Re: [Biofuel] Chlorine gas..was Separating Glycerine/FFA
Ammonia and bleach when combined and heated releases phosgene, once used as a warfare chemical. doug swanson Alt.EnergyNetwork wrote: Hello, chlorine gas can be very dangerous and deadly if inhaled in sufficient quantities. You may have made some accidentally by mixing ammonia with bleach or cleaning up cat urine with bleach. It is a yellowish green gas with a pungent, eye searing odour...not good Clean-up underway after 150,000 flee gas leak http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-04/18/content_324262.htm Gas leak kills 3 in Beijing http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-04/22/content_325229.htm Risky Chlorine Gas in Water Treatment http://www.clo2.com/reading/waternews/chlorine.html Dosing units reduce the risk of chlorine-gas leakage http://www.engineeringnews.co.za/eng/features/sewage/?show=64311 Get your daily alternative energy news Alternate Energy Resource Network http://www.alternate-energy.net 1000+ news sources - resources updated daily next_generation_grid http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums tomorrow-energy http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ---Original Message--- From: Jason and Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Separating Glycerine/FFA Sent: 31 Oct '05 04:19 - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sodium chloride is table salt. Chlorine is the yellow gas you're talking about I think. You can get it from sodium chloride by electrolyzing saltwater, or mixing sodium hypochlorite with lye aparrently, but it's not all that dangerous by itself. Chlorine gas was some of the other materials besides mustard gas that was used in WWI in the chemical artillery shells. if you think it isnt all that bad, try reading some of the medical reports of affected soldiers, or even the scientific studies that developed the ideas behind chemical warfare. chlorine gas is one of the reasons chemical warfare is subject to such a heavy retribution in the international community. if you dont think its dangerous, by all means try it, then lets see how you fare. --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant
Try lower case characters in the link, some browsers are more easily confused than others... ;) doug swanson malcolm maclure wrote: Keith, That link doesn't seem to work, Google recognises it but it won't load for me, shame - I'd be interested to see it. Best regards Malcolm -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Keith Addison Sent: 20 October 2005 18:28 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Fwd: Vegetable oil for machining coolant Can anyone help Pat Delany with this interesting project? His website is here: http://Multimachine.net/ The MULTIMACHINE Works! -- build your own machine shop Thanks, best wishes Keith Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:05:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Pat Delany [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Vegetable oil for machining coolant To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Kieth I have the site Multimachine.net and I run the Yahoo group multimachine. We have developed and built an All-in-One Machine Shop that is meant to be used in developing countries. The machine can can do all the kinds of operations that a regular machine shop does and can be totally built from the remains of a discarded truck and car. It requires no outside machining and takes just regular hand tools, a drill and a gringer to complete. We lack only a few things in the tooling department before the project can be said to be finished (if anything like this ever is). One of these things is a coolant to be used during drilling and milling. Could vegetable oil,lye and water, or something similar work? One of our group members thought that you would be the person to ask because of your experience witk bio-diesel. Pat Delany ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Copper tubing and methanol
So I guess I ought to rethink my design for a still to reclaim my methanol from the glycerine byproduct. I've just filled a small drum, and was thinking of getting into separating my methanol back. Thought I had everything almost in place. Back to START... doug swanson Manick Harris wrote: Hello Bobby, Copper coils are used for oxidation of methanol to formaldehyyde which itself will oxidise further. if you are selecting stainless steel ignore initial higher as it is the appropriate material to use and it will be more economical long term. Air conditioner cooling tubes made of copper corroded within a few months in formic acidic environment at a factory here in malaysia. In my experience SS316 will be fine. Cheers, Manickh */Bobby Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED]/* wrote: Kurt, I've read that copper causes biodiesel to oxidize so the copper tubing is probably out. The reason I looked this up is because i have considered using a 50 gallon water heater as my processor, but the cheaper models have copper heating elements. The higher end ones have stainless steel heating elements, but they cost nearly twice as much on the preliminary research I have done. Oh, by the way I found a methanol supplier in Anderson that sells methanol in gallon quantities for $3.50. If you are interested let me know and I'll give you the phone number. Good luck! Bobby ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Yahoo! Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://pa.yahoo.com/*http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=36035/*http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Resource windfall!
I've gotten a couple of submersible pump ends (heads?) from a well drilling outfit that regularly replaces pumps that die after getting hit by lightning. Only the motor dies, and they had a pile for me to hunt through. Didn't notice anything for above ground, since that wasn't what I was looking for. You may have a similar resource where you live. I'd guess that above ground pumps can suffer the same fate, though I hear of the pump end of the above ground pumps going out first in the winter, water freezing and bursting the pump. doug swanson And does anyone know where I can just by pump heads, not full blown pumps? Peace out -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Keith I think you have a virus.....
A bit of research on this particular virus indicates that it will spoof the sender's address, and the virus is more likely on a system that has Keith's address in its address book. doug swanson Joe Street wrote: Hi Keith; I got the following warning form symantec about a message I recieved from you. Was this message in response to the email I sent last week regarding the new biodiesel process? Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Symantec AntiVirus found a virus in an attachment from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Attachment: body.zip Threat: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Action taken: Quarantine succeeded File status: Infected The message contains Unicode characters and has been sent as a binary attachment. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Keith I think you have a virus.....
Looks like the bug's about to bite you! (as in opening doors to another world...!) I've enjoyed this post, and can feel your excitement. My 3rd full size (25 gallon) batch is washing quietly at this moment... Another possible option of buying methanol at retail, but still at a lower cost, If there are any truck stops, or mechanics that work on big rigs, or auto parts stores that carry materials for them, look into brake line drier (moisture absorbent). The jug I looked at indicates that it is methanol, but the jug was less than a gallon, and $8.00. This in an auto parts store. The other possible sources mentioned above may give you a better deal. doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: Hi all Well I am finally ready to try a mini test batch, yipee! This is an excerpt from my morning newsletter. The names have been changed to protect the innocent, hehe. As I was leaving work I remembered that it was Thursday and if I was to try my first batch of biodiesel this weekend I needed to get some lye from the hardware store before it closed. They didn't carry Red Devil Lye, the preferred product, but they did have several bottles of caustic soda crystals under the brand name of Roto. I read the ingredients several times and happily paid the clerk the $3.99 and out the door I went. Lye without methanol would be like clapping with one hand I am told by the biodieselers. Where was I going to get methanol? On down the street to the auto parts store with renewed confidence I went. I had found what I hoped was a suitable substitute for the first ingredient while the store was shutting off the overhead lights. Into the parts store and a bee-line for the liquids. On the shelf where the fuel line de-icers were was several bottles of Heet. Checking the ingredients I spied the words, Contains methyl alcohol. This is the stuff, methanol. I spent a whopping $2.00 more (2 little bottles) and off I went with everything I need to begin my first mini test batch of biodiesel. So now I hear from Hugh in Los Lunas, by Albuquerque that he has a 55 gallon drum and pump for mineral oil. Yes, yes Hugh this is perfect, please save it for me. Bring it next time you come up this way. Also, Eric said he has a fairly decent chemistry setup left over from a friend's pipe dream project which never saw the light of day. Beakers and heaters and things I don't recall the names of. Please, please pretty please folks do save anything you have for lab work. Let me get these mini-test batches under my belt and I will begin to work out just what my biodiesel lab will need to get this process geared up. Another friend Rand has offered help as well. I thank you all. This newsletter is so very rewarding. I do a bunch of research while I keep this chronicle posted to you all and we come together with the stuff to make it all come about. Oh yeah, I took the time to go eat lunch yesterday afternoon at my favorite restaurant, Little Moon (Chinese American buffet). As I was paying the bill I saw the owner behind the counter. I introduced myself and asked what they did with their WVO (waste veggie oil)? He said his name was Tony and he didn't do anything with the used fryer oil and he definitely did not throw it in the dumpster. Ok I said we might be able to help each other out. How much WVO does the restaurant produce in a week? He said he just got rid of all that he had (not on the parking lot) but if I was to come back in one week, he should have five, five gallon containers full. Holy Teriyaki Batman! Did I just hit the jackpot? No wonder their food is so tasty, five gallons of grease per day? Far be it for me to question the goose with the golden eggs. If this pans out like the owner of this restaurant suggests, I have a source for oil that will be enough for me to create twenty gallons per week of fuel for my diesel car! Only the cost of labor, energy to heat the processor drums and the methanol. This latter is going to be the tough one to source out. Race tracks sell methanol but we don't have a race track. I understand that the gulf coast area is where to get methanol from. I have heard it sells for less than two dollars per gallon in Louisiana. It might cost the home brew biodiesel producer $5.00 to $7.00 per gallon if the source wants to price gouge. How much methanol will I need? Near as I can figure, 120ml of methanol to 1-liter of WVO. Some of the methanol is recoverable. By the way, many of you have heard that biodiesel can harm your engine. Methanol mixed with lye makes sodium methoxide, very caustic stuff. You don't want to be putting any of that in your gas tank. If you have been following my biodiesel process, you will see that several wash cycles are used. Litmus paper is employed to make certain the ph of the biodiesel is neutral before we put it in the tank. So there it is. I am stoked and more than ready to get on with it. Brian Rodgers
Re: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors????
In my household of one, recovering the heat in my grey water is as simple as leaving the plug in until the water has reached room temperature before draining sinks or tub/shower. In a larger family size situation, I can see how spacing out showers in the morning before getting the entire horde off to work and school, allowing water to cool in place would really be a waste of everyone's time, and throw the schedule off! For my situation however, this works, and for no additional expense. doug swanson John Hall wrote: Jim, There are commercial grey water heat recovery systems out there. They recover 50% to 75% of the heat going down your drain, largely while taking showers. According to the DOE studies conducted. Check http://www.gfxtechnology.com/ There is one other company that makes a similar product for about the same price of $375 and there are tax incentives for these. I do not agree that they would not be worth it for the money since most homes use about 30% of their energy bill heating water. This should cut that about in half. Regards; John -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JJJN Sent: Monday, October 10, 2005 8:15 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Grey water heat recovery and low tech Solar collectors Hi folks, I was looking for some ways to help save some energy this winter. I found two places that may help, but I know nothing about either and wonder if it is worth the investment or not. They are: 1) Solar collectors 2) Grey water heat going down the drain Can anyone give me some pointers in these two areas? Thanks in advance Jim Wisdom to all ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 55 Gallon Drum Seal
Similar problem here, though I've processed a couple of batches without the seal. The barrels I got had foodstuffs in them, and the seal was a sort of foam that doesn't hold up in methanol fumes. I'm going to try making a continuous rope of the correct circumference (continuous rope = http://www.bhi.co.uk/hints/rope.htm )and coating it with a silicon rubber. Then lay it into the groove, and when the silicone is nearly solid, set the lid onto the barrel to fit the seal. If it works, I'll let you know. :) doug swanson Ken Dunn wrote: Hi all, I found a source for lots of 55 gallon drums at a low rate however, he doesn't have the seals. Are these available? Anybody know where I could find them. I'm suppose I could make a seal if necessary but, I'd much prefer a real one. I'm not having a lot of luck finding drums with seals. Thanks, Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Peugeot 505 four cylinder turbo charged diesel vehicle!?
Congratulations on the new car! From my experience, if I were in your shoes, and looking at a foggy day, I'd be thinking twice about mixing my methoxide today, the NaOH will turn to liquid before you can blink, drawing water out of the air. (That might clear out the fog) Instead, I guess I'd be getting into the cooling system of the new toy, check to see that the thermostat is opening properly at the temperature it is supposed to, (this can be done with the cap off the radiator in most any car I've ever been under the hood of, you can see the water start to flow when the thermostat opens and allows the water pump to circulate water through the radiator.) This method can let you know if your radiator is in need of flushing too. The next step, if you see no water flowing, would be to remove the thermostat, and drop it in hot water. Heat the water, preferably with a thermometer in the water, and when the water reaches the temperature stamped into the thermostat, check the thermostat, and see if it has opened. If it has, you can reinstall it, but know that you might need a new gasket, or alternatively, blue glue to make a new gasket. Then there are the possibilities that the water pump isn't up to par anymore, or that there is blockage either in the engine, the radiator, or both. One could assume that pressure buildup in the cooling system is from over temperature, but There's also a chance that your fluids aren't staying where they're supposed to. Generally you'd see water in the oil, but I can imagine that it could go the other direction too, but either of these conditions can be seen by looking at the dipstick (see mayonnaise?) or in the radiator. (see oil floating at the top?) Anything beyond these simple examinations and diagnostics would leave me in the dark, unless new clues became obvious while looking through the above steps. Good luck with it, and may all your repairs be the cheapest and easiest fix it could be! doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Advice on finding a milk pastuerizer?
Indeed... I'd be a lactovegetarian, if I could find unpasteurized milk. It seems odd that Americans, being one of the top consumers of milk on the planet also have the highest occurence of osteoporosis. My suspicion, (I have no scientific proof) is that the pasteurization process makes the calcium unavailable for absorption. doug swanson Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, Just curious, but why would you want one? Raw milk sells for 25% to 50% more in Texas than pasteurized. Bright Blessings, Kim At 08:15 PM 10/2/2005, you wrote: A long time ago in a land far away my extended family raised Holsteins and had a 2,000 gallon milk pastuerizer. I have seen them as small 30 gallons. Anyone have any idea where I might find a 50 - 100 gallons device? Ebay has been pretty fruitless. I could go to Va, WV, MD or DE for pickup. -Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye - Roebic-Heet
I spent an hour trying to beat the price of methanol that I bought last time, from a race car enthusiast, who sold it to me for $3.50 / gallon. I called the local fuel / oil distributor, who has quite a monopoly in this small town, and his prices reflect that fact. Their current pricing is $349. plus tax for a 55 gallon drum, or $7.00 per gallon. Upon calling other nearby towns, I found it to be quite unavailable at other similar types of suppliers. (one receptionist was actually quite cold in her response, I assume the boss warned her about the druggie types that might be calling... Who knows...) So I guess I'm back to getting it from the race car enthusiast. Last time I bought it, I got 10 gallons, I've been sharing it, with a neighbor who has farm equipment, another neighbor who has a diesel Suburban, and using it myself in my diesel Datsun pickup. The 50 gallons I made with 10 gallons of methanol has lasted all of us over 2 months, (I'm the only one running more than B20, just been adding B100 to whatever is in the tank, my full tank is now close to 85% BD. and no evidence of rubber decomposition...) The Lye was made available to me through an industrial soap manufacturer in this small town, I've used about 1/3 of a gallon jug of the dry beads. Didn't weigh the jug full, so I can't say exactly how much I've used. On another note, I gave a friend a couple of gallons last week end, and he tried mixing it with kerosene for a heater that looks like a torpedo, or jet engine. (wish I could tell you what he calls it.) He reports that it burned well, good heat, smells like food, and no kerosene odor at all... doug swanson Brian Rodgers wrote: this sounds like good advice On 10/3/05, Derick Giorchino [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi as I figure this is almost $10.50 a gal I get mine at a fuel oil supplier at $2.35 that's including the taxes. So this brings me back to the original question. How much lye and methanol is the average biodieseler using per week? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Red Devil Lye
OK, I'm curious... I've not bought methanol at a dollar store before, what quantity to you get for .69? doug swanson Mike Weaver wrote: Depending on how much you want to make you can buy dry gas (methanol) - I get it for .69 at a dollar store and Red Devil Lye at the hardware store. -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] There's no proof of global warming
I'm still trying to get to the sites listed in this post. is everyone else able to get to them? Just trying to go to http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/ times out. doug swanson Jerry Eyers wrote: What did the photos show? In the late 1960's, it was a beautiful blue sphere, clear atmoshpere, very nice. Now, there is a smokey white smudge over everything. There is no nice, clean, blue ball anymore, just a smokey, murkey haze all the time. Compare this picture (apollo 7 docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=AS7browsepage=Gohitsperpage=20pageno=1photoId=AS07-03-1531 With this picture (space shuttle docking with satellite): http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?searchpage=trueselections=STS77browsepage=Gohitsperpage=10pageno=3photoId=s77e5069 And look at the earth in the background. Jerry ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Ch 7 10PM News out of Boise
And the magnetized exhaust keeps on sticking to the inside of your muffler... Arrrgh... Mike Weaver wrote: I have a device that costs 39.99 and will give you 400MPG! You hook it around your fuel line and it magnetizes the fuel as it goes by... Order Now!! Cash Only. Jeromie Reeves wrote: My wife came home from work today talking about Channel 7 news out of Boise. It seams they had a segment with a person who installed a WVO processor in there pick-up (at a cost of 3000$ USD) and got 300 MPG. They still needed to start the vehicle on dino. Can anyone shed some light on this as a Google search came back with less then nothing. I find it very hard to believe this is true (tho that never stopped the news before). Jeromie ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Flat Panel Solar Hot Water Collector
A scientific approach to this would be to eliminate the variables that can be eliminated, and keep records of those that can't be eliminated. For example, measuring ambient temperatures and comparing those to the temperatures in the collector will let you know to some degree what your insulation is doing for you. Taking internal temperatures without removing the heat, (not pumping water through your tubes) will let you know what max temp you might expect, all else being equal. (Length of time the sun is insoling at a beneficial angle, ambient temp, insulation value...) Some numbers in the basic setup will then indicate how quickly you might want or need to pump your coolant through the tubes to draw the heat from your collector. Then you might adjust your input for those low angle incident rays by mounting a reflector that will redirect reflected rays back into your collector. The area of your collection surface will determine the maximum kWh capacity of your panel. A search using your location and the term insolation will likely return you some very useful data. Duane Johnson has a huge website dealing with, among other things, solar energy. Great numbers of links will guide you through any aspect of your endeavors. His site is at http://www.redrok.com/main.htm Good luck, doug swanson Ken Dunn wrote: Also, does anyone know what would be considered a good difference in outlet water temperature? For testing purposes, If I'm using water starting at 70F, what should I strive for? I plan to use an indirect system with non-toxic anti-freeze, so, I shouldn't be working with temps as low as 70F anyway but... I found 2 double paned sliding glass door panels today. I can build the boxes and experiment with the 2 side by side until I come up with the best combination but, at what temp should I begin to see diminishing returns? Also, could I expect anti-freeze temps to be able pushed higher than water alone? That's of course, provided that I can attain temperatures that high anyway. Thanks everyone, Take care, Ken ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar technique could lead to cleaner, cheaper hydrogen
I recall that chemistry experiment, (also works with potassium), both metals were kept under oil to prevent oxidation. They're very unstable metals, and not found on earth in their pure forms. Hence the question becomes: How much energy does it take to purify the metal, and once this is considered, is the production of H2 still cheap? doug swanson bmolloy wrote: Hi All, This thread intrigued, so much so that I posted it around among friends for comment. One said that sodium was the answer to generating cheap hydrogen. The exchange as follows. Any comment, anyone? Regards, Bob. Sodium pill? What? How? Tell me more. Very little to tell. Sixty-four years ago, in school chemistry, I learnt, but did not see (because our school didn't have a lab) that if you threw a small piece of sodium metal into a jar of water you got an explosive reaction in which nascent hydrogen was formed. Na + H2O = NaOH + H ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Selling Biodiesel
The biggest determining factor in this, I suppose, is your location. US laws are going to be different from Mexico's, are different from Canada's... Your email address indicates you might be located in the US, but that's not conclusive either. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do I need any special permits to resell the biodiesel that I make at home? What about selling to farmers which is for off road use only. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Can this man save the world? (Hydrogen injection)
So you're adding Hydrogen and Oxygen to the intake, ensuring cleaner burn... Guess I can see that, but if the engine is still burning gasoline or diesel, the carbon from these molecules has to go somewhere, but the statement: greatly increasing efficiency and reducing fuel consumption by 10 to 40 per cent - and pollutants by up to 100 per cent. Makes me wonder where the pollutants went... doug swanson Marty Phee wrote: http://www.canada.com/montreal/montrealgazette/news/story.html?id=cfeb17de-d945-4db4-87a6-090911200e96page=1 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Filtering?
I tried pumping the fuel through an inline fuel filter, (mine's a clear plastic case, so I can see the fuel flow, and watch the filter catch stuff...) but the salesman at the auto parts store was unable to give me the micron number that this filter will screen. However, another system he showed me (says he uses it for his own fuel, dinodiesel) has exchangeable filters, standard pipe fitting threads, (larger diameter, better flow) for about $25. Then there, next to it was another that includes a water trap, for $10 more. My settling tank is a translucent plastic, and rather than pump fuel out, I submerged a weighted hose to nearly the bottom of the tank, sealed the tank, and pumped air into the tank. This forced the fuel up the hose, and through the filter. I know that I'd rather pump fuel out, using a pump designed to move liquid, but on my budget, I had to work with what was sitting in the stuff that will become useful one day pile. doug swanson Sami Vastela wrote: Hello First test patches burned well in my central heating boiler :-) How important is filtering before prosessing, and what kind of filters you are using? 2 litres test patch went through coffee filter, but it's quite slow. So I'm intereste how to filter 80 litres of WVO? Sami ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Morality test for you all
We did? Looks like my vote got ignored yet again. I'd choose the black and white, color film leaves nothing for the imagination... doug Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hey Malcolm, we have got this one alredy a while ago and we came to the consensus that we would save the Bastard if he would promiss to get out of politics an recluses him self in a far away Mountainmonastry and keep quiet there! F.F. - Original Message - *From:* malcolm maclure mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2005 3:06 PM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Morality test for you all This is a tough one Check this - Morality Test: This test only has one question, but it's a very important one. By giving an honest answer, you will discover where you stand morally. The test features an unlikely, completely fictional situation in which you will have to make a decision. Remember that your answer needs to be honest, yet spontaneous. Please scroll down slowly and give due consideration to each line. You are in Florida, Miamito to be specific. There is chaos all around you caused by a hurricane with severe flooding. This is a flood of biblical proportions. You are a photojournalist working for a major newspaper, and you're caught in the middle of this epic disaster. The situation is nearly hopeless. You're trying to shoot career-making photos. There are houses and people swirling around you, some disappearing under the water. Nature is unleashing all of its destructive fury. Suddenly you see a man floundering in the water. He is fighting for his life, trying not to be taken down with the debris. You move closer... somehow the man looks familiar. You suddenly realize who it is. It's George W. Bush! At the same time you notice that the raging waters are about to take him under ... forever. You have two options--you can save the life of G.W. Bush or you can shoot a dramatic Pulitzer Prize winning photo, documenting the death of one of the world's most powerful men. So here's the question, and please give an honest answer:
[Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
from the site: http://www.uwsp.edu/geo/faculty/ritter/geog101/textbook/atmosphere/atmospheric_composition_p2.html Methane Methane (CH4) is a greenhouse gas contributing about 18% to global warming and has been on the rise over the last several decades. Methane is a product of the decomposition of organic matter, with major natural sources being that which occurs in wetlands and termites. A major source of methane is from termites. Termites eat wood and produce methane as a result of the breakdown of cellulose in their digestive tracts. They are thought to be responsible for 20% to 40% of the methane in the atmosphere. The clearing of the rainforests greatly impact termite populations and in turn the methane content of the atmosphere. When a patch of rainforest is cleared, termite populations explode due to the ample food source that is left behind. My mind begins to buzz at the thought of feeding bugs wood, and bottling their exhaust. This is yet another possible bit of data to consider when working out the gasification of wood. -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wood cellulose breakdown, termites, and methane
Not yet... still Googling through the termites=bad:methane=bad sites. Zeke Yewdall wrote: What if we could use the methane/air mixture as it was generated by the termites, rather than storing it? Does anyone have some back of the envelope calculations for how much BTU/hr content you could get from a given sized pile of wood filled with termites? On 9/16/05, Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Des. First, there is a need to separate the oxigen from the gases of the atmosphere before bottling their exhaust or it is a route for trouble with sparks. Regards. Juan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] wind and current power
the URL is www.otherpower.com ashok vora wrote: Dear All, I suggest to visit website www.oterpowers.com for getting good basic knowledge of wind power and its application. Thanks A.P.VORA --- Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sep 12, 2005, at 11:07 AM, Leon Hulett wrote: I did a tiny proposal to Cal Edison in California back in the 80s on Wind Energy Systems in the Jet Stream to see if they were interested. I had visited their Solar One Site and thought they might like to do something with wind. What would you like to know? Well...uh...everything, really. But the prevailing wisdom was that Victorian scientists were the last individuals able to encompass all of human knowledge. Kind of eurocentric racism, I 'spose. And our Victorian grandfathers (and grandmothers) were the last individuals able to encompass a complete set of skills. As far as high altitude wind power extraction, we'd probably all like to hear as much as you're willing to tell. Can the proposal or elements of it be made public? I suspect JTF would be happy to host anything on the subject that stands up to scrutiny. Actually no Taryn. In fact there isn't anything about wind at Journey to Forever. (Nor micro-hydro, nor nor nor...) If there were it would be village-level stuff, Appropriate Technology gear that small communities could make and operate on their own. Best wishes Keith Taryn http://ornae.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Giving up
Brent S wrote: well, I have found a batch of oil that won't sepparate. I have heated it to 220f to make sure there isn't any water in it. It has been at 220f for an hour or so with no boiling. I have titrated it several times with a result of 5. I have made test batches at 5, 7, 8, 9 and 10 grams per litre with no sepparation, just a light brown soup that jells when it cools. the oil itself seams to stay quite thick up to 120-130f. Is there anything that could be in the oil to make it do this? Brent In a situation like this, I'd probably eliminate variables... Use virgin oil for a test batch, make up a fresh batch of NaOH titration solution, find out if the methanol is pure, the NaOH is still NaOH, not contaminated with CO2 or water, and see if separation happens correctly. doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Thanks to Keith, Mike is a Cretan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am from Crete also. I go for a walk to knossos almost everyday, nice to hear about this... Stelios Terzakis The real Cretan... So I looked it up in the dictionary, and there _are_ 2 spellings for this. With completely different meanings and origins. I thought Mike was being called a cretin: Pronunciation: 'krE-t^ n Function: /noun/ Etymology: French /crétin, /from French dialect /cretin, /literally, wretch, innocent victim, from Latin /christianus /Christian *1* *:* one afflicted with cretinism *2* *:* a stupid, vulgar, or insensitive person *: *CLOD, LOUT - cre·tin·ous / -t^ n-s/ adjective When actually the word was Cretan:/ / Pronunciation: 'krEt Variant(s): or Greek Krí·ti /'krE-tE/ Usage: geographical/ /name island Greece in the E Mediterranean capital Iráklion area/ /3189 square/ /miles/ /(8260 square/ kilometers),/ population/ /536,980 - Cre·tan /'krE-t^ n/ adjective or noun/ /shamelessly borrowed from the m-w.com site doug/ /swanson/ / -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] MENTOR NEEDED IN ALABAMA
virgil sentel wrote: I'm a newbie here and I live in Ozark, Al. (near Dothan). I'm getting ready to make a test batc soon was wondering if there was anyone living in the L.A. (lower Alabama) area who could mentor (guide) me through this when I start to make the processors. Also I was told today by a friend that races that methanol is only avalible localy in 55 gal. drums. He can get me a gal to start for 25.00 is this agood price? any elp here would be appreciated. If a gallon of methanol will make 5 gallons of biodiesel, and you've paid $25.00 for your gallon of methanol, then, not including the cost of the sodium hydroxide, and any electricity you use, and the cost of your time, you'll essentially be paying $5.00 for each gallon of Biodiesel. Nope, doesn't sound like a good price. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Is this fraud?
Busyditch wrote: I dont think this guy realizes how fraudulent his ad is. This is NOT biodiesel, just WVO and dino mixed. http://cgi.ebay.com/Bio-Diesel-Biodiesel-Kit-Fuel-for-15-cents-a-gallon_W0QQitemZ5997737337QQcategoryZ3240QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem For the asking price, he could include the drill... doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Deacidification
Ian Theresa Sims wrote: Hi Folks I have tried the deacidification method with good results in the test batch. However when I heat the oil to process it foams agressivly. I assume this is the water/lye reacting? It leaves a thick layer of fat/soap? which i skim off leaving good oil, titration of 1ml instead of 7mls. For want of a better phrase, is this normal? Cheers Ian There shouldn't be any water in your oil when you're reacting. Oil and lye (+methanol) = biodiesel... Oil and water and lye (+methanol)=soap. Either heat your oil to drive out the water, or let it sit and settle longer, then pump from the top of this reserve into your processor, leaving the water at the bottom of the reserve tank. When reacting, water is the enemy. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
Thanks for the info. I've read it, downloaded the study reports, read them, and passed them and your email on to the individual that was looking for this information. Good solid data. I think that with modification of the biodiesel transesterification process the TAN might be reduced, and as B20, looks like a potential reducer of dependence on petro products. Even at 20%, the total amount used by the airline industry would be reduced significantly. The CO(sub)2 numbers are impressive! Certainly worth further study and experimentation Thanks again! doug swanson Alan Petrillo wrote: Greg and April wrote: The short answer is no. The short answer is _yes_. Baylor University did some testing with B20 in their Beech King Air 90, and found that it did just fine. The report was available at the biodiesel.org website for a while, but I can't find it just now. A Google search of the site produced this: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19981001_gen-106.pdf Purdue University also did some testing on aviation fuel, and the report is available here: http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/19950601_gen-144.pdf Keep in mind, turbines are, almost by definition, multifuel engines. As long as it doesn't overheat their burn units turbines don't care what they're running on. You should see the list of alternate fuels for the OH-58 scout helicopters I flew in the Army! -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] B100 and jet fuel
A neighbor who recently retired from the airline industry has been asking me lately if there's a biofuel that can be substituted for jet fuel, and although I didn't know at the time, I've done some research since, and see that jet fuel is a variant of diesel. Any one out there know what kind of variant jet fuel is of diesel, (I seem to understand that it resembles kerosene) and can jet fuel be grown? doug swanson (in Ellijay, GA, not far from Atlanta GA, where gas prices spiked up to $6.00/gal. for a few hours yesterday) -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Alternative batteries
Brian Rodgers wrote: A friend who coincidentally thinks I am a nut job, said he made a system back in the 'old days' in which a small water turbine powered by a small stream pumped water into a storage tank as well as generate electricity. Somehow this system was augmented with a small wind generator. He said that when the wind wasn't blowing water was released from the tank through the turbine turning the generator generating electricity. Sorry my brain is not completely clear on the details of these two systems. More than likely he was talking two different systems. The point that I thought was notable is that he used a water tank to store energy. Filling the tank when energy was there, either through solar, wind or hydraulic. Brian With an open top, added rain could bring up the efficiency ratios! (Have to cover it when the sun is trying to evaporate it though... Oh well) doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Solar panals or wind
Garth Kim Travis wrote: Greetings, I am a fan of using solar collectors to fire a stirling engine that can also be fired with methane. Small solar panels for stuff that is used primarily in the daytime, wind power that can be home repaired. And the generator that is fire by the stirling can be run off the pto of the tractor on biodiesel, or from a tire of the car. Lots of overlap and back up. If one part of the system malfunctions, the meat in the freezer does not thaw. I have yet to figure out how to put a 1/4 of a cow in there at a time.grin Bright Blessings, Kim A system I've been working on, and redesigning throughout the years is going more toward solar heat. A solar concentrator, (reads: recycled 10' diameter satellite dish covered with little squares of mirror salvaged from the glass shop's dumpster) and a Stirling engine are integral, the engine integrating the conversion from solar heat to electricity, but then the question arose, do I really want to be dependent on a system that stores its power in batteries? So the system has shifted to collecting heat, and storing that. Then, draw from that, the energy I need for electricity, and still have heat for water, or home space. And on a medium cloud cover, I can still focus infrared rays and collect heat. Solar panels tend to do less well with clouds. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Religion, Politics Biofuels, and Thanks!
There's been a lot of discussion on this list regarding religions and politics lately; as well as the diversity in the biofuels subjects. (I signed up back when I did, not knowing about other fuels, just looking for more info on biodiesel...) And the expanse of knowledge displayed regarding biofuels has really been an eye-opener. And then, as an added bonus, the international perspectives on the political and religious conditions we find around the world have brought to my awareness information and perspectives that I probably wouldn't have found just by googling, and certainly wouldn't have discovered had I been isolated to the paltry servings of information distributed by the US television nooze programs. I can now clearly see what I only had suspicions about, how closely related politics, big industry, religion, etc. are connected, with at some level or another a main thread that follows through each subject, and that being the energy which is available, and what we are prepared to do (either as individuals or as a collective... country / planet) to obtain our fair share I've wondered at times what kind of demographics this list covers, I know it is international, but it would be interesting to know percentages of folks who are inhabitants of the US, Canada, oil producing countries, oil poor countries, etc. I guess my curiosity stems from the desire to know who is availing themselves of this great information tool... The primary purpose of this post is, I suppose, to first thank Keith for providing this forum for all this variety of discussion, but also those participants who take the time to bring information to the table so that the rest of us, who may not be as fully informed as we wish / thought we were, can get a clearer image of the world around us. Religion and politics develop illusions that separate people, the biofuels list has the ability to bring us back together. Thank you. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN
Sir Woody Hackswell wrote: This is just sad. I can't believe he has the nerve to call himself a Christian. =shudder= Jesus would never advocate the assasination of anyone. He'd be more likely to have him over for dinner and tell parables. :) He's just as crazy as Al Qaida. =sigh= But hey... freedom of speech and all. =shurg= Heh... I've tried to imagine the outcome if Jesus visited the average Christian churches of our present times, dressed in a robe and sandals, long hair and all, and spoke the truth to the gathered people. The congregation would be the same voices he heard 2000 years ago, saying Crucify him! Crucify him! Sad to see how nothing really has changed. doug -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Robertson / Chavez story on CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/08/23/robertson.chavez/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle
Michael Redler wrote: * Photo in the News: Gas Thief Escapes on Tricycle * *August 16, 2005*—Speeding from the scene of the crime, a Chinese boy tows a floating plastic bag of stolen natural gas last week. Flouting a government ban, farmers around the central Chinese town of Pucheng frequently filch gas from the local oil field. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/08/0816_050816_gas_theft.html The rebel in me keeps wanting to say Go! Go! Go! :-) Mike A shame they didn't fuzz out the kid's face... Now the thief's mugshot in the media will make prosecuting him too easy. doug ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] (Biofuel) First real post, help w/ large scale production
Rumen Slavov wrote: Dear Friends, As an electrician I wold propose to use a HV transformer for neon lighting /you can see a lot of it over allmost any restorant entrance/ and a simple HV diodes to make HV into DC. The transformer supply 3000 to 5000 volts.To avoid forming an ark,the electrodes must be kept apart in a distance of 3-4 cm. Have luck! Ross Milan Or similarly, an oil burner (furnace) ignition transformer... I think both of these are also available as switched mode power supplies, which don't spin your electric meter quite as quickly. Generally, the neon sign trafo is going to have a higher voltage, and both rate their currents in milliamps. Microwave oven high voltage transformers also could be used, they aren't usually potted (tar or epoxy filled), and could be rewound to provide the voltage you need. They (IIRC) aren't current limited, and therefore are more lethal... doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] First real post, help w/ large scale production
Joe Street wrote: Ahh ok that makes sense. I thought it must be some exotic type of caustic used in this radical new process! I still think it would be less confusing to just say 'methanol' though ; I am thinking about how I could do a quick test to see what happens. I am guessing that the major factors involve the electrode spacing and voltage or more to the point the field strength in the vicinity of the electrode and possibley the electrode material is very important. As well the flow rate past the electrode or dwell time at the electrode site would have an effect. My reactor uses a recirculation pump and I could insert a tee into the recirc line with an automotive sparkplug as the electrode. The gap is easily adjustable and all I would have to do is cobble a HV circuit together to do a crude trial. I'd like to do it on a smaller scale first though. Maybe I could just dunk the sparkplug into a 50 ml beaker together with oil and methanol and see if any reaction takes place. In the very least I could discover a way to set myself on fire and electrocute myself simultaneously :' Joe From the days of building high voltage toys (tesla coils, etc...) memories of the high voltage capacitor came to mind when this topic first surfaced, and an image formed in my imagination wherein 2 plates, in this case possibly made of a metal mesh to allow liquid to flow through them, are placed parallel to each other, allowing a small gap between them, and when oil (or dielectric, as it would be called in a capacitor) is flowed between the plates, would take a charge from oppositely energized plates. This would allow a greater surface area of contact between the fluid and the energized electrodes, and perhaps make a noticeable change in the oil. Just a thought, might be useful, might trigger someone else's ideas, or it might be more stuff for the trash... doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Sodium Methoxide MSDS (Sodium methylate)
http://www.jtbaker.com/msds/englishhtml/m2028.htm This is for Dry Sodium Methoxide. *Chemical Formula:* CH3NaO -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Turkeys
Tom Irwin wrote: Hi Kim, Thanks for the info, I suppose there are not any bright breeds that will actually feed themselves. I´ve never had Muscovy ducks. Someone once told me they taste a little like veal. Any truth to this? Tom Irwin Hi! There are wild turkeys in my locale that are quite bright, (they outsmart the hunters quite often, but that might not say as much about the turkeys as the hunters*...) Couldn't tell you the species, but no doubt they're able to make it without human intervention. *A few years ago, a hunter brought someone's goat in to have it dressed, thought he'd bagged his first deer. It was difficult for those who worked at the dressing station to keep a straight face until their customer left! :) It seems like there ought to be a breed or two that have a nearer connection to the wild variety than what usually shows up in the grocer's. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Distillation information
While researching online re: methanol recovery, and the current thread on ethanol, I found what seems to be a great site on everything one would want to know about the distillation process. It's at: http://lorien.ncl.ac.uk/ming/distil/distil0.htm I've only gotten part of the way through all the info there, but thought the info would be good to share. doug swanson -- All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. No Microsoft databits have been incorporated herein. All existing databits have been constructed from recycled databits. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The New Blue States/Country
Thank you! That was the first message in this thread I found worth saving for future reference. Too much out there, (government, business and religion) has propagated the illusion of separation, competition and isolation... We could easily forget that we do all come from the same Source, sad to say though, that when mankind tries to give that Source a name, religion develops, and separation of our unity follows. doug swanson Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Hallo Whomever, Sunday, 31 July, 2005, 18:03:48, you wrote: Wwrc In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited. God must Love you better than Wwrc us RED NECKS. Oh, that's right, you don't believe In GOD We Trust. In poor taste. Maybe even mean spirited.? I assume that you have NEVER listened to Rush Limbaugh or his ilk then? Jerry Falwell? Pat Robertson? In GOD We Trust? The qualifier Somewhat does not appear there between We and Trust. Those trusting in God are those rejecting the ways of the world and following the ways of the Lord. That would be those in peace churches and not involving themselves in national politics and perhaps not even state politics. I assume you mean In the bible we trust instead, with the caveat of your own particular interpretations of that and including the old testament which has, according to virtually all biblical scholars of the Christian bent been fulfilled and the jots and tittles have been changed. It is very interesting watching the contortions of the theologians trying to make the black words in the bible match up to the red words when they flatly contradict them in so many cases. If they trusted in God they would have the ability to get to their knowledge without the aid of such an inadequate medium as the written word. It is not so interesting watching them pulling verses or partial verses out of context and trying to warp them to their own particular beliefs. They would rather define truth to match their own limited understanding rather than take the trouble to bring their understanding in line with truth. Makes one ill. I generally attempt to be more kind in my observations but I really get weary watching people serving two masters while claiming to be serving only one. That which is good, right and true speaks for itself and the rest requires justification. There are a lot of Christians who are going to be justifying their heads off and a lot who don't call themselves Christian who won't need to do so. Law vs Spirit. There are a lot of folks out there who may have read but have either forgotten or do not understand MT 25:12, LK 13:25, LK 13:27 and JN 5:42. Perhaps they just think claiming to believe something is tautologous with demonstrating the fruits of the belief. Fruits? GAL 5:22. You won't find a lot of those fruits in politics whether left, right or center. Before I forget: MT 7:3-5 There is a great difference between reading the words and knowing what they mean, understanding them. Living them is even more difficult. I have failed somewhat in this unkind mail but am prepared to live and/or die with the consequences of my actions and without excuses or justification. I hope all those upholding life with one hand and activily participating in or concurring with the dealing out of death with the other are just as ready. Blue or red or whatever shade. Happy Happy, Gustl ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Phenolphthalein solution
Probst, Peter wrote: Greetings, I'm collecting the various tools to perform a titration of WVO and see there are several types of phenolphthalein solutions available. Is there a certain solution that works better than others? Should I get the most economical? Thanks in advance for your help, Pete HomeScienceTools sells smaller quantities, liquid or dry. Unless you're doing a large number of batches, I'd suspect that dry would suit your purpose best, as the stuff will decompose over time, and is more stable in its dry state. Try this URL: http://www.hometrainingtools.com/catalog/chemistry/chemicals/cat_chemicals-m-p.html bottom of the first page is their Phenolphthalein... 5g for $3.00. Although I have no financial interest in this company, their fast service, variety of useful tools, and decent prices urge me to recommend them to you. doug swanson Some options for purchase at sciencelab.com: -Phenolphthalein Indicator, 0.08% Solution in Methanol ($48.48/500ml) -Phenolphthalein Indicator, 0.5% Solution in 50% Isopropanol ($53.48/L) -Phenolphthalein Indicator, 2% Solution in 95% Ethanol ($114.84/L) -Phenolphthalein Indicator, 3% Solution in 95% Alcohol ($119.76/500ml) -Phenolphthalein TS ($37.09/500 ml) -Phenolphthalein, 0.5% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 50% Alcohol ($58.48/500ml) -Phenolphthalein, 0.5% (w/v) Solution in Ethyl Alcohol ($117.00/500ml) -Phenolphthalein, 1% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 70% Alcohol ($69.24/500ml) -Phenolphthalein, 1% (w/v) Indicator Solution in 95% Isopropyl Alcohol ($107.84/500ml) -Phenolphthalein, Powder, Reagent, ACS ($48.24/25g) ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn
Hakan Falk wrote: And all of it because a bad language interpretation at the end of WWII. When the Americans, after winning, asked the Germans what they most needed to avoid starvation, they answered Korn (Rye), which the Americans interpret to Corn (Maise) and started to send loads of it. The Germans was very sad about it, not only did they loose the war, but the Americans gave them animal food to eat. Outside US, Corn is an animal staple feed and is not normally used by people, this even today. Even poor people do not eat animal food, if they are not forced to do so. Why do the Americans stubbornly send animal food to the starving people of the world and expect them to be grateful about it. In most cases it is taken as an insult. Except for US, burning Corn, that are not used for animals, is a great idea. To heavily subsidize production of animal food is not a great idea and you must be American to do so. Not only that, the Americans eat the animal food themselves, food which will make the rest of the world think about pigs and they say that the Americans are rich?! LOL This has been going on for 60 years now, do not tell me that the Americans are flexible and understanding. Hakan To view maize as strictly animal food could be considered insulting to those native to this (American) continent, some of whose legends speak of it coming to them from Sky-Father as a gift. Indeed evidence shows that corn has been cultivated in Mexico 7000 years ago, though what its origins are, no one is sure. There seem to be no wild varieties of corn. To be sure, the sacredness of corn is ignored by those who hybridize and genetically alter it, changing its characteristics from those that evolution and Sky-Father designed. But even in 1492 when the first seeds were brought to Europe, their value must have been seen as something worth loading aboard and bringing with the first explorers back to their homelands. I do however recall the difficulty my mother had, when I was a child and growing up in Germany, in obtaining corn on the cob for family meals. Germans did (do?) view maize as an animal fodder, and we were likely looked down upon for eating it. And now, after reading labels, I discover that the WVO I've been retrieving from behind the restaurant that has allowed me to gather their waste, is 100% corn. My pickup loves it too. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] The Tragic Abuse of Corn
Phillip Wolfe wrote: Keith - I'm still an avid reader of biofuel.com. I planted corn in my backyard garden this year to better appreciate corn and mother corn. Is it GMO'd corn seed. Who knows. But I now understand that if my family existed on homegrown ag and fruit products we could stay body lean as nature intended. For example, I have to wait until the crops are ready for harvest. This means I have to moderate my food intake and conserve until harvest. I work the land and wait patiently. I curb my desire and try to resist going to the local store to buy frozen pizza; and HFCS juices. But I then think about my other fellow humans who don't have the opportunity to think frozen pizza or even have the water to grow mother corn. Keep up the good work, P. Wolfe If you look for heirloom seeds, (google it to find it on the continent of your choice) you'll be getting seeds that haven't been hybrided. As far as cross-pollenation that might have occurred, I suppose only those which were grown in a controlled (greenhouse) environment could be guaranteed GM free. Eliminating risk may be impossible, but reducing it is still an option! doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Cornell on ethanol, biodiesel, hydrogen energy efficiencies
In the article, Pimentel is shown pumping gas, most likely plain old regular unleaded gas... And it crossed my mind, How much energy was used to provide a gallon of plain old regular unleaded gas, considering all the energy consumed, not only in drilling and pumping crude, cleaning, separating, transporting, etc., but how much energy did the dinosaur consume, in the way of food, how much energy did earth processes contribute, in the way of pressures and time frames, etc. And how much energy would be consumed to convert a modern-day dinosaur (sort of in short supply) into that same gallon of gas? Consider the food he'd be eating, the fossil fuel based pesticides I'd have to use on the food source for Dino, etc... Yeah, sort of silly, but probably worth a government grant to study. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Freedom from oil?
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Happy day List! I just received that link www.freedomfromoil.com/ http://www.freedomfromoil.com/ and I support their effort. Pass it on! Declare your independance from oil! Felix I've looked around their site, and don't see a proposal on how this is to be implemented. And I can't sign something that I've not implemented in my own life and habits... I still eat food from the grocers, (brought there by oil dependent trucks.) And on occasion purchase items that were brought to the stores by oil dependent trucks. Heck, even the keyboard I'm typing on is plastic, which at one time was crude oil. Independence from oil sounds fantastic, but making it a reality means taking a close look at how oil has really infiltrated our lives to such a degree that to declare an independence from it would mean a change in lifestyle that no one I know of could carry through and not wind up in a cave. I'm much less dependent than I once was before I woke up and started looking at everything from a more alert perspective, but I'm still a considerable distance from independent! I wish their effort much success, and perhaps one day I'll be able to sign their declaration. (Click wood carved mouse here... :) doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] maximum MPG
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Doug, there are about 20,000 BTUs in a pound of gasoline, about 6 pounds to the U.S. gallon. A high school physics text and Marks' Handbook for Engineers (in the reference section of most larger libraries) will contain a lot of the information you might need. A text on internal combustion engines that is about as clearly and simply written as any such text can be is The High-Speed Internal Combustion Engine by Ricardo and Hempson, 5th edition 1956or 1957, publisher Blackie of Edinburgh. There are earlier editions by Ricardo alone. Recovering exhaust and coolant heat tends to be complicated and expensive. It's best not to lose it in the first place, but there are practical limits. Diesels have a definite advantage over conventional spark ignition gasoline engines in maximum efficiency, because they can operate at higher compression and therefore expansion ratios. However, where Diesels really shine is part load efficiency; gasoline engines suffer badly at part load. Designing the transmission and suspension (including tires) for comfort, handling and performance involves major losses. Opportunities for reducing aerodynamic losses involve belly pans (maintenance problems?) and attention to the flow from the belly to the sides. It seems that the flow separation at the rear can be reduced, but the vehicle may look odd. If you are near a university which has a mechanical engineering department, browsing the archive of the Journal of the Society pf Automotive Engineers might interest you. There is a British equivalent; if memory serves thirty years ago it was the Journal of the Society of Chartered Mechanical Engineers. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Thanks to you and all the others who gave me more to think about. What triggered the question in my mind was a claim of a 500 MPG car that appeared in a newsgroup I follow, and after having seen the VW 1l/100km car, and what design implementation went into that, I had wondered if a 500 MPG car could possibly be any larger than a roller skate. And then, with a passenger of average weight, the numbers just don't look as good any more. LOL thanks again, all! doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] maximum MPG
I've read of some really fantastic claims of MPG in vehicles that are either proposed or promised, and my curiosity has been piqued. The question I have in mind that is bothering me is this: Let's say for a minute that we're developing a vehicle that doesn't use any fuel when it's not moving, the heat from its combustion is reclycled, (radiators being a waste of energy, blowing heat ...AKA energy you paid for... into the atmosphere) and the energy used to go up a hill is reclaimed when going down the other side, (like the hybrids do...) and, just for the numbers we'll design it to weigh 1000 pounds. (not much luxury or padding on this vehicle.) How might one figure the maximum MPG on this vehicle, considering the amount of energy stored in a gallon of gas (or diesel) and if all the energy in this gallon were to be used in propelling the vehicle forward? Assuming that none of this fuel is used to run headlights, charge battery, run a heater, air conditioning, or radio? I understand that friction is a reality, but for this thought experiment, let's assume friction free bearings, and 100% transfer of power from tires to asphalt also. Wish I could recall all the physics I learned in high school, but back then we were still trying to make an ark float. If someone could point me in the right direction for the formula for the amount of energy in a gallon of fuel and how far it could possibly push a specific mass in a perfect (theoretical) world, I would appreciate it. In the way that the Carnot cycle has its limits, I want to know what the limit for fuel efficiency on an infernal combustion engine is. Anyone? Thanks, doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Corolla's Fuel Pump
Keith Addison wrote: Hello Filipe I doubt it very much. Okay, no, it's not true. By 1993 Japanese fuel pumps did not contain any rubber, especially not those exported to Europe - compatability issues with the European ULSD diesel fuel had already ensured that. Our Toyota diesel is dated 1990, it's been running on nothing else but 100% biodiesel for two and a half years and there is no problem with the injector pump seals, nor with anything else. In fact we've never heard of a real, certifiable, genuine problem with biodiesel causing failure of injector pump seals. Fuel line problems are rare enough, and seal problems apparently non-existent - an industry myth, we think. Well, perhaps they have to be over-cautious. We can afford to be more realistic (and to both make and wash our fuel properly, which the biodiesel industry certainly doesn't always do). Also I don't think it's true that the pump seals aren't replaceable. Go ahead and do it Filipe, I'm sure you'll be just fine, and so will the Corolla. Best wishes Keith I've spent weeks since my first batch of corn-based BD came out of the processor trying to determine what will need to be done to my Datsun pickup before I get to use B-100 in it. It's a 1981, and although it's running alright on B-20, I have gotten the lengths of fuel line I'll need to replace to run on 100%. I do have the manual for this vehicle, but only sketchy information on the fuel pump, and seals aren't mentioned. It's my only vehicle, so I will have difficulty removing the seals for comparison at the auto parts store, unless I disassemble it in their parking lot. Has anyone else out there done a conversion on the same engine (vintage) as I'm dealing with? What parts are needed to complete? Do I just need a new pump? Are there rubber impeller seals inside it? (manual says that the pump should not be disassembled by anyone less than a certified Datsun Diesel mechanic. and I'm not one of those...) The manual indicates that I have a Diesel KIKI-Bosch In-line type and gives a somewhat cut-away diagram of it, but no exploded view, and very few of its parts are labeled or numbered... Anyone with experience on this, or knows of a connection to Datsun that can give me the answer I need will be greatly appreciated, and sought after! doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Datsun pump rebuild options
Thanks for all the replies! I guess, being the cautious type that I am, I will try upping the percentage of Bio to Dino ratio, and keep the spare filter and tools required to access it handy. As far as what might happen if the pump goes out, guess I'll coast to a stop and ride the thumb back. Perhaps it won't catastrophically fail suddenly, give me enough warning and time to turn around and get home. (I have this vivid imagination of what it might do... spraying fuel everywhere under the hood... ) Thanks for the encouraging words and comments, and I'll keep you apprised of the progress. Thanks again for the advice, doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: solar tracking devices
Michael Redler wrote: OK folks. For what its worth, here is another crack at it. 1 square meter panel = 1000W * .10 (split the difference between 8 and 12) = 100W 100W * $5.00/W = $500.00 per panel 100W * .30 = energy gained using tracker, based on previous reference = 30W Equivalent value of PV panel = 30W * $5.00 = $150.00 so I guess in order to compete with the cost of PV, we need a tracker for a 1sq meter panel that costs $150.00 or less. Mike Got my tracker information and a module from Duane Johnson at http://www.redrok.com/main.htm that lets me track the sun by its position, stops tracking when there are too many clouds... etc. Good knowledgeable guy to discuss this sort of thing with. Good information on building your own tracking system for next to nothing if you've got a basement full of stuff that is just too good to throw away. hope you enjoy his site, I always do. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Wash Water to Biodiesel Ratio?
Ken Provost wrote: A question for all you well-washed biodiesel homebrewers... Regardless of your particular washing methods, when all is said and done, how much total fresh water have you used for washing, per liter of fully washed biodiesel? FWIW, my ratio is about 1.3 water:biodiesel. Is that high, low, average? -K In my experience, it seems really low. I've been adding water with a mister, to approximately equal the amount of BD to be washed, then use bubble wash. Drain, repeat. The number of times I repeat it, determined by the clarity of the drained wash water has been at a minimum of four, and as many as 7. Too much NaOH in my formula, perhaps? Thankfully, I have a good supply of water at my disposal, and making it available to the process is dependent on electricity to pump it from my own well... So at least I'm not pouring this much water into the system from a metered city-water supply. Any hints out there that will help me to clear my BD of soaps more economically will be very appreciated! doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power
robert luis rabello wrote: Keith Addison wrote: snip There was an ammonia based refrigeration unit powered by an off axis solar tracker in Home Power magazine many years ago. It produced pressure in excess of 100 psi (I think. . . Oh, where ARE those brain cells???) during its operation, and I thought it would make an excellent unit for the AFEX process. Combined, it could produce ice and subsequent to enzymatic treatment, feedstock for fermentation and ethanol fuel. I've found that page in the past, and saved a pdf file of it. Uploaded it to: http://databrook.com/users/dcs3400/solarice.pdf I believe it is what you are referring to. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ocean current slows
This may have something to do with the article I saw on the discovery channel recently about the global change of the earths magnetic field north to south and vise versa. it seems that this has been going on for well since the beginning of time as we know it. I'd agree with that, we've been keeping track of worldwide weather for too short a duration to get a complete picture of the slower cycles, although there is plenty of evidence that things have not always been the way we see them. (Fossils in unlikely areas, ice core samples indicating dramatic weather variations.) But I can't help but be one of those that feels that we as a human race have made more dramatic changes in the factors that affect the weather since we've been keeping track of the cycles. And we don't know for sure if the last ice age was caused by volcanic influences, meteor impacts, or perhaps by early man's discovery of fire, and the sudden realization that if it is not properly contained, this fine discovery of fire can deforest a continent! The resultant smoke and atmospheric heating could have caused effects similar to what we are seeing now. Too many changes have been made to point at any one cause to blame for the total effect. And the futures of future generations seem to have been ignored in the mad dash for the illusions of prosperity. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] methanol recovery
test batches, (1 litre), and lurking on this fine list, absorbing information, and reading a lot on the biodiesel pages. I guess I've got a decent grip on the process and the chemistry involved, but I've had a question that I've not found the answer to yet. If I'm using 20% by volume of methanol to make my methoxide then run the transesterification, I understand that the methanol becomes part of the molecule chain, with some attaching to the glycerides, and some still floating free in the biodiesel which is washed out toward the end of the process. So if I was to distill the glycerides and soap rinse water, about what percentage of the methanol that I put in is likely to still be recoverable with a distillery? Assume that the recipe is the common NaOH/methanol, without the extra steps consisting of the sulfuric or phosphoric acid treatments... I'd like to know about how much of my waste material is going to be recoverable, because as nature shows us, the concept of waste is man-made. There is no waste in nature. Thanks for your input, in advance. doug swanson ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
