biodiesel pump the US engine warrantee is considered void. Sounds like there's lots of work to be done to win them over to the ASTM spec. Is there really that much of a difference between the German DIN V 51606 standard versus ASTM D-6751? Sounds like I should reconsider and look for an older Jetta TDI VW Customer Service, I am considering purchasing a 2005 Passat TDI. I would like to use B20 diesel fuel (20% biodiesel as an additive with 80% petrol diesel). Does using this fuel have any affect on the powertrain warranty? I may also consider eventually running on B100 (100% biodiesel). I understand that these fuel types are in widespread use today in Germany. Thank you in advance for you help. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 6:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Product Information Dear Michael, Thank you for visiting the Volkswagen Web site. We appreciate your inquiry on Volkswagen's position on using biodiesel fuel. B100 stands for 100% biodiesel. It is a diesel fuel derived from biomass feedstock such as soybeans. It can be blended with regular diesel fuel (B20 = 20% biodiesel/80
Re: Re[4]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking ToReinInIsrael
It is frustrating dealing with technology that is clearly light years beyond my capacity to understand. I thought I had already composed, and sent, my final reply regarding this particular topic. However, either my mind is going faster than I thought, or I sent said reply to the same place my other sock always goes after it enters the dryer. If by some chance that phantom reply materializes, I apologize for the duplication. To Gustl, My sincere thanks for the kind words regarding my Grandfather. As for me, I will file this one under lesson learned. I think that one indication of a decent man is when he is able to admit when he is wrong. To be a man, he must remain steadfast in order to learn what his mistake was, and what he must do in order to both correct it, and learn from it. I know that a sure sign of an honorable man is when he can be correct and helpful simultaneously. Thanks for the help Gustl. AntiFossil. - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 7:22 AM Subject: Re[4]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking ToReinInIsrael Hallo Rice, No brother, it isn't waytogo dumbass it is only a mistake. You corrected it. No harm no foul and nobody died. :o) I saw an interview with Powell's intel chief who left his service 4 months prior to Powell going in front of the UN. On the same program they had the folks from our own nuclear program who were quoted as saying that the aluminum tubes were for nuclear production and those folks said they told the government just the opposite...that the tubes were wholly inadequate. Same business on the mobile bio-warefare vans. They came from the Brits and what the Iraqis said they were they were in fact. When you go finding sources don't use just one and drop the ones who are consistently inaccurate. As for you, your grandfather surely would have given you an attaboy since you had the good sense to check your facts and find out what was right. A lot of people wouldn't even have cared. Well done. Happy Happy, Gustl Monday, 22 November, 2004, 17:29:40, you wrote: AF Now is one of those times when my Grandfathers wisdom could have really been AF useful. It would appear that I have contracted very serious disease indeed. AF I believe they call it waytogo dumbass, not exactly sure of the proper AF medical terminology. I will be seeking treatment for this condition shortly, AF and fully expect a complete recovery. After following Gustl's advice and AF doing my homework, I did in fact find some disturbing details re: Powell AF that I was unaware of prior to today. Unaware of primarily because I had AF failed to look. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give regarding AF links to sites that might have more info. regarding the truth about Powell. AF I am in serious need of an education regarding this man, as I am feeling AF like a damn fool right now because I bought into the hype 300%. Again, I AF stand corrected, Anti-Fossil -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To ReinInIsrael
Now is one of those times when my Grandfathers wisdom could have really been useful. It would appear that I have contracted very serious disease indeed. I believe they call it waytogo dumbass, not exactly sure of the proper medical terminology. I will be seeking treatment for this condition shortly, and fully expect a complete recovery. After following Gustl's advice and doing my homework, I did in fact find some disturbing details re: Powell that I was unaware of prior to today. Unaware of primarily because I had failed to look. I would appreciate any assistance anyone can give regarding links to sites that might have more info. regarding the truth about Powell. I am in serious need of an education regarding this man, as I am feeling like a damn fool right now because I bought into the hype 300%. Again, I stand corrected, Anti-Fossil - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 1:49 PM Subject: Re[2]: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To ReinInIsrael Hallo Rice, Monday, 22 November, 2004, 12:26:37, you wrote: AF Jeez, I'm glad you guys aren't privy to my history, and therefore somewhat AF longer list of mistakes than Powell's (although admittedly none involved AF anyone's demise). For the support he had from President moron, personally, AF I am satisfied that Gen. Powell did what he could. Here's hoping you aren't AF expecting more, in the way of successful foreign policy meetings from Ms. AF Rice. We're not talking about mistakes here we are talking about outright and wittingly lying through his teeth. One doesn't compromise their honor and integrity with mistakes but one does when one knowingly uses false and already discredited intel as the basis for going to war. Whatever Powell has done in the past to earn people's respect he has undone with this one calculated and evil incidence of deception which has put our military in harms way for no good reason and has resulted in thousands of deaths and injuries and the literal destruction of a good portion of Iraq. He stood up in front of the world of his own volition and threw away his honor and integrity. His call. He is a big boy. He could have refused and gone public with the solid intel we had but he chose to use the politicized version. All this has already been documented. Do your homework and it is there for the viewing. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein InIsrael
Jeez, I'm glad you guys aren't privy to my history, and therefore somewhat longer list of mistakes than Powell's (although admittedly none involved anyone's demise). For the support he had from President moron, personally, I am satisfied that Gen. Powell did what he could. Here's hoping you aren't expecting more, in the way of successful foreign policy meetings from Ms. Rice. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 10:56 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein InIsrael Good call Gustl; I was wondering if this credit wasn't the dog and pony show he put on on Feb05/03 at the UN calling the plagerized 12 year old student paper presented by Blair as a fine paper by British Intelligence, or maybe it was when he touted the ballon inflators sold to Iraq in the 80s by the Brits as mobile chemical weapons labs, or maybe it was his covering up his part in the Mai Lai massacre. Now there is a set of credits for ya ! Ask Harry Belafonte was he thinks of the good cop. Luc - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:02 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Powell 'Pushed Out' By Bush For Seeking To Rein InIsrael Hallo, Monday, 22 November, 2004, 00:53:32, you wrote: KA Powell thought he could use the credit he had banked as the KA president's 'good cop' in foreign policy to rein in Ariel Sharon KA [Israel's prime minister] and get the peace process going. He was KA wrong. Odd the way some people think. The credit he earned was at the expense of his honor and veracity. Good riddance. I like wolves dressed as wolves myself. Let the sheep alone. Happy Happy, Gustl -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Stra§e liegen, da§ sie gerade deshalb von der gewhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] A note that caught my eye.
While reading through the D.o E.'s Biomass Program page, I noticed a note at the top right section of the page. The note basically said that the technology on this page was no longer a research priority. Can someone please explain this too me? Does this mean that they are not interested in pursuing biodiesel? Finally, would I be way out of line in assuming that GWB, and his big oil buds, are behind this refocusing of their portfolio to something that is a little less directly competitive perhaps? http://www.eere.energy.gov/biomass/renewable_diesel.html Take care, Anti-Fossil ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biodiesel processors
I can understand what you're saying, however I don't see what anyone can do about people who are going to produce biodiesel in the manner you describe. I would like to ask a question, if I may, how much biodiesel are you able to produce now? I have yet to make my first batch, but I will have all the equipment needed by the end of today. This list has been a huge resource, glad I found it. One more question, how long have you been producing biodiesel? In my humble opinion, perhaps less accusations and more production of this high quality bd would be a better use of your time. Take care, Anti-Fossil - Original Message - From: Amzi Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 8:28 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biodiesel processors myself with one of my partners and one employee have built a plant to produce bd in large quantity and have also extended our range to soap production on a large scale. nice soap not the knar-knar soap you see made from the nasty glycerine and other impurities remaining. So if u are going to make bd do it right because all the novices out there the so called experts , by there saying of course, are clowns who use internet propaganda to encourage normal people to drop the nasty chemicals on the ground with their drill mixers or to have these chemicals where their kid or dog can get to them. Biodiesel is a great thing but the producers taking advantage of the propaganda with their bs 40 gallon processors for sale at ridiculous prices is going to ruin this industry for us who are really trying to make a difference not just preying on a trend. Handling these chemicals at home or on a small scale is dangerous for all those interested start or join a coop where you can afford to do it right. For the rest stop making and using inferior bd before you destroy the industry by bragging and then your car breaks. We are trying to produce high quality bd by promoting extensive research and development not by mixing in a drum in our backyard while ours or our neighbor's kid plays on the swing. Nor are we selling an in inferior product which would eventually lead to the end of this industry new cars are no joke there not old vw's or mb's that can take crappy fuel they need the best. Im not trying to hate i just want people to se the big picture. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] a site for sore eyes
Kind of an interesting site. Almost information overload, or maybe that's just me having been on this computer too long today. http://www.dieselnet.com/ Maybe a few reports here that could be useful as well. http://www.dieselnet.com/links/fuel_biodiesel.html Take care all, Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] rumor heard from Montana
Wow Nancy All I got from Luc, when I inquired about the government regs. was his bit about prohibition not stopping the flow of alcohol :) Great as it was, I didn't get near the write up you did. Reckon I need shower or something? - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] rumor heard from Montana Nancy: I drive a truck and believe me truckers can and do delve into story telling as a hobby. If you have not been able to dig up anything overt about this person's claims I should treat it as heresay and not attribute any more relevance to it other than perhpas a footnote. Like anything else, they can find anything wrong with the manufacture of just about anything, there are so many rules and laws on the books for that purpose. If it is not the biodiesel itself it will be some handling rule about methanol as a HazMat, or some environmental rule or reg about disposal of this or that thing that may or may not actually be occuring. By the time the person gets done with the courts it will be a moot point. Should they decide to shut it down, there will alwasy be a way. That said, prohibition didn't stop the making of alcohol and actually became a benefit for those who did make it, making of them very wealthy people, IE the Kennedy's. Should they come after BD it will take an army of inspectors and stoolies to enforce it and that would be seen as counter productive in that BD is an alternate fuel with nothing but positive reprocussions, the oil giants notwithstanding, and the resultant negative publicity surrounding this sort of draconian venture may not go over so well with a public in need of a break from oil price gouging. Try to stop a man from heating his home so his family can be safe from the elements, or getting to and from employment that serves as the primary or only source of reverue by which he feeds his children and someone is going to be buying into a whole world of trouble. Should they wish to outlaw the private making of BD they had better be prepared to make it available at a reasonable price, and the what are they going to do to ensure that the BD in that vehicle is theirs ? It smells like french fries (freedom fries to some) :) isn't going to cut it as it ALL will smell that way. Stop it at the source ? How many restaurants are there ? Millions, I believe, is a very conservative estimate. Start controlling the essentials, like methanol ? Maybe, but that is going to make a lot of painters very rich (see prohibition statement above). Outlaw lye ? Same statement again. lye is used in so many markets for so many things that you will still be abel to get your hands on it, or make your own from a good soap making book. It may require a bit of testing around to get the quantities right, but it can be done with enough determination and determination, I believe, is one element that desribes almost all BD'ers from what I have been able to see so far. So, regulating the production of BD is wholly dependant upon the willingness of the participants to be regulated. Luc - Original Message - From: Nancy Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:57 PM Subject: [Biofuel] rumor heard from Montana talked with a trucker regarding biodiesel. He told me some farmer/rancher in Montana was having major legal problems including threats with his personal use and production of biodiesel for use on his privately owned land. I have pulled from google and find nothing regarding any story such as this. Anyone heard any such info. It wouldn't surprise me if the big boys ie. oil companies and car makers are nix on anything or any product that would take away from their $. Aside from fuel tax? Anyone know of any government regulations regarding production? Like the CSU prof that developed emission system which would easily test for violations so that those vehicles could be corrected. He also developed a cheaper additive to gas that would increase gas milage and was cheaper in costs. We don't hear any more of his system because it's not production $$ for the Big Boys ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Biofuel] Glad to be here.
Just a quick note to say that I have only been a list member now for a few days, but what an education it has been. I am quite interested in producing biodiesel (B100). My current plan is to make the changes required to use B100 as both, the only fuel for my familys vehicles, and the fuel source for heating my home and shop. My real concern, at this point, is to what extent do you think the government will go to regulate home production, or refining, of biodiesel? This question is for anyone who cares to take a stab at it. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] First time with a question
Just a quick note to introduce myself, and say that I have only been a member now for a few days, but what an education it has been. My name is Michael Krafka, but I will be using the i.d. Anti-Fossil. My background, unfortunately, was in the petroleum industry as I was a petroleum inspector for a number of years working both inshore and offshore out of the ports of Galveston, Tx., Houston, Tx., Corpus Christi, Tx., and Texas City, Tx.. I say unfortunately because I now see things in a completely different light, but I am also very grateful for the experience and knowledge that my time inside that industry grants me. I left that position, and Texas, 4 years ago and moved to southern Minnesota where I currently reside with my wife and 5 children. My primary interest, as it relates to this list, is biodiesel and home production. As I stated earlier, I have not been a member for long, but I have benefited greatly already from the incredible quality of links supplied via this list and the network it provides. Thanks for that, and great job all the way around. I also stated that this would be short so I should probably get to the question at some point so here goes. Looking forward, to what extent are you expecting the government to regulate, or attempt to regulate, the home processing, or refining, of biodiesel (b100)? This question is for anyone wishing to take a stab at it. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
