Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
Manolo Rolan wrote: electric engine - good for the main mixer water pump - good for the methoxide mixer solenoid valves - a step to automate the process making to move the methoxide from its mixer to the main mixer after a time thermostat - to shut down an electric heater when a temperature is reached tubes and cables i want to use too a fridge's compressor for the bubble washing and the methanol recovering someone has try to do something like this? is there something i could forget? any extra ideas. Yeah, you forgot sparks, explosions and untimely death -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
Tell me please on wich pieces should I be carefull thanks Manolo Rolan Valencia, spain -Mensaje original- De: David Preskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: viernes, 30 de noviembre de 2001 10:37 Para: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel Manolo Rolan wrote: electric engine - good for the main mixer water pump - good for the methoxide mixer solenoid valves - a step to automate the process making to move the methoxide from its mixer to the main mixer after a time thermostat - to shut down an electric heater when a temperature is reached tubes and cables i want to use too a fridge's compressor for the bubble washing and the methanol recovering someone has try to do something like this? is there something i could forget? any extra ideas. Yeah, you forgot sparks, explosions and untimely death -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=879172/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-75f http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705083269:HM/A=879172/rand=226884761 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/kL8TtD/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
M Rolan wrote: Tell me please on wich pieces should I be carefull If you're using the methoxide process, do not use equipment that is not intrinsically safe for use in potentially explosive atmosheres. washing machine motors have carbon brushes on a commutator which are very efficient spark generators Solenoid valves - sealed against explosive methanol vapours? water pump - ditto plus pressure thermostat - and if it fails? static protection - you have none And so it goes on. None of this addresses the toxicity of methanol nor the environmental implications of waste water, VOC emissions or glycerol disposal. -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/3FDzZA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
thanks david, i'll think in all those points-Mensaje original- De: David Preskett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: viernes, 30 de noviembre de 2001 11:11 Para: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Asunto: Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel M Rolan wrote: Tell me please on wich pieces should I be carefull If you're using the methoxide process, do not use equipment that is not intrinsically safe for use in potentially explosive atmosheres. washing machine motors have carbon brushes on a commutator which are very efficient spark generators Solenoid valves - sealed against explosive methanol vapours? water pump - ditto plus pressure thermostat - and if it fails? static protection - you have none And so it goes on. None of this addresses the toxicity of methanol nor the environmental implications of waste water, VOC emissions or glycerol disposal. -- Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ADVERTISEMENT http://rd.yahoo.com/M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupweb/S=17050832 69:HM/A=879172/R=0/*http://www.fastweb.com/ib/yahoo-75f http://us.adserver.yahoo.com/l?M=178320.1681224.3270152.1261774/D=egroupmai l/S=1705083269:HM/A=879172/rand=133830524 Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/3FDzZA/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
Hello David M Rolan wrote: Tell me please on wich pieces should I be carefull If you're using the methoxide process, do not use equipment that is not intrinsically safe for use in potentially explosive atmosheres. washing machine motors have carbon brushes on a commutator which are very efficient spark generators But many people use electric motors of some ilk to stir their BD. And water pumps, and thermostats, and more. Haven't heard of any accidents yet. So what would you suggest? Industrial-level safety that would pass the official inspectors' tests? For backyarders? Solenoid valves - sealed against explosive methanol vapours? water pump - ditto plus pressure thermostat - and if it fails? static protection - you have none And so it goes on. None of this addresses the toxicity of methanol nor the environmental implications of waste water, VOC emissions or glycerol disposal. You're talking about a commercial operation here. We've just been discussing the toxicity of methanol, we've just established that the environmental implications of waste water are essentially a non-issue, we've just agreed that glycerine disposal is also a non-issue because it's too useful to dispose of. Are you saying we should all go full-scale commercial or give up? I'd vouch that many or most of the biodiesellers on this list are as aware as or more aware of environmental issues than commercial operations (which will comply as much as they have to, because they have to, not because they care), and we all insist on full safety precautions - but this kind of safety overkill will just price us right out of the operation. And it is overkill. And seems to be rather contrary to your sig, below. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/f00vhB/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
As an Environmental Engineer, I can«t turn my head on some of the previously discussed issues, but I must agree with Keith. As backyarders, maybe industrial-level safety should merely be reduced to good ventilation and other low-budget precautions. You usually can«t get explosion-proof devices without sky-rocketing your costs. The again, I«m still in the theory process, and haven«t yet performed a batch of BD (hopefully this -southern- summer or fall at the latest). So please don«t laugh at my suggestions if the practice has shown they are not feasible. Regarding the thermostat, just to mention one thing, I had thought of using a small diameter copper piping inside the reactor. A small fish-tank pump (hopefully would resist 55 deg) could push the water into the piping from a separate water container. A fish-tank thermostat would heat the water to 55 deg in this separate water tank. So 55 deg water would flow through the piping into the container. Please someone tell me if this idea is too obtuse (I don«t know if copper piping can be used in the reactor)... but still, the idea is that this can be built away from the reactor, and in the worse of cases, small explosion-proof boxes can be built to house these electric devices. That is, any hermetic container can have a couple of holes made to let the tubing through, and these holes can be hermetically sealed later. The rest is just proper ventilation. I«m just thinking out loud, because I still lack the experience, but I think there are home-made solutions regarding explosion safety. There«s not much I can say on VOC«s and all the rest of the environmental concerns, but most RD must leave these issues aside to be able to get somewhere. It«s like saying developing countries demand to emit an amount of CO2 to be able to develop. Christian. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel Hello David M Rolan wrote: Tell me please on wich pieces should I be carefull If you're using the methoxide process, do not use equipment that is not intrinsically safe for use in potentially explosive atmosheres. washing machine motors have carbon brushes on a commutator which are very efficient spark generators But many people use electric motors of some ilk to stir their BD. And water pumps, and thermostats, and more. Haven't heard of any accidents yet. So what would you suggest? Industrial-level safety that would pass the official inspectors' tests? For backyarders? Solenoid valves - sealed against explosive methanol vapours? water pump - ditto plus pressure thermostat - and if it fails? static protection - you have none And so it goes on. None of this addresses the toxicity of methanol nor the environmental implications of waste water, VOC emissions or glycerol disposal. You're talking about a commercial operation here. We've just been discussing the toxicity of methanol, we've just established that the environmental implications of waste water are essentially a non-issue, we've just agreed that glycerine disposal is also a non-issue because it's too useful to dispose of. Are you saying we should all go full-scale commercial or give up? I'd vouch that many or most of the biodiesellers on this list are as aware as or more aware of environmental issues than commercial operations (which will comply as much as they have to, because they have to, not because they care), and we all insist on full safety precautions - but this kind of safety overkill will just price us right out of the operation. And it is overkill. And seems to be rather contrary to your sig, below. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Recycling - not a chore more a way of life Dave Preskett [EMAIL PROTECTED] The BioComposites Centre University of Wales, Bangor Deiniol Road Bangor Gwynedd LL57 2UW Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ __ mensaje enviado desde http://www.iespana.es emails (pop)-paginas web (espacio ilimitado)-agenda-favoritos (bookmarks)-foros -Chat Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http
Re: [biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
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[biofuel] washing machine and biodiesel
Yesterday caming from the cinema i found a washing machine on the trash, i took my screw-driver and my pliers and i started to take pieces from it, i found those parts interesting to make a new brand biodiesel processor. electric engine - good for the main mixer water pump - good for the methoxide mixer solenoid valves - a step to automate the process making to move the methoxide from its mixer to the main mixer after a time thermostat - to shut down an electric heater when a temperature is reached tubes and cables i want to use too a fridge's compressor for the bubble washing and the methanol recovering someone has try to do something like this? is there something i could forget? any extra ideas. if it works i would share the experience and the photos, if it doesn't just the experience :-) thanks in advance Manuel Rolan Valencia, Spain Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Universal Inkjet Refill Kit $29.95 Refill any ink cartridge for less! Includes black and color ink. http://us.click.yahoo.com/f00vhB/MkNDAA/ySSFAA/FGYolB/TM -~- Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Please do NOT send unsubscribe messages to the list address. To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
