Re: [Biofuel] free inline fuel heater?
I just purchased some dipstick engine heaters. But I live in europe and they came from america, so they are 120V. Now, if I plug them in to the 220V plugs, I know that they will give twice the heat. What I want to know is that does the heat dissipate off these things fast enough for it not to burn. And it should have some kind of overheat prevention mechanism could this also work with 220V. Does anybody have any experience Thank you in advance. Teoman Mery Chirstmas to all who celebrate it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Guag Meister Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2005 4:45 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] free inline fuel heater? Hi Rob ; Joe, have you ever tried to take the works from a Mr coffee machine and hook them up to DC? Probably not enough power to heat quickly. Resistance = Voltage squared/power. Assuming you are discussing a 120V appliance, and if we simplify and say the resistance is constant with changing temperature, we have : Resistance = 120 * 120 / 850 = 17 ohms. Connected to 12V this would produce 8.5 watts of heating. I think too small to heat fuel effectively. Best Regards, Peter G. Thailand __ Yahoo! for Good - Make a difference this year. http://brand.yahoo.com/cybergivingweek2005/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Alternative way of producing bd (using electric)
Some time ago ther was a thread about producing bd in an alternative way, using electricity. Very high voltages were necessary. I recently saw one of those electric zapper thingies. The ones used for self protetction. Handheld device that gives 200.000 volts. And it operates on 2 x 9V batteries. When you use the device you can actually see the electric arc jump about 2 cm in the air. You could use this device for the generation of high voltages. Hope someone finds this info is usefull. Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts
I let some of my BD settle for about 2 months (indoors, 22 degrees celcius) and by the time I got to the washing stage I noticed that it was rather clear with some white sediment at the bottom. And when I washed It I did not observe much soap formation. And the separation was almost immediate like I was mixing vegetable oil and water. Now after two days the water still looks fairly clear. The bd is slightly cloudy. First I worried that I hadnt completed the process and that what I was washing was more vegetable oil rather thatn Bd, but reprocessing it didn't give any glycerine. Is there any error here? Thanks for any advice Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Appal Energy Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2005 3:01 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] two stage proccess... doubts ReZn0r, Settling time is simply letting gravity do the separation work for you, rather than enlisting equipment such as centrifuges. The more glycerol/soap that is extracted by settling the less impediment to the subsequent step, whether it be stage two or washing. Todd Swearingen Hi We are making BD with a homemade reactor (80 liters). We have used de single stage and de two stage (base-base) methods succesfuly, but we still having many doubts :) In the two stages method described in journeytoforever, the mix settle around 12 h between first and second stage before extract the glycerine. It?s necessary to settle so many time? It?s bad if any glycerine is not decanted and is mixed in the second stage? Is there any trick to avoid to wait 12 h between first and second stage? Many thx in advance and sorry for my bad english ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Any known functional groups? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris Tan Sent: Sunday, October 30, 2005 1:58 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution Hydrocarbons are relatively inert. They only undergo reaction at vigorous conditions such high pressure and/or high temperature, i.e. with a spark(kaboom!). A reactant would need to have what is called a functional group to react at less vigorous condition. With alcohols, the functional group is -OH which makes it react. Best, Chris -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 7:00 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution How would you react the solution with the gas? Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Propane becomes liquid under pressure. Mehtane would be bubbled through the solution. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 5:00 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution How would you react the solution with the gas? Teoman Naskali wrote: Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution
I knew that somebody would have thought of it if it were possible. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of michael skinner Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 2:24 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution The reaction works by replacing one alcohol with another in Fats you have glycerol which has 3 alcohol groups which are attached to 3 fatty acids when you react an alcohol with a acid you get an ester it is call a transesterification because you substitute one alcohol for another since the alkanes you mentioned do not have an alcohol group you could not use them doing the transesterification reaction. if you could catalytically oxidize to form a alcohol ... (oxidize alkane think explosion or fire) them maybe. Original Message Follows From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Methanol substitution Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 01:15:35 +0300 Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD solidification
The weather is starting to get colder here, and my test batch just solidified. Its only 5 degrees celcius outside, Is this normal? I was using cooking oil from a university cantine, that is normally solid at these temperatures. Should I start tryin the 2 stage methods. Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Buck Williams Sent: Saturday, October 29, 2005 9:28 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car,ZXX that alriaahgt,, thank yuour very much,,, i odnt mind, From: Ken Dunn [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] diesennn engine to a gasolians car, Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2005 14:14:36 -0400 On 10/29/05, Gary Moro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just like Ken, I don't know you either Buck. However reading your message has put a big smile on my face with admiration for your life full of experience and your determination to push on regardless. Thanks for putting the spark back in my day. More power to you mate - greets from down under the equator. :-) Regz, Gary I had intended for the discussion to be private. I'm sorry Buck. On the upside though, at least you were an inspiration to more than just myself. Take care, ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.o rg Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Methanol substitution
Just a thoght bu would it be possible to use methane or propane or buthane instead of methanol? One would have to have some methanol for the methroxide but still... that would save a lot of money. Has anynone experimented? Any good reason why I shouldn't? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] BD in heaters
One of my friends heats his 3 story building with fossil diesel. I have just agreed to sell him BD, (about one and a half tons) Does such a system need conversion to BD? What could go wrong if he stars usin bd instead of dinodiesel. Would corrosion be a problem? Ill check his hoses. Better be safe than sorry. Thanks in advance Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
My engine is a 2.5 liter turbo charged Hyundai starex 98 engine ( I have heard that the Mitsubishi 2.5 l engine is the same but without a turbo) . It is rated at 85 hp. The van itself weighs 2 tons, and can take up to 12 people. It usually spits out more smoke when loaded. Anyway, the smoke isn't too serious, I was just thinking of lessening the waste, opitmising and maby gaining a little performance. Thanks, Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input DO NOT TRY IT!!!
Thanks a lot for the information. I knew it was a good idea to ask here first. You guys probably saved my 98 Hyundai Starex. I am aware of what high preassure oxygen can do, divers take extreme precautions when using pure oxygen, even the o rings of diving bottles have to be changed, and absoloutely no oil can remain anywhere. I was thinking that adding O2 to the air input just in front of the air fileter wouldn't cause too much of a partial pressure increase of oxygen in the air (from % 21 to % 30 maby). But rethinking the air gets sucked and compressed inside the cylinder making it much more preassurised. And the ignited. That would probably burn/melt the engine and everything close by very very efficiently. I have seen a preassure chamber that burned, it had high preassure pure oxygen in it. One patient was wearing the wrong kind of shoes and caused a spark from static electricity. The whole chamber had exploded/burned very fast leaving almost nothing left form the patients. SO DO NOT TRY THIS unless you really know what you are doing. Thanks again, Teoman -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Greg Harbican Sent: 10 September 2004 02:19 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input All diesels do that, because, the engine is working harder, so more fuel is added to compensate. Black smoke is also an indication of fuel burning in the exhaust manifold, which is also bad. Lots of black smoke means your working the engine hard harder than you should. Find out what kind of diesel you are using #1 or #2, that can make a difference. The #2 has longer carbon chains lower cetane, shorter carbon chains and higher cetane of #1 is better on hills, most fuel stations sell #2 in the summer, because it has a higher BTU content than #1 ( and so they can claim better mileage ), but sell #1 in the winter because it makes the engine easier to start when the temperatures drop. If you want to burn up your engine, use the O2, if you don't, back off on the pedal, gear down, and don't worry about keeping up with the rest of traffic, and that will cut the black smoke as well. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 Subject: [Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Putting O2 to the air input
Yet another of my random and crazy questions, It bothers me that my diesel puts out black smoke when it starts or is going up a steep hill. I recently discovered an oxygen tank in our basement probably for my greatgrandfather. The black smoke means that there is an incomplete reaction probably caused by insufficient oxygen. So what if I were to feed some oxygen to the air filter of the engine? I know it will overheat because of more combustion, but theoretically it shouldn't overheat too much since I wont be using it all the time and I wont be playing with the amount of fuel injected. Kinda like a NOS system without the cooling and preassurising effect. Thanks for your time if you bother to answer Teoman ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Use for wash water
Thanks for the answers, I knew I was a good question to ask. Luckily I didn't end up peeling the paint off my car. Teoman -Original Message- From: bioveging [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2004 12:37 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: Use for wash water My thinks the lye in the water as well as the methanol would not fair well on the paint :) Although if you have any defoliating of such things as Poison Ivy it works greeat for that. L. --- In biofuel@yahoogroups.com, Teoman Naskali [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I live in a large building with a car park, the cars there are washed almost every day, and the person washing then usually has a bucket full of water detergent. Could I use the wash water for washing cars? Or would there be any nasty residue or other chemical that could stein or harm the car? I'd first have to let it sit for a week or two to make sure that the methanol evaporates from it. Teoman -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2004 04:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Circulation with pump washing. Hi bioveging, Todd spoke words of wisdom to me and helped me save about four days, so I went back and found the post. I had spent time and $$$ on the bubble wash method, but thought it to take too long for my liking. Since then, I drain my separation (after reaction ) to a secondary 55 gal white poly drum and where it settles for 18-24hrs. My secondary drum has two side bulkhead valves installed about 6-10 apart from another , with 1/2 ballvalves. I'll simply drain the Glycerin-level just below the top ballvalve, using the lower valve. Then drain the BD the top layer into another secondary wash drum that has the same bulkhead setup. Yeah, I could have used the standpipe design, but decided on see-through poly. After following Todd's rules, I'll add 5-10 gal of water gently (I put the garden hose just below the BD, so not to create emulsion) and mix with the same mixer I used in my reactor tank for 3-5 min., wait 30min - 1 hour for settling and repeat twice, before draining the murky water and starting the process over until satisfied. So my original post had to do with saving time! However, I was introduced to a better way to wash BD without any pumps or bubble stones etc. Hope it helps..No emulsion! * *** *** Kevin, Yes. You can speed up the process considerably. It involves the following: . 1) Throw out your mist washer. 2) Box up your bubble washer. 3) Make absolutely sure that you never try to wash an incomplete reaction by testing washing a 1 ounce sample in a sealed jar. 4) Use a motor driven impeller to mix the water/fuel mixture to the point of appearing homogenous for ~5 minutes. 5) Let settle 1 hour. 6) Syphon off the top layer of fuel and repeat steps 5, 6 7 two more cycles. 7) Let the fuel air dry or heat to 120*F to dry. 8) Combine all your wash waters and the 1-2 of fuel that was left on top after each syphoning in a collection tank. 9) Let settle 24 hours. 10) Remove lower water layer to a wastewater treatment tank to recover the soaps. 11) Return the accumulated fuel from the wash water residue to your first wash of your next batch. Depending upon the volume of oil in your batch, the hp/size of your reactor tank and wash tank motors/impellers, you could get your entire batch process time down to 24 hours. Most people avoid mechanical mixing of the fuel at the wash stages, thinking that it will create emulsion problems. And they're right if they try to wash fuel from incomplete reactions. That's the primary reason why they were invented and have achieved such wide acceptance - too many people aren't meticulous about making sure that their reactions are complete. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: [biofuel] Questions Speed-up washing biodiesel Hello, Is there a way to speed-up the water-biodiesel wash during the settling of washing the fuel? I've read the bubble washing techniques understand it, but for the best quality of biodiesel, it can take up-to-a- week, with several washes. One person mentioned a centrifuge, which I never used know nothing about that equipment. I imagine it to be a very expensive machine, takes up a large amount of space, and may not be available to the average homebrewer. Could vibration assist in aiding water to help filter water to shake past the biodiesel to the bottom water level in a shorter amount of time? Has anyone tried to experiment using vibration? Also, -In order to understand the process better, does
[biofuel] Use for wash water
I live in a large building with a car park, the cars there are washed almost every day, and the person washing then usually has a bucket full of water detergent. Could I use the wash water for washing cars? Or would there be any nasty residue or other chemical that could stein or harm the car? I'd first have to let it sit for a week or two to make sure that the methanol evaporates from it. Teoman -Original Message- From: Kevin Shea [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 06 September 2004 04:58 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Circulation with pump washing. Hi bioveging, Todd spoke words of wisdom to me and helped me save about four days, so I went back and found the post. I had spent time and $$$ on the bubble wash method, but thought it to take too long for my liking. Since then, I drain my separation (after reaction ) to a secondary 55 gal white poly drum and where it settles for 18-24hrs. My secondary drum has two side bulkhead valves installed about 6-10 apart from another , with 1/2 ballvalves. I'll simply drain the Glycerin-level just below the top ballvalve, using the lower valve. Then drain the BD the top layer into another secondary wash drum that has the same bulkhead setup. Yeah, I could have used the standpipe design, but decided on see-through poly. After following Todd's rules, I'll add 5-10 gal of water gently (I put the garden hose just below the BD, so not to create emulsion) and mix with the same mixer I used in my reactor tank for 3-5 min., wait 30min - 1 hour for settling and repeat twice, before draining the murky water and starting the process over until satisfied. So my original post had to do with saving time! However, I was introduced to a better way to wash BD without any pumps or bubble stones etc. Hope it helps..No emulsion! *** Kevin, Yes. You can speed up the process considerably. It involves the following: . 1) Throw out your mist washer. 2) Box up your bubble washer. 3) Make absolutely sure that you never try to wash an incomplete reaction by testing washing a 1 ounce sample in a sealed jar. 4) Use a motor driven impeller to mix the water/fuel mixture to the point of appearing homogenous for ~5 minutes. 5) Let settle 1 hour. 6) Syphon off the top layer of fuel and repeat steps 5, 6 7 two more cycles. 7) Let the fuel air dry or heat to 120*F to dry. 8) Combine all your wash waters and the 1-2 of fuel that was left on top after each syphoning in a collection tank. 9) Let settle 24 hours. 10) Remove lower water layer to a wastewater treatment tank to recover the soaps. 11) Return the accumulated fuel from the wash water residue to your first wash of your next batch. Depending upon the volume of oil in your batch, the hp/size of your reactor tank and wash tank motors/impellers, you could get your entire batch process time down to 24 hours. Most people avoid mechanical mixing of the fuel at the wash stages, thinking that it will create emulsion problems. And they're right if they try to wash fuel from incomplete reactions. That's the primary reason why they were invented and have achieved such wide acceptance - too many people aren't meticulous about making sure that their reactions are complete. Todd Swearingen - Original Message - From: Kevin Shea [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 10:43 PM Subject: [biofuel] Questions Speed-up washing biodiesel Hello, Is there a way to speed-up the water-biodiesel wash during the settling of washing the fuel? I've read the bubble washing techniques understand it, but for the best quality of biodiesel, it can take up-to-a-week, with several washes. One person mentioned a centrifuge, which I never used know nothing about that equipment. I imagine it to be a very expensive machine, takes up a large amount of space, and may not be available to the average homebrewer. Could vibration assist in aiding water to help filter water to shake past the biodiesel to the bottom water level in a shorter amount of time? Has anyone tried to experiment using vibration? Also, -In order to understand the process better, does anyone have a mpeg simulation illustrating the (Molecular model) cleansing of biodiesel in the wash stage process or something similar? I am curious to see the what exactly is happening in the batch? While I'm at it, how about a simulation of the transesterification process in a mpeg? Anyone? Thank you, Kevin Shea - Original Message - From: bioveging [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 4:35 PM Subject: [biofuel] Circulation with pump washing. OK, I tried the drill pump via the standpipe and returned it via the water drain and that didn't give satisfactory results. I then tried to hook up a Pony Pump and do the same thing with essentially the same
RE: [biofuel] Re: Pump Washing of biodiesel
Did you by any chance get a vaccum in the washer? In one of my batches where I probably had an incomplete reaction I got a vaccum while I tried to wash it. Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Chemical Drying
The reason im after chemical drying is because my friend said that it would be a cheap way of drying methanol, the methanol I am buying at the moment is 1$ per liter, and nobody knows the purity. Methanol that is 99+pure is about 6$ per liter making it too expensive. What was the price of zeolite? Unfortunately I live outside the US. And as far as I know I can still buy CaO from the masonry store. Thank you all for the time and advice. Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chemichal Drying
A good chemist friend told me that calcium oxide (Cao) could be used to dry WVO and methanol. I searched the archives for this but couldn't find a satisfactory answer. Can anyone help? I was thinking on filling a water filter with the stuff and adding it in line with the pump. Thanks, Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- $9.95 domain names from Yahoo!. Register anything. http://us.click.yahoo.com/J8kdrA/y20IAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps
That is a good idea but when using wvo, you might find that it solidifies in the pump. A better idea would be to make the level of the pump adjustable. Lift it to a higher level once it starts going (don't get electrocuted) You could always do it after but then one would probably end up forgetting. :) Teoman -Original Message- From: bioveging [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 22 August 2004 15:24 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Love Those one inch Clear Water Pumps Hi all; Something happened, somewhat by accident (comes with being forgetful) that resolves the problem of the non-self priming Clear Water Pump that many of us are using. As has been mentioned numerous, times they kinda suck, or actually don't very well :), but that problem is now solved. How? God's own gravity. Instead of having the pump suck from a pail or bucket or whatever below it's position one needs to only gravity feed the WVO into the pump and no priming is necesssary. I do not know if this will work with cold WVO, but it does for sure work with pre-heated WVO, which I discoverd completely by accident having forgotten to prime it when I was ready to load the reactor after having heated my WVO to a little over 55C. As I opened the valve on my pre-heat tank (38 liter capapcity)and the intake valve to the pump I noticed that the sight tube registered oil in the lines, so I simply flipped on the switch to the pump and voila! pumped away like it is supposed to, so move those pails/tanks/drums ect... above the level of the pump and never have to prime again. Have a nice day. L. PS: I now have 40 liters in the wash tank and another 40 in the reactor settling for me this PM once I quality test the later. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Chemistry of washing
When I wash my test batch, it creates a vaccum in the container it is washed in. Obviously some kind of chemical reaction takes place. What could it be? And what does it absorb from the air??? I don't think it is the Co2 or the O2, could it be the N2?? Please enlighten me, or have I bungled it up yet again. Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Stupid measuring question
I need to measure a barrel that I have so I can mark the 110 L and 220L levels. What do you advise? The precision lab equipment that is graded up to 800ml. I suppose 100 cups wont do the trick, Probably filling a 5L water bottle precisely then using that 20 times might be a good idea?? Thanks Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] What can I use in my BD processor to make a cone inside the barrel
I have found some plastic barrels, unfortunately I cant cut or melt them to make them bottom drainable. What can I use to form a kind of cone inside the barrel? I think epoxy would work but that might be a little expensive. Would gips work? Or hardening clay??? Thanks Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Colour of latest batch
I am also in the process of washing my first batch. It has had one wash so far. When it came in contact with water it turned completely milky white. And did not separate for about 15 minutes. And I think some chemical reaction took place as the quantity of gas in the container (2.5l cocacola bottle) diminished. Is there anythin wrong here? I am a bit confused about the shake test, do you apply it to unwashed or washed biodiesel. Thank you, Teoman Naskali [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] WVO storage and titration
I have just found 2 sources for my wvo, university cantines, they produce quite a lot of wvo. When I collect the wvo can I put it all in one tank (after it has been filtered ofcourse)and then titrate it? (since I get like 10 kg at a time). The first sample that I have received (3 liters) has some solid fat (whiteish) at the bottom which I think is animal fat. How do I get that part in to the titration process? Do I have to heat it and then mix it? Or is it enough that it is in the same cup? Or does it not effect the titration at all? Or shoud that be used only in a 2 stage method? Thanks in advance Teoman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] 2 stage method questions
I have just bought some phosphoric acid which is rated at 87%, and the foolproof method says that it should be 10%, what should I do? Use less or dilute it (with what) 8. Mix gently at LOW rpm (don't splash!) while keeping the temperature at 35 deg C. The rotation of your stirrer should not exceed 500 to 600 rpm -- speed is not crucial and splashed oil is a mess to clean. I didn't quite get this, why shouldn't it exceed 500-600 rpm?? What difference does it make? If I have a closed processor isnt stnadard mixing (via washingmachine pump or pool pump) good enough?? Thanks Teoman PS: Where can I Find a vaccum pump? Would a vaccum cleaner do? Or a vaccum pump for the brakes of a car? Howmany bars should the pump be? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Freezing the water out
Just another ramdom thought, Couldn't you freeze the water out of the oil? Or rather freeze the oil out of the water?? In places like finland all you have to do is leave it out overnight and then pour out the oil, or water, whichever one is frozen. Or maby an ammonium system like previously discussed could be used? Hope my ideas arent too stupid and bothering anyone. Im just hoping that I can inspire someone. :) Teoman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Searching the archives
Is ther a more effective way of searching the archives? It seems like when I search it searches only the mails displayed on the page, so for older messages I have to keep pressing the next page button. Just my ignorance :-( Thanks Teoman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] 2 stage method questions
Sorry, just trying to avoid purchansing titration equipment. And get a good unerstanding of the processes before I start anything. I just got access to a highschool lab, if I bring my own chemicals and wash after I have used the equipment. I also had bought some isopropanol (%99 pure) with the phosphoric acid. Can and should I titrate larger quatities of wvo, should I mix them?? Say I collect 10L each from three different sources, can I mix them and then titrate? Or do I have to titrate them separately? What about the denser white fat at the bottom? Can I collect say one ton of wvo and then titrate it? Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Aquarium pump in dehumidifier
Just wondering will it help the dehumidifying or methanol recovery processes at all if the input of the aquarium pump was set up in a manner as to suck air through a cooled copper coil from the top of the processor and then pump it to the bottom of the processor? Theoretically methanol can get in to the bubbles of gas more easily than swimming to the top. Plus the gas on top of the processor will be less saturated agail helping more molecules to escape from the BD or WVO Teoman Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Engine life and cold starting
I just changed the oil to my Hyundai Starex 2.5L van and on the oil it said that 75 % engine wear happens while the engine is warming. Would it do any good if the water in the engine was heated with a kettle resistance or some other device? Or is the wear caused more by the the fact that the engine is not well oiled when you start it up? If so then maby one could use the starter motor with low apms to turn it slowly a few times for it to oil itself, and then start. Heating the engine could help SVO users aswell. Maby a kettle resistance in a Piece of PVC pump and a washingmachine pump put in series with the output of the radiator can do this??? But ofcourse you would need a plug in your carpark or whereever. Maby a small diesel stove? Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Biodiesel and sunlight question
I cant remember now but i think read that uv light helps the biodiesel production process, so would it do any good if the methanol wvo mix was passed between 2 piesecss of glass (2 old windows with a twisting path to lengthen the journey). Just a thought. Oh and another thought while i am at it, has anyone used wind and solar power in theri processors? A windpowered pump could be very usefull and you could mix for a week for a very complete reaction. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Red Wine Biodiesel
I added the methoxide to a Liter of oil heated to 55 C, mixed and maintained the temp for 30 minutes; let sit for 15 hrs. Result: Thin 2-3mm. layer of yellow on top of a murky red-brown liquid containing yellow and white gobs. Could the white globs mean that you had an excess of water? And you got soap in the water? Did you dry your oil before? And how pure is your methanol? __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Thin red layer on top
In my first batch there is a very thin reddish layer on top, if there is about 12 cm in the jar 2mm of it is the layer on top and 1 - 2 cm of it is the glycerine at the bottom. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] PVC as processor material
Can PVC plastic be used for processor material? Wouldnt PVC pipes make the perfect processors? I think that they had about 40 cm diameter pipes, one meter of this would hold about 120 litres. And for washing one could use many very thin and tall pipes. The thing that interests me more is that they have adapters from big to small, so if you put a few of those at the bottom you can acheive a conical form which is good for draining out the glycerine. Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Perfect Processor you can buy from the market
Why not use a washing machine as a processor? It has everything you need. Resistance, mixer... you could even select a program that does the whole process for you. It even empties out the biodiesel to your settling tank. And im shure once you are in to it you can use the washingliquid inputs for methroxide. You might even reprogram it if it is digital, or you can hook the timer to a computer. Does this seem like a good idea? Does anybody have anything agaist it? If not ill try to build one. Ill make a detailed howto on connecting a computer or other circuit to the washing machine and the conversion. Just a thaught. Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Test wash turned completely white
I just did a test wash on 25 ml of my first batch and 25 ml of water in a jar. I mixed the 2 together by violently shaking the jar for about 30 seconds. The whole thing turned in to a white foam. And it took about 5 - 10 mins for the white stuff to separate from my biodiesel. Is there anything wrong here? Even now after half an hour my biodiesel is a very light yellowish color, but it looks like diluted urine whith a few drops of milk in it, i hope it is not the chemical or use wise equivalent. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] My FIrst Batch
I have a thin red layer on top? What is that?? I went to mcdolanlds an burgerking, tey sell their used oil to a soap company. A) Should i give a higher price to mcdonalds and buy some of their oil or B) Should i go to the soap company and try to figure something out with them. Maby they can lend me the oil, and i can process it and return that to them??? Or can something like that be arreanged or can they transfer most of the oil to soap. Where else would be a good place to look for oil? Thanks Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Getiing rid of the water in oil and alcohol (just a thought)
Its just a silly thought but, would it be possible to use electrolyse to get rid of the water in the oil? And more unlikely, could I use electrolyse to get rid of the water in my methanol?? Or would i be electrolysing the oil and alcohol? If so what comes out of the electrolyse? Electrolyse could be a cheaper form of dehydrating oil and water if u get the power from solar or wind energy. + About the icy ball, can one be asily constructed? At home i have a 1m parabolic mirror that i use to heat tea. Coule i build such a system for solar airconditionning? THat would be just great! Thanks for your time everybody And sorry if none of my ideas make any sense. But hey you never know, maby it might inspire somebody else. Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My Methanol
I just received the methanol that i had ordered. the ayre in 10 liter containers and the label says Metanol CH3OH 1l = 0,80kg MW = 32,04 what does the las thing indicate? And do I have any way of figuring out if this stuff is good. Of course i will do a test batch in a couple of hours. Some time back i remember vaguely reading somewhere that acetone was added to the gas tank to get rid of water in the gas tank. Would that be any use to us? Teoman __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] My FIrst Batch
My first batch looks like it is fairly successfull, I found an old scale purely mechanical. With which i managed to measure the NaOH. I mixed it with the methanol in a jar, it took about 25 mins to mix, and in the end result one could almost see very very tiny particles floating. I heated the oil (corn oil) in a jar which i placed in a pan filled with water. I kept the heat constant between 55 and 60 degrees. Then i slowly added the methanol with lye. I kept it at constant temperature for about three hours and i gave it a good shake every half an hour. Can you ruin it by overstirring? Or can i recover it if the reaction has not compleeted because of insufficient stirring? It has been settling for about two hours now. There is some brownish reddis stuff at the bottom, some yellow liquid which i hope is biodiesel and a very thin again reddish brownish layer on top. Tthe biodiesel is not too clear. Does this sound ok? Or have i goofed? HOw can i check if my methanol is good? And if i wash it is this stuff good enough to pour in to my car? I must say i am excited, what is the next step? thanks, Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Glass tanks and my progres
Is it posiible to use aquariums or glass tanks for the process, acid eats the metal and alcohol can do damage to the plastics but none of them can harm glass bu ofcourse then the problem would be silicone used to stick seal the glass. I didnt like the idea of processor where you cant see everything. The rest is not really interesting BTW, i bought some methanol today about 30 liters 2$ per liter, and a kg of NaOH. Soon ill start my test batches. Im planning on first doing a virgin oil test then going straight to a 1 liter test batch of the foolproof method. Ill buy some acids tomorrow aswell. Im hoping to have atleast a liter or two in my car by the end of next week. I am about to purchase a VW passat stationwagon, 23 years old. Would that be smart? Or anything wrong with it? Thanks a lot in advance Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Yahoo! Domains - Claim yours for only $14.70 http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z1wmxD/DREIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] The amount of lye
I am just wondering, if we had a lot of time would it not be possible to determine te amount of lye in a mix and try method? If you have a good methanol recovery system you colud just preapare say 5g/l methanol mix and then add wait, then check add a little more then check...?? Just my 2cent idea. Thanks Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - 100MB free storage! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Methanol purification
Hi, im a beginner in biodiesel and have some questions. I am at the stage where im checking feasability and availability of materials. The methanol i have found is very expensive about 4.68 euros + tax per liter (99.5) which makes biodiesel more expensive than normal diesel. There is a cheaper from purity form 90 to 95 which is much cheaper about 1.60 usd per liter. How can i purify that? And what does not pure mean exactly? That it has water in it? I am supposing that since it has water in it it ruins the lye. Or does it have some other substances in it? Is this methanol any good to me? Or should i look elsewhere Thanks Teoman __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
