[Biofuel] A little clarification
Greetings, I do believe that many people on this list don't read real well. I did say I was in favor of colonizing the stars, not the colonizing that happened in past history and is happening today by the corporate world. I do find good in many bad situations. Do I wish that certain changes had come about in a more humane manner, of course. Part of getting over hatred is seeing that even though you hated a situation, some personal good came from it. Hatred is bad for the person who hates, not the person who is hated. By distancing and looking for good, one can overcome hatred of even a whole race. To say that by finding good in a situation that you condoned the original sin is nonsense. That would be like saying a black person who looking at the situation in Africa and counting his blessings that his family is in America, condoned the slavery that brought his family to America. Taking a balance view and learning to not hate for the past by finding good in it should not be the antithesis to a sustainable world. To build a sustainable world, we need to fight current evil yes, but we also need to forgive and forget the past so we can live in peace, not hundreds of years of fighting. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
Greetings, You may want to look into taking kefir rather than yogurt. Here is my favorite kefir site. http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html I do have a few grains to share at this time. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:41 AM 4/17/2006, you wrote: Well, I was attacked by a pit bull while splitting wood this week on my land. (The owner did pull the dog away before I split *IT'S* head) After all the shots and what not, when I got a look at the wound which was way ugly, deep and full of who knows what I did consent to take a broad spectrum antibiotic. I'm eating yogurt too - hope it keep the good bugs up. I think antibiotics are way over prescribed in the US. I was a good American child and drank tons of milk and had constant ear infections. When I grew up I stopped drinking any milk and have never again had an ear infection. My daughter doesn't drink any milk and never gets ear infections. As for the raw food diet, I've done that, I personally felt great and did not lose an ounce, but I ate raw fish and grass-fed beef on it. When I tried it as stricly vegetarian I did feel like I had to eat all the time. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, What is there to jump on here? I personally only take anti-biotics when it is life and death, but then I am allergic to most of them so it is a toss up which is going to kill me. A fever of 105, I would have dumped her in an ice bath and called an ambulance. Drugs do have their place, and yes, I too hope she would give them to her child rather than see the child permanently damaged. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:20 AM 4/16/2006, you wrote: Naturally, there's a little shudder here. What are grandparents for, but to shudder? I'm referring to my daughter who went down to 90 pounds on the raw food diet, and nearly died of pneumonia because she refused to take an anti-biotic. That was an interesting week, changing her sheets four times a day as she sweat into them, her fever going to 105, holding her fiery hand and offering sips of water all night. She would have held out, I think. She told me later that she finally agreed to go to hospital because she could see she was pushing me past MY limits of physical strength. Will she give her baby an antibiotic when it could save her life? Hope so. I guess Kim Travis will jump on me for that one. That thread has already had it's day, maybe. Cheers, Jesse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring the Sixties Out of the Closet
Greetings, What is there to jump on here? I personally only take anti-biotics when it is life and death, but then I am allergic to most of them so it is a toss up which is going to kill me. A fever of 105, I would have dumped her in an ice bath and called an ambulance. Drugs do have their place, and yes, I too hope she would give them to her child rather than see the child permanently damaged. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:20 AM 4/16/2006, you wrote: Naturally, there's a little shudder here. What are grandparents for, but to shudder? I'm referring to my daughter who went down to 90 pounds on the raw food diet, and nearly died of pneumonia because she refused to take an anti-biotic. That was an interesting week, changing her sheets four times a day as she sweat into them, her fever going to 105, holding her fiery hand and offering sips of water all night. She would have held out, I think. She told me later that she finally agreed to go to hospital because she could see she was pushing me past MY limits of physical strength. Will she give her baby an antibiotic when it could save her life? Hope so. I guess Kim Travis will jump on me for that one. That thread has already had it's day, maybe. Cheers, Jesse ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fw: Life span of the republic
Greetings, An interesting piece on democracy, slanted to say the least. Bright Blessings, Kim - Original Message - Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 7:52 PM Subject: Life span of the republic And for you purists out there I included the snopes.com url, they have checked this same email out and confirm a lot of it, however there are some figures used in it that don't necessarily jive the way the email would have you believe but it is interesting at the very least. Rick. // www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/tyler.asp The United States is a Republic - but I think you will get the point! How Long Do We Have? About the time our original 13 states adopted their new constitution, in 1787, Alexander Tyler, a Scottish history professor at the University of Edinburgh, had this to say about the fall of the Athenian Republic some 2,000 years prior: A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the worlds greatest civilizations from the beginning of history, has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence: 1. From bondage to spiritual faith; 2. From spiritual faith to great courage; 3. From courage to liberty; 4. From liberty to abundance; 5. From abundance to complacency; 6. From complacency to apathy; 7. From apathy to dependence; 8. From dependence back into bondage . Professor Joseph Olson of Hamline University School of Law, St. Paul, Minnesota, points out some interesting facts concerning the 2000 Presidential election: Population of counties won by: Gore: 127 million; Bush: 143 million; Square miles of land won by: Gore: 580,000; Bush: 2,427,000 States won by: Gore: 19 Bush: 29 Murder rate per 100,000 residents in counties won by: Gore: 13.2 Bush: 2.1 Professor Olson adds: In aggregate, the map of the territory Bush won was mostly the land owned by the tax-paying citizens of this great country. Gore's territory mostly encompassed those citizens living in government-owned tenements and living off government welfare... Olson believes the United States is now somewhere between the complacency and apathy phase of Professor Tyler's definition of democracy, with some 40 percent of the nation's population already having reached the governmental dependency phase. Pass this along to help everyone realize just how much is at stake, knowing that apathy is the greatest danger to our freedom. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!
Greetings, Did I say that slavery and coercions do not exist today, NO. I said we had hope for a future because these attitudes are being challenged, successfully in some areas. To quote: Is it here? Not on your life. I am not writing a dissertation to include every bit of an argument, but a short note. I totally fail to see where finding some good out of a bad situation is wrong. Just because you can find some good in a bad situation, does not mean that you think the bad situation was right in the first place. When the world hands you lemons, make lemonade! By the way, I am not exactly white so your comments about:Indeed not, but we're the champions at it, the ones who did it (and do it still) with the greatest effect. are confusing, to say the least. I know history quite well, thank you. At times I think better than you. But, I can see hope for humanity, I don't think you can. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:07 PM 4/5/2006, you wrote: Greetings, This time you are dead wrong, Keith. I don't think so. The gist of your message is Colonialism is good for you, with hardly even a pity about all the broken eggs making your brave new omelette. All I am saying is that humanity, and by that I mean all of humanity not just the men, are getting hope of something better. Yes, that was your other point, that colonialism is good for the women victims. Is it here? Not on your life. But some of us, and by this I mean most of us on this list, have a choice of how we are going to spend our life energy. My father/brothers/husband can not just sell me off. Children that march to the beat of a different drummer can not be totally coerced in most of this world. If they could, apartheid and many other evils would still exist. No colonialism, no apartheid. You think it doesn't still exist? Showing now at an empire near you: http://snipurl.com/or14 [Biofuel] Time to get serious about inequality and sustainability http://snipurl.com/or13 [Biofuel] The dangers of being poor and nonwhite Eg. For the most part, slavery and the owning of human beings is illegal. America will know no peace at home or abroad until we resolve the slavery issue. We live in a class society in which the rich prey upon and subjugate the poor of this and all nations. There are but two classes-rich and poor, employers and workers; rulers and servants. Do not take my word for it. Look around you. Weigh the evidence and make up your own mind. -- To bleed and to die in the dust By Charles Sullivan 03/18/06 http://informationclearinghouse.info/article12394.htm Eg. I can not see how it would be possible to build a better world with those institutions still in place. Not if you don't even recognise that they exist, no. Otherwise you fight them. And those of us who do march to the beat of a different drummer are learning from all the people that we can, be they aboriginal or invader to build a sustainable world. It was not just the white man that invaded, or enslaved. Indeed not, but we're the champions at it, the ones who did it (and do it still) with the greatest effect. I have trouble finding a race that has not practiced slavery at one time or another. I seriously believe that the starting point for a decent world is that every man and woman should have the choice of where their life energy is going to be spent. This is the change I see that expanding cultures brought with the breakdown of the old at a time of new horizons. I think you need to read a little history Kim. A lot, actually. While the middle class that has grown out of this has proven to be apathetic, still, look back through history and see how small the middle class was in the past. The middle class is a buffer between the ruling class and the exploited masses, it gets bigger or smaller as required. Basically it's paid to be apathetic, but it doesn't always work out that way. The myth of apathy in the US is just that, a myth, with a lot of spin behind it. I am aware of the designs of the greedy on this expansion, for that matter how greedy the middle class has become, but I do think that freedom is the only hope of getting rid of the classes and having all of humanity living in freedom. That's been the message for about 2,000 years at least, but it's not often said that it depends on colonialism. Very few with real power structures are willing to emigrate, You're kidding, they're there boots and all as soon as there's something to be gained from it, eg ownership of everything. Usually they're there first, they're the ones who open it up. Go and study your history Kim. the reason why I hold hope for expanded freedoms from settling the stars. Very odd idea, that freedom depends on emigration and colonisation. Trying to run away from problems instead of solving them doesn't usually help, you end up taking them with you. And imposing them on others. And, no doubt, still trying to rationalise the slaughter 400 years
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!
Greetings, I never said it was equal or that no one suffered, but hereditary wealth lost it's hold a bit each time a new area opened. Looking back at Ancient Greece and Rome, this happened right up to the opening of the Americas. For that matter, I do believe that Native women have more rights now than they had when they were property of the men in their families. It depends on what you choose to look at and in how general of terms you are speaking. First Americans did practise slavery. Our right to determine the direction of our life today is unparalleled in human history. The fact that not all people have this right, does not take away from the achievement of this freedom. It just means that we need to work harder so that all people can have this right. As to the view of aboriginal people, I have also discovered that their view of the invaders depends on their status within their people and their sex. Not all invaders were horrid, some came to love. This is where the Metis come from. Bright Blessigns, Kim At 10:01 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: Kim at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Each time we have opened a new area we have grown in human rights for a short time. Kim, I doubt if Native Americans, Indigenous peoples all over the world, and anyone who has had their land taken by invaders will agree with this statement. I applaud your desire to be an optimist rather than a pessimist, but optimism should be based on a willingness to look at all facts honestly. Best wishes, Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!
Greetings, This time you are dead wrong, Keith. All I am saying is that humanity, and by that I mean all of humanity not just the men, are getting hope of something better. Is it here? Not on your life. But some of us, and by this I mean most of us on this list, have a choice of how we are going to spend our life energy. My father/brothers/husband can not just sell me off. Children that march to the beat of a different drummer can not be totally coerced in most of this world. If they could, apartheid and many other evils would still exist. For the most part, slavery and the owning of human beings is illegal. I can not see how it would be possible to build a better world with those institutions still in place. And those of us who do march to the beat of a different drummer are learning from all the people that we can, be they aboriginal or invader to build a sustainable world. It was not just the white man that invaded, or enslaved. I have trouble finding a race that has not practiced slavery at one time or another. I seriously believe that the starting point for a decent world is that every man and woman should have the choice of where their life energy is going to be spent. This is the change I see that expanding cultures brought with the breakdown of the old at a time of new horizons. While the middle class that has grown out of this has proven to be apathetic, still, look back through history and see how small the middle class was in the past. I am aware of the designs of the greedy on this expansion, for that matter how greedy the middle class has become, but I do think that freedom is the only hope of getting rid of the classes and having all of humanity living in freedom. Very few with real power structures are willing to emigrate, the reason why I hold hope for expanded freedoms from settling the stars. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:24 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: Sorry to say so, but that sounds horribly like this: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Ryan Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All I can add in our defense, is that much more good has come from our use of the land for the good of the world, than from the natives who inhabited it previously. Yes, you too have benefited from Jackson' s quest, so find a better argument about the poor, savage, barbaric, nomadic though culturally rich natives who fell easily to manifest destiny. Their children are being well taken care of, and now have the benefit of electricity, inexpensive housing, internal combustion, oh, and beer. :) Keith Greetings, I never said it was equal or that no one suffered, but hereditary wealth lost it's hold a bit each time a new area opened. Looking back at Ancient Greece and Rome, this happened right up to the opening of the Americas. For that matter, I do believe that Native women have more rights now than they had when they were property of the men in their families. It depends on what you choose to look at and in how general of terms you are speaking. First Americans did practise slavery. Our right to determine the direction of our life today is unparalleled in human history. The fact that not all people have this right, does not take away from the achievement of this freedom. It just means that we need to work harder so that all people can have this right. As to the view of aboriginal people, I have also discovered that their view of the invaders depends on their status within their people and their sex. Not all invaders were horrid, some came to love. This is where the Metis come from. Bright Blessigns, Kim At 10:01 AM 4/5/2006, you wrote: Kim at Biofuel@sustainablelists.org wrote: Each time we have opened a new area we have grown in human rights for a short time. Kim, I doubt if Native Americans, Indigenous peoples all over the world, and anyone who has had their land taken by invaders will agree with this statement. I applaud your desire to be an optimist rather than a pessimist, but optimism should be based on a willingness to look at all facts honestly. Best wishes, Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] The Age of Autism: Hot potato on the Hill
Greetings, About polio, I do believe there is some research that has tied polio to organophosphate fertilizers. My father and grandfather both had polio, my grandfather was 49 when he go it. They had a farm although they lived in the city by then and had used the chemicals about 10 years before they were both struck. The problem with the trace back was the time between exposure and the outbreak of the disease. There were 3 or 4 different strains of polio and there is some question about the causes of each strain, some may have been a virus but some were cause by exposure to toxic chemicals. In the early years of chemical fertilizers, there were no warning about exposure so the chemicals were handled with bare hands and no masks. It was cases like my grandfather, adults getting what was suppose to be a child's disease that originally sparked the research. I do not have the references for this, I lost the information about 3 computer crashes ago, so I am writing from memory. Actually the vaccination that changed my world was rubella or German measles. When I was growing up, if a child in the neighborhood got German measles, they had lots of company as every young girl that had not had the disease was sent for a visit. Our parents wanted us to catch this disease before our child bearing years, for good reason. Kids today can't believe that parents would want a child to get sick. Vaccination only work on exact strains. The pneumonia vaccine is a good example of that. The popularity of it has dropped since there are so many strains it does not protect against or look at the flu shots. They have proven to be worthless in the last few years. Getting you proper amount of sleep, eating good clean food and removing stress from your life can do more for you than the vaccines. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:24 AM 4/4/2006, you wrote: On 4 Apr 2006, at 08:54, robert luis rabello wrote: This may be true. But I also remember polio, whooping cough and other nasty, debilitating diseases for which there was no cure and no effective treatment before vaccination. Don't look now but Whooping Cough is still around. Polio was decreasing by the time the vaccine was released. My public health instructor used to say that more lives were saved by proper sanitation than all the vaccines in the world. I think she was right. Also, people that are vaccinated still come down with the diseases they were vaccinated for. Huh, how about that? She's lucky she didn't grow up among a large population of other children who likewise DIDN'T get vaccinated. But she did. Rural Malaysia and lots of kids don't get vaccinated. Pretty filthy conditions with the chickens running around everywhere. I have spent many years in classrooms and I have YET to see a child adversely impacted by vaccinations. Maybe the disabled children weren't in your classes. They might have been too disabled to make it in. My own children have been vaccinated and routinely get their booster shots. Neither of them suffer from health issues or learning problems, nor have any children in my extended family. So you say. You might be mentally omitting. Also, who is to say what will develop? There has to be a better solution to this issue than either blithely believing every vaccine is harmless, or espousing a desire to rid the world of vaccines altogether. Here we agree. Like I said, I'm not an anti-vaccination wacko but they just aren't safe enough for me or my family. Me? Lots of problems. I don't know that I blame the vaccines but I don't think they helped all that much. I certainly got plenty of childhood diseases. You do it your way, I'll do it mine. Gary ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: Doctor Doom?!
Greetings, Actually a high population has always resulted in new lands being opened up. I have always figured that the over-population of Earth meant we would colonize the stars. Each time we have opened a new area we have grown in human rights for a short time, I hope that the move to the stars will allow the human race to actually grow up and mature. I know, I am a dreamer, but it sure beats being a pessimist. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:16 PM 4/4/2006, you wrote: Well, by not doing anything about our overpopulation and unsustainable practices, aren't we all implicitly accepting that eventually the ecosystem's immune system (probably via diseases such as ebola) will react to the cancer than humans have become, and bring us back under control. It's as if we're building daycare centers in the medians of busy highways, and then get outraged when someone says that running over children is good. As far as I'm concerned, every major politician who has rejected limits on our growth, is also publicly stating that they favor the painful extermination of 90% of the human race. Ironically, Pianka's plan to kill 90% of the humans to save the earth actually seems a bit anthropocentric to me. The earth will survive us, no matter what we do. It survived many other mass extinctions and environmental changes before in it's history (including shifting to a poisonous oxygen based atmosphere, and being slamming into by a mile wide comet, which would be roughly equivalent to a global nuclear war). It is only whether we will survive which is in question. He seems to think that we are so important that we must do something or the earth is in danger -- I think the ecosystem can take care of us on it's own if it has to. I for one don't want to be removed by the ecosystem's immune system, but I don't think that it cares what I think. On 4/4/06, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anybody know about this here? cracy enough to come out of Texas forewardet by Fritz 31 March 2006 Meeting Doctor Doom Forrest M. Mims III Copyright 2006 by Forrest M. Mims III. Recently citizen scientist Forrest Mims told me about a speech he heard at the Texas Academy of Science during which the speaker, a world-renowned ecologist, advocated for the extermination of 90 percent of the human species in a most horrible and painful manner. Apparently at the speaker's direction, the speech was not video taped by the Academy and so Forrest's may be the only record of what was said. Forrest's account of what he witnessed chilled my soul. Astonishingly, Forrest reports that many of the Academy members present gave the speaker a standing ovation. To date, the Academy has not moved to sanction the speaker or distance itself from the speaker's remarks. If the professional community has lost its sense of moral outrage when one if their own openly calls for the slow and painful extermination of over 5 billion human beings, then it falls upon the amateur community to be the conscience of science. Forrest, who is a member of the Texas Academy and chairs its Environmental Science Section, told me he would be unable to describe the speech in The Citizen Scientist because he has protested the speech to the Academy and he serves as Editor of The Citizen Scientist . Therefore, to preclude a possible conflict of interest, I have directed Forrest to describe what he observed and his reactions in this special feature, for which I have served as editor and which is being released a week ahead of our normal publication schedule. Comments may be sent to Backscatter . Shawn Carlson, Ph.D., Founder and Executive Director, Society for Amateur Scientists. There is always something special about science meetings. The 109th meeting of the Texas Academy of Science at Lamar University in Beaumont on 3-5 March 2006 was especially exciting for me, because a student and his professor presented the results of a DNA study I suggested to them last year. How fulfilling to see the baldcypress ( Taxodium distichum ) leaves we collected last summer and my tree ring photographs transformed into a first class scientific presentation that's nearly ready to submit to a scientific journal (Brian Iken and Dr. Deanna McCullough, Bald Cypress of the Texas Hill Country: Taxonomically Unique? 109th Meeting of the Texas Academy of Science Program and Abstracts [ PDF ], Poster P59, p. 84, 2006). But there was a gravely disturbing side to that otherwise scientifically significant meeting, for I watched in amazement as a few hundred members of the Texas Academy of Science rose to their feet and gave a standing ovation to a speech that enthusiastically advocated the elimination of 90 percent of Earth's population by airborne Ebola. The speech was given by Dr. Eric R. Pianka (Fig. 1), the University of Texas evolutionary ecologist and lizard expert who the Academy named the 2006 Distinguished Texas Scientist. Something curious occurred a minute before
Re: [Biofuel] Virgin Beef tallow and bones energy???
Greetings, Beef fat renders into tallow easiest if ground first, ask any soaper. Keep your temperatures under 250F if you don't want burned tallow. I would contact your local raw feeding [cat dog] list/group and find out how many of the bones they would like. If the bones are fresh, soup is always a good idea. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:10 AM 3/31/2006, you wrote: ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] please confirm or debunk: dieselsecret.com
Greetings, The local VFD should have an auxillery you can join. These are the people that bring the cold towels, water and gatoraid to the firefighters on location. Without these people, the firefighters tend to fall down a lot, grin My local VFD did not have any cops in it, but you sure do get to know them. This is where I get some of my oil, from their fish fry. Although I am no longer a member, I left in good standing and they still work with me. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:29 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Hi Mike, Wrong answer Quiz Kid! LOL!!! I don't live in Atlanta. Rockmart is about an hour or so away, but I may have to agree with you about the Meth as that's what's caused all my woes. Unfortunately, I'm not able to join the local VFD because of some physical problems. Gregg Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh...yes, Georgia. Meth capital of the South. I bet you live on Peachtree Rd. Join the vol. fire dept. half of them will cops. Tell 'em you do BD because you don't want none o yer money going to them A-rabs. You'll be fine. Gregg Davidson wrote: Polk County, Georgia. It's in the NW part of the state. Definitely the home of Closed Minded thinking when it comes to Biodiesel. */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Regular Unleaded Gas... Jeeez, where do you live? Gregg Davidson wrote: Hi Mike, This isn't one of those too good to be true things is it? I've had to forgo biodiesel production due to all the meth heads causing problems with getting some of the components. I have about 55 gallons of WVO I'd like to convert into fuel for my Liberty, but because of the local situation, I'm erring on the side of caution. The logical thing would be to talk to the local law enforcement just as a courtesey, but logic is thrown out the window in my neck of the woods. By the way, what is RUG? Sincerely, Gregg Davidson */Mike Weaver /* wrote: Yes, Andrew, it's true. I myself have made a pile of money off of it and am now running a huge fleet of trucks on DSE. Nah, it's the same as blending - 80% filtered veg oil, 6% RUG and 14% Iso (change formula depending on who you believe) There is a ton on stuff on the web on blending. You can google for more. -Mike Andrew Netherton wrote: Greetings, I recently clicked through an ad to http://www.dieselsecret.com/ that claims to enable you to make an alternative diesel fuel from vegetable oil - not biodiesel, and with no conversion. It sounds simple enough, take vegetable oil (virgin or used), add their Alternative Diesel Fuel Additive (supposedly a catalyst of some sort), filter, and use. Obviously, if they have something worthwhile I'd like to know about it. Just as obviously, if they're selling something that is less than ideal for diesel engines, I'd like to know that too. Has anyone on the list tried what they're selling, good or bad? Anyone with a chemistry background care to hazard a guess as to what their additive might be? Regards, Andrew Netherton ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ New Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Call regular phones from your PC for low, low rates. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz
Re: [Biofuel] How To Steal an Election
Greetings, It appears that in some states at least, there will be a difference between tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum, NAIS. We are seeing opposition building and finally some candidate stepping forward that are oppose to NAIS. Tennessee has new legislation being propose to make NAIS illegal in Tennessee as a mandatory program. In the governors race in Texas, the independent opposition has come out strongly against NAIS. I think NAIS is the issue that is waking up America. It is slow, but people are actually showing up and telling the politicians that they don't want it. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:28 PM 3/28/2006, you wrote: Chip Mefford wrote: Darryl McMahon wrote: Seems to me there are a few levels to the practice. First, establishing the mechanics to pull off the theft initially. SNIP but can't figure out how to provide even a semblance of this ability in a voting machine. Anyone else find this odd? Nope. Ballot receipts were done away with a very long time ago for a reason. If you remember your history, you'll remember this. There is a great deal more to auditability of voting records than a ballot receipt. However, these techniques (e.g., a hash number check total or even a check digit) have not been implemented in the voting machines from the major vendors, although various back doors that permit manipulation of the tally without any audit record of the manipulation have been. I've worked in computer systems a lot of years, including some work in the security side, and that's not just slipshod, it's deliberate. I don't have any recollection of ballot receipts, but then I've only been politically active for about 35 years. Of course, voting machines have never achieved the popularity here in Canada that they have in the U.S. The machines I have seen here have a complete human-readable paper backup - a machine simply scans the check-boxes and maintains a running total. In the event of discrepancies, challenges or judicial recounts, the final authority is the paper record and a human count, not the machine. Personally, I'm still a fan of the old-fashioned paper ballot. Simple, cheap, completely auditable. The process can be completely transparent to the extreme of using see-through ballot boxes (folded ballots). I have worked as an election official on many occasions, and can assure you that results can be tallied just as fast with a paper-based system as with all the fancy, expensive electronics. With scrutineers for candidates at every poll count, it's tough to fix the results at that level. I agree all around. Esp with a large push for folks to actually get involved in staffing the polls and such. Also, every single enterprise not directly involved in providing emergency care and transportation of the sick and injured (elective surgery doesn't count at all) should be CLOSED FOR BUSINESS on election day. The country has only One Job on election day, only one. Nothing else matters. snip Personally, whenever anyone whines at me about elected or appointed officials anymore, I ask them which candidate they campaigned for in the previous election. Voting's not enough anymore (it never was). snip an individual encounters their Aha! moment - once awakened it spreads to other aspects of their lives. (I'm pretty much fully-infected now, and I was groomed as a corporate fast-tracker.) Well, I wasn't groomed for any such thing. And I'd not be too quick to make a lot of assumptions about other folks political actions, either. As far as the relative merits of any top level politico vs. any other, I am still amazed that folks continue to think that somehow one party holds any particular high ground. Agreed, but then I don't have any loyalty to any party. I still vote for the candidate. Of course, I have more choices than is traditional in the U.S. There are six candidates on the ballot for the provincial by-election taking place here on Thursday. Back in October 2000, Down in Tri-State (Kentucky, Ohio,West Virginia) YSA (yet still another) coal sludge sediment pond blew out, dumping 250-300 million gallons of coal sludge and just general vileness into the Tug Fork drainage, blah blah blah, commiting an environmental disaster blah blah on the scale of blah blah, when compared to the Exxon Valdiz blah blah blah. Why all the blah blah blah? Because, it's appalachia, and basically, not to put too fine a point on it, it appears that no one not actually /there/ gives a shit about it at all. Now, Since Bush was going big big on Domestic Coal production at the time, in what should have been a vain attempt to swing a 'always falls to the democrats' state like West Virginia to vote republican (and they did, btw), This would have been a slam dunk for Gore's folks. Lookee here! A gigantic enviromental and human disaster, caused by 'big coals' complete and total
Re: [Biofuel] Wal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up Retail
Greetings, For those of you who like to buy good food in the US, Certified Naturally Grown has the old organic standard that agribusiness could not meet. It is not government run, the farmers certify each other. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 3/27/2006, you wrote: Mike is a US-bashing crackpot. I would not believe a thing he says. Keith Addison wrote: But Mike's right, it doesn't mean anything. Well, it does mean something, but not that it's organic. It definitely doesn't mean that local farm produce that doesn't have USDA organic certification is not organic. Best Keith It means something to me. Someone with CLOUT is making a start and they are willing to help it happen rather than MANDATE it to their suppliers. Kind of unusual and long overdue in the good old USA. Roy Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hogwash. USDA Organic doesn't MEAN ANYTHING. Keith Addison wrote: http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/03/24/D8GI7S484.html Wal-Mart's Organics Could Shake Up Retail Mar 24 6:17 PM US/Eastern By MARCUS KABEL Associated Press Writer BENTONVILLE, Ark. snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Humates
Greetings, While learning about market gardening etc, I have come across some real good information that I have reason to believe is good. The ability of this stuff to tie up heavy metals makes me want to use it, by itself. The improvement in the health of my plants is a real bonus. I have personally seen the difference in the root development in a potting soil that incorporates humates, but it also incorporates a lot of other stuff and I am not sure what was in the control. It was not a scientific experience. Humate Booklet By Dr. Boris Levinsky http://www.teravita.com/Humates/HumateIntro.htm There is just one thing missing: How do I get my powdered humates into a liquid form? The benefits of this stuff for keeping heavy metals out of the food chain is impressive. I have no idea why anyone would add the powder to potting soil, I want to soak my seeds in it. I do have spraying equipment, I can follow the recommendations of how much to spray on the pasture/garden and when. The one thing I have found no information on is: Do they do any ecological damage making this stuff? How sustainable is this product? Is there anyway to duplicate the process on the farm? Since we are looking at using solutions of 0.015% solution and 0.04%, would the humic acid in compost tea do the same thing? I am not trying to be cheap, I have a local supplier called Rabbit Hill that supplies my feed store, so I am not looking at heavy waste of fuel to get my hands on the stuff. We are aiming at being a truly sustainable farm and therefore outside inputs have to be severely limited if not eliminated. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] HELPFUL CREDIT INFO
Greetings, Unfortunately, this attorney did not do his homework. Many places including the USPS will not accept a credit card that is not signed. Worse, you will be paying late fees on your credit card payment if you don't put the full number on your check, many companies just chuck them aside until they have time to track down your account number and make your payment late. They can do this as the instruction they send tell you to put your full account number on the check. Ask your company before following this attorneys advice. The rest of his advice is good, only if you have a safe secure place to keep all your photo copies. If your credit card will let you put your picture on it, do so. If they allow pin numbers, use one. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:47 AM 3/21/2006, you wrote: ATTORNEY'S ADVICE -- NO CHARGE Read this and make a copy for your files in case you need to refer to it someday. Maybe we should all take some of his advice! A corporate attorney sent the following out to the employees in his company. 1. Do not sign the back of your credit cards. Instead, put PHOTO ID REQUIRED. 2. When you are writing checks to pay on your credit card accounts, DO NOT put the complete account number on the For line. Instead, just put the last four numbers. The credit card company knows the rest of the number, and anyone who might be handling your check as it passes through all the check processing channels won't have access to it. 3. Put your work phone # on your checks instead of your home phone. If you have a PO Box use that instead of your home address. If you do not have a PO Box, use your work address. Never have your SS# printed on your checks. (DUH!) You can add it if it is necessary. But if you have it printed, anyone can get it. 4. Place the contents of your wallet on a photocopy machine. Do both sides of each license, credit card, etc. You will know what you had in your wallet and all of the account numbers and phone numbers to call and cancel. Keep the photocopy in a safe place. I also carry a photocopy of my passport when I travel either here or abroad. We've all heard horror stories about fraud that's committed on us in stealing a name, address, Social Security number, credit cards. Unfortunately, I, an attorney, have firsthand knowledge because my wallet was stolen last month. Within a week, the thieve(s) ordered an expensive monthly cell phone package, applied for a VISA credit card, had a credit line approved to buy a Gateway computer, received a PIN number from DMV to change my driving record information online, and more. But here's some critical information to limit the damage in case this happens to you or someone you know: 5. We have been told we should cancel our credit cards immediately. But the key is having the toll free numbers and your card numbers handy so you know whom to call. Keep those where you can find them. 6. File a police report immediately in the jurisdiction where your credit cards, etc., were stolen. This proves to credit providers you were diligent, and this is a first step toward an investigation (if there ever is one). But here's what is perhaps most important of all: (I never even thought to do this.) 7. Call the 3 national credit reporting organizations immediately to place a fraud alert on your name and also call the Social Security fraud line number. I had never heard of doing that until advised by a bank that called to tell me an application for credit was made over the Internet in my name. The alert means any company that checks your credit knows your information was stolen, and they have to contact you by phone to authorize new credit. By the time I was advised to do this, almost two weeks after the theft, all the damage had been done. There are records of all the credit checks initiated by the thieves' purchases, none of which I knew about before placing the alert. Since then, no additional damage has been done, and the thieves threw my wallet away this weekend (someone turned it in). It seems to have stopped them dead in their tracks. Now, here are the numbers you always need to contact about your wallet, etc., has been stolen: 1.) Equifax: 1-800-525-6285 2.) Experian (formerly TRW): 1-888-397-3742 3.) Trans Union: 1-800-680-7289 4.) Social Security Administration (fraud line): 1-800-269-0271 We pass along jokes on the Internet; we pass along just about everything. If you are willing to pass this information along, it could really help someone that you care about. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
[Biofuel] off topic Fwd:The Donkey
Greetings, I know this is off topic, but it is way too funny/wise to not be passed on. Enjoy and Bright Blessings, Kim Subject: The Donkey This is a story we all could learn from. Click on the word Donkey. Donkey ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency
Greetings, The cost of water is a funny thing, the smaller the bottle, the more it costs. One gallon of distilled or spring water at Walmart is $0.58 however, a 16.9 oz or 500ml at the check out is $0.99. Other stores are more expensive, but have the same kind of pricing. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:39 PM 3/9/2006, you wrote: Question is how much does a gallon of bottled water cost in US? Hakan At 19:59 09/03/2006, you wrote: Here's a better one (more current and longer time range) http://www.eia.doe.gov/emeu/international/gas1.htmlhttp://www.eia.doe.g ov/emeu/international/gas1.html Joe Jeromie Reeves wrote: Are you serious? N. America has cheap fuel? Please show me this cheap fuel as I pay WAY more for a gallon of gas then I do a gallon of bottled water. Jeromie Andrew Netherton wrote: I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America. Andrew Netherton On 3/9/06, AltEnergyNetwork mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Research Shows Only two out Six Hybrid Cars Recoup Cost Within 5 Years http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1141917443.news Yonkers, NY - Consumer Reports is revising the cost analysis in a story that examines the ownership costs and financial benefits associated with hybrid cars. The story, titled The dollars and sense of hybrids, appears in the Annual April Auto issue of CR, on newsstands now. Consumer Reports is correcting a calculation error involving the depreciation for the six hybrid vehicles that, in the story, were compared to their conventionally powered counterparts. The error led the publication to overstate how much extra money the hybrids will cost owners during the first five years. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1141917443.news ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Greetings, I know it is hard to walk out on a job without knowing what is coming, but congratulations on your obvious self love. I will send you some energy that hopefully will help you find a way to live better. I am a middle aged woman who is busting her butt building a farm so hubby can retire from the oil field before it kills him, spiritually if not physically. It is a hard challenge, but worth it. May I suggest growing some alfalfa sprouts on your counter? The boost to your system from fresh sprouts has helped many friends fighting depression, for the same kind of reasons. 2 tbsp of seed in a 1 quart jar, soak for 12 hours, then drain. Rinse every 12 hours for the next 3.5 to 4.5 days then eat. Put them in the fridge after 5 days if they are not all gone. This is a wonderful boost of fresh vitamins to help combat the winter doldrums. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:08 PM 2/28/2006, you wrote: Recently, I've found myself unable to concentrate, depressed, having trouble sleeping, being unmotivated, constantly being angry. I'm sure that if I went to see a doctor about this, he or she could prescribe something to try to help. This is civilized society's response to this condition. Go talk to a psychiatrist and we'll drug you up to make you forget about it. And I'm not denying that many people with depression do have chemical imbalances. But, I actually know what causes me to feel this way -- my dead end office job which pays me crap, has no flexibility, in a place with no natural light, and no plants (actually, my two desk plants died, and I feel like I'm on the way out next). A few days off, in the mountains (where I don't even have a flush toilet, oh the horror), and I feel like a real person again. Till Monday when I have to drag myself back to the office. Civilized society sees my job as perfectly normal, and thus cannot solve the root of the problem. However, they can drug me up to make me accept it -- and yes, I know alot of people who have done exactly this. And many more who self medicate with non-prescription drugs such as alchohol, marijuana, etc... I know how to stay healthy -- but I have to be willing to buck societal norms in order to do it. I'm quitting the job on Friday. Not exactly sure what's next but it'll be something more in balance with being a human instead of a robot. On 2/28/06, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take drugs, daily? I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that knows anything about diet. And no, not just rural doctors. If the doctors are so great, then why is our health care so bad? Sorry, but it is not horseshit, I talk to people constantly all over the US on the internet that have no idea how to get healthy, because their doctors don't know. I assume there are some that do bother to learn, but it is not part of the medical school teaching. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:49 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes. Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete horseshit. My sister and her husband, both internists, counsel patients on diet, heart disease and diabetes every single day. Nor are they some wierdos outside the mainstream for doing so. Here is the AMA clinical road map for *dietary* management of adult obesity. http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf Here are the ADA clinical practice guidelines for 2006: http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp Maybe the white haired country docs in rural Texas are ignorant of current practice recommendations, but I find your sweeping generalization to be overly broad. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo
[Biofuel] Nutrition was Re: was Quackbuster Busted in Court
Greetings, Aren't you fortunate to have been born with a good body, it is great that you try to take care of it. I was born severely crippled with bad lungs from a father that smoked. For me, the cost of good food is not negotiable, I have to have it, or I die. I have taken so many drugs over the years that I am now chemically sensitive to almost everything that is not natural, and some of the stupid doctors allow their receptionists to burn scented candles in the office. I have always tried not to take thier drugs, but when you have pnemonia, you don't have much choice. Ditto on having cancer twice. I am healthier now that I have ever been. I eat no commercially processed carbohydrates, I bought a mill about 3 years ago and wow, what a difference. I have battle to avoid insulin for 33 years, easily the last 3 as my blood sugar is now normal. My lungs have healed finally and I now absorb vitamin A since I quit eating grain fed ruminants. Only 100% grass fed beef, lamb and dairy for me. The cost of this is not much more, organic milk at the grocery is now $6.60 and I can buy raw, 100% grass fed milk for $8. Better for me, better for the environment and as soon as Carol delivers again, I will have my own which is better for my wallet. When I did not raise my own meat, I still did home butcher which has really cut the cost of eating well. My meat saw paid for itself on the first cow, over 8 years ago. Yes, I do garden, but if you live in the city there are CSA's and growing sprouts doesn't take much counter space. If you challenge yourself, you can eat well and keep a budget. If you read the book, Saccharine Disease in JTF's library, it really will encourage you to get rid of the processed carbs. I love what it did for me. As for the dieticians, you can have 'em. I have yet to find one that knows what phytase is and how to get it out of your cereals. Or even simpler, the difference between commercially processed carbs and the ones I eat. Most of them don't know what kefir is, or the advantages of sprouts. They eat processed foods themselves, so they don't know the difference. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:41 AM 3/1/2006, you wrote: Hi Kim, I agree as well. Most doctors are so bombarded with incentives from drug companies to promote and perscribe the latest cureall and are so pressed for time that it is amazing that they can even diagnose a patients illness, let alone offer any kind of preventative regiment. I think that you would get better advise from registered dieticians any day. On the subject of eating well, I try to but if I actually followed proper quidelines on what you are really supposed to eat daily, I would be spending a fortune on food. I must be doing something right though as I am not over weight, don't take any perscription drugs(haven't for over 25 years) and haven't had any illness my whole life. I haven't even had so much as the sniffles or a cold in over 20 years (knock on wood ;) Ther ARE some good doctors out there but I understand your frustration in finding one. regards tallex ---Original Message--- From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court Sent: 01 Mar '06 14:04 I agree Kim; Doctors are not in the business of health, they are in the business of treating disease. Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take drugs, daily? I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that knows anything about diet. And no, not just rural doctors. If the doctors are so great, then why is our health care so bad? Sorry, but it is not horseshit, I talk to people constantly all over the US on the internet that have no idea how to get healthy, because their doctors don't know. I assume there are some that do bother to learn, but it is not part of the medical school teaching. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:49 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes. Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete horseshit. My sister and her husband, both internists, counsel patients on diet, heart disease and diabetes every single day. Nor are they some wierdos outside the mainstream for doing so. Here is the AMA clinical road map for *dietary* management of adult obesity. [LINK: http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf] http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf Here are the ADA clinical practice guidelines for 2006: [LINK: http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp] http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp Maybe the white
Re: [Biofuel] A wealth of manuals
Greetings, Thanks Kirk, looks like an interesting list of books. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:45 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote: A wealth of how-to/gardening/energy manuals -- including the whole collection ready to burn to disk (at top) http://sleekfreak.ath.cx:81/3wdev/CD3WD/INDEX.HTM Yahoo! Mail Bring photos to life! New PhotoMail makes sharing a breeze. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Greetings, Is this a surprise? How many people do you know, reguardless of age that don't take at least one prescription drug a day? For us, it is just us, everyone we know takes them. Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes. Go figure. Real information on nutrition is hard to find, if you don't know about JTF and the soil and health library. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:21 PM 2/27/2006, you wrote: American health system rated #72 by WHO and the #1 killer of Americans. Incidentally also the most expensive health care in the world Kirk http://www.bolenreport.net/feature_articles/feature_article023.htm Brings words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Greetings, Then answer the question: how many people do you know that don't take drugs, daily? I have been in the US for 13 years and have yet to find a doctor that knows anything about diet. And no, not just rural doctors. If the doctors are so great, then why is our health care so bad? Sorry, but it is not horseshit, I talk to people constantly all over the US on the internet that have no idea how to get healthy, because their doctors don't know. I assume there are some that do bother to learn, but it is not part of the medical school teaching. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:49 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Doctors in this country tell people that what they eat makes no difference to their health. Diabetics are told that sugar intake has nothing to do with diabetes. Kim, I don't mean to be harsh, but that is utter and complete horseshit. My sister and her husband, both internists, counsel patients on diet, heart disease and diabetes every single day. Nor are they some wierdos outside the mainstream for doing so. Here is the AMA clinical road map for *dietary* management of adult obesity. http://www.ama-assn.org/ama1/pub/upload/mm/433/booklet4-1.pdf Here are the ADA clinical practice guidelines for 2006: http://www.diabetes.org/for-health-professionals-and-scientists/cpr.jsp Maybe the white haired country docs in rural Texas are ignorant of current practice recommendations, but I find your sweeping generalization to be overly broad. jh ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Quackbuster Busted in Court
Greetings, Well, I did try this, talking to an RD, and you know what, most of her recommendations came from a package. That's right, the prepared chemical food that makes you nice and sick. Her comment was to ask why I was talking to her, since I already knew more about nutrition than she did. She said that they are taught not to recomend raw food made from scratch as it would give the proffession a black eye as a bunch of loonies. gota love the system. Thankfully I discovered Keith's JTF site and started down a path that has led to real health for the first time in my life. Thanks Keith. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:00 AM 2/28/2006, you wrote: However, if you really need specialized nutrition advice, you should be seeing an registered dietitian, not an MD (or worse yet, some self proclaimed nutritionist). You wouldn't hire a general contractor or handyman to do your plumbing, you'd hire a licensed plumber. If I need nutrition counseling, I want a referral to an RD, since that's what they are trained to do. And a good physician knows when they are outside their area of expertise and provide such a referral. jh J ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Birth of an Industry
Greetings, I do believe it is worth the effort to attempt to keep control of ourselves, but I actually don't think it is possible. For the last 20-25 years, the small farmer has worked to create certified organic food, community supported agriculture and direct marketed foods for the city folk to eat. We have built up a critical mass of people who are 'suitably out of control'. What is the reward for all of this? NAIS The brainchild of Monsanto and a couple of others, designed to put the small farmer out of business, permanently. For more information please read the following: http://www.farm-garden.com/node/802/print After reading this and doing your own research, if you live in the US, do what you can to help us fight this. Big business has now reached the point of being a dictator and of having government in it's pocket. We can still try and fight, and we must do so if there is to be any hope for our children and grandchildren to be better than slaves, but the future is not bright. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:10 AM 2/23/2006, you wrote: I like your way of thinking steve; In fact if you read my web page the idea of operating like a u-brew place is exactly what I have been suggesting. The idea of building up a nation wide or international body with it's own set of guidelines, standards and quality control measures is still a great idea but I feel it should be kept below the radar as long as possible. In that way the ranks can grow and the larger they become the more 'suitably out of control' (thanks Keith) the situation becomes for those that would one day try to put a halt to it. snip Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX
Greetings, Lowe's has a really good special orders system. I get all kinds of unusual things through them. Sometimes it might take a few days for them to track down the item you want, just to order it, but they have been very dependable. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:43 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: Home Depot was my first stop. I have three of them within 10 mins of my house. the home depot's around here only carry copper pipe up to 1 diameter. 1.5 and 2 is uncommon in residential use here because of the climate, i suppose. i wish i knew a plumber here... but... pvc is plentiful but i have seen recommendations against it. anything wrong with building one out of pvc for first-time short-term use? -Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 12:16 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Looking for still materials in Houston, TX They all look like standard hardware store items to me, but I'm also spoiled by a really good hardware store in town. Have you tried Home Depot? They might have stuff which could be made to work. On 2/15/06, Mark Kennedy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for materials for constructing an ethanol still out of copper pipe and fittings like the one shown below: http://www.moonshine-still.com/ materials list is here, the second one down on the page: Internal Reflux Still: http://www.moonshine-still.com/Appendix%201.htm any ideas where I can find the materials in Houston? i cannot buy wholesale and that is the only source i have found. thanks Mark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
Greetings, I mean vanilla, like you use for baking, the stuff from the kitchen. The artificially flavored stuff doesn't work, the mesquites know the difference. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:14 PM 2/15/2006, you wrote: You mean vanilla or vanillin? Commercially is also available ethylvanillin. Remarkable idea!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release
Greetings, We have found that real vanilla, mixed 1/2 1/2 with water and sprayed on skin is extremely effective against mesquitos here in Texas. It is possible to buy clear vanilla from Mexico so you don't stain your clothes. It also smells much nicer than bacon grease. Might help with the babe problem, as well. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:08 AM 2/15/2006, you wrote: BTW and this is a little off topic as well but while we're on the natural remedies subject I've also found that rubbing bacon grease all over myself and my tent is very effective against mosquitos when I'm travelling in bear country. It's not a babe magnet either :( It doesn't polarise fuel either:( I guess I'm not being too helpful. :( Joe Michael Redler wrote: One remedy for heavy metals does not a babe-magnet make. :-) Mike Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike and All, I'm increasing my garlic intake. It seems that one of the compounds in garlic acts as a chelating agent for heavy metals. I don't know if it will catch mercury but it is supposed to be fairly effective for lead. Tom Irwin From: Mike McGinness [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] To: Sent: Sun, 12 Feb 2006 13:54:55 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release The mercury in vaccines and flu shots has been reduced 99.9% from what it was a few years ago (I researched this a few months ago for a recent booster shot) if you get the right supplier!! BUT, Ask to see the paper work first for the actual vial being used!! I found that out while dealing with the local County Health Clinic dispensing the Vaccines recently. Of course that begs the next question of what toxin they replaced the mercury with to keep the vaccine and flu shots sterile and presumably safe! Mike McGinness Margo wrote: Mercury seems to be in the vaccines as well, including flu shots. I don't know what the answer is, but there must be a better answer than some of the things we humans have come up with so far. I still think the natural food industry has a lot to contribute in this area. Young Living has some very interesting information in some of their latest studies. - Original Message - From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2006 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cross Posted: Mercury Levels Rising: Report Release In regards to mercury emissions from burning coal and my prior comments: I almost forgot the really big, big BIG issue. All silver colored dental fillings are currently still made from mercury amalgam metal alloy (50% raw mercury!!!) according to my local dentist Therefore, We are probably the single largest unregulated source of mercury emissions in the environment! Thanks to the FDA! Mike McGinness ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Termites, global warming
Greetings, Well the thought is close, but it is much easier to hook that pipe up to a methane digester, that the human toilets feed, then use the effluent to create compost. A man by the name of Arun on [EMAIL PROTECTED] has figured out that if we saved all the humanure in the world, we would not need the fertilizer companies. I have personally seen a system where the toilet feeds directly to a digester under the house, which provides the cooking gas, then the effluent goes into the compost pile. I am not too sure I want a methane digester under my house, but it would sure beat hauling buckets. We have the technology and all the information we need to fix the problem. What we don't have is the will to actually make real changes in how we live. Our sanitized world will kill us yet. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:05 PM 2/8/2006, you wrote: Maybe someone should tell Gorge W this it seems simple if we could just hook up hoses to the rear ends of all the cattle we gas could power our electrical generators. This would be much better than going back to the future with nuc power. Just a sarcastic thought. - ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] market gardens
Greetings, I know I just disappeared from this list for a time, I have had some good luck, but it is killing me. My friend was planning on constructing a restaurant in the building she bought on the piece of property next to her home. She planned on doing this after her husband retired, next year. She wanted me to grow all her vegetables for her garden so she would have superior food. Nice idea that fit well with my schedule. Instead, he retire the beginning of February and they bought a restaurant in town. They take over management on March1. They want veggies this year. I am just starting to put my raised beds in. I do have to use raised beds as we get downpours that will cover my land with 6inches of water, as a regular happening. I am in Texas, about 125 miles from the Gulf, somewhere NNW of Houston. I do have to worry about tropical storms and hurricanes, so the raised beds have to be. There are times I hate raised beds, especially in a drought, but when the rain does arrive, it tends to do so, all at once. I have told my friend that I should be able to provide specialty produce this year, but I am not dependable for all her produce. I have never done market gardening before. I am not doing intensive gardening as I have that planting closely does not give me good results. My humidity is so high, I get disease. So I will be spreading the gardens out. I am used to having to water my garden once or twice a day in the heat of the summer. I do plan on using mulch, but I am undecided on what to use. I do have lots of old hay, but I have found that old hay causes weeds. This is not good horse quality hay, but the garbage cleaned off fields that are just being put back into use. Great for my compost pile, but I have reservation about putting it on my garden. I do not like the idea of using wood chips, which I never have enough of anyway. I do like them for the floor of my greenhouse and for paths. I think I may have to drive about 70 miles and buy some straw. This is the first year I planned on growing my own cereal crops. I would have started in the fall, but my Mother who is 77 was here for a visit for 6 weeks and that delayed many things. I am not complaining, I am not sure that I will get another visit, so I did not spend that time doing more that I had to. While I do make about 1 ton of compost a year, which I do expect to increase, at present I am using about 25 tons a year including my pastures. This year will be higher since I am putting in the beds. I plan on adding cottonseed meal and kelp to the compost, water and let sit one month then plant for the beds. I will be tilling down 7 inches, adding compost then tilling again. I do not plan on ever tiling these beds again. This land has not been broken for over 20 years that I know of. I have been running my sheep in the area this winter, to add a little fertilizer. Most of my seed is from Seeds of Change, is open pollinated, some of it is rare and as much as possible is heirloom. I do plan on at least 10% of the garden being used to save seed for the next year. This is a guesstimate, any help on how much to plan for seed saving is appreciated. I have tried really hard to acquire seed that is appropriate to my climate. Some of the seed was planned for a winter garden and some for summer. I do hope to run the gardens year round, which is not real difficult here. If anyone has any comments or suggestions, I will appreciate them. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: [lost-arts] Help Stop the USDA
At 12:02 PM 1/14/2006, you wrote: That may well be cover, of course, it could be about driving the smaller producers out of business. --- David Greetings, That is exactly what it is about. It was the brain child of ADM and Monsanto. It is designed to work well with the bigs guys bookeeping and inventory practises. The costs will drive the small guy out of business. But I think there is more to it, because PAWS is part of it and that will encompass dogs, cats and all pets. According to an e-friend in Ireland, this is how they started the insane rules they have, where it is illegal to kill and eat your own chicken, or milk your own cow and drink it. They are going to force us to be customers of factory food, whether we like it or not. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [lost-arts] Help Stop the USDA
Greetings, This is from my lost arts list. And for those of you that don't think this will affect you, please google PAWS, the pet owner aspect of the NAIS. Cats and dogs will be included. For those of you in Texas, you have until July1, 2006 to comply with NAIS. Bright Blessings, Kim As Matthew and I are very interested in having our own animals one day to provide sustenance for our family, I was very alarmed at this. It is just another way for the government to take away our rights. Thought some of you might be interested in this. ~Lanie Help Stop the USDA from Taking Away Our Livestock and Our Pets Poultry keepers and small farmers are facing a serious threat from a proposed government intrusion in to their pastimes and way of life. For quite a while now, the USDA has been working with the very largest scale animal industry organizations ( for example, The National Pork Producers, Monsanto Company, and Cargill Meat) to develop a mandatory National Animal Identification System (NAIS). Most small scale livestock producers, people who raise animals for thier own food, and people who keep horses and livestock as companion animals do not know about this. The NAIS will drive small producers out of the market, will force people to stop raising animls for thier own food, and will invade our privacy to an extreme degree. It will violate the religios freedoms of Americans whose beliefs make it impossible for them to comply, and will destroy the last vestiges of animal welfare from the production of animals for food. On April 25, 2005,the USDA released Draft Program Standards and a Draft Strategic Plan concerning the NAIS. If you think the description below to bizzare to be true, please go to usda.gov/nais and read the Standards and Plan and check the citations for yourself. By January 1, 2008, the NAIS will be mandatory.(Plan,pp. 2,10,17) Every person who owns even one horse, cow ,pig, chicken, sheep, pidgeon, or virtually any livestock animal, will be forced to register thier home, including the owners name, address and phone number, and keyed to Global Positioning System coordinates for satellite monitoring in a giant federal database under a 7-digit premises id number. St., pp. 3-4, 10-12; Plan, p.5) Every animal wil be assigned a 15 digit I.D. number, also to be kept in a federal database. The id will likely be a tag or microchip containing a Radio Frequency Device, designed to be read from a distance. (Plan, p.10; St.,pp.6,12,20,27-28.) The plan may include collecting the DNA of every animal and /or a retinal scan. The owner will be required to report the birthdate of every animal, the application of every animal's id tag, every time an animal enters or leaves the property, every time an animal loses a tag,every time a tag is replaced, the slaughter or death of an animal, if any animal is missing. These events must be reported within 24 hours. Third parties, like veterinarians, will be required to report sightings of animals. For example, if you have a vet on your property to treat a sick animal, and the vet sees any animal without the mandatory 15-digit computer readable id, the vet will be required to report you. If you do not comply, the USDA will exorcise enforcement against you. The USDA hasn't specified the nature of enforcement as of yet, but it will probably include fines and/or seizing your animals. There are no exeptions-unde this plan you will be forced to register an report even if you raise animlas only for your own food or keep horses for draft or transportation. What you can do: Small scale keepers of poultry and other livestock can take action to create an effective movement in opposition to the USDA plan. First, small scale livestock owners should not participate in any voluntary state or federal program to register farms or animals. The USDA is making farmers willingness to participate in a voluntary program as a justification for making the program mandatory. ( See Plan, Executive Summary and pp.7-8) Small farmers and livestock owners can also help to inform and organize others. The USDA presently does not plan to finalize it's rules for mandatory id until the summer of 2006. There is still time to make your voice heard. Please, sign this petiton and let the USDA know we will not stand for having our right, freedoms, and personal privacy taken away. Thank you. To sign the petition, go to: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/369063795?ltl=1137085376 --^^--- This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?a2i0Yq.a6AySh.bWFyZW5t Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For Topica's complete suite of email marketing solutions visit: http://www.topica.com/?p=TEXFOOTER --^^--- To subscribe send the following email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe send the following email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To contact
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Greetings, Actually we are both quite handy and Garth is gone to work long hours. I was hoping to find a way of doing this job with one person, not 2. That is the real challenge of the farm, how to do things by yourself. If one of us were on the trailer, we could just shovel it onto the ground, no spreader needed. I am sorry, I should have been clearer about the problem. Bright Blessings, Kim At 06:17 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Garth: Are you handy? You could outfit your trailer with a pipe set on pillow block bearings, holes drilled in the pipe with all thread or bolts as tines, and a washing machine pully attached to the pipe and the tire which would provide turning power. Have someone riding in the trailer to shovel the compost into the spreader and off you go! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am aware of manure spreaders, but I am talking about finished compost. 5 tons per acre is not a heavy spread, although it can be hard on the wallet. I only make about a ton a year, so I have to buy the stuff. I will take another look at manure spreaders, but if anyone else has any ideas, I would love to hear them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:51 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Local Mennonites use a machine for spreading composted manure. The machine resembles a trough which has a shaft running horizontally above it with spokes or paddles that rotate into the trough and fling the shit skyward. They liquify the compost first obviously. Nice job eh? Don't wear your best evening gown while doing this! At least I wouldn't ;^ Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Greetings, It is difficult to get compost that is not full of chemicals delivered, I would have to hire a private truck and hope that I don't get a load of caliche with it. They do not tarp the load, so you pay for all the compost that is spread all down the highway, as well. It would arrive by dump truck and be dumped in one big pile, they don't spread anything. I am using my small trailer and had hoped that by using the tilt and a tailgate that can be lifted in increments, that I could just drive the field and have it come off. No such luck. It is bad enough spreading the lime by hand, and no, they do not have equipment that will spread lime at the light rate I am using. Ideas for homestead size equipment are definitely needed, but my brain is already overworked. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:34 PM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Kim Maybe you did this. If you are buying the stuff why not ask if the company has a spreader and will they spread it for you? Won't hurt to ask. Roy Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I am aware of manure spreaders, but I am talking about finished compost. 5 tons per acre is not a heavy spread, although it can be hard on the wallet. I only make about a ton a year, so I have to buy the stuff. I will take another look at manure spreaders, but if anyone else has any ideas, I would love to hear them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:51 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Local Mennonites use a machine for spreading composted manure. The machine resembles a trough which has a shaft running horizontally above it with spokes or paddles that rotate into the trough and fling the shit skyward. They liquify the compost first obviously. Nice job eh? Don't wear your best evening gown while doing this! At least I wouldn't ;^ Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Photos – Showcase holiday pictures in hardcover Photo Books. You design it and we’ll bind it! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Spreading compost
Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Greetings, That is an interesting though, but it has been years since I have seen one. It could be hard to find one, south of the snow line, but perhaps I can find some pictures on the net that will spark ideas. Thanks and Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:22 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Have you ever thought of a salt sanding spreader that people use in snow communities for street sanding. Gregory I. Ocnos -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth Kim Travis Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2006 9:16 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Spreading compost Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Spreading compost
Greetings, I am aware of manure spreaders, but I am talking about finished compost. 5 tons per acre is not a heavy spread, although it can be hard on the wallet. I only make about a ton a year, so I have to buy the stuff. I will take another look at manure spreaders, but if anyone else has any ideas, I would love to hear them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:51 AM 1/11/2006, you wrote: Local Mennonites use a machine for spreading composted manure. The machine resembles a trough which has a shaft running horizontally above it with spokes or paddles that rotate into the trough and fling the shit skyward. They liquify the compost first obviously. Nice job eh? Don't wear your best evening gown while doing this! At least I wouldn't ;^ Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Does anyone have any ideas of how to spread compost at the rate of 5 tons per acre? I mean other than with a shovel or bucket. I do have a tilt trailer, but the compost does not just trickle out the back like I want it to. Also, any easier ideas of how to spread lime at 1000 lbs per acre would be appreciated. Walking around with a scoop and a bucket gets old, real fast. The big trucks won't do less than 5000 lbs per acre and want to do a minimum of 10 acres at a time. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: [PasturedPigs] NAIS letter
Greetings, Please call your representatives, senators and everyone you can. This bill includes cats and dogs. And if you think it is about preventing disease, think about this: All of your food will be microchiped! I do know how hard it is to find those microchips and remove them when you butcher, the emu industry used them. We could all wind up with a pound of microchips in our intestines. Bright Blessings, Kim Worth reading. Worth thinking about. Worth writing about. Worth fighting. Begin forwarded message: From: Laura Haggarty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: January 9, 2006 9:39:31 AM EST Hi all, I got this letter from another email list (with permission to cross-post and use), made a few small modifications, and have sent it to my local newspaper (have already written to my legislators.) I thought you all might want to send it along to yours: Dear Editors, I am writing to ask the Grant County News to publish my letter in order to inform their subscribers about the National Animal Identification System (NAIS) which is currently in its initial stages. This USDA-run program has as its goal the registration of every farm animal (including non-food animals such as horses) in a centralized government database. This program will require micro chipping of each animal (including all forms of poultry), at the expense of the owner, and a premises ID for every farm which will be linked to a satellite photo and Global Positioning System record (see this link for the USDA website about the program: www.usda.gov/nais/) As a hobby farm owner who has horses, goats, and poultry, I strongly oppose the implementation of the NAIS. Agribusiness, specifically The National Institute for Animal Agriculture (NIAA), lobbied the USDA (after 9/11 and subsequent BSE scares) to create the NAIS supposedly to protect U.S. citizens and their animals from diseases. The NIAA is composed primarily of two groups - (1) large corporate producers and (2) the makers and producers of animal ID equipment. In April 2002 a task force composed of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) and over 30 livestock organizations provided leadership in creating the animal identification system. Small-scale farmers involved in animal husbandry, homesteaders, and animal hobbyists were not represented. Language quoted from the Draft Strategic Plan proves this, APHIS then established the National Identification Development Team (NIDT), a joint, State, Federal, and industry group to further advance this effort. Throughout 2003, the NIDT, consisting of approximately 100 animal and livestock industry professionals representing more than 70 associations, organizations, and government agencies, expanded upon the work plan to produce the initial draft of the U.S. Animal Identification Plan (USAIP). (Plan, p. 4) While associations, organizations, etc. may be backing the NAIS, they did not inform their members of this proposed legislation. Chances are the members still have no idea that their freedoms are being given away. I am writing in opposition of the National Animal Identification System because: (1) Should the NAIS become law, we will be forced to pay fees to register our farms and animals. Even with public funding, there will be costs to producers. (Plan, p. 11) (2) We will be forced to report to the national animal records repository within a short-term specified timeframe the birth, death, and loss of identification device, sale, or movement of any animal in our possession. (3) We will be required to report to the national animal records repository when an animal we own attends a livestock show, participates in a trail ride, is transported to another farm for stud service, or takes part in a community parade, etc. (4) Our personal information collected through NAIS could be disclosed - the USDA cannot assure the confidentiality of all the information at the present time. (Plan, p. 15) Financial institutions were not able to keep this information confidential, so it is no surprise that USDA cannot guarantee confidentiality. (5) The NAIS will violate the religious beliefs of minority faith communities by requiring them to become part of this computerized, technology-dependent system or abandon the livestock ownership necessary for their way of life. (Many adherents raise their own food animals and use animals in farming and for transportation. Some, by scriptural teaching, would refuse to take the mark of such a numbering system.) (6) Our livestock would become part of the national herd. (Plan, p. 8) Not only would small farm operators be negatively affected by the NAIS, but this legislation will do serious damage to feed store owners, farm supply houses, hatcheries that sell and ship day-old poultry, and other businesses frequented by farmers. The most common types of meat contamination in the U.S. are the occurrences of pathogens such as Listeria or E. Coli in processed meat. When meat becomes
[Biofuel] Coydog was Cat question
Greetings, Yes, my coydog is my constant companion. She is the most lovable dog I have ever had, but I would not do it again. The amount of time she takes is high. She is a wild animal, and if you treat her as such, you get a very loving animal. Forget the rules for a short period of time, you have a wild animal that can not be tamed again. How long this takes depends on how old the dog is. The first 3 years of Dusty's life, I did not go on vacation. I can leave for a couple weeks now, no problem. There are days that she demands to be in my lap for hours, and I hold her until she feels comfortable again. Dusty is 60 lbs. so this is a challenge. Our cat is half feral as well, according to the vet. He too requires a huge cuddle investment. As far as I can figure them out, the wild and the tame get into a war and it takes hours of cuddles to give the tame side dominance. The hard part was teaching her not to help herself to dinner. Feeding raw has really help with this issue, but guilt manipulation does have a use. Last time she killed something she was not suppose to, I didn't yell at her, I picked up the dead animal and cried like she had killed my first born child. This method worked where nothing else would. Coydogs do make wonderful companion animals but only if you do not work outside the home, can devote endless hours to loving on them and have the patience to pay very close attention to them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:23 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: You house a coydog? All the coydogs ive met have been ill tempered untrustworthy beasts. Is it due to upbringing, or lack of that makes them so? from what i understand about animal personalities is they are similar to humans in how they react to their emotional environment. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half coyote and I almost lost her due to her hunting before I started to feed her raw. Now, she no longer eats what she kills, she brings it to Mom to make sure it is okay before chowing down. On a sustainable farm, trying to establish a sustainable way of life, I feel that the animal feeds should be home grown. I love the change for the better this has caused in my fur family, especially my 10 year old black lab, who is also a rescue. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:57 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: snip I've heard similar stories. Large dogs tend to have a longer life span than small cats, do they not? Seventeen years is a LONG time for an outdoor cat to live. Am I understanding correctly, based upon the outline of your argument, that this constitutes evidence that factory food production for our pets is responsible for the decline in pet longevity? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, I am speaking of the actual fish meat, but when questions the girl who lost her cat was using a tuna cat food, although she swears it looked and tasted just like a can of fish. My cat also eats raw rabbit, chicken and emu, but he does prefer fish. Now I am able to get sardines, in spring water with no smoking, I do give him those. I buy Mackerel for the dogs, but he doesn't like it. Sir Kitty Kitty is 13, a rescue at age 2 whom was so badly starved that at first I thought he was a pregnant female, the bloat was so bad. We have had him on distilled water for over 10 years now since our well has a high salt content. I would love him to live till at least 20. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:45 AM 12/5/2005, you wrote: I assume your talking about the actual fish meat, not some processed catfood called tuna which may or may actually include real fish. I'm not sure where a tuna would get ash, living out in the ocean. Now, tuna does have alot of mercury, due to being high up on the food chain -- look at the FDA recommendations for pregnant women and eating certain fish. I do know that we never fed our cats dry dogfood, because it was alleged to have ash added as a mineral source, which wasn't good for cats' kidneys. On 12/5/05, bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: robert luis rabello wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned or fresh. Have you ever heard of this and is it true? My cats favorite food is tuna, so I am very worried. I feed my cats Science Diet. Before getting the two I now own, my last kitty, a faithful and affectionate companion for her whole life, lived 16 years. She was an outdoor cat who tangled with rattlesnakes, raccoons and poisoned mice! The two I have now are very young, but they thrive on this kind of commercial cat food. at no small cost I might add. But is the extra cost (science diet) justified? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Thanks Mary Lyn, I too feed a variety, but mine comes from whatever we are butchering on the farm. Sir Kitty Kitty is a picky eater. He will not eat pork, goat, or catfish. No offal, no matter what animal it came from. Eggs only with cottage cheese, etc. However, I have found that if I insist he eat something, like store bought ground beef, he immediately brings it back up. The starvation did take its toll and he is missing some teeth, from nutritional deprevations. Thank you for making me feel better, I will continue to give him the occasional can of tuna, just not too much. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:48 AM 12/5/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim I do give my cats tuna but I give them such a variety of foods and it's rarely ever just straight. Right now, at least 2 of my clients are avid hunters, and I have a freezer full of venison .. just about all the stew meat and ground meat that has come from at least 4 deer .. I'm not a hunter but I do feed raw so I say thank you. I have a butcher within 8 miles that has begun to use all the trim from all their cuts of meats .. chicken necks, chicken backs and wings (ground bones and all) cryo packaged and sold as pet food .. beef (muscle, and all organs meats available - heart, tongue, liver, kidney), pork, lamb, and once or twice some buffalo and some goat. I buy up packages of whatever he has .. the pork was a great success. A deer processor that I pass almost daily will also sell the ground up trim by the case load (about 5 pounds per package in the case), but he also allows anyone to dig through his bone barrel and take what they want. .. these processors PAY the rendering companies to take away their waste .. that's the trim and the bones. The more we take, the less they pay. I like one of the processors better than another because he cuts most of his bones into smaller pieces and I have given my cats some of the softer rib bones. Most of them (I have 5) chew happily away. I raw feed my dogs and my cats .. also .. ground up green tripe (a bit hard on the human that has to smell it) is considered an almost perfect food for dogs (my cats just sniff it) but a great many people in Europe and it's catching on here. I buy it from a kennel who buys by the truck load .. hundreds of pounds at a time .. and pay something like $1.00 a pound. There is no reason the cats wouldn't eat it .. but cats being cats do make up their own minds about these things. If you stop to think about it, fish would not be a daily diet of most wild cats. Some would probably go their lifetime without ever tasting it. Only those who had territories around rivers and lakes and had learned how to become successful fisher cats (or dogs) Tuna, usually being a deep water fish would probably never been on their menu. Mine have had tuna, salmon, fluke, pike, and trout .. but they have also had pizza, meatloaf, and egg salad .. plus bits out of my can of sardines with olives in olive oil on crackers. I personally like sardines and eat a can a couple times a week. What I don't finish, I mix up on a little plate and pour the remaining oil over the top. The result of this action generally leaves me no room to move my feet. My cats are pretty much free fed .. I'm out of the house so much .. I couldn't tell you who eats what, but they are all good weight, with soft shining fur .. bright eyes with an absolute minimum of fleas and ticks .. which isn't bad for indoor/outdoor cats. A couple of plates are put down twice a day .. when I come back home, if there's any left (it is raw) I throw out. Later in the evening, a second feeding is put down and I generally go to work on the computer so, once again, I don't really see who's eating what. My 2 older ladies of the caninine class are a bit competitive over food, so when their food goes down, I stand in the middle and wait. .. they also have all all the fish mentioned plus the pizza etc .. along with bagels and cream cheese. .. another non-natural diet. Mary Lynn Mary Lynn Schmidt ONE SPIRIT ONE HEART TTouch . Animal Behavior Modification . Behavior Problems . Ordained Minister . Pet Loss Grief Counseling . Radionics . Dowsing . Nutrition . Homeopathy . Herbs. . Polarity . Reiki . Spiritual Travel The Animal Connection Healing Modalities http://members.tripod.com/~MLSchmidt/ From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2005 12:06:01 -0600 Greetings, Thank you for a wonderful post. I am fortunate that I found a country vet that treats my animals my way, and no vaccinations. [My cat is allergic to them.] My animals eat raw and have recovered from all their diseases and are now healthy. My vet actually learned from this and is recommending raw to patients he think will listen. I daily count my blessings. The question I have is about the theory of tuna
Re: [Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, Actually 20 to 25 is closer to normal for a cat to live except in case of accident. I have a friend whose old cat is now 28, but he is old. Animals that live in the wild and dine on the sick and diseased prey, do sometimes die from what made their prey sick. One of my dogs is half coyote and I almost lost her due to her hunting before I started to feed her raw. Now, she no longer eats what she kills, she brings it to Mom to make sure it is okay before chowing down. On a sustainable farm, trying to establish a sustainable way of life, I feel that the animal feeds should be home grown. I love the change for the better this has caused in my fur family, especially my 10 year old black lab, who is also a rescue. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:57 PM 12/5/2005, you wrote: snip I've heard similar stories. Large dogs tend to have a longer life span than small cats, do they not? Seventeen years is a LONG time for an outdoor cat to live. Am I understanding correctly, based upon the outline of your argument, that this constitutes evidence that factory food production for our pets is responsible for the decline in pet longevity? robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Cat question was Re: Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, Thank you for a wonderful post. I am fortunate that I found a country vet that treats my animals my way, and no vaccinations. [My cat is allergic to them.] My animals eat raw and have recovered from all their diseases and are now healthy. My vet actually learned from this and is recommending raw to patients he think will listen. I daily count my blessings. The question I have is about the theory of tuna and cats. The theory is that there is an excess amount of ash in tuna and that it can cause renal failure in middle aged cats. It is not suppose to make any difference if it was canned or fresh. Have you ever heard of this and is it true? My cats favorite food is tuna, so I am very worried. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 PM 12/3/2005, you wrote: I tend to lay low .. I'll talk theory with anyone but I rarely stand up and state that I DO THAT!! I'm a practitioner of many alternative healing modalities and work mostly on animals .. but the majority of modalities cross species lines easily (herbs can be iffy). If a modality works on animals and infants, you can be sure that it works because the placebo effect just doesn't work with them .. you can't convince a dog he's getting well with a sugar pill. Because of what I do, for protection, I became an ordained minister in a healing ministry about 10 years ago .. and I'm also on various other lists that deal in areas of my interests. If I have cancer, I will take herbs and smear that infamous black salve on my body .. but I know the ingredients, I can make it my self, but (it's easier) if I purchase it at cost from another group member. If I have an infection I will be taking CS Colloidal Silver (home made - low ppm - with only distilled water). I know when to mix it with DMSO or MSM and why. I also know that Urine (your own) works better and faster, both internally and externally for an extremely long, single spaced, double sided, list of conditions and dis-eases. I also believe it's better for me to run for my life if ever mandatory, forced vaccinations becomes law .. and they are working on that one. Right now the World Health Organization is walking into African villages with armed escorts and forcing the villages into lines for vaccinations .. this isn't some sort of talk of the crazies .. it's real. Over the years I have watched the powers that be in various positions of power, lobby effectively, and have laws passed that have closed down companies that make various herbal remedies .. .. and at present, the herbalist from the former Alpha and Omega, is serving 3 years in jail and has given up his right to ever work in his field again. Financial constraints limited his ability to fight against a unlimited budget for the prosecution. The interesting thing about Alpha and Omega, is their products worked and worked well and they never made any medical claim about their own products. They did publish pages after pages of personal testimonies from people who had used their products. .. also another interesting thing is that the site is still up, the testimonies are still there, the products are still being sold .. but they no longer work .. .. it is suspected by those of us who are paranoid that those who financed the legal action against Alpha and Omega have taken over the daily operations of the company and are preceding as before against the unsuspecting just to prove that it doesn't work. In my state, it is presently illegal for me to even touch a dog (even at the expressed wish of the owner) unless I am approved by a vet .. laws have been passed that give all the power over the health affairs of an animal to licensed veterinarians .. these include chiropractic, acupuncture, massage .. even Telepathic Animal Communication .. as if 99.9% vets even had a clue about that one. I no longer charge for what I do .. I charge for my time. Another healing practitioner and I have started an Animal Kinship ministry .. we meet once a month and our service includes a guest speaker followed by .. something .. a short prayer .. an animal blessing .. We also ask a donation at the door to cover any fee our speaker my require and to pay a small rent on our facility. We are now covered under a 501C (non-profit status) and are allowed to actually pay ourselves a salary .. although we haven't reached a level were our salary exceeds our gas and mileage. I absolutely never expected that I'd end up actually preaching but we have reached such a critical point that it seems to be the only way I won't ultimately end up in jail. Keith is doing it right by publishing exactly the what and how in making biodiesel .. he's not holding back information, he isn't making it to sell .. and although I'd think that he does, also I'm a late arrival to the list .. I'd have to check but I think less than a year .. I don't believe I've ever read that he does make his own. Pat is doing it right by publishing exactly what the ingredients are that go
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Greetings, So does JTF, I have given money to them. There is a difference between a voluntary donation and a manditory charge to be a member. I do support many of the organizations that I work with but when I choose to. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:16 AM 12/4/2005, you wrote: Moveon.org also solicits funding. My family has given them money. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Kim, You wrote: I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone
Re: [Biofuel] Lay low in the high grass
Greetings, I do believe that your kind of spreading the word is what we need. I think it is the talking to those on Capital Hill, face to face that is dangerous. I am not Keith, but I learned way back when that telling the truth and trying to get legislation to be reasonable doesn't work. That was a different time and a different country, but I have seen the same crap happen here. Those who support the status quo just destroyed the Brazos Literacy Volunteers of America to the point where it no longer exists. Unfortunately, they took down 8 small town groups with them. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Hello All, My father-in-law, a diesel mechanic, has helped me build a BD processor, travelled with me from NY to Florida to get an clean, old Mercedes that just loves BD. He is a wonderful man. We differ in opinion on one particular point re: biodiesel. He says: Lay low in the high grass. I say: Spread the word, change the world. I just retired after teaching high school biology for 32 years. I was asked to come back, sort of as a guest speaker. I got to spend two days w. former students, now taking AP Biology. I demonstrated the basic idea of making biodiesel 1L in a PET bottle saw the glycerine split had bd as diff. stages of wash and showed that the bd I made in class wash poor quality (didn't pass the wash test). This was enthusiastically received, ... much discussion, and I left them with the assurance that I would come back to the chem. class when they knew about titration and were doing the organic chem unit. My car's license plate is BD 100. I talk to friends, acquaintences, or any one who expresses an interest in bd or any alternate energy system. I've had a few tours of my processing setup. Several recent posts seem to be suggesting that we lay low and expand as a underground force. I just am interested in the views of other list members. i.e. Do we lay low, or spread the word'? Thanks, Tom ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Greetings, I am sorry you took offence, but many good grass roots based things have happened without someone getting a full time paycheck out of it. For starters, we have legal raw milk dairies in Texas. If you are planning on creating yourself a job with everyone's funds, please have the honesty to say so and tell us what you consider a reasonsable salary. A list of qualification would also be appreciated. I am not sure that anyone who snipes at honest questions is what we need to front such a movement, but I may have caught you on a bad day. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:22 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: Jeez, you're right! How simple! I wanted the money for myself! Let's see, I am sure we can get someone to head down to Washington DC and lobby to counter the well-paid lobbyists of the Big Oil companies! And just anyone will do, they don't need to know anything or anyone. Exxon is wasting is money with their lobbyists, as I am sure you can tell by the last energy bill. There really is no point in actually meeting with the members of congress face to face and explain to them and their staff what's going on when we can bombard Washington with postcards! And I will get right on that free phone from Verizon, so that when people or the media or congress calls there will be an actual person to answer it. May I forward the calls to you, and can you promise to be available pretty much 9-5? Thanks! I've also been innundated with offers of free domain, web and email hosting, none of which takes even a second to manage. It just runs itself! Actually, just in the time I've been writing this, several well-reasoned articles and BD safety guidlines have written themselves, edited themselves, and hopped right up on the website. Which, by the way, is not down due to technical problems, hackers or too many hits. But I guess somehow people will just find the Yahoo group if they are looking for BD info. There are always people like you assuming everyone else will shoulder the financial burden. I've been consulting in and working the non-profit area for 20 years. I know what happens to an organization when there is no funding. It dies. Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Greetings, If you are watching what is happening on the pesticide testing on children, forum, yes, we are making a big difference. In Texas, we now have legal raw milk, due to such campaignes. Move on is an organization that gets the people out to write to congress and it is working. When enough people write letters, the congressmen get worried about re-election. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:52 AM 12/3/2005, you wrote: Kim, You wrote: I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Has bombarding Washington w. postcards been an effective way of steering national policy in a direction you are comfortable with? Tom - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 3:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else registered on the site as well. Comments? Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Greetings, While I am not Keith, I have discovered that the rotation depends on what I need to accomplish. for example: Did I make the mistake of feeding hay in one place too long when it was wet? Then I need to pound some rebar holes, fill them with corn and turn the pigs in for a few days, followed by the chickens to level the ground and to clean up the weed seeds, so I can replant. Are parasites a problem? Grazing cows then sheep next on the same pasture can help. Micro climate plays a huge role in planning what goes when and where. Think of it as a giant jig saw puzzle that Mother Nature occasionally stirs up. You will never be bored. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:46 AM 12/2/2005, you wrote: Hello, Keith, I suspected that diversity was necessary with the animals if it is necessary for plants and soil. Any particular rotations or combinations work best? Thanks for the benefit of your experience and knowledge. I also applaud your amazing dexerity. Milking compost worms is really difficult. :- Tom From: Keith Addison [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:59:13 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming Quick question. Can the animals just be earthworms or are rumanants required? Tom Irwin Hello Tom I spent 20 years trying to get earthworms to stand in for a cow, and failed. And I really hated the milk! Sorry, just kidding... (But I've eaten wormburger, very good!) Well, okay, it would probably take a lot longer than that to prove it, but by that time there wasn't much hope that it could work and a lot of indication that it wouldn't. Scant hope in the first place. I'm afraid earthworms are to be counted on the receiving side, along with all the soil micro-organisms, not among the ruminants, they do a different job. Or a different part of the same job. I don't think it's confined to ruminants though, I reckon grazing should be biodiverse, like the grasses are and the soil bugs. Maybe the more biodiverse it is the fewer ruminants you need in the mix. Also it involves composting as well, and if you're an artful composter it doesn't much matter what kind of manure you use. Lots of variables to juggle with. If you add earthworms at the composting stage, or rather manure worms, you can get a lot more options, but I think that's about as far back in the process as earthworms go. I wish I could find the reference, I've got it somewhere (on paper!), but it seems Europe's main grazing animal is the vole. Voles eat more grass than anything else does. They have to be playing an important overall role but they sure aren't ruminants. I never managed to get hold of any vole dung to experiment with and there's not a lot of literature on the role of the vole and how long the pasture will last yer. Best Keith snip ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel as a wood stain
Greetings, The only wood preservative I have found to be worth the trouble is raw linseed oil, applied by the old rule of: once a day for a week, once a week for a month, once a month for a year, once a year for life. With this, wood will stand up to Texas, sun, termites and all. If biodiesel can do a better job with less applications, I would be a very happy camper. May I suggest coating a piece of wood and setting it on a termite pile? To me, that would be a good test of it. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:53 PM 12/1/2005, you wrote: Hello all, I just did some testing of biodiesel as a wood stain. I used oak as the base wood and applied a coat of Bio. The color was as pretty as can be if you like natural wood with out shadowing enhancements deep in the pore structure. It is a deep penetrator as compared to other stains. The best part is it was dry in equal time and it was coatable with a high grade polyurethane topcoat. I think one could add pigments if you wanted enhanced colors and the solvent based stain pigments will mix readily with the BD. Be sure to go to the trouble of washing it out close to neutral Ph before use as a wood stain. I do wonder if you were to use ths as a preservative if it wouldn't be better to actualy leave it as basic as possible? any thoughts? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles?
Greetings, I am trying to understand why you feel the need to have people pay to be a member of an advocacy group. I am a member of several and the membership is asked to pay for the postcards we bombard Washington with. Something as simple as a yahoo group that only the management can post messages on, will work. Any time there is a problem, the membership gets out the postage and starts to mail the appropriate postcard to the proper people. What is the money for? Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:15 PM 12/2/2005, you wrote: All kidding aside, do the members of this list think the idea of an advocacy group to defend BD has merit, and more importantly would anyone pay to be a member? -Mike Doug Turner wrote: Hi Mike, Just waiting for the movie, Attack of the Grease People. It's bound to be a cult classic. Doug - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 10:48 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] US Guvmint to tax alternate fuel vehicles? Nah, when it comes it'll be from two directions: The trap grease people will get together as soon as they really start feeling the bite from home-brewers, and get legislation passed that declares WVO dangerous and in need of special handling. This will require fairly expensive equipment and insurance the average home-brewer can't afford. There will be a few high profile lawsuits and we'll get the message and give up. This will probably be aided and abetted by Big Oil, who will get in bed with or just buy out the grease people. Oh, they'll find someone somewhere who has injured himself making BD and trumpet it all over the place. The logical thing to do would be for the homebrewers to organize now and set up an organization to counter this. Everyone will be in favor of it, but no one will be willing to part with 50.00 for dues. United we could stand, divided we'll fall. When Biodiesel is outlawed, only outlaws will make Biodiesel Mike been living in Washington DC for too long Weaver Joe Street wrote: I'm just wondering what people on this list think they will do if the winds of change blow cold on the home brew community? Suppose at some point your government decides to take strong action to discourage or prevent you from making your own fuel. I know that collectively there are a lot of us but we are spread pretty thin here and there around the planet. Solidarity amongst home brewers I'm sure doesn't account for a huge influence in any particular country or region at this point. I'm sure any of us who have invested the time, money and effort to be doing what we are doing will be more than just disappointed if legislation is enacted in favor of big energy suppliers to the detriment of our sustainability and environmental ideals. But what can we do though? I feel I am very fortunate because in my case, since I work at a university which supports my research into alternative energy solutions, I can claim I am driving a research vehicle which affords me quite a bit of latitude as far as this issue is concerned. I am just wondering if a possible solution to this potential problem might be for people like myself to create some sort of registry so that I can claim not only that I drive a research vehicle but that it is part of a worldwide fleet of such vehicles thereby strengthening not only my case but also that of everyone else registered on the site as well. Comments? Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Oh I thought from the previous post it meant that taxed fuel is dyed. So then on a spot inspection how is anyone to know if you are using taxed fuel or home brew anyways? (assuming it is not B100 which could be identified by smell alone) Why worry about it then? I doubt if many (bio)diesel car owners worry about it at all. Diesel car owners are such small pickins next to a company running a fleet of trucks that I've never seen or even heard of someone being tested. I know a number of them who regularly use heating oil or K1 (with the dye) in their cars without concern. I don't do it because to it's not worth saving thirty cents a gallon if it means having to drain it out of the tank in 5 gallon buckets and pour it into the car. It's nice to know I have the reserve though. Biodiesel is attractive for other reasons; I wouldn't save enough money in a long time to make it worthwhile financially. --- David Joe David Miller wrote: Joe Street wrote: Why not just add some of the dye yourself ..doh! Because here in the states they put the dye in the untaxed fuel (HHO, K1), not in the stuff that's taxed. So adding dye would be a way of saying that you didn't pay taxes on fuel that you actually had. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing
[Biofuel] off topic
Greetings, An unusual day, something positive on my email with out a price tag. Fun to look at if nothing else. Bright Blessings, Kim http://www.gogratitude.com/masterkey/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] One ton of brush and untreated wood
Greetings, I could sure use it to help my compost pile, which makes my fields more fertile then I can grow more veggies to collect the oil from. Bright Blessings, Kim in Texas At 02:03 AM 11/28/2005, you wrote: I have the opportunity to receive no less than one ton of brush and untreated wood on a regular basis. How could this be used in the production of bio fuels? I am in Minneapolis, and willing to work with others in the area. -Matthew Matthew J. Harmon ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Household electricity consumption questions, remarks, and theorizing.
Greetings, I have looked at the web sites and didn't find much help, for us. We did borrow a watt meter and figure out where we were using energy and that allowed us to make cuts. We found that learning all about our microclimate and building to take advantage of it saves us the most energy. General strategies will only get you so far, the specifics of where you live and how you live will mean more. For example, since I work from home, I can use a sprinkler system on my metal roof for over 50% of my cooling. I open and close windows and heavy drapes to regulate temperatures naturally. This allows us not to turn on the AC unit till much later in the year than our neighbors that both work in town. This is important in Texas, but in Edmonton, Canada where we used to live, someone home was still important. We still had heavy drapes and in the winter opened them for solar gain during daylight hours and closed them again to help keep the heat in on those long cold nights. Many areas of the country can do without AC, if they have an axillary kitchen outside. Paying to heat and cool your home at the same time doesn't make much sense. Much of what we live with, our neighbors can't stand. For example the relative humidity in the place. They all run their AC units to get it down to 30%. We were used to paying to run our humidifier to raise it to 50% in Canada, so we find we like our home with much higher humidity. My point is, that personal comfort is the place to start looking at. Listing what you can live with and live without are great starting places to design an energy efficient life that works for you. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:34 AM 11/21/2005, you wrote: Have a look at http://www.energymonitor.com/ for starters Darryl McMahon wrote: Michael, you have had some good responses already. I have added some thoughts below. Michael Nehring wrote: Hi all, In about 8 months or so, I and my (future) wife will buy our first house. One of my goals is to have a relatively high level of energy self-sufficiency (without going bankrupt since we currently don't have a ton of cash lying around). First question: does anyone know of any charts/statistics of household energy consumption. I'm not so much interested in kilowatthours per day, but rather how the usage is divided up. This will make it easier to plan what areas typically need to be improved. Unfortunately, the answer is, it depends. I am presuming that you are looking primarily at electrical energy consumption, rather than overall energy consumption. Electrical energy consumption is strongly related to which electrical appliances you plan to use. There are all-electric houses which will have very high electrical consumption, and the off-grid minimalist home that will have very low electrical consumption, and the whole range in-between. (There are also homes that have no electricity, but I gather that is not a lifestyle you are looking to embrace. So, what do you plan to power electrically? Heating? AC? Cooking? Hot water? Refrigerator? Freezer? Washer? Dryer? Television? Sound system? Computer(s)? Fax machines or other office equipment? Electric vehicles? (They're a factor in our household.) Personally, I'm a big fan of low-tech solar thermal approaches to displacing fossil fuel and electrical energy consumption where appropriate. As part of your house hunting, are you considering the sun-facing exposure of the houses, and the potential for using solar energy to displace other energy use? On another note, have any of you guys already looked at this: http://mtbest.net/chest_fridge.html. It's a fridge that uses only .1 kw-hours/day (that's around 37 per year, and at $.1/kWh, that's less than $4 year if you're on the grid). The idea is surprisingly simple. Chest fridges are definitely an interesting option. So are non-electrical and seasonal cooling fridges. There is a refrigeration alternatives list on Yahoo you might want to have a look at for some other ideas. Another question: does anyone know how many kilowatt hours are stored in a normal car battery (a battery for a standard sedan, I suppose)? I've been thinking about hooking an inverter up to a car battery (or probably an array) to power various devices in the house. However, I don't know how much power is actually in a fully charged battery. Here would be one idea to charge the batteries: I just install a few extra alternators in my car, and have those charge the batteries which would be stored in the trunk. Assuming the car is running biodiesel, then the electricity would be produced by biodiesel. Does the idea sound reasonable? Or does it have too many drawbacks and pitfalls? Are there other 12V batties that are better designed for household-type uses? (12V so that I can charge it with an alternator, since I have a few alternators lying around, and can get them for
[Biofuel] Electric eraser was: Still looking for a cheap TEFC motor
Greetings, Thank you so much for this idea. I do have an electric eraser and it certainly is much quieter that the drill for small test batches. I will inform Garth he needs a new rod that is the right size for his stirrer, then I can stand being home while he plays. Last night Garth titrated his first batch of used oil. Extremely well defined separation with one hour. Progress is happening. We have 2.5 fifty five gallon drums of used oil to use up, so I am hoping for real production soon. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:43 AM 10/26/2005, you wrote: I don't know about a TEFC motor but while on the subject I thought I would throw in an idea for a really low cost stirrer I built that was too easy. It may be too light for large batches but is perfect for 30 liters or maybe more. I picked up some surplus electric pencil erasers. A 1/4 inch shaft fits perfectly where the eraser rod used to fit. Tap the end of the shaft with a 4-40 thread and put a plastic model boat prop on. I use this for mixing methoxide (stainless rod) all the time. It is a very quiet motor :-) Joe I wonder if someone could provide some assistance. Is it in fact a TEFC motor? What sort of HP are we talking about? Could I disassemble the pump and use the motor to drive my planned stir biodiesel process? ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Google laugh
Greetings, This one gave me a good morning laugh, so I thought I would share. Bright Blessings, Kim Go to google and type in miserable failure and hit the I'm feeling lucky button. It is too funny to where it takes you! http://www.google.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] atkins
Greetings, Yes, some people do experience a temporary loss of weight on Atkins, but everyone I saw try it, lost their health as well. When they went back to eating normally, they ballooned worse than before. Typical diet stuff. Permanent weight loss is achieved by lifestyle change. Focus on a healthier lifestyle and the weight loss comes with the territory. This avoids the yoyo effect of diets, the feeling deprived of good things as well as the wasted money on fads. It does take longer, but like all good things, it lasts longer too. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:40 AM 10/6/2005, you wrote: John, I'm certainly not an expert. However, your comments are forcing me to ask whether people actually experienced results with Atkins or if this is an extremely well conducted campaign of misinformation. What about the Peter Jennings report and the movie supersize me (for example). Is the fast food link to obesity more closely related to the stuff around the meat (i.e. the bun, etc.)? Either way, I'm not a candidate for the Atkins diet simply because of my colesterol level. Mike John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Redler wrote: I don't totally disagree but, compared to what? Atkins has made it abundantly clear to the public in the US that refined carbohydrates are one of the most threatening foods to someone fighting obesity. However, Atkins was a quack. Very low carbohydrate ketogenic diets may certainly help some people lose weight, but the Aktins approach has some serious problems, most notably, the exacerbation of atherogenic dyslipidemia in some subjects. Some TinFoilHat types have suggested his family refused an autopsy and had his body cremated to destroy any evidence in cardiovascular disease. Certainly, there is real science behind VLCK diets, but the claims advanced by Atkins were more about selling books and merchandise than improving diets and fighting obesity. But also be aware that some of the skeptics greatly overstate their case too. For example, atkinsexposed.com claim a 2003 review of Atkins theories in JACN concluded: When properly evaluated, the theories and arguments of popular low carbohydrate diet books... rely on poorly controlled, non-peer-reviewed studies, anecdotes and non-science rhetoric. This review illustrates the complexity of nutrition misinformation perpetrated by some popular press diet books. A closer look at the science behind the claims made for [these books] reveals nothing more than a modern twist on an antique food fad. Now here's the interesting part - compare that quote to the original from http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/22/1/9 When properly evaluated, the theories and arguments of popular low carbohydrate diet books like the Zone rely on poorly controlled, non-peer-reviewed studies, anecdotes and non-science rhetoric. This review illustrates the complexity of nutrition misinformation perpetrated by some popular press diet books. A closer look at the science behind the claims made for the Zone Diet reveals nothing more than a modern twist on an antique food fad. Talk about misrepresentation by selective quotation! Still, I'd be very very skeptical of any claims made by Aktins, Mercola, Ornish, Sears, and others who want to sell you a book. jh -- John E Hayes, M.S. Instructor, Dietetics Program, DIET 203 / DIET 215 Doctoral Student, Nutritional Sciences University of Connecticut - 326 Koons Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] / 860.486.0007 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!!
Greetings, Where in East Texas? I am having trouble finding methanol at a reasonable price. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:24 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: I am in East Texas, and I can buy a 55 gal drum of methonal for $110. That's $2.00/gal. This is the guy that supplies the race track guys. $5.00/gal sure sounds expensive. I already bought jut 5 gal for a guy here for just $2.50/gal. So I think you can do better if you shop around. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rodgers Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 3:09 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Congrats I too need to find methanol however since I am terrible with numbers and I have as yet not made the strides you have in creating a test batch, I am unclear how much methanol would be needed for say 20 gallons per week of finished biodiesel? I can see from this group and at the JTF web site it does depend on the quality of WVO, nevertheless, I would like a ball park figure so I can better picture what I will need to become more self sufficient. Sincerely, Brian Rodgers On 10/3/05, Jason Schick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in Phoenix, AZ and Western States Petroleum sells it in bulk for 2.67/gal. They are a petroleum distributor. I imagine you can find similar businesses around. Jason -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Zeke Yewdall Sent: Monday, October 03, 2005 10:03 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] SUCCESS!! Apparently around here you can buy methanol from the pump at the local race course -- the race cars use it for fuel. It's around $5/gallon or so I think. If you can find any race car people in your area, they may know where to get it. Zeke On 10/3/05, ReZn0r [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bobby, Congratulations!!! The first step exciting isn®t it?? ;-) Con fecha lunes, 03 de octubre de 2005, 15:56:14, escribiste: BC OK, so my first test batch was a success! I am now thinking of scaling up, BC but I need to find a cheaper supply of methanol. Any suggestions? BC Thanks, BC Bobby Clark BC ___ BC Biofuel mailing list BC Biofuel@sustainablelists.org BC http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org BC Biofuel at Journey to Forever: BC http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html BC Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): BC http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Un Saludo, ReZn0rmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct
Greetings, Except in areas of high humidity where mold and mildew are your worst enemies. There are no 'one size fits all' solutions. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:30 AM 10/4/2005, you wrote: The most sensible solution for sustainable home heating is Geothermal Heat. Terry Dyck From: Darryl McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Supplemental Heat by BD or byproduct Date: Tue, 04 Oct 2005 09:55:19 -0400 Kurt Nolte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/3/05, Paul S Cantrell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: iI live near Charleston, SC USA about 40 miles from the coast,/i so it gets cold for a few weeks or a couple of months depending on your definition of cold. Anyway heating season is about November to March and natural gas prices are through the roof. I'm really keen on what you find out as a solution here, too. I'm also an SC-er, Upstate, near Clemson/Anderson. Similar scenario, centralized heating with a forced air natural gas furnace in the basement, and we're staring an estimated two grand in heating costs for the winter. (Wide open house. Dumb idea when it freezes regularly during the winter. Heating all that airspace sucks up the gas. x.x) So if you get suggestions or ideas, please share? I'll be keeping an ear out myself and send some your way if I hear them. I can only assume these are large homes. I live in Ottawa, Canada. South Carolina is where our snowbirds go in the winter to get away from the cold. My annual natural gas heating bill, including hot water, is about Cdn$600, approximately US$500. It is a reasonably small house though. Heating season here is October to May. (But it's getting shorter courtesy of global warming.) I have some tips for you on reducing you heating bill. http://www.econogics.com/en/natgas.htm You should also visit Hakan's site at http://www.energysavingnow.com/ Darryl McMahon -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye
Greetings, Apparently Lowe's carries lye in a 2 lb package for around $7. I am sorry, but I have not paid much attention since I buy my lye in bulk from Boyer Corporation, Their KOH is 99% pure. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:48 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Can soapmaking suppliers offer ready alternatives? Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
Greetings, For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Oops. I want to use it as my BD reactor. I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
Greetings, Our favorite it raw milk in ziplock 1 gallon bags that read: Not for human consumption. If you are willing to jump through the hoops, you can be legal here, but lots of people still sell milk with the label for animals. It is much cheaper to produce. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:55 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: There is a cheesemaker that sells a raw sheepsmilk cheese that is to die for. But since she cannot legally sell raw milk cheeses of any kind she calls it Catfood. Best damn catfood I ever tried. She has aged cheeses that are great too. Made locally and taste unbeleiveable. Sorry, no source on a pasturizer though. fred On 10/3/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, For once Texas has healthy laws, we have legal raw milk dairies. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:26 AM 10/3/2005, you wrote: Oops. I want to use it as my BD reactor. I prefer raw milk but it is illegal here! Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Food Grade Lye
Greetings, Here is where snowdrift farms get theirs, http://www.boyercorporation.com/index.html Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:30 PM 10/3/2005, you wrote: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C5C861.B44732B8 here is a link to a soapmaking website where you can by better quality sodium hydroxide than Red Devil. soap makers just trow away the biodiesel. http://www.snowdriftfarm.com/ mel ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye
Greetings, This has been discussed at length on the soap making lists, and yes, it is true. There is still some stock out, but they discontinued making the Lye in May. Bright Blessings, Kim At 01:52 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote: I asked my local True Value Hardware guy about Red Devil Lye being discontinued. He said he's heard it before and that he doesn't think it's true. I did buy his last two bottles, tho' ;-) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Killing animals- graphic was Re: New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Greetings, So far I have not had a steer to kill. We lost our expected calf last February, so it will be next April before I have calves on the ground. However, we do kill pigs, lamb, chicken and rabbits, with the occasional goat. I did put a steer out of it's misery on the highway in front of our place, but it was not mine. The floor had given way on somebodies trailer on the way to the sale barn and he lost 3 yearlings. I dislike doing the rabbits, but we have been doing them for 1.5 years now. I do find it much easier with 2 of us. I keep the rabbits in their normal cages and just pull them out one at a time. It takes a couple of minutes to walk to our killing area, so I have time to cuddle the rabbit, and commune with it. I do carefully explain that staying still will prevent any additional pain and the rabbits do cooperate with us. We use a 5 pound short handled sledge and make sure we hit the rabbit just where the backbone meets the head. A wooden board over a very firm surface is required. If done correctly, one hit is all it takes. As far as we have been able to find out, this is the most humane manner to kill rabbits. If anyone knows a better way that will not poison the food we eat, I am open to suggestions. We have a problem with using chemicals to kill, since I am already chemically sensitive. The whole point of having the farm is to have clean, healthy food. A few years ago I read a study from Japan on killing chickens and what was the most humane way to do so. The study discovered that chopping it's head off was not the least painful method, but a broken neck was better. Since then, we have made it a habit to twist the head and break the neck even though it does not bleed the bird out as well. I assume you are aware that water at 160 - 165F is the perfect temperature for removing feathers. Boiling water will set the feathers and make them very difficult to get out. For the pigs, we do use the shotgun from behind the ear. I found out the hard way that my 380 will not drop a pig in one shot, despite what the gun salesman said. I was furious with him for that! The 380 works well for lamb and goat. Our animals are always moved away from the others for killing. Most of them die with their mouths full, chewing contentedly on a treat. We can pet all the animals that were born on our farm, and most of the ones we brought in. They are used to us handling them and moving them around so we cause no fear when killing time comes. We do talk to them and tell them what is coming, thank them for their life energies, and spend time with them first. You can taste the difference in the meat of an animals that go peacefully into the freezer. We do not kill anything that we have no need to kill. If a snake is a pest, we change our routine to pick up the eggs earlier and the snake goes and finds other things to eat. We have found that the snakes keep the mice and rat population down, so we live with the snakes. We have no children on the premises, ever. We have even found a use for the fire ants, so unless they are dinning on us, we don't kill them either. The one exception is cockroaches in the house, and I am sorry, but I can't stand them. We changed to this standard of not killing anything about 10 years ago and it has worked well for us. My husband does occasionally forget and kills a few grasshoppers, but by never killing the spiders, they have not been as much of a problem as they were. I hope you find something in all of this that is helpful. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:48 PM 9/28/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim, A Tibetan Rinpoche visiting Synergia Ranch in Santa Fe once, was told of a gopher infestation in the fruit orchard, and asked something about the morals of killing, since noisemakers had not worked. His reply: Rodent infestations must be dealt with. It was pretty clear he had no qualms about exterminating them. He also ate meat for the same reasons as the Dalai Lama. Yes, rabbits are really hard. So far, i've been copping out by giving them away. Just how, exactly, do you kill your steers? Thanks, Andres On 9/27/05, Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, I too kill my own animals, we put their names on the package of meat and remember them when we eat them, giving thanks for their life energies. Even the Dali Lama is only vegetarian half the time, as the stress of traveling weakens him too much on a strict vegetarian diet. Many of us get sick not eating meat. Now, I am not saying that I need a 16 ounce steak for dinner every night, and I do not eat factory farmed meat, cause that will make me sick, too. For some of us, we see the spiritual connection between the animal and ourselves, when we eat it, and treat the whole thing in a spiritual manner. I talk to my animals and thank them for their life energies before I kill them. I wish them a longer and happier life in their next incarnation, and they stay very calm, stand still and let me kill them. Chickens
Re: [Biofuel] New question on oil seed crops and ley farming
Greetings, I too kill my own animals, we put their names on the package of meat and remember them when we eat them, giving thanks for their life energies. Even the Dali Lama is only vegetarian half the time, as the stress of traveling weakens him too much on a strict vegetarian diet. Many of us get sick not eating meat. Now, I am not saying that I need a 16 ounce steak for dinner every night, and I do not eat factory farmed meat, cause that will make me sick, too. For some of us, we see the spiritual connection between the animal and ourselves, when we eat it, and treat the whole thing in a spiritual manner. I talk to my animals and thank them for their life energies before I kill them. I wish them a longer and happier life in their next incarnation, and they stay very calm, stand still and let me kill them. Chickens are the easiest animal to kill, rabbits the hardest, for me. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:15 PM 9/27/2005, you wrote: On Tuesday, September 27, 2005, at 03:32 PM, Mike Weaver wrote: I can't kill anything anymore, except chickens. I hate chickens. But I live live in the 'burbs so there are no chickens anyhow. My dad tells stories of his chilhood in Arkansas and pig killing, which they did from November - January. I'm pretty much a vegetarian anyhow these days. I feel that if i'm to eat meat, i should kill the animal myself. Keeps everything in perspective. I bet that if everyone had to personally kill up close and personal to eat, there would be a lot more vegetarians (which i have been, on and off). andres ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Fwd: 2nd Annual Houston Renewable Energy Group Tour
I thought I would pass this on to all who are in the Houston area. Bright Blessings, Kim *Texas* *2nd Annual Houston Renewable Energy Group Tour* *Taking Place In: *Houston and surrounding area *Tour Date: *October 30, 2005 1-5pm *Presented by: *HREG *For more information: * www.txses.org/hreg/tour.php http://www.txses.org/hreg/tour.php or [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *Tour Description: *On October 30, 2005 Houstonians will have the chance to see first hand the beginnings of a transformation in our society- the transition to a sustainable energy future! Come tour real solar homes and buildings in the Houston area and learn more about all forms of renewable energy. Houston has long been an energy leader but the fossil fuel era must give way to cleaner, inexhaustible, local forms of energy. Tour organizers want to show how Houston can remain an energy leader in the 21st century by showcasing pioneering efforts to incorporate solar and other forms of renewable energy into our homes, commercial buildings and everyday lives. *Tour Fee: *$5 *How to Take this Tour: *Visit anyone of the tour locations between 1 and 5pm on Sunday, October 30, 2005 and purchase a tour guide for $5.This guide will get you and your family/group into any of the locations on the tour. [Hint: carpooling is encouraged so sharing a guide is allowed for any group of 6 or less traveling together]. Visit any or all of the locations on our own in any order during the tour hours and there will be someone there to greet you. Locations will be posted on the tour website as they become available. Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] for carpool information. Terri Kurtin Sustainable Technologies Group Houston Advanced Research Center 4800 Research Forest Drive The Woodlands, Texas 77381 281-363-7926 281-364-6052 (fax) [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.harc.edu Life is not measured by the number of breaths we take-but by the moments that take our breath away. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] help please
Greetings, I have been suffering from a life attack the last few weeks and unable to participate on the list. I do expect my power to go down tomorrow night and not be up for at least a week. Will someone please stop my emails from coming to my address for me? I know I am suppose to know how to do it, myself, but my brains quit working a few hours ago. Rita sure is a demanding visitor. We do have enough power for fridges and freezers, some gas for cooking and a safe building. I am getting exhausted by clearing room for all the animals to come inside for the duration of the storm. This was suppose to be a vacation week, the highlight of which was suppose to be seeing the Dali Lama in person. We tore the bathroom out last weekend to rebuild it this week as the plumbing had sprung a leak under the floor. I am babbling so I had better go to bed. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings Keith and Hakan, I am not ignoring you or refusing to answer. My AC went down and my computer does not like to work in 90F+. I have to use the cool of the day to get the farm chores done. I will be back. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:15 PM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Kim, During the years between the first and the second Gulf war, a very large number of children died each year, something that Galloway picked up in his part of the US oil for food hearings. ..- who died only because the fact that they were born in Iraq at the wrong time. Many 1,000's more than anything from the hurricane. I still have the Galloway speech at, http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv This was a direct consequence of the US led blockade. In this case it was not the parents, it was the Americans. I did not see many Americans being upset about that. Hakan At 14:35 02/09/2005, you wrote: Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype all who are enduring the same consequence when not all made decisions on the same basis. A bit like saying all Canadians who choose to live in Texas are as dumb as bricks. Or that all black single moms are sucking on the government welfare teat. Maybe there are extinuating circumstances that rip such rants to shreds under even the most simplified examination. Todd Swearingen Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists .org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, I am sorry if I took your comment the wrong way. I am just trying to share alternatives. You are correct, there is no one size fits all in the health department, since our genealogy has lots to do with what will work for us At 06:47 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Kim , my apologies if my position was taken as ridicule, there was no such intent. All I am trying to do is point out all the variables in any health decision, particularly when someone makes a blanket statement such as A is good, B is bad. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, No one but you has brought up any stereo types. If you honestly believe that everyone who has been injured by this storm is an innocent bystander, then enjoy your rose colored glasses. Most of us feel anger that children died because their parents would not heed warnings. We never said that every child's death was it's parents fault, or anything like that. However, in the world I live in, there are people who expect others to do for them, what they should be doing for themselves. It is sad that their children have paid an ultimate price for their behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:32 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. And precisely who's position is it to condemn anyone? And what right is it of their's to say that those whom they condemn or denigrate didn't do all they could within their means? An estimated 112,000 homes that lack transportation in the New Orleans area, with the government agencies fully expecting that 20% of the population would not be evacuated under circumstances similar to or less than Katrina. See Hurricane Pam Exercise, http://www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/newsrelated/hurripamends.htm I wonder what it is that these agencies know that Greg and yourself don't? As for rants that you perceive to be acceptable? Well, it is quite out of line to rant when not holding all the facts. Even worse to rant and stereotype all who are enduring the same consequence when not all made decisions on the same basis. A bit like saying all Canadians who choose to live in Texas are as dumb as bricks. Or that all black single moms are sucking on the government welfare teat. Maybe there are extinuating circumstances that rip such rants to shreds under even the most simplified examination. Todd Swearingen Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Katrina, who's to blame
Greetings Keith, I had to read you reply several times, for it to sink in. I am having trouble believing that you could equate the comments being made about New Orleans with people in Bangledesh. As you point out later in your message, New Orleans is in one of the richest countries in the world, where no one has to live in a dangerous area if they choose not to. We have the wealth to move around, even the poorest of us, given enough time. We have plenty of ways of being warned of a coming disaster, we have so many things that the people of Bangledesh don't have, that I don't see the two as equal. As far as I have been able to find out, there were no long lines of hitchhikers trying to leave New Orleans. And yes, I have talked to people that got out. Katrina did visit me, but I was on the fringe so no damage, just much need moisture. If the richest countries do such a poor job of protecting their people, especially their children, then what kind of example do we set? I have been through natural disasters in other places, but I have never been angry with the people before. While I was in New Orleans, the people told us about the city being a giant bath tub that would fill with water, and laughed about it. The city was growing, not shrinking even though they knew they were a disaster waiting to happen. There are many factors that make this disaster very different from others. The human race needs to be much more responsible for their actions. The wealthy among us need to be held even more responsible, since we have a choice. And looking at it from a global view point, that is every person in Canada and the US. Bright Blessings, Kim snip Maybe the Bangladeshi victims shouldn't have moved there in the first place, they only have themselves to blame? Maybe better planning would have helped them. Actually it wouldn't have told them that the mega-floods which come every ten years would be three years early this time and it wouldn't have helped them prevent it either, since much of the cause was that global warming had brought increased monsoon rainfall and sped up the melting of the Himalayan snows, which drain into Bangladesh. The main cause of that of course lies even further out of reach of Bangladeshi planners than the snows of the Himalayas do. Bangladesh doesn't feature among the world's Top 10 greenhouse gas producers. There's no figure that I can find for the number of Bangladeshis per motor vehicle, probably because it's a meaninglessly large figure. It's right up there with Nepal at 200-plus or something, 200 plus any number you like. Bangladesh accounts for less than a fifth of its per-capita share of world energy consumption. Bangladeshis are responsible for 40 kg of CO2 emissions each per year, quite sustainable, like the rest of their eco-footprint. Most of the list members now following the Katrina/New Orleans threads are responsible for 5.5 tonnes of CO2 emissions each per year, wildly unsustainable like most of the rest of their eco-footprint and 137.5 times as much as those of a Bangladeshi, while some of them, with computers, affordable Internet connections and time to spare, seem to be claiming they're not among the privileged and are at bottom of the heap. Yes, it's fair enough to discuss emergency plans, but that hasn't really counted for much, while Bede's post and Terry Dyck's are among the few that have offered anything further, IMHO. Think globally, act locally? It's a global list, with a worldwide and very diverse membership, and many list members have said how much they value both that and the kind of input that results from it. So thankyou for a much-needed dose of reality and perspective, Hakan. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is this not what we complain about in our government? I did not apologize, I made sure that what I said was not being taken out of context. I have no desire to live in a world where people are no accountable for what they do. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:04 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Being apologetic doesn't change the fact that these kinds of generalizations express a kind of discrimination that, at best has no value and at worst becomes the seed for something worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings Joe, Thank you. Yes, fence riding is a Canadian hobby, isn't it? It is easy to understand why, when you read stuff like Todd is sending. I have had friends look at me startled and say: You are judging me. and I reply, If I don't judge you and find you worthy, how can I call your friend? We make judgements all the time. I do not know how anyone can expect Bright Blessings if there is no accountability. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:14 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is this not what we complain about in our government? I did not apologize, I made sure that what I said was not being taken out of context. I have no desire to live in a world where people are no accountable for what they do. Bright Blessings, Kim Thank goodness for people like you! And I think you said you are Canadian which makes it all the more impressive to hear you say discriminate is not a dirty word. It seems to me Canadians are often loath to call a spade a spade we are so oversocialized. Hail to accountability! Godspeed you redneck angels of sanity! Come on back home we need you here before we all die of fence riding induced lethargy. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings Joe, Actually we are in SE Texas. That is why we caught the very edge of Katrina. I have been talking to people from New Orleans that left as the evacuation was happening. This is how I could state, that as far as I have been able to find out, there were no hitchhikers on the exits looking for rides. If you don't have money or a car, how else do you leave? Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:51 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim; I always enjoy reading your posts. I wish you didn't live so far away. I think you are in West Texas or New Mexico? Sounds like your place would be a marvel to visit and if I ever get down that way again I would defininitely like to meet you and Garth. I know exactly what you mean about that reaction from your friend. I have had the same thing. People with your attiude are few and far apart these days it seems. Accountability is out of fashion with the sheeple for some strange reason. Best regards Joe Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings Joe, Thank you. Yes, fence riding is a Canadian hobby, isn't it? It is easy to understand why, when you read stuff like Todd is sending. I have had friends look at me startled and say: You are judging me. and I reply, If I don't judge you and find you worthy, how can I call your friend? We make judgements all the time. I do not know how anyone can expect Bright Blessings if there is no accountability. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:14 AM 9/2/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, If it is discriminatory to call a thief a thief, then I discriminate. If it is discrimination to call a liar a liar, then I do discriminate. Could you please tell me how things can get better by letting people get away with whatever they feel like? No one held accountable, is this not what we complain about in our government? I did not apologize, I made sure that what I said was not being taken out of context. I have no desire to live in a world where people are no accountable for what they do. Bright Blessings, Kim Thank goodness for people like you! And I think you said you are Canadian which makes it all the more impressive to hear you say discriminate is not a dirty word. It seems to me Canadians are often loath to call a spade a spade we are so oversocialized. Hail to accountability! Godspeed you redneck angels of sanity! Come on back home we need you here before we all die of fence riding induced lethargy. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings Bob, The world can use many more Bright Blessings than I can wish for it. I have no copyright, honest. Be warned however, that if you use it, people will ask/assume you are a pagan. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:46 PM 8/31/2005, you wrote: Hi Hakan Joe, I would love to use Kim's sig of Bright Blessings, but she's earned that one, so I'll just say Cheers to all, Bob (the one in West Linn, OR) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, I was suggesting an alternative for those whose health is of vital importance, to them. I am fighting hard to prevent myself from becoming totally chemically sensitive, so I can still have a life. Many of the things our government says are safe are responsible for people becoming like I am, allergic to everything. If it is too much bother to find out how to use alternatives, then so be it. No need to ridicule the information. Bright Blessings, Kim At 05:39 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: at what concentration is hydrogen peroxide safe? At what concentration is chlorine bleach unsafe? also at what concentration is H2O2 effective and at what concentration is chlorine ineffective against what organisms? viruses? bacteria? cryptosporidium? giradia? amoeba? nematodes? etc. darn, things can get complex in a hurry if you think about it. sorry Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Actually, I prefer hydrogen peroxide to chlorine for keep my water fresh. It does not have the toxic effects, especially for young girls and child bearing aged women. Sorry, but chlorine is not safe. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:51 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: Thanks for the info Emil. I remember now reading of the silver coin in water from another thread. Somehow I think it sounds kind of weird though. We use untreated well water and I could stand a bit of chlorine in an emergency. Usually we have some water supply interruption during Winter. It is reassuring to have a palatable water supply stored. Better safe than sorry. Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves - Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina slams New Orleans. Is There Blame?
Greetings, I am wondering, are Greg and I the only ones that feel frustration with people who don't care about their lives, then expect someone else to pick up the pieces? Greg has not condemned anyone who tried to help themselves, just those who don't. I can remember my parents being irate with a neighbor when we were growing up for the same kind of behavior. There was a broken water main and it flooded the basements of the houses. The one guy on the street that was always bragging about his new toys, was the one that didn't have the money to fix his house, because he didn't pay his insurance premiums. I mean, who expects a flood in Calgary, Alberta, Canada? I am afraid they were not very polite when someone came canvassing for money to help the guy. How about: God helps those who help themselves? I don't see that a rant against people who have endangered themselves and others is out of line. And yes, I have already donated help and I am working on more for the people of Louisianna. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:54 PM 9/1/2005, you wrote: I'm sure that there is a percentage of people who have exercised poor judgment. Who hasn't exercised poor judgment? The irony here is how you express less sympathy as the suffering from those mistakes gets worse. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings, I hate batteries because they always die just when there is work to do. I do not want to depend on something that is going to have to be replaced just as it gets paid off and that I can't scrounge parts for. I don't believe that batteries are good for the environment either. Yes, some kind of storage is needed, but large battery banks just don't cut it. For the home tinkerer, I think methane storage is about the easiest I have come up with. That and biodiesel. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:12 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote: Why do you hate batteries? They are a needed device. I would rather have a hydrogen PEM fuel cell setup. Use wind to feed a water seperation tank then feed the H2/O2 to the hPEM. Only use the hPEM when power beyond the wind source is needed, or at locations remote from the wind fed grid. Jeromie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Water heater
Greetings, One can get just about anything for free, if you ask nicely. I have 3000 square feet of tile that was mine for hauling it home. Most of my walls and shelving units are made from scrounged wood, mine for the hauling. In Huntsville Texas, there is a man that started a company building homes with the stuff regular contractors throw out. Last I heard, he was up to about 10 houses a year. It is truly wonderful what happens when you think outside the box. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:16 PM 8/30/2005, you wrote: Marty, and all, I have to respectfully disagree with Bob C. on this one. The days of freebies are still very much alive! It might just be an issue of where you seek your freebies : ) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] chicken manure
Greetings, While I have never cleaned up something that bad, I do use the following spray on my compost toilet buckets and they are bad enough. In one spray bottle put ordinary white vinegar; in another spray bottle put hydrogen peroxide. Spray one then the other on your surface. A couple of seconds between the two is optimum. This works better than chlorine for disinfectant. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:28 AM 8/31/2005, you wrote: I am trying to turn an old chicken house into a biodiesel workshop. The odor is disgusting because the chicken waste and dead chickens were left for years. I've cleaned it out and left the doors open. Does anyone have any ideas how to deodorize the old chicken shed? Should I be concerned about mold or spores? Thanks, Todd ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:52 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: content-class: urn:content-classes:message Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=_=_NextPart_001_01C5AD7A.C1E61968 You need both Wind and solar. Chances are when it is windy the clouds maybe covering the nuclear reactor. When itÂ’s sunny no wind. You need BOTH Mel Who has had a little experience with an AWP turbine. But my next one is a bergey 10kw OhhÂ…. -Original Message- From: Tom Irwin [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2005 10:36 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind Hi All, If climate change occurs from global warming do solar panels make more sense to buy or will wind be better. My thoughts go toward wind. If the temperature expected occur, many areas will have more cloudy days from all of the extra moisture evaporated into the atmosphere from the rising ocean tamperatures. What do you all think? Wind can be fairly constant in some areas and should only increase from climate change. Tom Irwin From: Mike Weaver [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 20:56:33 -0300 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Sept 1 declared no buy gas day FWIW BP is a fairly big player in solar panels - so far a 3-6 backlog of orders. Keith Addison wrote: Hi Darryl Very nice! I'm sure others can contribute more ideas beyond the list above. My point is, don't act for a day, act for a lifetime. I'm also sure, there've been some good contributions so far. If we can et some more I can compile them and make a page at Journey to Forever for it, might help. It would be nice to internationalise it a bit, but if it doesn't work out that way I don't mind. Best wishes Keith Well, then I guess we can expect to see BP putting all their gasoline stations up for sale. After all, the managers are required to maximize the returns for their shareholders. If the stations are losing money, they have to dump them. I won't be holding my breath. As for gas-outs - it's a sad joke, as has been pointed out here before. If you want to reduce gasoline (and diesel) consumption, for whatever reason, here's a start on what you can do to make a difference. 1) Walk somewhere. Anywhere. Just leave your guzzler parked. 2) Get a bicycle. Preferably something used. Try your local FreeCycle, or bike repair co-op, or a used bike dealer. Find something comfortable and practical for your use. Then use it. 3) Check the pressure on the tires on your vehicle. Correct if necessary. Slight overinflation is better for fuel economy than slight underinflation. Repeat monthly or more frequently if required. 4) Have your vehicle tuned up on a regular, appropriate schedule. Check owner's manual for details. Check for dragging brakes, emissions control system problems, etc while you are at it. 5) Plan your trips to minimize distance travelled (trip chaining). 6) Use public transit when available and appropriate. Or carpool. 7) Use biofuels, e.g. E100, E85, E10 as recommended for your vehicle. There are many flex-fuel vehicles on the road in the U.S. due to CAFE dual-fuel incentive, where the owners don't even know the vehicle is flex-fuel capable. Check your vehicle manual. Use biodiesel blend where available or appropriate (or make your own, of course). 8) Take extra weight out of your vehicle, as accelerating extra weight uses more energy, and de-accelerating extra weight increases brake wear. (e.g. sand and salt mixture for winter use should not be in the trunk all sumer as well). 9) When shopping for tires, look for economizer / fuel miser / energy wise labels. 10) When shopping for a replacement vehicle, look for something that is as fuel- efficient as possible while meeting most of your needs - not necessarily all of your needs. You can rent a vehicle to meet occasional requirements. 11) If you want to make a political statement, pick an oil company to boycott or support. Personally, I try to buy from MacEwen's because they are local and have been promoting ethanol blend here since before it was fashionable. I boycott Exxon/Esso/Imperial Oil due to their horrendous environmental record (and other undesirable practices). Trust me, if we actually managed to drop Exxon's gross revenue in a regional market by 10% for a
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Greetings, I hate batteries. That is why I want a system that I can power with methane if I need power when the sun is not shining. I use almost no power after the sun goes down, most of the year. We do not watch tv or other wasteful appetites for power, but, I do sometimes like to sew at night, so having the option of turning the power on, I like. Most people would be unhappy with a system that I can live with, I don't mind a little inconvenience, it just reminds me how lucky I am to have power. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 AM 8/30/2005, you wrote: Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim A system I've been working on, and redesigning throughout the years is going more toward solar heat. A solar concentrator, (reads: recycled 10' diameter satellite dish covered with little squares of mirror salvaged from the glass shop's dumpster) and a Stirling engine are integral, the engine integrating the conversion from solar heat to electricity, but then the question arose, do I really want to be dependent on a system that stores its power in batteries? So the system has shifted to collecting heat, and storing that. Then, draw from that, the energy I need for electricity, and still have heat for water, or home space. And on a medium cloud cover, I can still focus infrared rays and collect heat. Solar panels tend to do less well with clouds. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Medical was Re: Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez
Greetings, And who has none? Even in the US, there is medical available. If there isn't, please explain to me how people who have just crossed the Rio Grande are in the hospitals on the US side? There is no problem getting into see the doctor, but getting the surgery is a different tale. There are waiting lists for everything in the Alberta Medical system. One must be exact on this list, so I must mention that there is no such thing as a Canadian medical system, since each province is different and runs their own system. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:38 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote: Good point, but: 1. What if you don't have or can't get insurance? 2. Last time I checked, it is not illegal to see a doctor in Canada and simply pay for it. It would be silly to wait until you get cancer. Canadians have alternatives too. 3. I would hazard that Canadian medicine, warts and all, is better than none. -Mike Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I have lived under Canada's medical and the US system, and had cancer in both. I will take the US system any day of the week. Sorry, but sitting on a waiting list waiting to have a pre-cancerous mass removed until it turns into cancer is not my idea of good medicine. Ask any US resident what they think of medicaid, and you get the same answer, surprise, it is the same system with the same faults. The US has socialized medicine, thankfully, they also have alternatives to it. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote: If Medicare and Medicade is so popular, and efficient, then why not expand it? -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson et al VS. followers
Well said Gustl, This list has proven to me how little I know, so many times. Bright Blessings, Kim At 11:34 AM 8/27/2005, you wrote: Hallo Folks, Ja, let's not go there. Let us go here instead. Unless people have all the information they are able they will not be able to make intelligent or wise decisions. We need to know that when we are told something that the source is routinely as accurate and truthful as possible and we need to know which sources are not so we can stay away from those. There are folks out there, and I know some of them, who limit their input to sources which reflect only their particular mindset and they reject information from other sources as false or biased whether or not that is indeed true. They want the world to be a mirror image of their cherished beliefs whether or not the beliefs are true, good or wise. That makes no sense. I believe I have said this before but I believe that the information we garner and through which we sift is biofuel for the mind. Politics may be and often is heavily discussed but through this we gain an understanding of others who may be vastly different from ourselves and we come to learn that although there are many differences we have a common thread running through this which is that we wish good for ourselves and no harm to others. What gets in the way of this is partisanship whether it is religious, political, economic, racial or whatever else. Through these discussions we get closer to the truth of things and become closer to being an organic whole. If we are to become the best people we can be living in the best world we can we need to listen to others and examine ourselves and if we find ourselves lacking we need to get into line with what is right and good or if we find others lacking we need to point it out to them so that they have the same opportunity of getting into line with that which is right and good. To limit the discourse on this list to the physical mechanics of biofuel production is to limit ones understanding of what biofuel is and what it can become. If you are not prepared to expand your limits friend then you have chosen the wrong list. This is where the sorting and weeding is done. This is the place where we become part of the one, friends. We point out the flaws where we find them that we may understand more and correct the mistakes we find in ourselves and elsewhere as we are able. Welcome to biofuels. ;o) Happy Happy, Gustl -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Pat Robertson's business affiliation with Hugo Chavez
Greetings, I have lived under Canada's medical and the US system, and had cancer in both. I will take the US system any day of the week. Sorry, but sitting on a waiting list waiting to have a pre-cancerous mass removed until it turns into cancer is not my idea of good medicine. Ask any US resident what they think of medicaid, and you get the same answer, surprise, it is the same system with the same faults. The US has socialized medicine, thankfully, they also have alternatives to it. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:41 PM 8/27/2005, you wrote: If Medicare and Medicade is so popular, and efficient, then why not expand it? -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
Greetings, Finally, you mean Canadians are waking up. My parents pointed out these facts to us as children, 3 or 4 decades ago. The US has invited Canada to join with them 4 times, that I am aware of. The last time being when Canada rescued diplomats in the middle east. I do remember the 'Thank you, Canada' being broadcast by every American television station. My father squashed our good feelings by pointing out the gratitude by nations is short lived. It has been recognized by Canadians that were aware that Canadian soveriegnity would only last as long as the US wanted it to. On a bright note, there are lots of people in the US, that carry a US passport but were born in Canada that may be able to vote for sanity when it comes to how the US deals with Canada. [Assuming a fair election] The University of Alberta has alumni associations in both Dallas and Houston, so there must be a fair number of us here. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:45 AM 8/24/2005, you wrote: We have relied on the umbrella of american might for a long time and the Canada - US border is the longest undefended border in the world. The illusion of the friendly giant has been shattered. It is cause for rising alarm amongst more than a few of my countrymen. Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings Tim, Tolerance was in my vocabulary long before it became a buzz word, it is a word that summed up my father in one word. I wish he had lived long enough to see his teachings take root in his children. I will accept your definition of meek only as long as you realize that my patience is not everlasting. I have limits like everyone else, but I have compassion and a view that the superior must be patient with the inferior if you want growth. Therefore, I must have patience with the poor people that were not blessed with a rational upbringing, but were raised on television and being cool, as long as they are trying to learn better, anyway. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:17 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: Kim, Thanks for your frankness. Tolerance is the politically correct buzzword these days, in the public arena anyway. Privately folks are free to be as intolerant as money can buy. Discrimination is running rampant not that anyone would admit to it but you can judge a tree by its fruit. I feared the word meek wouldn't convey my intent properly. I did not mean doormat! Instead I meant non-resented wisdom, patience and gentleness especially while enduring hardship. Tim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth Kim Travis Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 7:05 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Greetings, No, I do not yearn for Canada. Canadians have their faults too, just different ones. Me meek, not in this lifetime. It is true that the red in my hair is more a memory than reality these days, I am used to standing up for what I believe is right. Actually the racism is what I find hardest to take in the US and no, it is not just in the south. The closed neighborhoods that do not want change or new people are not particularly healthy either. What really upset me when I first moved here were the neighborhoods based on a certain religion! How to create narrow minded children. However, I do understand that such neighborhoods are now springing up in Canada, as well. The main difference I find is the lack of tolerance for anyone different or anything different. I guess Canadians have so many immigrant per capita, that interest in the different cultures has managed to keep things a little more tolerant. And yes, I am well aware of the prejedice that those from Pakistan ran into when they arrived in Canada. I am not saying anyone is perfect. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:22 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote: Kim, Gracious me! As they say the meek shall inherit the earth! I believe that you fit that bill. How soothing and reflective are your words. You must yearn for Canada. I am curious as to what you are referring to wrt American attitudes? It doesn't sound very complimentary. Not that I'm offended though I am interested in your perspective. Tim -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Made our first biodiesel
Greetings, Just a quick note to let you know that Garth made our first biodiesel this weekend. It is sitting and drying in the sun today then it can go in my car. We are going to have to watch the amount of lye we use as our environment is extremely humid. We did have to process the virgin oil twice to get good quality. After 4 washes, the wash water is clear. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Made our first biodiesel
Greetings, Actually, that should read well done Garth, but since he doesn't talk on this list, I will pass it on. I passed making the biodiesel onto him because I just could not find time to do it. I am currently researching and implementing natural feed programs for all our animals on the farm and figuring out how to grow everything that we need to go that route. That and starting a soap business, so I passed. Garth is much better at technical stuff than I am. Was he supose to use KOH in the first batch? He used NaOh, which was the problem. For some reason, I can keep my KOH dry but I always have trouble with the NaOH. Garth is going to try virgin oil again and see if he can't make it in one pass this time. Bright Blessings, Kim At 10:05 AM 8/18/2005, you wrote: Well done Kim! Greetings, Just a quick note to let you know that Garth made our first biodiesel this weekend. It is sitting and drying in the sun today then it can go in my car. What a thrill when you start up the motor! We are going to have to watch the amount of lye we use as our environment is extremely humid. Here too, at this time of year anyway. You'll find ways of keeping it dry when you measure it out. We buy it (KOH) in 20kg lots and then work inside a big sealed plastic bag to transfer it to 500g HDPE containers with wide mouths and bungs. No moisture. From those we measure it out as needed inside another plastic bag, with the scales adjusted for the weight of the bag. You get good at it. We did have to process the virgin oil twice to get good quality. After 4 washes, the wash water is clear. Green light, off you go. All best Keith Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings, No, I do not yearn for Canada. Canadians have their faults too, just different ones. Me meek, not in this lifetime. It is true that the red in my hair is more a memory than reality these days, I am used to standing up for what I believe is right. Actually the racism is what I find hardest to take in the US and no, it is not just in the south. The closed neighborhoods that do not want change or new people are not particularly healthy either. What really upset me when I first moved here were the neighborhoods based on a certain religion! How to create narrow minded children. However, I do understand that such neighborhoods are now springing up in Canada, as well. The main difference I find is the lack of tolerance for anyone different or anything different. I guess Canadians have so many immigrant per capita, that interest in the different cultures has managed to keep things a little more tolerant. And yes, I am well aware of the prejedice that those from Pakistan ran into when they arrived in Canada. I am not saying anyone is perfect. Bright Blessings, Kim At 03:22 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote: Kim, Gracious me! As they say the meek shall inherit the earth! I believe that you fit that bill. How soothing and reflective are your words. You must yearn for Canada. I am curious as to what you are referring to wrt American attitudes? It doesn't sound very complimentary. Not that I'm offended though I am interested in your perspective. Tim -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings, What you say is true, but how many Americans know their history? Ask most Texans who won the civil war and they answer: Texas. While I do know that Texans are not the same as American's, in most people's books, about half of my neighbors are from California and they are no better. Somehow, it has become American to support our industry and stay in hock up to wazoo. What gets me, it that most of the stuff is not made in America. It is made elsewhere, an American name is added, then it is sold to Americans. The joy of living in the states is the right to pay off debts without a penalty, especially your mortgage. I do know American history and wish more Americans did and were proud of the good parts, I think it would make a nicer country. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:00 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote: I was never told that it was un-Canadian to do for myself or to make things at home. I am criticized in this manner about once a week, here in Texas. OK you have my attention. ANY American who tells you that making something at home is un-American hasn't the foggiest notion of this country's history and culture. Ingenuity and individuality have contributed greatly to the American way of life, for better or worse. If anyone you know has any doubt about this, tell them to do their your own research and find out how many people in this country are amateur inventors and basement tinkerers. This didn't just start yesterday. As a new Englander, I admired so called Yankee Ingenuity and the folklorish status that it developed throughout the post industrial revolution. Some can argue that this kind of activity goes farther back than that - applying extraordinary ingenuity during the revolutionary war with the development and manufacturing processes used to produce the Kentucky long rifle and other technologies of it's day. Many of the framers of the constitution were tinkerers in their own right. Ask him/her if BENJAMIN FRANKLIN sounds like a familiar name. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings, If you can tell me how to educate people who do not want to learn, I will do so. I was extremely active in Literacy Volunteers of America for 12 years. I worked as a trainer in the Brazos Valley and I tried to run a literacy council in Bedias, where the illiterate rate is over 40%. We had free tutors available to anyone who wanted one, guess what? No students! The bank and the post office were telling people that free lessons were available, but still no students! We live our philosophy, in big letters and out front. We are trying very hard for a truly sustainable life and hope that as our place comes together, people will ask how we are accomplishing this, but you can not make people with no interest learn. We are slowly getting questions about the health of our animals and grass, but when we explain, they laugh and tell us that won't work. The evidence is in front of them, but we must be lying or something. I am on-line, and although I haven't had time lately, I do regular rants about sustainable living, especially about sustainable farming on this list. Look in the archives. I own and run 2 yahoo lists, both of around 400 people. One on sustainable building and one on renewable energy. Plus the 20 other lists that I am on and active, sharing what I know and have learned and learning from others. If that is not being out there trying to teach, I don't know what you want. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:09 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: Garth and Kim, Maybe you should go out and educate some people to think otherwise. The world will never become a better place if you just talk about it online. Go out and help people notice their beliefs are so 1950s. xoxox hunt. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings Marilyn, You are not telling me anything I don't know, but you are totally correct. Most people unfortunately get their ideas from hollywood/television and think it is real. They are seriously unhappy when you shatter their vision of the world and they tend to attack the messenger. We have been doing our own thing and slowly, people are starting to get interested in what we are doing. The only way I have found to teach someone who does not want to learn, is to not let them know they are learning, at least for a while. By example is all we have. Thankfully, there are examples in many countries of Mother Earth, as exhibited by this list. Bright Blessings, Kim Kim, Having students who don't want to learn is the hardest part of being a teacher, especially a history teacher because we have a responsibility to create citizens who understand democracy and participate in it wisely. If we don't know history we are condemened to repeat it. This is one reason why the control of our media's news is so harmful. People are not getting real information about the government that is creating history (unless they can find it on the internet). But when confronted with what is being covered up, many don't want to hear it, and accuse the messengers of being conspiracy nuts. Marilyn ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings, Why would I want to see anyone suffer? I teach living debt free whenever I get the chance, including last week to the employees at my bank. I would like to live in a sustainable world and the only way I can see of getting there is to teach at every opportunity. But I can not teach those who do not want to learn. I do truly wish, Bright Blessings to everyone. As for history, the big general sweeps teach us more than getting lost in quibbling over details. Even if Thucydides made up his whole book, it does not matter. He still lets us see through the eyes of someone in another time. Kim At 10:27 AM 8/17/2005, you wrote: Hi Kim, Don't let those secrets out Kim. You'll have more competition. Let them stay dumb and in debt. As far as knowing history, which history are we talking about? Are we talking about the history that says John F. Kennedy was killed by lone gunman Lee Harvey Oswald? Or the real History? Tom Irwin From: Garth Kim Travis [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 09:12:29 -0300 Subject: RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Greetings, What you say is true, but how many Americans know their history? Ask most Texans who won the civil war and they answer: Texas. While I do know that Texans are not the same as American's, in most people's books, about half of my neighbors are from California and they are no better. Somehow, it has become American to support our industry and stay in hock up to wazoo. What gets me, it that most of the stuff is not made in America. It is made elsewhere, an American name is added, then it is sold to Americans. The joy of living in the states is the right to pay off debts without a penalty, especially your mortgage. I do know American history and wish more Americans did and were proud of the good parts, I think it would make a nicer country. Bright Blessings, Kim At 04:00 PM 8/16/2005, you wrote: I was never told that it was un-Canadian to do for myself or to make things at home. I am criticized in this manner about once a week, here in Texas. OK you have my attention. ANY American who tells you that making something at home is un-American hasn't the foggiest notion of this country's history and culture. Ingenuity and individuality have contributed greatly to the American way of life, for better or worse. If anyone you know has any doubt about this, tell them to do their your own research and find out how many people in this country are amateur inventors and basement tinkerers. This didn't just start yesterday. As a new Englander, I admired so called Yankee Ingenuity and the folklorish status that it developed throughout the post industrial revolution. Some can argue that this kind of activity goes farther back than that - applying extraordinary ingenuity during the revolutionary war with the development and manufacturing processes used to produce the Kentucky long rifle and other technologies of it's day. Many of the framers of the constitution were tinkerers in their own right. Ask him/her if BENJAMIN FRANKLIN sounds like a familiar name. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings Hakan, Lying in corporations is standard practice in North America. The normal lie that is real common is: 'Anyone can shut down a job for safety reasons.' I have heard this in many corporations in Canada and the US, but I have also seen what happens when someone tries to shut down a job for safety reasons. Either they are ignored and the job continues in an unsafe manor or the person very quickly finds themselves in the unemployment line. Corporate image and the image of being a good corporate citizen is what the companies care about, the reality does not have to live up to it, if they have spent enough money publicizing their corporate image. Start work at 16 and by the time you are 20, you have this figured out. The challenge is to figure out which part of the companies spin, they actually care about. Then you know which sacred cow not to damage. Me, I couldn't stand it, so I have been self employed most of my life. Not all corporations are like this, and the smaller the company, the less likely this is. But one does not go into politics as a rule from small business. The oil industry is especially ripe with type of behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:36 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote: If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming? Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Greetings Tim, You are more than correct about many things. Few and far between are the honest humans, but there are a few. Fortunately for me, you can't pay me enough for me to work at anything that I can't be proud of. I have never been that fond of money. I like my benefits better than any a corporation could give me. Plenty of fresh air, sunshine, super healthy food, loving animals, no chemicals in my environment. No smokers and I work at my own rate and time. Bright Blessings, Kim At 09:28 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote: Kim, No question about the lying taking place in corporations. However, a person tends to take that statement as though it only takes place at the employer level. Employees lie to the same degree. How many people do we all know who milk worker comp claims? Or take jobs that pay under the table so as to protect their unemployment benefits? What about stealing company property either in material or unproductive time? Then you have people who complain about unsafe working conditions only to hop on a crotch rocket, drink and drive, smoke, load their kids in the bed of their pickup, etc. I'm not protecting the corporation at all. At the same time, if more people had the constitution take that job and shove it and self-employ, the corporation would have to sit up and listen. The problem is the pay and benefits are too good. Tim Schlueter(20 year accountant for the corporation) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Garth Kim Travis Sent: Tuesday, August 16, 2005 8:10 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Greetings Hakan, Lying in corporations is standard practice in North America. The normal lie that is real common is: 'Anyone can shut down a job for safety reasons.' I have heard this in many corporations in Canada and the US, but I have also seen what happens when someone tries to shut down a job for safety reasons. Either they are ignored and the job continues in an unsafe manor or the person very quickly finds themselves in the unemployment line. Corporate image and the image of being a good corporate citizen is what the companies care about, the reality does not have to live up to it, if they have spent enough money publicizing their corporate image. Start work at 16 and by the time you are 20, you have this figured out. The challenge is to figure out which part of the companies spin, they actually care about. Then you know which sacred cow not to damage. Me, I couldn't stand it, so I have been self employed most of my life. Not all corporations are like this, and the smaller the company, the less likely this is. But one does not go into politics as a rule from small business. The oil industry is especially ripe with type of behavior. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:36 AM 8/16/2005, you wrote: If they come from Corporations, hmmm, I do not like to be sued for telling my honest opinion or my experiences from US corporate leaders. It does however explain the deep rooted habit of lying to the people. Wonder from which industries they are coming? Hakan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] problem solving
Thanks Kirk, This one was definitely worth passing on. Bright Blessings, Kim At 02:45 PM 8/15/2005, you wrote: A TEXAS Rancher's wife called the local phone company to report her telephone failed to ring when her friends called -- and that on the few occasions when it did ring, her pet dog always moaned right before the phone rang. The telephone repairman proceeded to the scene, curious to see this psychic dog or senile elderly lady. He climbed a nearby telephone pole, hooked in his test set, and dialed the subscriber's house. The phone didn't ring right away, but then the dog moaned loudly and the telephone began to ring. Climbing down from the pole, the telephone repairman found: 1. The dog was tied to the telephone system's ground wire via a steel chain and collar. 2. The wire connection to the ground rod was loose. 3. The dog was receiving 90 volts of signaling current when the phone number was called. 4. After a couple of such jolts, the dog would start moaning and then urinate on himself and the ground. 5. The wet ground would complete the circuit, thus causing the phone to ring...which demonstrates that some problems CAN be fixed by pissing and moaning. Start your day with Yahoo! - make it your home page ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead
Greetings, I have some, but they are over 10 years old. The Literacy Volunteers of America will have them, or can get them. The directors use them for writing fund raising proposals and for raising awareness. Actually, anyone directly involved in literacy will have them. The Bedias literacy council is too small to afford to replace the ones we have, but I could find my old ones if they would help. Bright Blessings, Kim At 07:17 PM 8/11/2005, you wrote: Kim, where do I find such maps? I have tried Google, but, ended up with world maps, or nothing more than US demographic tables ( which were not very helpful ). Greg H. - Original Message - From: Garth Kim Travis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 10, 2005 7:00 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bring land back from the dead Greetings, Get a map that shows illiteracy rates, anywhere that the rate is 40% or better you can find cheap land. Also, most of these areas have no or not enforced building codes. Bright Blessings, Kim ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Medical system was The Auto Industry's Last Hope
Greetings, Actually they are both wrong. As long as the biggest contributors to the cost of medical education are the drug companies, health care will be a problem. They do not teach health in the medical schools, they teach curing disease which is not the same thing. Knowledge of good nutrition is extremely rare, healthy eating habits are rarer. The problem is not the health system, but the food. JTF has lots of real good information on this in the smalls farms library. The information is not new, but few people are interested in being healthy, they would rather follow trends. Bright Blessings, Kim At 12:53 PM 8/12/2005, you wrote: Hi all, Does this mean that the most Republicans were wrong about market driven health care and Hilary Clinton was right? Maybe not but it sure seems that way, doesn't it. Tom Irwin From: Keith Addison [ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thu, 11 Aug 2005 16:28:15 -0300 Subject: [Biofuel] The Auto Industry's Last Hope http://www.tompaine.com/articles/20050811/the_auto_industrys_last_hope.php The Auto Industry's Last Hope Greg Tarpinian August 11, 2005 Greg Tarpinian is the president and executive director, Labor Research Association, a New York City-based non-profit research and advocacy organization that provides research and educational services for trade unions. After pushing one of the largest companies in the world to the brink of disaster, General Motors executives began their annual meeting with UAW leaders on April 14 with plans to intensify their push for health care benefit cuts. GM announced on March 16 that it would report an $850 million loss for the first quarter of 2005 and earn $1 to $2 per share for the year, down from its earlier forecast of $4 to $5 per share. The company's cash flow is a negative $2 billion. GM's bonds now are rated just above junk, and it still owes billions to its underfunded pension and retiree health plans. Ford cut its profit forecast for the year by 14 percent on April 8 and announced that it will not meet its 2006 goal of $7 billion in pretax profit. Ratings agencies are now poised to downgrade Ford's credit too. Both companies will cut production and accelerate layoffs for their white-collar workers. GM's salaried workforce has already been hit with substantial job cuts, wage freezes and higher benefit contributions. There is no ready solution for the financial problems that may easily overwhelm these companies. Ford is sitting on an inventory of almost 900,000 vehicles; GM faces substantial overcapacity. Although GM executives continue to claim that they can regain market share, industry analysts uniformly agree that GM and Ford have permanently lost their positions as the leading car companies in the United States U.S. market share for the American automakers fell from 65 percent in 1994 to 42 percent last year. Toyota displaced Ford as the second-largest car seller in the country for reasons that have nothing to do with Ford's higher benefit costs. The U.S. automakers have been digging their own graves for years, but GM faces the highest costs because of its misguided expansion two decades ago. The U.S. automakers have squandered market share and mismanaged resources, but would like to blame benefit costs for the financial crisis they have been courting for two decades. The financial crisis born of mismanagement leaves the companies facing costs they cannot cover, including health care costs. GM paid out $5.2 billion for health care benefits in 2004 and expects to pay out $5.8 billion this year. These benefit costs are part of the total compensation negotiated in union contracts that traded what would have been higher wage increases for better benefit provisions. Health benefits, including retiree benefits, are simply wages delivered in a different form or, in the case of retirees, deferred for payment later. The U.S. automakers are now pressing for the equivalent of a wage cut for its union workers and take-backs from its retirees. The costs have been exacerbated by the unwillingness of the Bush administration and Congress to address the catastrophic rise of health care costs in the United States. GM's $73 billion liability for retiree health benefits could be covered three times over by the amount the United States squanders every year on administrative costs for its private health care system. China and India will begin exporting cars to the United States within the next few years. Carmakers in both countries benefit from national health care systems that pay for employee benefits with public funds. The U.S. automakers are moving more production to Canada where a national health care program provides coverage for workers and their families for less than one-fifth of the cost of health benefits on the U.S. side of the border. Benefit costs account for 28.8 percent of
