Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 129
so the 1s and 0s fuse to become. . .what, imaginary numbers? well, no wonder then! if only i could tap into the magical power of my imaginary friends;surely that'd resolveall the technical barriers my perpetual motion machine keeps running into. cheers, -chris b. mike weaver wrote: Uh, Keith, hate to step in here but it works by "binary fusion" not "fission." You're going to givepeople the wrong idea.Also, where's my link?It works by "'binary fission' with additional vigour, by maximising combustion efficiency". Sounds great, think I'll buy some. Dammit, where's my wallet? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Dear Bob Allen was Re: There's no proof of global warming
well said, joe. this is the imo tragicdepth we have reached. not that this precludes the possibility of diabolical plans, however. the big wankers that run things are inflicting diabolical plans on us all the time (the existing status quo is itself a diabolical plan if there ever was one). regards, -chris b. Joe Street wrote: Besides it is hard to really call it a conspiracy when the entire organizational system of our society works to support and serve the interests of those at the top of the food chain. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] engine swapping /was Debatable statement?
bob, be sure to check into this if you haven't already. illinois law, as in most states if i'm not mistaken, only exempts older vehicles if they are driven less than a set number of miles annually (in illinois, 5000 m/year). -chris b. Zeke Yewdall wrote: Being a 1979, you are probably exempt from any emissions testing. . . . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Morality Question
i'd have to go for the high-contrast color. you can always digitize it later and convert to grey-scale. -chris b. In a message dated 9/17/05 6:17:17 PM, dougwrites: We did? Looks like my vote got ignored yet again. I'd choose the black and white, color film leaves nothing for the imagination... ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fuel can be made from dead cats
anybody ever see the episode of the odd couple where felix gives a frog hydrotherapy by putting its injured leg (it had supposedly sprained an ankle or something) in a blender full of warm water? aah, good times. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 9/16/05 9:42:44 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://www.thehumorarchives.com/humor/457.html Frog in a blender Todd is entirely to blame for this (but he says you can use a canoe paddle instead). Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down the Breeze)
well, if you're anything like me you probably won't be too excited by the prospect, but a "cheater's method" involves chilling the bottles to near freezing before final bottling. the cold temp allows the gas to remain in solution while you transfer the wine to fresh bottles (to which you can add yeast inhibitor if so inclined). Chris lloyd wrote: They sure do go off with a bang, I've lost gallons over the last 30 years due to getting the fermentation wrong when making sparkling Perry. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down the Breeze)
chris l., i assure you i was not mistaken. wiring down the cork is no guarantee. even if it holds the cork, the bottle itself might explode. sparkling wines can be made by a number of methods. the more refined of which rely either upon very precise control of sugar content (so that at final bottling just enough remains to fuel a secondary fermentation that ends before pressure becomes too great), or an inocculation of sugar/syrup (after fermentation has ceased and all yeast has settled and been racked out) which the enzynes remaining in suspension will convert to alcohol and co2. cheers, -chris b. In a message dated 9/10/05 5:46:32 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Chris lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make sure that all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. That cannot be right as to do so would leave you with flat champagne, you need the secondary fermentation to make any wine/beer fizzy. Champagne bottles have their corks wired on anyway. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bush: What didn't go right?
the answer to that question goes all the way back to a certain dec. 12, 2000 supreme court decision. . . . -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
my first post was written in the context of the two commentary pieces which had been posted. the first being the very insightful piece about the racial aspects of news coverage. the second, the piece which gave title to this thread. -chris b. taryn wrote: Hi all,Ok, I think I've finally caught up here.Chris, in your first post of this thread you were quoting ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Using stored co2 energy (was: Shooting Down the Breeze)
hey! i just remembered, homebrew champagne makers are cautioned to make sure that all yeast has been killed before finla bottling, lest continued fermentation generate so much pressure that it pops the cork. so i should think that mannick's idea is definitely worth exploring. go for it dewd! :) best, -chris b. In a message dated 9/9/05 1:18:42 AM, I wrote: hi, kirk. hi, mannick. The percentage in solution is very pressure sensitive and. . . . the percentage of what? yeast? co2? . . .champagne is hardy a pneumatic source. obviously, end-stage co2 generation, by definition, is only going to provide a single shot of pressurized gas per batch. but that is still a fair amount of gas. a 100 gallon batch would roughly equal 400 bottles of champagne. as with so many things, the viability of conserving/converting that energy would be determined by the processing setup and expectations of the processor. If all the gas were sequestered I think you would get premature cessation of fermentation as it would get too acid. again, this seems entirely plausible, but i've never run across such a caution. winemaker's are warned against excess acidity primarily for reasons of palate, but also because of the possibility that it can retard--not totally cease--fermentation. even then, there are ways of neutralizing excess acid (though i must admit i am ignorant of whether this is possible when the acidity is from co2, or whether it would absorb/bond the gas). in any case, it strikes me as a very original notion, mannick. there are technical considerations to be certain, but i would encourage exploring it further. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who is setting oil prices?
it is precisely this mechanism which allows the petrogiants to control prices while seemingly divorcing themselves from the process. -chris b. In a message dated 9/7/05 2:31:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In 1983, the New York Mercantile Exchange began to trade oil futures on its commodity market. Over time, commodity market trading would become the price maker. Petroleum prices would not be set by regulators controlling supply, by refiners stating what they would pay, or by OPEC oil ministers. . . . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
i think the u.s. govt will feel it has no choice but to invade canada once the draft gets reinstated. a haven for draft dodgers must not be allowed (yet another aspect of the counter-counter-culture hysteria which has characterized the reagan era). -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 07 Sep 2005 10:40:26, Darryl McMahon writes: The growing number of disputes where the U.S. is choosing which legal decisions it will respect (in their favour) and ignore (inconvenient), e.g. fisheries, softwood, Devil's lake, can be taken as an indication of U.S. willingness to invoke gunboat diplomacy at their discretion, even with their friends. I don't think the U.S. military will lack for resources to invade northward once the C-in-C gives the order. Darryl McMahon Doug ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Would you be willing to be shot or hanged first? Given the typical methods of authoritarian governments, that's the crucial question. In 1812 coercion was not necessary; propaganda alone sufficed. The American immigrants who made up most of the population of the Niagara peninsula found it hard to take the war seriously, until the American militia started burning and looting. By the end of the war the Niagara frontier was a burned-out desert on both sides. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario On Wed, 7 Sep 2005, Mike Weaver wrote: In all seriousness, can you really imagine US citizens taking up arms against Canada? No one I know would. I would go to jail first. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze
hmm. you could be right, kirk, but i must say that i've done some home brewing of wine and don't recall ever reading anything about having to pay attention to ph for high yeast productivity. there's also the question of pressure, though. nevertheless, if this only slows the yeast down, there's no reason such a scheme wouldn't work so long as the slower ethanol generation weren't prohibitive. even if it were, a modified arrangement might still work whereby the pressurized co2 were obtained in a way similar to champagne making. -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 07:42:04, Kirk McLoren writes: CO2 readily goes into solution and thereby changes pH. I think the yeast would be inhibited as pH dropped. Kirk Manick Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: May I moot an unconventional source of power: It is my firm belief that CO2 from ethanol fermentation process can be compressed on its own without compressors and without damage to the bugs and drive turbines for electric power. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] New Catalyst Produces Hydrogen from Water
hmm. you'd think there's one obvious way the stuff could be obtained in larger quantities, but only if the current paradigm changes. -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 14:59:18, Kirk McLoren writes: The big question is, of course, whether it would be economically viable to create organosilane fuels in the quantities necessary. . .and while it's a relatively easy process, it's not dirt cheap. One of the drawbacks, the team reports, is the high cost of the organosilane starting materials. But if the silicon byproduct can be sold or recycled efficiently, the new approach could ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
hi duncan. um, send who to gitmo? if you mean the ones who succumb to the twisted, hateful triple-think which i describe, then, you might be onto something there. . . . -chris b. In a message dated Wed, 7 Sep 2005 09:45:45, Duncan writes: You then say there is a level on which, for many americans, the new orleans victims **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. And the solution? Send them to Guantanomo Bay? I hope that it's not many Americans who believe this, although if it is then perhaps the response to Katrina is explained. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Hi Chris, hi, taryn. I'm surprised to see you take these positions you've often disparaged corporate and government abuse of power indeed i have. and spoken up for the underdogs. as i did with my earlier post to this thread. duncan is not an american but he summed up the meaning quite well (though based on his further comments i'm not sure whether he understood my voice either--see my post immediately preceding this one). Duncan wrote: It seems that you agree that Katrina and what happened during and after are caused by inequalities, but inequalities that are deeper than income. Inequalities that divide a nation to such an extent that one group can call itself American and the other not. of course, i was simplifying things a teeny bit in the interest of brevity and succinctness. for some, for example, the simple fact of mardi gras--a days-long orgy of drunken debauchery and sexual disinhibition--would be reason enough to let the city sink into the gulf. of course, many who think that way already think in the way i described earlier in this thread. anyway, sorry for any misunderstanding. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Shooting Down the Breeze
hi, kirk. hi, mannick. The percentage in solution is very pressure sensitive and. . . . the percentage of what? yeast? co2? . . .champagne is hardy a pneumatic source. obviously, end-stage co2 generation, by definition, is only going to provide a single shot of pressurized gas per batch. but that is still a fair amount of gas. a 100 gallon batch would roughly equal 400 bottles of champagne. as with so many things, the viability of conserving/converting that energy would be determined by the processing setup and expectations of the processor. If all the gas were sequestered I think you would get premature cessation of fermentation as it would get too acid. again, this seems entirely plausible, but i've never run across such a caution. winemaker's are warned against excess acidity primarily for reasons of palate, but also because of the possibility that it can retard--not totally cease--fermentation. even then, there are ways of neutralizing excess acid (though i must admit i am ignorant of whether this is possible when the acidity is from co2, or whether it would absorb/bond the gas). in any case, it strikes me as a very original notion, mannick. there are technical considerations to be certain, but i would encourage exploring it further. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. vs. Canada (was Iran's Nuclear Program)
mike(s), only if you use different language. promise to wage peace on the canadians, by force if necessary. -chris b. In a message dated Thu, 08 Sep 2005 09:22:12, Mike Weaver writes: Another reason to vote for me - I will declare perpetual peace on Canada! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51
'soldiers' with a capital 's'? nice touch. so, these doctors castro has offered to send, since they were at one point in their youth soldiers by virtue of universal conscription, they are condemned to be forever regarded as such? i guess that means that all cuban immigrants since 1959 should be regarded with suspicion. best round them up and cart them off to gitmo posthaste. -chris b. In a message dated 9/6/05 Juan Gutierrez writes: See I thought you guys had some idea. In Cuba all 18 year olds go to military trainning before thats women and men before they get put in the career choice of the government. Including Doctor's and Scientists. From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Cuba Willing to Send Immediate Medical Help Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2005 08:11:37 -0500 When did he offer soldiers? this article is about 1100 doctors. Oh, you're joking? I take it then that you think Castro is insincere? Juan Gutierrez wrote: He such a nice guy he wants to send 1100 fully specially trained Soldiers to this country ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] aaargh! subject line!!!!
i think just posted another reply and forgot to edit the subject line again. my apologies to all, i know how frustrating that can be. won't do it again. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina's Real Name
ok, 37 of rain in one day? i just can't wrap my brain around that one. chris b. In a message dated 9/6/05 4:34:09 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And when the Indian city of Bombay (Mumbai) received 37 inches of rain in one day -- killing 1,000 people and disrupting the lives of 20 million others -- the villain was global warming. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Katrina and Income Inequality
Perhaps that accounts for the difference between the way the governmentresponded. . . not quite . . .at 9/11 - where mostly White and rich people were the victims offoreign anger. . . more than this. they were victims of crazed, uncivilized, america-hating (and therefore american-ideology-of-freedom-liberty-law-and-order-personal-responsibility-and-bootstrap-individualism-hating), evil-doing *people*of*color*. and in New Orleans where the victims were largely Black andunable to escape a natural disaster unassisted. and who have shown themselves, in this instance and so many other previous instances of inner-city rioting and looting, to be crazed, uncivilized, america-hating (and therefore american-ideology-of-freedom-liberty-law-and-order-personal-responsibility-and-bootstrap-individualism-hating), evil-doing *people*of*color*. in other words, there is a level on which, for many americans,the new orleans victims **represent** the enemy which caused 9/11. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] US Intelligent Design Campaign and natural disaster hits oil prices.
ok, i'm getting really confused. it's been forever since my sunday school days, but i thought the real story had something to do with klingons and uranus. . . . -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cohabitation
i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 7:42:16 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am the one and true Mike. This other fellow is clearly an imposter. Do not follow false Mikes. I personally will lead you into temptation. I am running for president. My slogan is: Mike Weaver for president: A troubled man for troubled times. Michael Redler wrote: What!? I have kids!!? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
no disrespect joe, but but you're assuming here that a given government wouldn't replace the lost aircraft. rather a naive notion. high attrition conflicts occur precisely because the opposing governments are determined to carry on fighting despite the losses. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 10:14:02 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Except the loss of a pilot is most likely accompanied by the loss of an aircraft so when they are all gone what good does it do to have a bunch of trained pilots standing around with nothing to fly?? Joe ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] BP loses money?? Yeah, right.
this is so off base it's not even funny. i could go on at length about this, jeromie, but i think i can boil that message down, adn save a lot of bandwidth, by agreeing with you on one point: you're right, definitely not a humble opinion. -chris b. In a message dated 8/30/05 11:26:33 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: if most of us pay less, then somebody pays more. A 12% tax rate would mean tax break for the rich; hence, the poor would be paying more for the rich persons reduction. #2 I about fell off my couch when I read this. The poor wont be paying for the rich to have a tax break. Flat taxes would be fair, if I make $1, I pay XX%. Very simple. If I can figure out how to make $10 while you can only figure out how to make $1, why should I have to give more then XX% of it over then you? Cause your unable or unwilling to make more? Thats not right at all. A flat tax IS. Something that I have yet to see is lets solve the real tax issue. IMNSHO the real issue is the goverment waste of money, tax breeaks to large companies (normaly people who give donations to the right pockets) and other misguided efforts of people. If we were to truely reform taxes to a flat tax (a good thing) it would mean we HAVE reformed the goverment spending process (and a whole lot more) Jeromie Reeves ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel Digest, Vol 5, Issue 39
whispered through clenched teeth shoot, mike(s), come on. if i'm going to shill for you, you've got to let it play out. we've got a great scam going, and if all goes as planned you'll win no matter who the people vote for. but your provocative smart aleck remarks could sabotage the whole thing! now, here, have another vicodin, and lay off the booze will ya? In a message dated 9/4/05 2:35:57 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How do you know we're two people? Have you ever seen us in the same room together? [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i say you both should go up against one another in a run-off. you with your slogan, and redler with his (see below). let the people decide! -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
lol, yeah. the volume from this list to my mailbox this past week has totally overwhelmed me. even now i'm trying to catch up. i'm going to have to switch my mail option to digest or something. that item came to my mailbox and i just turned around and forwarded it right away. as i browsed further down my backed-up inbox, i saw the post on this list. i first heard of it through the green-trust list, which is why i forwarded that item. wasn't trying to misattribute credit or anything. sorry! cheers, -chris b. Hello Chris the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris Thanks, but we had it before: http://sustainablelists.org/pipermail/biofuel_sustainablelists.org/200 5-August/003069.html [Biofuel] Development Yields Antifreeze from Biodiesel Note it comes from http://www.renewableenergyaccess.com/, not green-trust.org. Best wishes Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
no doubt under the pretext of liberating the canadian people from the injustice of a universal health care system. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 7:46:14 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Suppose Canada decides that it will demand (which is our right) what it wants for that oil?. . .How little will it take before american troops show up to 'restore order' in our sovereign lands. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Iran's Nuclear Program
actually, from a strategic military standpoint, this is an extremely wise practice. in any high attrition conflict (read: protracted a/o bloody war), the human resources are depleted well before the hardware. trained pilots are about the most difficult personnel to replace and their loss represents a loss in capability many timers greater than does the loss of other service personnel. -chris b. In a message dated 8/24/05 2:50:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I admit I don't know the exact number of aircraft in readiness status, who does?. . .but I do know that Canadian pilots take a tour flying a desk simply because there aren't enough planes to go around. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Another use for glycerine
the subject of glycerine by-product, and what to do with it, seems to come up quite frequently so i thought i'd pass on this bit of news. cheers, -chris = From: Steve Spence [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: biodiesel - glycerin - propylene glycol Renewable Alternatives, has developed a process for converting glycerin, a byproduct of the biodiesel production process, into propylene glycol. Propylene glycol can be used as nontoxic antifreeze for automobiles. Suppes said this technology can reduce the cost of biodiesel production by as much as $0.40 per gallon of biodiesel. The market for propylene glycol already is established, with a billion pounds produced a year. Read more at http://www.green-trust.org http://www.green-trust.org/2005/08/glycerin-biodiesel-byproduct-makes.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical engineer's letter
i gave this site a quick browse. looks to me a lot like a portal for bogus think-tank "science". andy wrote: I have followed this project for a fewyears, and it looks like they are doing it.http://www.cfact.org/site/view_article.asp?idCategory=7idarticle=459 -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Chemical engineer's letter
marilyn, i guess i wasn't paying close attention the first time around, but clearly your freind is not a non-beleiver, as someone suggested. otherwise he wouldn't be researching ethanol from cellulose. the surliness of his email seems directed at the biomass sector's equivalent of snake oil salesmen and their far-fetched claims. best, -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
i don't think there's anything about the context which implicitly leans toward either legitimate government involvement from any number of agencies, or downright censorship. it was simply stated that the game had been banned on ebay. most people would probably read that as suggesting that there is something fishy about ebay's position vis-a-vis the game( it's not an unreasonable assumption that this was marilyn's intent). whether that something be political bias on the part of ebay management, or some sort of broader conspiracy, or even the goernment itself, whichever way it leads is entirely up to the reader's imagination (not to imply that any of those conclusions would be entirely imaginary). cheers, -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
i think you need to check your facts. :^) -chris Heck, most Americans don't even know the proverbial Franklin stove (round and made of steel) has nothing to do with Ben Franklin. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
hi michael. I don't think I'm off base on this. not sure specifically what you're referring to. but i wasn't trying to suggest that by associating the two ideas (lone individual and anarchist) you were maligning anarchists or anarchism. My statement/opinion simply said that an anarchist would not think it's impossible for the lone individual to protect their own basic rights. If you thought that I was alluding to folklore, it was not meant that way. I think that an anarchist, in its most general meaning (above) could see this as quite possible. It's only an opinion. speaking in terms of the most general meaning, any person of almost any political or philosophical persuasion *could* see this (that the 'lone individual' could 'protect their own basic rights') as possible. but your comment made such a point of view conditional on being an anarchist. conditionals introduce a sense of specifity. in this case, that there is something specific about being an anarchist that would allow him/her to believe such a thing. add to that the fact that people (in the u.s., at least) don't normally hear/read the word anarchist and think of the paris commune, or the russian imperial navy, for example. so even if you were thinking in very general terms, this is not how it reads. rather, it reads (whether or not you intended it to) as being rooted in the common misconception of anarchists as being sort of hyper-radical, nihilistic individualists or sociopaths, and perhaps the stereotype of the bomb-throwing anarchist as well. not sure i put that very well, but i think you get my general idea. anyway, my reply was not intended to level accusations or flame you. just to inform. As for the labor movement, I would argue that the beginning of the labor movement had more to do with admirers of Lenin and Trotsky rather than anarchists. No. The roots go farther back than that. I'm referring to the late ninteenth century, roughly 1870's to 1880's. Not only did Debs run for president as a socialist, his rise to popularity was (at least partly) due to his involvement in the Industrial Workers of the World. He was only one of many socialists who volunteered to help the struggle. You said: they would be replaced with local self-rule by worker's cooperatives. I don't question your history Chris. actually, i wasn't so much talking about history, as about the political theory. the history and the debates that rage about it, get rather complex and sometimes blurry. to whit: However, I think local self rule quickly gave way to a consolidation of power and later collective bargaining. are you talking about the transformation of political thought in the american labor movement? or revolutionary russia (whether in terms of ideology or actual events)? The workers cooperatives relayed the sentiment of the workers to the larger bodies and (IMO) looked similar to a Soviet, Lenin and Trotsky's interpretation of worker's cooperatives. from a leninist or trotskyist perspective, soviets would be the prototype for social/political organization in the future, after the dictatorship of the proletariat metamorphosed into a true communist society (utopia?). meanwhile, they would theoretically be the democratic building blocks for a communist state (presumably a proletarian representative republican dictatorship, lol) that would lead the society to that true communist future. That's my understanding of the events. If it doesn't match the consensus reached by scholars of that period (which I am not), then I stand corrected. i'm not sure there is a consensus, but as far as i'm concerned there's no doubt that in 1918, russia was experiencing a general, unorganized revolutionary uprising, among which there were some anarchist elements to be sure. the bolsheviks merely watched its gathering momentum and opportunistically stepped in right as it was reaching critical mass. the debate still rages about how things went wrong (IMO) from there. However, I need you to point me toward the references. . . . i have read a number of surces on this stuff, though mostly quite a few years ago. so no titles or authors come to mind. i can only suggest googling anarchist with any one or combination of the following: paris commune; levellers; haymarket; russian navy; october (or russian, or soviet, or bolshevik, etc,) revolution; makhnov; spanish civil war. for a broader background (beyond october 1918) of socialist thought a/o the international socialist movement, you might try looking up socialist international if you have a good public library or university library nearby, you can try there as well. . . .which will teach/convince me otherwise. actually, i wasn't trying to convince you of any particular interpretation of history or historical events. just to point out an apparent inaccuracy. :^) cheers, -chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: mike, in spite of common
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
i don't see how that statement would lead one to believe it was government censorship. it has a certain conspiratorial ring to it, no doubt. not entirely unfounded, since there's a ton of stuff sold electronically/via download on ebay. sounds as if not even the copyright holder(s) of the card game are being allowed to sell it. -chris In a message dated 8/16/05 10:23:48 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, the reason for the ban may have to do with copyright legalities as opposed to some sort of governmentally imposed restriction, which the statement below leads one to believe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
mike, in spite of common folklore, anarchism does not mean every man for himself. sometimes referred to as 'libertarian' socialsim (as opposed to 'authoritarian' models such as communism), the basic tenet is the abolition of the detached, alienated authority of government and its dehumanizing instrument of social control, bureaucracy. they would be replaced with local self-rule by worker's cooperatives. anarchism was a very important current in the early days of the labor movement (including in the united states) as well as the international socialist movement. significantly, the international worker's holiday, mayday, honors the anniversary of the police-instigated unrest at a largely anarchist labor gathering in chicago's haymarket square. best, -chris b. In a message dated 8/15/05 12:13:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's easy enough to believe (unless you're an anarchist). ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Biofuel College Courses
paolo: waht is the history of this car? who were the previous owners? it's possible the car was modified for enhanced performance. there's a jazillion aftermarket products out there including engine control computers for that generation of civic. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point
i wondered about the layout and terrain of your property while writing the previous. but since you are always referring to it as the ranch, one forms a certain idea. :) just to clarify one point, while i did comment on smaller boilers to serve separate buildings, my remark about a smaller firebox was a separate issue. i was referring there not to a smaller boiler, just the firebox i.e. the size of firebox required for a wood-supplemented solar boiler of a given capacity would be smaller than if it were run on wood power alone. it's true that batteries are not zero maintenance, but the maintenance requirements are really quite low. and actually, quality lead-acid batteries have a low failure rate when used properly. anyway, living actually *in* the forest does present different considerations. using wood for fuel does make a lot more sense in that context. (not that i thought it made no sense before). cheers, -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] de-polymerizing cellulose not practical at this point
brian, i would seriously encourage you to look into a solar rather than wood power to run your boiler. i don't know the capabilities or limitations of solar boilers, but i know they're out there and your location, well, isn't that kind of like solar paradise? battery banks can provide your energy needs at night, perhaps augmented by a small biod (or wvo or ethanol) generator for any individual structure that might have higher power requirements on occasion. in fact, i expect the solar boiler itself could be augmented with wood power, either to boost total power output or to extend total generating hours. your firebox could probably be a lot smaller, and designed for quick loading in the early a.m. hours; before the solar heat starts to get too intense. you probably wouldn't need the wood power at all a lot of the time, so you'd save a lot of work as far as keeping the firebox full, maintaining your fuel supply, and so on. also, it can be more efficient to look at all the different power needs you're looking to meet. for example, odds are certain outbuildings can easily be powered with a small pv/battery or wind/battery setup. and where the power use is greater, smaller, individual solar (or wood or wood/solar) boilers might be more efficient. using the hot water to heat your home at night is more efficient this way as well. not to mention wind turbines. there a plethora of DIY wind turbine projects to be found on the web. it's surprising how easy they are. one or two people could fabricate and install a pretty powerful one as a weekend project. you can also make the project much lower-impact if you wanted, since a good deal of the work consists of small tasks that can be done individually whenever you have a spare moment or two. my main point is, to really try and go non-carbon. the alternatives are there and totally viable. you can be no less energy-independent than with wood or biofuels, and still generate excess capacity. it might be a little more work up front, but in the long run should require much less. on another note, prickly pear fruit is extremely nutritous. you're better off eating it than converting it. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
hi tom. yes, you have the right picture, though it actually went further. it wasn't just a matter of *trying* to reach consensus before acting. unanimous consensus was essentially mandatory (an artifact of their particular brand of imperial government perhaps: disharmony/discord could not be allowed?). this is how the hard-liners were able to drag the conflict out as long as they did. however, while the cabinet was empowered with setting policy, they were required to obtain the emperor's blessing for all their decisions. nor did this prohibit the emperor from taking things in hand, as when he initiated diplomatic efforts to seek a peace. he was very much up to speed on the affairs of government: the progress of the war and state of the military; the state of the economy; etc. now, the guy who wrote this piece in the standard (richard frank), he's simply trotting out the same old tired arguments and assertions. which he tries to lend a veneer of fresh originality by blowing a lot of hot air about all this compelling new evidence (it's been in the public domain going on nearly15 years now). but he backs up his premise with nothing but a bunch of data the better part of which could as easily be used to argue in the contrary. what is clear, and this is not a matter of interpretation, is that japanese peace efforts began at least as early as june of '45, by which time some 100 of their cities had been fire-bombed and their desperate, last-ditch attempt to blunt the american advance at okinawa had failed miserably. there could no longer be any doubt at this point about the inevitability of an invasion of japan itself. some interesting links which demonstrate how very selective frank is with his data: http://www.dailyvanguard.com/vnews/display.v/ART/2005/08/06/42f4f59f0b6fc http://www.vw.cc.va.us/vwhansd/HIS122/Hiroshima.html http://www.counterpunch.org/krieger08062003.html i especially liked the latter two. there were several others i ran across over the course of this debate, but i can't seem to find them at the moment (i found them all on google). anyway, always interesting, these discussions. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Feeling of humiliation and lack of power
hakan, sorry to hear the news. i've been there myself. i still remember very clearly how the intruder's grimy fingers left several very distinct fingerprints on a windowsill, which i pointed out to the police. they didn't bother to collect them. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...
or just using different data, or more complete data, or representing it more honestly. to suggest or imply dishonesty on the part of dod would hardly be a stretch. this is the same dod that so incredibly (intentionally?) mishandled the invasion/overthrow. the same dod that suppresses or ignores any information related to the devastating, and devastatingly lethal, impact this war has had on the people of iraq. the same dod that maintains a blackout on those oh so unflattering flag-draped casket images. -chris b. In a message dated 8/11/05 7:49:25 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If McLaughlin his claiming 25,000+ he's either doing one of three things: a) using bad data b) including non-US forces c)implying the DoD is lying. Given the willingness of the Pentagon to openly contradict the Cheney and Rumsfeld spin as needed, I have enough faith in their professionalism to assume these numbers haven't been cooked. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
i think so as well, i'm afraid. if they can seriously pursue projects like Total Information Awareness without compunction, then filtering the telecommunications of a governmental property would be like, at the autonomic nervous system level. what do you do at the school, tom? teacher? administrator? -chris b. In a message dated 8/10/05 8:16:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Keith, You misinterpret my suspician. My suspician is that the site is blocked from me. I work at an embassy school and will try again at home. Sounds most improbable. Actually quite probable considering I was there as the school was built and the computing and telephone systems were put in. The embassy folks came in right after the normal lines were installed to place some additional equipment to the same lines. Neither I nor our computer systems person has any idea what that equipment does. Yet low and behold upon returning home I can access the site you mentioned. Big Brother is always watching. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...
sheesh, this is so not true. we just recently had a thread along precisely these lines. it is extremely easy for an employer to terminate an employee. the employer does not have as much lattitude with a unionized workforce, but even there it is not nearly as hard to fire someone as is commonly represented. there's some truth to the notion that, if you're part of a union it's hard to get fired, but this has more to do with accomodations that management and union leadership make with one another, than with limitations on the employer's powers. -chris b. In a message dated 8/10/05 8:41:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The rules are: 1. Don't get fired - still pretty hard to fire someone in the US. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes
er, sorry, but were you being sarcastic or serious? -chris In a message dated 8/10/05 8:56:37 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The American way of life is not negotiable. I personally feel I need a huge SUV for my lifestyle. Why, just the other day I drove my V10 Excursion to WalMart to get a pencil. I could have walked, but that's not The American Way. I personally am furious about gas prices in the US. I'm not sure who I'm furious with, but I think it might be the Democrats. I'm pretty sure I'm also furious with the Saudis. I was furious with Saddam, what with his WMD and the whole 9/11 thing, but I think we all agree that's been taken care off. I am very angry that Asians hold most of our government debt, but I am also extremely upset that S. Korea mused aloud about diversifying out of dollars. Taxes. I'm very mad about taxes. I just sold my palatial mansion in Palm Beach and have to pay 15% capital gains!! Thank goodness my gardener, Roberto, pays 28% on his wages or it could have been worse. Mike, The Ugly American ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check out Diesel Won't Solve Our Gasoline Woes
there's actually a fair amount of activity in this area. try a google search with the keywords 'diesel' and 'motorcycle', or diesel motorcycle. there's also some info compiled on the JTF site: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_bikes.html -chris b. In a message dated 8/10/05 5:57:29 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: where are the tdi motorbikes ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] move over vw tdi?
if they offer the diesel in the states, biod users may have a new favorite small car: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=communiquenewsid=9097 -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ASTM, was ... Diesel Won't Solve...
those are very conservative (not in the right-wing sense) numbers. there are already close to 1800 killed, and even mcglaughlin--hardly a liberal or a dove--repeats figures in excess of 25000 for woulded/maimed/incapacitated. -chris b. In a message dated 8/10/05 3:47:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the United States has suffered more than 13,000 casualties—11,500 wounded and 1,500 dead ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
typical think-tank rubbish. an opinion piece masquerading as serious (and unimpeachable, of course!) historical analysis. the thing is, the piece is desperately short on analysis, though long on subtext. he rather selectively piles up a bunch of data about the tactical situation in the pacific. all more or less correct, but he frames it in a manner that is neither organic nor very coherent. most importantly, however, is that only a single sentence fragment (in parenthesis, to boot) in the entire piece directly addresses the question proposed in the title: On August 7 (the day after Hiroshima, which no one expected to prompt a quick surrender). . . . let me give that to you again, in case it flew by too fast (precisely the author's intent): . . .the day after Hiroshima, which no one expected to prompt a quick surrender. . . . so then, why *did* truman drop the bomb? -chris b. In a message dated 8/8/05 6:25:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I hope everyone is reading all the attachments to articles on this topic. I found the one in the Weekly Standard to be very credible. Thanks Greg and April for this information. Perhaps that´s my own personal bias. How would you attack this Chris B. and Hakan? More government propaganda? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
i forgot to mention, if you hadn't figured out what that weekly standard piece was all about by the time you'd reached the author's fifth coded reference to the pro-communist, pro-gay agenda, tree-hugging, tax-and-spend, anti-patriotic, anti-american, anti-life, terrorist-loving liberal elite, then the final sentence certainly should have tipped you off. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
In a message dated 8/6/05 10:31:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think that you are looking at the picture in the same light as the planners were. Actually greg, we haven't been talking about what was in the minds of the planners. The subject has been the wholly abitrary statements which were made, post-war, to justify the bombs. (snip) Yes, Omaha beach was bad.But lets look at more realistic numbers that planners from the invasion were looking at: (snip) (snip) Over 26,000 Allied causalities and over 21,800 Japanese causalities for an island less than 8 sq miles in size, in little over 1 month.The name of that island - Iwo Jima. (snip) No, not more realistic. Iwo Jima saw a very high fatality rate for american forces of 10%. However, in reality, this battle was highly anomalous for a whole number of reasons. No reasonalbe strategist would factor this event into his/her force requirement or casualty estimates in planning for another campaign. In 2 months 38,000 Americans wounded, 12,000 killed or missing, more than 107,000 enemy killed, and perhaps 100,000 civilians perished, in the invasion of a tiny little island called Okinawa.( That is more causalities than Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined - an estimated 103,000 ) You forgot to mention that some 30+ american fighting forces were involved. In other words, the rate of fatalities was some 4%. In absolute terms, only slightly higher than omaha beach, despite the kamakazi tactics employed by the japanese. It should be noted that Okinawa had very important elements in common with Iwo Jima. Yet, the fatality rate was significantly lower. A clear indicator both of the exceptional nature of the battle at Iwo Jima, and of the fact that the american forces had adapted well to the new tactical situation. So, basically, there is nothing 'more realistic' about these numbers. And even if you were to assume that there were, you'd still be talking about a combat force of some 2500 personnel. It was with these casualty numbers, that the planners were figuring 1,000,000 from the off shore bombardment to the final surrender. Again, NOT! We've been talking about post-war assertions made to justify the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. One of the earliest and most famous of which is now known to have been an entirely arbitrary figure. I also must stress, that these 'sound bite' type of comments are heavily loaded. The public does not tend to think of military actions in terms of wounded or missing (wounded normally account for around 80% or more of casualties). Casualty figures morph into body counts, so that the common perception is that a million american lives were at stake. As far as what was actually anticipated, the top planners' casualty estimates (i.e. total wounded, dead and missing) varied widely, ranging anywhere from around 100,000 on the low end to a million on the high end (this was the single highest estimate, almost twice as high as all others). -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Worst terror attacks in history
tom, I grow a little weary of revisionist history. this is precisely why this thread started in the first place. there are those of us who are weary of the revisionist official history woven almost entrely of whole cloth to justify the first use (and, incidentally, first use) of the atomic bomb. Yes, there was a political side to the war. When hasn´t there been. Yes, it was brutal and callous. Again, when hasn´t it been. Yes, the history is written by the victors. But let´s not forget that we´re not talking about the best humans ever created on the other side. this is the typical justification resorted to when the revisionist has been outed. 'well, sure, it's all a big lie, but we get to tell those lies and commit such brutalities because we're the good guys'. how does the fact that the nazis or japanese or soviets committed attrocities matter? does it change the fact that we chalked up two big whoppers of our own those two days in august (not to mention hundreds more in our fire-bombing campaign, which had been going on for months prior)? does it or doesn't it justify annihilating some 15 civilians, and condemning untold thousands more to a lifetime of afflictions? If the bombs limited that and ended the war without invasion I still feel they fall into the catagory of necessary evil. but, again, this is precisely the point. it's pure syllogism as doctrine. no different, really, than that bogus email of the other day about crime in australia. (it should trouble you profoundly, btw, to have to put 'if' at the front of that statement.) -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
doug, *Part* of the Japanese government was trying to find a way to surrender, before the atom bombs. you've been misinformed. this is a misrepresentation of the facts. it was hirohito himself, quite on his own, that asked the soviets to mediate a peace. later, the government junta voted unanimously in favor of sending an envoy to moscow. the peace faction and the hardliners had their own reasons for supporting the idea, but the point is that they took that action in the first place because hirohito wanted them to. these events transpired because the situation in japan was progressively deteriorating. there were growing fears that total social and economic collapse, and, therefore, most likely political collapse as well, were imminent. furthermore, it was not the united states' intent to force a quick surrender by using the bombs. that simply did not enter into the calculus i.e. saving so many american or japanese lives was not the motivation for nuking japan. It's not clear that the U.S. population would have accepted just hanging around fully mobilized at war waiting for six months or a year until the Japanese you're presenting kind of a worst case scenario of how a blockade strategy, as opposed to invading, might have unfolded.besides, the disposition of the american people is a red herring and highly speculative (another echo of the 'aussie gun control' argument). nor does it have any bearing on whether or not bombing hiroshima and nagasaki were inhumane. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] saddam and sanctions (was: Hiroshima and Nagasaki: Worst terror attacks in history)
robert, there is a lot of myth swirling around this issue. the sanctions did result in severe hardships for the people of iraq. however, once the oil for food program got under way, things really started to turn around. by the time 'shock and awe' started, the UN-administered program had kicked serious butt on hunger and malnutrition, as well as a whole series of health/welfare indices like various illnesses, the water and education infrastructures, etc. Baghdad was beginning to prosper once again, as well. now, as far as s. h.'s spending priorities during the first few years of sanctions, i expect a serious case could be made against him. however, it is incumbent on whomsoever should wish to condemn him to provide an accurate and thorough accounting of his government's actual spending during that time period, and demonstrate that the cost of preventing the hunger, malnutrition, illness, etc., as well as rebuilding his country, would not have exceeded his government's means. for if it were beyond his government's means, then the u.s.a. would indeed be to blame. more realistically, though, the u.s.a. bears some blame because it would be almost self-evident to anyone involved in the process, that health and welfare spending would be among the first things to get cut. not to mention, does anyone else see the irony here? after all, there is a lot of inequity, hunger and malnutrition in the united states, and we don't even have sanctions to blame it on. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 8/8/05 10:31:46 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That said, I have a question that perhaps someone out there can address, re: Dysentery, starvation (due to ten years of sanctions) and war in Iraq., specifically concerning the sanctions. Whatever the US role in those sanctions, it has always seemed to me that Saddam Hussein had the resources to address the basic health/sanitation needs of his people but instead chose to spend it on a lavish lifestyle for himself, his family, and supporters, and on other nonessentials compared to basic needs. Yet, almost without exception, the US gets blamed for this humanitarian disaster during the sanctions. Why? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Seed terrorism
no doubt, eventually, one of their gmo's will have the 'accidental' side effect of respiring a specific isotope of oxygen, thus enabling monsanto to hold patent rights on any unit of atmosphere in which this isotope is found. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 8/8/05 12:35:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Monsanto is a prime player in predatory, monopolistic practices, trying to pass laws to lock the little guy out. Check out http://www.grain.org/seedling/?id=343. If Monsanto has its way, we will have to pay royalties to do anything with seeds, including growing plants to produce biofuels. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The myths of Hiroshima
look, this whole thing about an invasion of japan costing a million american lives is utterly ridiculous. that would be four times the american combat deaths in the entire war. the landing at omaha beach is usually described as one of the most horrifically deadly battlefield environments of the conflict, because of the difficult terrain and the very dense defenses. roughly a thousand american soldiers were killed, just shy of 3% of the forces that landed there which is pretty high. if you were to assume similarly difficult conditions for an invasioin of japan (which is by no means a given), more than 30 million troops would have to be involved. . . . -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hey! Let's outsource the pres...
ROFLMAO! keith strikes again. i rather expect sadam would love the job. he could install himself as chief justice and open the doors of all the prisons; pardon the rest of the '52 most wanted'; bomb israel; invade saudi arabia and re-occupy kuwait; etc. not to mention there'd no longer be need for even the thinnest pretense of an independent iraqui government. g-dubya would be apoplectic with jealousy. -chris b. In a message dated 8/3/05 1:08:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: (Er, Saddam's address IS the US embassy or consulate, isn't it?) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] enron and california energy crisis (was: The New Blue States/Country)
mike, try: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/EnronCalifCrisis.html http://www.users.cloud9.net/~bradmcc/EnronCalifCrisis.html jodi.tamu.edu/Articles/v05/i04/Ekbia/ www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=2530 www.therestofus.org/factsheets/kenlay.html www.truthout.org/docs_2005/020505A.shtml there's much more at: http://www.google.com/search?q=enron+trading+OR+traders+%22california+energy+c risis%22hl=enlr=ie=UTF-8as_qdr=allstart=0sa=N cheers, -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hey! Let's outsource the pres...
roflmao = rolling on floor laughing my @$$ off -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The New Blue States/Country
that's really depressing. but now that you mention it, i thought i'd heard somewhere that a recess appointment meant a pres got their nominee for something like 18 months. six months seemed a little short. so then, the sitting congress doesn't get to pick up the review process again once the recess is over? -chris b. In a message dated 8/3/05 2:32:15 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: actually he is there till the next congress convenes, which means January 2007, about a year and a half away. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: The New Blue States/Country
john, you're the one exhibiting the bias here. hakan makes pretty straight, oranges to oranges comparisons. you attempt to sidestep this by raising the red herring of higher taxes. taxes are so-o-o-o-o un-american. you've already associated 'un-americanism' with the list member you're rebutting, before you even mention the words 'anti-u.s.' when you do, your condescending and patronizing attitude merely underscores your own bias. the fact is, the u.s. exercised tremendous influence over the oil for food program; to the point where it had near total control. the u.n. adminstration itself had virtually nothing do to with OFFP. the specially-created entity which oversaw the process, reported to an independent commission. every member of the security council was represented on this commission, and had veto power over any and all oil contracts. the u.s. held up billions in humanitarian goods contracts because of concerns (totally invalid, as the record has shown) over 'dual use'. meanwhile, dozens of instances of pricing irregularities ( = kickbacks going to saddam) were reported to the commission, and the u.s. did not oppose a single one of these contracts. in other words, the u.s. was amply aware of the corruption, and chose to allow it to continue. what's more, the u.s was well aware of the oil smuggling as well. this was separate from the OFFP, and dwarfed the corruption in the OFFP process. (and like the OFFP, it was outside the purview of the u.n. administration: oil smuggling was supposed to be policed by the mif (multinational interception force), which was comprised almost entirely of u.s. military forces, and under the command of the u.s.) what could explain this u.s. inaction? could it be because, for example, the russian broker was selling its oil almost exclusively to u.s. companies? or because a large part of the smuggling was done through our allies? perhaps also because it suited what had been or strategic goal vis a vis iraq all along, which was regime change? is it possible that you neglected to identify the 'perhaps one other u.s. outfit' involved in the corrupt iraq dealings, because that player was halliburton? including during the period *when*dick*cheney*was*at*the*helm? in fact, cheney was quite vocal in his opposition to the sanctions while at haliburton. yet he sang a very different tune on the campaign trail in 2000, denying that haliburton had done any business with iraq. so, it would seem that you are the one who is limiting your presentation according to your bias. as evidenced in your claim that OFFP clearly demonstrates that this so-called 'world tax' (a really stupid and biased label) would be pointles because it would never work because of all the corruption. yet the fact is, the corruption in OFFP was a very small percentage of the total money involved. more importantly, OFFP *worked*. further evidenced by your portrayal of the john bolton nomination. 'filibuster' is a blatant misrepresentation of what actually occured. there was no filibuster at all. there were a majority of voices which wanted to proceed very deliberately, including certain influential republican senators. it was not the senate which unduly delayed the process, and it is absolutely not a forgone conclusion that 'the vote would have been yea'. the delay was a product of the white house stonewalling and dragging its feet when asked to produce documents requested for the nomination hearings. thus, the white house got their way: the senate was not able to conclude the hearings before the recess, which enabled bush to make the recess appointment. which means they have the man they want for six months before they have to bring him before the senate again. and it *is* telling. one indicator of corruption is the circumventing of the process, which is precisely what happened here. and as regards your break down of recess appointments in recent administrations, let's take a look at that. reagan, a republican, averaged nearly as many appointments per term as clinton, the only democrat in the list, had during his entire two terms. during both of their presidencies, the capitol was controlled by the opposing party, but the opposition during clinton's presidency was unmistakably more vehement, militant and partisan. darn near hysterical, in fact. even so, his recess appointments were only half those of his 'illustrious' predecessor. both bushes show recess appointments at a pace greater than clinton's as well. in fact, bush the younger is outpacing clinton by some 50%, and that's *with*a*friendly*congress*! why this republican predilection for cirucmventing (i.e. corrupting) the process? When a person looks at a situation with a mind full of prejudice and expectation they are bound to arrive at a conclusion that fits into their existing views regardless of fact. well said. well said, indeed. . . .
Re: [Biofuel] The Culture Wars and Racism
i don't know, mike. i think she's kind of already there. the chain letter guy plays the instigator. she plays the apologist. -chris-Original Message-From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 3 Aug 2005 17:01:48 -0700 (PDT)Subject: [Biofuel] The Culture Wars and Racism Hi everyone, Earlier this week, I receivedsome obnoxious chain mail. I became so incensed by it, that I felt a need to respond - especially since ithad a cc list and a way to counter the hate that was being spread. One of the people on the list, a woman who I never met,took exception to my response andsent her own reply. In my opinion, this email could not do a better job to reveal a popular misunderstanding of the culture from which Islam comes. It also demonstrates the feelings of someone who considers herself benevolent but, is so scared that she absolutely insists that someone should be punished. Ifound it to be a frightening example of a person in transition from caring to hating. Although I'm not a sociologist or a mental health professional, it was apparent to me that the email I received, was from a women filled with contradictions and uncertainty. Someone at the beginning of becoming a racist. I wouldn't send such a long email if I didn't think it wasrevealing. If you want to follow the whole exchange, start at the bottom. I suspect that you will also find the chain letter to be divisive and one that plays onfear. Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Culture Wars and Racism
ouch! methinks ten million be a pathetically low estimate. -chris b. In a message dated 8/3/05 8:39:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let's see, How many Muslim extremists killed ten million native north and south americans in the name of freedom of religion ?- Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] The Culture Wars and Racism Hi everyone, Earlier this week, I received some obnoxious chain mail. I became so incensed by it, that I felt a need to respond - especially since it had a cc list and a way to counter the hate that was being spread. One of the people on the list, a woman who I never met, took exception to my response and sent her own reply. In my opinion, this email could not do a better job to reveal a popular misunderstanding of the culture from which Islam comes. It also demonstrates the feelings of someone who considers herself benevolent but. . . . ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: Jesus was a liberal..., and look what it got him... was Re: [Biofuel]The New Blue States/Country
In a message dated 8/2/05 2:27:19 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lets take the good old drunk. . .He is ultimately responsible for his actions. . .The alcoholic wants instant gratification and finds alcohol his tool. this perspective is meaningless and stupid. there are 'drunks', as you like to call them, and there are alcoholics. two very different things. for the alcoholic, 'wanting' the pleasure of alcohol has little if any bearing. rather, it's a powerful, fundamental drive that goes beyond addiction or dependence or any other type of moralistic language you might wish to apply to it. His choice is not one of drinking or not drinking, because that choice has been removed from his book. He has crossed the line and once crossed, the choice is removed. The alcoholic's choice is whether or not to stay sober. err, yes it is. it is by not drinking that one remains sober. . . . For a man and woman to consent in having a relationship, even the quickie instant gratification relationship. It takes two for consensual sex, the line has been crossed. That couple has consented to give their bodies. hmm, the 'gratification' theme again. sounds to me as though for you the issue is really about how they [gave] their bodies. less about whether 'life' resulted. yes, i put 'life' in quotes, becuase there are widely varying viewpoints on what can be defined as 'life', and what it means to respect and uphold it. Yes, they can choose to justify their need for instant gratification. . . . yet more of this 'instant gratification' stuff. why don't you drop the code and just say it straight out: you don't consider yourself part of the problem; you consider yourself morally superior. in spite of all your talk of 'we' and 'our', you're clearly drawing a line between yourself and most or all of the rest of this forum. . . .behind many different doors, one of which is abortion. when have you EVER heard ANYone use abortion to *justify* ANYthing? most certainly not here in this forum, and i for one have never, categorically never, heard anyone use abortion as a justification for any 'need'. certainly, noone has ever used abortion as justification for throwing bombs at fertility clinics, or at right to 'life' gatherings. Instant gratification, around the world has gotten. . . . oh brother, not again. just what the devil are you talking about? what 'instant gratification'? like a cool drink of water when i'm thirsty, or something? God has a good solution for sex. . . . ROFLMAO now i understand. but then, i don't. most anyone will tell you that sexual gratification is hardly 'instant'. semi-seriously, though, this isn't about god. it's about you. *you* have a 'solution for sex'. or at least you think you do (as though sex were a problem that needed solving). you'd best get over it, because you are in a very small minority. very small. in fact, even smaller than that, because rest assured there are those within your minority that secretly believe very much otherwise. as regards stewardship and responsibility, let's confine our discusion to subjects which are *demonstrably* connected to environmental degradation, based on scientific, peer-reviewed data. shall we? not ad hominem, ideological-theological tautology and sophistry. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
hakan, i'm so glad you saved that document. i was not able to catch the hearing, but fortunately a few u.s. media outlets did give fairly generous coverage. galloway was just awesome; blistering oratory. he tossed them around like a rabid dog would kittens. hopefully i can find the plug-in that will allow me to play it back. -chris b. In a message dated 8/2/05 10:46:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://hakanfalk.com/msnbc_uk_galloway_blisters_us_on_iraq_050517-01b.wmv ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hey! Let's outsource the pres...
hmmm, perhaps you could somehow arrange to have the u.s. embassy or consulate as your official address of residence. :) -chris b. In a message dated 8/2/05 6:14:42 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: no one can hold the office of President who is not American born, at least 35 years of age, AND a resident of the United States for at least the previous 10 consecutive years. That last provision excludes me, too! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] more encouraging solar news
Cost Competitive Electricity from Photovoltaic Concentrators Called 'Imminent' Wednesday, July 13, 2005 Golden, Colo. ? Solar concentrators using highly efficient photovoltaic solar cells will reduce the cost of electricity from sunlight to competitive levels soon, attendees were told at a recent international conference on the subject. Herb Hayden of Arizona Public Service (APS) and Robert McConnell and Martha Symko-Davies of the U.S. Department of Energy's National Renewable Energy Laboratory (NREL) organized the conference held May 1-5 in Scottsdale, Ariz. "Concentrating solar electric power is on the cusp of delivering on its promise of low-cost, reliable, solar-generated electricity at a cost that is competitive with mainstream electric generation systems," said Vahan Garboushian, president of Amonix, Inc. of Torrance, Calif. "With the advent of multijunction solar cells, PV concentrator power generation at $3 per watt is imminent in the coming few years," he added. We have seen steady progress in photovoltaic concentrator technology. We are working with advanced multijunction PV cells that are approaching 38% efficiency, and even higher is possible over time. Our goal is to install PV concentrator systems at $3 per watt, which can happen soon at production rates of 10 megawatts per year. Once that happens, higher volumes are readily achieved," Hayden, Solar Program Coordinator at APS, said. Growth in the photovoltaic (PV) concentrator business was reflected in the conference attendance, three times that of the 2003 version. This rapid growth was attributed to recent PV concentrator installations and sales forecasts along with excitement created by new solar cell efficiencies approaching 40%. At the conference, NREL announced a new record efficiency of 37.9 percent at 10 suns, a measure of concentrated sunlight. Soon thereafter Boeing-Spectrolab, under contract to NREL and the Department of Energy, surpassed the NREL record with 39.0 percent at 236 suns announced at the European photovoltaic conference in Barcelona, Spain. The efficiency of a solar cell is the percentage of the sun's energy the device converts to electricity. Photovoltaic (PV) concentrator units are much different than the flat photovoltaic modules sold around the world; almost 1,200 megawatts of flat PV modules were sold last year. PV concentrators come in larger module sizes, typically 20 kilowatts to 35 kilowatts each, they track the sun during the day and they are more suitable for large utility installations. Another highlight of the conference was the announcement by Amonix Inc. of a joint venture with Spain's Guascor which will build a 10-megawatt per year assembly plant in Spain by the end of 2005. Amonix also plans to install 3 megawatts of PV concentrator systems in the southwestern U.S. while Guascor plans to install 10 megawatts of concentrator PV systems in Spain in 2006. Solar Systems of Australia announced plans to install more than 5 megawatts of PV concentrator systems in 2006. "Solar Systems' experience gained from installing and operating reliable PV concentrator systems over the last decade combined with its strong relationship with Spectrolab Inc., a leading manufacturer of multijunction solar cells, is poised to make a major step towards being a mainstream power producer," said Dave Holland, CEO of Solar Systems Australia. "The new solar cell technology from Spectrolab will enable us to upgrade our systems from 24 kilowatts to 35 kilowatts, a 46 percent increase in output," he added. The ultra-high efficiency solar cell technology, initially discovered at NREL and successfully developed for space satellites in the 1990s by Boeing-Spectrolab Inc., in Sylmar, Calif., proves to be enabling for low-cost terrestrial SEC systems. "Today, we are capitalizing on the major investments made by the space satellite industry and reducing the cost of the semiconductor solar cell by two to three orders of magnitude by operating the cells under high sun concentrations, typically 300 to 1000 times. Boeing-Spectrolab and NREL have demonstrated over 37 percent efficient concentrator solar cells and field testing of Spectrolab's cells for over one year with no degradation promise a bright future. We expect concentrator solar cell performance to reach or exceed 40 percent by 2006 and anticipate continued enhancement in performance and reliability," said Dr. Nasser Karam, vice president of Advanced Technology Products at Spectrolab Inc. "We are working closely with PV concentrator manufacturers to ensure their success and expedient deployment of the multijunction PV concentrator cells" said Dr. Raed Sherif, director of PV concentrator products, at Spectrolab. The U.S. Department of Energy, through NREL and its High Performance Photovoltaic Project, funds many of the U.S. research efforts reported at the conference. NREL is the U.S. Department of Energy's primary national laboratory for renewable energy and energy efficiency
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
how the heck did we get around to thetopic of killing babies?who's 'killing babies'? are you suggesting that environmentalists = baby killers? you really don't want to go there, nancy. you're just wasting your time. -chris b.-Original Message-From: Nancy Canning [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 12:45:13 -0500Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country I agree with you Gustl. Yet, I am amazed and the quanity of people who will uphold and fight for some snails life, being of great importance and right to live, yet believe it is okay to kill babies. That the Child is of no value and has no right to life.- Original Message - From: "des" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Monday, August 01, 2005 6:56 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country Thank you! That was the first message in this thread I found worth saving for future reference. Too much out there, (government, business and religion) has propagated the illusion of separation, competition and isolation... We could easily forget that we do all come from the same Source, sad to say though, that when mankind tries to give that Source a name, religion develops, and separation of our unity follows. doug swanson Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:Hallo Whomever,Sunday, 31 July, 2005, 18:03:48, you wrote:Wwrc In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than Wwrc us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe "In GOD We Trust"."In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited."? I assume that you haveNEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk then? Jerry Falwell? PatRobertson?"In GOD We Trust"? The qualifier "Somewhat" does not appear therebetween "We" and "Trust". Those trusting in God are those rejectingthe ways of the world and following the ways of the Lord. That wouldbe those in peace churches and not involving themselves in nationalpolitics and perhaps not even state politics. I assume you mean "Inthe bible we trust" instead, with the caveat of your own particularinterpretations of that and including the old testament which has,according to virtually all biblical scholars of the Christian bentbeen fulfilled and the jots and tittles have been changed.It is very interesting watching the contortions of the theologianstrying to make the black words in the bible match up to the red wordswhen they flatly contradict them in so many cases. If they trusted inGod they would have the ability to get to their knowledge without theaid of such an inadequate medium as the written word. It is not sointeresting watching them pulling verses or partial verses out ofcontext and trying to warp them to their own particular beliefs. Theywould rather define truth to match their own limited understandingrather than take the trouble to bring their understanding in line withtruth. Makes one ill.I generally attempt to be more kind in my observations but I reallyget weary watching people serving two masters while claiming to beserving only one. That which is good, right and true speaks foritself and the rest requires justification. There are a lot of"Christians" who are going to be justifying their heads off and a lotwho don't call themselves Christian who won't need to do so. Law vsSpirit. There are a lot of folks out there who may have read but haveeither forgotten or do not understand MT 25:12, LK 13:25, LK 13:27 andJN 5:42. Perhaps they just think claiming to believe something istautologous with demonstrating the fruits of the belief. Fruits?GAL 5:22. You won't find a lot of those fruits in politics whetherleft, right or center.Before I forget: MT 7:3-5There is a great difference between reading the words and knowing whatthey mean, understanding them. Living them is even more difficult. Ihave failed somewhat in this unkind mail but am prepared to liveand/or die with the consequences of my actions and without excuses orjustification. I hope all those upholding life with one hand andactivily participating in or concurring with the dealing out of deathwith the other are just as ready. Blue or red or whatever shade.Happy Happy,Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Re: [Biofuel] Windwandler
sure is pretty, but the pricing info didn't load for me. -chris-Original Message-From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 21:34:51 +0900Subject: [Biofuel] Windwandler http://www.windwandler.de/eng/techn_specs.htmlder windwandler gmbH - technical specificationsA bit too simple? A bit too expensive?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy
good one robert.the waythe'family' metaphor is used so much in business, is so low. ifgetting rid of thebeast is not an option, thenone obvius path is to regulate corporate governance. put limits on the reward structure. putsome of the old barriers back up that separatedcertain sectors. do a major about face as far as monopoly/conglomerate regulation goes. in the end though, none of it--no reforms, etc. will ever contain the beast. it will always find a way to break its bonds and run amok. leaving the villagers with the choice of corraling it once again, with the inevitable future escape, or getting rid of it once and for all. -chris b.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:16:44 EDTSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy Any skeptics out there? for more, if you can stomach it, go to altria.com Louis C. Camilleri, Chairman CEO, Altria Group, Inc. "Nothing is more important than our commitment to integrity ? no financial objective, no marketing target, no effort to outdo the competition. Our commitment to integrity must always come first." Feedback ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy
good one robert.the waythe'family' metaphor is used so much in business, is so low. ifgetting rid of thebeast is not an option, thenone obvius path is to regulate corporate governance. put limits on the reward structure. putsome of the old barriers back up that separatedcertain sectors. do a major about face as far as monopoly/conglomerate regulation goes. in the end though, none of it--no reforms, etc. will ever contain the beast. it will always find a way to break its bonds and run amok. leaving the villagers with the choice of corraling it once again, with the inevitable future escape, or getting rid of it once and for all. -chris b.-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 16:16:44 EDTSubject: Re: [Biofuel] Gangs of America Power and the disabling of democracy Any skeptics out there? for more, if you can stomach it, go to altria.com Louis C. Camilleri, Chairman CEO, Altria Group, Inc. "Nothing is more important than our commitment to integrity ? no financial objective, no marketing target, no effort to outdo the competition. Our commitment to integrity must always come first." Feedback ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Saudi oil bombshell
yes, the oil shales and the tar sands are very dirty sources of energy. presumably, cleaner ways of extracting it will be found, but why bother with it in the first place when there are already much cleaner sources of energy, is my way of thinking. you're right, there is increasing interest in the canadian deposits, though a lot of it seems to be going on semi-secretly (or very discretely, at least). and as regards nafta, when the shale/tar sands extraction picks up steam, that's when canada will see nafta reallyrear it's ugly head, what with the chapter 7 provisions. -chris-Original Message-From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 08:43:35 -0700Subject: Re: [Biofuel] The Saudi oil bombshell Joe Street wrote: Yes but this is difficult and expensive oil. The energy budget for its production is not pretty. The facilities for sure do exist to process it but I understand that production rates currently vary directly with the market price of crude. Canada is sitting on the proverbial gold mine and when the production shortfalls really hit in Saudi Arabia then and only then will we see a serious and large scale effort to extract these reserves as they will be profitable and the market will have little choice but to bear the cost at that time. How will our neighbors treat us then I wonder? J One provision of NAFTA requires Canada to supply energy to the United States, even if that means shorting Canadian consumption. I had a client who designed the facilities that extract shale oil, and he told me that investment in this technology is booming right now. Demand for oil from shale is expected to increase tremendously in the near term. I have heard many people complain that extracting oil from shale is a messy business, and I'm glad I don't live in Alberta!robert luis rabello"The Edge of Justice"Adventure for Your Mindhttp://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782Ranger Supercharger Project Pagehttp://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell
be very careful of the chupacabras! ;) -chris b.-Original Message-From: Tom Irwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 'Biofuel@sustainablelists.org ' Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 17:03:54 -0300Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Moving to the land was The Saudi oil bombshell We have foxes here but not all that many. There used to be pumas but I've never even heard one in my travels. There are snakes, some poisonous as well as wild pigs, hawks, eagles, and something bigger whose name escapes me now. I'll ask around about other preditors. Keep the information flowing I'm absorbing and saving to hard disk. Many thanks, Tom Irwin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., five Asian nations agree to push technology to fightclimate change
not at all, doug. in recent weeks there have been a few stories about australia's increased uraniumcommitments, and india's seeking of nuclear technology from the united states. non-proliferation was seen as a potential snagging point for the latter, so this latest six-nation agreement puts the stamp of legitimacy on the whole dirty nuclear business. -chris b.-Original Message-From: Doug Younker [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 28 Jul 2005 16:52:47 -0500Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., five Asian nations agree to push technology to fightclimate change - Original Message - From: "Alt.EnergyNetwork" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 28, 2005 3:02 AM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S., five Asian nations agree to push technology to fightclimate change : : : : Bush sees the light?? Not really, IMO. In the event GWB really had faith in technology's ability to curb green house gases he would sign onto Kyoto or at least pledge the USA will meet the Kyoto Protocol's goals, but then who would believe him?. Like his promotion of hydrogen this reads as a stall tactic to, give the impression he is doing something when in, reality he does nothing. No real change is going to occur until the right people will profit. But then perhaps I'm getting too cynical... Doug, N0LKK [EMAIL PROTECTED] Justice and Liberty for all* * Restrictions apply: see the PATRIOT act for details. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn
hi keith. no i didn't follow your link, but i'm already pretty familiar with health problems that have been linked to high fructose intake. so, no dis. :) still, i do think that the wording of that paragraph was. . .ill-considered. she simplistically (and somewhat inaccurately in terms of chronology, as you pointed out) associated hfcs with increasaed obesity, by ommitting any reference to the deterioration of nutritional and exercise habits as a whole. for example the fact that refined sugars constitute an increasing proportion of the average diet while exercise is diminishing. this language does carry the suggestion that those other factors are less important, perhaps even irrelevant. on the subject of the codex decision, a google search returned quite a number of links. i found that dr. dean's piece was fairly in accord with a number of other sources insofar as potential consequences of recent developments. clearly, the outcome of the rome meeting is not encouraging, and clearly we should all be concerned and raise our voices. after your reply to my post, i took another look at the 'kiss your health goodbye!' piece to re-examine my interpretation. in light of what i read from other sources, all of which were also opposed to the rome decision, i was even more struck by dr. dean's tone. she paints a big brother-type picture which is not the reality. at least not yet. there is still a ways to go, and other avenues to pursue besides attempting to influence the deliberations of codex; who, and fao (e.g. see http://www.alliance-natural-health.org/index.cfm?action=newsID=181). my reading also only reinforced the jingoistic impression i got the first time. if you like, i can break down her language point by point, but it's late and i can't go into that length at the moment. i will say, though, that she repeatedly mentions the role of germans, germany, and the eu in the process, as though they were synonymous with the real motive force, the pharmaceutical giants. at the same time she glosses over the fact that the codex commission, which consists of 85 member nations *including* the u.s. and canada, voted *unanimously* to adopt the guidelines. nevertheless, these are potentially serious developments. it's important to spread the word, and i can't accuse dr. dean of not doing that. after all, i'm now aware of it when 24 hours ago i wasn't. :) -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country
hi john, i agree with your point about the republican party. but don't be fooled by arnold's initiatives in cali. i was at the EV World website the other day, and found several articles about rules changes at CARB since 2002 or so. not very pretty. i'll try and post the links. -chris-Original Message-From: John Hayes [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Mon, 25 Jul 2005 09:16:11 -0400Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country Gov. Schwartzeneger has pledged to back CARB's attempts to regulate CO2 emissions.___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn
ok, so is pimentel now using current data or not? if the answer is no, then the question becomes is this chick legit? the blurb about corn syrup is pretty over the top. -chris In a message dated 7/25/05 8:04:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . . .In any case, Pimentel's new report with Patzek is based on current data and still reaches the same conclusion - ethanol uses more energy than it yields. They say investments in solar energy and vehicle fuel efficiency are where we should put our money. . . . . . .HCFS is an industrial product that was perfected in the 1970s and introduced into the food system in the early 1980s. Almost immediately, Americans started putting on weight, with obesity doubling by 2000. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: was...The New Blue States/Country
here are the links i mentioned. first, an article published in three parts: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=691 http://www.evworld.com/general.cfm?pageIDENT=a_brooks1.cfm http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=690 below is an earlier article by the same author. much of the info presented here is found in the above links, but still worth the read: http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=464 http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section=articlestoryid=465 enjoy, -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn
keith, no doubt refined carbos have their health effects. i was just referring to the implication (whether intentional or not) that hfcs introduction is wholly responsible for the horrible rates of obesity. as though eating and exercise habits, and the whole plethora of other very bad additives in our foods were irrelevant. i found the other posting, about the codix alimentarius, had a similarly over-simplistic feel to it. don't get me wrong, i don't presume to deny or question the basic thesis. i really don't know much about the specifics i.e. just what the codix is, and how the wfo or who or wto or world bank are connected. but i *do* know that there is a pretty high awareness of health issues in europe, and things like alternative medicine and herbal/vitamin suplemments are pretty well accepted by the mainstream of society. so, the implications or consequences of these rules can't be so cut and dry (not to say that the potential isn't there, either). and all of this language about 'our liberty' and 'our independence', and references as to how this official and that other official are german, it's all very jingoistic. that kind of stuff just really grates with me and my immediate reaction is to ask how much of this article's content is disinformation or misinformation. anyway, enough ranting. . . . best, -chris In a message dated 7/25/05 2:13:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the blurb about corn syrup is pretty over the top. Not really, the stuff is a disaster. HFCS certainly has much to do with the rising plague of obesity, and worse. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Windmills in the Sky (was Harnessing hurricane/tornado power)
keith, finally got around to following the link you recently provided. very cool. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period
lol. no, you don't. when you have amassed that kind of firepower in a foreign country, the local political process almost becomes irrelevant to your presence. especially so when you've played things as masterfully as these guys have. they (the bush-neocon faction of the right, who represent above all the interests of the energy industries and arms and military-related industries) in fact did learn from viet nam. only in the broadest sense can viet nam be compared to iraq. even then it's not a very apt comparison. we the united states, on the other hand, can from the iraqui point of view very aptly be compared to the more recent afghan/u.s.s.r. conflict. we are their soviet union. come to think of it, we played a role in that conflict as well so in fact, we are their u.s.s.r. *and* their u.s.a. who will be the new taliban? it seems more and more likely to me that it will be the new u.s.-installed military. -chris In a message dated 7/22/05 9:42:58 AM, Rick writes: The US will not have to influence politics to stay in Iraq. As to who is in control it is becoming less and less a simple question. Not surprisingly, our idiot child president did not learn from Viet Nam and the Neo Cons around him don't care if we end up in a permanent state of war with the rest of the world. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period
In a message dated 7/22/05 12:43:52 PM, keith writes: There's something similar in The Art of War, to the effect that a great general wins his victories by never allowing a war to happen in the first place. War is a failure of strategy, you've already lost by that time and so has everyone else. (Except Haliburton! LOL!) The wisest use of power is to refrain from using it. (Or something like that.) perhaps there are several iterations of this in the art of war, since it is a very important concept. but i recall it as being more along the lines of the greatest victory being won not by defeating your opponent, but by making him believe you will defeat him. today's popular expression, 'soft power', ultimately refers to this concept. It seems to me that the enemies of the US may be using this very technique to sap the lifeblood out of the american economy. Sorry to say so, but when I read that sentence I thought at first that you meant the White House. oh, keith that was beautiful. i couldn't have put it better myself. best, -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period
oops, forgot to include the materials extraction industries. -chris b. In a message dated 7/22/05 5:48:16 PM, chris b. writes: they (the bush-neocon faction of the right, who represent above all the interests of the energy industries and arms and military-related industries) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)
this *homebrew* wturbine reportedly withstands 60+ mph winds. i can't see how even stronger ones couldn't be made. i have my own idea of how it could be done. . . . -chris b. In a message dated 7/22/05 6:21:47 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Power increases to the CUBE of wind velocity. Twice the windspeed = 8 times the power. A hurricane would likely shred an AIR turbine. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)
robert, that's cool as hayil! thanks for passing that along. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power
Anyway as another pointed out hurricanes and tornadoes events are so brief and unpredictable to seriously consider them as a power source. tornadoes certainly are unpredictable, but hurricanes follow a much more regular pattern; they last around 10 days (a little less?) from beginning to end, and hurricane season lasts several months. a lot of energy could be captured (from tornadoes, too--or the severe weather that accompanies them) with appropriately designed turbines. Kinda fun to consider the consider the possibilities, though. that's exactly right! -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Propane - ABio fuel?
i suspect that the lines running from the biogas pit to the storage could beset up kind of like a stil, toremove the water vapor by cooling. best, -chris Malcolm wrote: Would water vapour inthe gas cause problems should it also be removed? Or is all this notneeded when using it as a single domestic supply?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power
that's not so big a problem. hurricanes cover thousands of square milesof area. it's just a matter of shaping your approach according to those variables. -chris -Original Message-From: Greg Harbican [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Thu, 21 Jul 2005 13:06:22 -0600Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power Perhaps, but, what path will a hurricane follow? Not even NOAA, can guess more than 10 minutes out with any major degree of accuracy.For that matter, anything more than about an hour, has a very large margin of error, and even then the hurricane can still do something unexpected. Greg H. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2005 12:20 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power Anyway as another pointed out hurricanes and tornadoes events are so brief and unpredictable to seriously consider them as a power source. tornadoes certainly are unpredictable, but hurricanes follow a much more regular pattern; they last around 10 days (a little less?) from beginning to end, and hurricane season lasts several months. a lot of energy could be captured (from tornadoes, too--or the severe weather that accompanies them) with appropriately designed turbines. Kinda fun to consider the consider the possibilities, though. that's exactly right! -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Payback Period (was, hurricane/tornado power)
no argument here. but that wasn't the point. yet at the same time, it was. i mean, if we were to let such considerations determine our actions--let alone what we are willing to think or imagine--we wouldn't all be on this list, would we? ;›) cheers, -chris b. on 7/21/05 6:21 PM, Kirk McLoren at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The machine to harvest the energy is a capital investment and when you consider the utilization factor the cost of the harvested energy is not competitive. Payback period is the most widely used measure for evaluating potential investments. Its use increases in tough economic times, when CIOs are apt to say things like, 'We won't even consider a project that has more than a 24-month payback.' Above from Computerworld. Any technology that has a payback period of, say, 10 years or more (fusion, hot or cold, tidal, deep ocean thermal) will never get off the ground. Easter Island: take half their pay to plant more palms that won't make canoes for 10 years?? Off with your Head!! Until the evaluation system changes, innovation suffers. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Test data on SVO/WVO fuel; better than diesel.
i would definitely like to see test data. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power
well, i suppose you could have wind turbines that operate in higher windspeed conditions. -chris b. -Original Message-From: r [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 15:31:10 -0400Subject: [Biofuel] Harnessing hurricane/tornado power Would it be possible to harness power from hurricanes or tornadoes?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: pocket bike USD85.00 (hot sale)
i'd be curious to know more (specs, pics) about any scooters they have. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove
hi, bud. In a message dated 7/18/05 11:20:21 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Granted, Wilson is on the opposite side of the political spectrum from the Whitehouse, and probably did have an axe to grind, but does this in any way diminish his findings? yeah. . .well, maybe. . .but not really. clearly, nearly everyone has their own political loyalties when they're in the voting booth, but department of state/diplomatic people have applied very rigurously non-partisan standards to their work since forever. it's this administration that we suddenly see clearly departing from and abandoning this long-held practice, inserting partisan players into every niche of government they possibly can. and marginalizing those who aren't (or aren't enough so; to whit, colin powell and that woman who ran epa whose name simply escapes me at the moment). yet another standard by which to measure the perversity of the current regime. you're definitely right about the smear being totally sleazy, though. the really pathetic thing is that until just a couple weeks ago, those in the media who weren't lionizing him were very few, and almost impossible to hear i must admit that a big part of me is pretty cynical about the investigation. fitzgerald was the district attorney to illinois before his current assignment, where he spearheaded the anti-corruption prosecutions. there were aspects of the proces which just didn't square. thus my skeptical attitude towards his supposed incorruptible, take-no-prisoners, law-and-order reputation. then again, maybe this had to do with the fact that he didn't have the kind of powers that he enjoys now, as a special prosecutor; he's not really accountable to anybody. and nobody really has any idea how much he knows about this case. so i'm trying not to jump to any conclusions at this point. -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: I don't think many people really get it was Re: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove
the odds are definitely in his favor. look at what happened to that other long-time close friend of bush's whose name (we won't mention it) is synonymous with the big scandal of bush's first term. and even if he is prosecuted, he has the precedent of that other leaker's plea-bargain. so he goes to club fed for a year, then gets out and writes a book about how enduring house arrest on his estate is even worse than prison. that is, if dubya hasn't pardoned him in the first place. is this country great or what? it's not really about that, though. they all know they've got no reason to worry about their personal security. it's such a big story because it supposedly might signal the end of the republican party's hegemony because in the people's eyes they've 'gone too far' or 'gotten too arrogant.' perhaps. but they aren't really worried about that either. they've achieved their goals; the damage is already done. they can all retire to the private sector, richer than god, and spend the rest of their lives laughing their asses off as they undermine efforts to repair the damage they've done. -chris The more things change, the more they remain the same. Rove is likely to go nowhere for the next two years, even if prosecuted. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: CUMMINS B5.9TD
is it the assertion, then, that running b100 would yield a 40% loss in power? In a message dated 7/16/05 8:22:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Second, biodiesel has a lower heating value than Petro diesel, therefore the higher the biodiesel blend the lower the available power from the engine. Most vehicles with B5.9 diesel are substantially overpowered so the driver may not notice the 2% loss of power with a B5 blend, but it will become more noticeable as the ratio is increased. As I said many of the vehicles, especially pickups are overpowered for the job they do, so you it would likely not be bothered unless you are street racing or pulling a large (heavy) trailer through the mountains. But once again as a company Cummins is in the position that if the sell a 305 Hp engine and the customers tend to expect to get 305 Hp regardless of what fuel they chose to put in the tank. regards, -chris ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Article on Marx from www.commondreams.org
huh, that was a nice little piece (i liked that expression, market fundamentalism). truly, the best indicator of the relevance of socialist thought in general, and the accuracy and penetrating insight of marx's thesis in particular, is the immense intellectual capital invested over decades--in fact, still being invested--to discredit and demonize him and deconstruct and disprove his analysis. not to mention the vast human and financial capital invested in discrediting and disenfranchising, or if necessary eliminating those who espoused his 'theory' (be they individuals, organizations, governments or whole economies). and despite it all, this 'newfound relevance.' a perfect example of the power of ideas. Growing biofuels crops has the same difficulty - if we leave it to them we'll have wall-to-wall industrialised GMO monocrops with huge fossil-fuel insputs. . . . lol and outputs if they can help it. somehow i see them engineering (or trying their darnedest to engineer) a crop which synthesizes petroleum, rather than meddle with biofuels crops. -chris b. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Burning glycerol for heat / Acrolein
hi rich. i'm not a chemist or engineer. anything beyond the very general and hypothetical comments i made previously are beyond me. this line of inquiry raises so many questions which i really don't consider myself competent to comment on (and therefore didn't). keith is right about how volatile and dangerous nitro is. you can't store nitro on board and expect to keep it stable. surely a spontaneous explosion of the nitro while still in the reaction chamber would be inevitable. i think more of a binary fuel-type approach would be called for. thus my suggestion of synthesis and combustion in the same chamber (i.e. the cylinder). and again, i wouldn't know how to guage the feasibility or practicality of this. after all, depending on the engine, we're talking about maintaining anywhere from about 10-20 on up to 50-60 reaction/combustion cycles per cylinder per second under normal operating conditions. -chris b. In a message dated 7/18/05 10:04:06 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There might be a pre-combustion chamber where a spark would be set to the glycerin/nitrox mixture, to create the nitroglycerin, then the nitroglycerin would be sent to the engine to be burned. Would the design be feasible and realistic? ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove
hi bud, this question of whether plame was or was not a covert operative, has already been circulating for at least a week. frankly, it smacks of the typical obfuscation and counter-fingerpointing tactics that these jerk-offs use all the time. i was unable to download the article you linked to, but there are huge ambiguities in the paragraph you cited: -who are these 'experts' that were consulted? is it specifically stated in the letter of the law that the assignment must be. . .long-term? if not, how many experts would argue to the contrary? -does the usa today article assert unequivocally that the law did not apply to plame as of the date of Novak's column? are they basing this merely on wilson's numerous references? -how many references are numerous? do they go into detail sufficient to conclude that plame had no further covert assignments after 1997? -suppose plame *were* given covert assignments since 1997. are we to assume that wilson would have casually made reference to this in his book (my wife had just returned from a wet works operation in venezuela. . . .)? or is it possible, since he couldn't just blurt out the fact that his wife was an undercover cia operative, that he inserted false details in his book? i highly doubt that conclusions about plame's status as an agent can be drawn from anything that is public record. nevertheless, it's certainly possible that rove did not break that particular law. that's up to prosecutor fitzgerald (a republican) to decide. would he have chewed up so much time and public resources pursuing an investigation that was based on a false premise? well, that too is possible. i don't share the widely held view of fitzgerald as a tough, independent, non-partisan law-and-order type. so, only time will tell what comes of the investigation. but this doesn't mean that rove didn't break other laws. there are very strict protocols that must be followed when revealing the identities (or activities IIRC) of intelligence personnel, and it seems pretty clear that rove did not (follow them). and, as you so rightly point out, that doesn't change the fact that the whole thing is a disgrace (well, i suppose it's a 'dis' race, too lol). cheers, -chris b. ---BeginMessage--- While I do agree that the cover up by the Whitehouse is a disgrace and the Bush smear campaign that started all this is unacceptable, Rove probably did not break any laws. Plame was not undercover at the time the column was printed and had not been since 1997. Apparently, ambassador Joseph Wilson and his future wife both returned from overseas assignments in June 1997 From http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-07-14-cia-wilson_x.htm The column's date is important because the law against unmasking the identities of U.S. spies says a covert agent must have been on an overseas assignment within the last five years. The assignment also must be long-term, not a short trip or temporary post, two experts on the law say. Wilson's book makes numerous references to the couple's life in Washington over the six years up to July 2003. What do others think? Regards, Bud - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 17, 2005 7:32 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Turd Blossom aka Karl Rove 'Turd Blossom' in full flower: Traitor in the White House July 15, 2005 By Bill Press http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45290 Nixon had Watergate. Reagan, Contragate. Clinton, Monicagate. Now George W. Bush has own scandal: Turdgate. Named after Karl Rove, the top White House aide whom Bush calls Turd Blossom - a term of endearment unique to Texas. It started in January 2003, when President Bush, using his State of the Union address to build a case for war in Iraq, accused Saddam Hussein of shopping for yellowcake uranium in Niger. Bush's dishonesty was revealed in July by former Ambassador Joseph Wilson. Writing in the New York Times, Wilson reported that he'd been sent to Africa by the CIA, before the speech, to investigate the yellowcake claim and came back and reported it was bogus. An embarrassed White House had to admit Bush was wrong. That's when the Bush smear machine kicked in. Eight days later, citing sources at the White House, columnist Bob Novak charged that Wilson was not to be taken seriously because he'd actually been sent to Niger by his wife, CIA employee Valerie Plame. The next week, Matt Cooper wrote a follow-up piece for Time magazine, also based on anonymous White House sources. Judith Miller researched, but did not publish, an article for the New York Times. That might look like business as usual. Only one problem. In this case, the leak blew the cover of an undercover CIA agent working on weapons of mass destruction. That's a federal crime. A special prosecutor was named to investigate who in the Bush White House broke the law. For two years, Turd
