Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Hi Fox

Check with these guys, they know more about TDI's than anyone around.

http://www.tdiclub.com/




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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Passat TDi

Dear All,
I have VW Passat TDi. I have been using the biodiesel for 2 and 1/2 years, I 
find that the fuel filter begins to clog up after 6 months. Loss of power 
becomes apparent. Further at speed fuel supply cuts off. After coming to a 
halt, the car does not start again. After half an hour, the car restarts. Does 
any one know whether its the fuel filter or the fuel pump?
regards

fox


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Re: [Biofuel] Why I love living in Virginia

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

I don't get the logic here. 

If a person is hell bent on killing people, how is not allowing CCW's on
campus going to stop that person ?
They are going to defy the rule/law in any case. 

It's like putting a fox in hen house. The hen's have no defense.  
If you allow CCW's on campus what type theoretical threat is that going
to pose ?
John Doe gets bad grade, pulls legal CCW firearm and kills prof. Has
this ever happen ?

On the other side, John Doe walks in to class starts shooting students. 
Outcome #1 
Prof/student Andy, hearing the shooting from another room, pulls
his CCW firearm and defends him self and the other students. 
The number of causalities minimized. It is also possible that
Andy is killed in the initial shooting and he unable to stop John Doe. 
Outcome #2
John Doe continues to kill until the Cop's show up 30min later,
32 dead + John dead (Self Inflected). 


M
 


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Mike,
You are welcome to move to South Carolina:

 S.C. lawmakers consider allowing concealed weapons on campuses
http://www.cnn.com/2007/EDUCATION/05/16/guns.on.campus.ap/

Hopefully it won't pass before the legislature goes home and cooler
heads will prevail.

I should mention that I work at a state college in Charleston.  Ack!

On 5/15/07, Mike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 *Virginia Citizens Defense League to give away automatic pistols:*


 The raffle, designed to raise money for two Virginia gun dealers being

 sued by the City of New York snip



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Re: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe andMail - 2007.01.11

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

So - Kalifornia will just keep importing. Only 1 of 50 states. 

M 

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Subject: [Biofuel] Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California - Globe
andMail - 2007.01.11

Oil sands hit major 'hurdle' in California Alberta's energy resources at
disadvantage under state rule limiting greenhouse gases

Byline: Martin Mittelstaedt

The tar sands are one of the most
prolific sources of energy in North America, but the fabled petroleum
resource may have trouble finding a market in California under a new
state policy requiring all vehicle fuels sold there to produce lower
emissions of greenhouse gases.
While most new laws on cleaner-burning fuel look only at tailpipe
emissions, the new California policy, announced this week by Governor
Arnold Schwarzenegger, has an unusual twist.
It will count gases discharged during the full life cycle of the
petroleum, a move that puts Alberta's oil sands at a disadvantage
because gasoline derived from this source requires huge quantities of
energy to extract and mine the sticky bitumen.
The oil sands have long been controversial in Canada because of their
large greenhouse-gas emissions, but the action in California is the
first sign that crude from this source might not find a welcome market
in the United States on environmental grounds.
This is such a groundbreaking plan, said Hal Harvey, environment
program director for the California-based Hewlett Foundation, which
helped pay for the research that led to the new directive.
Under the state's so-called low-carbon fuel standard, all transportation
fuel sold will have to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases emitted
during its production and final use by at least 10 per cent by 2020.
Mr. Harvey says Alberta's oil sands are such a relatively high- emission
source of energy -- he puts it at about 20-per-cent higher than gasoline
from conventional crude -- that he believes refiners will be reluctant
to buy the product when the new policy, to be issued as a directive by
Mr. Schwarzenegger, goes into effect.
I don't think it would be purchased, Mr. Harvey said. It creates a
very large hurdle.
He said Canadian tar sands producers will have to develop ways of
substantially lowering greenhouse-gas emissions or risk being shut out
of the California market.
What it really suggests is that it will behoove the Canadian oil
industry to think about a carbon mitigation strategy, Mr. Harvey said.
Very little synthetic crude from Alberta is currently sold in
California, the largest U.S. fuel market. The bulk of U.S. exports go to
the Rocky Mountain and Midwest regions, according to officials with
Suncor Energy Inc. and Syncrude Canada Ltd., the two big producers in
the Alberta oil sands.
Syncrude spokesman Alain Moore declined to comment on the impact the
directive will have on the company, but said it has been able to reduce
its greenhouse-gas emissions by about 1.7 per cent a year for each
barrel of oil produced through efficiency measures.
Brad Bellows, a spokesman for Suncor, said the Canadian industry
estimates the amount of extra greenhouse-gas production from synthetic
oil may be as little as 7.6 per cent, compared with conventional crude,
far lower than Mr. Harvey's estimate. Mr.
Bellows said the company will be able to cope with the new regulation if
the lower Canadian figure is accepted.
I don't think that we're actually at any serious disadvantage with
synthetic crude, he said.
Mr. Bellows said that because of the paucity of U.S.
pipeline connections, the quantity of oil from the tar sands that enters
California is limited.
But Mr. Harvey predicted that the California measure will spread to the
U.S. markets that are more important for Alberta's oil sands. California
has generally led U.S. states in the field of air-pollution initiatives,
and he expects the idea of regulating the full life cycle emissions from
gasoline and diesel fuel to be adopted by other U.S. jurisdictions.
I think it will [spread]. It's a very appealing measure, he said.
The California standard is expected to be in place formally by late
2008, according to state timelines.
According to the state, refiners will be able to meet the new directive
through measures such as blending low-carbon ethanol into their fuel, or
purchasing credits to offset emissions from other companies that have
reduced their discharges.
Late last year, the Pembina Institute, a Canadian environmental think
tank, estimated that the oil sands will contribute nearly half of the
country's growth of greenhouse-gas emissions between 2003 and 2010
unless the industry adopts measures to offset discharges.
(c) 2007 CTVglobemedia Publishing Inc. All Rights Reserved.



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Re: [Biofuel] NVIC response to: India: Highly Vaccinated Babies GetPolio

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

It depends on how you look at it. 

Both my brothers in a small town in alaska (pre vaccine), of 65 kids in
the town 45 got polio. 
2 died, 4 wheel chair bound, one of my brothers has a fused ancle, the
other recovered. 
I was born 20 years later and of a school 1200, we had one case of
polio. 
And there was no nutrition or sanitation problems in the town. 

Mark 

 

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Subject: [Biofuel] NVIC response to: India: Highly Vaccinated Babies
GetPolio

The pro-vaccination community perhaps should be proud of all the good
work that they do.

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  October 26, 2006


They say almost all the cases have been reported from areas where
sanitation is an issue and most of the children belong to poor families
unable to give them a nutritious diet. In the developed countries, a
child
needs three doses for immunisation. But in India, a child may need up
to 10
doses, they say. Officials have confirmed that one child in Delhi has
contracted the virus despite veing given nine shots of the vaccine. -
Geeta Pandey, BBC News, Delhi


Barbara Loe Fisher Commentary:

  It is painful to watch doctors and public health officials squirt
unlimited amounts of live oral polio vaccine down the throats of babies
in
India rather than address the poor nutrition and sanitation that comes
with
poverty, the true cause of most disease. With a religious zeal not seen
since the Crusades, these public health officials bearing live polio
viruses capable of being causing vaccine strain polio and transmitting
it
to others through the open sewage pits of poor communities in India,
apparently have no idea what they are doing.

Have the relentless polio vaccine campaigns in India and other poor
countries put pressure on one or all of the three polio viruses
contained
in the live oral polio vaccine to mutute into vaccine resistant forms?
Have
the malnourished, poor children repeatedly exposed to live polio
viruses
become immune compromised and more vulnerable to other diseases? These
and
other questions are ignored as the vaccinators mindlessly conduct one
polio
vaccine campaign after another, determined to eradicate a virus from
the
earth using a live virus vaccine which gives the virus opportunity to 
thrive.

  The people, like lambs led to slaughter, do not know how to stand up
to
the officials in white coats. Some run. Others submit, afraid of
retribution. And the highly vaccinated children living in poverty
without
enough to eat continue to get sicker and sicker.

**
  Indian alarm at new polio cases
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/6082970.stm

  BBC News, Delhi
26 October 2006

By Geeta Pandey

Wednesday, 25 October 2006, 07:48 GMT 08:48 UK
E-mail this to a friendPrintable version
Indian alarm at new polio cases
By Geeta Pandey
BBC News, Delhi

Polio baby
A health worker in India gives polio drops to a baby
Officials in India say they are worried over the growing number of
polio
cases in the country.

They say 119 new cases have been reported in the past month, taking the
total number of infections to 416.

The disease, which attacks children under five years, affects the
nervous
system and can result in paralysis.

With almost one-third of the total 1,449 cases in the world, India is
seen
as a big stumbling block in the struggle against polio.

Particularly dismal has been the case of the northern state of Uttar
Pradesh where 358 polio cases have been recorded.

Spreading virus

Earlier it was believed that the virus was confined to some pockets of
western Uttar Pradesh, but health ministry officials say now it has
spread
to 41 of the 70 districts in the state.

The neighbouring state of Bihar comes second with 28 infections.

With new cases being reported from the capital, Delhi, and in the
western
city of Mumbai, experts say the virus has now travelled out of the
region
and is afflicting children in the whole of northern and western India.

Officials blame it on people moving out of the worst-affected states to
other parts of the country.

It is the migrants who have taken it out of Bihar and Uttar Pradesh.
All
the cases found in Delhi or Mumbai can be linked to the state as these
children had travelled there in the last few months, a spokesman for
the
health ministry told the BBC.

Experts say the spread of the virus is dependent on three factors -
lack of
nutrition, environmental causes 

Re: [Biofuel] Major Problems Of Surviving Peak Oil

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

What is all this Peak Oil end of the world garbage. 

We have many decades if not 100+ years of conventional oil left. 
We have huge amounts of Tar Sands (1.7 Trillion barrels) to exploit. 
We have potential 1000's of years worth of Methane-Hydrates available.
Estimated to be greater than twice the world total of oil.
We have almost limitless Nuclear energy potential through the use of
Breeder, Light water and Heavy water reactors. 
Not to mention the other - Wind - Water - Solar - BioFuels - etc. 
All of which are up and coming. The higher energy cost go up the more
pressure there will be on Alternate sources. 

As said before Everything changes. All we need to do is plan for then
and adapt. 
Go for it Anti-Carbon Crusaders, I see it coming. 

Mark 



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They used to do without any real significant oil back when?  Say 1800s?

The only difference was the size of the population.  That will be the
cause of chaos since oil bred the population.

I expect I only have 20 years left and with my luck, it will happen
before than.

Sorry.  Just my 2cents rambling.

John


On 10/19/2006, MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 No doubt about it, the world runs on oil.  No oil, no world, at 
 least as we have known it.  The realization of this when gas prices 
 spiked a year

snip

 Yeah...whatever.  Everything changes.  And, I guess I'll cross
that bridge when I come to it.  Maybe I'll know how to use a knife and
bow and arrow by then--or maybe not.  Mike DuPree

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Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Kirk the melting point of DU is 2070 F (1132C) and the 
boiling point us 7101 F (3917C).

The max temperature seen in the TWC was round 1000C, not 
even enough the melt DU let alone vaporize it. 

Mark 



From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kirk 
McLorenSent: Monday, September 25, 2006 1:25 PMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Tiny Inhaled 
Particles Take Easy Route From Nose ToBrain

When metals burn they produce fine particles.
The aircraft in 9-11 have DU counterweights on the moveable parts of the 
wing.
They knew that. Now they want to duck the health problems of the cleanup 
crews.
Did the tv or press talk about the DU in the crash? I never saw it if they 
did.
Some description of DU counterweights here.
http://www.earthisland.org/EIJOURNAL/sum2000/wr_sum2000uranium.html

http://vzajic.tripod.com/3rdchapter.html
Boeing 747 needs 1,500 kg of counterweights [9]. DU 
counterweights for Boeing are made by the Starmet Corp. (formerly Nuclear 
Metals), a Massachusetts based company, in their Federal Aviation Administration 
(FAA) approved facility. 

Kirk

Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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Just 
  take a look about DU and gulf war 
  syndromeJoeD. Mindock wrote:
  


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Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded firearms aboard

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Paul you need to get your facts straight or at least your 
myths 

It is imposable to open an Door or Emergency exit while the 
plane is pressurized.
The doors are larger than the openings they sit in. The air 
pressure keeps the closed. 
Ever noticed why the open inward then turned sideways, 
before it is pushed outside the aircraft. 

It is near impossible to take out a window in an jetliner. 
They between 3 and 5 layers thick and made from Polycarbonate, they will not 
blowout. 
A bullet will only punch a hole in them. 


Your statement the you will die if the plane depressurizes 
is also false. 
You will become unconscious after 5-10mins at altitude and 
will die in 20+min, but by that time the pilot will have lowered the aircraft to 
a breathable altitude (15k or less) 
Now if your pilots are unable to do the maneuver, I 
guess you are out of luck. 

The fresh air compressors on modern jetliner could 
probability keep up with 20-30 bullets holds without loosing enough pressure to 
make people pass out. 

If you realy want rapid decompression, try flying on a 
real old Hawian Air lines plane or a bomb.

Mark 





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CantrellSent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 1:19 PMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] was..Bring loaded 
firearms aboard
Not entirely...Mostly depends on how big the hole is. The size 
of a finger gets you a loud whistling noise. A larger hole will cause 
rapid decompression. God forbid a gunshot caused a window to pop out, or 
an emergency door to pop open.
On 9/20/06, Chip 
Mefford [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
Paul 
  S Cantrell wrote: Problem comes when you shoot a hole in that 'metal 
  tube' at 33,000 feet and the plane depressurizes and EVERYONE on board 
  dies.naw,that's fiction.Entertaining though it may 
  have been, Goldfinger wasn't a documentary. 
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Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a generator

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

In Alaska we had a 2 cylinder 4Kw Lister. The absolute 
nosiest generator in creation. 

But it did run for 20 years 12h/day 6m/year without a 
problem. 

In our 
case we took a 55 gallon drum. placed a divider in it, and filled it with gavel, 
and buried it in the ground.
The 
divider had holes cut into it at the bottom. 
The 
exhaust went in one Bung - Down to bottom - back up the other side - and then 
into the stack. 
It 
worked great as a muffler. 

We 
built a small building to house it and used 1' layer sod/tundra to insulate the 
building walls.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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McLorenSent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 11:17 AMTo: 
biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power 
a generator

Dont forget to mount the motor on vibration damper. Also consider cooling 
flow and combustion air. Sound studios use labyrinths/baffles on air 
conditioning
KirkMike Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
I 
  have mine in a shed - boat shops have sound-deadening material.Zeke is 
  the guy to ask about plans and how it should fit together...Thomas 
  Kelly wrote:Mike, I have a concern about noise from a 
  generator. I live in a rural area  closest neighbor is about .3 mi 
  away. I live here because I like peace and quiet. I sometimes sit in 
  the garden and listen to the caterpillars eating leaves on my 
  trees. The friend who's offering the VW engine has a 12 or 15KW 
  Changfa ... it's loud!!! My thinking is to build a small 
  "generator house" into a slope on my property  line the inside 
  with foam or something to deaden the sound . muffler on the 
  exhaust. The idea is to keep the heat on and the well pump going when 
  there's an interuption in power. I'd like the energy for processing BD 
  to come from a generator run on BD. I think solar will be part of my 
  energy future (not including the plant "middle man" I already rely 
  on). With improvements in batteries and inverters, it would seem 
  possible to add PV arrays to supplement the diesel generator, and 
  eventually take over. I know little about generators, PV arrays, 
  batteries or inverters, but at this time last year I hadn't made 
  anything bigger than 1L batches of BD, had never driven a diesel car, 
  and knew nothing about nozzles, electrodes, or even what the "little 
  door" on my furnace were for. A lot can happen in a year. 
  Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" 
  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: 
  Tuesday, June 27, 2006 9:25 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] VW Diesel to 
  power a generator I have a 4.7 HP 
  Changfa I've been happy with - it runs a 100 amp GMalternator - I 
  get about 1200 watts out of it. I think it would easilyrun a 200 
  amp,or just buy a genset from Grainger if you want AC current. I 
  expect itwould handle 3000 - 4000 watts. It doesn't use much fuel 
  but it isnoisy - needs to be in a shed unless you are 
  rural.-Mikeason Katie 
  wrote: maybe rig up 2 or 3 
  generators to it? use a heavy motorcycle chain 
  maybe?JasonICQ#: 
  154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  (mostlikely to get 
  me) - Original Message 
  - *From:* Thomas Kelly 
   *To:* biofuel 
   *Sent:* Tuesday, June 
  27, 2006 7:34 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] VW Diesel to power a 
  generator Hello all, I'm 
  interested in getting a diesel generator. A friend has offered 
  me a VW Rabbit diesel engine (48HP) and says it would be great 
  to power a generator. It seems a bit overkill. I was looking 
  at 4 - 6 HP. Guidance here would be 
  appreciated. Tom 
   
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Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel from wood

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

 
One system is thermal pyrolysis of biomass (wood etc.) to Bio-wood oil. 
This is done without combustion, just heating the biomass to about 500C.


It produces a mixture of Waxes - diesel - low grade gasoline - light
hydrocarbons - and gaseous hydrocarbons (CO-Methane...)
They spec about 80% conversion to liquid. 

The oil tends to be acidic and needs further refining to be usable as a
transportation fuel. 

I saw (somewhere) a solar pyrolysis system where the biomass was feed
into a trough type concentrator. 
The solar energy pyrolysised the mass and then the resulting gas was
further heated to around 1000C to crack the heavy hydrocarbons and Tars.

The results were char(Carbon) and some mixture of syn-gas (methane + CO
+ H2 + etc). Void of most CO2 and N2.
This was feed into a filter/cooler and the to diesel generator. 
This seemed like a good system since the high temperatures cracked all
the Tars and kept the diesel from ingesting them.
It also avoids the volume metric problems of inert and waste gasses. (N2
and CO2) 

Mark 



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Re: [Biofuel] American diesels

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Mainly because there are very few small diesel power cars. 


The standard is the 4000lb+ trucks with V8 Cummins Turbo 
diesels. 

Im not sure there is a 4 cylinder US made diesel in the 2L 
range. 

Mark 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jan 
WarnqvistSent: Thursday, May 18, 2006 12:46 PMTo: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] American 
diesels

Hello everybody in the Americas! I 
have one question for you concerning BD and the cars consuming it. It seems as 
if you all are prefering European cars for fueling BD instead of American 
diesels. Is that true, and in this case why? Arn´t GM:s diesels good for BD 
?

Jan 
Warnqvist
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[Biofuel] WoodGas/Sysgas compressed for vehicle Fuel

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Why 
not compress Woodgas and run it in larger vehicles, buss, trucks and 
such.
The 
vehicles would need to be large enoughto handle the storage tanks. 


Woodgas is about:
CO 22% 

H2 
18%
CH4 
3%
 CO26% 

 N2 51% 

The 
excessive N2 in the gas causesproblem 
withstorage.

So why 
not use a concentrated O2 gasifier (IE: Sysgas generator). Maybe a PSA type O2 
concentrator, to say 85-90% O2. 
This 
would give you about:

CO 37% 

H2 
37%
CH4 
3%
 CO214% 
- Removal by compression liquefying. (900 PSI @ 25C)
 
N29% 

This 
would make the final compressed gas about 95% fuel and 5% 
N2(inert)

Has 
anyone ever heardof this being done ?

Thanks
Mark

Data 
from http://www.woodgas.com/gasification.htm
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Re: [Biofuel] Fw: How To Steal an Election

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

As a way of "Correcting" 
the problems with all types of voting system(paper,punch cards,tally machines 
and such)

Use Triple audit system 
like credit card transactions use. 

In the credit card world 
it goes - Initial transaction (electronic) - paper signature (now going local 
sig capture) - end of day reconciliation(electronic).

 
1) Electronic Voting machine toenter votes and register 
to the first electronic copy of the vote. (Copy #1 Electronic)
 
2) Print out a paper "Ballot" from the Electronic Voting 
machinewith votes registered.(Copy #2 Paper)
 
- Voter can confirm that the votes were recorded correctly
 
- Card would be encoded with a RSA type authentication signature for copy type 
attacks. 
 
- The Voters receipt would have the RSA type authentication signature - thus 
statically voter audits could be performed. 
3)Voter 
feeds thepaper "Ballot"into a OCR vote counter. (Copy #3 
Electronic) 

This system has 2 
electronic copies for initial fraud detection. If designed right the two systems 
would be independent and separate. 
Thus remove the 
possibility of a single inside person hacking the system. 
The paper 
"Ballot"provides a physical ballot for recounts and fraud 
detection.
Final vote tallies would 
require that all three copies match.

Just a idea. 

Mark


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom 
IrwinSent: Friday, March 24, 2006 9:45 AMTo: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: "How To Steal 
an Election"

Hi All,

Although I tend to enbrace technology when it helps, what is the problem 
with giving each person a paper copy of their own vote. Then take this paper 
copy to another location at the voting place to be tabulated against the machine 
count as part of the voting process. This count would be the real count with the 
machine being the preliminary count. Just a thought.

Tom Irwin


  
  From: Evergreen Solutions 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Fri, 24 Mar 2006 13:24:20 
  -0300Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: "How To Steal an Election"
  
  Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the open-source, publicly moderated type 
  systems, however...I'll point out some flaws...First off, the wide 
  reaching level of conspiracy you're suggesting with the idea that "he rigged 
  the vote" would in NO WAY be challenged by any of these mechanisms...the only 
  possible issue would be more people on the payroll...but even then... 
  1. I don't trust my elected type people to look @ the guts of the 
  software in the voting machine, and I sure as HELL don't want it made public 
  for scrutiny. I'm not saying they don't need better protection, as the DeBolt 
  machines were given to "hackers" last year and within about 3 hours they had 
  dialed in and modified information. But...There's WY too many people with 
  WY too much to gain to have source code filed away in some public office. 
  Besides, anyone who understands anything about real hacking will tell you that 
  half the fun is NOT having the source code... 2. "Elected officials 
  have no chip to compare..." Again...none of my legislators would know the 
  difference between an eeprom and a cpu, so...what's the point? A separate 
  leislative/controlling entity to do checks? First off, they already exist, and 
  second offthey're a *cough* publicly funded group, no less susceptible to 
  the degree of conspiracy you're suggesting. Now, furthermore, the "chip" in a 
  vegas slot machine that they're talkng about is the random number generator 
  algorithm stored on an eeprom. All they do is an MD5 footprint to compare that 
  the right algorithm is on the chip...randomly, which is about twice a month 
  per machine. A casino can lose hundreds of thousands of dollars a day from 
  re-chipped machines, so they have more REASON to check, plus there's no random 
  number generator in an election machine. Apples to oranges comparison. 
  3. You don't want to know how many "programmers" have 
  histories. Seriously. I have a friend who was one of those people who, when 
  finally busted, was told "come work for us or go to prison." Now he makes 
  $200,000 a year working for the company who busted him. DeBold and Wells Fargo 
  have invested millions of dollars into the development of these machines. 
  Consider the challenges...they have to be excruciatingly easy to use, very 
  hard to open, extraordinarily easy to maintain, and capable of reporting every 
  single daily interaction, all while maintaining the fun encryption that uses 
  jumping keys in case the data stream gets intercepted. My point is that 
  they've got safeguards in place to monitor the people on the teams...a slot 
  employee can swap an eeprom and never get caught and his friends'll make 
  hundreds of thousands of dollars. What's a programmer going to gain? Well, 
  he'll definately get caught when the review team comes in, he'll get fired, 
  lose his job, lose his entire 

Re: [Biofuel] Fuel Lines for a VW

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Check with the Folks at http://www.tdiclub.com/
They know more about Diesels than most anyone. 


Mark 


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Thomas 
KellySent: Saturday, March 18, 2006 6:52 AMTo: 
biofuelSubject: [Biofuel] Fuel Lines for a VW

Hello to All,
 A friend started using 
BD100 in his VW pickup. It is now "oozing" fuel through the fuel lines. He has 
been unable to find a source for viton fuel lines, but has located a supplier of 
PTFE (a flouropolymer). The marine supplies dealer says PTFE "is virtually inert 
to all chemicals ... organic solvents do not attack PTFE."
 Can these PTFE fuel lines 
be used w. BD? If not, does anyone know a source for viton fuel 
lines?
 
Thanks,
 
Tom
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Re: [Biofuel] hybrid efficiency

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

I don't how anyone can justify a Hybrid over a diesel. 

The financial numbers just don't work. 

My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far)
45 mpg @ City Driving 
55 mpg @ 60 mph 
50 mpg @ 75 mph 

My cost is (City)$2.60/45 = 5.8 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
My cost is (Freeway) $2.60/55 = 4.7 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
Average5.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving)

My neighbors Prius gets
55 mpg @ City Driving 
51 mpg @ 60 mph  

   Cost is (City)$2.35/60 = 3.9 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
   Cost is (Freeway) $2.35/51 = 4.6 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
Average4.25 cents a mile (50/50 driving)
Plus Battery Deprecation  
8 year/100k miles/$7000 
$7000/100K = 7 cents/mile 

Total = 4.25 + 7.00 = 11.25 Cents/Miles 


Converted to French fuel prices and Taxes:
http://www.day-tripper.net/pricespetrol.html
Diesel  = 1.036 euro/Liter 
Petro(95)   = 1.209 euro/Liter 

Converted (1.19E/usd and 3.79 lt/gal)
Diesel =  1.036 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $4.67/gal 
Petro  =  1.209 * 1.19 * 3.79 = $5.45/gal 

My VW TDI gets (243K mile so far)
45 mpg @ City Driving 
55 mpg @ 60 mph 
50 mpg @ 75 mph 

My cost is (City)$4.67/45 = 10.4 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
My cost is (Freeway) $4.67/55 =  8.5 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
Average9.45 cents a mile (50/50 driving)

My neighbors Prius gets
55 mpg @ City Driving 
51 mpg @ 60 mph  

   Cost is (City)$5.45/60 =  9.0 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
   Cost is (Freeway) $5.45/51 = 10.7 cents a mile (not including
normal maintenance)
Average9.85 cents a mile (50/50 driving)
Plus Battery Deprecation  
8 year/100k miles/$7000/19%vat = $8330
$8330/100K = 8.3 cents/mile 

Total = 9.85 + 8.30 = 18.15 Cents/Miles 


In the US and Europe a diesel is about 1/2 the operating cost of a
hybrid. 

Another thing to consider is maintenance/repair and life expectancy. 
My last VW diesel Died a honable death at 476,000 miles. 
My current one is at 243,000 miles and still running strong. 
My guess is if you can get 200K-250K out of a hybrid gas engine you are
doing good. 

Also working on diesel is relatively straight forward. Will have to say
VW has coupled the computer to the engine quite tightly. It make for
interesting trouble shooting when things are not working perfectly. 

Mark 



Andrew Netherton wrote:

I'll bet that research would show a mighty quick return on investment 
if they had done the study based on European fuel costs, and not our 
cheaper-than-bottled-water fuel here in North America.

Andrew Netherton


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Re: [Biofuel] new highly efficient solarpower technology

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

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The 
article stated R10 per peek watt = $1.67 (US) peek watt. 

I does 
not indicate the actual efficiency or the life expectancy. 

Historically thin films suffer from high degradation over time. 

So how 
knows. 

MT 


  
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter 
  MorganSent: Friday, February 17, 2006 1:01 PMTo: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: [Biofuel] new highly efficient 
  solarpower technology
  
  
  Here is a link describing the cost performance and composition of the new 
  solar cells developed by Professor Alberts in Africa.
  
  http://cooltech.iafrica.com/features/508857.htm
  Best Regards,
  Peter
  
  

From: Joe Street [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgTo: 
Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] [solar-ac] 
new highly efficient solarpower technology?Date: Fri, 17 Feb 2006 
15:19:24 -0500
Here is a primer for 
anyone interested in PV technologies that describes how one should approach 
the question in terms of cost and payback period which was written by a 
colleague of mine recently in response to just such a 
question;JoeFirst of all, PV modules are generally 
marked in terms of peak-wattage (Wp). This indicates the maximum wattage 
they can deliver. For example, a 100 Wp solar module means it is capable of 
delivering a maximum of 100W power. If that module costs X dollars, then we 
say the PV cost is X/100 $/Wp.Crystalline silicon based solar 
modules usually come with a 20-25 year guarantee. This means, once 
purchased, they can be operational for this long. (maybe with a very small 
maintenance cost).At present crystalline Si (which dominates  
85% of the PV market) PV modules cost some 5-7 $/Wp.Now the question 
is, what does this mean to a Canadian household?Let me explain this 
through an example:Consider a Canadian household that uses 1000 kWh 
of electricity per month.Take the current electricity cost as 6 
cents/kWh.So for a total period of 20 years, the electricity cost for 
that household is: 20 x 12 x 1000 x 0.06 = $14400(this is of course 
assuming the electricity cost and value of money don't change over 20 
years!)Now let's see the costs if the same household utilizes the PV 
energy (with a 20-year guarantee) for electricity supply:Say, the 
average full sunlight hours per day = 4The peak-wattage of the module = 
W wattsSo the total kWh that can be delivered by this module in 1 month 
= 4 x (W/1000) x 30Since the household needs 1000 kWh/month, we have, 4 
x (W/1000) x 30 = 1000This gives us, W = 8333 Wp.So the household 
has to purchase a 8333 Wp PV module.Taking an average price of 6$/Wp, 
this will cost 6 x 8333 = $49998.This is of course much higher than the 
$14400 we found above.Therefore, the PV cost has to be brought down 
from the current 5 -7 $/Wp.If the PV cost is, say, 1.5 $/Wp, the above 
calculation yields a value of $12500.This value is very competitive to 
the grid electricity cost of $14400.There are two aspects in the 
cost of PV cells: the silicon material cost and the fabrication technology 
cost. RD efforts should be focused on reducing both these costs. For 
photovoltaic devices, the semiconductor material quality doesn't need to be 
as high as in the case of microelectronic industry for IC fabrication. 
Attempts should be made to use moderate quality (and therefore, low cost) 
silicon materials for PV fabrication. However moderate quality silicon 
contains material defects and impurities. Therefore research efforts should 
also be focused on developing affordable techniques for defect passivation 
of the low-cost materials, on new cell designs (i.e., novel device 
structures) that maximize the energy conversion efficiency, and on low-cost 
fabrication technologies for solar cells. By tackling both these issues, 
i.e, material cost-reduction and technology cost-reduction, the PV cost can 
be brought down to competitive values.Michael 
Redler wrote:

  My attitude is a little more forgiving. If all they have to offer is 
  what you mentioned earlier, then I could not have repeated your sentiments 
  any better. But first, I want to see the numbers.
  
  MikeZeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:
  Well, while I would like to 
to find out more about the alloy solar cells, the rest of the marketing 
is a bit disengenous. Grid tied PV systems that can provide all of a 
homes power and interface directly with the existing wiring have been 
around for at least 5 or 10 years, and the PV to provide the power has 
been around for 25 years. Get with the times people. It's 
like trying to sell a new model of car, and touting the fact that it has 

Re: [Biofuel] atkins

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Title: Message



So I 
lost 56lb in 120 days on "Hard Core" Atkins. IE: 50grams or less carbs a day. 

And 3 
years now on "non-hard core" Atkins, have gained back only 10lbs in that 
time.
I 
hadblood work before I started and 6months after I was on the 
diet.
Cholesterol dropped from 166 to 144
Heart 
rate from high 70's to mid 60's 
For me 
it has worked great and my doctor is happy with the results. 


Mark 




  
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  From: 
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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris 
  lloydSent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:00 AMTo: 
  Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] 
  atkins
   Either way, I'm not a candidate for the Atkins diet simply because 
  of my cholesterol level.. 
  
  No problem, there was a scientific study done on 
  the Atkins diet in the UK early this year, weight, blood pressure and 
  cholesterol tested every day and food consumption monitored. It seems people 
  on that diet just do not eat as many calories as people eating carbs. They 
  even had the test subjects locked in an air chamber monitoring the amount of 
  waste gas being produced to work out energy lost in gas production and oily 
  stools. But they did not expect the lower cholesterol levels and could not 
  explain how the dropped. They thought that fresh cooked meat was better for 
  you thanprocessed and the oil used in cooking should only be used once 
  and then dumped. Chris.
  
  
  Wessex Ferret Club www.wessexferretclub.co.uk
  
  
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Re: [Biofuel] US army plans to bulk-buy anthrax

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

The reality is if the DOD wanted to cover it up it be a Black Op and
the components would be purchased under 50 different departments and the
CDC would be buying all the controversial stuff. 

Remember the F-117 and B2 were build by 10's of thousands of people,
costing 10's of billions, and not one significant leak.  

Mark 

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Yes, there are legitimate and good purposes to all of their plans. 
But based on history I think we can trust the US DOD to ignore the uses
you have pointed out which could save lives, and focus on killing
people.

On 9/27/05, John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Keith Addison posted an article which said:
  Although the Sterne strain is not thought to be harmful to humans 
  and is used for vaccination, the contracts have caused major 
  concern.

 So the ability to grow this a non-lethal strain to make a vaccine that

 could save thousands or tens of thousands of lives is a bad thing?

  for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation in Washington DC. If one can

  grow the Sterne strain in these units, one could also grow the Ames 
  strain, which is quite lethal.

 Yes. And a knife can be used to cut up veggies for dinner or it could 
 be used to stab someone. A car can take you to work or mow down a car 
 full of pedestrians. An Xray machine can find your cavities or deliver

 a lethal dose. We're talking about a tool here, nothing more. Tools 
 may enable good or bad acts but they are not inherently good or bad.

 More suscintly, Could is a long way from will.

  The US renounced biological weapons in 1969, but small quantities of

  lethal anthrax were still being produced at Dugway as recently as 
  1998.

 Sorta hard to do research on vaccines, decontamination, and 
 countermeasures without samples.

 Flu researchers keep samples of the 1918 strain around. My wife's old 
 lab kept samples of listeria moncytogenes and e.coli 0157:H7 around. I

 worked in a lab where we grew a freshwater algae that produced the 
 nerve toxin saxitoxin. It means nothing. Keeping and growing dangerous

 strains of pathogens is utterly unremarkable behavior for a research 
 lab.

  It is not known what use the biological agents will be put to. They 
  could be used to test procedures to decontaminate vehicles or 
  buildings, or to test an agent defeat warhead designed to destroy 
  stores of chemical and biological weapons.

 The post office sorting facility that was contaminated with anthrax in

 2001 is ten miles from my house. Most of my mail probably goes through

 that facility. Personally, I *want* the government doing research on 
 the best way to decontaminate buildings. This is a good thing.

  There are even fears that they could be used to determine how 
  effectively anthrax is dispersed when released from bombs or 
  crop-spraying aircraft. I can definitely see them testing 
  biological weapons delivery systems for threat assessment, says 
  Hammond.

 Seems to me like a good understanding of delivery systems could save 
 plenty of lives in a crisis. If midtown Manhattan got hit with 
 anthrax, should you evacuate 5 blocks or 50? Does it matter how the 
 anthrax was delivered? Good understanding these issues could save lots

 of lives.

 Anyway, as you might have guessed by now, I think this is non-story 
 that is using emotion to drum up concern over something that isn't a 
 big deal. Such emotion, energy and outrage should be saved for 
 pressing issues that actually matter.

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Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proofof globalwarming

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

You are combining the Carbon the Fuel with O2 from the air. 

1C(12) + 2 O(16) = C02(44) 
3.66 Times as much C02 out as carbon in.


Mark 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ray J
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globalwarming


how in the hell can you put 1 pound of  something in and get 3 pounds of

something  out... everything i have ever been taught says thats not 
possible 

 never mind... I dont even want to know... this is obviously wy 
over my head...  thanks a lot, now my brain hurts. :-( :-(


Ray J   


Zeke Yewdall wrote:

For heavy fuels of indeterminate chemical composition, I usually use 
2.5 to 3 for a rule of thumb for lbs of CO2 produced for each lb of 
fuel consumed.  I was actually suprised that this example was about the

same weight of CO2 as fuel.


  

But very roughly put and depending on the efficiency of combustion, 
it's not too difficult to see that one pound of a specific type of 
fuel going into a turbine or engine (a long carbon chain) can turn 
into two or three plus pounds of CO2 coming out.

Todd Swearingen
  


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Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof ofglobalwarming

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

So again the BBC presents information for shock value, without putting
it in perspective.  

Looking at a Boeing 777-200LR the fuel consumption is:
Fuel consumption in 800 miles is about 24,000lb of fuel 
300Lb/Fuel/Seat/3000 Miles. (Boeing spec)
That is 10 miles/pound/seat of fuel
Or 68 mile/gallon/seat. 

Compare that to your average car you don't even get close. 

Mark


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ofglobalwarming


Just seen this on our BBC TV channel  every 800 miles travelled by a
jumbo 
jet dumps 28 tons of CO2 into the atmosphere.  Chris


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[Biofuel] Smallscale Methanol Prduction from Wood Gas

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Hi All

I'm looking for information in small scale methanol production from wood
Gas/synth gas. 

I have looked at a bunch of Plant level information. I kind of
understand the chemistry. 
But operating a system at the pressures that are used in commercial
production is bit impractical. 
Operation up to 10Bar/1Mp/150psi are achievable. 

I have found a little info on small-scale, but no details on catalyst
reactions and practical designs. 

There is lots of good info on wood gas production and designs. 
Does anyone know of any information on wood gas generators that are
designed to run on concentrated O2 rather than AIR. 
I was thinking if the excess Nitrogen could be eliminated from the wood
gas the compression and catalysizing to methanol would be much simpler. 
I have a surplus zyolite based O2 generator (90%-95% 5 cfm ) that could
be used. 

Thanks
Mark 

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RE: [Biofuel] Phenolphthalein solution

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Hi all 

I got 16oz of 1% (95% Isopropyl) for $16 here in California. 
This is probability 100X more than I could ever use. 

I would happy give 1/2 it to Needy people if they can cover the cost
of shipping and bottling. 

I don't know if I can mail Isopropyl through the US postal system. 

Does anyone know what the USPS policy/rules is regarding Isopropyl
(flammable liquids) ?
I assume there is exception for small qty's, say under 1oz. 

Mark 


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Greetings,
I'm collecting the various tools to perform a titration of WVO and see
there are several types of phenolphthalein solutions available.  Is
there a certain solution that works better than others? Should I get the
most economical? Thanks in advance for your help, Pete

Some options for purchase at sciencelab.com:

-Phenolphthalein Indicator, 0.08% Solution in Methanol ($48.48/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein Indicator, 0.5% Solution in 50% Isopropanol ($53.48/L)

-Phenolphthalein Indicator, 2% Solution in 95% Ethanol ($114.84/L)

-Phenolphthalein Indicator, 3% Solution in 95% Alcohol ($119.76/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein TS ($37.09/500 ml)

-Phenolphthalein, 0.5% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 50% Alcohol
($58.48/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein, 0.5% (w/v) Solution in Ethyl Alcohol ($117.00/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein, 1% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 70% Alcohol
($69.24/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein, 1% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 95% Isopropyl Alcohol
($107.84/500ml)

-Phenolphthalein, Powder, Reagent, ACS ($48.24/25g)




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RE: [Biofuel] Propane - ABio fuel?

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Natural Gas = methane + Odorant;
Bio methane just methane + some CO2 and impurities from the
decomposition process. 
So any NG appliance will run on Bio Decomposed methane.

Its just that is very difficult to liquefy NG (-200C like temps).

M


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As I understand it, methane (which can be produced from rotting 
waste) can be burned in most propane appliances with the appropriate 
slight modifications.

Is propane a Bio fuel, can it be created from bio sources?

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RE: [Biofuel] Anybody have a vw engine (pre electronic injectorcontrol)

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

I was just at Pick-N-Pull auto wreckers last weekend and saw at least
4 Diesel Rabbits. (California)
I think they get around $100 for a complete engine, and another $50 for
the trany. 
If you watch they have 50% off days every few months. 
I don't check the mileage, but if they follow my Rabbits life cycle the
car died at around 200K (body, suspension...etc).  
But the engines last for 300K-400K. 
I pulled the engine, from mine, and swapped it in to an old gas powered
water pump. 
Only problem we had was the RPM's of gas pump was higher than the VW
engine likes. 3600RPM's

Just a thought 
Mark 

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Ebay, or google rebuilt diesel...

David L Wood wrote:

how about a 1981 VW already removed from vehicle. I had to scrap the 
car.

David



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RE: [Biofuel] Taking to the Wind

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

What about the birds. 

Here in California we the enviro-groups suing the wind power generators for 
killing Ten's of thousands birds in the Altamont Pass area. 

Kinda hard to have it both ways. 

M 




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The Institute of Science in Society

Science Society Sustainability
http://www.i-sis.org.uk

ISIS Press Release 12/07/05

Taking to the Wind

Peter Bunyard looks at the realities of wind power and answers its detractors

Peter Bunyard will be speaking at 
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/SWCFA.phpSustainable World Conference, 
14-15 July 2005.

References for this article are posted on 
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/full/TTTWFull.phpISIS members' website. 
Details http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.phphere

Wind power working

Ian Fells, professor of Energy Conversion at Newcastle University, 
told BBC's Radio 4 Today programme back in December 2002 that if we 
wanted electricity on tap, while simultaneously meeting our Kyoto 
Protocol commitments to reduce carbon dioxide emissions, we would 
fail abysmally unless we replaced and even added to our nuclear power 
capacity (25 per cent of UK electricity generation in 2005). 
Renewable energy sources, such as wind-power, he insisted, would be 
marginal to needs and barely worth the cost of developing [1].

Ian Fells' remarks contrasted with the experience of one of Denmark's 
energy experts who, during the same December 2002 Radio 4 programme, 
pointed out how successful his country's strategy had been in 
developing an electricity supply industry (in which wind-power 
provides nearly 20 per cent of the total in 2005). It had been good 
for jobs, good for exports and good for Denmark's energy needs, with 
the industry employing 16 000 and annual sales of wind turbines 
reaching more than 2 GW, equal to two large nuclear power plants.

Peter Edwards, ex-chairman of the British Wind Energy Society 
developed the first British wind-farm at Delabole in Cornwall 14 
years ago in response to the threat of a nuclear power station being 
built nearby. Initially the economics did not look good, at least in 
the context of the UK, and Edwards all but abandoned the idea. But 
then, in 1991, the government simultaneously introduced the fossil 
fuel levy on fossil fuel generating plants and the non-fossil fuel 
obligation (NFFO) to support at least 20 per cent electricity 
production from non-fossil fuel sources.

At the time, nuclear power was generating 20 per cent of the Central 
Electricity Generating Board's production, and with privatisation in 
the offing, the NFFO was little more than a straight subsidy to 
sweeten up the City in time for a sale. Nonetheless, the subsidy did 
open up the possibility of investing in the alternatives, such as 
wind. In 1990, the fossil fuel levy amounted to £900 million, much of 
which went into the pockets of the nuclear industry.

As Edwards told me in 2001, ten years on from establishing his 
ten-turbine wind-farm, performance has been better than predicted. 
We now have 10 years of records carefully analysed by ETSU (Energy 
Technology Study Unit) at Harwell, as well as by the DTI, and have 
discovered benefits from wind generation that we barely suspected. 
People are quick to say that the wind is fickle and that it fails 
just when you most need it, but such critics have also failed to 
understand that when we most need the energy, that's when the wind 
blows. In our part of the UK, 60 percent of annual generation is 
between October and March. Consequently, wind generation and demand 
go together; in winter when the wind blows, the chill factor goes up 
and so does the need for electricity; in summer just when everyone is 
returning home for their tea in the early evening that's when the 
onshore winds obligingly come into play.

It took just a few months to get the Vesta 400 kilowatt turbines up 
and running. Moreover, each of the machines had been sited in 
hedgerows across the farm, with minimal loss of land, and since they 
were all plugged into the local Delabole 11 000 volt substation, they 
instantly provided power to the neighbourhood and hence avoided the 
substantial distribution losses that go with distantly connected 
power stations.

Such embedded generation immediately improves the quality of 
supply, Peter Edwards said, evening out those fluctuations that 
have been a curse of electricity supply throughout Cornwall, not 
least because the bulk of our electricity comes from the Hinkley 
Point nuclear power station, more than 150 miles away. It's rather 
like a blood transfusion into an extremity where bleeding is 
occurring: you balance out the loss and consequently the local 
voltage is now much more stable. Cornwall now has six wind-farms, 
enough to supply some 27 000 households, and whether locals know it 
or 

RE: [Biofuel] Hybrid Diesel

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Yes but there is the issue of Battery life and cost. 
The batteries are warranted for 8-10 year or 80K/100K miles. 
Prorated - Who knows. 
There cost is in the $7000 bracket. 

So lets see, My Toyota Camry 1985 has 321K miles no rebuilds. 
I will admit it is near death. 
It get 27 odd MPG. 31 on the freeway.
I will make the assumption that maintained cost are about equal for both
cars.  
Assume the same time period and fuel prices. 

So my cost of ownership is (Toyota Camry)
Fuel consumed = 321,000/27 = 11888 gallons.
Fuel cost avg $1.50 
Total fuel cost = $17,833 
Cost per/year = $17,833/20years = $891 fuel costs. 
Battery cost $0
total  = $891/year   

So my cost of ownership is (VW Jetta)
Fuel consumed = 321,000/47 = 6829 gallons.
Fuel cost avg $1.50 
Total fuel cost = $10,244 
Cost per/year = $10,244/20years = $512 fuel costs. 
Battery cost $0
total  = $512/year   

As a Honda with a 80K/$7000 battery 2005 Honda Accord
mileage 30/37 = avg around 35 mpg

Fuel consumed = 321,000/35 = 9171 gallons.
Fuel cost avg $1.50 
Total fuel cost = $13,757   

Total batteries used @ 80k mile/bat  = 321/80 = 4.012 = 4 
4 x 7000 = $28,000

Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $687  fuel costs. 
Cost per/year = $28,000/20years = $1400 Battery costs.  
total  = $2100/year  @ 80K battery 

Assume a 150K battery = 2 changes = $14,000
Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $687  fuel costs. 
Cost per/year = $14,000/20years = $700 Battery costs.   
total  = $1387/year  @ 80K battery 

As a Honda with a 100K/$7000 battery Insight
mileage 60/66 = avg around 63 mpg

Fuel consumed = 321,000/35 = 5095 gallons.
Fuel cost avg $1.50 
Total fuel cost = $7,642

Total batteries used @ 100k mile/bat  = 321/100 = 3.21 = 3 
3 x 7000 = $21,000

Cost per/year = $7,642/20years  = $328  fuel costs. 
Cost per/year = $21,000/20years = $1050 Battery costs.  
total  = $1378/year  @ 100K battery 

Assume a 150K battery = 2 changes = $14,000
Cost per/year = $13,757/20years = $328  fuel costs. 
Cost per/year = $14,000/20years = $700 Battery costs.   
total  = $1028/year  @ 150K battery 


Conclusion:
Toyota Camry 27mph  $891/year
Honda Accord$2100/year  @ 80K battery   135%
higher  
Honda Accord$1387/year  @ 150K battery   56%
higher
Honda Insight   $1387/year  @ 100K battery   56%
higher  
Honda Insight   $1024/year  @ 150K battery   14%
higher  

VW Jetta$512/Year   
Honda Accord$2100/year  @ 80K battery   310%
higher  
Honda Accord$1387/year  @ 150K battery  170%
higher
Honda Insight   $1387/year  @ 100K battery  170%
higher  
Honda Insight   $1024/year  @ 150K battery  100%
higher  

So I see not cost benefit to Hybrids, my poor Camry is less
expensive. 

And what about life expectancy. My last Diesel Rabbit was
retired at 450,000 miles. No rebuilds. 

When gas get to $4+ a gallon then there could be a net advantage
to the hybrids, if the engine systems can last 20+ years. 
But still will not compeate with the diesels.   

Sorry the calculations do not include CO2 carbon credits.

Just random thoughts. 
M 



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Mean while the Japanese figured out how to make hybrids at a prices to
sell 
to the American public. Seems there is a line waiting for the hybrids
now 
because of the souring gas prices. Again the big three are slow to
answer to 
the American public and their sinking sales prove once again they don't
have 
a clue.

Bill

From: RobT [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 09:47:50 -0400

I worked on the Ford P2000 DIATA diesel hybrid for a few years in the 
late 90's, as a engine control systems engineer.

It was a research vehicle, part of the PNGV initiative.  A pretty cool 
and functional hybrid -- a large 4-door car (larger inside than a 
Taurus) with reasonable power.  I got around 60-70 mpg in real-world 
driving, a bit higher on the EPA test cycles.

The engine and hybrid system were all pretty close to currently 
in-production stuff, with the exception of batteries and exhaust 
aftertreatment.  The cost of the vehicle, though, was way high, much to

high for a 

RE: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

There are long term issues with PV's. They will loose efficiency over
time. 
The PV's I have worked with, in the past, had an efficiency loss of
33%-50% in ten years. 
This value is dependant on temperature. The hotter they operate the
faster they degrade. 
Another main cause of failure was water intrusion to the interior of the
panel. 
These were on remote weather monitoring stations. Normally operated in
cold climates.


Mark 


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I can neither confirm or deny ... sounds familiar :)

Generally, in the estimations I have made, and this would be for a home 
off-grid, the payback would be on the order of 15-20 years. Not cost 
effective in the short term, but certainly over the long term. Not to 
mention environmental benefits of one less dwelling needing fossil 
fueled electricity.

Now that was based on a 2200 sq. ft. home in Arizona when I lived there.

You can imagine what that estimate would be where I'm now at, Seattle
area.

Check out http://www.homepower.com for more sustainable energy ideas. 
I'm a subscriber to the magazine and trying to get some biodiesel
started.

pete


Michael Redler wrote:
 I've been researching the cost of solar power and whether or not it's
 cost effective to use a solar tracking device. There are not a lot of 
 manufacturers of solar trackers. However, some of the calculations
I've 
 done would indicate that if the price were kept low enough, it would 
 lower your total price for solar electricity.
 
 Here is an example that I've been using based on a tracker that can
 accommodate a 1sq meter panel. I arbitrarily picked a cost of $1000.00

 for my first iteration:
  
 $5.00 per watt x 1000 watts = $5000,00 per square meter 
 (approximately)
 for PV panels. If I found a tracker which will hold a 1m sq panel for 
 $1000.00 and I get a 30% panel output increase, (that's $5000.00 x .30
= 
 $1500.00 worth of PV power for a $1000 investment) I think I would
come 
 out ahead.
  
 Results:
 Total cost for 1000 watts (without tracker) = $5000.00 or $5.00 per 
 watt Total cost for 1300 watts (with tracker) = $6000.00 or $4.62 per 
 watt The cost of the power gained from using a tracker = $1000.00/300 
 watts = $3.33 per watt
 
 I think this may be relevant to those biofuelers who would prefer to
 process their fuel in a location where power from the grid or their 
 homes may not be as convenient as a more autonomous source, using PV.
 
 Even if the speculation is true and we see a reduction in PV power 
 cost
 (projected $2.00 per watt), These cost calculations would still be 
 fairly reasonable when one has limited space.
 
 Can anyone confirm or correct these calculations?
 
 Mike
 
 
 
 References:
 
 The 1000 watts is based on the estimated solar power radiated onto the
 Earth's surface per square meter.
 
 http://physics.mtsu.edu/~klumpe/astr1030/lectures/Chapter%2009.pdf#sea
 rch='1000%20Watts%20per%20square%20meter%20sun' page
 1
 
 The price per Watt for PV panels is based on:
 
 http://www.solarbuzz.com/ModulePrices.htm
 
 30% is an estimated average increase in power output from a comparison
 between panels in a fixed position (30 degrees incline) and panels 
 mounted to a tracker. 
 
 http://www.wattsun.com/resources.html
 
 
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RE: [Biofuel] Set up help

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Hi Luke 

You should be able to run the generator directly off the Waste Oil
(Veggie). 
It has been done in cars for years. 
The things you need to do are:
1)  Filter the oil (10 microns or less) 
2)  Per heat the oil to 150+ degrees F before entering the
injector pump. 
This is normally done with waste heat from the engine.
Easy to do on a water cooled engine.  
3)  Start and Stop the generator on Diesel. (5-10min
shutdown cycle)
4)  If it is really cold you may need to heat the oil tank
to get the oil to flow/pump. 
The Veggie oil will solidify at low temperatures,
especially if there are animal fats mixed in. (IE: deep fryer waist)

If you want to switch over faster when you start, then a electric
preheat may be in order. 

Here are a few links to car conversions. 
http://www.greasel.com
http://www.greasecar.com

Have fun
Mark


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Hello out there in biofuel land!

I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source
is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be
precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted
propane generator.  We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it
reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds).  Every week I go into Missoula (I am
an accountant) and work at a restaurant.  The restaurant pays $25 per
month to get rid of their used waste oil.  I could very easily pick up
waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back
to make biodiesel for my generator.  My concerns are fuel quality so I
don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house
break-ins last fall).  I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month
in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct
sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the
summer.  What will my startup costs be?  How much space will I need, for
production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production
once it is set up? 

I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator
and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the
biodisel.

Can someone point me in the right direction?

Luke
From the wild hills of Montana
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[Biofuel] hybrid Ethanol/Diesel - How high Ethanol/Diesel ratio can be used with an unmodifyed engine ?

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Hi All

I was looking at the feasibility of adding a hybrid Ethanol injection
system to 
An old Diesel VW rabbit. 

Does anyone know how much Ethanol added to an unmodified Diesel engine
and run properly ?

I was considering a CSI injection system into the manifold just before
the intake valves.
These are readily available at the auto Wreakers and easily
controllable. 
I can lower the compression ratio a bit if it would allow higher
Ethanol/Diesel ratios but run on pure Diesel. 

The thought was to have the engine run on Diesel at start and idle then
increase the 
Ethanol/Diesel mixture when the RPMs and power is high. 

Thanks
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RE: [Biofuel] Bad news for Diesel driver

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

This is done on small 4 stroke RC engines all the time. 
The problem is lubricating the rotary valve and controlling leakage.
RC's use lots of lube in the fuel to deal with this issue.  
Also standard valve has the advantage of self-sealing on compression. 
Not so with a rotary valve. 

There is always the 2 stroke Diesel if you need minimal head/valve
displacement
But you need a forced air supply (IE: turbo/blower) to get the air in
the engine. 

MT

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The proportion of displaceable space (where the piston travels) to
non-displaceable (everywhere else) has to be very high (20:1 or maybe
: 22:1) to get this compression. That doesn't leave much of a: 
possibility
to play with.
(Reply)

Why does the valve have to go up and down. at all? Why, instead of going
up and down, it turns. The cam hits an arm at right angles to the stem
causing the valve stem to rotate. On the other end is a patical dish
with the valve at the end of the dish. The valve is poped down and moved
side ways. When the cam lob clears the arm, the valve is returned and
poped back into place. I don't think the engineers did a whole lot of
thinking about ways to replace  the intergated engine. Yours truly
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. After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone.



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RE: [Biofuel] Methane to LPG car

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Nope 

To liquefy methane you need to take below -200K Degrees. 
Its called LNG.
Methane is Natural Gas. You need to compress it to around 3000Psi
To get effective storage in a car/truck/bus. Depended on driving
distance. 

MT



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I think there has to be more than meets the eye on such a conversion.
Propane is stored a liquid and I assume methane is as well.  Can the
propane tanks withstand the pressure required to liquefy methane?
Propane contains more energy than methane, will you realize a net
savings?  In any event I would guess you would have to adjust  the
fuel/air metering. Doug
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: I have an old petrol car (75 mercedes 230.4) converted to LPG
recently.
: But In the last few months the price of LPG has started to rise. I am
: wondering if it is possible to use methane instead of LPG?
:
: I have a fridge compressor that I can compress the methane in to
tanks,
: the could I just connect the tank instead of the LPG tank?
:
: Could somebody tell me if this is doable with ease or would I need to
: further convert the engine.
:
: Thanks
: Teoman
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RE: [Biofuel] Anyone read about Nanosolar yet?

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

So solar power at the surface is 750-1000 Watt/Sq_Meter. 
Conventional Solar cells run typical 10-15% efficient. 
Nanosolar does not actually state the efficiency (not that I found). 

That makes the panel about 3.048 x 4.26 = 12.98 Sq_Meters

12.98 * 1000 * .15 = 1947 Watts Max
12.98 * 750  * .10 = 973  Watts More typical 

Mark 



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I had a look at their site but didn't see any power/area references 
(didn't look hard enough I suppose). It could be 120W/square foot which 
is more feasible ( that would bring the cost to about $17k). That 
reminds me of a project I worked on once where the owner claimed a 
vehicle could travel at 85mph (probably closer to 85kph) and had a 6 
foot turning radius (more like 6 metre radius). God bless
standardisation!!!

As for the Manhattan Project - you'd probably have to look at how the 
military can use this technology for destruction instead of saving our 
planet and that might indicate why its sponsoring the project. Either 
way lets hope the scientists can make it happen.

As for the terminology (deploying, utility blah, blah) this 
terminology is being used by marketeers world-wide at the moment - 
probably a throw back from Iraq war and marketing gurus wanting to sound

sexy/chunky.

Stelios Terzakis wrote:

Fascinating. It's amazing what spins off from military research in 
silicon valley. It has been said that we need a Manhattan Project for

alternative energy; mayabe this is the beginning of it?


Interesting to read about the company on their website and see their 
ties to the nuclear and petroleum industries (Sandia Lab, Shell and 
Arco) and their use of military jargon (deploying solar electricity 
generation at utility scale). Their focus is strangely on getting high

profile investors and making a product that is profitable and 
scalable, whatever that is, rather than altruistically stepping up to

find a badly needed solution to the huge problem we find ourselves in 
now, namely what to do without petroleum. I am glad they are moving in 
the right direction. This might be another one to watch out for the 
bankruptcy notices.

I forgot to mention that the Articles page on the Nanosolar site 
includes a blurb directly tying Nanosolar with the military: U.S. 
Senator Boxer on DARPA funding Nanosolar: This grant is exciting 
because it promises new technology to address our energy needs and 
because it again demonstrates the strength of the Bay Area's innovative

private sector partnered with its world-class universities and research

facilities. DARPA stands for Defense Advanced Research Projects 
Agency, that is, it's the US Military. So this will be yet another 
thing the military can claim it needs increased funding for.


ok,


Mark
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http://www.nanosolar.com/products.htm

The flagship product, Nanosolar SolarPly, is a 14 feet x 10 feet solar

electricity module delivering 120 watts per square inch at 110V. The 
company is now offering solar panels at below $1 per peak watt.

Almost sounds too good to be true compared to traditional solar 
voltaic panels.


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RE: [Biofuel] Anyone read about Nanosolar yet?

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Try again on the wattage rating. 
120/sq_in is a bit high.

Mark
 

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http://www.nanosolar.com/products.htm

The flagship product, Nanosolar SolarPly, is a 14 feet x 10 feet solar 
electricity module delivering 120 watts per square inch at 110V. The 
company is now offering solar panels at below $1 per peak watt.

Almost sounds too good to be true compared to traditional solar voltaic 
panels.


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[Biofuel] Running out of Oil -- Was End of Suburbia

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

This got me thinking - how much oil do we have left ?

Consumption/Resources source 2003.
http://www.marktaw.com/culture_and_media/politics/GlobalOil.html


Consumption Numbers:
USA = 25% of oil in the world
USA = 19,650,000 BBL a day 
World = 4 X 19,650,000 = 78,600,000 A day 
World = 28,689,000,000 Per/Year 

Oil Reserves:
Saudi = 25% or world reserves 
Saudi = 261,700,000,000 BBL
World = 4 X 261,700,000,000 = 1,046,800,000,000 BBL

Supply in years @ current consumption 
1,046,800,000,000 / 28,689,000,000 = 36.4 Years

Convert to BTUs for comparison to Methane reserves. 

6.2 Million BTU/BBL
6.49016E+18 BTU Reserves in Oil 
177,871,800,000,000,000 BTU/Year in Oil consumption. 


Now what is available in Methane/Natural Gas reserves. 
http://www.futurepundit.com/archives/001841.html

Stated as 400 million Trillion Cubic Feet. 
4E+20 Cubic Feet of Methane in Hydrate form . 
850 Btu/CF 
3.4E+23 BTU Reserves. 

Total Methane BTU   reserves/ Year usage = years supply 
3.4E+23 / 177,871,800,000,000,000  = 1,911,489 Years (At current
usage) 

This assumes that all 100% of the Methane can be extracted. 

Assume only 1% can be 

1,911,489 Years /100 = 19,114 Years. 

So it look like in the next 15-20 years the world is going to have to
convert to 
the Methane economy.  Doesn't this sound like Mad Max Thunder Dome,
Minus the pigs of course. 

Hopefully I have not made error in the math. 


Mark 





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RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of crap/junk science

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Sorry Mike

Actually most CO2 emissions come from Decomposing Plant material. 

It is amazing what pointing out simple Off subject issues in a post
will do. 

Cheers
Mark 


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Hi Mark,
 
You said: Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science
 
...tell ya what Mark -- Since most of the emissions from our
civilization comes from the burning of fossil fuels, here's a little
experiment you can do at home.
 
1.) Get yourself a chain saw and bring it with you into your bathroom
2.) Close the door
3.) Start the chain saw and report the air quality every five minutes or
until you pass out (whatever happens first). You might want to do this
while a friend is in the next room. Safety first!
4.) As a side experiment, please do your best to run the engine dry so
that it stimulates the brain to ask two questions:
 
a.) where is my next fill up going to come from?.
b.) If I perform this experiment again, is there an alternative fuel
that will make my bathroom stink less and keep me from passing out so
soon? 
 
If you decide to perform any experiments like this one, please get back
to us with your results as soon as possible because I'm sure that
everyone at JTF is anxious to know if fossil fuels really harm the
environment and if those holes in the ground are really bottomless.
 
** not responsible for lost limbs or other injuries that occur during
this experiment **
 
Mike

Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John Wilson wrote:

Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the government in power to 
syphon from the tax payer billions of dollars for their friends and has

very little to do with global warming. It also helps those countries 
that do not have a

Etc etc, while Mark L. Thompson wrote:

Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science. Simulations that can't even 
predict better than random number generators. Hockey stick temperature 
graphs that the author will not even provide source data or equations 
for. Stratospherically temperatures that are running opposite to GW 
models.

Kyoto is going to be economic suicide and I predict that most of Europe

is going to figure it out and

... etc etc, and Duane Shaw wrote:

Bravo Mark!

And, no doubt, so on... Only in America! LOL!

Opinions bought, funded and paid for by guess who??? Not exactly 
news... please see (along with further archives and other refs 
therein):

http://wwia.org/pipermail/biofuel/Week-of-Mon-20050124/005269.html
[Biofuel] Oil firms fund climate change 'denial'

What a surprise!

But, as Bob Allen notes: It is impossible to reason someone out of 
something that they did not reason themselves into in the first 
place. Jonathan Swift.

Yea, verily. Maybe a bit of mockery instead?

Best wishes

Keith

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RE: [Biofuel] Kyoto- nothing but a buch of

[Thompson, Mark L. (PNB RD)]

Aren't you stretching the reality of Kyoto a bit.

What does Kyoto have to do with:
1) Housing 
2) congestion 
3) bad urban planning   
4) poverty rate
5) water polluted

Kyoto is based on mostly Junk Science. Simulations that can't even
predict better than random number generators. 
Hockey stick temperature graphs that the author will not even provide
source data or equations for. 
Stratospherically temperatures that are running opposite to GW models. 

Kyoto is going to be economic suicide and I predict that most of Europe
is going to figure it out and 
run as fast as they can. I give it 3-5 years then UK and Russia are
going to jump ship. 

It also will not effect the US since we never signed the treaty. 

Just Random thoughts. 
Mark 




Re: Kyoto is nothing more than a means for the
government in power to syphon from the tax payer
billions of dollars for their friends and has very
little  to do with global warming. It also helps those countries that do
not have a  supply of fossil to gain a competitive edge.

I understand your feelings. However, in my San Joaquin
Valley basin the worsening air pollution are now
making my regional area LESS competitive. Housing is
relatively inexpensive compared to Bay area and LA,
yes, but the resulting congestion and bad urban
planning is contributing to increase PM, Ozone, and
extreme air pollution warnins.  It was not always this
way.  My once former beautiful San Joaquin Valley
Basin is now the most air polluted and soon the most
water polluted basin in the United States and has the
third or fourth highest poverty rate and some of the
highest drug rates in the nation. One reason why I
moved to the Bay Area but still volunteer my time in
San Joaquin Valley.
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