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Jan, Could you please give references of the research papers on SVO use and deposit formation as mentioned in your e-mail bellow? No doubt about the conclusions but I would like to understand this issue in more detail. Best regards, Armando A.C. Rodrigues Av Francisco O. Magumbwe, 149 C.P 3279 Maputo 2 Maputo - Moambique e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Mensagem original- De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] nome de Jan Warnqvist Enviada: quarta-feira, 30 de Maro de 2005 17:08 Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Assunto: Re: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello Luke. I agree with you fully, but do not forget that SVO have a lower cetane number, and they tend to form deposits in the combustion surroundings. These deposits have a high cracking point (550-600oC) and the diesel engine is built for fuel with a max boiling point of 350oC, so the deposits will continue to form and grow until they cause trouble. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult
RE: [Biofuel] Set up help
Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems. - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7 with no ill effects. Good luck. Gene, from the wild beaches of San Diego,CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing
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Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems. - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7
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Hello Luke. I agree with you fully, but do not forget that SVO have a lower cetane number, and they tend to form deposits in the combustion surroundings. These deposits have a high cracking point (550-600oC) and the diesel engine is built for fuel with a max boiling point of 350oC, so the deposits will continue to form and grow until they cause trouble. Best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 4:13 PM Subject: @SPAM+ Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run
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I am not aware of a study contradicting their opinion but if you heat wvo to at least 160F you will see that the viscosity is similar to diesel. Using wvo as your primary fuel your payback on your genset will be very short depending on the daily use. The payback on my gensets is 3.5 months. Gene -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2005 6:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Thanks for you input, I like the idea of capturing the heat and using it. I did just run into this from Biomass 2004 Biodiesel handling and use guidelines by the DOE enerty Efficiency and Renewable Energy. Raw or refined vegetable oil, or recycled greases that have not been processed into biodiesel, are not biodiesel and should be avoided. Research shows that vegetable oil or greases used in CI engines at levels as low as 10% to 20% can cause long-term engine deposits, ring sticking, lube oil gelling, and other maintenance problems and can reduce engine life. These problems are caused mostly by the greater viscosity, or thickness, of the raw oils (around 40mm 2/s) compared to that of of the diesel fuel for which the engines and injectors were designed (between 1.3 an d4.1 mm @/s). To avoid viscosity-related problems, vegetable oils and other feedstocks are converted into biodiesel. Through the process of converting vegetable oil or greases to biodiesel, we reduce viscosity of the fuel to values similar to conventional diesel fuel (biodiesel values are typically between 4 and 5 mm 2.s). I just paid $4000 for a genset and would like it to last the 20,000 to 50,000 hours it was designed for. Are there any studies out there that contradict the DOEs studies? - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/29/2005 10:45 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Jeremy: I started with an 8KW china diesel which runs at 2000rpm and consumed .8 gallons per hour. I now do not consider these china diesels capable of 24/7 operation, eventhough I did get 6,200 hours out of one. I am now using a Detroit 2-71 12 KW genset which consumes 1.1 gallons per hour of wvo. I have only been using the Detroit genset for two weeks now but I do like the fact that it revolves at a slow 1200 rpm and does not have a fuel injection pump like most diesel engines. I don't just produce electricity I also use the waste heat from the cooling system as well as the waste heat from the exhaust. The waste heat is used to heat up the vege oil and warm the water on my fish farm so the little rascals don't go into hybernation. If you make use of all of the parasitic heat available from your genset you will have no problem running straight veg oil, I don't care if you live in Alaska. It freezes where I am and I still had to install a swamp cooler to keep the generator room comfortable. Make use of the water jacket heat and exhaust heat to provide your domestic hot water and heat your house. I have not had any fuel system maladies. Most of the problems I was experiencing with the China diesels was with the valve train...they needed valve jobs every 2000 hours. My learning curve is rather long at this point so don't hesitate to pick my brain as you progress. I am now in the process of installing a 20 KW Northern Lights genset which has a similar engine to your Isuzu. It has the Bosh/Kiki fuel injection pump. I do not expect to have any problems with that conversion to wvo. Good luck. Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Jeremy Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2005 7:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems
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On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello out there in biofuel land! Hello Luke, I can't be of much help but I am thinking of using a 16'x8' box off of a NRR Isuzu box truck for my biodiesel project. I bought the truck with a bad engine for $750. The box has a roll up rear door and a hinged side door. It's insulated including the floor, has a roof AC , LP heating system, and flouresent lights. If my project is more sucessful than I think it will be I can always add another similar box beside it for additional storage. Incidentally I did fix the diesel engine and put on a flat bed so I figure the box doesn't own me much. Good luck . Jerry, Northern Wi ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hello all, I was just thinking to ask about the following conversion kits, than I have read the e-mail by Mark. Does anybody at the list have experience with the below links? http://www.greasel.com http://www.greasecar.com What are the drawbacks? Regards Burak Hi Luke You should be able to run the generator directly off the Waste Oil (Veggie). It has been done in cars for years. The things you need to do are: 1) Filter the oil (10 microns or less) 2) Per heat the oil to 150+ degrees F before entering the injector pump. This is normally done with waste heat from the engine. Easy to do on a water cooled engine. 3) Start and Stop the generator on Diesel. (5-10min shutdown cycle) 4) If it is really cold you may need to heat the oil tank to get the oil to flow/pump. The Veggie oil will solidify at low temperatures, especially if there are animal fats mixed in. (IE: deep fryer waist) If you want to switch over faster when you start, then a electric preheat may be in order. Here are a few links to car conversions. http://www.greasel.com http://www.greasecar.com Have fun Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Running the generator on SVO seems a good idea, on the other hand, should you get into BD making- Jeep came out with the Liberty CRD - a common rail diesel design, and possibly of interest to you, up there in Montana. Common rail diesels probably won't run on SVO, but they do run on BD. So then, getting into the BD may be what you wantto do. The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. And this is another consideration, converting the generator to SVO doesn't take as much time as getting started with BD. Happy planning!Stephan Darryl McMahon wrote: Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much t I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
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Hee hee! Chris Kueny Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
RE: [Biofuel] Set up help
Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7 with no ill effects. Good luck. Gene, from the wild beaches of San Diego,CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
HEATING Sorry. stephan torak wrote: Hi Darryl! Running the generator on SVO seems a good idea, on the other hand, should you get into BD making- Jeep came out with the Liberty CRD - a common rail diesel design, and possibly of interest to you, up there in Montana. Common rail diesels probably won't run on SVO, but they do run on BD. So then, getting into the BD may be what you wantto do. The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. And this is another consideration, converting the generator to SVO doesn't take as much time as getting started with BD. Happy planning!Stephan Darryl McMahon wrote: Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much t I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
I would much rather be in a heated area than a hated area... What I really want to know is how much time would I be spending to produce 100 gal of B100 per month? Luke - Original Message - From: stephan torakmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/28/2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Hi again No, hating the BD production area won't do, I meant HEATING Sorry. stephan torak wrote: Hi Darryl! Running the generator on SVO seems a good idea, on the other hand, should you get into BD making- Jeep came out with the Liberty CRD - a common rail diesel design, and possibly of interest to you, up there in Montana. Common rail diesels probably won't run on SVO, but they do run on BD. So then, getting into the BD may be what you wantto do. The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. And this is another consideration, converting the generator to SVO doesn't take as much time as getting started with BD. Happy planning!Stephan Darryl McMahon wrote: Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#starthttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much t I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuelhttp://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
I don't hate my production area. I actually like it allot. lol :) - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Don't hate it. You won't want to spend any time there. Hee hee! Chris Kueny Cayce, SC - Original Message - From: stephan torak [EMAIL PROTECTED] The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Luke and Gene, Running straight WVO through your genset is great if you life in sunny california, but I would not rely on that in Missoula. WVO in Missoula would require a hefty investment in time and materials to create an environment equal to that of california in a shed. Also, it is very difficult to collect WVO oil in freezing temps, or do anything with WVO in freezing temps. I have a 12k isuzu generator that I am hoping to run with a diesel/biofuel mix. I think the best we could do is Biofuel in the summer and a mix in the winter, something greater than 50/50. I think it would be best to process your fuel in the summer, and store it with diesel for the winter. That would require knowing how much fuel you would need over the winter, probably close to a half gallon an hour for you lister petter. Gene: could you describe your generator, what load you run, how much fuel you burn, how long you run it, how old is it, how often do you maintain the fuel system, any unexpected problems. - Original Message - From: Gene Chaffin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 8:41 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Set up help Luke: Don't bother making biodiesel for your stationary genset. Simply filter the wvo to 5 microns, heat it to 160 degrees and burn it directly in your genset. I've been doing this for over a year now with my stationary genset, running it 24/7 with no ill effects. Good luck. Gene, from the wild beaches of San Diego,CA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
I'm new to the list, and very serious about getting a processor together as soon as I've managed to get good at making small batches. Diesel is $2.75 a gallon here, so making it at 70 cents is tremendously appealing, and I'm very much dependent upon my beloved 96 Dodge 2500 Cummins 4x4, Hank the Tank for his heavy lifting capability which my business depends upon. A couple questions: It would seem to me that the very best material for the tanks in a BD processor would be stainless steel, right? Where might one order a Ph meter? Does anyone have connections for the necessary chemicals in northern CA? I read one method of making BD that uses sulphuric acid, and I'm pretty sure I can't get that at Walmart, is it necessary to use this evil stuff? thanx! Amy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Once you have everything set up (and to get there is not altogether a trivial undertaking) ...Here is how I like to do it. I process 100 l batches of Vegoil, a batch at a time. That will fill a drum (55 gal) about halfway, with 20 l of Methylhydroxide added to that. This'll get you a bit less than 100l of BD. So, in order to get the quantity you want (100 gal BD), you'll process about 4 batches a month.You'll be in and out of your production area for a period of 4 to8 days in a month, depends on the timing tricks you come up with. (Wash one batch, preheat WVO in the other tank at the same time, and remove glycerol from the processor, so you do a lot of things in one session) . (In the beginning, you'll be camping out there, more or less.) Now, the reason I do it in 100l batches, is my choice but it makes for simpler math and container sizes that I was able to scrounge. Oil drums are mostly free. Using the links in the Journey To Forever and reading is an absolute MUST. Step 1 make Kitchen quantites...1l jars etc (find a cheap supplier for Methyl alcohol) practice titration, etc see what happens, if Step2 provide Hd and ventilated production area If you already have that, GREAT! Step3 plan and build the production system, scrounge for parts, Journey to forever has lots of systems photographed, people have put an enormous amount of time into showing how they did it, and its free for the taking. Where else do you get this nowadays. Step4 build the system, make BD and refine the process. Above all don't forget that you have a family in the house.The more you automate, the less time you spend in production. Automation is a wide open field. There is such a potential to come up with something no one has thought of before. I also want to mention the pre assembled processors that you can buy, (as listed where? ...Journey to forever, wherelse) these folks deserve every penny for their brainchildren, and if you buy one of those you'll go into BD production in no time, of course, its an investment. Stick with one stage processing, enclose the reactor, think about recuperating Methyl alcohol later on, The foolproof method is not as foolproof as it sounds, it is a two stage process (one of the pitfalls I traipsed into, but I'll be back) ). The planning and preparation of going into production is really what decides your success. Watch the materials you use, many plastics don't stand up. And watch your health. (Mental included) I hope that in paraphrasing what I have learned from you guys I'm not stepping on anyone's toes and if I did I apologize alles klar, Aleks, Greetings, Stephan WM LUKE MATHISEN wrote: I would much rather be in a heated area than a hated area... What I really want to know is how much time would I be spending to produce 100 gal of B100 per month? Luke - Original Message - From: stephan torakmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03/28/2005 9:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Set up help Hi again No, hating the BD production area won't do, I meant HEATING Sorry. stephan torak wrote: Hi Darryl! Running the generator on SVO seems a good idea, on the other hand, should you get into BD making- Jeep came out with the Liberty CRD - a common rail diesel design, and possibly of interest to you, up there in Montana. Common rail diesels probably won't run on SVO, but they do run on BD. So then, getting into the BD may be what you wantto do. The area that you will use for production should be hated, you'll spend SOME TIME there. And this is another consideration, converting the generator to SVO doesn't take as much time as getting started with BD. Happy planning!Stephan Darryl McMahon wrote: Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.htmlhttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#starthttp://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I
RE: [Biofuel] Set up help
Hi Luke You should be able to run the generator directly off the Waste Oil (Veggie). It has been done in cars for years. The things you need to do are: 1) Filter the oil (10 microns or less) 2) Per heat the oil to 150+ degrees F before entering the injector pump. This is normally done with waste heat from the engine. Easy to do on a water cooled engine. 3) Start and Stop the generator on Diesel. (5-10min shutdown cycle) 4) If it is really cold you may need to heat the oil tank to get the oil to flow/pump. The Veggie oil will solidify at low temperatures, especially if there are animal fats mixed in. (IE: deep fryer waist) If you want to switch over faster when you start, then a electric preheat may be in order. Here are a few links to car conversions. http://www.greasel.com http://www.greasecar.com Have fun Mark -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WM LUKE MATHISEN Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 11:39 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] Set up help Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much time will I need to spend in production once it is set up? I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke From the wild hills of Montana ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Set up help
Likely more than you want to know here: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel.html To make your own, start here. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start (Thank you Keith and Midori.) From: WM LUKE MATHISEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 12:39:14 -0700 Subject:[Biofuel] Set up help Send reply to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello out there in biofuel land! I live in Montana near Missoula, off the grid, our primary energy source is solar and our backup is a recently acquired diesel generator, to be precise a 7500 watt Lister Petter, prior to that we used a converted propane generator. We are very happy with the switch to diesel (it reduced our fuel costs by 2/3rds). Every week I go into Missoula (I am an accountant) and work at a restaurant. The restaurant pays $25 per month to get rid of their used waste oil. I could very easily pick up waste oil from that restaurant (and other restaurants) and bring it back to make biodiesel for my generator. My concerns are fuel quality so I don't end up damaging my generator and attracting bears (we had 2 house break-ins last fall). I am looking at producing 50-100 gals per month in the winter (sometimes we will go two weeks or more with no direct sunlight, or no solar-days as I call them) and half that in the summer. What will my startup costs be? How much space will I need, for production and storage? How much t I am currently in the process of planning a enclosure for the generator and it seemed to make since to include space for making and storing the biodisel. Can someone point me in the right direction? Luke -- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.com/ It's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
