Re: [Biofuel] SALE 79% OFF
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[Biofuel] Why Iran's oil bourse can't break the buck
spending of all nations of the EU today pales by comparison with the total of current US budgeted and unbudgeted military spending. US defense outlays will reach an official, staggering level of US$663 billion in the 2007 fiscal year. The combined annual EU spending amounts to a mere $75 billion, and is tending to decline, in part because of ECB Maastricht deficit pressures on its governments. So today, at least for the present, there are no signs of Japanese, EU or other dollar holders engaging in dollar-asset liquidation. Even China, unhappy as it is with Washington's bully politics, seems reluctant to rouse the American dragon to fury. The origins of the oil bourse The idea of creating a new trading platform in Iran to trade oil and to create a new crude-oil benchmark apparently originated with the former director of the London International Petroleum Exchange, Chris Cook. In a January 21 article in Asia Times Online (What the Iran 'nuclear issue' is really about,http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/HA21Ak01.html), Cook explained the background. Describing a letter he had written in 2001 to the governor of the Iranian Central Bank, Dr Mohsen Nourbakhsh, Cook explained what he advised then: In this letter I pointed out that the structure of global oil markets massively favors intermediary traders and particularly investment banks, and that both consumers and producers such as Iran are adversely affected by this. I recommended that Iran consider as a matter of urgency the creation of a Middle Eastern energy exchange, and particularly a new Persian Gulf benchmark oil price. It is therefore with wry amusement that I have seen a myth being widely propagated on the Internet that the genesis of this Iran bourse project is a wish to subvert the US dollar by denominating oil pricing in euros. As anyone familiar with the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries will know, the denomination of oil sales in currencies other than the dollar is not a new subject, and as anyone familiar with economics will tell you, the denomination of oil sales is merely a transactional issue: what matters is in what assets (or, in the case of the United States, liabilities ) these proceeds are then invested. A full challenge to the domination of the US dollar as the world central-bank reserve currency entails a de facto declaration of war on the full-spectrum dominance of the United States today. The mighty members of the European Central Bank Council well know this. The heads of state of every EU country know this. The Chinese leadership as well as the Japanese and Indians know this. So does Russian President Vladimir Putin. Until some combination of those Eurasian powers congeal in a cohesive challenge to the unbridled domination of the United States as sole superpower, there will be no euro or yen or even Chinese yuan challenging the role of the dollar. The issue is of enormous importance, as it is vital to understand the true dynamics bringing the world to the brink of possible nuclear catastrophe today. As a small ending note, a good friend in Oslo recently forwarded me an article from the Norwegian press. At the end of December, Sven Arild Andersen, director of the Oslo bourse, announced he was fed up with depending on the London oil bourse trading oil in dollars. Norway, a major oil producer, selling most of its oil into euro countries in the EU, he said, should set up its own oil bourse and trade its oil in euros. Will Norway - a member of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization - become the next target for the wrath of the Pentagon? F William Engdahl is author of A Century of War: Anglo-American Oil Politics and the New World Order (Pluto Press). He can be reached through his website, www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net. (Copyright 2006 Asia Times Online Ltd. All rights reserved. Please contact us about sales, syndication and republishing .) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Military Madness: How About a Little Common Sense?
Military Madness: How About a Little Common Sense? MILITARY LUNACY: HOW ABOUT A BIT OF COMMON SENSE? March 9, 2006 http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2006/000233.html By Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman In a crazy place, even the most modest steps toward sanity can seem radical. Thus, in Washington, the Common Sense Budget Act, introduced this week by Representative Lynn Woolsey of California, seems like a far-reaching move. In fact, it might be better titled the How About Just a Bit of Common Sense Act. The legislation would divert $60 billion from the Pentagon budget, and allocate it to social investment, renewable energy and humanitarian aid. Fifteen other members of the Progressive Caucus, of which Woolsey is co-chair, are co-sponsoring the bill. Sixty billion dollars obviously goes a long way when it comes to people's needs, and the legislation promises to do a lot. Among the programs that would benefit: * $10 billion annually would go to provide health care coverage for millions of uninsured children. * $10 billion a year would be spent on modernizing schools. * $10 billion would be invested annually in renewable energy. * $13 billion would be spent every year on humanitarian foreign aid. Yes, $60 billion is a tremendous amount of money. But not for the Department of Defense. The Pentagon is seeking $463 billion for the next fiscal year. That figure excludes the amount Rumsfeld and friends will request to fight the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (and anywhere else they might start fights). For war-fighting, the administration is expected to seek an additional $115 billion in 2006. So we're approaching $600 billion a year in defense/war spending. The proposed cuts for the Pentagon follows recommendations from Reagan Assistant Defense Secretary Lawrence J. Korb. In a report issued in conjunction with the introduction of the Common Sense Budget Act, Korb writes that, without diminishing America's ability to fight extremists, America can save $60 billion mostly by eliminating Cold War-era weapons systems designed to thwart the former Soviet Union -- weapons and programs that are not useful in defending our country from extremists or the other threats we now face. Most of the proposed savings come from reducing the size of the U.S. nuclear arsenal, cutting most spending for the missile defense program, and scaling back or eliminating support for weapons designed to fight perceived threats from the Soviet Union. In other words, these are no-brainer cost savings. They aim to stop spending on Cold War weaponry, but don't threaten the prevailing war-fighting ideology at the Pentagon. The proposed cuts would upset particular defense contractors and agencies, to be sure, but they don't pose a fundamental challenge to the Pentagon's vice grip over the federal budget and inside-the-beltway politics and culture. By way of perspective, consider this: global military expenditures soared past the $1 trillion mark in 2004, according to data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI) and published in the Institute's 2005 Yearbook. In inflation-adjusted terms, military spending is now rivaling the record total achieved during the peak of Cold War expenditures in 1988-1989, according to SIPRI. Since 1998, government military spending has jumped almost 6 percent annually in real terms. The major determinant of the world trend in military expenditure is the change in the USA, which makes up 47 percent of the world total, according to SIPRI's 2005 Yearbook. By 2007, U.S. spending is expected to constitute more than half the total global military expenditure. There are roughly 300 million people living in the United States. There are about 6.5 billion people on the planet, meaning the U.S. population is about 4.6 percent of the global total. One half the world's military spending. Under 5 percent of the world's population. Crazy. Russell Mokhiber is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Corporate Crime Reporter, http://www.corporatecrimereporter.com. Robert Weissman is editor of the Washington, D.C.-based Multinational Monitor, http://www.multinationalmonitor.org. Mokhiber and Weissman are co-authors of On the Rampage: Corporate Predators and the Destruction of Democracy (Monroe, Maine: Common Courage Press). (c) Russell Mokhiber and Robert Weissman This article is posted at: http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/corp-focus/2006/000233.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Biofuel conferences
AOCS Announces 97th Annual Meeting Expo in St. Louis, Missouri http://www.soyatech.com/bluebook/news/sponsor.ldml?a=33421 http://www.aocs.org/meetings/annual_mtg/ http://www.aocs.org/meetings/biodiesel/am06/ Short Course on Biodiesel: Market Trends, Chemistry, and Production April 29-30 Option #1: Short Course registration only AOCS Member$495$595 Nonmember $595$695 Student$165$195 Option #2: Short Course registration plus The Biodiesel Handbook and Industrial Uses of Vegetable Oils AOCS Member$575$675 Nonmember $685$785 Want to Participate in Latin America's Pioneering Biofuels Industry? Join the Leaders at Biofuels Markets Americas http://www.soyatech.com/bluebook/news/sponsor.ldml?a=33008 http://www.greenpowerconferences.com/events/Biofuelsamericas.htm ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Organic Food Goes Mainstream
Well, I did a little searching on an organic brand that we've been buying recently because it is the only organic food available in the stores nearby. (O Organics in Safeway, distributed through Omnibrands Inc.) The prevailing logic from our consumer training is to support organic products by buying them even if they are a little more expensive (justifiably?) in the hope that the increased demand will encourage more products to be available. But voting with your wallet doesn't really work when the money is just going to the same big players and in fact may be supporting the lowering of standards. The ideal solution is to buy local organic produce from small farms. And when there are no local organic producers I suppose it is better to order something over the internet from a small farm in another state rather than buy the big brand at the store. Actually the best solution is to grow/raise your own, which thankfully, we are finally in the position to do, but it takes time. BT -- Phil Howard, post doctoral researcher from The Center for Agroecology Sustainable Food Systems reveals the corporate players in the organic marketplace: http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/corporate_organic.cfm -- Organic Food Goes Mainstream http://www.organicconsumers.org/organic/mainstream060313.cfm - http://www.treehugger.com/files/2006/01/safeway_introdu.php Hello, I had a feeling 'O' was a Safeway brand and what most of us don't know or remember is that Safeway was at the forefront of lowering organic standards. In addition, shopping at the big markets does not support local farmers. I hope folks can spread the word about this and maybe take the time to do more research than I can at this time. Here is a good article on what's wrong with BIG company organic: http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-01-05/news/feature_1.html Thanks, Fresh! Posted by: Fresh | January 30, 2006 11:29 PM Do your homework, folks. Already 2 products from the O Organic line have been withdrawn because the alleged certification had not really been granted. Check the labels. Where is it produced? In countries that have no certification procedures and then brought in wholesale to this country? What are you feeding your babies? Is it indeed organic? Says who? Do your homework. Blind trust can be a dangerous thing. Posted by: Wide Awake | February 16, 2006 10:07 PM http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2005-01-05/news/feature_1.html The O Word Kristie and Rick Knoll were early pioneers of organic farming. So why are they now rebelling against organic? By Will Harper Article Published Jan 5, 2005 --- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Neocon Advocates Civil War in Iraq as Strategic Policy
All war criminals think alike? I guess the strategy wasn't successful enough the first time. Remember Kissinger... You have to go back some 20-plus years, to a time when Ronald Reagan was president and the Iran-lraq war was escalating dramatically. The United States was giving aid and weapons to both Iran and Iraq with the understanding, as Henry Kissinger put it, that it's best to let them kill each other off, and, oil is too valuable a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs. Saddam Hussein, Donald Rumsfeld, and the Golden Spurs An interview with Jeremy Scahill by David Ross Z magazine, November 2002 http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Iraq/Saddam_Rumsfeld_GoldSpurs.html When the Iran-Iraq War began [in 1980] over a million very young men lost their lives in that war Henry Kissinger said, at the beginning of that war, eight years of war, I hope they kill each other. And that was exactly our policy. What could be better? Have them kill each other. Then who has to worry about that region anymore, you know? And dont think thats not exactly our policy all over the world, where there are poor people living today. Thats the solution to overpopulation. Call it triage, whatever you want to call it. Let them kill each other. Let them die. And theyre dying all over Asia, Africa and Latin America, where the masses of poor people live. They are expendable there, as they are expendable here. http://www.addictedtowar.com/ClarkSpeech.html Ramsey Clark: U.S. Will Pay Price for Rule of the Rich Rally Against Sanctions on Iraq, Holman United Methodist Church, Los Angeles, CA. 1998 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel
One thing to remember, Anna. Ethanol has been used at the pump for over 20 years, primarily in a blend. There are several states which mandate it's use in a blend seasonally, for pollution abatement. The "oxygenated" fuels. So public familiarity is built in. The use of spark-ignited combustion in most passenger vehicle engines precludes the use of bio-diesel. And Zeke makes a valid point. Most foreign car manufacturers do not offer diesel engine packages in vehicles for sale in the U.S. However, those same manufacturers offer many different versions of diesels in vehicles offered in Europe, or basically anywhere but the U.S. Even vehicles shipped to Canada have diesels as options. Hope this helps, and if you don't own a diesel, GO GET ONE! Once you become accustomed to it, you'll probably never wish to go back!Regards,Cary S._______ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethynol vs Biodiesel
Hello All, 1st time post here! Excuse my interruption, but I'm reasonably certain there are no diesel engines achieving 50 to 1 compression ratios. The heat generated by such compression would probably melt, if not burn, conventional cast iron cylinders liners and cylinder heads, as well as valves, and aluminum cylinder heads. Most diesel engine compression ratios are in the 16-22 to 1 range. A typical stock 350 Chevy engine uses an average 8.5 to 1 ratio. High compression ratios for high performance gasoline engines are generally 10-11.5 to 1. Also, from my understanding, bio-diesel only attacks natural rubber products, which is not prevalent in newer vehicles. Again, not trying to correct anyone, just relaying information at my disposal, which is why I signed up here, to gather information. Regards,Cary S.___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries
http://health.yahoo.com/news/142160 Diesel Exhaust Chokes Human Arteries December 20, 2005 08:41:13 PM PST By Ed Edelson HealthDay Reporter TUESDAY, Dec. 20 (HealthDay News) -- Fumes belched from 18-wheelers and other diesel-powered vehicles and engines may be especially tough on the human cardiovascular system, new research reveals. In a carefully controlled study, the arteries of healthy volunteers exposed to diesel exhaust lost part of their ability to expand, while their blood became more likely to clot. The bad news about the cardiovascular harm that polluted air can inflict doesn't end there. In a study reported in the Dec. 21 issue of the Journal of the American Medical Association, New York University researchers found that mice exposed to air as polluted as what floats around New York City showed that the effects can be particularly damaging, especially when coupled with a high-fat diet. The human study answers a question scientists have posed for years, one expert noted. People have wondered for a long time whether diesels were harmful, and if so, how, said Dr. Russell V. Luepker, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Minnesota, and a spokesman for the American Heart Association. This study is a building block. It shows that when you look hard for mechanisms, you find them. Luepker was not involved in the study, which was conducted by Scottish researchers at the University of Edinburgh and published in the Dec. 20 issue of Circulation. The research relied on a specially built exposure chamber at the university's Center for Cardiovascular Science. In two one-hour sessions, 30 healthy young men were exposed either to filtered air or to exhaust from an idling diesel engine. The researchers then injected vasodilators -- drugs that cause the arteries to expand -- and took blood samples to measure clotting levels. Response to the vasodilators was reduced significantly after the diesel exposure, and levels of an enzyme that helps keep clots from forming were reduced, the researchers reported. The findings have potentially important implications for the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, which is currently sponsoring a voluntary program to outfit diesel-powered vehicles with devices that trap fine particles in exhaust fumes. Diesel exhaust consists of a complex mixture of particles and gases, said study author Dr. Nick Mills, a clinical research fellow at the Edinburgh center. Before we can advocate the widespread use of particle traps in diesel engines, we need to verify that combustion-derived particles are the responsible component. A number of real-world studies have linked diesel fume exposure to heart attacks and other cardiovascular problems, Mills noted. However, observational studies cannot prove causality, he said. In human exposure studies, we can control for all potential confounding factors and assess the direct effect of particulates on the cardiovascular system. Our findings provide further support for the observational studies and a plausible mechanism to explain association between particles and acute cardiovascular events. It's not clear whether the findings apply to gasoline-powered engines, Mills said, because their emissions are very different from those of diesel-powered engines. In particular, diesel exhaust generates 100 times more pollutant particles, he said. Because the study was so carefully controlled, Luepker labeled the results interesting initial data. But he added that the controlled study in the laboratory is not totally dissimilar to what people out on the street can be exposed to. If this study were done in mice, I would say, 'very interesting,' Luepker said. A study done in healthy humans gets my attention more. In the mouse study from JAMA, the scientists found that mice breathing polluted air developed far more plaque than those breathing filtered air. Rodents that were exposed to polluted air and a high-fat diet had arteries that were 41.5 percent obstructed with plaque, while the mice exposed to a high-fat diet and filtered air only experienced 26.2 percent blockage in their arteries. The mice on normal diets also revealed differences in plaque levels, with the mice exposed to polluted air showing 19.2 percent blockage while those exposed to filtered air showing only 13.2 percent blockage. All the mice were genetically prone to develop heart disease. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Test Batch Help .....Thanks
http://evocm.com/ethanol/pvc_pics/DSC03856.JPG Thanks guys, I thought I was doing something wrong. Apparently, most of the pictures I see are wvo. Keith, the sample is a combination of two pour offsso there is a liters worth of glycerin in the jar. I dont have any translucent containers big enough to hold an entire batch yet, but I do have a 1000 or so mason jars. Thanks for the Help Ben ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Test Batch Help
Could somebody give me a clue as to what I am doing wrong? All my batches except one have turned out pale in color. I am using new oil in 1 liter batches. My measurements are accurate. Taking a big breath now... Here is a picture of my samples. http://evocm.com/ethanol/pvc_pics/DSC03856.JPG Most have turned out looking like the jar on the right. I thought by looking at them one of you could give me a hint. In the meantime I'll keep plugging away. Any help is appreciated. Ben ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [biofuel] Cross post - next generation solar generation
Sun 'to give us cheap fuel' SCIENTISTS say they have found the Holy Grail of fuel and can supply unlimited, super-cheap energy to everyone on Earth in seven years. They claim to have found how to use the SUN to turn WATER into power and so end our reliance on oil, coal and gas. full story http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004401196,00.html We will see if this tech actually gets out in the market place and is not put on a shelf somewhere to collect dust. regards - Original Message - From: Donald Allwright To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 2:20 AM Subject: [biofuel] Question - efficiency of sunlight conversion I have a question that some of you might be able to shed some light on. As well as having an interest in biofuels, I also have an interest in Third World development issues and other technologies, including Solar energy collection and storage. So when trying to find an 'energy solution' for a remote village for example, there are a number of possible options. Of course, you have to ask, what problem are you looking to find a solution for? For the purposes of this post, I will assume that we are trying to provide electricity to power refrigerators, lighting, miscellaneous equipment such as telephones and computers (even remote villages can have satellite connections to the internet these days!). This would be a light load and not include industrial use nor electrical heating/cooking. So I will propose two solutions, both of which are used in various places: 1) Grow an oil crop, use it to power a diesel generator 2) Install photovoltaic solar panels and use a battery system to store the energy overnight [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister user testimonial- Not Ready For Prime Time!
Girl Mark: So how about your own version of equipment? Up for sales? How much? Tricia Liu LA - Original Message - From: girl Mark To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 10:49 PM Subject: [biofuel] Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister user testimonial- Not Ready For Prime Time! For a number of weeks, there's been a discussion at tdiclub about the Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister- the $3,000-$4,300 plastic processor that's being foisted on newcomers with somewhat inaccurate (and scaremongering) advertising. A nice guy named Larry Larson in Illinois bought a FuelMeister and was really excited about it (and was posting about it on tdiclub in advance of actually seeing this Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister). A number of us were sort of criticising him, or more importantly the machine- and he was defending the thing. Well, a month has gone by and Larry just posted in a couple of other places, a somewhat more critical view about his experiences as a Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister owner. This is really big news, mostly because we almost never hear from anyone who owns one of the things, and they are marketed almost exclusively to newbies who dont' have much experience (ie via Tickell's website which gets mostly newcomer traffic (at least on the forum), via RealGoods- which nets traffic from outside the biodiesel community, and via those infomercial sorts of workshops that the various FuelMeister dealers do. Most of what has been posted online, which has been supportive of the Biodiesel Solutions FuelMeister, was written by peopel who just so happened to be FuelMeister dealers- Chuck at DrDiesel for example and the gentleman who is the president of RealGoods. The only user I can think of to post anything who has not also been a dealer, has been Eric Henry of TS Designs in North Carolina, who modified it beyond recognition, to the point where his FuelMeister now looks just like a home-built metal-plumbing processor. I keep trying to make the point (Larry refers to it below) that people are prone to defend their decision when they are criticised for spending huge amounts of money. But in general you would think that you'd hear from tons of peopel who've bought the machine, and that has somehow not been the case. But here is some of Larry's post: posted at Josh Tickell's forum: Hi Folks, Since my last post I have made about 5 more batches. I am less enthusiastic about the Fuelmeister. It takes considerable practice and technique to make it work well. The main issues are 2: 1) it is difficult to get the methanol and lye to mix completely in the mix tank. It can be done, but there needs to be more detail in the instructions to make it clear. A Fuelmeister representative at an energy fair told me it helps to pound the top of the tank to get it to mix. He's right, but this is not indicative of an industrial grade quality processor as they advertise it to be. 2) When emptying the mixing tank into the larger tank, it is difficult to get the small tank to empty completely. With 2 gallons left the oil in the big tank tends to start backing up into the smaller tank. That causes a big mess that I had to clean out by hand. Again, with proper technique, that problem has gotten better, but not completely solved. Customer service is excellent. When my mister assembly began leaking, I called Rudi and I had a new improved one within 24 hours. I think I've called 4 times with various problems, and he always takes time to help solve the problem. But overall, I think it's way overpriced. It's not junk, but it's not industrial grade either. When people see it in my garage, they typically say so where's the $3000 worth of parts? I feel that they should have perfected the machine before putting it out on the market. After paying $3000 I did not expect to be a beta tester for a machine that is not ready for prime time. The company is responsive, and they intend to make ongoing improvements, but that should have been done way before they started marketing it. If I wanted to fiddle and tinker, I would have made my own Appleseed processor for $200. From what I've learned in the last month, I think they work better too. Larry Larson * there's more, in more detail, over at biodieselnow.com (the entire thread is here: http://www.forums.biodieselnow.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=3285 ) quote: Greetings. I am the Larry Larson Girl_Mark referred to in paragraph 9. I have been using a Fuelmeister for about a month, and have made 6 batches. I have mixed feelings about the machine. I bought it because I was anxious to get started making biodiesel and I didn't want to mess with making my own processor. At the time I thought there were too many design
Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog
Hi they from Mercedes-Benz but they are assembled on a contract basis by PUCH in Austria. Have seen them often they ok but the Hummer (got one) is better as long as it fits in with.. So your Hummers must have been stuck in the Forest between the trees.. (or in a German Town as noted...) Urs - Original Message - From: Neoteric Biofuels Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 1:41 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Graz. Austria. From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 11 Dec 2001 22:49:13 + To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog I have Viennese friends who proudly claim the GWagen as Austrian built. I have a friend with one so I will lift the bonnet to see the manufacturer's plate. Thanks - Original Message - From: steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 18:40 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog The Gelaendewagen is produced by Mercedes-Benz. http://www.gwagen.com at $135k, I'll pass. Are you thinking of the Pinzgauer (Steyer Daimler Puch )? http://www.users.qwest.net/~zandersson/pinzfaq.html Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Ken Basterfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 09, 2001 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Am I confused? re 'Mercedes' G Wagen. I had always thought the G Wagen was made in Austria by Daimler Steyer Puch. ken - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: 09 December 2001 04:29 Subject: [biofuel] Re: Unimog Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If the Unimog's overkill for you try the Mercedes G-Wagen. The US military's using them now because the Hummers get stuck and the G-Wagens don't. Do you have any links to support that? http://www.g4rce.net/engl/models-mil-ifav.html g4rce - or all about the Mercedes G. Keith In my 3 years experience with military Hummers we only got one of them stuck twice. Once while driving through a little German town because it was too wide to negotiate one of the turns, and another time when one of our medics high-centered one and lifted two of the wheels off of the ground. From my experience you really have to try to get a Hummer stuck. And even then they come equipped with a pioneer kit and a 10 ton winch to help them get unstuck. Alan Petrillo Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Stop Smoking Now Nicotrol will help http://us.click.yahoo.com/2vN8tD/_pSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~ - Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Need new boots for winter? Looking for a perfect gift for your shoe loving friends? Zappos.com is the perfect fit for all your shoe needs! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ltdUpD/QrSDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send
Re: [biofuel] Lucas diesel pumps
Martin, the problem is not the soft copper but that soft copper becomes 'hard copper' after some time. Due to bending, pressing and vibration the copper hardens and becomes brittle (much easier breakable then mild steel). Nevertheless it can be 'softened' again by heating it up to 'color changing' temperature. This should also be done on copper 'gasket' rings (oil drain plugs) before reinstalling. And Ed.. well if the lines are in fiberglass or firm mounted, so that no open swinging is possible, that's ok. It wont break until you try to bend it. But if you just coil it open around exhaust or make similar home made constructions, then the lines will swing and eventually break. Urs I don't understand the problem with using soft copper for fuel line, just make sure it's secured obviously. If you didn't know, diesels use steel for their high pressure lines. Steel tube is more brittle than copper! -Martin SNIP Ok, Joe, but just wondering, is there any difference in copper (alloys or such?) - copper fuel line was used in my tugboat, and has been there since 1964, with plenty of vibration and bouncing, and no problems. Ed B. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil
Thanks Ed... but the link does not seam to work? maybe a spelling problem? Urs - Original Message - From: Edward Beggs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:07 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil SEE: http://www.webb-sales.com/oil.html Ed B. www.biofuels.ca - Original Message - From: Biofuel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Diesel engines and used motor oil Hi Joe Do you know if 'washing' the used motor oil would help to get the particles out. Or would it help to clean it with a filter powder? Looking into it since some time. No recycling here in Zimbabwe. Usually its drawn into a hole on the dust roads and covered with sand after (best case... sometimes just right on the road...) or used around house/under foundations for termite protections or on wood to prevent from wood borers/termites. I know... don't tell me about the environment... but.. that's live here... Also I believe there is a Cummins available that does never (or only every 100'000 miles or so) changes the oil but continuously replaces some of it with fresh oil and mixes the rest into the diesel...? (That's where I've got the idea from..) Since I have over 1000hp of diesel engines, I'm considering even collecting some of the oil if I find suitable solution... still better then if it's drawn into the ground... Thanks Urs Snip... I know that diesel engines can sucessfully burn veggie oil, but I was wondering if the engine could handle burning used motor oil or transmission fluid resulting from a fluid change. Note that I am not talking about utilizing used motor oil as the entire fuel source, but about adding 7-8 quarts of used motor oil to a full take of standard diesel fuel once every 3-5,000 miles. Kyle Kyle, Yes you can add used motor oil to the fuel, but be aware that there are heavy metal contaminants in used motor oil, as well as small suspended particles (which is the oils job to keep suspended until the next oil change). These particles pass through the oil filter media, but quickly plug up a fuel filter, which has a much smaller filtering size, and no by-pass valve. When I worked for Cummins Engine Company a number of years ago, they sold a machine that would filter the used oil and blend it with the fuel. However they recommended no more than a 5% blend of oil to fuel. The oil capacity of the Cummins NT engines (the 6-cyl semi truck engine) was 44Qts. (US). You would be much better to take the used oil to a recycling center. :-) Joe Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Re: the empire's gone....
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 09, 2001 11:52 AM Subject: [biofuels-biz] Re: the empire's gone The European average consumption of vege oil is 35kg per person per annum. Obviously a lot is simply eaten :), but if only 25% is available as waste oil then uk alone has 1/2 million tonnes to use. Waste tallows could triple that volume. The recent cockups with BSE, FM, food contamination, etc mean that waste cooking oil is now at ridiculously low prices and a serious disposal problem. Other countries that continue to use animal feed methods now outlawed in UK are riding for the same fall. It makes good sense to use WVO as fuel. It also makes sense to use the waste tallows that are also a disposal problem but as we know there are technical issues with high percentage stearic esters in standard vehicles. Re-using waste products does not mean that virgin materials can't also be used, it's just common sense - or should be. As for $$$, it's the same the world over. Biodiesel will only survive if it can somehow undercut the petro competition on price. In Europe that means different excise taxes. In the third world local labour should make home grown fuel cheaper. Regards Dave Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~ - Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Small business owners... Tell us what you think! http://us.click.yahoo.com/vO1FAB/txzCAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuels-biz] Re: jatropha
Hi Dick and all the others... Sorry it has taken me some time to come back to you. The reasons being.. to much other things... and then I had to go back to the people from Binga Trees, who actually are the ones who brought me to the idea of start using Jatropha for Bio-Diesel. Jatropha is extensively tested as SVO in various Diesel engines and seams to do quite well. Despite the fact, that I'm also looking into this subject - at least for some vehicles - I'd rather esterificate it first. Furthermore, I have a bit of a confusion on how do degum the SVO without esterifying it into Bio-Diesel. Some reports recommend degumming, drying, and filtering (but not neutralizing) before using as SVO-Fuel. Perhaps someone can help me on the degumming part...??? - Original Message - From: Dick Carlstein To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: jatropha urs, from your posting in the biofuel list, i take it you are familiar with the biodiesel use of jatropha ? I have not actually made any biodiesel out of jatropha yet but hope to do soon - currently in set up phase if so, how do you go about harvesting, You have to harvest by hand. The best is to wait till the nuts are ripe and quite dry. This way they fall down by itself or just with a little help from shaking the tree. Despite the fact that you can harvest the nuts while they still greenish and on the tree, this is not recommended, as it may result in some juice dripping form the trees and this will give irremovable stains on clothing. Also it is much easier to just pick them up. Harvesting is done about once a month during season or about 3-5 times a year. and then pressing the fruit, to obtain the oil ? We are using a small (~ 60 l/h max.) electrical spindle press. The yield is about 25% - but only 1st time pressing is done at the moment as a second pressing of the cake is usually resulting in machine blockage. This is probably due to the fact that the machine is only used occasionally and not continuously also the cage was a bit on the 'loose' end but has been fixed in the meantime.. we will see it we can try again. 2nd pressing should increase the yield to close to 30%. The total oil-content is about 35%. I think that chemical extraction and/or 2nd pressing should bring the yield to above 30%. whereabouts are you located ? Binga, Zimbabwe, Africa, just on lake Kariba (1736'S-2721'E), about 650m above sea level. The average rainfalls reach around 400 - 500 mm p.a., most of it falls in one month and about 8 months a year are dry (winter season). Night temperatures do not fall below about 8C at night and Day temperatures do seldom exceed 41C. Winter Day temperatures are around 20-30C high, Summer Night temperatures around 16-22C low. (All regional values). do you crop jatropha, and if so what geometrical distribution are you using ? how high do you allow it to grow ? any other by-products, or just the oil and meal ? what do you use the meal for ? Binga Trees is buying the seeds from locals (I plan to do the same). They use the oil mainly for soap production and as lightening fuel. Most plantations are done in form of hedges, also to protect from/keep animals since the plant is not eaten by the animals. Due to the deep roots, the plants provide excelent erosion controll. If planted as hedges, plant about 4 plants per meter. For fields a distance of about 3 meters is used, but according to the yield table on http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html with an estimated oil yield of 1892 l/ha (the 6th highest of all the plants listed) it suggests, that the planting distance may be reduced to about 2 x 2,8m for increased harvests. We calculate at about 4 kg seeds per tree, nevertheless, I have one tree (solitaire) in my garden that yields well above 6 kg p.a. I'm currently starting (preparing for the next rainy season) a field of about 1-3 ha, so ask me again in 1 years :-). The plants are nursed either from the nuts (gives a stronger root) or from cuttings. Harvest starts after 1 year. General cutting will increase the harvest and also provides cuttings for new plants. Most plants are, for practical reasons, kept at a height of about 2,2 to 3 meters but some farmers let them grow to full height (about 5-6 meters). I guess it also depends on what density they have been planted, hedges are generally kept on the lower end. Since all products (seeds, leaves, wood) contain phorbol ester (toxic), the use of the products as well as of the by-products is limited. But still, the cake (meal) makes an excelent fertilizer. The toxic element is quite complicated to be taken out, but it disappears for example during the soap making process. Also by composting, the toxic element will decompose itself. Therefore, the cake from oil processing can be used as is as fertilizer. Tests of Binga Trees in cooperation with a local agricultural training center have shown, that a quantity of 1 kg/m2 is sufficient for intensive vegetable gardening
Re: [biofuel] (OT)Bits Falling Off / Chemical dispensing
Hi Dick and all the others... Sorry it has taken me some time to come back to you. The reasons being.. to much other things... and then I had to go back to the people from Binga Trees, who actually are the ones who brought me to the idea of start using Jatropha for Bio-Diesel. Jatropha is extensively tested as SVO in various Diesel engines and seams to do quite well. Despite the fact, that I'm also looking into this subject - at least for some vehicles - I'd rather esterificate it first. Furthermore, I have a bit of a confusion on how do degum the SVO without esterifying it into Bio-Diesel. Some reports recommend degumming, drying, and filtering (but not neutralizing) before using as SVO-Fuel. Perhaps someone can help me on the degumming part...??? - Original Message - From: Dick Carlstein To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2001 4:59 PM Subject: jatropha urs, from your posting in the biofuel list, i take it you are familiar with the biodiesel use of jatropha ? I have not actually made any biodiesel out of jatropha yet, but hope to do soon - currently in set up phase. if so, how do you go about harvesting, You have to harvest by hand. The best is to wait till the nuts are ripe and quite dry. This way they fall down by itself or just with a little help by shaking the tree. Despite the fact that you can harvest the nuts while they still greenish and on the tree, this is not recommended, as it may result in some juice dripping form the trees and this will give irremovable stains on clothing. Also it is much easier to just pick them up. Harvesting is done about once a month during season or about 3-5 times a year. and then pressing the fruit, to obtain the oil ? We are using a small (~ 60 l/h max.) electrical spindle press. The yield is about 25% - but only 1st time pressing is done at the moment as a second pressing of the cake is usually resulting in machine blockage. This is probably due to the fact that the machine is only used occasionally and not continuously. Also the cage was a bit on the 'loose' end but has been fixed in the meantime.. we will see if we can try again. 2nd pressing should increase the yield to close to 30%. The total oil-content is about 35%. I think that chemical extraction and/or 2nd pressing should bring the yield to above 30%. whereabouts are you located ? Binga, Zimbabwe, Africa, just on lake Kariba (17¼36'S-27¼21'E), about 650m above sea level. The average rainfalls reach around 400 - 500 mm p.a., most of it falls in one month and about 8 months a year are dry (winter season). Night temperatures do not fall below about 8¼C at night and Day temperatures do seldom exceed 41¼C. Winter Day temperatures are around 20-30¼C high, Summer Night temperatures around 16-22¼C low. (All regional values). do you crop jatropha, and if so what geometrical distribution are you using ? how high do you allow it to grow ? any other by-products, or just the oil and meal ? what do you use the meal for ? Binga Trees is buying the seeds from locals (I plan to do the same). They use the oil mainly for soap production and as lightening fuel. Most plantations are done in form of hedges, also to protect from/keep animals since the plant is not eaten by the animals. Due to the deep roots, the plants provide excelent erosion controll. If planted as hedges, plant about 4 plants per meter. For fields a distance of about 3 meters is used, but according to the yield table on http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_yield.html with an estimated oil yield of 1892 l/ha (the 6th highest of all the plants listed) it suggests, that the planting distance may be reduced to about 2 x 2,8m for increased harvests. We calculate at about 4 kg seeds per tree, nevertheless, I have one tree (solitaire) in my garden that yields well above 6 kg p.a. I'm currently starting (preparing for the next rainy season) a field of about 1-3 ha, so ask me again in 1¸ years :-). The plants are nursed either from the nuts (gives a stronger root) or from cuttings. Harvest starts after 1 year. General cutting will increase the harvest and also provides cuttings for new plants. Most plants are, for practical reasons, kept at a height of about 2,2 to 3 meters but some farmers let them grow to full height (about 5-6 meters). I guess it also depends on what density they have been planted, hedges are generally kept on the lower end. Since all products (seeds, leaves, wood) contain phorbol ester (toxic), the use of the products as well as of the by-products is limited. But still, the cake (meal) makes an excelent fertilizer. The toxic element is quite complicated to be taken out, but it disappears for example during the soap making process. Also by composting, the toxic element will decompose itself. Therefore, the cake from oil processing can be used as is as fertilizer. Tests of Binga Trees in cooperation with a local agricultural training center have shown, that a quantity of 1 kg/m2 is sufficient for intensive vegetable
Re: [biofuel] The really soft proof of maybe something, kind of, or not..
Yes.. and on the same token create new problems... I don't believe that we should genetically alter plants nor animal nor human been... No need anyway. If you talk about half dessert (like 8 month no rains or so) you can plant jatropha and make 240 gallons of oil per acre.. no pesticides, no watering, no problems... but! also no frost. Plant once - harvest for ever Guess it would be better to work with the natural resources we have then to try to change them. At least on the long term it will prove to be much better... And if you are environmentally concerned, well then I guess, it's even more import! Urs - Original Message - From: Richard FitzGibbon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 13, 2001 10:04 PM Subject: [biofuel] The really soft proof of maybe something, kind of, or not.. OK group, here it is: In the 70's I read that a team of (New Mexico?) Ag students discovered the ancient ansestor of modern corn plant in the Sonoran Desert. It only grew 4 or 5 kernnels on a very small mis-shapen cob. But it grew in the DESERT. In the 80's a (Florida?) Ag prof. was reported to hawe said that the common pond cattail contained more SUGAR per kilogram than any other plant. In the early 90's I read a report from a committee of geneticists that a plant could be GENETICALLY ALTERED to produce enough sugar to make distillation of ethanol economically feasable. I have no idea where these atatements are true or not. I was not interested it the stuff at the time, so nothing remains but isolated memories. These memories are in my head. I have no proof they occured. Now I want to confirm them or discard them. The tiny tread that connects these memories is the basis of my book. Anyone ever read these statemnts? Know about them? So consider this, if a plant could be genetically bio-engineered to have the following characteristics: to grow in semiarid areas, to be easy to harvest, to never need cultivation, to be extremely high in sucrose and grow rapidly all year, then, the oil cartel would collapse, the skies would clear, global warming would stop and the cost of all manufactured goods prices would decrease. Of course, the geneticist(s) would face some withering resistance from the oil cartel. And I suspect they already have. I believe genecists are working on this precise task, someplace on earth, probably not in an oil producing nation or state (duh). My book is about the problems of a Sprint car driving physician (Yea!!!) releasing genetic research on the internet (the geeks plant genetic code, Yea!!!) in the face of oppposition from oil interests (Boo!!!). I think this is an important time in history. Don't give up. R.D. FitzGibbon __ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] European Renewables Directive
Hallo, Was this draft European Renewables Directive Directive adopted by the European Comission or by the EU Energy Ministers Council: http://www.jxj.com/magsandj/rew/2000_06/taking_road.html Mati Kokk Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ammonia
Why to produce ammonia or other nitrate products at all. Instead you could grow special bacteria which are able to produce nitrogen fertiliser. Then, instead of fertilizer, you may spread the bacteria to your fields. OK, may-be there are restrictions, I am not sufficiently competent on this subject. Mati Kokk Although not strictly a fuel, I am looking for an easy way to produce ammonia or other nitrate products suitable for fertiliser from renewable energy sources. Any chemists out there, who can help, I thought of maybe ammonia production from methane or electrolysed hydrogen. Any suggestions or leads greatly appreciated. Surely if we can generate large amounts of power from renewable sources (biodiesel, wind, biomass) is there not someway it can be used to generate even a weak ammonia solution. My knowledge of Haber/Bosch process is nil, but I do remember that it requires extreme environmental conditions of pressure and temp, that would be impossible on a DIY basis. or are they ? Nitrofying rhizobium bacteria in legumes and use of animal waste products are too bulky and low yielding. Is there not another chemical reaction that can be used to generate a reasonably concentrated supply of Ammonia ? help please. Mike Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://us.click.yahoo.com/kWP7PD/pYNCAA/4ihDAA/FZTVlB/TM -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [biofuel] Ethanol price and availability in Brasilia?
To Terry: Some small companies have started to produce biodiesel in Estonia and their business is economically viable, since we have no excise tax for biodiesel here, only 18 % VAT. One small company is producing biodiesel for boilers from fish processing industry's waste frying oils and this company has good profits as well. But it is rather difficult to start a large-scale biodiesel or ethanol production project. Negotiations with investors, feasibility studies etc.,etc... A rapid alternative could be to import a full tanker of ethanol from Brazil and see what will happen then. During the last 2-4 years, nearly all Estonian drivers here have been very angry on petroleum-based fuel importers - the quality of petroleum-based gasoline and diesel in Estonian tanks is very bad. Despite of the fact that the official fuel standards for gasoline quality have been more strict than in the European Union.(Less sulfur is allowed) Believe it or not - but even Shell, Neste and Texaco sell bad-quality fuel here, not to speak about local fuel distributing companies. During the recent fuel quality monitoring, it appeared that only Statoil and one local company sold acceptable-quality car fuels. The result is that fuel injection systems of modern cars are often harmed and need expensive repair. New car sellers do not give guarantees for car engines. What I want to say is that people here are ready to test in their modern and expensive cars other fuels like ethanol. People are really very disappointed in most of the local fuel traders, including the reputable multinational oil companies. For some reason, the market economy simply does not work here as the hogwash fuel sellers still succeed to survive. Even those rich people who are ready to pay more for fuel, are often not able to find good fuel. There are long discussions about the bad fuel quality in the local Internet. Even during the Soviet occupation which finished 10 years ago, the quality of fuel what was sold then, was much better. Therefore, a batch of ethanol from Brazil could be a relief for many drivers in Estonia. And as much I understand, modern cars with fuel injection and pre-start engine heating systems do not need any conversion for using ethanol-based fuel, isn't it? I mean ethanol with some water and lubricating admixtures. Mati Kokk, Estonia Hello Mati and welcome! The problem is, Brazil started to manufacture ethanol 25 years ago to replace their oil imports. About 45% of their road fuel is ethanol, so there would be a lot of resistance from their government, if anybody started wanting export licences! I do not know the current price. Why is it not possible for Estonia to make biodiesel? Terry UK Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981760018/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-~ eGroups is now Yahoo! Groups Click here for more details http://click.egroups.com/1/11231/0/_/837408/_/981763382/ -_- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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