Re: [Biofuel] Creating a cool room storage in a hot climate
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Re: [biofuel] practical technology
Thank you so much! I hope you are successful. And if possible, please take all these right-wing propaganda swilling numbskulls with you. These Republicans make me embarrassed to be a human. Why can't you all see that the only way your system of abundance works is for the majority of the world's population to go without their meager piece of pie, while y'all gorge yourselves and still put a little away for later. I love the USA and I have killed other human beings while believing that I was doing my patriotic duty. I now know that there is only one good reason for killing people, and that is to protect your family. It's pretty hard to protect your family when you're thousands of miles away from home. Politics and government are inherently evil, and everyone(I'm sure there must have been an exception but, I can't remember one) who is involved, ultimately becomes corrupted. One for all and all for one, no one is more important than the next, kris book P.S. I think you'll have more luck if you choose another Internet name, besides regards. LOL --- tallex2002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have started a new group for serious experimenters and others interested in practical applications of alternative energy and distributed energy. Group focus is on working prototypes, energy efficiency improvements, schematics, research details etc. real-time systems, practical alternative energy options; home-made power systems, solar energy, wind power, fuel cells, biofuels. Political/religion discussions are not appropriate for this news group. Daily alternative energy news and resources Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ regards Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Hemp bio fuels
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma...
The worst part is that the masses can't see that this particlar war like hundreds of wars before it, was started to make somebody an extra dollar they really didn't need. The corporate bullies can always fake the reason for a war, or sucker some fool into starting the war for them. After all, they must stay in game shape and since it's always young men who are the bulk that are killed in wars, they will never relax their grip. And that's good for population/power control. All they have to do is keep us bickering among ourselves and working for the almighty dollar and the inmates run the assylum without any guards. We could easily defeat them, since we out number them about 99 to 1, unfortunately the only weapon I know that will work is communication. And since humans will go to such great lengths to avoid communicating, we are stuck in a huge Catch 22. When we finally learn that all humans are equal and every parent on the planet wants the same good fortune (and deserves it) for their offspring, then corporate rule will just fade away without a shot being fired. Until that day, remember virtually all politics/governments are evil and not looking out for anyone except the top 1% of the money holders. kris --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Enteresting corrolary. Nicely put. Worth giving some arduous thought. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Moral Dilemma... Those who feel the pre-emptive surpise attack on Iraq, killing thousands of civilians, was morally justified cite the following beliefs. If they were sincerely held, even if not supported by facts, then the war was justified. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Moral Dilemma...
Cute, very cute! I'd save him if I could then make him work as an indentured servant for the widows of his war on terror, both sides' widows. --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, there is a third answer to this... Moral Dilemma... This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. Please don't answer it without giving it some serious thought. By giving an honest answer you will be able to ascertain where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation, where you will have to make a decision one way or the other. Remember that your answer should to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and consider each line - this is important for the test to work accurately. You're in Florida. In Miami, to be exact. There is great chaos going on around you, caused by a hurricane and severe floods. There are huge masses of water all around you. You are an Associated Press photographer and you are in the middle of this great disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot very impressive photos. There are houses afloat all around, people floating disappearing into the water. Nature is showing all its awesome power. Suddenly you see a man in the water - he is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken away by the masses of water and mud. You move closer. Somehow the man looks familiar. Suddenly you know who it is - it's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him away, forever. You have two options. You can save him or you can take the best photo of your life. You can't do both. You can either save the life of George W. Bush, or you can shoot a Pulitzer Prize winning photo, a unique photo chronicling one of the world's most powerful men in a battle against the power of nature itself. Here's the question (please give an honest answer): Would you select color film, or instead go for the simplicity of classic black and white? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard - Read only the mail you want. http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] SUPER EFFICIENT ENGINE?????!!!!!!
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[biofuel] OT but, veryimportant!!! Mike Murphy Show Uncovers Government Scandel On Air Friday
UnInformed Consent IMMEDIATE RELEASE! - Please freely disseminate with copyright intact. UnInformed Consent On FRIDAY, November 28, 2003- 10:00AM CST Mercury vaporizing from an amalgam tooth in UV light. Courtesy of UnInformed Consent. ANDREW YATES will sit in for The LEGEND - MIKE MURPHY The Mike Murphy Show www.710KCMO.com 9:00 A.M. 11:00 A.M. (Central time) HAS GOVERNMENT BEEN SLEEPING WITH PHARMECUTIAL CARTELS? The Deliberately Hidden Dangers of Implanting Mercury In Vaccines and Dental Fillings FRIDAY NOVEMBER 28, 2003 (The day after Thanksgiving) 10:00 AM CST Guests scheduled are: Dr. Mark Geier MD and David Geier, researchers commissioned by US Congress to research the governments own database to find the truth for the American people. Standing by, Christy Diemond, executive producer of the new series, UnInformed Consent - Bringing back the publics right to know the truth. SEATTLE, WASHINGTON UNINFORMED CONSENT: Uninformed Consents pilot - Mercury, A Slow Death, is a powerful historical expose' documenting organized efforts to withhold vital information from the American public concerning the number one toxic chemical being exorcised from the environment today mercury. It is implanted in over 90% of America in two routine health procedures - amalgam dental fillings, and vaccines. In a truly fortuitous and selfless effort, copies of UnInformed Consent were hand delivered to each and every one of our US Congressmen. Never before has a film had such a revolutionary yet determined debut. Talk line is: (913) 576-7710. To listen on the internet, do the following: Go to: www.710KCMO.com Click on Listen Live Roll your mouse over listen online and click You be asked to register. (You must register or the audio stream will not work). Come up with a user name and a password. -- Media and for more in depth information on this developing story contact: UnInformed Consent - 425 487 2358/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit: www.uninformedconsent.com E-mail UnInformedConsent: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Copyright © 2003 QCI. All rights reserved. Republication and redissemination of the contents of this screen are expressly prohibited without QCI prior written consent. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Free Pop-Up Blocker - Get it now http://companion.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel
When you figure in the cost to fight forest fires and to rebuild after, biomass turned into electricity costs are looking better all the time. Not to mention, that if burned properly, atmospheric pollution could be greatly minimized, which would also lower health costs. I doubt if anyone will get subsidised for cleaning up the forests but, it is a good idea. I think that Murdoch is referring to the PMC Biomass Agripower, which is a 225 KW Brayton cycle CHP (combined heat and power) unit which will cost around a half million dolars to purchase. The company claims that there is only a 2 year payback if the operators have enough biomass to keep it running continuously and have a use for all that power. It shouldn't be too hard to set up semi trailers with huge battery banks to move the power from the woods to a place that can use the power. If this is true, then I for one would like to buy such a cheap utility company. kris book --- Heath Blount [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks, like all these are highly subsidized by PGE, which means the local energy dollar leaves northern California for NYSE. Not to mention the relative inefficiency of Wood to electric generation. A wood to hot water boiler for heating building space is much more efficient. Heath From: murdoch Reply-To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com CC: biofuels-biz@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED],[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [biofuel] forest fires and using wood biomass as fuel Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 09:08:03 -0800 http://www.covantaenergy.com/energy/biomass.php4 As I said a few months ago, I ran across this wood-biomass-to-electricity plant north of Sacramento this summer and was told by one local how clean it was, and how it allowed homeowners to have an option for clearing their land of some wood not-suitable-for-firewood-or-building. Later I learned that this was a few years old, but still, it seems relatively obscure. As Southern California and Denver and others now belatedly search for a better forest and fire policy, what I'd love to see is not so much any one measure as a cure-all but use of measures such as this in limited moderate ways, to help communities not only do a better job with fire prevention and mitigation, but also to generate power and make money. other links of interest that came up: http://www.calbiomass.org/county.htm (San Diego, San Bernadino, Orange, Los Angeles Counties not listed! Riverside has only one entry. These are the five disaster-area counties of the recent fires. If I'm not mistaken, San Bernadino is the single biggest county in the US or the lower 48. Much of it is desert, though certainly not all of it.) _ Fretting that your Hotmail account may expire because you forgot to sign in enough? Get Hotmail Extra Storage today! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Can this be the free energy machine we've been waiting for?
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[biofuel] GM crops giant Monsanto pulls out of Europe (two stories)
GM crops giant Monsanto pulls out of Europe By Robert Uhlig, Farming Correspondent (Filed: 16/10/2003) Monsanto, the American pioneer of genetically modified crops, said yesterday it was pulling out of its European cereal seed business. The move was widely seen as a sign that it has given up hopes of introducing GM cereals in Europe. It announced its decision on the eve of today's publication of results of farm-scale evaluations of GM crops, the final and most influential part of the Government's investigation into whether to allow GM crops to be grown commercially. The trials, which investigated the effect of GM maize, oilseed rape and sugar beet on farmland wildlife and biodiversity, are expected to give a mixed verdict on the technology. Two other Government reports on the economic benefits of growing GM crops and on scientific understanding of their environmental and health effects have also failed to present a strong case for rushing into commercial GM cultivation. There are also questions about the value of the GM maize trials, which did not take the vital factor of crop yield into account. Monsanto's announcement that it wants to sell its cereal development stations at Cambridge and in France, Germany and the Czech Republic, follows hardening resistance to GM crops throughout Europe. Insurers are not prepared to underwrite GM farmers and 98 per cent of 37,000 participants in GM Nation?, a public consultation, told the Government that they did not want GM crops or food. Jeff Cox, Monsanto's general manager for northern Europe, said the withdrawal from Europe was to allow the company to realign its business to focus on those projects that will best capitalise on in its market and technological strengths. He said the company needed to save up to £65 million and would be making one in 11 of its workers redundant worldwide. When Monsanto bought Plant Breeding International Cambridge from Unilever in 1998, Hugh Grant, then president of Monsanto's agricultural division, said that GM crops would be commercial reality in Britain by this year. Anti-GM lobbyists said the withdrawal was a sign that Monsanto was throwing in the towel in Europe. They said that with Canadian farmers campaigning hard against licensing Monsanto's GM wheat, the company was also facing severe resistance in North America. Pete Riley, of Friends of the Earth, said Monsanto was pulling out after five years with no products to show and no test sites for Monsanto GM cereals in Britain this year. He said: They are clearly backing off GM wheat in Europe, where until now they were the pioneer. This week Margot Wallstrom, the EU's environment commissioner, accused American biotechnology firms of lying about the benefits of GM technology and trying to force it on people. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/10/16/wmons16.xml; sSheet=/news/2003/10/16/ixnewstop.html Crops giant retreats from Europe ahead of GM report By Steve Connor, Science Editor 16 October 2003 Monsanto, the huge American biotechnology company which has pioneered GM crops, is withdrawing from many of its European operations and laying off up to two thirds of its British workers. The announcement came on the eve of the publication of the Government's GM crop trials today. They are expected to show that two out of three genetically modified crops in the tests may damage the environment. Tony Blair is thought to be in favour of GM crops, stressing the need for Britain to be in the vanguard of new industries that could be worth billions of pounds. But ministers will be under pressure to limit, or scrap, further development of GM crops in the face of public opposition. One industry insider said the international biotechnology business was becoming disillusioned with Europe's anti-GM stance. If there's no market for something, you go elsewhere, he said. The big companies are looking to China, South-east Asia and South America. Monsanto said its decision to pull out of conventional cereal crops in Europe was not related to the continent's moratorium on commercial growing of GM crops. But a spokeswoman added: Monsanto is obviously frustrated by the amount of time it has taken for GM crops to be accepted in Europe, but this decision is part of a much bigger global realignment. Monsanto said it was closing its multimillion-pound research centre in Cambridge with the loss of up to 80 highly skilled jobs. Employees heard of the decision for the first time yesterday afternoon even though the plan had been circulating among analysts outside the company earlier this
[biofuel] GOOD NEWS!!! OIL IS RUNNING OUT MUCH FASTER THAN EXPECTED
OIL AND GAS RUNNING OUT MUCH FASTER THAN EXPECTED, SAYS STUDY By Charles Arthur The Independent October 2, 2003 http://news.independent.co.uk/world/environment/story.jsp?story=449053 World oil and gas supplies are heading for a production crunch sometime between 2010 and 2020 when they cannot meet supply, because global reserves are 80 per cent smaller than had been thought, new forecasts suggest. Research presented this week at the University of Uppsala in Sweden claims that oil supplies will peak soon after 2010, and gas supplies not long afterwards, making the price of petrol and other fuels rocket, with potentially disastrous economic consequences unless people have moved to alternatives to fossil fuels. While forecasters have always known that such a date lies ahead, they have previously put it around 2050, and estimated that there would be time to shift energy use over to renewables and other non- fossil sources. But Kjell Aleklett, one of a team of geologists that prepared the report, said earlier estimates that the world's entire reserve amounts to 18,000 billion barrels of oil and gas -- of which about 1,000 billion has been used up so far -- were completely unrealistic. He, Anders Sivertsson and Colin Campbell told New Scientist magazine that less than 3,500 billion barrels of oil and gas remained in total. Dr James McKenzie, senior assistant on the climate change programme at the World Resources Institute in Washington, said: We won't run out of oil -- but what will happen is that production will decline, and that's when all hell will break loose. Present annual oil consumption is about 25 billion barrels, and shows no signs of slowing. That would suggest a production crunch -- where consumption grows to meet the maximum output -- within the next couple of decades. Dr McKenzie said that on this topic the argument split between economists and geologists. The economists think it will just force the price of oil up, which will mean it will become economic to extract it from all sorts of unusual places, such as tarry sands or deposits which are 90 per cent rock and 10 per cent oil. But the geologists say - you tell us where the deposits are and we'll find them. We've looked and we can't. One side-effect of having lower oil reserves might be that the worst predictions of climate change would be forestalled - because there would be less fuel to burn, and therefore less carbon dioxide, the greenhouse gas, produced. The Uppsala team's estimates are lower than any considered by the International Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), whose minimum estimate for the total reserves was 5,000 billion barrels. But Nebojsa Nakicenovic, an energy economist at the University of Vienna in Austria, who headed the IPCC team that produced the reserves forecasts, said the Swedish group were conservative, and that his team had taken into account a wider range of estimates. Dr Nakicenovic added that, if oil and gas began to run out, there's a huge amount of coal underground that could be exploited. Dr McKenzie said: We have to accept the fact of oil and gas production peaking, and get concerned with substitutes. It's not when will we run out, it's when will production be unable to meet demand. And 97 or 98 per cent of transport depends on it. You can use coal to make methanol to power your cars or buses. But the reality is that it's all about where the oil is. The Gulf countries - Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and the United Arab Emirates - produce about 25 per cent of the world's oil at the moment, and hold 65 per cent of the world's oil reserves. That's why we went to war in Iraq, said Dr McKenzie. Gas might have comparable reserves to oil, but it's not in the right place and we don't really have the infrastructure to transport it. __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The future looks bright for solar energy!!!!!
http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/10/02/solar.cells.reut/index.html STMicroelectronics, Europe's largest semiconductor maker, said that, by the end of next year, it expected to have made the first stable prototypes of the new cells, which could then be put into production. Most of today's solar cells, which convert sunlight into electricity, are produced with expensive silicon, the same material used in most semiconductors. The French-Italian company expects cheaper organic materials such as plastics to bring down the price of producing energy. Over a typical 20-year life span of a solar cell, a single produced watt should cost as little as $0.20, compared with the current $4. The new solar cells would even be able to compete with electricity generated by burning fossil fuels such as oil and gas, which costs about $0.40 per watt, said Salvo Coffa, who heads ST's research group that is developing the technology. This would revolutionize the field of solar energy generation, he said. ST's trick is to use materials that are less efficient in producing energy from sunlight but which are extremely cheap. Coffa said the materials should be able to turn at least 10 percent of the sun's energy into power, compared with some 20 percent for today's expensive silicon-based cells. We believe we can demonstrate 10 percent efficiency by the end of 2004, Coffa said. Following that, ST and others would need to develop production technologies to make solar cells and panels in large quantities to achieve the $0.20 per watt target, he said. Our target is fixed at $0.20, said Coffa, who expects no major technological difficulties in going from prototypes to mass-produced commercial products. Renewable energy is an essential part of research for ST, which says its chip and material expertise can be used to develop future solar cells and fuel cells. ST said three weeks ago it had found a new way to produce tiny yet extremely efficient fuel cells that could power a mobile phone for 20 days. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor TerraSoLuna ~TribeLeFay Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] New Technique Could Lead To Widespread Use Of Solar Power
New Technique Could Lead To Widespread Use Of Solar Power Princeton - Sep 12, 2003 http://www.spacedaily.com/news/solarcell-03e.html Princeton electrical engineers have invented a technique for making solar cells that, when combined with other recent advances, could yield a highly economical source of energy. The results, reported in the Sept. 11 issue of Nature, move scientists closer to making a new class of solar cells that are not as efficient as conventional ones, but could be vastly less expensive and more versatile. Solar cells, or photovoltaics, convert light to electricity and are used to power many devices, from calculators to satellites. The new photovoltaics are made from organic materials, which consist of small carbon-containing molecules, as opposed to the conventional inorganic, silicon-based materials. The materials are ultra-thin and flexible and could be applied to large surfaces. Organic solar cells could be manufactured in a process something like printing or spraying the materials onto a roll of plastic, said Peter Peumans, a graduate student in the lab of electrical engineering professor Stephen Forrest. In the end, you would have a sheet of solar cells that you just unroll and put on a roof, he said. Peumans and Forrest cowrote the paper in collaboration with Soichi Uchida, a researcher visiting Princeton from Nippon Oil Co. The cells also could be made in different colors, making them attractive architectural elements, Peumans said. Or they could be transparent so they could be applied to windows. The cells would serve as tinting, letting half the light through and using the other half to generate power, he said. Because of these qualities, researchers have pursued organic photovoltaic films for many years, but have been plagued with problems of efficiency, said Forrest. The first organic solar cell, developed in 1986, was 1 percent efficient -- that is, it converted only 1 percent of the available light energy into electrical energy. And that number stood for about 15 years, said Forrest. Forrest and colleagues recently broke that barrier by changing the organic compounds used to make their solar cells, yielding devices with efficiencies of more than 3 percent. The most recent advance reported in Nature involves a new method for forming the organic film, which increased the efficiency by 50 percent. Researchers in Forrest's lab are now planning to combine the new materials and techniques. Doing so could yield at least 5 percent efficiency, which would make the technology attractive to commercial manufacturers. With further commercial development, organic solar devices would be viable in the marketplace with 5 to 10 percent efficiency, the researchers estimated. We think we have pathway for using this and other tricks to get to 10 percent reasonably quickly, Forrest said. By comparison, conventional silicon chip-based solar cells are about 24 percent efficient. Organic solar cells will be cheaper to make, so in the end the cost of a watt of electricity will be lower than that of conventional materials, said Peumans. The technique the researchers discovered also opens new areas of materials science that could be applied to other types of technology, the researchers said. Solar cells are made of two types of materials sandwiched together, one that gives up electrons and another that attracts them, allowing a flow of electricity. The Princeton researchers figured out how to make those two materials mesh together like interlocking fingers so there is more opportunity for the electrons to transfer. The key to this advance was to apply a metal cap to the film of material as it is being made. The cap allowed the surface of the material to stay smooth and uniform while the internal microstructure changed and meshed together, which was an unexpected result, said Forrest. The researchers then developed a mathematical model to explain the behavior, which will likely prove useful in creating other micromaterials, Forrest said. We've shown a very new and general process for reorganizing the morphology of materials and that was really unanticipated, Forrest said. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor TerraSoLuna ~TribeLeFay Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511
[biofuel] Yellowstone: A MONSTER THAT COULD DESTROY LIFE ON EARTH AWAKENS?
A MONSTER THAT COULD DESTROY LIFE ON EARTH AWAKENS Posted By: IanGurney Date: Wednesday, 10 September 2003, 7:11 p.m. A Monster Awakens? by Ian Gurney. Published in the UK Daily Express. 10th. September 2003. In the heart of America lies a monster that could destroy life on earth. Part of America's Yellowstone National Park was closed to visitors on July 23rd. this year and remains closed today due to high ground temperatures and increased thermal activity in the park. National Park Superintendent Suzanne Lewis said that A portion of the Norris Geyser Basin on the west side of the park has been closed.* On August 7th. the United States Geological Survey (USGS) reported that scientists were planning to set up a temporary network of seismographs, Global Positioning System receivers and thermometers to monitor increasing hydrothermal activity in the Norris Geyser Basin and gauge the risk of a hydrothermal explosion.** On August 10th. the Denver Post reported that Liz Morgan, a U.S. Geological Survey research geologist had discovered a huge bulge underneath Yellowstone Lake that had risen 100 feet from the lake floor. The bulge is two thousand feet long and has the potential to explode at any time. Morgan was quoted as saying that The inflated plain is a potential and serious hazard and possible precursor to a large hydrothermal explosion event.*** Then, on August 24th. The University of Utah Seismograph Station reported that a magnitude 4.4 earthquake occurred just 9 miles southeast of the southern entrance to Yellowstone National Park. USGS scientists agreed that the earthquake was uncommon in that it was a very shallow earthquake, occuring just 0.3 miles below the surface. Jacob Lowenstern, a researcher for the U.S. Geological Survey and scientist-in-charge of the Yellowstone Volcano Observatory said: Our goal is to understand what's driving this volcanic system, and are there indications it could be moving into a period of unrest?* This worrying situation was confirmed on September 8th. by Dr. Bruce Cornet, a geologist and paleobotanist with the USGS, who explained: Steam pressure is apparently building again in Yellowstone, and hydrothermal fluids and steam are working their way up through fractures and vents. If more steam vents appear, that means a continuous pathway for pressure release has been established to the magma chamber. If that happens, the pressure in the magma chamber will continue to drop until it reaches a critical stage when the superheated water within the magma explodes. Unfortunately, as the steam venting subsides, there will be a false sense of security. People will think it was just another cyclical event, and the danger is over. But that will be the farthest from the truth. It will be the quiet before the storm.** Initially this should be of little or no consequence to anyone apart from those planning to visit Yellowstone.except for one thing. Lurking beneath Yellowstone National Park is one of the most destructive natural phenomena in the world - a massive supervolcano. Only a handful exist in the world but when one erupts the explosion will be heard around the globe. The sky will darken, black acid rain will fall, and the Earth will be plunged into the equivalent of a nuclear winter. It could push humanity to the brink of extinction. Volcanoes have always been a threat to humanity. The Tambora eruption in Indonesia in 1815 killed more than 90,000 people, while the Krakatau eruption in 1883, also in Indonesia, killed 36,000. The last supervolcano to erupt was Toba in Sumatra 74,000 years ago. It created a global catastrophe that dramatically affected life on Earth. Toba blasted so much ash and sulphur dioxide into the stratosphere that it blocked out the sun, causing the Earth's temperature to plummet, and possibly reducing the population on Earth to just a few thousand people. For a long time scientists have known that volcanic ash can affect the global climate. The fine ash and sulphur dioxide blasted into the stratosphere reflects solar radiation back into space and stops sunlight reaching the planet. Temperatures drop dramatically and nothing grows, causing mass starvation. Bill McGuire, professor of geohazards at the Benfield Greig Hazard Research Centre at University College London, says that America's Yellowstone Park is one of the largest and most dangerous supervolcanoes in the world. The Yellowstone volcano can be likened to a sleeping dragon, says Professor McGuire, whose slow breathing brings repeated swelling and sinking of the Earth's crust in northern Wyoming and southern Montana. Professor McGuire went on to explain that: Many
[biofuel] This is the truth, in my opinion!!!!
The unbridgeable chasm of doubt Why faith and government don't mix By John Kaminski [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8-25-03 Sometimes, what is obvious to some remains invisible to others. Why this is so usually involves matters of preconceived beliefs. We all have selective memories. From the relationship between two people to how each of us perceives the whole world, we see what we are able to see and tend to ignore those things we can't comprehend. We choose to see what continues to make us comfortable, and tend to avoid what threatens our world view. Often what we choose not to see turns out to be the most important thing of all, and we suffer for it. And it just makes it worse when you know you saw it, and didn't do anything about it. Two people can get together and each insist that one loves the other, but often neither can perceive what the other is saying, because their frames of reference are either too different, or something in the behavior of one sends one a signal that his words are not to be trusted, or she is not being sincere, even though both believe their sincerity is beyond question. From such dilemmas, wars and divorces erupt like poison mushrooms in a darkened yard. This unbridgeable chasm of doubt has been recently made vivid to me on several levels, though in the interests of decorum, I will say no more about this phenomenon as it has affected me on a personal level, except to mention that someone I loved whom I thought had abandoned me had in fact not done so, once a few misunderstood words were better understood. On a larger level, I see a terrible legacy of cruelty reaching new heights and emanating from the inexplicable unwillingness of the American people not to clearly see the true character of events so disastrously unfolding before their eyes. The power of Old Glory waving in the winds of memory, perhaps, keeps so many from seeing so much, from truly believing that those we would venerate and respect could do harm to us - willing, pernicious, lethal harm. And it is precisely this faith in American society - this socially reinforced mythos - that allows rich criminals to get away with what they do, as they hide behind the very trust they exploit. It is part of a penalty to be paid when you mix faith and government. People who've worked hard all their lives and enjoyed the modest successes of home and family are not eager to denounce a system that has given them such a good life. And those who aren't paying attention - and today, exclusively watching TV means you're not getting the information you need - do not fully realize that everything has changed, that the admired American principles that always seemed to be envied by the world are not only no longer in force, but perhaps possibly never even existed at all. Such is the case with many when you try to tell them that our leaders not only had foreknowledge but also helped arrange some of the most unspeakable crimes this planet has ever witnessed. Go ahead, just try to tell someone you think George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 horror in advance. Their eyes just roll, and they sputter, Go live in another country and see what it's like. The facts you can muster to support such an assertion do not really matter to them, because they have chosen not to 'go there.' It becomes a little less difficult when you talk about Iraq, and easier still for those with some familiarity with the Internet, because they at least have been exposed to alternative, more authentic viewpoints than those exclusively expressed on the corporate controlled propaganda TV networks. On TV there are no innocent Iraqi civilians (read: woman and children) being gunned down by panicked American soldiers, nor American soldiers getting sick and preparing to die from the radioactive ammunition their government furnished them and told them was safe. But 9/11 is one of those things that it is impossible to communicate to those many naive souls who just cannot believe that the leaders of this country would countenance something so repugnant merely to steal a few billion dollars. Many of you have doubtless heard such distressed responses. Oh, they would never do something like that. They could never get away with it. Equally, many of you doubtless know that these same leaders have in fact perpetrated these very deeds, and you realize in your heart that their pious phrases of patriotism are just so much smoke to screen the cash they pocketed for participating in the deadly deceptions. But for most to seriously consider that the terror tragedy of 9/11 was a staged event devised to usher in a new era of corporate plunder throughout the world requires a total reevaluation
[biofuel] Fwd: ~TerraSoLuna~ [Fwd: CNVN: Memorize and pass it on]
Forwarded from another list. I can't be sure that this is true but, it sure makes more sense to me than any mainstream media news I can find. I believe that both the Left and the Right are crooked as a dog's hind leg and that all politicans are crooks if they stay around long to be important to some special interest greoup. I do leave an allowance for an occasional honest politician but, I don't know of one that has been honest for the long haul. I also believe that those at the top of the corporate rule ladder ignore people like me, because they are sure that they have enough mindless boobs under their propaganda umbrella to continue the Status Quo indefinitely. kris Ah - I didn't even notice until just now WHO the author of this wonderful article is. Eno remains at the top of my pops ;) Original Message http://observer.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,1020303,00.html _ The problem is not propaganda but the relentless control of the kind of things we think about COMMENT - The Observer (London) Sunday August 17, 2003 Brian Eno _ When I first visited Russia, in 1986, I made friends with a musician whose father had been Brezhnev's personal doctor. One day we were talking about life during 'the period of stagnation' - the Brezhnev era. 'It must have been strange being so completely immersed in propaganda,' I said. 'Ah, but there is the difference. We knew it was propaganda,' replied Sacha. That is the difference. Russian propaganda was so obvious that most Russians were able to ignore it. They took it for granted that the government operated in its own interests and any message coming from it was probably slanted - and they discounted it. In the West the calculated manipulation of public opinion to serve political and ideological interests is much more covert and therefore much more effective. Its greatest triumph is that we generally don't notice it - or laugh at the notion it even exists. We watch the democratic process taking place - heated debates in which we feel we could have a voice - and think that, because we have 'free' media, it would be hard for the Government to get away with anything very devious without someone calling them on it. It takes something as dramatic as the invasion of Iraq to make us look a bit more closely and ask: 'How did we get here?' How exactly did it come about that, in a world of Aids, global warming, 30-plus active wars, several famines, cloning, genetic engineering, and two billion people in poverty, practically the only thing we all talked about for a year was Iraq and Saddam Hussein? Was it really that big a problem? Or were we somehow manipulated into believing the Iraq issue was important and had to be fixed right now - even though a few months before few had mentioned it, and nothing had changed in the interim. In the wake of the events of 11 September 2001, it now seems clear that the shock of the attacks was exploited in America. According to Sheldon Rampton and John Stauber in their new book Weapons of Mass Deception , it was used to engineer a state of emergency that would justify an invasion of Iraq. Rampton and Stauber expose how news was fabricated and made to seem real. But they also demonstrate how a coalition of the willing - far-Right officials, neo-con think-tanks, insanely pugilistic media commentators and of course well-paid PR companies - worked together to pull off a sensational piece of intellectual dishonesty. Theirs is a study of modern propaganda. What occurs to me in reading their book is that the new American approach to social control is so much more sophisticated and pervasive that it really deserves a new name. It isn't just propaganda any more, it's 'prop-agenda '. It's not so much the control of what we think, but the control of what we think about. When our governments want to sell us a course of action, they do it by making sure it's the only thing on the agenda, the only thing everyone's talking about. And they pre-load the ensuing discussion with highly selected images, devious and prejudicial language, dubious linkages, weak or false 'intelligence' and selected 'leaks'. (What else can the spat between the BBC and Alastair Campbell be but a prime example of this?) With the ground thus prepared, governments are happy if you then 'use the democratic process' to agree or disagree - for, after all, their intention is to mobilise enough headlines and conversation to make the whole thing seem real and urgent. The more emotional the debate, the better. Emotion creates reality, reality demands action. An example of this process is one highlighted by Rampton and Stauber which, more than any other, consolidated
Re: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News
You know Todd, IMHO the worst thing about the majority of Americans these days is just that, they somehow feel that being a U.S. citizen elevates them above the rest of the world's population. Somehow, they think poor people don't have the same desires to see to their families needs. It seems to be impossible for them to realize that unless we Americans (and I mean all of us) insure that every human enjoys equal rights, very soon we will have the same rights as those folks in Iraq or Afghanistan have and we will watch our children die of starvation, bad water, and poor sanitation. What we need is a war on greed! In my book, capitalism will work just fine as long as everyone plays fair and only takes their share of the pie. People like the Bushes have gone from everyday kind of folks to the richest one percent in one generation just by being ruthless and cunning. The Shrub sure didn't get anywhere on his ethics or intelligence. The man is morally bankrupt, yet most folks think he's a good Christian. What a country! kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Low on Ink? Get 80% off inkjet cartridges Free Shipping at 77Colors.com. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark, Canon, Compaq and more! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5981 http://us.click.yahoo.com/DmnqpB/IyhGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] what is more polluting coal? or wvo?
I just searched for an hour to no avail to find an article I read a while back, which stated that the methane released just from mining coal is the single greatest polluter of all. Does anyone know if this is true? kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Fwd: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News
Today is moving day (we're going back to Colorado), so I've decided to put off kicking some right wing ass until I get resettled. Mr Thompson, you obviously have joined the wrong list, the liberals around here have disposed of all the brainwashed right wingers except for Marc and even he isn't very vocal any more. If you persist in posting your conservative BS, you'll receive far more than you bargained for. Keith and Todd have proven to be very good sending righties scurrying for cover and then you have the second team which is growing larger every day. After Bush is impeached, I'm sure you conservatives will change your tune. kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 11:06:18 -0500 Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News Always good to see compassionate conservatism in action. Serves as a wakeup call. While you're at it why don't you summon up a little more bile and start declaring every Nam vet who ever wrote home about the insanity, or for that matter anyone ever deployed in a war or peace keeping situation who expressed their concerns and reservations that they're all whiners. Better still, you could go through the historical record and stamp everyone who doesn't display your hawkish attitude as a whimp and a whiner. If the truth be told, it's probably a sure bet that some of your own letters home would reveal you to be of the same stripe that you derogatorily accuse others of being. But now that you're out of that sphere you can boast about how big and brave you were. No soiled johns in your history, eh? Time for a gut check Mr. Thompson. Sure is easy to suck it up when there's no threat wafting by your tent flap, billet, guard post or fox hole any longer. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: william d thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News It disturbs me that anyone would consider a call from former VP Al Gore as Great News How soon some forget how misleading and misled he was when his was the second highest elected office in the country. Forgotten is the complicity and duplicity of the administration that led to many indictments for things that happened under his watch, and the impeachment of his direct supervisor, William Jefferson Clinton. Where was this great whistle blower then? Why would anyone want to trade a suspected liar for a known liar? Talk about getting swept up in their own enthusiasm! What a blatant one sided (D) (D) (D) distortion of an issue. It is never, has never, will never be easy to be on active duty when you know you and your significant other sleep in separate beds. If the whine of the weak and uninformed is allowed to influence any leadership, any system will become mired into inaction. When anyone puts on a uniform of the US military and thinks they might not get activated, it is their own wishful thinking and utter stupidity at work. Read your pocket flap, idiot, it does not say National Guard, it says U.S.ARMY. Go back and read some history and find out what that meant and still means. This is an emotional issue, not a factual issue. At the time of the end of an enlistment is when we can all say, I do not want to do this any longer. Until then, whether you like it or not, you have raised your paw and voluntarily obligated yourself for a certain number of months. If lying is such a bad thing (and I agree it is) why would anyone give consideration to this woman who is now saying she lied when she affirmed or swore allegiance? Are members of the armed services deprived of their constitutional rights? No, they have voluntarily surrendered them to be replaced with the Universal Code of Military Justice. Did they know it at the time? Maybe not, but ignorance is no excuse even apart from the military. This is not I don't want to play any more. Look up the meaning of the word SACRIFICE in any dictionary. It is not a cheap word. There is a lot of blood, sweat and tears that are involved in that meaning. Why did I wear Navy blue for six years and Army OD green for nine years? I saw something that I thought was of benefit to me. There were many times it was not of benefit to me, but it did not release me from my freely given obligation to honor my word. I can see how this whining woman and her husband and Al Gore belong together on the same post. On Fri, 8 Aug 2003 18:41:51 -0700 (PDT) Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear MoveOn member, Two weeks ago, we received a call from former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Gore explained that he was deeply concerned about the President's pattern
[biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News
Dear MoveOn member, Two weeks ago, we received a call from former Vice President Al Gore. Mr. Gore explained that he was deeply concerned about the President's pattern of misleading the public -- most recently on Iraq, but also on the environment, the economy, and a host of other domestic issues. He said he was working on a major policy speech, and he wanted to give it to MoveOn members and with MoveOn's sponsorship. MoveOn was a good partner, he said, because so many MoveOn members are engaging in the national conversation about the direction of our country. Today, at NYU, over 600 MoveOn members gathered to hear the address. Attendance was so high that the crowd filled two overflow rooms and spilled out into the halls, and over 100 members of the national press corps was there -- every major media outlet in the country and scores of international outlets as well. CNN and MSNBC covered the speech live. Gore's speech reflected and built upon what over 400,000 MoveOn members have been saying for months now about the evidence on Iraq: In the rush to war, the President misled the country. Here's an excerpt: I mentioned the feeling many have that something basic has gone wrong. Whatever it is, I think it has a lot to do with the way we seek the truth and try in good faith to use facts as the basis for debates about our future -- allowing for the unavoidable tendency we all have to get swept up in our enthusiasms. That last point is worth highlighting. Robust debate in a democracy will almost always involve occasional rhetorical excesses and leaps of faith, and we're all used to that. I've even been guilty of it myself on occasion. But there is a big difference between that and a systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic honesty. Unfortunately, I think it is no longer possible to avoid the conclusion that what the country is dealing with in the Bush Presidency is the latter. That is really the nub of the problem -- the common source for most of the false impressions that have been frustrating the normal and healthy workings of our democracy. You can read the entire speech transcript, and, by 5pm EST today, view streaming video of the event at our homepage: http://www.moveon.org At a time when some politicians are scared to take a stand, it's tremendously heartening to see statesmen like Al Gore take the President on. And it's MoveOn members like yourself that made this happen. By consistently speaking out on the important issues, you've helped make MoveOn a powerful voice for a better future. Thank you. Amazingly, Al Gore's speech is just one piece of the good news. On a host of other fronts, our campaign to press Congress to demand the truth on the distortion of evidence in Iraq is gaining great momentum. Here's our full report: --- MEMBERS OF CONGRESS READ MOVEON COMMENTS ON THE HOUSE FLOOR In early July, a number of Members of Congress contacted us to let us know that they'd be reading MoveOn members' comments on the House floor from the petition to establish an independent commission on Iraq intelligence. Since then, night after night, Representatives like Barbara Lee (D-CA), Sherrod Brown (D-OH), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), and Lynn Woolsey (D-CA) have taken the floor to highlight your powerful words. Here's a short excerpt from Congressman Brown's remarks: A hundred sixty-five years ago, Madam Speaker, the United States Congress, amazingly enough, the House of Representatives, passed a rule prohibiting its Members from debating the great issue of slavery, the greatest blemish on American history. In those days, John Quincy Adams, former President, then elected to the House of Representatives, came down to the well of the House week after week reading letters from his constituents, reading what he called petitions from groups in his State of Massachusetts, many of them written by women in women's clubs, women who actually could not in those days, as we all know, vote in American elections. He read these letters protesting this rule prohibiting the discussion of slavery and protesting the institution of slavery itself. Today, we find ourselves in a Congress where this Congress has refused to discuss and investigate what exactly the President did and said about weapons of mass destruction. As the gentlewoman from Illinois (Ms. Schakowsky) said earlier in the evening, an organization called MoveOn.org, an organization of 1 1/2 million Americans, tens of thousands in my State of Ohio, asked its members to sign an on-line petition saying that we believe Congress should support an independent commission to investigate the Bush administration's distortion of evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction
[biofuel] Keep an eye on your wallet
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Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen-fueled cars not the best way to cut pollution, greenhouse gases and oil dependency, says expert
Darren, While I don't have a scientific background, simple logic dictates that there must be a few more renewable resources available to charge hydrogen fuel cells. For one, what about constructing wind farms on the world's highest mountains to take advantage of the jet stream resources to create electricity. By constructing these power plants underground, the severe climate on the top of mountains would be no problem, since the temperature below frost line is always around 55F. I've also been following the developments at Cal Berkeley and in Colorado, where they are experimenting with algae to make hydrogen. They speculate that a pond the size of a backyard swimming pool could fuel up to ten cars permanently. Check out: http://classic.sacbee.com/news/news/old/local03_2215.html And finally, there has to be a way to harness the power of the oceeans to make electricity ecologically and economically. kris book --- strcoach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I must tend to disagree with most of the negative hydrogen statements and feelings. I have actually worked on a hydrogen powered car; in fact, three cars at Middle Tennessee State University in 1991. So, hydrogen technology has been around for awhile. Also, we used a hydride tank to store the hydrogen in the car as a solid. Hot water from the radiator released the hydrogen back into its gaseous state. We used an electrolysis unit to break H2O into the hydrogen and oxygen components; therefore, the hydrogen doesn't need to come from natural gas. Since we operated in Tennessee, the electricity for the unit is generated via the TVA and dams on rivers. This is a renewable souce of energy that few talk about. As long as we have water and rivers, we have hydro-electric power. We ran the cars in Tennessee off the hydride tank. We raced the cars at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, in a special division for hydrogen powered vehicles during Speed Week. One car ran off ethynol and hydrogen, one off gasoline and hydrogen, and one off pure hydrogen. For the race we used bottled H2, though, to increase performance. Hydrogen technology must surely have come a long way in 12 years. Hydrogen would be a great fuel for combustion engines. As for greenhouse gasses, all that is released from the combustion of hydrogen is water. Darren Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Important Health Articles From Nexus Magazine
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[biofuel] Could this be true???????
http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/chapter4/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free shipping on all inkjet cartridge refill kit orders to US Canada. Low prices up to 80% off. We have your brand: HP, Epson, Lexmark more. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5510 http://us.click.yahoo.com/GHXcIA/n.WGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Big Agriculture vs. Sustainable Production
Denver Post perspective Big Agriculture vs. sustainable production The future of farming By Paul D. Johnson Sunday, June 15, 2003 - The industrialization of agriculture seemed inevitable. The loss of farmers, soil and rural communities apparently was deemed a small price to pay to create the most efficient food system in the world: a vertically integrated wonder that uses eight calories of fossil fuel to produce a single calorie of food. But the sanity and safety of this food system are finally being debated and challenged. Our government must protect the fairness of the food market, and our public universities must provide an unbiased forum for the growing concerns about industrial agriculture. For the past several decades, these institutions have been missing in action. The consolidation came so quickly. While this country's population more than doubled between 1933 and today, the number of farms fell from 7 million to 2.16 million, with 170,000 of them accounting for 68 percent of production. The Department of Agriculture reported this year that the number of hog farms has fallen 70 percent since 1990. Their independent market is essentially gone, as is that for chickens. Beef is following. The number of dairies dropped 37 percent from 1992 to 2000, according to the American Farm Bureau. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops reports that three companies now account for 81 percent of U.S. corn exports and 65 percent of soybean exports. And in Kansas, control of the grain trade has fallen to two corporations. Meanwhile, adjusted for inflation, from 1984 to 1998 consumer food prices increased 3 percent while the prices paid to farmers dropped 36 percent. In 1999, Americans spent $619 billion on U.S. food but only an estimated $121 billion found its way to farmers. The bottom line is pretty simple: cheap foreign labor, controlled producers, inadequate environmental regulation and markets dominated by a handful of huge corporations. On this list is neither the health of the land nor the health of our communities. But despite agribusiness' clever use and sponsorship of the media, this country's food and farm debate finally is getting notice. There are many critical questions being asked about the consequences of our food system: Is there a connection between the epidemic of obesity and this country's fast-food diet? As animals have been moved off pasture and medicated to survive confinement, is the overuse of antibiotics in animals resulting in resistance in the bacteria that sicken humans? When pesticides were genetically embedded in corn, why wasn't it tested long-term? What are the health implications of genetically modified foods in general? As Living Downstream writer and biologist Sandra Steingraber has asked, what are the long-term consequences of the synthetic chemicals found in pregnant women's amniotic fluid? Are rural Missouri men's sperm counts so much lower than those of men in cities because of agricultural chemicals, as researchers suspect? As a few corporations have taken control of the seed business and meat packing, what constitutes an antitrust violation? We have a right to expect our government and public universities to address these questions resolutely for all farmers, consumers and taxpayers. Our agricultural colleges, the land-grant universities, are dependent enough on corporate money that what they research is powerfully swayed. But their funding is primarily with tax dollars, and there should be vigorous debate on what they do. Public and basic research on sustainable and organic farming will probably be done nowhere else. Though the federal government has broad antitrust authority, no serious effort to investigate the loss of independent food markets has been made in the past 20 years. With the help of former agribusiness scientists, the Food and Drug Administration has ruled that genetically engineered food is substantially equivalent to regular food and needs no long-term testing or labeling. An estimated 60 percent of the processed food in grocery stores today contains genetically modified ingredients derived from such widely bioengineered crops as soybeans and corn. Federal farm programs have accelerated the concentration of farms and farm wealth. USDA payment data sorted by the Environmental Working Group show that 60 percent of commodity payments go to 10 percent of the recipients. Federal research dollars primarily subsidize chemical, biotech and intensive production methods to the benefit of agribusiness. Helping farmers lower input costs, improve soil quality and gain a greater share of the consumer's food dollar are not priorities. As a nation, we are probably spending enough on agriculture. The problem is our priorities. A sensible farm bill would challenge the agricultural markets'
[biofuel] ET Re: Solar energy
I was just reading about a solar concentrator that is claimed to be more economical than other sources of renewable energy. Unfortunately, there is very little in the hard facts department of this web site, so we will have to wait and see. Check it out: http://www.idealab.com/frame.tp?http://www.energyinnovations.com kris --- ONG San Guan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I am interested in Solar energy for conversion to electricity and heating for bath water or warmth. Any possibility in high altitude area with high UV content like Yunnan, China. Any technical drawings of parts that make a whole to start off with? Would you help me to help the poor highland tribal people. Regards.EONG ___ -Original Message- From: Grahams [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10 July 2003 09:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Dead car I am doing a solar project for the next two days. I will try to get back with more car info for those interested. The manual in the glovebox has 1986 on it. I would assume this is the correct year. As for other info, I will look ASAP. If anyone is still interested, feel free to contact me directly. Caroline Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/sOykFB/k9VGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Seems kinda fishy that Bushy missed that physical exam: wasBring them on!
Is anyone familiar with President Bush's military service record ?? http://www.motherjones.com/news/outfront/2003/02/ma_217_01.html --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wednesday it was We didn't ask for this war, even though he did everything but beg for it. Thursday it was Bring them on. Brave words when it's not his life in the gun sights. http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/07/03/national1535EDT0647.DTL Democrats assail Bush's 'bring them on' comment ALEX ORTOLANI, Associated Press Writer (07-03) 15:04 PDT CONCORD, N.H. (AP) -- Is anyone familiar with President Bush's military service record ?? ~~~ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save up to 80% on top-quality inkjet cartridges and get your order fast! FREE shipping on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. Shop at Myinks.com! http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/v2G7ND/KfUGAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: Fw: Impeach Bush! Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser
- Forwarded Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: SUN, 29 JUN 2003 21:52:01 -0400 Subject: Impeach Bush! Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Impeach Bush! Echoes Through Bush Fundraiser; A Message from Ramsey Clark on Letters to the Editor; Each One, Reach One Campaign Takes Off Dear VoteToImpeach Member, In the last week, the movement to impeach George W. Bush has entered a new and exciting phase. The call for Bush's impeachment, which we have begun as a mass grassroots campaign, is increasingly the focus of commentary in the electronic and print media, on the Internet, and in swelling street demonstrations that have confronted George W. Bush as he engages in a whirlwind fundraising tour. While George W. Bush was handed millions of dollars from his wealthy constituency at fundraising events this past week, the impeachment movement made its voice heard in the streets outside. On Friday, June 27, thousands of demonstrators, including anti-war activists and members of the VoteToImpeach.org campaign, confronted Bush on two separate occasions, in Los Angeles and San Francisco. The effectiveness of the demonstrators resonated far beyond Bush's ballrooms and was reported by media around the world. [D]emonstrators shouting for US President George W. Bush's impeachment gathered outside a hotel here where the president was helping raise $3.6 million for his re-election campaign. The protesters accused Bush of lying about the presence of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, a central justification for the US-British invasion of Iraq in March, reads the Daily Telegraph and Melbourne Herald in Australia and many other news reports around the world. The demonstrators' calls for impeachment were so loud and spirited that they could be heard throughout the hotel in Los Angeles while Bush conducted his $2,000 per plate fund-raiser. At the same time that Bush told a crowd of south California's elite that I'm loosening up, the lobby of the Century Plaza Hotel ballroom was echoing with the chants of Stop Bush! Bush Lied! and Where are the Weapons of Mass Destruction? and Impeach! Please help support the VoteToImpeach Campaign. You can make a contribution online through our secure server by clicking above or by writing a check to VoteToImpeach c/o 1901 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Suite 607 Washington, DC 20006. (Donations are not tax deductible.) June 27, 2003 Bush fundraiser in San Francisco (photo, Eric Wagner, SF Indymedia)Bush was also confronted by thousands of demonstrators in San Francisco where he held a fund-raising luncheon on Friday. The Associated Press reports, Many protestors called for Bush's impeachment for what they called his misleading the nation into a war with Iraq. On June 23, thousands of demonstrators gathered outside the Sheraton Hotel in midtown Manhattan for another bush fund-raiser. Associated Press reported that many demonstrators were collecting signatures on the www.VoteToImpeach.org petitions calling for Bush's impeachment. You can download petitions calling for impeachment by clicking here. A Message From Ramsey Clark: Write a Letter to the Editor To the VoteToImpeach Membership: One of the few ways the issue of impeachment and faith in the Constitution can find their way into the corporate controlled media is through Letters to the Editor. Help the truth set the American people free and take back the Constitution. Write newspapers and periodicals, large and small, proclaiming the duty of those who care about truth and the Constitution to demand the impeachment of President Bush and his chosen few. Bush and Co. have lied about weapons of mass destruction and the grave threat Iraq posed to the United States, have violated the Constitution, the Nuremberg Charter and Geneva Conventions by waging wars of aggression against Afghanistan, Iraq and threatening other nations, summarily executing and killing tens of thousands of people while leading a growing number, now over 200, young American men and women in the U.S. Armed Forces to death in their criminal war and occupation of Iraq. They have attacked the civil rights and civil liberties of the people of the United States in their efforts to tear apart the Bill of Rights and reverse decades of hard-won social justice accomplishments. Let's let our friends, neighbors and communities know about the efforts to impeach George W. Bush, Richard B. Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld and John Ashcroft, and how they can join this campaign. Sincerely, Ramsey Clark Send copies of your Letters to the Editor to your Congressperson, and send us a copy of your published letters either by e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or by mail to VoteToImpeach c/o 1901 Pennsylvania Ave. NW, Suite 607, Washington, DC 20006 - and be sure to let us know where your
Re: [biofuel] McDonald's Tries To Phase Out Use of Antibiotics In Meat
Keith, I have some very good news for folks who are suffering from the ill effects that Staphylococcus aureus bacteria cause. My wife (a quadriplegic) was infected by using a contaminated ventilator in our local hospital. She received two complete treatments of vancomyacin (14 days of IV injections with no relief). For two years I gave her just about every immune system enhancer I could find. She got olive leaf, grapefruit seed extract, oil of wild oregano, and suma (Peruvian gensing) at least twice a day but, the MRSA (staph infection) hung on. Then a couple of months ago, I started researching colloidial silver (CS). More specifically, I read everything I could find about nebulizing (delivering it into her lungs in a fine mist). There seemed to be as many Web sites con as pro CS, so I started nebulizing myself for a couple of weeks to see if I would have a negative experience before trying it on my wife. I then started giving her treatments four times a day with not many good results to report. Then one day I found an article that explained that while CS kills over 650 different kinds of bad bacterias it is not like drugs where the body builds up an accumulation. The article went on to explain that CS treatments every couple of hours would show almost immediate results. About a week later we were getting some labs run and I asked the technician to please also check for staph infection. None could be found. I've read that CS can also be drunk to help with intestinal tract problems, swirled in the mouth to heal peridontal disease, used on any type skin conditions, and even relieves the itch caused by insect bites. My family is now using it in all these modes and I will report on the results as they become evident. kris __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Former Aide Takes Aim at War on Terror
By Laura Blumenfeld, Monday, June 16, 2003; Page A01 Washingtonpost.com Five days before the war began in Iraq, as President Bush prepared to raise the terrorism threat level to orange, a top White House counterterrorism adviser unlocked the steel door to his office, an intelligence vault secured by an electronic keypad, a combination lock and an alarm. He sat down and turned to his inbox. Things were dicey, said Rand Beers, recalling the stack of classified reports about plots to shoot, bomb, burn and poison Americans. He stared at the color-coded threats for five minutes. Then he called his wife: I'm quitting. Beers's resignation surprised Washington, but what he did next was even more astounding. Eight weeks after leaving the Bush White House, he volunteered as national security adviser for Sen. John F. Kerry (Mass.), a Democratic candidate for president, in a campaign to oust his former boss. All of which points to a question: What does this intelligence insider know? The administration wasn't matching its deeds to its words in the war on terrorism. They're making us less secure, not more secure, said Beers, who until now has remained largely silent about leaving his National Security Council job as special assistant to the president for combating terrorism. As an insider, I saw the things that weren't being done. And the longer I sat and watched, the more concerned I became, until I got up and walked out. No single issue has defined the Bush presidency more than fighting terrorism. And no issue has both animated and intimidated Democrats. Into this tricky intersection of terrorism, policy and politics steps Beers, a lifelong bureaucrat, unassuming and tight-lipped until now. He is an unlikely insurgent. He served on the NSC under Presidents Ronald Reagan, George H.W. Bush, Bill Clinton and the current Bush. The oath of office hangs on the wall by his bed; he tears up when he watches The West Wing. Yet Beers decided that he wanted out, and he is offering a rare glimpse in. Counterterrorism is like a team sport. The game is deadly. There has to be offense and defense, Beers said. The Bush administration is primarily offense, and not into teamwork. In a series of interviews, Beers, 60, critiqued Bush's war on terrorism. He is a man in transition, alternately reluctant about and empowered by his criticism of the government. After 35 years of issuing measured statements from inside intelligence circles, he speaks more like a public servant than a public figure. Much of what he knows is classified and cannot be discussed. Nevertheless, Beers will say that the administration is underestimating the enemy. It has failed to address the root causes of terror, he said. The difficult, long-term issues both at home and abroad have been avoided, neglected or shortchanged and generally underfunded. The focus on Iraq has robbed domestic security of manpower, brainpower and money, he said. The Iraq war created fissures in the United States' counterterrorism alliances, he said, and could breed a new generation of al Qaeda recruits. Many of his government colleagues, he said, thought Iraq was an ill-conceived and poorly executed strategy. I continue to be puzzled by it, said Beers, who did not oppose the war but thought it should have been fought with a broader coalition. Why was it such a policy priority? The official rationale was the search for weapons of mass destruction, he said, although the evidence was pretty qualified, if you listened carefully. He thinks the war in Afghanistan was a job begun, then abandoned. Rather than destroying al Qaeda terrorists, the fighting only dispersed them. The flow of aid has been slow and the U.S. military presence is too small, he said. Terrorists move around the country with ease. We don't even know what's going on. Osama bin Laden could be almost anywhere in Afghanistan, he said. As for the Saudis, he said, the administration has not pushed them hard enough to address their own problem with terrorism. Even last September, he said, attacks in Saudi Arabia sounded like they were going to happen imminently. Within U.S. borders, homeland security is suffering from policy constipation. Nothing gets done, Beers said. Fixing an agency management problem doesn't make headlines or produce voter support. So if you're looking at things from a political perspective, it's easier to go to war. The Immigration and Naturalization Service, he said, needs further reorganization. The Homeland Security Department is underfunded. There has been little, if any, follow-through on cybersecurity, port security, infrastructure protection and immigration management. Authorities don't know where the sleeper cells are, he said. Vulnerable segments of the economy, such as the chemical industry, cry out for protection. We are
Re: [biofuel] Some Arabs prefer western imperialism
What a load of crap! We will all be in the same boat with the poor Arabs unless every citizen of this planet has the equal rights that we Americans enjoy. And Americans will soon have the equal rights that Arabs enjoy, if we don't all stand up and demand that Constitutional Law be reinstated immediately. All we have to do is have the guts to speak the truth. The time has come for each of us to make sure that no mother ever has to watch her children die of the disease called poverty and ignorance. The only two things that scare the war mongers are education and that we will stop hating each other long enough to see what's really happening with corporate rule. Sure the Arab governments are cruel and unfair, all governments are today(and yesterday but, what about tomorrow). The real shame is that the inmates are guarding the assylum, voluntarily. kris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Moment of Opportunity for Arab Liberalism Date: 6/9/2003 8:21:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A To: A HREF=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED]/A Sent from the Internet (Details) Special Dispatch - Reform in the Arab and Muslim World June 10, 2003 No. 520 To view this Special Dispatch in HTML format, please visit: http://www.memri.org/bin/opener_latest.cgi?ID=SD52003 The Moment of Opportunity for Arab Liberalism __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] A Time of Reckoning
A time of reckoning.. It's About time!! We MUST turn our government around and restore credibility to our Presidency, Congress and Senate. It won't be easy and those of us who demand change will have to work hard to make it come about. The most important thing any of us can do is to register, inform ourselves, and VOTE! We must not be passive and lazy when it comes to getting out to the polls and voting. I can't stand the idea of another four years of the Bush/Cheney administration--can you? There is not one area of American values that has not been invaded, gutted and hung up to bleed to death by this administration. Never has there been so many corrupt fingers in the pies that make policy and insure our county's future. Armageddon, hopefully, is stalled for now. Please keep writing, phoning and faxing your representatives to hold the line on what sound American values are still in place. Yes indeed, the situation is appalling. And one can only be grateful that, so far, democracy is still gasping with enough life to compel the US Congress to correct the tax bill so that the poorest families do get their cut...to pass legislation protecting American investors from the likes of Enron... to challenge the FCC ruling on media consolidation... and to censure and -- impeach? -- a president and his dastardly crew, who have lied to us repeatedly. (See Karil Daniels' letter, Bush can be impeached!) Please take the time to read the excellent writings listed as the source at bottom of each comment. I despise getting mailers that make statements--often vituperative and with no truthful basis --usually unsigned and untraceable. They are the same thing as stupid, destructive gossip over a back fence--and of the same mentality. There will be source links for you to check out on any political comment on newsletters and comments from EarthMomma's World. EarthMomma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Earth Momma's World http://earthmomma.org Take action for our Earth http://sistersgifts.homestead.com/ActivismPage.html While our troops search for WMD in Iraq, we have found our own WMD right here in Washington -- at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. They are President Bush's weapons of mass distortion, or better, distraction. The Bush administration says one thing and does another to take the focus off the present realities. Does he think we don't notice? --Senator Jim Jeffords (Vermont) Source: http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8028 They lie with impunity. Let's face it. They're liars. They lied about the reason they took our sons and daughters to war. They spend millions of dollars in campaign ads saying they are for a prescription drug benefit under Medicare. They call their dirty air legislation Clear Skies and their plan to give the timber companies our trees Healthy Forests. They call their job killing economic program a jobs program. They say they are for peace when they are for war. -- Congresswoman Jan Schakowski Source: Full text of her talk at http://www.awakenedwoman.com/schakowski.htm It is long past time that the President and this Administration show its evidence, stated Kucinich, the leader of the opposition to the war in Iraq in the House. Today, we are introducing a Resolution of Inquiry to compel the White House to substantiate its claims. The President led the nation to war, and spent at least $63 billion on that war, on the basis of these unfounded assertions. --Kucinich, introducing his Resolution of Inquiry in the House June 7 Source: Kucinich: Show Us The Evidence, Mr. President http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060803A.shtml (Special thanks to Stephanie Hiller's Awakened Woman Newsletter for the above items) Some Bush backers claim he's not a liar, he's just not very bright and doesn't remember things very well. That may be true, but we're sure Bush would not allow such an excuse in his responsibility era. We're sure Bush would agree that if he's that dumb, he shouldn't be President. Other Bush backers claim that some of his lies are technically correct or tailored to fit the audience, or some such circumlocution. What they're talking about are lies of omission rather than lies of commission. In lies of omission it's what they imply, not what they say. For example,
Re: [biofuel] A Time of Reckoning
My dear Hakan, I have wrestled with this problem for many years and my final conclusion is that, if I speak out against our current regime I may be branded a terrorist but, if I don't speak up then this country is going to hell in a hand basket and my children will never be able to experience life as I have. Freedom is not something that is given, it is something that is earned and we all must work hard to mainmtain it or it will slip from our grasp. I love America and as I see it, it is my patriotic duty to speak out when I see the Constitution and the Bill of Rights being torn up and thrown away. I do appreciate your concern for my safety but, I would rather be called a rebel than a Tory. I am a descendant of Pilgrims, Revolutionary War veterans, and a cousin to the Wright Brothers and I will fight anyone who thinks they have a better plan than our forefathers, who won our freedom against great odds. Besides greed and corporate government this country's biggest obstacle to overcome is the multitude of financially successful citizens who go along with whatever pile of propaganda is being served today, just so they can hang on to whatever level of comfort they are accustomed to. kris --- Hakan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, What's wrong? Bush always talk about introducing American democracy in the world. He is honest about this. Democracy means People Power and therefore American democracy must mean American People Power. He is not talking about power for the local population, he is talking about dictatorship by the American people, it is all absolutely clear. You must be careful, because to oppose this will brand you as terrorist. Hakan At 12:46 AM 6/13/2003 -0700, you wrote: A time of reckoning.. It's About time!! We MUST turn our government around and restore credibility to our Presidency, Congress and Senate. It won't be easy and those of us who demand change will have to work hard to make it come about. The most important thing any of us can do is to register, inform ourselves, and VOTE! We must not be passive and lazy when it comes to getting out to the polls and voting. I can't stand the idea of another four years of the Bush/Cheney administration--can you? There is not one area of American values that has not been invaded, gutted and hung up to bleed to death by this administration. Never has there been so many corrupt fingers in the pies that make policy and insure our county's future. Armageddon, hopefully, is stalled for now. Please keep writing, phoning and faxing your representatives to hold the line on what sound American values are still in place. Yes indeed, the situation is appalling. And one can only be grateful that, so far, democracy is still gasping with enough life to compel the US Congress to correct the tax bill so that the poorest families do get their cut...to pass legislation protecting American investors from the likes of Enron... to challenge the FCC ruling on media consolidation... and to censure and -- impeach? -- a president and his dastardly crew, who have lied to us repeatedly. (See Karil Daniels' letter, Bush can be impeached!) Please take the time to read the excellent writings listed as the source at bottom of each comment. I despise getting mailers that make statements--often vituperative and with no truthful basis --usually unsigned and untraceable. They are the same thing as stupid, destructive gossip over a back fence--and of the same mentality. There will be source links for you to check out on any political comment on newsletters and comments from EarthMomma's World. EarthMomma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit Earth Momma's World http://earthmomma.org Take action for our Earth http://sistersgifts.homestead.com/ActivismPage.html While our troops search for WMD in Iraq, we have found our own WMD right here in Washington -- at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. They are President Bush's weapons of mass distortion, or better, distraction. The Bush administration says one thing and does another to take the focus off the present realities. Does he think we don't notice? --Senator Jim Jeffords (Vermont) Source: http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8028 They lie with impunity. Let's face it. They're liars. They lied about the reason they took our sons and daughters to war. They spend millions of dollars in campaign ads saying they are for a prescription drug benefit under Medicare. They call their dirty air
Re: Oh boy :Was; Re: [biofuel] Neither Right nor Left but Dead on Center
Terry, I've been on this list for a couple of years and in that time there have been more than twenty posts similar to yours. Each and every one of them has been responded to by the list moderator with almost a carbon copy of the others. Keith feels that biofuel is a political issue, so if you don't like things this way why don't you start your own list(I doubt that you could improve on the job that Keith does). There are a lot of us out here who are presently unable to participate in the manufacture of biofuel(my wife is a quadriplegic,ventilator patient which takes up about 20 hours of my day) but, we are interested in the whole scope of biofuel issues. I'm confident that better use of your Delete Button will relieve most of your frustrations. I'm only sending this post, because I think that Keith is tired of this thread and he has enough to do to keep this list one of the very best on the Internet. kris --- Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have avoided comments on the political views that come through here but I feel that I speak not only for myself but others that are on biofuel wanting to stick to biofuel. Why don't you guys start a biopolitical group and keep each other informed of what the media has to say. Most people take media with a grain of salt anyway, at least the conservative side does. Based on what I read, not sure what Dead on Center means other then the dead part. And why are we interested in something from 1999. The following is from OSI's webpage: May 30, 2003 OSI Publishes Report on Post-War Reconstruction in Iraq On May 22, 2003, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved Resolution 1483 outlining reconstruction efforts in Iraq. While the resolution grants the United States, which currently occupies Iraq, wide latitude in organizing a post-war Iraqi government and overseeing extensive reconstruction efforts, it also provides for significant input from the United Nations. The UN and other members of the international community now have a responsibility to utilize their experience in multilateral cooperation to ensure that the ongoing reconstruction process is effective, fair, and consistent. Things that make you go.hm? Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8016 - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] more news the corporate government doesn't want to you hear
more news the corporate government doesn't want to you hear http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/052703B.shtml http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,963108,00.html http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/05/26/1632226 http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/Willthomas/Articles/Bucks%20Stop%20Here.htm http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/052703F.shtml http://www.ipsnews.net/interna.asp?idnews=18352 http://www.hermes-press.com/police_state.htm http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/L28545360.htm http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=410730 http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/060203F.shtml http://www.observer.co.uk/global/story/0,10786,915223,00.html http://ens-news.com/ens/may2003/2003-05-23g.asp http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/05/0515_030515_fishdecline.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Calendar - Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). http://calendar.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] VM Earth's Vital Signs Show the Pain of Poverty
Earth's Vital Signs Show the Pain of Poverty By J.R. Pegg WASHINGTON, DC, May 22, 2003 (ENS) - An examination of Earth's vital signs reveals alarming trends of poverty, disease and environmental decline that threaten global stability, according to the Worldwatch Institute's annual report on trends shaping the world's future. There is little for humanity to cheer about in the organization's Vital Signs 2003, which outlines how the continued failure to address widespread poverty serves as a lightening rod for health, social and environmental problems across the world. The consumption choices of the rich and the inability of political leaders to act has brought this situation to bear, says Michael Renner, coauthor and project director of Vital Signs 2003, and there are few signs that things will change anytime soon. Vital Signs 2003 was produced researchers at the Worldwatch Institute, an international environmental and social policy research organization, in cooperation with the United Nations Environment Programme. Humanity's challenge, Renner explained at a press briefing held today in Washington D.C., is to find a way to balance the need to protect the Earth's ecosystems without denying the world's poorest individuals the opportunity to achieve a better life. These twin goals cannot be achieved as long as humanity remains divided into the extremes of rich and poor, Renner said. But this divide is growing, not shrinking. Globalization has deepened economic disparities, Renner explained, and the gap between the world's poorest and richest nations has more than doubled since 1960. Some 815 million people worldwide are chronically hungry. (Photo by F. Mattioli, courtesy UN Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO)) The scope of the world's poverty is severe - almost half of humanity lives on less than $2 a day - and the world economy is rigged against the interests of the poor, Renner said. Agricultural subsidies in the developed world, trade barriers, unequal trade relations and the crippling $2.4 trillion in foreign debt owed by the world's poorest nations all contribute to this growing disparity. Less income often means individuals are far more susceptible to disease - the infant mortality rate in low income countries is some 13 times higher than in the world's wealthier countries. Infectious diseases kill some 14.4 million people a year, most of whom are among the world's poorest. Those who perish from infectious disease are often individuals in the early or prime years of life and the loss of these individuals can contribute to further economic and social stress on a nation. The recent outbreak of the new disease SARS shows how quickly economies can be thrown out of whack, said coauthor Molly Sheehan. Lack of clean water or sanitation kills some 1.7 million people each year, 90 percent of which are children. Seventy percent of the world's HIV positive people live in sub-Saharan Africa and 82 percent of the world's 1.1 billion smokers live in developing countries. The consequences of poverty manifest in the form of terrorism, war and contagious diseases, Renner said, and the effects are felt both by the world's poor and its rich. An unstable world not only perpetuates poverty, Renner said, but will ultimately threaten the prosperity that the rich minority has come to enjoy. Desertification has made even subsistence farming difficult for many of the world's poor. (Photo by R. Faidutti, courtesy FAO) And just as the fruits of the world economy are not shared equally, neither are the consequences of environmental degradation. The poor are more vulnerable to weather related disasters caused by land clearing, deforestation and climate change. Weather related economic losses were highest in industrial countries, but the human toll was far greater for developing countries. In 2002, more than 150,000 Kenyans were displace by massive rains, while more than 800,000 Chinese struggled with the most severe drought in more than a century. The report concedes that weather related disasters are likely to worsen as the climate continues to change, a trend that highlights how the actions - or inaction - of the world's rich affect the poor. Last year was the second warmest since record keeping began in the late 1800s and most scientists are convinced this trend will result in more erratic weather and rising seas. The report finds that the burden of responsibility for climate changes falls squarely on the shoulders of the industrial nations, in particular the United States. The United States has five percent of the world's population but produces some 25 percent of the total of greenhouse gas emissions responsible for global warming. The pressures on the Earth's ecosystem brought about by poverty are striking, the report finds, including evidence that more
Re: [biofuel] Brayton solar -was Diesel and Alternative power
Does anyone think it's possible that this company's claim that a 2 year payback is the norm for a Brayton cycle 225KW combined heat and power generator that is fired by biomass. http://pmcproduction.com/agripower_benefits.html http://pmcproduction.com/executive_summary.html kris __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/CNxFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Common Traits of Fascist Regimes ... Sound familar
Common Traits of Fascist Regimes ... Sound familar Sent: Friday, May 23, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: Sound Familiar? Dr. Laurence Britt, a political scientist, wrote an article about fascism which appeared in Free Inquiry magazine -- a journal of humanist thought. Dr. Britt studied the fascist regimes of: Hitler (Germany) Mussolini (Italy) Franco (Spain) Suharto (Indonesia) Pinochet (Chile) He found the regimes had 14 things in common, and he calls these the identifying characteristics of fascism. The article is titled 'Fascism Anyone?', by Laurence Britt, and appears in Free Inquiry's Spring 2003 issue on page 20. The 14 characteristics are: 1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -- Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. 2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -- Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of need. The people tend to 'look the other way' or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. 3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -- The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. 4. Supremacy of the Military -- Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. 5. Rampant Sexism -- The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy. 6. Controlled Mass Media -- Sometimes the media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or through sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common. 7. Obsession with National Security -- Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. 8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -- Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. 9. Corporate Power is Protected -- The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. 10. Labor Power is Suppressed -- Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely or are severely suppressed. 11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -- Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free _expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. 12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -- Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses, and even forego civil liberties, in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations. 13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -- Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions, and who use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. 14. Fraudulent Elections -- Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against (or even the assassination of) opposition candidates, the use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and the manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use
[biofuel] Fwd: it can't happen here
it can't happen here - From the It-Can't-Happen-Here--Or-Can-It? department: A powerful conservative lobbying group/think tank (American Legislative Exchange Council) is actively promoting model state legislation that would criminalize virtually all environmental activism. There are currently bills pending in Texas, Pennsylvania, Maine, and New York, and it may soon appear in at least Mississippi, Wisconsin, and Washington. Here's what the State Environmental Resource Center had to say about the Texas HB 433: This legislation makes protesting environmental issues a criminal activity, and increases penalties for animal rights or environmental organizations participating in activities 'with an intent to influence a governmental entity or the public to take a specific political action.' Another key concern includes the definition of 'animal rights or ecological terrorist organization' as 'two or more persons organized for the purpose of supporting any politically motivated activity intended to obstruct or deter any person from participating in an activity involving animals or an activity involving natural resources.' Such vague language could encompass all environmental advocacy activity from signing petitions and peaceful protests and demonstrations to environmental organizations working to protect natural resources and environmental quality across the country. Furthermore, this bill would also create specific penalties for those who donate money to environmental organizations involved with political and social protests, demonstrations, and debates, as stated in the bill language: 'A person commits an offense if the person knowingly provides financial support, resources, or other assistance to an animal rights or ecological terrorism organization for the purpose of assisting the organization.' For more information, see: http://www.tompaine.com/feature.cfm/ID/7748 http://www.serconline.org/watchdog/watchdog2003/watchdog29.html This is an unprecedented direct assault on our rights to free speech and free association, and it's received virtually no coverage in the mainstream media (yet). While it's hard to imagine a bill like this passing, ALEC is a powerful, well-funded conservative think thank with a long history of influencing state legislative policy. We encourage everyone who cares about political freedom to follow this issue more closely, and to work with the media to shine the light on this ugly trend. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Fwd: act NOW to keep a semi-free media.
If you don't want one single company to own all the public airwaves and media sources in the country, you're going to need to do something about it fast. The links below can tell you more about the details than I can, and I'm not here to debate or influence, but just to remind you that IF you're against this you NEED to take a minute right now, in the next 10 days before the vote, or spend the rest of your life complaining about how it's too late. STAND AND BE COUNTED, HERE: http://www.futureofmusic.org/news/FCCmusicianletter.cfm http://www.moveon.org/stopthefcc/ http://www.commoncause.org/action/petition.cfm ARTICLES FOR MORE INFO: http://www.commoncause.org/action/fcc.htm http://www.futureofmusic.org/mediaactivism.cfm http://www.richmond.com/business/output.cfm?ID=2414262 http://www.chicagotribune.com/templates/misc/printstory.jsp?slug=chi%2D0303190157mar19section=/printstory http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A51872-2003May13.html http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=storyu=/uclickcomics/20030514/cx_tt_uc/tt20030514 http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=articlecontentId=A23996-2002May28 -- Derek Sivers, CD Baby, Hostbaby http://www.hostbaby.com -- web hosting for musicians __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/aM1XQD/od7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Toothpaste as poison
Well Paul, I certainly prefer Keith's link to an article on his web site (plus ten links to similar sites), to your long dissertation backed up by nothing your status quo opinions. Are you trying to insure that next year's grant money will be available by acting like a good little soldier or are you just a born company man. I think this is the real comparison here, I'm sure the listers who know about it (quite a few) will agree: http://journeytoforever.org/text_price.html The Darwin of nutrition O - K sure, back up your arguement with an article on your own web site! nice! (damn it, now I am getting accusitory! see how this rhetoric attack stuff works! it sucks you into arguements that you didn;t want, wastes your time, drags you into vitrolic personal attacks against people you'd rather just ignore or get along with!) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Toothpaste as poison
Kim, Did someone die and leave the moderators job to you in their will or are you just the newest right wing meat on the menu? I'm sure there are more than just me around here who have had enough of the posts sent to this list supporeted by nothing but opinions. I started this thread by asking if anyone had info about aluminum dioxide and Paul changed the subject so fast that no one ever did discuss my question. Now, if Paul didn't make it a habit to put his own personal spin on every subject he writes about, I wouldn't be taking pot shots at him. You can either back off and let this drop or bring your argument to me privately or publicly, makes no difference to me. kris --- Kim Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: keep the disargeements civilized and enlightened folks...egocentricity has no place around here...if you choose to persist with the negativity, don't post to the group--just argue privately and save us all the vitriolic exchanges. peace2u and whateverr ;-) kn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 05/20/03 09:57AM Well Paul, I certainly prefer Keith's link to an article on his web site (plus ten links to similar sites), to your long dissertation backed up by nothing your status quo opinions. Are you trying to insure that next year's grant money will be available by acting like a good little soldier or are you just a born company man. I think this is the real comparison here, I'm sure the listers who know about it (quite a few) will agree: http://journeytoforever.org/text_price.html The Darwin of nutrition O - K sure, back up your arguement with an article on your own web site! nice! (damn it, now I am getting accusitory! see how this rhetoric attack stuff works! it sucks you into arguements that you didn;t want, wastes your time, drags you into vitrolic personal attacks against people you'd rather just ignore or get along with!) __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Fwd: [prep2003discuss2] Toothpaste as poison
Can someone please explain to me why all of Europe and more
recently so many U.S. water districts are using ozone to
purify drinking water instead of chlorine/chloramine. I
just searched for an hour to find an article I had read
which stated that one chlorine molecule consumes over
100,000 ozone molecules in our upper atmosphere but, I
could only find hundreds of articles portraying chlorine as
a safe water treatment. IMO, chorline will soon go the way
that saccharin and DDT did, no accepting of responsibility
by its manufacturers.
http://www.deltamarineozone.com/ozonefacts.html
VI. BENEFITS OF OZONE IN WATER TREATMENT
OZONE oxidizes and decomposes organic and inorganic
contaminants at a higher rate that other reagents. Normally
one or more orders of magnitude faster than Chlorine, the
most commonly used reagent.
OZONE has faster sterilization and disinfection rate, over
3000 times that of Chlorine in water and it is far safer.
That is why OZONE has been used in the Paris water system
since 1903 and is currently used by Los Angeles, (1984) and
San Diego, (1986).Los Angeles has the world's largest ozone
generating system,m. (LA Aqueduct)
Sterilization and disinfection rates are independent of NH3
and are not affected by pH as is Chlorine. Microorganisms
that are normally resistant to Chlorine, requiring hours of
contact time, are killed in seconds by ozone.
There are no bacteria or viruses which are resistant to
OZONE, as it acts as an OXIDANT of PROTOPLASM. That is why
trace residual OZONE is accepted as a standard of reference
for full disinfection of water. {Ref. Bottled Water}
Other than microorganisms, OZONE decomposes organic and
inorganic contaminants in water is into harmless compounds
that can be easily separated or transformed by settling,
filtering, etc.
OZONE reacts favorably with material and compounds with
which Chlorine does not react or reacts in an unfavorable
manner so as to leave undesirable by-products.
Substances imparting color, smell or taste.
Iron and Manganese.
Cyanides, Phenols, etc.
OZONE is the most Environmentally Friendly oxidant and
even, at least partially, decomposes Chlorinated compounds.
{PCBs, Chlorinated solvents, etc.}
VII. BASIC APPLICATIONS
OZONE is highly unstable and will easily give up one atom
of oxygen to combine, with, {Oxidize}, almost anything.
Naturally occurring OZONE and the OZONE formed from auto
exhaust causes the premature aging and cracking of tires
and wiper blades.
OZONE is the second most powerful oxidant after FL,
{Fluorine}, and the by-products are harmless as opposed to
some chlorine by-products as:
Trihalomethanes.
Chloramines, {Chloroform, etc.}.
OZONE is used extensively for processes requiring oxidation
and disinfection
Drinking water treatment; purification, odor, taste, color,
container sterilization.
Waste water treatment; disinfection, sterilization, BOD
COD reduction.
Cooling towers; scale removal, microbe control, corrosion
control.
A/C Air Handlers; Odor control, mold/mildew
elimination/control.
Aquaculture, fish and shrimp farming; ammonia removal,
bacteria control.
Pools, spas, water parks, water displays; replacement of
Chlorine.
Bottling plants; container sterilization.
Canning plants; container sterilization.
Breweries; removal of taste/odor and microbe control in
process water.
Metal plating and finishing processes for waste water
reclamation.
Bleach and detergent reduction in wash processes. {35% to
75% Typical}
Transportation and/or storage of fresh fruit and produce.
Fire damage restoration; smoke odor and mold/mildew
removal.
Casinos and bars; elimination of tobacco smoke and stale
wine beer odor.
Rental car and truck agencies; removal of tobacco, pet, and
body odor.
Hotels; elimination of tobacco smoke and stale room odors.
--- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From shower water? I assume you purify drinking water.
Kirk
-Original Message-
From: Alan Petrillo [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2003 12:57 AM
To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [biofuel] Fwd: [prep2003discuss2] Toothpaste
as poison
paul van den bergen wrote:
[snip]
but consider for a moment another poison we add to
drinking water...
Chemically similar to Fluorine (and similarly toxic),
we add it in much
larger quantities, especially in large public areas
where children are the
most susceptable to it's effects - which include sore
eyes and throats,
most
of which go unreported to medical authorities.. yet we
never hear anything
against Chlorine why? (yes, I don't expect or want
an answer... I was
being ironic.)
Worse, some areas are adding not just chlorine, but
chloramine. It's
less expensive than the chlorine gas systems, and
supposedly more
effective. They acknowlege that a few people will have
adverse
reactions to the chloramine, but only a very tiny
percentage. My
girlfriend is one of those people, and has had a rash all
over
[biofuel] - Masonic roots - a slice of American history
This article claims that our current government has roots far deeper than I ever imagined. I find the part about whose pictures are on our money to be very insightful. Subject: Our founding fathers, the Illuminati, and our currency--worth reading As many of you know, the war on individual freedoms that is raging right now around the world has roots that go back some distance. David Icke does a good job of laying it out and identifying the dark agenda illuminati which is behind the events of 911 and the erosion of civil liberties around the world with their global domination plans. But his historical info is slightly inaccurate and he lumps some of the good guys in with the bad. These are some salient points that are worth noting to clarify the issue. Although the dark agenda group on this planet probably goes back millions of years, the roots of what we know as the modern Illuminati took hold with Adam Weishaupt who founded the highly secretive Illuminati in Germany in 1776 which infiltrated the Masonic Order. He established many of the underpinnings of the order such as the secret handshakes, the policies of collusion, intrigue, manipulation, and murder. With this as a basis, the Illuminati would gradually position members into key power positions over time and ultimately attempt to dominate every industry including the banking industry and finally the world. To set the record straight, here are some very important facts which need to be known (if anyone has a comm line to David Icke, please forward this to him): 1) Who's reputation suffered character assassination when confronted with the rising Masonic influence? John Q. Adams was not a Mason and had a sterling and irreproachable reputation. He was the last true patriotic president before the usurpation by the Masonic and Illuminati orders. His character was destroyed publicly by Andrew Jackson, one of the highest members of the Masonic Order, as a means for Jackson to win the Presidency. Jackson defeated Adam's re-election in the presidential election of 1828 and took office, thereby instituting a downward spiral of negative Masonic (Illuminati) influences. Further, the Masonic encroachment was near to hand when Adams discovered that his secretary of state, Henry Clay, was also a Mason and had been visiting the Dupont Family (famous Illuminati group) for advice on how to steer the nation. 2) Who was the first noteworthy person to expose the Masonic Order (Illuminati) for what they truly are? causing them to go underground? John Quincy Adams was the first noteworthy person to expose the Masons and Illuminati. He was NOT a Mason. In 1800, J.Q. Adams wrote three letters to Colonel William L. Stone, a top Mason, in which he exposed how Jefferson was using Masonic lodges for subversive Illuministic purposes. Those three letters are at this very time in Whittenburg Square Library in Philadelphia. Later, he thoroughly investigated the organization and wrote the first broad expose in 1833 called http://hardtruth.topcities.com/lettersonthemasonicinstitutionjohnqadams .htm Letters on the Masonic Institution, by John Quincy Adams as a result of the tragic murder of a Mason (Captain William Morgan in 1826 in New York). Captain Morgan was a Mason and decided to go public with the knowledge that the organization had become corrupt. As Captain Morgan stated, He had witnessed the corruption of the Institution and saw it was an engine of personal advantage and political aggrandizement; that it gave to its members unfair advantages and extra privileges over the unsuspecting community; that its insidious influence extended to every transaction in society, raising as it were the Masonic combination unto a PRIVILEGED ORDER, who, under the Royal Names of GRAND KINGS, Grand Sovereigns, and Grand High Priests, in darkness and secrecy, ruled and plundered the people. CAPTAIN MORGAN was a soldier and a brave man. He saw this detestable conspiracy and went public with it. As a result, he was brutally killed by the Masonic Order as a means to punish him for speaking out. Due to the negative publicity, the Masonic (Illuminati) Order began more covert operations and went underground. Remember, this was published in 1833! This also was the time (1832) when the Skull and Bones Order was begun at Yale University as a means to infiltrate the higher educational systems. http://www.conspiracyworld.com/web/Articles/john_quincy_adams_and_freema sonr.htm 3) When did the United States first fall prey to the Masonic influences? Yes it is true that George Washington admitted being a Mason and the records show he was titled as a Master of his Lodge just 5 months before taking office as first
[biofuel] Fwd: [prep2003discuss2] Toothpaste as poison
Does anyone one on the list know enough about this subject to confirm or deny this article's validity? Toothpaste is poison And we thought the fluoride in toothpaste was bad... http://www.rense.com/general37/toth.htm Is Hidden True Cause Of Alzheimer's Your Toothpaste? From Paul Kuhlman 5-3-3 Hello Jeff... I am a truck driver, and have hauled just about everything over the past 13 years. I read your site's article postulating that naturally occurring aluminum found in water might be the key to Alzheimer's disease. I'll go one better than that. I once picked up a 44,000 pound load of aluminum dioxide powder in the aptly-named town of Bauxite, Arkansas. Noting that the destination for the load was not a processing plant or a mill, I enquired as to why this load was destined for the Colgate-Palmolive Company. The shipping agent said that the quality of bauxite (Aluminum dioxide) found in Arkansas was too low grade for manufacturing purposes, but was fine for toothpaste. Toothpaste? I enquired. He then went on to explain that common white toothpaste is made largely from Aluminum Dioxide, which is a mildly abrasive, brilliantly white powder. They'll simply add a sudsing agent to make the bubbles, a flavoring agent to make it palatable, perhaps a food coloring agent, some water, and presto - toothpaste. Go read the ingredients on your tube of toothpaste. It'll list one or two 'active ingredients'...notice the combined total amounts of 'active ingredients' is usually less than 1%. What about the other 99%? * Were you aware that every day of your life, you are filling your mouth with a gob of nearly pure aluminum dioxide? * Can you imagine the possible health effects? * Do you see how this is the number one entry point for aluminum to enter the body? * Can you guess why the inactive ingredients aren't listed? * Imagine the outcry from all the millions of health conscious Americans who suddenly discovered that they are being poisoned! *Yes, that's why they aren't listed. So, if you and your vast readership are concerned about getting too much aluminum in their diets, you can all relax about naturally occurring aluminum in the water, or cooking with pots and pans. These are trivial sources of aluminum compared with the several pounds of aluminum directly swallowed or absorbed through the tissues while brushing our teeth. On the bright side, we can all still have a beautiful smile in our old age, if only we can remember how to smile. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles. No Late Fees Free Shipping. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Here's the proof: was, I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline10pg This guy uses mainstream media to tell the real story, or at least a more believeable story than the Republican spin we've been getting. kris --- csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you asked me, I would say that 'ol GWB not only knew about the 9/11 beforehand guys ... but in reality caused it. No, I have absolutely, positively NO proof. It is a statement I make .. only from the chill I get up my spine when I hear reports that ... I think a YEAR before 9/11 .. some Haliburton/TransAfghanistan pipeline deal went sour ... The deal was given to (I think) Argentina EARLY SUMMER, Afghanistan INVASION plans were ALREADY made __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/O10svD/Me7FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Here's the proof: was, I think Bush pressed the button Was: [biofuel] Bush's Christian Blood Cult
I believe that when the truth is told about our current regime (Reagan, Bush, Clinton, Bush), this period in history will be called the most corrupt government of all time. Even the Barbarian Horde did nothing more sinister and evil than these good ol' boys. That's right, I'm saying that the same group has been in power since 1981, and with the exception of Jimmy Carter this group probably goes all the way back to the Johnson administration. kris --- MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.wanttoknow.info/911timeline10pg This guy uses mainstream media to tell the real story, or at least a more believeable story than the Republican spin we've been getting. kris Thank you Kris! That's quite a bit of documentation about -- The 9/11 Timeline 10-Page Summary Was 9/11 Allowed to Happen? ___ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] I wonder why it is so easy to fool people with money
What do you think would motivate a man to buck the system, like this man has? It doesn't seem that money, fame, or even hatred could be the motivating factor in this man's campaign to stop the current regime from taking what's left of our freedoms. Why are so many good citizens speaking out against our leadership in Washington? Could it be patriotism is not dead in America? It's starting to look like we've just gone through a 228 year cycle and we may have to fight for our freedom again. It could be that all you conservatives should start doing a little reading about how the conservatives (Torys) were treated after the rebels declared their independence in 1775. kris book Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 08:15:02 - From: Stewart Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE AMERICA www.stewwebb.com THIS MAY BE YOUR LAST CHANCE TO SAVE AMERICA April 25, 2003 To All Americans, It is time we all must come together to stop the New World Order in America before Our Country and Home Land is destroyed. World wide resentment of America and the foreign policies of this corrupt administration and the criminals who occupy the White House, The Bush Crime Family are intentionally instigating other countries and regimes to take action against the USA. War in America is emanate, Korea, China, Russia, and others have verbally threatened America, with justifiable reasons, because of the out of control Bush Regime. Bush Sr. wants to be the One World Government leader, his vision of a New World Order. Bush Jr. his puppet has America hated by the rest of the world like never seen before. These people are criminals who can be Jailed for the various crimes they have committed, Drug Gun running, Securities Fraud, Bank Loan Frauds, Pension Frauds, Oil Gas Fraud, HUD theft and Frauds, Trading with the Enemy, The Sale of Chemical Weapons to declared enemies of America, Treason against America. I have attempted 3 times to get before a Federal Grand Jury, 1991, 1995 and 2001. (See: www.stewwebb.com) Stew's Federal Grand Jury Demand 2001.) The reason I have not been successful is due to money, being able to pay legal council to insure our success in getting threw the doors of the Jury. Americans in the past were not awake to the crimes they have committed, like they are today. I am not an attorney and have studied a little law, due to defending myself from various illegal attempts to jail and silence me over 30 times. A Federal Grand Jury is the only way, short of a revolution, which I am not advocating. I need the legal help in order to be successful, yes we can get threw the door with the proper legal help. Very few attorneys have the guts to take this on. Most are cowards and squirm at the thought. But few with guts require money. I have 200 US and foreign Intelligence operatives willing to testify of the crimes stated above. Who are willing to risk life, liberty, for this country to put it back on track. They will only testify under a Federal Grand Jury setting in order to bring Indictments against The Bush Crime Family. Therefore with The Lords help, lots of prayers, HIS protection, and your kind contribution, this can become a reality, and American can remove itself of the Criminal cartel that has infiltrated our once great land. Your future, your children's future, depend upon those willing to step up to the plate and act now. Otherwise before this year is out we will see an attack upon this land, time is of the essence to accomplish this GOAL. Otherwise American and our freedoms and lives are doomed. I am asking for your support, in the form of a contribution to further my work in trying to accomplish the above, a Federal Grand Jury to Indict these criminals. 150,000 people giving $1.00 each and approximately $2.00 for a US Postage return receipt to insure I receive your kind contribution to the cause, is a very small investment for your future. Most people waste that sum on a lottery ticket. This is a very serious matter. I am risking my life sending this letter. I ask for your help now. This can be accomplished if we come together. Your kind contributions, are very much appreciated and will be used for the expenses incurred, my expenses to insure my safety, and attorney fees. Please distribute this far and wide, time is of the essence. I have the witness and the evidence to insure success in this matter. Thank You Stew Webb Federal Whistleblower A Bond Servant of Christ www.stewwebb.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please send return receipt requested approximately $2.00 US Post Office, to insure I receive your support. Your kind contributions payable
Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
The American system could work fairly well with a few minor adjustments, like limits on campaign spending and term limits. We must stop candidates from buying their posts and there is no place on this planet for long term politicians. They are an abomination, every one of them sells out to big money sooner or later. I guess there might be an exception but, I sure as hell can't remember any lately. kris --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear John, I do not think that voting in a mob is a democracy, maybe you could call it an illegal democratic decision. We have seen many misuse of the democratic systems, maybe one very recent one. The thing is that we do not have anything better and with a lawful parliamentary democracy you are not secure anyway, as history show with painful accuracy. Plato did loose his beliefs in democracy, when Socrates was sentenced to death by a direct democracy. He obviously had strong reasons. I do not know of any democracy of today, that have a direct democracy of that kind. It is therefore natural for me to judge a current situation and not disqualify a democracy because of something that do not exist. I have earlier raised doubts about direct democracy, but the only form that are used today are advisory referendums. A parliament that are responsible for decisions do not even have the obligation to follow a referendum result, if it is strong reasons for not to do so. Until somebody does not come up with a better and fairer system, I think that I keep my beliefs in democracies. I will even include the US one in it, despite the obvious corporate vote purchasing. Hakan At 12:34 PM 4/22/2003 -0400, you wrote: Hakan Falk wrote: I do not understand why you think that parliamentary democracy has anything to do with mob rule. I have never heard such a stupid definition of democracy and never experienced it either. I have to ask you what the opposite alternative is? It is the besetting vice of democracies to substitute public opinion for law. This is the usual form in which the masses of men exhibit their tyranny. -James Fenimore Cooper Fifty-one percent of a nation can establish a totalitarian regime, suppress minorities and still remain democratic. - Erik von Kuehnelt-Leddihn Hakan, I normally respect what you have to say around this parts, but I think you are overreacting to Kirk's cynical definition of democracy. Respect for the rule of law is required to temper pure democracy for otherwise it is doomed to decay into a tyranny of the majority. I don't want to speak for Kirk, but I imagine his point was that democracy must be tempered by law. Presumably, you automatically assume such contraints when you use the phrase parliamentary democracy. However, I think Kirk's point remains that a pure unconstrained democracy is a very dangerous thing. John Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: I am ... that I am Was: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
You won't find any Saddam supporters here(I think we should've just put a bounty on his head and saved a couple of bucks), the major problem most of us have is that somehow our own government seems to lost touch with the ideals that this great country was founded on (i.e. the Constitution seems to have fallen in the toilet). And that our present leaders don't seem to have learned anything from the mistakes made by their predecessors, except how to cover up unethical and illegal manuevers better than ever. It wouldn't be so bad, except that today's current events seem to come right from the script of Wag the Dog. What gets me the most is that intelligent people would swallow this bitter propaganda pill and act like it was a jelly bean. Rather than question us, why don't you go down to your local ghetto, barrio, or trailer park and see if you can find anyone with an IQ over 80 who supports this government's actions. kris --- tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Feelings of Mighty power ... that then does the ultimate evil deed. Not just give a feeling of being God's chosen few but rather a feeling of BEING a (demi)GOD. Of being almost a higher species. An evolved species. With a higher purpose. Of cleansing the earth. Purging the earth. That kind of stuff. I've attended speeches and seminars given by those kinds of people. Pretty eerie stuff. Chris, from the well documented trappings and actions of Sadam Husein don't you think your description fits him exactly? Tom Fisher Dallas,TX Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] One last volly from the left: was, How we lost the victory
For every link to a CNBC site exalting the U.S. liberation of Iraq, there are ten that are written by people who really have little to gain and usually a lot to lose by exposing the crooks who are disguised as leaders in the good ol' USA and their croanies abroad. As long as there are crooks there will be those who believe the propaganda that the crooks pay for. All I want is for the truth to be told. I want to know why the Twin Towers looked like the 15 implosions that I've witnessed with my own eyes. I want to know how we can stand by silently while our soldiers are sent back to the same battlefields where depleted uranium ammunition was used only ten years ago. That's about 25,000 years sooner than I want to walk there. I could go on for hours about the injustices done by the ruling class in recent history but, Curtis and our new friend Tom have had enough of this political bashing. If anyone is interested in the view from the left hand mirror, check these out: http://sierratimes.com/archive/files/dec/06/eddf120601.htm http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/ARTICLE5/index.html http://compuserb.com/benfreed.htm http://mercola.com/2001/aug/15/perception.htm http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/911page.htm http://pilger.carlton.com/print/88462 http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/engt.htm http://standdown.net/ http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-3.htm --- tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you make of the reports in the following article? http://www.msnbc.com/news/902240.asp?0cv=CA01 Tom Fisher Dallas,TX - Original Message - From: csakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 12:10 PM Subject: [biofuel] My feelings of the man Was: I am ... that I am I disagree. I believe in order to explain my point, I must separate Saddam's actions into 2 categories ... the stuff that he has done in relation to the whims of the United Nations/United States .. and whatever everything else. The everything else is a subject perhaps of another thread. However, if you just consider JUST the stuff Mr. Hussein has done in response to the UN/US I am caught between two thoughts. That Ok, perhaps maybe (yeah, yeah, yeah) maybe he's a bad man trying to get away from justice (blah, blah, blah) ... But consider this. Let's say that, living your normal everyday life you were at the wrong place ... at the wrong time. A woman was raped and killed (nearby). And all circumstancial evidence pointed to you. Even CNN news spouted that you were the most likely suspect. Manhunts were sent after you .. to kill and ask questions later. Now wait a minute ... put yourself in that situation... How would you act?? You would suddenly withdraw all your money from the bank (boy, is that suspicious). You would make sure all of your guns you happen to have were hidden (You sure look like you were trying to hide something). My point is that ... nowadays ... any man in a defensive mode is portrayed as ... guilty. Up to a point where ... there is REALLY NOTHING he can do ... that would show that he is innocent. The more he does to defend himself the more guilty he looks!!! So maybe Saddam IS guilty ... nah, maybe he's not. The point is WHO DA HELL KNOWS.The point is I am simply not planning on letting CNN news sway me one way ... or another. I don't personally know the man and so I will not personally make a judgement call. As easily as he could be a guilty man HE COULD JUST AS EASILY BE A MAN . SIMPLY DEFENDING HIS COUNTRY. So I do not know if he is .. what CNN portrays him to be. But ... I DO know this.That no Iraqi planes ... were ever spotted over US waters. No Iraqi 500 pound bombs have ever dropped on US soil.No Amphibious vehicle ... have ever dropped Iraqi soldiers on our shores. If I recall ... these were the Normal reasons for declaring WAR. TO DEFEND YOURSELF!! And none of the above has happened. Which is why ... I'm rather uneasy about the motives .. behind this war. Curtis Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL - Original Message - From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chris, from the well documented trappings and actions of Sadam Husein don't you think your description fits him exactly? Tom Fisher Dallas,TX Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
Dear Fish, I've fought and killed in Vietnam for the right to speak my mind and if you continue with this ridiculous love it or leave it crap, you'll be biting off a chunk that you will never be able to chew. The left wingers around here are loaded for bear and we already have a token righty that sends one or two line responses to our lengthy messages, so do yourself a favor and produce some evidence to support your views. The only righties that last around here are those who still show some ability to help others and that believe some what in fair play. Here's a link to a mailing list with about 900 right wingers that swallow every bit of propaganda put on their plate. You may be happier discussing the true virtues of nuclear energy, or how many Iraqis can be stuffed into an oil barrel. kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Fisher, Your apparency seems to be in need of a thorough washing. Once it is rinsed and dries and the distortion of your misunderstanding is lessened, what you will find is that many posters feel that there is an inordinate amount of dissatisfaction that correlates to the dishonesty, double standard, collusion and inequity in the present administration (and all too often in any other administration). Perhaps you find such behavior to be acceptable and might in fact even teach such unprincipled behavior to your own children? Many others (us), on the other hand, have been trying to weed such character flaws out of society for our lifetimes. What you might also find is that in societies that keep their tongues in check when demanded to, or intimidated or threatened, the same freedom that so many people tout so highly and proclaim to be the glory of this union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one of the first casualties of a punitive/submissive society. You cannot, nor can anyone else, have it both ways - freedom on the one hand while deriding those who exercise their freedom on the other. Perhaps you've already conveniently forgotten those examples of abusive power and punitive authority as taught by the recently ousted regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq? Surely not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move there? Tom Fisher Dallas,TX - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656 How We Lost the Victory By Ted Rall, AlterNet April 16, 2003 NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't. The stirring image of Saddam's statue being toppled on April 9th turns out to be fake, the product of a cheesy media op staged by the U.S. military for the benefit of cameramen staying across the street at Baghdad's Palestine Hotel. This shouldn't be a big surprise. Two of the most stirring photographs of World War II - the flag raising at Iwo Jima and General MacArthur's stroll through the Filipino surf - were just as phony. Anyone who has seen a TV taping knows that tight camera angles exaggerate crowd sizes, but even a cursory examination of last week's statue-toppling propaganda tape reveals that no more than 150 Iraqis gathered in Farbus Square to watch American Marines - not Iraqis - pull down the dictator's statue. Hailing all the demonstrations in the streets, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld waxed rhapsodically: Watching them, he told reporters, one cannot help but think of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Iron Curtain. Hundreds of thousands of cheering Berliners filled the streets when their divided city was reunited in 1989. Close to a million Yugoslavs crowded Belgrade at the end of Slobodan Milosevic's rule in 2000. While some individual Iraqis have welcomed U.S. troops, there haven't been similar outpourings of approval for our liberation. Most of the crowds are too busy carrying off Uday's sofas to say thanks, and law-abiding citizens are at home putting out fires or fending off their rapacious neighbors with AK-47s. Yet Americans wanted to see their troops greeted as liberators, so that's what they saw on TV. Perhaps Francis Fukuyama was correct - if it only takes 150 happy looters to make history, maybe history is over. Actually, they were 150 imported art critics. The statue bashers were militiamen of the Iraqi National Congress, an anti-Saddam outfit led by one Ahmed Chalabi. The INC was flown into Iraq
Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
I forgot to put in that link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/global-energyoptions/ --- Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fish, I've fought and killed in Vietnam for the right to speak my mind and if you continue with this ridiculous love it or leave it crap, you'll be biting off a chunk that you will never be able to chew. The left wingers around here are loaded for bear and we already have a token righty that sends one or two line responses to our lengthy messages, so do yourself a favor and produce some evidence to support your views. The only righties that last around here are those who still show some ability to help others and that believe some what in fair play. Here's a link to a mailing list with about 900 right wingers that swallow every bit of propaganda put on their plate. You may be happier discussing the true virtues of nuclear energy, or how many Iraqis can be stuffed into an oil barrel. kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Fisher, Your apparency seems to be in need of a thorough washing. Once it is rinsed and dries and the distortion of your misunderstanding is lessened, what you will find is that many posters feel that there is an inordinate amount of dissatisfaction that correlates to the dishonesty, double standard, collusion and inequity in the present administration (and all too often in any other administration). Perhaps you find such behavior to be acceptable and might in fact even teach such unprincipled behavior to your own children? Many others (us), on the other hand, have been trying to weed such character flaws out of society for our lifetimes. What you might also find is that in societies that keep their tongues in check when demanded to, or intimidated or threatened, the same freedom that so many people tout so highly and proclaim to be the glory of this union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one of the first casualties of a punitive/submissive society. You cannot, nor can anyone else, have it both ways - freedom on the one hand while deriding those who exercise their freedom on the other. Perhaps you've already conveniently forgotten those examples of abusive power and punitive authority as taught by the recently ousted regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq? Surely not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move there? Tom Fisher Dallas,TX - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:55 PM Subject: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15656 How We Lost the Victory By Ted Rall, AlterNet April 16, 2003 NEW YORK - We wanted it to be true. It wasn't. The stirring image of Saddam's statue being toppled on April 9th turns out to be fake, the product of a cheesy media op staged by the U.S. military for the benefit of cameramen staying across the street at Baghdad's Palestine Hotel. This shouldn't be a big surprise. Two of the most stirring photographs of World War II - the flag raising at Iwo Jima and General MacArthur's stroll through the Filipino surf - were just as phony. Anyone who has seen a TV taping knows that tight camera angles exaggerate crowd sizes, but even a cursory examination of last week's statue-toppling propaganda tape reveals that no more than 150 Iraqis gathered in Farbus Square to watch American Marines - not Iraqis - pull down the dictator's statue. Hailing all the demonstrations in the streets, Defense Secretary Rumsfeld waxed rhapsodically: Watching them, he told reporters, one cannot help but think of the fall of the Berlin Wall and the collapse of the Iron Curtain. Hundreds of thousands of cheering Berliners filled the streets when their divided city was reunited in 1989. Close to a million Yugoslavs crowded Belgrade at the end of Slobodan Milosevic's rule in 2000. While some individual Iraqis have welcomed U.S. troops, there haven't been similar outpourings of approval for our liberation. Most of the crowds are too busy carrying off Uday's sofas to say thanks, and law-abiding citizens are at home putting out fires or fending off their rapacious neighbors with AK-47s. Yet Americans wanted to see their troops greeted as liberators, so that's what they saw on TV. Perhaps Francis Fukuyama
Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory
I apologize if my need to simplify things has caused anyone undue distress. I am aware that there are wonderful conserative people in this world, and also that there are liberals who I want nothing to do with. I am so tired of hearing affluent/educated people speak as if they are God's chosen few and it's all right to pull themselves up the ladder of success by using poor people's heads for rungs. IMHO, supporting those who actully do the head stomping are just as guilty of a crime as those who are creating the abuse/neglect. How can people who profess to believe in freedom, stand by doing nothing while millions die each year of starvation, lack of clean water, and sanitation conditions that would kill a pig. We are all God's children, no matter what name we use. kris --- Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, Thanks, it was a long time ago since I stopped thinking left/right. This list is full of people with a social conscience and interest. This is very valuable and the political vote is not, as long as one follows ones belief. It is pitiful to use accusations as leftist as some form of offence. Even if my voting has gone center/conservative for most of my life, I have a large respect for other opinions, as long as they represent a genuine social conscience. I have met many admirable politicians and people in all political camps. What matters in the end is the position on the issues and how far they are going to satisfy financial backers. The people must have a priority, regardless of their political/religious position and it comes down to respect for them. If this is there, it is easily translated over language, borders and continents. Hakan At 09:15 AM 4/19/2003 -0700, you wrote: I forgot to put in that link: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/global-energyoptions/ --- Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Fish, I've fought and killed in Vietnam for the right to speak my mind and if you continue with this ridiculous love it or leave it crap, you'll be biting off a chunk that you will never be able to chew. The left wingers around here are loaded for bear and we already have a token righty that sends one or two line responses to our lengthy messages, so do yourself a favor and produce some evidence to support your views. The only righties that last around here are those who still show some ability to help others and that believe some what in fair play. Here's a link to a mailing list with about 900 right wingers that swallow every bit of propaganda put on their plate. You may be happier discussing the true virtues of nuclear energy, or how many Iraqis can be stuffed into an oil barrel. kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr. Fisher, Your apparency seems to be in need of a thorough washing. Once it is rinsed and dries and the distortion of your misunderstanding is lessened, what you will find is that many posters feel that there is an inordinate amount of dissatisfaction that correlates to the dishonesty, double standard, collusion and inequity in the present administration (and all too often in any other administration). Perhaps you find such behavior to be acceptable and might in fact even teach such unprincipled behavior to your own children? Many others (us), on the other hand, have been trying to weed such character flaws out of society for our lifetimes. What you might also find is that in societies that keep their tongues in check when demanded to, or intimidated or threatened, the same freedom that so many people tout so highly and proclaim to be the glory of this union (when it suits your purpose) also becomes one of the first casualties of a punitive/submissive society. You cannot, nor can anyone else, have it both ways - freedom on the one hand while deriding those who exercise their freedom on the other. Perhaps you've already conveniently forgotten those examples of abusive power and punitive authority as taught by the recently ousted regimes in Afghanistan and Iraq? Surely not. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: tboonefisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 3:22 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] How We Lost the Victory Apparently many posters here feel that the US is a horrible place to live. Where else would you prefer to live? And of course WHY don't you give up your US citizenship and move there? Tom Fisher Dallas,TX - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, April 18, 2003 2:55 PM Subject
Re: [biofuel] Is SARS a scam? and of course, more conspiracy theory
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Re: [biofuel] Rigged elctions--Read David Icke
If anyone would care to do a little research, you would find that most of those in the highest government positions in the last 20+ years all worked in the CIA or one of the multi-national banks when they weren't working for the government. It doesn't matter if they were Democrats or Republicans, they all have allegience to big bucks and black bags. kris --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A wonderful book written by David Icke --Alice in Wonderland and the Wold Trade Center Disaster-- Does seem to present evidence of election tampering. But when you consider both men, neither is outstanding in their REAL,PERSONAL accomplishments. Gore and Bush differed only slightly in their policies. One of the riggers was John Ellis, a Bush cousin who worked at the Voter News Service. Questions asked are: Did Govenor Jeb Bush, his Secretary of State Katherine Harris, and her Director or Elections, Clayton Rovers, know they had wrongly barred 22,000 black Democrat voters befor the elections? After the elections did they use their powers to prevent misread 27,000 ballots, but Jeb Bush's Secretary of State, Katherine Harris prevented these from being counted by hand... She did the same in Gladstone, only one in eight were counted. She is the same person who was CO-Chair of the Bush presidential campaign.(pg 95) Sounds too coinscindental to me! YODA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2CXtTB/ca0FAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] revote
And as long as the fox is guarding the hen house, the people will have to do without eggs and meat. I'm sure that it's been a very long time since there has been an election run fairly in the U.S. but, to put a Republican Secretary of State to count the votes in an election where the winner is also the Governor's brother, give me a break. Only a Right Winger would try to pass off such a farce as something genuine. Is all the stuff you've accumulated over the years worth the selling of your soul to keep it. Why can't you see that a level playing field is the only chance that mankind has of survival. Too many poor people are paying for your security, so why don't you try living on the right side (fair side) for a change. The time has arrived to put all of this senseless bickering aside, and for each and every one of us to except the responsibility to end starvation and see that every citizen of this planet has access to clean water and sanitation facilities. It's not enough to pull ourselves up out of the mess because, if we don't insure equality for all the elite will kick us back in the pot when they're done using all good Republicans to win the vote for them. I was a Republican until my wife broke her neck in a car wreck, and all of a sudden my $100K+ salary wouldn't even pay a third of our medical bills. And then the insurance ran out and I was forced to fall in this great country's safety net or put my wife in a nursing home at age 41. And now that Bush has raided over 50% of the entitlement funds that keep my family together, I have no choice but to call a pig, pork. kris --- Crabb, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: because unless everyone is honest, then you would have people voting for different candidates than before, because they didn't like the outcome. you would also have people, who didn't bother voting before, now voting. as well as people who voted before but can not take time off again to vote, due to various reasons. besides.. the cards had been counted many times. same results. Message: 1 Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2003 22:04:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Bringing democracy to Sweden The worst part of the whole bullshit mess was how the Democrats rolled over liked kicked dogs (nothing but a wimper). How could anyone with a sense of fair play be against a revote, when there were so many discrepancies. Our Forefathers must be turning over in there graves. If this continues, Republicans will soon be called Torys and we'll be dumping tea in Boston Harbor again. The Right Wing had better soon remember that, might isn't always right. I guess we had a King George back 228 years ago too. kris Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Bringing democracy to Sweden
The worst part of the whole bullshit mess was how the Democrats rolled over liked kicked dogs (nothing but a wimper). How could anyone with a sense of fair play be against a revote, when there were so many discrepancies. Our Forefathers must be turning over in there graves. If this continues, Republicans will soon be called Torys and we'll be dumping tea in Boston Harbor again. The Right Wing had better soon remember that, might isn't always right. I guess we had a King George back 228 years ago too. kris --- Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2003 12:04, you wrote: Bush was not elected on a rigged election. He was elected by the electoral college, per the design of our government. There was nothing improper about the election except the democrats attempt to change law to cook the numbers. Funny they had no problem with the voting system in Florida in previous elections. Steve Spence All I can say is that from here it looked anything but fair - many voters' were disenfranchised, and the way the count was accomplished seemed to me as an outsider, definitely not one man, one vote - ie a fair election. As I said, in Australia, I think a fresh election would have been called if there was any doubt. Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] cost of the war in Iraq
Bryan, Unfortunately, that is exactly how the huge propaganda machine works. First they bombard us with a huge portion of Bs and then they mix in a little truth, and before you know it everyone is confused and desensitized at the same time. Take a look at: http://www.totse.com/en/conspiracy/mind_control/165524.html kris --- Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Time actually published a photo of that boy in the latest issue. The worst part is not the fact that he lost both arms, but that his whole family was also killed in the attack. That morsel of information came from the caption under the photo in Time. There wasn't even spin trying to blame him for living too close to a valid target. Does this mean that the American mainstream media is reporting the whole story, or is it suppressing even worse atrocities? -BRAH -Original Message- From: Keith Addison [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 11:27 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] cost of the war in Iraq Two American listers have sent me these links offlist, though not both in the same post... Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:07:02 -0600 Subject: the cost of the war in iraq http://www.dailykos.com/archives/002286.html#002286 Monday | April 07, 2003 Ali Ismaeel Abbas, 12 I don't have a picture of this young Iraqi boy, and perhaps it's for the best: ... Click it and weep. All in the name of justice and liberty... But I suppose we're to accept that it's all the Iraqi anti-aircraft radar units' fault for confusing the missiles... Meanwhile some people think it's funny: Sent: Friday, April 04, 2003 10:20 PM Subject: Click this ontoo funny http://www.poofcat.com/iraq2.htmlBomb Iraq Sick. Keith Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=246920.2960106.4328965.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=1705 083269:HM/A=1513703/R=0/*http:/www.gotomypc.com/u/tr/yh/cpm/grp/300_06F/ g22lp?Target=mm/g22lp.tmpl http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=246920.2960106.4328965.1728375/D=egrou pmail/S=:HM/A=1513703/rand=208934337 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] This is cute....
Greg, I have no desire to enter this thread, I find it bordering on the ludicrous side of the scale but, your continued defense of an untenable position causes me to add my two cents worth. I know that because you and I have had similar problems on another list, that you'll probably decide that I'm just picking on you for past indescretions. If you'll spend a little time searching the archives, you'll find that Todd has helped more people find the info they are searching for than anyone, except Keith and Steve. You on the other hand always seem to be sending posts that are half baked and then you have to send another post to fix the problems you created in the first one. If you would just proof read your messages before clicking on that SEND button, most of these arguments could be avoided. kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save Smiley. Help put Messenger back in the office. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4PqtEC/anyFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] This is cute....
Most intelligent humans on this planet are aware that each and every one of us are first, citizens of this world and secondarily we are citizens of the country in which we were born in or migrated to. It is beyond my comprehension to understand how the people who have half way decent lives can be comfortable in their homes while so many others in this world have so little and suffer so much. How can we Americans be so callous to act as if it's alright to kill women and kids while hunting for a mad dog. I'm embarrassed to be an American these days. Americans have the shortest memories on record. While there are eight countries on this planet that have weapons of mass destruction, only one has ever been so heartless as to use them. Do you think that the citizens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki have forgiven us yet. I don't believe it was the initial blast that caused so much hatred for Americans but, when generation after generation watch their children being born with countless maladies caused by radiation dropped almost 60 years ago. WWII was supposed to be the war to end all wars, and it should have been. There is no good reason to make war. But, the absolute worst thing I ever heard of is for our soldiers to be sent back to a place where we fired DU ammunition in 1991. Our leaders know that those bullets fired 12 years ago are still killing anyone who gets within range of the radiation. This is not war, this is population control. Do those of you who support Bush not see that there is already a one in three chance that everyone of our soldiers will be killed by ammunition that's already been fired 12 years ago. This is not a war, it's the rich killing off the poor young men and women so they will never have a chance to create a lasting world peace. Wake up people, those in power would like nothing than to see all of us with the rights of a Biafran refugee. The middle class is almost gone and there will soon be only rich and poor. The conspiracy theory is real, so let's start talking about how to preserve the rights that our forefathers fought so hard to win. The poor out number the rich ninty to one, so there is no need to fight anymore. All we have to do is become empathetic with those who are suffering more than is tolerable. kris --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, If your bias and bent weren't so horribly distorted, it would almost be humorous. Take a look at how you attempt to distort a perspective as being only the perspective of one, when in fact vast numbers of the global populous believes the exact same thing. Thankfully, your eyes are not what the rest of the world has to rely on to focus. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Greg and April [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 11:11 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] This is cute - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 06:17 Subject: Re: [biofuel] This is cute Only two points need to be made here. 1) Show us the weapons of mass destruction. Those weapons that are the threat that have given a paranoid man the supposed moral authority and responsibility to engage nations in a manner that will, if not immediately then eventually, dole out death to thousands. Only time will tell for sure. 2) Simply because something is declared legal or given the air of state sanction does not make it any less a murder. Using legality as an escape clause for the vengeful and morally corrupt does not magically ameliorate that fact. Again you talking your opinion here, not other peoples opinion. Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE Cell Phones with up to $400 Cash Back! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_bBUKB/vYxFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html
Re: [biofuel] Offensive Interference
April 2, 2003 From Republican Rep. Ron Paul Wars cost money. The president wants $62.409 billion for military activities in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom. That amount is part of the so-called Wartime Supplemental bill that is being hastily put together so that it can be voted on tomorrow afternoon. But the total funds in the bill have already risen to $74.7 billion. With every passing hour, it seems that some new spending that bilks taxpayers and has nothing to do with the war is being added. No one in political life wants to be called unpatriotic, particularly during times of war. What can you do when your elected representatives take advantage of America being at war to add on unrelated spending that: 1. the president won't veto because he urgently needs to pay for the war; 2. congressmen won't vote against, for fear of being called unpatriotic; 3. the media won't report, so few people will know about; and 4. that taxpayers can't do anything about anyway? And just to seal the deal, they want to throw in a multi-million dollar payoff as hush money to the House of Representatives. These are patriots? In times gone by, mercenaries who did a lot less than this to take advantage of war would have been considered war profiteers and would have been taken out and hanged. How refreshing. Now, billions of dollars to expand unrelated governmental programs and special-interest payoffs will help re-elect these same types of scoundrels masquerading as modern-day members of Congress. What's in this bill outside the president's request for $62.409 billion to fund the war? Plenty. Here are a some examples: 1. $3.2 billion for an airline bailout; 2. $250 million for Department of Agriculture grants; 3. $69 million for Bill Emerson Humanitarian Trust; 4. $11 million for salaries and expenses for the House of Representatives (they already gave themselves a pay raise); 5. $5.5 million for the Library of Congress; 6. $6.8 million for the Congressional Research Service and General Accounting Office; 7. $16 million to research Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome; 8. $100,000 for the U.S. Court of International Trade; 9. $165 million for the Afghanistan Freedom Support Act. The bill also includes $8 billion in foreign aid: 1. $700 million in economic assistance for Jordan; 2. $500 million in economic assistance for Egypt; 3. $1 billion in economic assistance for Turkey; 4. $127 million for economic growth in Afghanistan; 5. $1 billion in military assistance for Israel; 6. $175 million in military assistance for Pakistan; 7. $170 million to train the Afghan National Army; 8. $406 million for Jordan...and the list goes on. How can they get away with this? Because the drum beat has already started. Who would have the courage to vote against all this unrelated spending when that No vote will be turned against them as a refusal to support our troops in war? It's up to you. The politicians are up to their same old tricks, this time taking advantage of Americans whose lives are in jeopardy on the battlefield. A clean bill to fund the president's request in support of the war could be submitted and approved, but the politicians can't pass an opportunity to put their hands in our pockets. Please contact your congressional delegation to help give them the courage to do the right thing. Go to http://capwiz.com/liberty/issues/alert/?alertid=3D1827421type=3DCO Kent Snyder The Liberty Committee http://www.thelibertycommittee.org --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not your budget, why do you care? ;-) You mean me? It's my world too. Since when were domestic issues in the US only domestic issues in the US? One world, only one. We all depend on each other. Best Keith Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter Discussion Boards. Read about Sustainable Technology: http://www.green-trust.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: [biofuel] Offensive Interference The other wartime disaster While all attention is focused on Iraq, the Bush White House is trying to hustle its outrageous budget through Congress. Robert Kuttner examines the series of spending cuts required to balance Bush's shameful tax-cut in the American Prospect. The biggest travesty: All told, the House budget cuts an amazing $14.6 billion in vets' programs, including money for disabilities caused by war wounds, rehabilitation and health care, pensions for low income veterans, education and housing benefits, and even -- nice touch -- burial benefits. http://www.prospect.org/print-friendly/webfeatures/2003/03/kuttner-r-03-27.h tml Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list
Re: [biofuel] This is cute....or not!
Does that mean also, that you can't kill in the name of peace? Governments have been slaughtering the young men under their rule for thousands of years by sending them off to war for a just cause. When will the people wake up and see that the rich have succeeded in convincing the inmates to guard the assylum. This war only benefits the Rockefellers and friends and they are not loyal to any country. And Greed is their God. War will never settle any disagreement, it will only escalate the suffering of the poor, and we (the people) have been conditioned to follow stupid orders long enough. I was already tricked into killing the enemy in the name of peace once, it's not a mistake I will commit again. The poor are the same everywhere, and negotiation and education are our only chance. We out number them more than ninty to one, so all we have to do is communicate to win. Any of you right wingers who really think that you are on the right side should be aware that the elite plan to toss you in the pot with the rest of us when they finish with their evil plan. kris kris --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: --- To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] This is cute 1. Thou Shalt Not Kill. No fine print. Seems straightforward enough. Break that one, the very first one on the list, you'd think you'd be in trouble with Da Man Upstairs, huh? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Thought Provoking?
The evidence continues to mount against those who wage war, any war, any time. The inmates are truly running the assylum now. Read on, and then tell me again that I should put my trust in this corporate government. kris Subject: Depleted Uranium: NOT an urban legend ---no *wonder* these wars are so CHEAP !! we don't count the HIDDEN costs in lives! if you add in all the health effects and lost lives this interview talks about, the cost of Gulf War I would be more like -- well, HUGE ! (i'm not an economist, hence unqualified to estimate) bobby g (just another white, middle class, balding guy for disrupting business as usual ... support our troops. bring them home now.) -- This is An Interview with Major Doug Rokke about the first war against Iraq, during which the Iraqis did not kill a single American soldier. We caused our own casualties. Forty thousand dead so far and counting. Doug Rokke has a PhD in health physics and was originally trained as a forensic scientist. When the Gulf War started, he was assigned to prepare soldiers to respond to nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare, and sent to the Gulf. What he experienced has made him a passionate voice for peace, traveling the country to speak out. The following interview was conducted by the director of the Traprock Peace Center, Sunny Miller, supplemented with questions from YES! editors. QUESTION: Any viewer who saw the war on television had the impression this was an easy war, fought from a distance and soldiers coming back relatively unharmed. Is this an accurate picture? ROKKE: At the completion of the Gulf War, when we came back to the United States in the fall of 1991, we had a total casualty count of 760: 294 dead, a little over 400 wounded or ill. But the casualty rate now for Gulf War veterans is approximately 30 percent. Of those stationed in the theater, including after the conflict, 221,000 have been awarded disability, according to a Veterans Affairs (VA) report issued September 10, 2002. Many of the US casualties died as a direct result of uranium munitions friendly fire. US forces killed and wounded US forces. We recommended care for anybody downwind of any uranium dust, anybody working in and around uranium contamination, and anyone within a vehicle, structure, or building that's struck with uranium munitions. That's thousands upon thousands of individuals, but not only US troops. You should provide medical care not only for the enemy soldiers but for the Iraqi women and children affected, and clean up all of the contamination in Iraq. And it's not just children in Iraq. It's children born to soldiers after they came back home. The military admitted that they were finding uranium excreted in the semen of the soldiers. If you've got uranium in the semen, the genetics are messed up. So when the children were conceived-the alpha particles cause such tremendous cell damage and genetics damage that everything goes bad. Studies have found that male soldiers who served in the Gulf War were almost twice as likely to have a child with a birth defect and female soldiers almost three times as likely. Q: You have been a military man for over 35 years. You served in Vietnam as a bombardier and you are still in the US Army Reserves. Now you're going around the country speaking about the dangers of depleted uranium (DU). What made you decide you had to speak publicly about DU? ROKKE: Everybody on my team was getting sick. My best friend John Sitton was dying. The military refused him medical care, and he died. John set up the medical evacuation communication system for the entire theater. Then he got contaminated doing the work. John and Rolla Dolph and I were best friends in the civilian world, the military world, forever. Rolla got sick. I personally got the order that sent him to war. We were both activated together. I was given the assignment to teach nuclear, biological, and chemical warfare and make sure soldiers came back alive and safe. I take it seriously. I was sent to the Gulf with this instruction: Bring 'em back alive. Clear as could be. But when I got all the training together, all the environmental cleanup procedures together, all the medical directives, nothing happened. More than 100 American soldiers were exposed to DU in friendly fire accidents, plus untold numbers of soldiers who climbed on and entered tanks that had been hit with DU, taking photos and gathering souvenirs to take home. They didn't know about the hazards. DU is an extremely effective weapon. Each tank round is 10 pounds of solid uranium-238 contaminated with plutonium, neptunium, americium. It is pyrophoric, generating intense heat on impact, penetrating
Re: [biofuel] Re: Arrogance of Power and a bunch of other war-related threads
Come on people, this whole left/right wing bickering is getting us nowhere. I'd like to try and make a little sense out of this whole mess, so we can get back to constructive discussions. First and foremost, I think we can all agree that all governments are corrupt. Every one of them is only concerned about its own agenda and there is no limit to what they will do to achieve it. Pointing fingers at other governments is ludicrous to say the least, when they all sleep in the same bed. Next, I am amazed that the majority of Americans can easily see propaganda coming forth from other countries but, here even intelligent, educated folks swallow this bitter media pill like it is candy. Did you know that a great amount of what we see in the news is now generated by advertising agencies. If you don't believe me do a little searching on the Web. http://www.u.arizona.edu/ic/humanities/september11/pages/Public_Opinion/United_States/Propaganda/ http://www.google.com/search?hl=enlr=ie=ISO-8859-1q=ad+agency+propaganda+in+the+u.s.+mediabtnG=Google+Search By now, I'm sure that most of you Republicans are calling me another damn hippee communist but, that is far from the truth. I fought in Vietnam as a machine gunner in a convoy unit (92nd Trans) and I saw all of the Nam and a good sized chunk of Cambodia. While we never stopped long enough to take a body count, I am an excellent shot so I estimate my own kills at between 15-20. I am a patriot but, I cannot support this war. First because, it is Unconstitutional and second this whole charade is no more a war than the last Gulf War was. In 1991, we did not lose one soldier to Iraqui fire and they had a lot more resources then. I do agree that Saddam is a real threat but, that is only to his own people and neighbors and possibly Israel. IMHO, we should have sent in only our Special Forces to capture or kill him or better yet just put a bounty on his head so his own people would be motivated to do the job. Do any of you think that Saddam's own soldiers support his agenda? I think that you will find that most of them follow orders for fear of what would happen if they resist his orders. Finally, I want to say that I think our money would be better spent making peace not war. For every Iraqui killed in this war, many more will become terrorists because that is the propaganda that is being slung in the Arab world. We will never achieve peace through violence in that part of the world, these folks live to die for a just cause. kris book P.S. All through history, the rich have maintained control of the world by convincing the masses that the other guy is the culprit. It's time to wake up and see that we all live under the rich man's thumb and if we'd stop hating each other for a few minutes, control will slip from their grasp. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Your own Online Store Selling our Overstock. http://us.click.yahoo.com/rZll0B/4ftFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Banning Paul
Mark, Everything you need to make biofuels can be found at the Journey to Forever Web site and any specific questions that you have will get answered here, believe it or not. All this war crap got started just about three or four weeks ago and will go away very soon(at least most of it will). Usually everyone gets along pretty well but, lately we seem to have found a few newcomers with tunnel vision compounded by the need to always get the last word in. For the most part everyone is here to figure out how to live without petroleum products and only use the earth's renewable natural resources. kris book -- Mark Ehle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, what I meant was, it really looks like this list is more about politics than biofuel. Is and has it always been this way? If so, I will just unsubcribe and you all can keep doing what you do. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Make Money Online Auctions! Make $500.00 or We Will Give You Thirty Dollars for Trying! http://us.click.yahoo.com/yMx78A/fNtFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
In a sunny climate like the mountains of New Mexico this thing will make around 250 kwh a day and at ten cents each that means about $25 a day worth of electricity. And figuring 300 days a year of good sunshine, that comes to about $7500 per year or less than six years pay back on the machine. All a person has to do is find a use for $25 a day worth of electricity. I can think of a few. kris --- Doug Allbright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went and checked that site out and the unit was 42,000 big ones. And that not with all the bells and whistles -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:24 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors Last time I asked the price was in the 5 digits. Wish in one hand and spit in the other to see which one fills up fastest. - Original Message - From: Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 7:04 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors I want one!! --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? I've seen their 1kW gennie in operation. It runs on biomass - wood chips, cobs and the like. Slick as a whistle, with their magnetically suspended piston. Sets into motion the imagery a bit like an overglorified pellet stove, coupled with the Stirling engine and a generator, all wrapped up in a portable and aesthetic package about the size of a 1-5 kW gasoline gennie. It's a great little unit, especially if the waste heat were coupled into a water or residence heating system. Just a bit on the pricey side though, as the few units made have been cast and prepared individually. It's going to take a seriously interested manufacturer to get the price down to the Home Depot (that's consumer warehouse) level. Todd Swearingen __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1457554/R=0/*http://ipunda.com/clk/beibunmaisuiyuiwabei http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=245454.2994396.4323964.2848452/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1457554/rand=442001186 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning Stirling Motors
Mark, You can stop waiting. http://www.stirlingenergy.com/default.asp kris --- Mark Foltarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey, I am just waiting to see any real stirling motors that can do any appreciable amount of work and are available for purchase. Little kits that power fans from hot cups of coffee are great for the Captain Kangaroo bunch. But are there any real motors on the order of 5 bhp that arer available for purchase? Sun Power in Athens, Oh ( http://sunpower.com/enthusiast/index.html) is supposed be to be some kind of Sterling mecca, but they are probably so tired of being inundated with basement tinkerers like myself, that they don't want to share much information. Also I believe their specialty now is the CryoCooler - a novel artifact of the sterling motor - it becomes a refrigirator if you run power in to it. Reverse the power input and the same end turns very hot. So the stirling motor can function as a heat pump. Todd have you ever chatted with those folks there at SunPower? There is a group on Yahoo called SESUSA (http://www.sesusa.org) . Good info there but I have not seen any real workable engines that would be considered a powerplant that is available to a regular joe. Still pretty exotic yet. Yours, Mark --- kirk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Still waiting to see a Stirling that is as efficient as other cycles across the same delta T. Kirk __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- New Yahoo! Mail Plus. More flexibility. More control. More power. Get POP access, more storage, more filters, and more. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Hcb0iA/P.iFAA/46VHAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning that really works with temps as low as 80C (176F)
I don't see what is such a big deal about working with ammonia. Every farmer (non organic) in the modern world handles it many times a year, and they're not known to be geniuses. Good plumbing procedure is a long way from rocket science. I wouldn't put a unit in my house but,there are many safe options. kris --- James Slayden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Granted it has been around a long time and still used in commercial refridgeration, but I think that the utilization of a sterling cycle compressor is a better way to go. Yes, ammonia refridgeration could be a stepping stone, but again the concentrated ammonia is highly poisonous. Dunno, whats the lessor of two evils. James Slayden On Wed, 26 Feb 2003, Hakan Falk wrote: James, Maybe I am starting to get old, but until around 35 years ago it was the dominant method in refrigerators. It is also a very common in nature and if I am not wrong it is to consider as a biogas, at least when I was young and worked with horses. Concentrated it is dangerous, but not more than some chemicals you use for making biodiesel. From an energy saving view, a solar driven air conditioner would be great product. It is built on ready for use technologies with some design changes. Could be a winner and silver bullet products. Relatively short implementation cycle, easy to manufacture, easy dimensioning, easy install and familiar technology. Well worth to investigate in more detail. The key was to lowering the demand on operating temperature and it seems that they found one good solution to this. Hakan At 03:39 PM 2/25/2003 -0800, you wrote: ammonia cooling is dangerous folks, be careful. On Tue, 25 Feb 2003, Kris Book wrote: It seems like most houses are well enough insulated that they only need cooling when the sun is shining brightly but, refrigeration of food and even greenhouses could benefit greatly from using waste heat to power this system during periods of low direct sunlight. kris --- David Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the same though.. why not use the waist heat from a veggie diesel co-generator for the heat source of this type of system. david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://members.aon.at/solarfrost/main.html Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Solar powered air conditioning that really works with temps as low as 80C (176F)
It seems like most houses are well enough insulated that they only need cooling when the sun is shining brightly but, refrigeration of food and even greenhouses could benefit greatly from using waste heat to power this system during periods of low direct sunlight. kris --- David Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on the same though.. why not use the waist heat from a veggie diesel co-generator for the heat source of this type of system. david [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://members.aon.at/solarfrost/main.html Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Troubled Times Slow Charge
Well Keith, I got a whole diferent view of that web site. I just spent a couple of hours there but, I didn't click on any of the Zeta info, because I read that stuff years ago. What I saw was a group of young guys, probably a lot like you and me at that age, who are not running around screaming that the sky is falling but, are trying to put their thinking caps on now, so they will have accumulated the knowledge necessary to rebuild after a cataclysmic event. Granted these guys are associating with the scam artists at Zeta but, I didn't see anything really wrong with their message except that Planet X is do to visit in the next 75 days or so. I'm not sure why I spend 2 or 3 hours almost everyday reading about all kinds of strange subjects but, something tells me to keep searching for any info that may be of help when the shit hits the fan. I'm not sure if the boogie man is economic collapse, WWIII, NWO, a pole shift, major earthquakes, or whatever but, I am convinced that it is time to accumlate as much knowledge as possible, so my kids have as good a chance at a decent life as I did. I admit to spending too much time looking at free energy sites but, I am convinced that one day humans will overcome their lack of a good clean fuel that will take them to the stars, and that means over unity. I don't see free energy as much different than folks felt about Thomas Edison or the Wright Bros., before they proved their theories were fact. And some day real soon all of the nay sayers will change their tune and will never again be so unwilling to try and give someone the benefit of the doubt on controversial subjects. I know that people like Dennis Lee have done untold harm with their scams but, I'm confident that most of these folks are trying to whip ass on the power brokers just like the rest of us. And I know that there have always been doomsayers predicting the end of civilization but, there have never been so many warning signs of civic collapse as we have had lately. kris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: krisbook wrote: This link will take you to a site that tells you how to charge a large deep cycle battery every two or three days without the use of a generator, solar panel, or even a hand crank. This technique uses static electricity to recharge batteries. Hm, maybe. There is a lot of good info at this site, spend some time reading about a lot of interesting subjects. Just click on The Hub at the bottom of the page. http://www.zetatalk.com/energy/tengx084.htm Um... Troubled Times believes that a world-wide cataclysm, of massive proportions, will strike the Earth in the year 2003. The cause of this natural event will be a monster planet, known to the ancients but as yet undiscovered by modern man, which will pass very near the earth as part of its normal 3,600 year orbit around the sun. We've had it here before Kris - the pole shift etc. Good info it ain't. Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Intro and question
It seems to me that anyone buying a car on this list, would buy it to run on biofuel and that can only help the cause. In my opinion, capitalism with a conscience is the best form of economics available. kris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: k5farms wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best, Jack Young www.jacksauctions.com 530.219.7900 (voice) 530.795.5536 (fax) Well, folks? Would we consider Jack's offer as SPAM? I have an idea there's a place for this, only I can't remember where it is. Didn't somebody post some such thing (me maybe)? Keith I would say it wasn't spam, it was directed directly at this list. The TDI's are holding the value and driving 2000 miles for a deal would not be uncommon. I don't think he would interrupt too much. But maybe you would prefer one to go to the maybe board?? No, I don't really have an opinion - if US members think it would be useful and others wouldn't object, then let's say yes please. Regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Please help with Yahoo problem
Thanks Keith and MM, It took a while but, your instructions took care of the problem except on one of the 27 lists I belong to, and I'll just rejoin that one. kris --- murdoch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have one or two different profiles, and one or two different email addresses to which mail can be sent. So, is it possible that somehow (if only by yahoo doing this without your knowledge) your profile or associated email address for this group might have been set to something different than it is set to for your other email addresses? I.e.: don't just check to see that the groups are set to individual emails, but also check that the profiles and email addresses are what you have been maintaining all along in those other groups (perhaps the same as this one, perhaps not). I believe all this can be checked under my groups but you may have to dig somewhat deeper, looking at this group first to see what the profile/addresses are, and then checking the other groups. I am skeptical that this will work, but it has come up once or twice for me. MM On Tue, 28 Jan 2003 07:59:42 -0800 (PST), you wrote: I belong to 27 yahoo mailing lists but, for the last 4-5 days this is the only list that is coming through to my mailbox. And every time I try to post to a list my mail bounces back. I've been to Yahoo Groups 3 times to try and find the appropriate link to click on but, I can't find anything about bouncing e-mail. I've also checked every one of the lists at Yahoo Groups and they are a filled out correctly for Individual E-mail. Help! kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Please help with Yahoo problem
I belong to 27 yahoo mailing lists but, for the last 4-5 days this is the only list that is coming through to my mailbox. And every time I try to post to a list my mail bounces back. I've been to Yahoo Groups 3 times to try and find the appropriate link to click on but, I can't find anything about bouncing e-mail. I've also checked every one of the lists at Yahoo Groups and they are a filled out correctly for Individual E-mail. Help! kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Impure Water
Try http://www.dnr.state.wi.us/org/water/dwg/iron.htm#treatment --- Alan S. Petrillo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hcr_ii wrote: Sorry to stray from the topic, but I thought the collective learning of the group might be able to help. Someone I know has just moved into a house with no mains water and so put in a borehole. Despite two filters installed by 'experts' the water is still strongly discoloured by iron. Can anyone suggest a reliable product to remove the contamination? The borehole is in Ireland by the way. Have you tried reverse osmosis? If it can be used to turn seawater into drinking water then it might solve your problem. Have a look here http://www.google.com/search?q=reverse+osmosis+home and you'll probably find more than you ever wanted to know about RO home systems. AP -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.net Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste: www.distributed.net __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
Ater doing a little reading, I must adjust my statement slightly but, Harmon you are way off base here. In this country both hemp and marijuana come from the cannabis sativa plant. And while hemp is taken from the female stem as well as the male, the male's fibers are much stronger, so are more highly valued. I can't find the link but, I read that high quality Manila rope comes exclusively from male plants. Like Keith said, there is 0.3% THC in hemp fiber and the drug czar claimed on TV the other day that today's marijuana has up to 30%. How high do you think you'll get on something that is 90 times weaker that what people are smoking. You can't sell male plant for any price, only an idiot would smoke something that will only give you a headache instead of a high. Do a few drops of alcohol make a cocktail? If you still think you are correct, then produce something more than just calling my statement nonsense. I know that you'll counter with,Internet sites are not proof of anything, but since we are using the Internet for this discussion, I will accept web sites that support your statement. Please read: http://www.ladybugsparlor.com/links/fiber.htm kris --- Harmon Seaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Kris Book [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hemp is the term used for the male and marijuana is the term used to describe the female cannabis plant. There are many subspecies but, all females are psychoactive and all males are not. Kris, this is total nonsense -- where ever did you get such a silly idea? The leaves of the male pot plants will stone you just as much as the leaves of the females. Growers usually kill the males only because they don't want the females to go to seed, which reduces their output, and because the males are rather sparsely leaved and don't have any of the big flowers (bud) that brings the highest price. And the females, neither flower nor leaves, of the hemp plants do nothing at all no matter how much of them you smoke. If you don't believe me, try posting that comment on alt.drugs.pot.cultivation once and see how much laughter it produces. Of course, the purists there will tell you not to bother with the leaves of either male *or* female, that only the bud is worthwhile, but there are plenty of people who happily utilize the male leaves while waiting for the females to mature. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
Hemp is the term used for the male and marijuana is the term used to describe the female cannabis plant. There are many subspecies but, all females are psychoactive and all males are not. Did you know that hemp was directly responsible for the Roman Empire's success in conquering the world. Armor, clothing, shoes, tack for horses, cooking oil, etc. were all made from hemp. kris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The hemp plant has no psychoactive properties. Cultivating hemp can help replenish spent soil. Hemp can grow almost anywhere, and requires far less pesticides than many other cash crops, such as cotton. Hemp can be used for fuel, fiber, food, medicine, and industry. Hemp seed is highly nutritious. Hemp fiber is durable and strong. Extractums made from hemp were a valued medicine for thousands of years, but prohibition in the 1930s ended all of that. Why was this valuable renewable resource prohibited? Evidence suggests a special-interest group that included the DuPont petrochemical company, Secretary of the Treasury Andrew Mellon (Dupont's major financial backer), and the newspaper man William Randolph Hearst mounted a yellow journalism campaign against hemp. Hearst deliberately confused psychoactive marijuana with industrial hemp, one of humankind's oldest and most useful resources. DuPont and Hearst were heavily invested in timber and petroleum resources, and saw hemp as a threat to their empires. Petroleum companies also knew that petroleum emits noxious, toxic byproducts when incompletely burned, as in an auto engine. In 1937 DuPont, Mellen and Hearst were able to push a marijuana prohibition bill through Congress in less than three months, which destroyed the domestic hemp industry. From : Hemp Powered Car Tours US, Canada http://www.freezerbox.com/archive/2000/12/hemp/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Petroleum's Role in Hemp Prohibition
I've read that when Diesel invented his engine, his intent was to use SVO as fuel. I also read that Rockefeller, Getty, and the boys were having a hard time getting farmers to sign oil leases, because the farmers could make more money from hemp. I'm sorry that I don't remember the sources, I'll try to find some references on the Web. kris __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Politics
Unless the common man steps up to confront the evil in charge of this world today, we will all lose what ever rights we cherish. The NWO has steadily progressed with their agenda, until it is almost too late for us to change what they've planned. As distasteful as discussing politics is, I believe that we all better get involved or the only discussing we'll be doing is how to get off this planet. We are all victims of the propaganda machine and it breaks my heart to read that intelligent beings are so easily fooled by the steady diet of crap that the media feeds us. How can Americans read proof that Franklin Roosevelt not only knew about the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor but, baited them into it to save our economy and then believe that the current administration is acting ethically and honestly with this supposed threat in the Middle East. How can we threaten war for possession of weapons that we also have. In fact, did you know that just one of our nuke subs has more firepower than all the ordinance used in WWII. For me the bottom line is that, we have throughout history been in a battle between rich and poor. Only now the media has convinced the majority of people that the rich are looking out for our best interests, and those that have risen above the poverty level are aiding this misconception, mostly because they're afraid to lose the comfortable status that they've attained. The NWO is soon to be a reality, let's do what we can to make it a fair deal for everyone. The time has come for all of us to get involved in world politics. Unless every citizen of the world gains the equal rights that Americans enjoy today, we will all end up with the same rights as the most abused have. The really weird thing is that one per cent of the world's population is dictating policy to the other 99%. The first thing we have to do is put an end to hate for our fellow man. We are all the same(or almost the same) in body, spirit, and daily needs, so please speak out until not one human dies of starvation or poor waste management. The poorest person in the world has the same desire to provide for his family as you do. We could make a good start by taking a family outing to the local park and just open a dialog or share your meal with someone who doesn't look just like you do. Peace, kris BTW, I killed 20 people in the name of peace for this country before my eyes were pried open. __ Do you Yahoo!? U2 on LAUNCH - Exclusive greatest hits videos http://launch.yahoo.com/u2 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Who defines it?? Was: Saddam unpopular?
Mike, Do yourself a favor, stop wasting the intelligence that God has given you. You are the victim of the largest propaganda machine the world has ever known. Everything that you read in mainstream media is just what the rich bastards that run this world want you to read, and unwittingly you are helping them maintain the status quo. The majority of the ultra rich work together in unison to keep the rest of us from joining them. It's not enough to be rich, they must feel superior and also be sure that their grip can never be released. Until Rockefeller and his buddies moved in on the Middle East with their lust for oil/power, all that separated the Saudi King from the rest of the citizens there were a few extra goats, a couple of tents, and a harem. These same folks run every government from behind the scenes. It matters not who wins a war, within a very short period of time things revert to the same old ugly mess. It's really quite simple, any of us could do the same if we had billions of dollars to throw away in order to maintain the standard operating procedure. As long we argue about these subjects, we are doing exactly as the greed mongers want us to do. As long as whites hate blacks, men control women and kids, countries dictate to others how to govern their citizens, etc., we are in reality guarding the prison gates for them. I say,Let's take back our birthright, and free every human on the planet. Unless we all have equal rights, none of us are safe. All wars must be abolished, so that all young men have an opportunity to see their descendants grow up and prosper. Anything less should be labeled a criminal act. kris book __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled by a CIA set up...NOT
I think that this song pretty much puts it all together.LOL kris From: ozregeneration Date: Mon Sep 30, 2002 4:00 am The famous Vietnam War protest anthem written and performed by Country Joe McDonald at the historic Woodstock concert in 1969, has been re-released with updated lyrics to serve the rapidly growing anti-Iraqi War movement. http://www.healingcelebrations.com/iraqiwarsong.htm http://www.healingcelebrations.com/ra/isong.ram MUSICAL LYRICS: Come on all of you dumbed down men. The son of a Bush needs your help again. He's got himself in a terrorist jam. When daddy sent chemicals off to old Sadam, so Roll up your sleeves for vaccines in your arm, They don't tell you that their doing you harm! And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for Most know it's the same old scam, next stop is old Bhagdad. And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates Well, we've got no mind to question why, whoopee we're all gonna die Now prepare yourselves generals for the big blast India and Pakistan are heating up fast Why you should go out and kill Afghans is Cause the only good Taliban is one that's dead. They say global peace can only be won When they blast us all to kingdom come And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for The clueless just don't give a damn, where the hell is Pakistan? And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates With Prozak minds we don't care to know why, whoopee we're all gonna die. Now come on wall street don't be slow, why man this is war so go-go. There's plenty of big fortunes to be made, by supplying the Chinese with the tools of its trade. Just hope and pray that if they start the bombing, they drop them on Osama Bin Laden. And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for Most know it's the same old scam, Wag-the-dog at old Sadam. And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates Well, we've got no time to wonder why, whoopee we're all gonna die. So come on mothers throughout the land pack your boys off to old Bhagdad come on fathers don't hesitate send your girls too before their wedding date Be the first ones on your block to have your kids come home in a box And it's one, two, three, what are we fighting for The clueless just don't give a damn, about the oil in Afghanistan And it's five, six, seven, open up the pearly gates Well, Rockefeller says the population's too high, and half of us need to die. So come on all of you dumbed down men, The son of a Bush needs your help again, He's got us all in a terrible jam. Ousting daddy's partner old Sadam, So don't roll up your sleeves for any shots in your arm. It's just smarter to stay on the farm. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Home Selling? Try Us! http://us.click.yahoo.com/QrPZMC/iTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled...
Keith, I love your style: The truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. Unfortunately, most Americans are fed such a diet of propaganda through the mainstream media that sooner or later 70% start to believe the bullshit. To Americans, anyone who can be consistently shown wearing a black hat in the media, should be removed from society by any means necessary. For some reason that I cannot understand, these same folks feel that the U.S. has a right to administer ultimatums to other sovereign nations, which do not fall within the frame work of our Constitution. Wake up world, the tail is wagging the dog. And before any of you patriots start telling me to take a hike, know this. I killed twenty human beings in the name of peace, justice, an the American way, before I found out the truth. So please, first ask yourself if you would want to send your own son to Iraq over a few barrels of oil. Since Hiroshima, war has become obsolete. This world would be a lot better off with about 1000 little nations all agreeing to disagree. With honest and fair treatment for every citizen of the world. Education and communication, tempered with respect is the only chance for mankind. We are currently in grave danger, read your Constitution and demand that It be upheld, before it's too late. kris book --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bryan Fullerton wrote: The problem is that some threats are best dealt with before their fruits are realized.. Guilty until proven innocent? Trust me. if you in your little scenario had included that you just came from an alqaida(spell) training camp they probably would have arrested you on less evidence then that. Intelligence missed these guys on sept 11. there is no way they want that to happen again. Okay, but I wonder if they're any more efficient now than they were then. Saddam is sucha lunatic if he had nuke capability he would use it. Of course he would use it onl his own people first. He used chemical weapons on Iran with great success 20,000 dead from it. The US believes that he will be the next great supporter of infiltration into the US of terrorists.. Personally i dont see what the difference is in defending ourselves and or defending the 100 or 200,000 of his people that he wants to slaughter. This is complete nonsense. Saddam Hussein is not a lunatic, he's much too smart to nuke anybody, the US is doing just the right thing if it want to ensure an endless stream of anti-US terrorists, no need for any help from Saddam Hussein, and the US itself has been not been averse to such mass-slaughters in the past, when it saw its interests served. And no I'm not anti-US. I'm just anti-nonsense. And nonsense such as this is quite well known for getting folks killed - other folks, far away. Keith - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 5:16 AM Subject: [biofuel] The BBC has been fooled... I dunno, I've been hearing a lot about this Saddam Hussein/Iraq thing ... and it annoys me that here we are ... threatening to bomb Iraq. And I can't figure out what Iraq's ever done to us first. I mean, have Iraqi planes ever flown over the U.S.?? Dropping BOMBS?? Have any missiles with Iraqi serial numbers on it ever hit any US targets?? All I keep on hearing ... is that Saddam is such a threat. That we must bomb Saddam because he is such a threat. No act yet .. but he is such a threat. I thought America was the land of prosecute the act. Not prosecute cause we think maybe ... he might In the news tonight, Police broke down the door of Curtis Sakima. Just because on one side of his house was found smokeless powder (for my rifles .. legal) and on the other side of his house was found plumbing pips (from a recent home upgrade). Police are arresting him on the POSSIBILITY that he MIGHT be manufacturing WEAPONS OF LOUD PERCUSSION (pipe bombs) and have him in custody, demanding him to defend himself and prove otherwise. Golly, I can see it now. Curtis --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -snip-- What the document entirely fails to do - and possibly could never have done - is show that Saddam Hussein is a current threat, or what his future intentions are... snip-- Now what does all that remind me of? Weak. If there were a smoking gun we'd definitely know all about it beyond any doubt. Just oil. And politics. The two hopelessly confused as ever, when it comes to the US. Keith __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC
Re: [biofuel] BIOFUEL FROM GARBAGE
http://www.cityfarmer.org/roofttopmicrofarm.html#microfarms --- Kenneth Arthur Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have any info or suggestions, on this matter?. Liquid is the preferred fuel form. Please not too technical, my last chemistry class was in 1947. Ken [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Biogas Digester
I found a web site that discusses an aerobic/anaerobic biodigester. They claim that what is left after the methane is removed is so clean that the effluent can be used as a complete hydroponics solution or as a conventional organic fertilizer. http://www.hydor.eng.br/Pag21-1.html --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read interesting article in Permaculture Magazine no.30 about Jean Pain and his work with shredded woodland thinnings. A search on the net turned up this http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/permaculture/2002-March/000294.html which summerizes(follow the threads for more) . Sorry if this has been discussed before but I either wasn't paying attention or wasn't about. Interesting he produced methane from the woodland wastes and used the compressed gas for vehicles, machinery and generator. Used the heat of the compost process for his house and greenhouses. The system brings woodlands into economic use while maintaining them in a good condition. Provided employment and useful compost. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home for Top $ http://us.click.yahoo.com/RrPZMC/jTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Green Waste to Biodiesel
http://www.cityfarmer.org/roofttopmicrofarm.html#microfarms --- Tim Roberts-Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Green Waste is any waste containing greenery ie.forest waste,farm waste,household waste.Current trend is towards composting.I am interested in whether a biofuel can be produced from it along the lines of cornethanol in the USA.$0% of waste in UK is Green Waste.Any help gratefully received. Thanks Tim -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 16 August 2002 23:02 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Green Waste to Biodiesel Uhh...Que es green waste? Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Tim Roberts-Holmes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: [biofuel] Green Waste to Biodiesel Hi there, I would be extremely grateful if anyone out there knows of a process to create biodiesel from Green Waste. Thanks Tim Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets
I just found 35 acres here in Southern Colorado for $45K and it has water, power, and a half interest in a natural gas well. kris - Original Message - From: Curtis Sakima Sent: Saturday, August 10, 2002 17:03 Subject: [biofuel] Re: SUV [lack of] mindsets BTW, where the hell do you get 25 acre for $45K ... that's quite a deal compared to what I've seen __ Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs - Search Thousands of New Jobs http://www.hotjobs.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: I think I finally found a good cheap energy site!
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Re: [biofuel] Hubbert Peak
Keith, I think you've accidently hit on the best answer to our energy problems. If we were to process all the politicians, we'd have a huge reserve of oil. LOL And do it NOW - and not just because of Hubbert's Peak. Not even because of Hubbert's Peak, there are far more pressing reasons than that. I guess you might have to do something about your politicians first, LOL! Keith __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] One man's solution: was Mass Production
Chritopher, Do you have any references for underground greenhouses? Ones of the options we are exploring is using commercial concrete tilt-up technology to make solar greenouses that are partially buried. We plan to use a variation of the link below to put up solar greenhouses in about the same time it takes to put up an arch style commercial greenhouse. http://www.hollowtop.com/cls_html/tiltup.htm kris --- Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kris, Have you ever tried underground greenhouses? These retain heat much better than conventional greenhouses that are entirely above ground level, staying warm enough to keep crops growing through even the coldest winters of the contiguous 48 states. They are also cheaper to build than conventional greenhouses. Christopher Witmer Tokyo Kris Book wrote: My wife and I want to see a commercial greenhouse on every vacant lot, parking lot of every church, school, hospital, and in every neighborhood in the world. With the right backing, organic greenhouse farming combined with aquaculture can become a top ten franchise. Well, I'm out of time again, duty calls. When you get a few minutes to spare, please drop me a line with your thoughts on these subjects. I would appreciate it, if you will pass this letter on to anyone that you think may be interested in talking about my system. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Code
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Forgive my ignorance but could someone please complete the following... IMHO - In my humble opinion FWIW - ? OTOH - ? IMO - In my opinion LOL - Laugh out loud BS- Bull shit TIA (Thanks in advance) James __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Tesla design?
Are these guys on the level? http://www.angelfire.com/mi2/pnginc/comphistory4.htm Microturbine Generators 1998 - 2001 PNGinc is prototyping 5 KW and 10 KW electrical generators for home and small business applications. Our Power Turbineú designs are being developed for localizing, rather than centralizing, public utilities. These smaller, clean-burning turbine engines can provide efficient, quiet power right down to the single family unit. As far as projected specs: Our 10 hp and 20 hp generators will produce 5 kW and 10 kW respectively, achieving a (fuel-to-shaft) efficiency of approximately 60%. The co-generator versions are able to recover another 20% of lost heat for environmental heating, etc. This will bring the overall thermal efficiency of the co-generators to around 80%. 100 times cleaner burning than piston engines conventional bladed turbines! Quiet! Compared to diesel generators in enclosures (70 db at 20 feet) our co-generator will fall in the 30-40 db range at zero feet. A lifetime investment -- never needs replacement! Extremely low maintenance! Projected life expectancy approximately 10,000 hours between overhauls on main bearings (the only wearing components of the turbine main assembly) Since Phoenix turbines are multi-fuel capable (even works on chopped dried crop residues with the addition of a wood-gas generator), customers will be able to shop around for the best price on fuels in their locale. These generators can also be used to drive gensets in hybrid vehicles. Development is ongoing... GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/NsdPZD/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Witch Hunters
Well, I had hoped to avoid this thread entirely, since I am friends with most of the folks involved, and although I don't know Keith well, I respect Keith very much for all the thankless work he does. But now that Bob has reared his ugly head, I'll put my two cents in too. I'll start by disputing Bob's claim that Todd is the Internet's most foul mouthed snot. Well, I've read more than 100 of Todd's posts and never has he crossed the etiquette line without first being treated totally unethically by John Grant, Bob Unforth, and couple of other Nukelheads. In fact, I was amazed that he could keep his composure in light of all the lies, fact twisting, and number manipulation going on the EnergyOptions list. When this whole nanotech thread started, I was taken back a little at how agitated Mike became at Steve's quick dismissal of the technology's worth. You'd think that after spending so much time on the EnergyOptions list with all the arguing and name calling that, Mike's skin would be a little thicker. And since Steve always gives short frank answers, why get upset about business as usual. I always give Steve the same respect I'd give to a college professor, whether I agree with his opinion or not(he's earned it). The bottom line for me is, that since Todd and Keith feel as strongly as they do about Mike's ethics, then I will have to pay more attention to what Mike is saying, until I can figure this out for myself. I'm on a few of Mike's lists, and until now I had never seen any red flags. I'll wrap this up by stating for any newcomers to the list that IMHO, Steve, Todd, and Keith are above reproach, at least where alternative energy is concerned. kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's Bob huh? Wouldn't be Bob Unforth? The same guy who shoots down every post about wind, solar and other AE at the same site in question, with over escalated pricing and under valued wind and capacity factors? The same guy almost everyone with half a brain has taken to task for repeatedly errant and omissive calculations? And oddly enough one of .(urp!)'s most ardent supporters..? Somehow you seem to believe that age is an excuse for really obnoxious and slanderous social skills, thereby a qualifier for permitting such abuse by ..(urp!) to continue ad infinitum. As a result, you somehow seem to believe that it's acceptable for a person to slander without substance, issue insult without cause, defame without personal knowledge, debase without data and generally defraud through continual mis-representation and dis-information. All for what? So that a single person of any particular age can feel wanted? Try balancing this out with your rather dull reasoning skills - one person permitted to irradicate literally handfuls of hundreds off a list, no matter their age, interests or intellect, simply because they don't agree with his singular mindset and constant manipulation and distortion of facts. It doesn't matter if .(urp!) is the pope, the king of Siam or my own grand dadhis behavior is what one would expect out of the Back End of [a] Horse. And those who support such behavior, especially those in the position of moderator, openly display gross irresponsibility by placing one person's BS over the honest intent and needs of hundreds. As for your being flabbergasted by any response made to or about Mr. Finley in particular or others, you might try getting acquainted with some of the supportive material before you get your dainties all bunched. Mr. Finley's own off list correspondence to this soul, offering rationale for his madness , which has resulted in the on going and ceaseless abusive cycle at [the so called] Green Energy [so called] Options would be enough to nail his sorry butt to the wall for criminal neglect, if not intent, were it to occur anywhere outside of the virtual world. And Mr. Bowers would be found equally as guilty for aiding and abetting. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: farm_green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 11:41 PM Subject: [biofuel] Witch Hunters During the fifteen months green-energy-options has existed Mike Finley has extended more kind remarks, endorsements and referrals to Keith Addison and Steve Spence than anybody else. Mike remarked frequently how impressive the journeytoforever website was and how valuable the internet service is that Keith and Steve provide. I find this whole flare up kind of puzzling and tend to feel its MikeF whose the real victim. Steve Spence can get real overbearing and keeps telling people to 'forget' hydrogen. When it comes to most energy matters I'm sure Steve is a solid source of facts, but I'm far from alone in distrusting his anti-hydrogen bias. This flare up began with Steve dismissing any possibility hydrogen could be drawn from water
Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists
Harmon, I think you deserve three points for that last shot. AMEN -- Yes, it is biofuels, and you're right, we've once again gone far afield. I guess what is really mind-boggling is that there are people who want to use biofuels, not because they want to tread more lightly upon the earth, but so they'll have more fuel (especially as fossil fuels run out) to continue raping her. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists
--- coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguing with those who are unbalanced is a waisted effort. So Im not going too. I suggest you few still arguing your points stop here ___ Do you have the degree to go with your diagnosis. If not please refrain from name calling, that is about as childish a statement as I have heard. Todd has proven himself to be one of the most helpful and knowledgeable folks around here. You have a far piece to travel to be as respected as Todd is, and making stupid statements about a person's sanity will not get you any closer to acheiving that same respect. All of the pro off-roaders arguements fail to address the fact that whether or not you drive fast or slow, you are damaging the ecosystem as soon as you pull off the trail. Now there may be a few who always stay on the trail and there may be a few that could not enjoy the wilderness without some mechanical means(my wife is in a wheelchair) but, these folks don't add up to 1% of off-roaders. To me the main point to be made here is that man has done more damage to the earth in the last 100 years than all the years before of recorded history, and if each of us don't start right now to do every little thing that we can to not only stop damaging Mother Nature but, do something regularly to heal the wounds inflicted by mankind, our descendants will have nothing left to enjoy. kris book --- coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Arguing with those who are unbalanced is a waisted effort. So Im not going too. I suggest you few still arguing your points stop here __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: 4x4 vs. hardcore environmentalists
I can accept that but, you should be fore warned that in my opinion, you Christopher seem to be the instigator in a few of these long off topic tiffs. And I being a person who lives in a clean house, will from now on be pointing out(just sweeping up) the fact that you like to stir up shit and should be avoided whenever you're involved in an arguement. We go months here without a spat but then, I don't think you care much about what other people say, do you. You might be happier on a debate list where everybody likes to argue. kris --- Christopher Witmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey guys, the simple fact of being a pig-headed idiot is its own punishment. It's hot, at least where I live. Why don't we drop this so we can all take off our flameproof suits for a breath of fresh air? Otherwise I'm afraid Keith might just change the name of this list to Biofool. -- Christopher It Takes One to Know One Witmer __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space
Harmon, The tire spikes and razor wire may be a little severe but, I can empathise with your disgust. I have personally left a couple of dickheads laying crumpled in the dust(one got a good left hook and the other a nice kick in the balls) for their blatant disregard for my right to keep my property free from earth abusers. I believe that there will come a time real soon where people who commit crimes against the earth will be prosecuted with equal fervor as those who commit crimes against people. kris --- harmonseaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], coachgeo3 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am an avide offroader and we have seen PUBLIC land closed to the PUBLIC way to much. Yes... their are peope who abuse the land but lets punish that small percentage not the larger percentage of those who do not. All, and I mean *ALL*, motorized offroad use needs to be stopped ASAP. And that includes motorboats. There's just no excuse for polluting and using up precious resources for recreation. The noise factor alone is reason enough. If the gov't won't do it, I'll bet tire spikes in the trails and barbed wire neck high will. I have property in the north woods in a national forest -- the off-roaders laugh at no-tresspass signs. People in WI and MN have been threatened, assualted, and even run over when trying to stop off-roaders from trespassing on their property. Off-roaders are a pack of disgusting subhuman vermin the world could do without. Anybody too lazy to get off their fat ass and walk, ski, paddle, or sail shouldn't be allowed in the outofdoors. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Open Season on Open Space
The way I see it is. If you can't leave this planet's natural wonders better than when you found them, STAY HOME! No one has the right to defile these beautiful places one iota. Our descendants are going to find survival hard enough, without more thoughtless entertainment. I doubt very much that a 4x4 can travel through the wilderness without doing damage. I don't expect you to stop having fun but, please take a second or two to consider your actions. kris book __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Autos - Get free new car price quotes http://autos.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Save on REALTOR Fees http://us.click.yahoo.com/Xw80LD/h1ZEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Revealed: how the smoke stacks of America have brought the world's worst drought to Africa
Well said Keith, this guys numbers are totally out of whack. They are so far from correct, that I suspect that Christoper is a paid propaganda writer. His words sound very much like someone who is involved in the black ops profession. It seems like every list that is set up to do some public good is infected with these folks who just keep causing friction. I sure wish these know-it-all creeps who offer nothing but opinion yet demand proof, would get their own damn list. kris --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, Mr Witmer It's not often that a person has both Gary North and Bjorn Lomborg quoted at him in the same day. If you and them make three straight saws, I'll be fully confident in cutting a dead straight line with my allegedly bent one. No, it's not something akin to a religious confrontation, not by any means. That would simply be the last resort of someone who's been confronted with contrary evidence and been unable to produce any of his own, abandoning his points along the way as they became untenable, pretending they never existed in the first place, and finally being left without a leg to stand on, and hence this retreat into an essentially non-rational arena, hoping to find safety there. It's just cant. As is the stuff below about science. Well, Keith and other friends, what we really have here is something akin to a religious confrontation, because the disagreement involves fundamental differences in worldview and presuppositions. For example, a perusal of reviews of Bjorn Lomborg's The Skeptical Environmentalist: Measuring the Real State of the World ( http://amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0521010683/ ) shows that there is virtually no middle ground: everyone either loves it or loathes it. And that has been the case since the modern environmentalist movement began with books like Rachel Carson's Silent Spring, which similarly produces extreme reactions from readers. I have profound disagreements with the entire set of Malthusian, Darwinian, Marxist and Freudian presuppositions that pervade most of modern thought, especially in the sciences. Science is hardly value-free and neutral. The set of presuppositions that any scientist brings to his work will surely affect the outcome of that work. As I see it, modern scientists include lots of brilliant men, and most of them are cutting with a bent saw. It doesn't matter how sharp a bent saw is, it still can't cut straight. The vast majority of scientists study neither the history of scientific thought nor the philosophy of science, and thus fail to recognize that according due to the presuppositions of their modern worldview, there is no way they can explain how science even ought to be possible. To me these scientists seem to be living an incongruity without ever becoming aware of the fact. Be that as it may, I recognize there is a huge body of research purporting to support the conclusion that a global warming disaster is in the making. Well, if our bent-saw researchers continue cutting long enough, they shall come full circle. They shall produce new theories to replace their previous discredited theories, and the new theories will be accepted as gospel, just like the earlier ones were. Not to worry, there will no doubt be a steady stream of new environmental crises to keep everyone fully employed. As for me, I plan to continue driving a biodiesel or SVO vehicle happy in the knowledge that I am thereby saving money and eliminating unnecessary local pollution and waste, but not overly concerned about how that affects the climate/weather on the opposite side of the globe. I will gratefully avail myself of the excellent biodiesel resources available on this list and at websites like Keith's JTF, and shall simply sidestep what I perceive to be the ideological cow patties littering the field. Sorry for having taken up bandwidth with a discussion that, albeit important, is peripheral to this list's main matter of business. We've had quite a few discussions about what this list's main matter of business is, and here's the answer: whatever we like. Who says so? I do. And with good reason, which, if you care to, you'll find very rationally outlined in the archives, sans religion, sans politics, and several times. What it all comes down to, in this case, is that you flung about quite a few unwarranted opinionations that you were unable to support when challenged, any more than you'd be able to support those above. But at least now you don't even claim that they're anything but opinions. I'm afraid you don't demonstrate much knowledge of the history of thought or the philosophy of science, nor of the current status of either of them. You can pin your Malthus, Marx and Freud labels on someone else, if you please, though I'll admit one of my favourite books is Darwin. Not the one you're
Re: [biofuel] Glitches?
Todd, I've also been having lots of wierd stuff happening to my e-mail lately. Maybe one of the pro-nukers from the EnergyOptions list got revenge on us for telling everyone what's going with Nuke Energy. Somehow my whole e-mail and Internet connection disappeared from my computer last week. After 23 minutes @ $1.99 a minute on the 900 customer service # I had retrieved my Address Book. Anybody know how to restore my e-mail folders for the hard drive? Ever since, I receive 4 or 5 total blank posts a day from addresses I don't recognize and not one has bothered to clarify their first post. Could be that someone doesn't want us to change anything around here. Can you tell me if there exists a program that can truly protect my computer from dirty tricksters? kris book --- Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith, I've received a half a dozen messages from Lyrus ListManager in the past week saying that I'm already a list member - to what I don't know as I've not upped or re-upped on anything in months save for the Bio-Biz list at Yahoo last week. __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [wastewatts] Re: [biofuel] Re: Making Ethanol Fuel
Mike, Just what do you think the yellow and blue parts of a flame are made of? You should trying breathing in a room that has a yellow flame burning in it for a while. Have you visited Steve's Web site? There may be someone who has done more than Steve has to promote AE (alternative energy) but, I haven't heard of him/her yet. kris book [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
