Re: [Biofuel] Acids
Hello Robin et al. The acidic step is necessary for neutralisation of the biodiesel. But, basically any mineral acid can be used. The most common (and efficient ?) is concentrated sulphuric acid. Even hydrochloric acid can be used, however usually available as 35-36% solution. For neutralisation similar amounts of phosphoric and sulphuric acid are required, all according to the need for neutralisation. With best regards AGERATEC AB Jan Warnqvist - Original Message - From: Robin Pentney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 9:49 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Acids Hi! Can anyone tell me what the purpose of the Phosphoric acid in the 'Foolproof method? I would like to try it (the method) but phosphoric is only made in Alberta by a fertilizer mfr just down the road from me, but they will only make enough for themselves. Rats! The oilfield creates a huge demand for it here, so the suppliers who ship it up from the states or from Winnipeg mark it up mercilessly. $158.00 for a 20 L pail! It is 75% so there's lots of diluting to do , but still Can I use another acid for the wash? Can you describe the reaction for me ( a neophyte ) In the wash process so I can fully understand it? I am striving to achieve the best quality fuel possible so that others will not be discouraged when if they see me sitting at the side of the road beside my car , with the hood up and my thumb out What would I dilute the 75% phosporic with? Distilled water? Tnx Robin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Acids
Hi! Can anyone tell me what the purpose of the Phosphoric acid in the 'Foolproof method? I would like to try it (the method) but phosphoric is only made in Alberta by a fertilizer mfr just down the road from me, but they will only make enough for themselves. Rats! The oilfield creates a huge demand for it here, so the suppliers who ship it up from the states or from Winnipeg mark it up mercilessly. $158.00 for a 20 L pail! It is 75% so there's lots of diluting to do , but still Can I use another acid for the wash? Can you describe the reaction for me ( a neophyte ) In the wash process so I can fully understand it? I am striving to achieve the best quality fuel possible so that others will not be discouraged when if they see me sitting at the side of the road beside my car , with the hood up and my thumb out What would I dilute the 75% phosporic with? Distilled water? Tnx Robin ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
Hi Jim, Are you saying that you use biofuel as a wood preservative or as a basis for wood preservative? If so, can you say more about that? I am very interested in finding alternative wood preservatives especially if they are non-toxic. New Zealand has a huge forest plantation industry, right up there next to the sheep industry which produces 100's of thousands of tons of tallow most of which is exported today. Marrying the two would be an elegant solution. I am the steward of a 22Ha ( ~50 acres) Radiata Pine plantation myself. Radiata (Pinus Radiata or Monterey Pine) produces a beautiful clear wood that has excellent properties but not the best of choices for exposed weather applications. Unfortunately New Zealand has decided, because of some poor building practices which created moisture problems and therefore wood rot( what wood wouldn't rot?), that it was the timber which was at fault and now mandates CCA (chromated copper arsenate) treatment of this wood for use even in interior home framing. While I think it may be an uphill battle to convince the industry to stop using CCA in the short term, investigating alternative forms of preservatives may provide a way of moving forward towards using this sustainable resource closer to an environmentally responsible way. ( Of course the real answer is better building practices or alternative materials like earth brick) As it is though, we are creating a nightmare of chemical concoction houses now with sure to follow health and disposal issues. So if you have any ideas on non toxic preservatives, biofuel based or otherwise, I'd be very interested to hear about them. Is there any way of using recycled glass in a coating, for example? Steve Quoting JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED]: David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
sohow much for shipping?? r. allison -Original Message- From: Mike McGinness [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 23:55:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acids I must be in the wrong business. How about I sell it to you for $50/ gallon all day long. Just kiding. We buy it in 93% and 98% grades in 55 gallon drums for about $6.00 gallon for pH control of waste water. Somebody is getting rich fast and its not me. LOL. Let's see $94/gallon profit at $100/gallon, 55 gallons, thats $5,170 /drum profit. Half a truck load and I could retire. Mike McGinness JJJN wrote: David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
Hi Mike, Try buying 1 gallon of it somewhere like Brentag or Scientific Laboratory Supply @ 98%(guaranteed analysis. Remember my methanol price is around $2.00 a gallon when I buy 4 -55 gallon drums but 1 gallon is around $5. The backyard guy will go to Jail if he gets caught with a 55 gallon drum of Sulfuric Acid (depending on city fire and ordinance of course). You do bring up a great Idea though, Ricals may be able to purchase from his local water plant fellows in small quantities. Buy the way what do water plants use Sulphuric acid for? I thought they used Hydrochloric acid? (my ignorance) Jim Mike McGinness wrote: I must be in the wrong business. How about I sell it to you for $50/ gallon all day long. Just kiding. We buy it in 93% and 98% grades in 55 gallon drums for about $6.00 gallon for pH control of waste water. Somebody is getting rich fast and its not me. LOL. Let's see $94/gallon profit at $100/gallon, 55 gallons, thats $5,170 /drum profit. Half a truck load and I could retire. Mike McGinness JJJN wrote: David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
For those who can't acquire concentrated sulfuric locally, try Aqua Science, Columbus, Ohio. www.aquascience.com They don't distribute to individuals, so you'll need a tax ID number at hand. Todd Swearingen greg Kelly wrote: I believe pool acid is fuming hydrochloric acid. They may also sell sulfuric, but the mainstream juice is HCL, and not very pure, at that. An easy source of the chlorine for the disinfectant. Greg Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acids For those who can't acquire concentrated sulfuric locally, try Aqua Science, Columbus, Ohio. www.aquascience.com They don't distribute to individuals, so you'll need a tax ID number at hand. Todd Swearingen greg Kelly wrote: I believe pool acid is fuming hydrochloric acid. They may also sell sulfuric, but the mainstream juice is HCL, and not very pure, at that. An easy source of the chlorine for the disinfectant. Greg Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. -Johnathan ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
try http://sciencestuff.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. -Original Message- From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tue, 04 Apr 2006 08:57:22 -0400 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acids For those who can't acquire concentrated sulfuric locally, try Aqua Science, Columbus, Ohio. www.aquascience.com They don't distribute to individuals, so you'll need a tax ID number at hand. Todd Swearingen greg Kelly wrote: I believe pool acid is fuming hydrochloric acid. They may also sell sulfuric, but the mainstream juice is HCL, and not very pure, at that. An easy source of the chlorine for the disinfectant. Greg Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Bob Allen http://ozarker.org/bob Science is what we have learned about how to keep from fooling ourselves — Richard Feynman ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
again with the taxes garbage. it is still considered an experimental fuel so it is not taxed. the same with ethanol, i checked, fuel grade ethanol falls under no tax but sales tax - Original Message - From: JJJN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2006 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] acids David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.3.5/301 - Release Date: 4/4/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
I must be in the wrong business. How about I sell it to you for $50/ gallon all day long. Just kiding. We buy it in 93% and 98% grades in 55 gallon drums for about $6.00 gallon for pH control of waste water. Somebody is getting rich fast and its not me. LOL. Let's see $94/gallon profit at $100/gallon, 55 gallons, thats $5,170 /drum profit. Half a truck load and I could retire. Mike McGinness JJJN wrote: David, The only place you are going to find 98% Acid is either a lab supply or a Chemical supply. In the United States there is a Hazmat charge and a Homeland Security charge as well. (at least where I shop commercially) It also runs about $100.00 a gallon at that grade. The Crap at the hardware store is about 25% if that. I reccomend the base base if you are non commercial. I make wood preservatives out of the stuff not auto fuel as my business therefore I can get around several of the triangles involved with buying supplies but I still must wash wash wash just like if I did make fuel. I have tested some in my truck off road and found it to be great stuff but until I can pay taxes on it to both State and Federal I do not run it in a vehicle on a taxed road. (I also use it for generators and farm tractors.) Jim David Miller wrote: Johnathan Corgan wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thsi is true that pool dealers mostly deal in muratic acid and not sulphuric. in my youth as a pool boy i have never seen sulphuric acid used in a pool. so it gets back to my problem of purchasing concentrated sulphuric acid since i am an individual and have no tax i.d. number. In my search for local sources of lye, I came across several hardware stores (Home Depot, ACE, OSH) which carry concentrated sulfuric acid. If memory serves (I didn't pay close attention) it was for cleaning septic tank lines, not drains, but was in the drain cleaner section of the store. I don't know if the label concentrated sulfuric acid is standardized, but I thought it meant 95%-98%. It was a liquid in a dark plastic bottle with a further sealed plastic bag around it, with a warning label affixed to the outer bag. Something to check out, anyway. If you're just looking for amounts of sulfuric acid to test with, go to any battery or auto parts store and ask for some battery acid. --- David ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] acids
does anybody have a resource for 95% sulphuric acid? 3 chemical suppliersi have tried will not sell to individuals due to it being a hazerdous material and being a suspicious sale. r. allison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] acids
Pool care /water treatment supply warehouses sell concentrated sulfuric acid day in and day out. Nothing suspicious about treating a swimming pool. It's the era of over-caution in the chemical industry. Also, many chemicals can be shipped below specific volumes or weights and legally fall below the hazardous materials radar. Check DOT's restrictions/exemptions on specific chemicals before you declare to a chemical supplier that they're blowing smoke out their hindquarters. About the only legitimate argument they have is that they may sell only to state registered businesses. That's an easy enough matter to navigate. Todd Swearingen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does anybody have a resource for 95% sulphuric acid? 3 chemical suppliersi have tried will not sell to individuals due to it being a hazerdous material and being a suspicious sale. r. allison ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] acids
I believe pool acid is fuming hydrochloric acid. They may also sell sulfuric, but the mainstream juice is HCL, and not very pure, at that. An easy source of the chlorine for the disinfectant. Greg Kelly ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
