Re: [biofuel] heating a home.
stay tuned for plans for a babington steam cogenerator. Steve Spence Subscribe to the Renewable Energy Newsletter: http://www.webconx.com/subscribe.htm Renewable Energy Pages - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/ Human powered devices, equipment, and transport - http://www.webconx.dns2go.com/2000/humanpower.htm [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: [biofuel] heating a home. I have been a reader of this newsletter for a while, but have seen little on the application of untreated WVO for Home Heating purposes. I am looking for specific information - and i may not find it. In short, is there a unit or design plan for an easy to use automated WVO home heating unit? I am aware of waste oil burners for commercial use, which atomize fuel with an air compresor. I am aware of Mother Jone's asbestos plate drip method. The problem with these are noise (air compressor) and safety (the drip method is really not a unit that could heat a enclose water system.) Teh baddington burner is not an option either. Is there are duel fuel oil burner: burn home heating oil(HHO) to heat home and my WVO tank to temperature, then automatically switch to WVO at xdegrees for easy atomization. Then run down on HHO to avoid any carbon deposits. I would think this has been done but maybe not? I have seen ads for TCD enterprises waste oil burner, and am contacting them directly. DOn't know if they fit the bill. So, maybe I missed a posting or maybe it can't be done. BUT.. if it can... well, it would be nice. thanks. dan Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] heating a home.
I've done a little experimentation with WVO and SVO in an Intertherm hot air furnace. WVO burns off with too much uncombusted carbon. I discontinuned for fear of the heat exchanger fouling. SVO (canola) burned hot and clean with minimal pre-heat. The WVO (soy) was boosted to about 135F with an imersion heater. I think that the WVO needs more time to burn, or needs a ceramic chamber to increase the heat in the flame to speed carbon conversion. I bought materials to convert a dry base boiler to try a serious attempt to heat with WVO, but work prevented the boiler conversion (I repair heating equipment in Alaska). I think that charging a large vessel of water 500+ gallons with a day tank filled with the anticipated fuel load needed to cover the home heat load for the day. The burn would be continuous,effecient and the house would sip off the large charge tank as needed. The burn would be calculated, which would have a built in limiting effect because the day tank would run dry at a predicted point. The only automatic control would be a safe shut-down in case the burn output was more than the heating load of the home. The large charge tank would give one time to refuel or make other adjustments before the home cooled. I think a Jungers type pot/drip style burner would be ideal. Cast iron, stout, and simple to service. WVO will not burn clean like kerosine or other grades of heating oils. I think there is too much combustion chemistry to engineer through. Simple is cheaper, much safer, and requires less electric control. These are general ideas. Actual implementation requires a through understanding of hydronic heating. Proper pop-off valves and automatic high temperature shut down are a must! Large pressure vessels can be large bombs if you haven't a clue of the proper safety rules. This type of system would require a lot of scrounging and fabrication, but could give one the best use of WVO with the least amount of fuel preperation. -tiasto - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip I have been a reader of this newsletter for a while, but have seen little on the application of untreated WVO for Home Heating purposes. I am looking for specific information - and i may not find it. In short, is there a unit or design plan for an easy to use automated WVO home heating unit? I am aware of waste oil burners for commercial use, which atomize fuel with an air compresor. I am aware of Mother Jone's asbestos plate drip method. The problem with these are noise (air compressor) and safety (the drip method is really not a unit that could heat a enclose water system.) Teh baddington burner is not an option either. Is there are duel fuel oil burner: burn home heating oil(HHO) to heat home and my WVO tank to temperature, then automatically switch to WVO at xdegrees for easy atomization. Then run down on HHO to avoid any carbon deposits. I would think this has been done but maybe not? I have seen ads for TCD enterprises waste oil burner, and am contacting them directly. DOn't know if they fit the bill. So, maybe I missed a posting or maybe it can't be done. BUT.. if it can... well, it would be nice. thanks. dan snip -- ___ Download the free Opera browser at http://www.opera.com/ Powered by Outblaze Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re Re: [biofuel] heating a home.
Would the problem become easier if you put the burner outside the house? Perhaps use a Babington burner to heat water for a tank vented to atmosphere, heat exchanger to draw heat from the tank, secondary loop of the exchanger tapped into the boiler of the house furnace. Alternatively, a fan/coil unit. Glenn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re Re: [biofuel] heating a home.
Use a simple diesel genset a 4500w uses 4 gallons a day, pump all the heat to the basement, keep the hot water tank over 100, 75 on second floor and @ 60-65 on the third floor, enough excess power to keep three of your neighbors happs too, eh? Hope one has a hot tub, I hate using raw veg oil with out recycling it first, at least run it through a hot tub for a couple weeks, invite the Budwieser twins over what you can do, mix the VO with the 9% ethanol and instead of feeding injection pump back to the tank, have a premixed and warmed tank for the start of the biodiesel process, eh --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would the problem become easier if you put the burner outside the house? Perhaps use a Babington burner to heat water for a tank vented to atmosphere, heat exchanger to draw heat from the tank, secondary loop of the exchanger tapped into the boiler of the house furnace. Alternatively, a fan/coil unit. Glenn Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Kwick Pick opens locked car doors, front doors, drawers, briefcases, padlocks, and more. On sale now! http://us.click.yahoo.com/ehaLqB/Fg5DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[biofuel] heating a home.
I have been a reader of this newsletter for a while, but have seen little on the application of untreated WVO for Home Heating purposes. I am looking for specific information - and i may not find it. In short, is there a unit or design plan for an easy to use automated WVO home heating unit? I am aware of waste oil burners for commercial use, which atomize fuel with an air compresor. I am aware of Mother Jone's asbestos plate drip method. The problem with these are noise (air compressor) and safety (the drip method is really not a unit that could heat a enclose water system.) Teh baddington burner is not an option either. Is there are duel fuel oil burner: burn home heating oil(HHO) to heat home and my WVO tank to temperature, then automatically switch to WVO at xdegrees for easy atomization. Then run down on HHO to avoid any carbon deposits. I would think this has been done but maybe not? I have seen ads for TCD enterprises waste oil burner, and am contacting them directly. DOn't know if they fit the bill. So, maybe I missed a posting or maybe it can't be done. BUT.. if it can... well, it would be nice. thanks. dan Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Buy Stock for $4 and no minimums. FREE Money 2002. http://us.click.yahoo.com/orkH0C/n97DAA/Ey.GAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuels list archives: http://archive.nnytech.net/ Please do NOT send quot;unsubscribequot; messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
