Re: [biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
I think biodiesel or SVO will still come ahead of MTBE,lead,sulphur,benzene etc. Yes, this made more sense once you and the other poster spelled it out. The thing to do is to analyze the products of combustion, not just the ingredients. If the products of biodiesel combustion are not particularly worse than the products of non-bio diesel combustion (or are better) then that would be cool. Though I imagine just saying to analyze this and interpreting the results, and doing those things, are different matters. Reminds of one of my favorite environmental Oil-Products stories. About 10-15 years ago in Indiana (Northern I think) there was some flooding and it was very bad. Then it was discovered that several houses had been highly contaminated with PCB's and-or some other not-compatible-with-human-habitation chemicals. How did they get there, it was wondered? Ah, well, they had been in the home heating oil of the denizens, unbeknownst to those denizens. It was not at all legal for the oil company to place those chemicals in the oil. I am not sure what the claims made in court ultimately were, whether they claimed it was accidental or if it was clear that the home owners had been duped into disposing of chemicals under their own noses, but I just admired the whole scheme of it. Pretty much spelled out the chemical-PR-manipulation an Oil Company thinks it can get away with. I think we need to be humble should we wish to claim to be able to go up against such creativity and genius. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news? tmpl=storyu=/nm/20020424/hl_nm/cancer_bread_1 I wonder if biodiesels made from used grease from such substances would have an out if the acrylamide might not be as harmful unless ingested orally? or is it like smokin' dope or putting it in a brownie? Just by chance, I'd not be caught sucking on a biodiesel exhaust. Sorry, what else can you compare it to? we don't eat cigarettes, eh? and diesel fumes are adictive too Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
I wonder if biodiesels made from used grease from such substances would have an out if the acrylamide might not be as harmful unless ingested orally? or is it like smokin' dope or putting it in a brownie? Just by chance, I'd not be caught sucking on a biodiesel exhaust. Sorry, what else can you compare it to? we don't eat cigarettes, eh? and diesel fumes are adictive too While I wouldn't go out of my way to suck on exhaust from anything, the question remains open for me whether the substance is cancerous, or as cancerous, when used in a biodiesel engine. There are any number of serious scientific questions that would need unbiased investigation, such as whether the process of burning the fuel would affect the amount in the fuel of the claimed carcinogen, and whether it is harmful or as harmful in air as it is ingested as food. Something that might cause stomach cancer when eaten might not have the same effect to the lungs or body when breathed in. It's quite possible it would, I am just trying to proceed with some caution on the matter. Many of the local stories I've read covering this or that biodiesel effort will focus on the fact that the fumes smell like French Fries with the message that it's better than traditional diesel soot. If the discovery actually has some validity that French Fries are not super-hunky-dory-healthy then this would be a damper. I think in the end, the Biodiesel effort will be ok, but it can't hurt to follow the precautionary principle and look into the matter. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] Re: Acrylamides, medium-risk carcinogens, found in some fried high-carb foods
--- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: damper. I think in the end, the Biodiesel effort will be ok, but it can't hurt to follow the precautionary principle and look into the matter. I think biodiesel or SVO will still come ahead of MTBE,lead,sulphur,benzene etc. Prolly the quickest test would be runnin' an exhaust through a fish tank and with the short half-life set up another tank with the exhaust fumes injected after 8 or 12 hours, maybe theres no harm at all and the only thing changing will be the packaging industry to allow the acro to breathe out of the bag, maybe a vegetable oil based chip bag and a great deal on day old fries.I know a couple of people that have been eating chips for decades, so I really don't fear the problem to much. But I'll bet it keeps the gene mapping people busy for a while, Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/k6cvND/n97DAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
