Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
...no... do you suppose they never thought of it? it seemed kind of a no-brainer to me... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers about doing what you're saying? curious to hear their response. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. i have similar problems at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be selling electricity to the grid, which-in that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad weather. its stupid for them to waste it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
You never know Jason until you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them personally, but I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't do any good talking with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc etc...butknowing the head honcho has the info and what he or she says is all that matters. If nothing else, you will know that they know and make them responsible forthis information. Again, if you decide to do this, please share your experience. Thanks. Mike DuPree PS If this is difficult for you, and your mother-in-law lives in the Kansas City area, I might consider showing up and asking, but I'd need more info from you and maybe ask you to do some preliminary fact finding. Let me know. - Original Message - From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. ...no... do you suppose they never thought of it? it seemed kind of a no-brainer to me... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MK DuPree" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers about doing what you're saying? curious to hear their response. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.i have similar problems at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be selling electricity to the grid, which-in that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad weather. its stupid for them to waste it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "John P Gochoco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.23/513 - Release Date: 11/2/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
i have no problems at all asking those folks about it, and you are welcome to come along for the show, but i have to warn you- my motherinlaw lives five hours northeast of KC... but yes, i will let everyone know (and maybe find myselfinstallinga genset in the local dump ;). )any suggestions if they go for it? i might be able to make aliving out of it andmove backHOME for a change. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. You never know Jason until you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them personally, but I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't do any good talking with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc etc...butknowing the head honcho has the info and what he or she says is all that matters. If nothing else, you will know that they know and make them responsible forthis information. Again, if you decide to do this, please share your experience. Thanks. Mike DuPree PS If this is difficult for you, and your mother-in-law lives in the Kansas City area, I might consider showing up and asking, but I'd need more info from you and maybe ask you to do some preliminary fact finding. Let me know. - Original Message - From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. ...no... do you suppose they never thought of it? it seemed kind of a no-brainer to me... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MK DuPree" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers about doing what you're saying? curious to hear their response. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.i have similar problems at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be selling electricity to the grid, which-in that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad weather. its stupid for them to waste it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "John P Gochoco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Jason...I'd LOVE to come
along. If you're okay with it, I can get myself to your place and we can
go from there. Because of the distance, perhaps a preliminary phone call
would be appropriate, at least to find out who is the decision maker. I
would even go one step, maybe several steps, further. This situation could
be a real boon to the landfill. But ultimatelythis boonneeds
to be presented in the simplest terms, ie the bottom line...what kind of money
is the landfill looking at...both to install the necessary equipment and return
on investment (and how long before return of initial investment). This
will requirefinding out about the landfill, ie pounds of trash per day
etc, whatever it is you have in mind that might be used to transform into energy
sold back to the grid. Also, what hoops will the landfill have to go
through to get the utility to have to pay them for the extra energy. Are
you (we?) proposing to take care of these hoops? Got some homework to
do. I'd love to participate. Could be the beginning of something
totally awesome in the immediate vicinity and then beyond. What do you
think? Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
Jason Katie
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:29
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
i have no problems at all asking those folks
about it, and you are welcome to come along for the show, but i have to warn
you- my motherinlaw lives five hours northeast of KC... but yes, i will let
everyone know (and maybe find myselfinstallinga genset in the
local dump ;). )any suggestions if they go for it? i might be able to
make aliving out of it andmove backHOME for a
change.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
MK
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:16
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
You never know Jason
until you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them
personally, but I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't do
any good talking with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc
etc...butknowing the head honcho has the info and what he or she says
is all that matters. If nothing else, you will know that they know and
make them responsible forthis information. Again, if you decide
to do this, please share your experience. Thanks. Mike
DuPree PS If this is difficult for you, and your mother-in-law
lives in the Kansas City area, I might consider showing up and asking, but
I'd need more info from you and maybe ask you to do some preliminary fact
finding. Let me know.
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Katie"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006
4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
...no... do you suppose they never thought
of it? it seemed kind of a no-brainer to me...
Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MK DuPree"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers about
doing what you're saying? curious to hear their
response. Mike DuPree - Original Message
- From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20
PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh
Gas...etc.i have similar problems at
home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's
house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but
they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of
the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be
selling electricity to the grid, which-in
that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad
weather. its stupid for them to waste
it... Jason ICQ#:
154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From:
"John P Gochoco" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21
PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh
Gas...etc. Can someone
show me a string of emails...or something showing any
discussion regarding the production and use of Methane
in the US? I pass by huge poultry's
and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not
one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They
all seem to be sold on the idea of
just using manure for fertilizer.
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
ive been doing some looking on ESG Watts, and im
not so sure we could actually accomplish anything. apparently james watts has
been sued in three counties over the last twelve yearsand is presently in
jail for contempt of court after refusing to pay over one million in fines for
EPA violations. i doubt he would be willing to put forth the effort, and i
HIGHLY doubt he would be trustworthy enough to hold up his end of any
contract...
http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/pressroom/2006_06/20060623.html
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
MK
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:19
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Jason...I'd LOVE to come
along. If you're okay with it, I can get myself to your place and we can
go from there. Because of the distance, perhaps a preliminary phone call
would be appropriate, at least to find out who is the decision maker. I
would even go one step, maybe several steps, further. This situation
could be a real boon to the landfill. But ultimatelythis
boonneeds to be presented in the simplest terms, ie the bottom
line...what kind of money is the landfill looking at...both to install the
necessary equipment and return on investment (and how long before return of
initial investment). This will requirefinding out about the
landfill, ie pounds of trash per day etc, whatever it is you have in mind that
might be used to transform into energy sold back to the grid. Also, what
hoops will the landfill have to go through to get the utility to have to pay
them for the extra energy. Are you (we?) proposing to take care of these
hoops? Got some homework to do. I'd love to participate.
Could be the beginning of something totally awesome in the immediate vicinity
and then beyond. What do you think? Mike DuPree
- Original Message -
From:
Jason
Katie
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:29
PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
i have no problems at all asking those folks
about it, and you are welcome to come along for the show, but i have to warn
you- my motherinlaw lives five hours northeast of KC... but yes, i will let
everyone know (and maybe find myselfinstallinga genset in the
local dump ;). )any suggestions if they go for it? i might be able to
make aliving out of it andmove backHOME for a
change.
JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- Original Message -
From:
MK
DuPree
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006
5:16 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e.
Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
You never know Jason
until you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them
personally, but I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't
do any good talking with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc
etc...butknowing the head honcho has the info and what he or she
says is all that matters. If nothing else, you will know that they
know and make them responsible forthis information. Again, if
you decide to do this, please share your experience. Thanks.
Mike DuPree PS If this is difficult for you, and your
mother-in-law lives in the Kansas City area, I might consider showing up
and asking, but I'd need more info from you and maybe ask you to do some
preliminary fact finding. Let me know.
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Katie"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org
Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006
4:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel]
Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
...no... do you suppose they never
thought of it? it seemed kind of a no-brainer to me...
Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "MK DuPree"
[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers
about doing what you're saying? curious to hear their
response. Mike DuPree - Original Message
- From: "Jason Katie" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20
PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh
Gas...etc.i have similar problems
at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's
house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but
they torch it all off at a big tower in the south
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
very interesting...ok...so you've identified a low priority prospect...save the bums for a rainy day. What about closer to home? I'm willing to make calls on whomever, Jason. Might help to have info on what it would take for a landfill to sell their energy back to the grid. I'm not clear on the equipment and process you have in mind for converting to energy. If you're interested, I'd like to learn more. Then begin prospecting. I kind of know a son of Hamm Quarries here in Lawrence. My understanding is that Lawrence contracts with Hamm to dump there. If I had a better understanding of the energy paperwork and process for converting, I'd love to give Gary a call and go from there. But that's just one. How many are there within a hundred miles of and including Kansas City? What do you think? Mike - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. ive been doing some looking on ESG Watts, and im not so sure we could actually accomplish anything. apparently james watts has been sued in three counties over the last twelve yearsand is presently in jail for contempt of court after refusing to pay over one million in fines for EPA violations. i doubt he would be willing to put forth the effort, and i HIGHLY doubt he would be trustworthy enough to hold up his end of any contract... http://www.illinoisattorneygeneral.gov/pressroom/2006_06/20060623.html JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 8:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Jason...I'd LOVE to come along. If you're okay with it, I can get myself to your place and we can go from there. Because of the distance, perhaps a preliminary phone call would be appropriate, at least to find out who is the decision maker. I would even go one step, maybe several steps, further. This situation could be a real boon to the landfill. But ultimatelythis boonneeds to be presented in the simplest terms, ie the bottom line...what kind of money is the landfill looking at...both to install the necessary equipment and return on investment (and how long before return of initial investment). This will requirefinding out about the landfill, ie pounds of trash per day etc, whatever it is you have in mind that might be used to transform into energy sold back to the grid. Also, what hoops will the landfill have to go through to get the utility to have to pay them for the extra energy. Are you (we?) proposing to take care of these hoops? Got some homework to do. I'd love to participate. Could be the beginning of something totally awesome in the immediate vicinity and then beyond. What do you think? Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. i have no problems at all asking those folks about it, and you are welcome to come along for the show, but i have to warn you- my motherinlaw lives five hours northeast of KC... but yes, i will let everyone know (and maybe find myselfinstallinga genset in the local dump ;). )any suggestions if they go for it? i might be able to make aliving out of it andmove backHOME for a change. JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 5:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. You never know Jason until you know. Don't know how you feel about approaching them personally, but I'd find out who the head honcho is and just ask...won't do any good talking with the secretary...gawd love 'em, we need 'em, etc etc...butknowing the head honcho has the info and what he or she says is all that matters. If nothing else, you will know that they know and make them responsible forthis information. Again, if you decide to do this, please share your experience. Thanks. Mike DuPree PS If this is difficult for you, and your mother-in-law lives in the Kansas City area, I might consider showing up and asking, but I'd need more info from you and maybe ask you to do some preliminary fact finding. Let me know. - Original Message
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
i have similar problems at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be selling electricity to the grid, which-in that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad weather. its stupid for them to waste it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Jason...have you talked with the owners/managers about doing what you're saying? curious to hear their response. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Jason Katie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, November 01, 2006 10:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. i have similar problems at home. there is a landfill not far from my motherinlaw's house and they have a decent gas collecting system, but they torch it all off at a big tower in the southern end of the facility. the 'fill is no longer used, but they could be selling electricity to the grid, which-in that area- is subject to blackouts and such during bad weather. its stupid for them to waste it... Jason ICQ#: 154998177 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 11:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.13.22/512 - Release Date: 11/1/2006 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
I can't direct you to any emails or even to a news item I recall. The program outlined how on operation in Kansas recovered methane off it's lagoons, along with using methane from a nearby landfill. I want to recall it was on the Sunflowers journeys produced by KTWU http://ktwu.washburn.edu/journeys/ , but I can't seem to find it. I have also read of hog and dairy operations using biomethane production to power their operations, selling excess electrical power to the power company grid. My guess is even after any methane recovery, the waste may end up as fertilizer, but I really don't know Doug, N0LKK Kansas USA inc. John P Gochoco wrote: Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
John, cow manure is excelent for Methane source. Manure from four cow can provide enough methane for one household for cooking, Lighting and hot water. pig manure is poor for methane production. plenty of litrature is on line for it. From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 21:21:27 -0800 Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Get today's hot entertainment gossip http://movies.msn.com/movies/hotgossip?icid=T002MSN03A07001 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc.
An on-farm biodigester that takes dairy shed effluent and converts it to an environmentally safe fertiliser, is being trialled on a Waikato farm. The single vessel bio-digester is a self-supporting system that processes the manure, and extracts methane gas for energy. The patented system was developed over the last two decades and involves anaerobic digestion that converts raw manure into a non-toxic, certifiable organic fertiliser. This means that all pathogen germs are destroyed and the basic nutritional ingredients transformed for soil, crop and grass health. The process makes the manure safe for land-based disposal as a fertiliser for both agricultural and horticultural uses. It is a break-through in manure disposal, because we can avoid both water and land contamination while producing valuable fertiliser - rather than a sludge which requires further processing for safe disposal into the environment, says Integrated Systems managing director, Roy Harlow. The bio-digester goes continuously and is completely energy self-supporting. The unit produces 3-phase power at 22- 25Kw for seven hours a day on 1400 litres of effluent. During the off-season the system can operate without loading for up to 10 days and return to full production in 2-3 days. The stainless steel unit is designed to support the bacteria that dismantle the raw manure, transforming and blending it into non-toxic soil and plant foods. The system serves as a long-term organic fertiliser plant that sustains itself and produces renewable surplus energy. By converting an agricultural pollutant into an economic asset, it offers an envronmentally sustainable solution by processing the manure, generating energy and producing fertiliser. The system has several potential benefits to operations such as large-scale dairy farms, says John Turner, client services manager for RJ Hill Laboratories. Digestion of the effluent reduces the total nitrogen content of the effluent, and coliform organisims associated with animal manures do not survive the digestion process. The system also creates a pH neutral fertiliser which is beneficial to soil micro-organisms. Biodigester transforms dairy shed waste Northern North Island Zero Waste Bus Tour participants (above), listen to the managing director of Integrated Systems, Roy Harlow, describe the bio-digester processes at a dairy farm near Cambridge recently. - Original Message - From: John P Gochoco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, October 30, 2006 6:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bio-Gas...i.e. Methane...Marsh Gas...etc. Can someone show me a string of emails...or something showing any discussion regarding the production and use of Methane in the US? I pass by huge poultry's and cow and pig farms almost everyday and not one of them ever even thought of the potentials. They all seem to be sold on the idea of just using manure for fertilizer. Maybe I'm wrong...somebody help me!!! ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
