Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
Dave, I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post. 1. Where did you get any of this information from? 2. What are you talking about, The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. Where did you get this info? Have you tried this and saw it happen? I have mixed hundreds of gallons of ethanol (150 - 190 proof) with various ratios to gasoline. I have let several set in a test tube jar so that marked levels can be watched. The only thing that I can say that we saw was the gasoline evaporating. Methanol - there is a reason that this is not used for the general public. Its not friendly on your hands, your fuel system, but mostly, the air/fuel is way off. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Company --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:16 PM On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A solution to water in the tank is to add dry gas (methanol). My questions are: -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L Flex Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated. -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol, gasoline, and methanol? I'd skip the recommended method and go with a drop of gas to your 100 gal of ethanol. So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should be ok. (should). I have no ideas about the methanol mix. -hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110330/a80468dd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol
The emails were clipped. So I am not sure if this came from Dave or Tom. Sorry to maybe have it crossed. --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 6:22 PM Dave, I had to come back to this email to ask you a few questions about your post. 1. Where did you get any of this information from? 2. What are you talking about, The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. Where did you get this info? Have you tried this and saw it happen? I have mixed hundreds of gallons of ethanol (150 - 190 proof) with various ratios to gasoline. I have let several set in a test tube jar so that marked levels can be watched. The only thing that I can say that we saw was the gasoline evaporating. Methanol - there is a reason that this is not used for the general public. Its not friendly on your hands, your fuel system, but mostly, the air/fuel is way off. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Company --- On Wed, 3/30/11, Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Dave Hajoglou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fuel grade ethanol To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Wednesday, March 30, 2011, 1:16 PM On Wed, Mar 30, 2011 at 9:43 AM, Tom Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In order to get a permit to distill fuel grade ethanol in the United States it must be denatured. The recommended method is to add 2 gallons of unleaded gasoline to 98 gallons of ethanol. The problem for the home brewer is that water in the ethanol tends to fall out when gasoline is added. A solution to water in the tank is to add dry gas (methanol). My questions are: -Would it be unwise to denature fuel grade ethanol with methanol and then used in a Flex Fuel vehicle such as a '99 Ford Ranger? (3.0L Flex Fuel version). The water issue would be eliminated. -Any problems running a Flex Fuel vehicle on blends of ethanol, gasoline, and methanol? I'd skip the recommended method and go with a drop of gas to your 100 gal of ethanol. So long as you don't drink it, serve it to your friends, or boast that you can produce some fine moonshine you should be ok. (should). I have no ideas about the methanol mix. -hojo ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110330/a80468dd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110330/352c4f29/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Depleted Uranium Shells Used by U.S. Military - again
Please tell me what brand of briquettes you are referring to? I live very close to a major manufacture and am very sure that I know what they are made of. Also, for all the rest about DU, it does not appear that anyone here has actually handled any DU in their life, only read about it. That is a reference. If you are looking for live reference to handling DU I will be more then happy to answer questions. The US Navy uses shells that are DU and I have years of experience of handling them and the very tight procedures that are involved. on good assumption - more people die from lung cancer than those that handle DU Terry -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080524/e94a4b01/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy
Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the rest of us support Dick CHENEY. Terry WilhelmMike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A friend of mine sent me this today. Thought many of you would appreciate some of them. And, perhaps there is hope in 2006!! I am seeing a strong movement here in the USA to replace the republicans THIS year! There seem to be dozens of issues getting current media attention that are creating a huge backlash against the republicans right now, or at least against Bush that have even the republicans turning on him as the election approaches. The republicans that are facing re-election to the Senate and House are distancing themselves as much as possible from Bush and Chainey!! I am seeing it in the news on a daily basis If the election were held today many experts, including democrats, republicans and pollsters, all say they believe the democrats would take over the House and possibly the Senate. If this trend continues, then this November's election could cripple the Bush reign of anti-terror terror. Mike McGinnessGreat Bumper Stickers for 2006 DEAR WORLD, WE TRIED OUR BEST -- HALF OF AMERICA BLIND FAITH IN BAD LEADERSHIP IS NOT PATRIOTISM IF YOU'RE NOT OUTRAGED, YOU'RE NOT PAYING ATTENTION IF YOU SUPPORTED BUSH, A YELLOW RIBBON WON'T MAKE UP FOR IT SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; IMPEACH BUSH AT LEAST IN VIETNAM, BUSH HAD AN EXIT STRATEGY SEND THE TWINS POVERTY, HEALTHCARE HOMELESSNESS ARE MORAL ISSUES SUPPORT OUR TROOPS; BRING THEM HOME NOW! BUSH LIED, AND YOU KNOW IT! RELIGIOUS FUNDAMENTALISM: A THREAT ABROAD, A THREAT AT HOME GOD BLESS EVERYONE (No exceptions) BUSH SPENT YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY ON HIS WAR "TIS THE TIMES PLAGUE WHEN MADMEN LEAD THE BLIND" -- William Shakespeare (King Lear) "THEY THAT CAN GIVE UP ESSENTIAL LIBERTY TO OBTAIN A LITTLE TEMPORARY SAFETY DESERVE NEITHER LIBERTY NOR SAFETY" -- Benjamin Franklin PRO AMERICA, ANTI BUSH WHO WOULD JESUS BOMB? IF YOU SUPPORT BUSH'S WAR, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? SHUT UP AND SHIP OUT FEEL SAFER NOW? I'D RATHER HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO SCREWED HIS INTERN THAN ONE WHO SCREWED HIS COUNTRY JESUS WAS A SOCIAL ACTIVIST LIBERAL MY VALUES? FREE SPEECH. EQUALITY. LIBERTY. EDUCATION. TOLERANCE IS IT 2008 YET? DISSENT IS THE HIGHEST FORM OF PATRIOTISM -- Thomas Jefferson DON'T BLAME ME. I VOTED AGAINST BUSH -- TWICE! NOBODY DIED WHEN CLINTON LIED OF COURSE IT HURTS. YOU'RE GETTING SCREWED BY AN ELEPHANT ANNOY A CONSERVATIVE; THINK FOR YOURSELF VISUALIZE IMPEACHMENT HEY BUSH! WHERE'S BIN LADEN? GEORGE W. BUSH: MAKING TERRORISTS FASTER THAN HE CAN KILL THEM WHERE ARE WE GOING? AND WHY ARE WE IN THIS HANDBASKET? KEEP YOUR THEOCRACY OFF MY DEMOCRACY CORPORATE MEDIA: WEAPONS OF MASS DECEPTION DON'T CONFUSE DYING FOR OIL WITH FIGHTING FOR FREEDOM STEM CELL RESEARCH IS PRO LIFE HATE, GREED, IGNORANCE: WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION HONOR OUR TROOPS; DEMAND THE TRUTH REBUILD IRAQ? WHY NOT SPEND 87 BILLION ON AMERICA? FACT: BUSH OIL 1999 - $19 BARREL 2006 - $70 BARREL THE LAST TIME RELIGION CONTROLLED POLITICS, PEOPLE GOT BURNED AT THE STAKE I'LL GIVE UP MY CHOICE WHEN JOHN ROBERTS GETS PREGNANT HOW ON EARTH CAN 59,411,287 PEOPLE BE SO DUMB?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New American Bumper stickers - Oh boy - 2
well Doug, at least you can spell if nothing elsedoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Terry Wilhelm wrote: Not sure who you and your friend have for a Vice President, but the rest of us support Dick *_CHENEY._* Terry WilhelmI pray the gods that I'm excluded from the crowd of "us" that supports Dick Cheney!doug swanson-- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less.* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software.No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein.All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] peas to ethanol
And when was the last "another real problem"?Doug Foskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: New company: Bees peas?? (TIC)regards DOn Sunday 02 April 2006 3:46, AltEnergyNetwork wrote: Hi all, This all sounds interesting but if they keep using food plants to convert to ethanol we could have another real problem with food being diverted for fuel production. Farmers are already burning valuable rainforests to grow fuel crops, regards tallex Peas to ethanol Washington - So you don't like eating peas? Then how about fueling your car or truck with them? That's a possibility Agricultural Research Service (ARS) scientists are exploring--using a type of fuel called ethanol, made from the legume's starch. Ethanol is among the cleaner-burning alternatives to petroleum, and is credited with reducing tailpipe emissions of carbon monoxide and other pollutants when added to gasoline. full article http://www.alternate-energy.net/N/news.php?detail=n1143952054.news Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Next Generation Grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid/ Tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy/ Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Ethanol fuel savings - Facts and more facts - ethanol increases mileage
Hello all, I guess that after reading the postings here for several years that maybe I am able to offer some facts to offset some of the myths that we all seem to hear and read about. Ill address Mikes Email first: (I'm glad somebody posted this because the debate about ethanol is prompting a flurry of misleading information that is causing a great deal of confusion (maybe intentionally so) and frustration for me. In addition to the cost argument mentioned in this thread, I've heard the following arguments pieced together by those who oppose ethanol production. 1.)It takes seven gallons of ethanol for every one gallon of gasoline to get you from point A to point B (even if true it completely misses the point that oil WILL run out and that ethanol is a viable alternative and I need to explain how).) SIMPLY NOT TRUE. While this may apply to methanol, and even then you need more than seven, this is just not the case with ethanol. I have facts of ethanol increasing fuel mileage in my car. More on this later. (2.) Ethanol production produces carbon dioxide (ignoring the waste products of cracking crude oil and the CO2 absorbed by the crops which will later become ethanol).) Carbon dioxide is what will be coming out of your tailpipe using ethanol. (I wish I could find something out there from a well known source that addresses these arguments (some of it looking like folklore) in a way that didn't make the reader pick through long, inch-thick reports. I need some ammunition to fight this sea of non-believers around me. I might be asking for too much -- a few pages listing products of combustion, mileage stats, cost, environmental impacts of production, ideal crops for ethanol, amount of CO2 absorbed by crops and potential for sustaining those crops when oil runs out.) I have a 67 el Camino, 427 auto trans. Holley 750. I have been running straight 160 180 proof alcohol in the car for sometime. It even starts nice. I also have a 94 Lincoln Mark VIII 4.6L DOHC fuel injected. When I lived in San Diego, I could drive to Las Vegas, 105 degree weather, AC full on and get around 28 mpg. I added a Superchip and got up to 30 mpg. I have been producing and using my own ethanol from many different sources of products. A lot for free. Which using one of our company stills on electric heat means that we are producing ethanol at about 7 19 cents a gallon. If you are buying corn and sugar at retail prices, you are around 64 67 cents a gallon. Top that with a 58 cents a gallon tax credit and you can do the math. Back to the Lincoln Mark VIII. On 35 % ethanol, I have been running 34 mpg and have done nothing to the car other than keep a close eye on the fuel filter for the first few blended tanks. I have replaced two filers. (It's true that if you ran a gasoline engine on alcohol without first converting the engine, the air/fuel mixture would be extremely lean and the engine would run very hot, if it ran at all. The same thing would happen, even quicker, to a gasoline engine run severely lean. At its proper air/fuel mixture, alcohol exhaust temperature should be 300-500 degrees F. cooler than gasoline exhaust at its proper air fuel mixture. . . .) There is a small amount of truth to the first sentence in regards to being lean, but not to run very hot. If you do not do anything to the carb engine, (and I have not), it might be lean since the air/fuel ratio for ethanol is 5 points lower than gasoline. However, if you take the hose off the gas tank and stick it into a jug with 160 180, the first thing that you will notice is how much cooler the air flow through the radiator is and how much quieter the engine is now running. Remember the amount of water that is in 160 180 proof alcohol. It just doesnt work that way. The water content is cooling the cylinders. We all remember the water injection of the years past. So if you just want to play a little, just run your lawn movers with the choke on full. Works great. I teach a college class on ethanol production. It seems like everyone just wants to fight over who gets the alcohol at the end of the class these days. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Company INC www.revenoor.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] College Class on Ethanol Production
Here's a link that might interest a few. https://ccc-ias.chemeketa.edu/pls/cprd/bwckschd.p_disp_detail_sched?term_in=200430crn_in=55326 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide - Whoops!
Wow guys If you can believe this, I did not write that. It was just an email running around the Internet. Considering how this group likes to talk about the Administration, (usually one sided) I tought that you might find some humor in it. But it seems like some people are not very opened minded like others of us that have been able to read your emails for the last four years about how much the Adminstration has screwed things up. We shall see how ABC does in the end. Regards to all, Terry Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gustl, I agree entirely with your response. However, the good thing about hate is that it can be used to motivate those who do not hate to push for change. Terry does not realize how well e-mails such as his work to motivate those who are not of the religious right, and also probably does not realize that he is far from the mainstream or the majority. I plan to send this to all of my friends, and I am sure that they will send it to all of theirs. Together, we can defeat this kind of hatred and bigotry, and make the world a better place for us all. Brian - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Terry Wilhelm Sent: Friday, October 15, 2004 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide Hallo , Friday, 15 October, 2004, 09:43:10, you wrote: TW Election Voter Guide TW Depending on the way you lean, the following information TW could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. TW Issues of Importance? Not as stated. One liners may work for comedians but are generally useless and skewed when it comes to political debate and discussion. What this is is dishonest, misleading and inaccurate when it comes to either side of the fence and it also tends to take ones focus off what is really important and divert it to these piddling little issues of partisan distraction. An entirely unworthy effort. Happy Happy, Gustl TW Gay Marriage TW TW President Bush is opposed TW John Kerry favors TW TW TW Partial-Birth Abortion TW TW President Bush is opposed TW John Kerry favors TW TW TW Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools TW TW President Bush Favors TW John Kerry is Opposed TW TW TW Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout TW Leaders TW TW President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand TW John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand TW TW TW Asking for God's blessing on America TW TW President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches TW John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often TW TW TW Federal Judges TW TW President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our TW rights TW are derived from God. TW John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, TW anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking TW President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. TW TW TW Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ TW TW President Bush supports Gibson TW John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting TW possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the TW film. TW TW TW Overall Record TW TW President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on TW his TW publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating TW from TW the American Conservative Union if he did. TW TW John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral TW National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 TW -- TW more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton. TW TW TW With help from you and many others, the aim is to distribute TW 25,000,000 TW of these TW Election Voter Guides in e-mailboxes to voters across America. TW TW TW If you want to help, please pass this on. TW TW TW If you disagree, then do nothing to help - but DO vote your beliefs. TW ___ TW Biofuel mailing list TW [EMAIL PROTECTED] TW http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel TW Biofuel at Journey to Forever: TW http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html TW Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): TW http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. Mitglied-Team AMIGA ICQ: 22211253-Gustli The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love
[Biofuel] 2004 election voter guide
Election Voter Guide Depending on the way you lean, the following information could have bearing on decisions you make in November 2004. Issues of Importance? Gay Marriage President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Partial-Birth Abortion President Bush is opposed John Kerry favors Restoring voluntary prayer in the public schools President Bush Favors John Kerry is Opposed Boy Scouts' Stand on belief in God and not allowing Homosexual Scout Leaders President Bush supports Boy Scouts' stand John Kerry opposes Boy Scouts' stand Asking for God's blessing on America President Bush often asks God to bless America in his speeches John Kerry attacks Bush for mentioning God so often Federal Judges President Bush says We need common-sense judges who believe our rights are derived from God. John Kerry insists on judges who support the radical anti-Christian, anti-God, anti-family agenda. John Kerry is insistent on blocking President Bush's Federal judicial appointments. Assault on Mel Gibson for making film about Christ President Bush supports Gibson John Kerry participated in Left's assault on Gibson, suggesting possible anti-Semitism, even though Kerry said he had not seen the film. Overall Record President Bush does not vote on issues before Congress but, based on his publicly stated positions, would receive an 85% conservative rating from the American Conservative Union if he did. John Kerry, according to the highly respected, politically-neutral National Journal rates Kerry the most liberal U. S. Senator in 2003 -- more liberal than Ted Kennedy and/or Hillary Clinton.
Re: [Biofuel] Affordable Sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol
how many gallons of ethanol would you need for 100 gallons of veggie? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:You do realize that isopropyl is only used for titration, so you don't need bulk. What you need in bulk is methanol, to the tune of 10 gallons per 100 gallons of veggie oil, or thereabouts. = = = Original message = = = I'm Living in Virginia in the US and have recently begun homebrewing. I've run into some trouble finding affordable sources for bulk isopropyl alcohol of 99% purity. Can anyone share some sources with me. I'm also researching opening a BD fueling station, or delivery service. I'm conducting this research for my Undergrad Thesis and hope to begin to supply BD in the DC metro area if it is feasable. Let me know if you have any valuable resources for me. Thanks David ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Sent by ePrompter, the premier email notification software. Free download at http://www.ePrompter.com. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[biofuel] How Do You Figure Ethanol Octane?
Does anyone know of an equation for figuring the octane levels in different proofs of alcohol? Thanks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Make a clean sweep of pop-up ads. Yahoo! Companion Toolbar. Now with Pop-Up Blocker. Get it for free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/L5YrjA/eSIIAA/yQLSAA/FGYolB/TM ~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Ethanol distillation
My question is about registering with the Federal gov't for legal distillation for fuel alcohol. If the individual goes through all the proper paper procedures and obtains the distillation permit, what can one expect from the gov't after this? The only paperwork that is required for an Application and Permit For Alcohol Fuel Producer (form 5110.74). At present this form is not on ATFs/TTB website for download. Just a phone call to the national center and they will put some in the mail to you. I have never heard of anyone having been turned down nor have I ever heard of anyone having a government official show up to verify the permit. There is not much to expect from the government after the permit process. You do need to file a report at the end of the year stating how much alcohol you have produced. I would guess that they bounce this information against what number that you file for tax credits. Are you only allowed to produce x amount of ethanol per year for personal use? A small producers permit allows 50,000 proof gallons a year. Personal or otherwise. Will the individual be expected to pay highway taxes on their own alcohol produced? There are no highway taxes on ethanol. Just tax credits. Does the gov't perform routine inspections on a person's personal still? I have never heard of a single inspection on a small producers permit. Also, what would make a good denaturant? Some acceptable denaturants are: gasoline, kerosene, deodorized kerosene, rubber hydrocarbon solvent, methyl isobutyl and mixed isomers of nitropropane. Final question to members-how does straight ethanol perform in fuel injected gasoline engines? Great ! You can go to GM, Dodge and Ford and buy it off the showroom floor. Thanks. Jonathan. Hope that this helps. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Serving The World With Stills - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Send the freshest Valentine's flowers with a FREE vase from only $29.99! Shipped direct from the grower with a 7 day freshness guarantee and prices so low you save 30-55% off retail! http://us.click.yahoo.com/_iAw9B/xdlHAA/3jkFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Straight ethanol in gasoline engine
150 to 160 proof works best if using straight alcohol in a engine. If you plan to blend at any percent gasoline/ alcohol a higher proof works better. If you are considering a carb automobile engine, I can recommend a shop that does a great job modifing carbs for straight alcohol will little cold starting problems. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com j_schearer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Will 100% ethanol damage a gasoline engine, or does it have to be blended with gasoline? Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance: Get your refund fast by filing online [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Re: Ethanol from sugar cane:Thebest and worst technolgy
Hello Your email was great. I have spent alot of time traveling to India and talking with people in the Punjab area about the production of alcohol using our distillers. If you would be interested, I would be happy to send you our catalog for you to look at. If you are interested please provide us with a mailing address. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Hotjobs: Enter the Signing Bonus Sweepstakes [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/biofuel/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] ÎEnergy Primerâ
Does anyone have any information on this out of print book ÎEnergy Primerâ if possible? Where can one be gotten from? Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC - Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/index.php?list=biofuel Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Any distillers near Saint Louis?
Hello Jeff Do you know who built the still? Or do you have any pictures of it? We may be able to help. Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC 503.662.4173 seekersuncross [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am looking for an experienced distiller near Saint Louis. I have an important decision to make about a very large still a fellow wants to sell for $2,500. The column and boiler weighs about 2000lbs. This guy claims that when this still was originally set up 15 years ago by the people who manufactured it, it costed $40,000 for the unit and set up. He bought it for $2,500 because he knew the guy who owned the company. I need someone who can tell me if this thing is worth it because I am still learning about the distillation process and I still have a book on the way (the compleat distiller) and I don't want to pass this up if it can make the 5 gallons or more an hour he claims. I have a resource for free firewood and bread for the conversion to ethanol. Is it possible to get someone's help nearby to look at this thing and help me find out if this still is worth the money? Thanks and God Bless...Jeff Schneider.. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at MyInks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/mOAaAA/3exGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Heater Element
If it is a 1 screw in model, get a 1 female adapter, cut a hole in the drum and weld it to the side. If it is a bolt on model, cut a hole for the heater and the bolts, use the gasket or sealer and bolt it through the drum. Would suggest using a thermostat inline for your protection. You can buy them at the same place that you got the element. Regards, Terry Wilhelm www.revenoor.com dave01632002 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recently bought a replacement hot water tank heating element (120 V). Now I need some advice on how to install it so that it will work efficiently and not burn up. It is only about 9ong and I am using a 55 gallong drum. What do you suggest? Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Lawn mower on ethanol ?
Here is a little info from our experiences about small engines. Yes, dumping the ethanol into the engine will make it run. On a small engine you will need to supply more fuel than was used before on gasoline. Normally, this means just turning the mixture screw out. That is why running with a small amount of choke worked. On a larger engine, you need to start with larger jets about 1/3 bigger. Hope this helps Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Best Friends, Thanks Keith for your answers. A few more things about this : I have found, that permanent use of the choke also makes the engine run better ( of course this also makes the mixture air/alcohol richer ). The problem here is, that the knifes of the lawnmower don't get enough speed to cut the grass properly, but we don't have this problem with a car. A few questions : After I have adapted the main jet, can I still use the engine with petrol ? The fact that ethanol as well as methanol are corrosive, does that mean that these products are harmfull for the engine ? My lawnmower is a 4 stroke engine. The motor on my boat has a 2 stroke engine. Do you mean, that I can use Bio diesel in stead of 2 stroke lubricating oil for the latter one ? ( I use methanol for making BD ) Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Lawn mower on ethanol ? Hello friends, My lawn mower goes on petrol. Can I just put methanol or ethanol in the tank, or do I have to modify the engine ? How ? The ethanol I have is 99% pure. The methanol I have is 95% pure. Met vriendelijke groeten, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Hello Pieter Is it 2-stroke or 4-stroke? Anyway, both ethanol and methanol are quite corrosive, especially methanol - you should be okay with ethanol. You only need such pure ethanol if you're going to mix it with gasoline (or make ethyl esters!). If you're using it neat, 160-proof and up will be fine (80%). If it's a two-stroke, try using biodiesel with the ethanol instead of 2-stroke oil, we've had good reports. Either way you'll have to enlarge the main jet. How To Adapt Your Automobile Engine For Ethyl Alcohol Use -- Mother Earth Alcohol Fuel Manual. Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_motherearth/me2.html The Manual for the Home and Farm Production of Alcohol Fuel Chapter 3 UTILIZATION OF ALCOHOL FUELS Biofuels Library: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual3.html How To Modify Your Car To Run On Alcohol Fuel: Guidelines for converting gasoline engines (With Specific Instructions for Air-Cooled Volkswagens) by Roger Lippman, April 1982 -- Five-chapter online book: http://terrasol.home.igc.org/alky/alky.htm Sorry that this is all second-hand information - we'll be producing ethanol here quite soon and using it in two-stroke engines, but haven't quite got that far yet. regards Keith Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Ink Cartridges or Refill Kits for Your HP, Epson, Canon or Lexmark Printer at Myinks.com. Free s/h on orders $50 or more to the US Canada. http://www.c1tracking.com/l.asp?cid=5511 http://us.click.yahoo.com/l.m7sD/LIdGAA/qnsNAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Oh boy :Was; Re: [biofuel] Neither Right nor Left but Dead on Center
I have avoided comments on the political views that come through here but I feel that I speak not only for myself but others that are on biofuel wanting to stick to biofuel. Why don't you guys start a biopolitical group and keep each other informed of what the media has to say. Most people take media with a grain of salt anyway, at least the conservative side does. Based on what I read, not sure what Dead on Center means other then the dead part. And why are we interested in something from 1999. The following is from OSI's webpage: May 30, 2003 OSI Publishes Report on Post-War Reconstruction in Iraq On May 22, 2003, the United Nations Security Council unanimously approved Resolution 1483 outlining reconstruction efforts in Iraq. While the resolution grants the United States, which currently occupies Iraq, wide latitude in organizing a post-war Iraqi government and overseeing extensive reconstruction efforts, it also provides for significant input from the United Nations. The UN and other members of the international community now have a responsibility to utilize their experience in multilateral cooperation to ensure that the ongoing reconstruction process is effective, fair, and consistent. Things that make you go.hm? Regards, Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/8016 - Do you Yahoo!? Free online calendar with sync to Outlook(TM). [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Lj3uPC/Me7FAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
a supplier Larosa Rodolfo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:What do you need about dextrose ? Rodolfo - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Dextrose supplier needed
Anybody have a lead on bulk dextrose? Thanks in advance Terry - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Rent DVDs from home. Over 14,500 titles. Free Shipping No Late Fees. Try Netflix for FREE! http://us.click.yahoo.com/BVVfoB/hP.FAA/uetFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] methanol recovery still anyone
Talk to the guys at The Revenoor Co. They build stills from 5 to 1,000 gallon capacity and larger. They also build a recycling still to recover acetones, thinners and the likes. Making your own ethanol is very easy, legal and fun.www.revenoor.com503.662.4173 bowlcole [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm about 100 gallons into this home brew game and quite addicted. But there's the environmental issue tht I hear many of y'all turning over, methanol is pretty nasty, ethanol a bit more friendly. I have been told that I can recover almost all of the methanol. is this right. Then who has made a still. I am pretty ready to start one out of the 40 gallon hot water heater tank. NIce closed system with heating elements already in it. Has anyone made a still and how much are they recovering? Can you use the methanol indefinately? Also I've heard of someone needing to 'get rid' of some ethanol that's not pure. catch is they are only selling 1000 plus gallons anyone wish to go in on a tanker full? what are the risks? thanks bowlcole Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get A Free Psychic Reading! Your Online Answer To Life's Important Questions. http://us.click.yahoo.com/Z_CBYA/vB5FAA/AG3JAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol
ATF ( not their real name now) as far as the Fed's go, there is no requirement about having to be commerical property. Also, there are several methods for denaturing the alcohol besides gasoline. We agree that each state is different (Oregon distillers i.e. beverage is $100 per year). Most people that are distilling on a small scale are not only selling either as a beverage or fuel, but also to the marine and auto repair industry, essential oil people and the medical community. Its too bad that Bryan's good info included you need a whole raft of permits that are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor. We have supplied thousands of still to people all over the world including the United States. A fellow in W. Va.'s claim the fame is the nations smallest distillary. Check all the facts to see what you really need. Regards,Terry WilhelmThe Revenoor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Bryan, I was under the impression that if you got this permit, you could only produce ethanol on commercial land, not residential. Do you know if this is the case or [I hope] I'm just wrong? I've been drawing up plans for a constant distillation column .. I can't wait until I am out of school and have my own facilities to work on things. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Bryan Brah wrote: The small alcohol fuel producer (AFP) permit from BATF is free, but it only allows you to manufacture ethanol for your own use as a fuel. If you intend to sell the ethanol as a fuel you need an additional federal permit (not free). Ethanol sold as a fuel must be denatured (usually by adding 1 or 2 percent gasoline) which renders it undrinkable. If you intend to manufacture and sell ethanol for human consumption, you need a whole raft of permits that are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor. Of course the only difference between homemade ethanol for drinking and for fuel is that the fuel variety has less water and is generally more pure. Besides the appropriate Federal permits, there may be additional state, county, and city permits required to run a still in your backyard or garage. In Texas, there is a $189 per/year state fee. Most likely California is more. You may also need a license or an exemption letter stating how and where you will dispose of the waste from your production. If you intend to sell anything on a regular basis, you should have a DBA and a sales tax permit. Good Luck! -BRAH -Original Message- From: Luke Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:30 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Selling ethanol Hi, I an wondering if I make some ethanol how do I sell it? What does it sell for? Do I need a permit to produce and sell ethanol in the US spicifically around San Diego, Califorina? Is there a market to sell small quanities to start out? Just a college kid trying to figure it out, Luke Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get a FREE REFINANCE QUOTE - click here! http://us.click.yahoo.com/2CXtTB/ca0FAA/i5gGAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] Selling ethanol
ATF form 5110.74 Alcohol Fuel Producers permit. Free. We supply one with every still that we sell. And dont forget about the Federal and State tax credits at the end of the year. Let me know if you need any additional help.Regards,Terry WilhelmThe Revenoor Co. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryan Brah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I spent about three hours on the web pages of the U.S. Treasury Department, the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms, the Texas Alcohol Beverage Commission, the Travis County Tax Assessor/Collector Office, and the City of Austin. Then I spent about an hour on the phone with these various government organs. I was told by the feds that I needed the AFP permit, but after speaking to someone at the TABC was told that as long as I wasnÁt putting anything into the water or wastewater systems I only needed to register with the state and pay a fee of $189 per year. The county and city governments both said that as long as I wasnÁt selling anything I didnÁt need anything from them. I told each government agent exactly the same thing: ÁéI will be producing ethanol at my residence in quantities of less than 1000 proof gallons per year for my personal use as a motor fuel and/or catalyst in biodiesel production. What permits or licenses do I need?Á My plan is get the required permits, request ÁéOfficialÁ copies of the applicable regulations, and start production. -BRAH -Original Message- From: martin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 3:50 PM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [biofuel] Selling ethanol Bryan, I was under the impression that if you got this permit, you could only produce ethanol on commercial land, not residential. Do you know if this is the case or [I hope] I'm just wrong? I've been drawing up plans for a constant distillation column .. I can't wait until I am out of school and have my own facilities to work on things. -- --- Martin Klingensmith http://nnytech.net/ http://infoarchive.net/ Bryan Brah wrote: The small alcohol fuel producer (AFP) permit from BATF is free, but it only allows you to manufacture ethanol for your own use as a fuel. If you intend to sell the ethanol as a fuel you need an additional federal permit (not free). Ethanol sold as a fuel must be denatured (usually by adding 1 or 2 percent gasoline) which renders it undrinkable. If you intend to manufacture and sell ethanol for human consumption, you need a whole raft of permits that are probably beyond the budget of your endeavor. Of course the only difference between homemade ethanol for drinking and for fuel is that the fuel variety has less water and is generally more pure. Besides the appropriate Federal permits, there may be additional state, county, and city permits required to run a still in your backyard or garage. In Texas, there is a $189 per/year state fee. Most likely California is more. You may also need a license or an exemption letter stating how and where you will dispose of the waste from your production. If you intend to sell anything on a regular basis, you should have a DBA and a sales tax permit. Good Luck! -BRAH -Original Message- From: Luke Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 12:30 AM To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Selling ethanol Hi, I an wondering if I make some ethanol how do I sell it? What does it sell for? Do I need a permit to produce and sell ethanol in the US spicifically around San Diego, Califorina? Is there a market to sell small quanities to start out? Just a college kid trying to figure it out, Luke Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor http://us.ard.yahoo.com/M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1524963/R=0/*http:/hits.411web.com/cgi-bin/autoredir?camp=556lineid=3083889¢=egroupwebpos=HM http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=249982.3083889.4452939.1728375/D=egroupmail/S=:HM/A=1524963/rand=590618417 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
Re: [biofuel] Re: Drum Modification
TIG welder is the way to go.. Lot more control of the heat and solders (brazes) alot easier. Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] hugh_frater [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'd braze onto the drum. In order to braze, you use flux and a bronze/brass filler wire. Note that it does not involve melting the steel of the drum. You can't do it with a MIG welder, but can use a carbon arc brazing attachment on a ordinary stick welder. Although to be brutally honest, I wouldn't waste your time with these toys and beg/steel/borry a oxy/propane setup and braze with that because you'll get better results. Hugh Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Drum Modification
A plastic tank adapter would work great too. All you would have to do is drill a hole in the drum with a hole saw. Terry Wilhelm The Revenoor Co INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:In a message dated 14/01/03 01:28:32 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, I am trying to find a reliable way to install a 3/4 copper valve in the side of a 55 gallon drum in order to drain off settled biodiesel to go into a wash tank (leaving the settled out gunk at the bottom). Does anyoned have a good technique or know of suppliers for the necessary parts? Thanks. Jack Can you use standard domestic plastic pipe fittings? Cheap to replace if it goes off Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT var lrec_target=_top;var lrec_URL = new Array();lrec_URL[1] = http://rd.yahoo.com/M=229021.2846012.4200517.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1406395/R=0/id=flashurl/*http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?gloss2+shopping:dmad/M=229021.2846012.4200517.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1406395/R=1/1042906167+http://us.rmi.yahoo.com/rmi/http://www.gloss.com/rmi-framed-url/http://www.gloss.com/entry.point%3Fentry=1117666%26source=YHOO_PRS:L13:N:P9:1117666:702:GLS ;var link=javascript:LRECopenWindow(1);var lrec_flashfile = 'http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/gl/gloss/gpx_ncf_slc_freeship.swf?clickTAG='+link+'';var lrec_altURL = http://rd.yahoo.com/M=229021.2846012.4200517.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1406395/R=2/id=altimgurl/*http://shop.store.yahoo.com/cgi-bin/clink?gloss2+shopping:dmad/M=229021.2846012.4200517.1925585/D=egroupweb/S=1705083269:HM/A=1406395/R=3/1042906167+http://us.rmi.yahoo.com/rmi/http://www.gloss.com/rmi-framed-url/http://www.gloss.com/entry.point%3Fentry=1117666%26source=YHOO_PRS:L13:N:P9:1117666:702:GLS ;var lrec_altimg = http://us.a1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/a/gl/gloss/gpx_ncs_slc_freeship.jpg;var lrec_width = 300;var lrec_height = 250; Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] ethanol
Yep, turn the mixture jet out a little. It needs more fuel on alcohol. Watch the fuel lines and filter. New rubber lines would be a good idea and keep an eye on the neo filter. Thats it. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC Serving The World With Stills [EMAIL PROTECTED], www.revenoor.com Mike Teresa Sundstrom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Is it possible to convert a briggs stratton lawn mower engine to run on ethanol ? If so what is involved ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://webconx.green-trust.org/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Using Alcohol for fuel - 1
Hello Jose Alcohol is more dense then gasoline. You will need to open the jets up about an additional 1/3. On a small engine this means adjusting the mixture screw. On a larger engine this is done by drilling the jets out an additional 1/3 or replacing with larger jets. Hope this helps Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] JOSE GALVAN wrote: Where can I get instructions on converting over a regular lawn mower engine for burning home made fuels like alcohol? Where can I find out what the actual emissions are from using alcohol as a fuel? Thank you, Jose Trevino 281-850-4604 - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Plan to Sell a Home? http://us.click.yahoo.com/J2SnNA/y.lEAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Using Alcohol for fuel - 2
Ok Bryan, lets try thicker then gasoline. Since alcohol is thicker it needs a bigger hole to get through. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bryan Fullerton wrote:You mean LESS dense. Less density in this case means more volume is needed. This is why carb jets need drilled out. - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 24, 2002 8:43 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Using Alcohol for fuel - 1 Hello Jose Alcohol is more dense then gasoline. You will need to open the jets up about an additional 1/3. On a small engine this means adjusting the mixture screw. On a larger engine this is done by drilling the jets out an additional 1/3 or replacing with larger jets. Hope this helps Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] JOSE GALVAN wrote: Where can I get instructions on converting over a regular lawn mower engine for burning home made fuels like alcohol? Where can I find out what the actual emissions are from using alcohol as a fuel? Thank you, Jose Trevino 281-850-4604 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff (and again I say)
I can agree with your comments.but...you are referring to a distilled spirits plant. That is not the case or even close when we are talking about Alcohol Fuel Producers or redistillers permit. And we can still go to the reclaiming or redistilling permit side of ATF. I just dont think that it is fair that the people trying to make ethanol as an alternative fuel or for biofuel should be getting all this mis-information from people that are not ATF talking or even appear to have had any contact with ATF or their local government. I have seen websites that state its illegal to OWN a still in the USA. Boy that would discourage alot of people fast. All I want to say is to check the facts and your sources on your own. In the mean time we will try to keep the facts as we know it out there and going in the right direction. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken Provost wrote:Terry Wilhelm writes: I wish that the people that do not have or have ever [sic] tried to get an Alcohol Fuel Producers Permit from ATF would refrain from giving their opinion. [ouch!] The permit ATF F 5110.74 does not state that the still must be set up on commerical property. Alas, the feds have many regulations up their sleeves, and they don't do you the favor of telling you all the relevant passages on every form. They hope you won't do your homework, so that you can be assured of being in violation of some regulation or another every second of your life. I think the relevant one in this case can be found at http://envirotext.eh.doe.gov/data/uscode/26/5178.shtml Section 5178, subsection (a), part (1), paragraph (B): No distilled spirits plant for the production of distilled spirits [don't you love that one?] shall be located in any dwelling house, in any shed, yard, or inclosure [sic] connected with any dwelling house... I guess the question is whether distilling (or re-distilling) ethanol for biodiesel makes you a distilled spirits plant. I leave to others more willing to wade through the gummint's nonsense and misspellings to determine this pressing issue. For my part, I will continue to do what I want, secure in the understanding that it's probly ALWAYS illegal -K Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Sell a Home with Ease! http://us.click.yahoo.com/SrPZMC/kTmEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Dumb Question-Why do people believe this stuff
I'll send a little of the same info that this all started out with. I wish that the people that do not have or have ever tried to get an Alcohol Fuel Producers Permit from ATF would refrain from giving their opinion. The permit ATF F 5110.74 does not state that the still must be set up on commerical property. The permit does state that the property must have some security, like a lock. Their are also recovery permits that would not make recovering ethanol a crime. As far as reporting, it is not monthly, but at the end of the year. I'll answer any other questions to the best of my knowledge if anyone has any. We have found that the folks at ATF have been the greatest as far as help and questions. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Curtis Sakima wrote:Hey, can I ask like the dumbest question in history?? What IS it ... that motivates the ATF (and other govt. agencies) ... to make such an overwhelming stink about ethanol?? Huh?? What is it?? I know it's because you're guaranteed GOING to do something that the govt. don't want. Something that ... if the govt. doesn't stick a AK-47 in your face and command you NOT to do ... You're GOING to do. So I know that's WHY the watch you like a hawk!! But I'm naive ... ok?? What is it that I'm GOING to do ... such that the ATF demands that I report regularly to them to make sure I'm not doing it. What is it?? Drink my distiller's output?? Sell it?? Sell it to Saddam Hussein in exchange for setting up a Al-Queda terrorist cell here in the US?? What's the crime everyone's looking so hard for?? naive me, Curtis --- Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By definition, the biodiesel homebrewer will always be breaking the law, if any ethanol is recovered. = Get your free newsletter at http://www.ezinfocenter.com/3122155/NL __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] source of ethanol - 1
Well here is a small amount of information that The Revenoor CO. can provide for answers. First, the cheapest and easiest way to get the proof that you need is to make it yourself. Second, the legal way to do this is with an Alcohol Producers Permit from ATF. Every still that The Revenoor Co. sells comes with a 208 page book on making alcohol that includes the ATF form. The permit is free and takes about 45 days to get. Also, if you are a distiller and you buy or sell to another distiller there are no federal taxes. Keep in mind that as an Alcohol Fuel Producer that you can received federal and local tax credits. Hope this helps Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ken Provost wrote:Michael writes: does anyone know of a good source of reasonably priced ethanol for making biodiesel? It doesn't need to be completely anhydrous (95% would be okay, I can use dessicants to remove the rest of the water), but it can NOT be denatured with gasoline. It would be okay to be denatured with methanol, but of course I'd prefer it if it were possible to get ethanol that hasn't been denatured at all. In the US, that would always be taxed as beverage alcohol (I believe -- maybe there are some exceptions) and would be prohibitively expensive. Even denaturing only lowers the price by the tax -- still $5-$7 a gallon even in multi-drum quantities. It's the fuel-grade folks who really make huge quantities cheap ( $2 a gal) , and they all use gasoline as denaturant. What's your objection to that? By the way, only fuel-grade is typically grain-based, unless you especially buy (and pay extra for) so-called grain neutral spirits. And this stuff is rarely denatured, so you pay the tax as well. Most solvent stuff (paint stores, Home Depot, laboratory supply places, etc.) is made from ethylene (from petroleum) and is probly worse (environmentally) than methanol. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/MVfIAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re heating fuel to diesel distillar
The Revenoor Co. INC builds a Hazardous Waste Unit Recycling still. We custom build the columns for not only what you need to reclaim but to also produce alcohol in the same still. Hope this helps. http://www.revenoor.com/revenoor_003.htm bottm on the page Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC [EMAIL PROTECTED] al [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Regarding the gentleman with a tankful of heating oil. I beleive a very simple still would get rid of the colour. al [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? HotJobs, a Yahoo! service - Search Thousands of New Jobs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- 4 DVDs Free +sp Join Now http://us.click.yahoo.com/pt6YBB/NXiEAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send Unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] Ethanol driven cars
The Revenoor Co. INC has shown that with 150-160 proof ethanol you will need to open the jets on a carb. engine about an additional 1/3. This usually involves using a set of drills and a little experimenting. Higher proof alcohol responds well to higher compression ratio's. We have ran various engines with only fuel delivery modifications and no internal modifications. On smaller one cylinder engines you can usually just adjust the mixture screw enough. Hope this helps. Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com manickh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can a petrol car be modified to run on 90% ethanol without modifying compression ratio? Does higher CR entail changing piston,clylinder dimensions? Can I run on lower power and CR? I would like to try this out in India village if possible.Ur suggestions most welcome. Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Will You Find True Love? Will You Meet the One? Free Love Reading by phone! http://us.click.yahoo.com/7dY7FD/R_ZEAA/Ey.GAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm List messages are archived at the Info-Archive at NNYTech: http://archive.nnytech.net/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Greeting and question - Someone who may help
Hello Gang; The man with all the answers for this may be found at The Essential Oil Company in Portland, Oregon, USA. Contact Robert there: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 800.729.5912 Phone / 503.872.8767 FAX.. Robert has traveled the world and has extensive knowledge on this and other essential oil matters. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm / The Revenoor Co, INC. / Serving the World With Stills [EMAIL PROTECTED] bagong [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, 1. I live in Indonesia, but frankly I never been seen how the process to extract the oil from palm fruit. The island which a lot of palm tree farm and palm oil factory is in another island, while I never been there. I heard they crushed the palm fruit and boiled with a lot of water and then separate the oil, so the they got a high rendement ( it's correct... ??) Then now about Jatropha curcas, so far I knew is just by pressing (extruder) method to get the oil, which it a lot of oil remaining in the waste oil cake. Have you been hear about how to take the Jatropha oil with better method for higher rendement, may be as palm oil extraction method as above or so ?. Palm oil is demanded, it has a good export value, while Jatropha not demanded, but it could growth well everywhere in tropical arid land just by rainfed. 2. From your website, I read, some big fuel company sold the fossil Diesel fuel mixed with a bit of Biodiesel, means at least it few thousand litres of Biodiesel a day needed. How they produce the Biodiesel in big amount, just by TransEsterification method or may be with hydrocracking method as people did to the heavy fossil fuel ?. Actually it possible or not to shorten the SVO molecular bond by cracking method ?. Thanks a lot for your attention in advance Many regards Effendi S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? Sign-up for Video Highlights of 2002 FIFA World Cup [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/3PCXaC/PfREAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Diesel Motorcycles ? the answer
Royal Enfield has been producing diesel motorcycles for several years. They are produced by a British company and sold in India. Big market there. There is one distributor in the US that I have spoken with about this bike. I have priced the bikes several times when I was in India and then check the prices in the US and they are almost three times the cost. In the US they come with a key and turn signals. I believe that the bike was a 500 cc. The diesel model was all black. No chrome but has a real neat sound. Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com Serving the World With Stills --- craig reece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did a Google search on them once, and there's an company in India that makes them, and the British Army is working on one, and someone's working on a diesel/electric hybrid motorcycle. Craig Greg and April wrote: I just had a thought, does anyone know of a motorcycle that uses diesel, instead of gas ? Greg H. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 2
agree Steve, did not mean to imply otherwise. The permit is free from ATF and takes around 60 days. Terry steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: unless he gets the small fuel producer permit, he will find himself in more trouble than a drug peddler. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Terry Wilhelm [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 11:42 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Cheap Alcohol in Vermont? - 1 Why dont you make your own? After all this is what this is all about. Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of a dealer/supplier in the New England area of ethanol or methanol? I am trying to drop costs in my production to make it more appealing to those institutions (Middlebury College, U. Vermont, etc.)interested in biodiesel. Thanks, Ron Schildge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Games - play chess, backgammon, pool and more [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuels-biz] young entrepreneur type
They have done it in Brazil. Now its our turn. There is nothing to stop us and we intend on helping everyone out to do just that. Go get em Nathan Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Nathan Cheng [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a young entrepreneur type trying to figure out why every car on the street isn't running on 100% ethanol. From what I've found on the Web so far, I am led to believe that ethanol is the best thing since sliced bread, and the only reason it hasn't replaced gasoline as the fuel of choice is because most people haven't yet reached that higher stage of evolution when they throw their sliced bread into a big vat and let it ferment. What's the real story? What are the cons of ethanol use? What are the forces at work here? Are the only things standing in the way of wide-spread ethanol use the big wigs in the oil industry and the evil politicians in their pockets? What's to stop me from opening up a 100% ethanol auto fueling station in Los Angeles? Why hasn't anyone done it yet? Or have they, and I just don't know about it? Thanks for your help, Nathan _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/9bTolB/TM -~- Biofuels at Journey to Forever http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel at WebConX http://www.webconx.com/2000/biofuel/biofuel.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Warren Still Design - Still help
Some time ago I came across these plans and took an interest just to see what other people were trying to do. I was not impressed with the design or its safety. True, it was not an expensive project. The Revenoor Co. has been building all copper stills for over 26 years. Many custom designs also. We have built many stills that were just someones idea to do something different. If there is anything we could help you with let us know. Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. INC www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 503.662.4173 --- George Lola Wessel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello gaw The only part I am interested in is the automatic control. What kind of control was it? Where was it installed? Where was the sensor probe placed? I am working on building a fuel grade still and would be distilling larger volumes of wort. Wouldn't want to have to baby sit my still. Any help would be appreciated George [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith is right about the fact you should not waste your time with the Warren still. I bought the plans and built the unit and it does not perform as it is claimed. It is also very expensive to build in comparison with other units available off the web. I do however disagree with the unsafe part of the denial. I found nothing more or less unsafe about the unit, it was just extremely slow for the cost and did not reach the purity as claime or which I needed. thanks gaw- -- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Keith A few days back someone posted a message that said that a Robert Warren had still design plans for sale and to check out your Journeys to Forevers web site. The article was under the name .../ethanol robert1.html. I have searched your site for Robert Warren and all combinations theirof. The message didn't have an email address, phone number or a mail address to contact Mr Warren at. Could you tell me how to contact Mr Warren to purchase the plans for his still. Thanks George -- __ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/. __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Continuous Transes/Ferm Processes - 1
Nicola The continuous systems that we build run 24 hours a day. If you have a time problem just start the batches at a later time so that they finish during the time of the day that you want. Hope that helps Regards, Terry D. Wilhelm The Revenoor Co. www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 503.662.4173 --- Nicola Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear All, Am I right in assuming that the continuous processes for transesterification and fermentation must be run 24 hours per day, or can they be suspended overnight and run from, say, 9am to 5pm. Thanks, Nicola __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] biofuelers/portland,or - answer
Hello Rawls For Biodiesel contact Bill Isbister [EMAIL PROTECTED] 503.591.0832 hes got the biodiesel answers. If you are interested in ethanol production you can contact us. The Revenoor Co 503.662.4173 www.revenoor.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hope this helps Regards, Terry D. Wilhlem --- Rawls Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know of commercial or home biofuelers in the area of Portland, OR? I would like to talk to anyone who is in the area regarding biofuels. Thanks, rawls __ Do You Yahoo!? Try FREE Yahoo! Mail - the world's greatest free email! http://mail.yahoo.com/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- FREE COLLEGE MONEY CLICK HERE to search 600,000 scholarships! http://us.click.yahoo.com/iZp8OC/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation in copper
We at The Revenoor Co. have custom built stainless steel stills in the past and the beverage people just were not happy with the end result. So we bought them back and made copper ones instead. Terry Wilhelm steve spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: copper is a time-honored material applicable for use in alcohol stills. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://24.190.106.81:8383/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: janandjoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2002 5:50 AM Subject: RE: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation I am currently experimenting with adapting copper cylinders which are heated via a coil using solar collectors, as a processing vessel for some stage of biofuel making. The reasoning is that I work for a company installing solar thermal systems and we usually replace the existing copper cylinders - their scrap value is minimal, so this is possibly a way to add some value to the copper cylinder and provide a simple vessel for small batch processing of biofuel ( eg.suitable for farmers) I realise that copper is not the most suitable material due to its chemical reactivity - but there does seem to be scope for its less problematic use at the heating stage.. Jan -Original Message- From: randallbarron1 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 08 February 2002 14:42 To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Subject: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation Okay, so solar stills are available, but do not produce a very high ethanol concentration with distillation. What about using solar energy to preheat your solution before it reaches a regular still. If you could preheat with solar power, less energy would need to be input it to the final distillation processes. Randall --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to this group so this may have already been answered before, but I have not been able to find any information on it yet. I keep seeing information about energy use for distillation being a limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative fuel source. Has anyone looked into using some sort of solar collector to provide the heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for distillation? Randall Hi Randall http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.ht ml Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15 Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS Also: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups SponsorADVERTISEMENT Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. - Do You Yahoo!? Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: ethanol distillation
This is one of the reasons that The Revenoor Co. www.revenoor.com offers all alcohol stills with internal solar/steam coils. Terry --- randallbarron1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, so solar stills are available, but do not produce a very high ethanol concentration with distillation. What about using solar energy to preheat your solution before it reaches a regular still. If you could preheat with solar power, less energy would need to be input it to the final distillation processes. Randall --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am new to this group so this may have already been answered before, but I have not been able to find any information on it yet. I keep seeing information about energy use for distillation being a limiting factor using ethanol as an alternative fuel source. Has anyone looked into using some sort of solar collector to provide the heat (or at least some of the heat) needed for distillation? Randall Hi Randall http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel_library/ethanol_manual/manual15.ht ml Alcohol Fuel Manual Ch15 Chapter 15 SOLAR STILLS Also: http://journeytoforever.org/ethanol_energy.html Is ethanol energy-efficient? Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Vacumn distillation
The Revenoor Co., www.revenoor.com, makes all copper stills ranging from 5 gallon removable tops to 1,000 gallon systems. We have several people pulling 25 inches of vacuum on them. Although those models have been re-enforced somewhat. Hope that helps [EMAIL PROTECTED] movember [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any suggestions for an off-the-shelf vacuum distillation unit for recovering methanol from a home-built continuous processor? If possible, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Preferably, send it here to the list - I'm sure a lot of members would be interested. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Get your FREE credit report with a FREE CreditCheck Monitoring Service trial http://us.click.yahoo.com/ACHqaB/bQ8CAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
