Re: [svg-developers] Wrapping Text in SVG 2
Hi Doug, I guess that height would also be needed for vertical fonts? I think I saw you mention that in one of your links... I can't really figure out how this would work for a text with a mixture of spans of horizontal / vertical text, but that's why I don't write specs! :) What if a text element has a textPath in it? If a word on a path would be displayed outside of the text's width, what should happen? Would the whitespace property work with this (i.e. what values, if any, would be supported for the CSS whitespace property)? Would overflow-wrap/word-wrap: break-word work with this? (i.e. for words that are longer than the text area is wide) Would any of these CSS properties be supported: line-break, word-break, hyphens? Thanks, Jeff On Tue, Jun 4, 2013 at 11:57 PM, Doug Schepers d...@schepers.cc wrote: ** Hi, folks- Some of you may remember me, though I haven't been very active in this list for a while. I work for W3C, I'm on the SVG Working Group, and I've been developing SVG apps and docs since about 2000 (though I'm a little rusty with development :D). I'm writing today to mention a proposal for the SVG 2 spec, and to solicit feedback. Over the years, I've spoken to many people who use SVG, and one of the pain points they remark on is wrapping text (aka multi-line text or flowing text). For a while now, we've planned to allow text wrapping into arbitrary shapes, most recently as part of the CSS regions, exclusions, and shapes specs. But those might take a while. In the short term, I think there's room for simple text wrapping based on CSS's box model. Effectively, by providing a width to a text element in SVG, it would wrap the text to that width. I think this is a pretty simple proposal, and it could be implemented fairly quickly after being specced out in SVG 2. You can read more about my rough proposal here: * http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/Proposals/Wrapping_Text * http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2013Jun/0007.html * http://schepers.cc/its-a-wrap * http://schepers.cc/svg/text/text-wrap-width.svg * http://schepers.cc/svg/text/text-wrap-width-tspan.svg As regular users of SVG, I'd like to know if there are any considerations we should take into account, if you feel this would meet your needs for use in SVG, or if you have any concerns. Regards- -Doug [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] How to file bug reports in all the different browsers
The Chrome/Chromium link is: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/list You need this since Chrome is no longer based on WebKit (read up on Blink if you're interested in the details). Jeff On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 2:51 AM, meikelneu meikel...@yahoo.com wrote: ** --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, David Dailey ddailey@... wrote: I can't remember how to file bug reports in all the different browsers - they seem intent on making sure that only devotees are allowed to complain, David I can feel your pain, but on the other hand we should be happy that there are multiple browser vendors active and listening and at least for webkit the process is very transparent. For your reference and others https://bugs.webkit.org/ https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/ https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/ http://connect.microsoft.com/IE Michael [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] XML:ID And Ethnicity - Multiple Attributes
Use the class attribute? On Mon, Oct 22, 2012 at 3:48 PM, jamesd jcdeeri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** I am trying to make sense out of the xml:id tag and its usage as an attribute definer. Reading the web doesn't offer anything but contradictions. It seems that some want it to go away, leaving no way to specify a common attributes, and just have a unique id be used. This leaves a non-politically correct person, like myself perplexed. If several SVG or CSS components have a common attribute, how do I group these elements by attribute? It would appear that the HTML name is being deprecated, I assumed that xml:id would be its replacement. I like to think of ethnicity in this regard. When I am asked my ID, I have a name. I also check the ethnicity of white. So, I have two distinct identifying characteristics. In my example for utilizing a singular display canvas for tablets and HDTV screens, I have grouped several g elements with unique ids, but with the same common denominator xml:id. This allows the display of the elements to be controlled by id and a common xml:id attribute at the same time. Makes sense to me, but others disagree, such as Opera. If xml:id is not meant to be used in this way, could someone try to explain how to keep the two identifiers, without using xml:id and without a complex javascript routine? Simplicity is best for me. Example file works with Firefox, Chrome and IE, not with Opera. http://sites.google.com/site/jcdsvg/use.svg Thanks; James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Chrome not rendering image as expected (other browsers do)
Looks fine to me in Chrome on OSX. What OS is this? Jeff On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:53 AM, AndrewB a.j.bras...@open.ac.uk wrote: ** Hello I'm hoping to get some guidance on why Chrome is not rendering a SVG image as expected. Here is a svg file which displays two icons http://www.basher-sounds.co.uk/ou/svg/test/icon-test-defs.svg . They both render as expected in recent versions of Firefox, Safari, and IE9. However in Chrome the lightbulb icon (on the right) has a missing ellipse which it appears as white blob. Both the icons were created in Adode Illustrator then exported as SVG. (Note- I edited the element ids to amke them unique so that many such icon defintions can be used in the same SVG file). FYI here is a PNG showing how the lightbulb icon should appear http://www.basher-sounds.co.uk/ou/svg/test/position.png and here is one showing the icon as it appears in Chrome http://www.basher-sounds.co.uk/ou/svg/test/position-icon-chrome.png (i.e. with a white blob). Can anyone tell me if there is known issue with Chrome that might be causing this? The ellipse has a linear gradient and a feColorMatrix filter but Googling arouund I can't see any issues reported but might have missed them. Any help much appreciated! Thanks and best wishes Andrew [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Group question concerning SVG in multiple browsers
Why are you mailing around a HTML file? :) Jeff On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Brian Birtles birt...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Christian, I am unable to see the attachment. Perhaps you could copy the SVG file into your message? Or send a link to the file? Thanks, Brian (2012/03/05 22:33), mitmutzumglu...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello, I am just new in the group because I am currently starting my first SVG web page. It should run not only by web access but also locally in a web browser. And so I have made a single HTML file with SVG embedded and some javascript manipulation to change colors in my image. I tried it with Firefox and was impressed about how easy it is. But then I realized that Chrome browser could not render my picture correctly and also the interactivity did not work. IE 8 refused this page completely. Now I am looking for any solution for my problem. Does anybody know how I can change my web page to work perfect within about 95% of the existing web browsers? I have attached the file. And here are some ideas that I did not carry out so far, what is the best? 1) I can make multiple pictures (PNG) out of my SVG drawing and replace picture parts by Javascript on demand = HTML4 compatible and 100% browser support but bad solution for scaling and user interactivity 2) I can use a Javascript library like Raphael = cross-browser support? How do I have to change my page? Thanks for your help! Christian [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG for android?
Any phone with Ice Cream Sandwich (ICS), the newest release of Android, has SVG support in the browser. Any tablet that has, I think, Honeycomb also has browser support for SVG. Also, Firefox and Opera have downloads for Android. Jeff On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 10:59 AM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.netwrote: ** Does anyone know if it is possible to get an Android cell phone to support SVG? Near as I can tell the thing makes a decent cell phone, but despite my recent upgrade of the system software, it still doesn't display the most basic of SVG documents. Do I need to use Opera Mobile instead of whatever dysfunctional version of Chrome that they've shipped with the thing? Or is there a magical upgrade that I need to push special buttons to activate? Cheers David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Scaling behaviour and the browser
Also, give links to your bug and update it so that the test file actually works. https://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49093 Jeff On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:31 PM, Marty Sullivan dark3...@gmail.com wrote: Well I can't tell by a quick glance at your demos, but maybe go in depth into what tags you're trying to use and we can come up with a bug report to submit. I only use basic aspects of SMIL like animate animateTransform animateMotion and a few others, but all of those work fine in Chrome. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 4:09 PM, jamesd jcdeeri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** Then why does my demo not? James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Scaling behaviour and the browser
You have to reduce your problem down to as-small-as-possible test case and then attach it to the bug. Jeff On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:54 PM, jamesd jcdeeri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** View demo, view source, select all, copy and paste into text editor. Good luck getting anyone to care. James --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Marty Sullivan dark3251@... wrote: Well I can't tell by a quick glance at your demos, but maybe go in depth into what tags you're trying to use and we can come up with a bug report to submit. I only use basic aspects of SMIL like animate animateTransform animateMotion and a few others, but all of those work fine in Chrome. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Scaling behaviour and the browser
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:20 PM, jamesd jcdeeri...@yahoo.com wrote: ** No, I don't. Not my problem. Lol. Actually it is - you discovered it :) Now who doesn't care? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Scaling behaviour and the browser
No, the issue is that you can't select a previously selected color. On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:11 PM, t...@ymail.com t...@ymail.com wrote: ** --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, jamesd jcdeering1@... wrote: David wrote Of course that leaves out the one browser that doesn't do SMIL. Wrong. Google Chrome (Webkit) doesn't support SMIL either. I just posted an example of this when I saw this post (I know, lousy houseguest) but, if you want to see that it is so, see my example at: https://sites.google.com/site/jcdsvg/ You mean the shirt color change? Works for me in Chromium. A bit slow, but works. (chrome://version says Chromium 14.0.835.202, WebKit 535.1) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Caching SVG produced by PHP file
It's not clear to me why you need to use embed and not object for your cached version. Can you have your PHP file check for the existence of the cached SVG file on your server? If not present, generate the file. If present, send that file's contents to the client. Jeff On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 6:55 AM, luftikus_143 st.schwar...@gmail.comwrote: ** Hi there, I would like to cache the SVG files which I generate via PHP. But it seems a bit difficult. When I first call the PHP file which produces the SVG, I use the OBJECT element to display it on the website: object id='svg_object' data='data_vis_bars_svg.php' type='image/svg+xml' width='1150' height='500'/object But when caching the SVG file, I can't use the OBJECT anymore, but must use the EMBED instead: embed id='svg_object' src='../etc/cache/data_vis_bars_svg.svg' type='image/svg+xml' width='1150' height='500'/embed Do you know of any intelligent workaround here? Not sure what I can do about this... Thanks for any hints! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Communication with windows app
evt.target is the element that was the target of the event
On Nov 10, 2011 5:15 PM, Narcis narcisvasi...@yahoo.com wrote:
**
I made a windows application which display a svg doc in an IE webbrowser
control, with ASV.
My svg doc have this functions:
script type=text/ecmascript
![CDATA[
function changeColor(evt) {
evt.target.setAttributeNS(null,fill,rgb(255,0,0)); }
]]
/script
So when I click a svg element it's color change to red. How can I tell to
my application what object I just clicked? How can I send to my app the
evt.target.getAttributeNS(null,id) value?
I used copyToClipboard(evt.target.getAttributeNS(null,id)); and it
works, but in IE only, not in my webbrowser control :(
Do you have some suggestion? I just spent hours on google searching for
this, without success.
Thank you.
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Re: [svg-developers] svg wiki space
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 1:12 PM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.netwrote: ** I know some of you may have tired of this discussion from the last time it emerged, but perhaps technologies have changed in the past two years. Might there be some wiki-ish space that the SVG community could camp in and set up tents and exhibits and tables with wares and perhaps the occasional live entertainment, and which would leave legacy footprints with semi-permanent URL's? At the risk of sounding like a mindless Google drone, has anyone ever tried out Google Sites http://sites.google.com/? In combination with Google Docs, Google Groups, Google+ there are a lot of options for collaboration, discussion and sharing. Of course there are lots of other options too, but it seems like no one has the energy to get the domain, host a site, maintain CMS software, etc. Regards, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] getBBox of a stroked object
svg-edit uses its own getStrokedBBox() function: http://code.google.com/p/svg-edit/source/browse/trunk/editor/svgcanvas.js#645 which, as you say, was non-trivial. Jeff On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 7:11 AM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.netwrote: ** I'm certain this topic has been discussed before (perhaps even by me), so please forgive any duplication. In the example at http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/svg/B/bbox2.3.svg the bounding box around the curve (as drawn by script) does not factor in the stroke-width. Is there a method that does this? Given that the bounds of the stroke will be parallel to the curve itself and I assume (though I don't see instructions in the spec [1] ) that offsets are determined by lines perpendicular to tangents to the curve at its endpoints, calculating the actual bounding box might not be an easy scripting exercise. Thanks in advance David [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG/painting.html#StrokeProperties [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified
Looks like filters are coming in IE10 (yay!). On the other hand, it doesn't look very good for SMIL (boo) or SVG fonts (meh). And yes, Francis, by my count, 55% of the web can see SVG right now and only a small portion of those are using IE9. Jeff On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Jacob Beard jbea...@cs.mcgill.ca wrote: On Sep 16, 2011 10:56 AM, Francis Hemsher fhems...@gmail.com wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, dark3251 dark3251@... wrote: fhemsher@ wrote: 7+48=55 ?? Anyone using Windows7/8 OS can access the app...U.S. stats: 48% and increasing about 8% per month. Not necessarily true because Win7 comes with IE8 installed which has 0 SVG support. You are also sacrificing a very large portion of SVG functionality with IE9. This is just not so. What 'very large portion' of SVG functionality does IE9 lack? Filters [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG Drawing Tool - Simplified
if(user.indexOf(MSIE 9.0)==-1 user.indexOf(MSIE 10.0)==-1) um... I'm not trying to pile on here, but I can't fathom why you would design this application for one and only one browser. To my count, you're serving 7% of web users and leaving the other 48% (yes, almost half the web's users) out in the cold. I could understand if there was a specific technology only present in IE9 and not yet in Firefox, Chrome, Safari, and Opera that you needed to use - but is there? You might also want to consider a 'build' step in which you compile all 61 of your JavaScript files into one massive JS to save on requests/downloads/bandwidth. I recommend the Closure compiler: http://code.google.com/closure/compiler/ Jeff On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 3:08 PM, John Delacour j...@bd8.com wrote: ** At 21:14 + 15/09/2011, Francis Hemsher wrote: ...The application loads into IE9/10, and creates SVG drawings for the HTML5 environment. What on earth is/are IE9/10? ;- Should I have one? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Accurate thumbnails
Would something like PhantomJS help: http://code.google.com/p/phantomjs/ ? Jeff On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 9:11 AM, matthias_moran matthias_mo...@yahoo.comwrote: ** Is it possible for a server process to generate accurate bitmap thumbnails of large svg documents ? I've looked at ImageMagik which can use librsvg to do it but how accurate is it ? I don't have a lot of control over the svg document content because it can come from any number of different sources. If it contains ecmascript or other scripts then a script could potentially make it look completely different on the server than it does in a browser. Is it necessary to somehow build a javascript engine into the server to run all the scripts before generating the thumbnails ? Or do people not (yet) do this kind of thing with scripts in svg documents ? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] IE9 and Quirks
Can you explain how you're serving your document, what kind it is and what DOCTYPE you're including? On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 7:34 PM, Chris Peto svg...@resource-solutions.dewrote: ** Hi, I don't understand why IE9 goes to IE 9 Quirks mode, instead of IE9 standard, since svg is implemeted!? I have to go to F12 then IE9 standard. Can anyone explain that or tell me how to get it to go normal IE? Mit freundlichen Grüßen/Regards Chris Peto Freelance System Development, Resource Solutions - Germany Mobile: +49 (0) 173 308 7843 Tel: +49 (0) 6103 80 21 98 http://www.resource-solutions.de SVG editor: http://www.resource-solutions.de/svgeditor.html Opc Servers: http://www.resource-solutions.de/opc.html Wish List: http://www.whatmakesmehappy.biz/ mailto:cp...@resource-solutions.de [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] browser differences in cloning objects that are no longer there
These are not your problems, but: a) cloneNode(false) http://www.w3.org/TR/DOM-Level-3-Core/core.html#ID-3A0ED0A4 takes a boolean, not a string. Any non-empty string is a true value. b) o=evt.currentTarget Creates a global JavaScript variable called 'o' Jeff On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 6:55 PM, David Dailey ddai...@zoominternet.netwrote: ** http://granite.sru.edu/~ddailey/svg/trucking.svg Click on blank space to create a new thing. Click on a thing to rotate it. Opera does it the way I think it should. The other browsers seem to remove it from the DOM. Who is right? I want to make a recursively deep set of objects nested in groups, each of which has a transform applied. If Opera and I are wrong, then how would you do this? Ideas? Thanks IA, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Convert SVG to PDF
Inkscape can export as PDF. On Sep 5, 2011 4:10 AM, scalablev s...@oyvindeid.com wrote: Can anyone recommend a good Asp.Net component for this? The SVG must not be rasterized when converted to PDF. Google suggests these: http://www.aspose.com/categories/.net-components/aspose.pdf-for-.net/key-features.aspx http://www.princexml.com/doc/7.0/svg/ http://www.alt-soft.com/Support_samples_svg_samples.aspx http://www.evopdf.com/html-to-pdf-converter.aspx Any others I should check out? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG Date Chooser (Picker) component
Out of curiosity, why would you choose SVG for this as opposed to HTML? (And just because I can't think of a reason, doesn't mean there isn't a good one.) Jeff 2011/8/21 Zdeněk Kedaj zdenek.ke...@gmail.com ** Hi, Is there any implementation of date chooser (picker) component for SVG? (The link I have found in the mail archive for this topic is outdated.) Generally are there some standard components implemented for SVG? (like combobox, checkbox, etc...) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG editors?
Just an FYI, you can use scour to clean up SVG output by editors... Jeff On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:16 PM, John Delacour j...@bd8.com wrote: At 22:25 + 05/06/2011, afuji1024 wrote: I'd like to create SVG charts from a database app. However, I know nothing about creating SVG, so I'd like to start with an editor, if I can find one... In fact, the more I read the more it seems that I need to do this in JavaScript, rather than directly creating images. Any thoughts? I create all my SVG in Perl, using a private module that I add functions to as new requirements arise. The source of most of the SVG I see is impossibly verbose and inefficient, like html created by some Microsoft programme. If I were you I'd decide which language to work with and do the equivalent of what I do with Perl. JD [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Any SVG editor with a trace function?
I think this would be an interesting idea. Basically you would: a) load an SVG document into the DOM, put it into an invisible container (display:none) b) then walk the DOM in a depth-first fashion, cloning elements one a time, to a visible container Jeff 2011/4/22 Barend Köbben kob...@itc.nl Well, you could do this maybe by scripting, removing the comments line by line, but I guess you could also use Firebug or another such web browser debugger to dissect what is where in the file... -- Barend Köbben ITC - University of Twente, Faculty of Geo-Information Science and Earth Observation PO Box 217, 7500AE Enschede (The Netherlands) On 22-04-11 13:10, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jake, Ouch I am dealing with files that have over 100 lines. Hmm. Time I got down to it. Pranav -Original Message- From: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:svg-developers@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jacob Beard Sent: Friday, April 22, 2011 4:06 PM To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [svg-developers] Any SVG editor with a trace function? Probably the easiest way is to just comment out all of the elements you don't want to see, using XML comments (!-- --), and then iteratively add them back in. Jake On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 2:01 AM, Pranav Lal pranav@gmail.com mailto:pranav.lal%40gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have a large SVG image which I want to dissect. Is there a program in which I can run a SVG image line by line and watch the result much like in a debugger? Pranav [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links Faculty of Geo-Information Science and Earth Observation (ITC) University of Twente Chamber of Commerce: 50130536 E-mail disclaimer The information in this e-mail, including any attachments, is intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or action in relation to the content of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail by mistake, please delete the message and any attachment and inform the sender by return e-mail. ITC accepts no liability for any error or omission in the message content or for damage of any kind that may arise as a result of e-mail transmission. - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Help with viewBox attribute and transforms
This file saved as .xhtml works for me in Chrome, Safari, Firefox, and Opera: ?xml version=1.0? html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; body span class=image svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; version=1.1 width=1000px height=110px svg viewBox=0 0 194 102 preserveAspectRatio=none g rect id=svg_1 height=97 width=189 y=2.5 x=2.5 stroke-width=5 stroke=#00 fill=#FF/ ellipse ry=19 rx=93.5 id=svg_2 cy=52.5 cx=97 stroke-width=5 stroke=#00 fill=#00/ /g /svg /svg /span /body /html The rectangle and ellipse fill up the 1000x110 region defined by the outer SVG. Note that sadly Firefox 3.6-, Safari 5- and Opera 11.10- do not support SVG-in-HTML5 yet so you have to go the XHTML route. Regards, Jeff On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 9:23 AM, johnhind12 john.h...@zen.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm just starting with SVG and tearing my hair out because it is ignoring my attempts to scale an image. I have an SVG 'island' within my DOM as follows: span class=image svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; version=1.1 width=1000px height=110px svg viewBox=0 0 194 102 preserveAspectRatio=none g rect id=svg_1 height=97 width=189 y=2.5 x=2.5 stroke-width=5 stroke=#00 fill=#FF/ ellipse ry=19 rx=93.5 id=svg_2 cy=52.5 cx=97 stroke-width=5 stroke=#00 fill=#00/ /g /svg /svg /span My understanding of this is that it should scale the rectangle and elipse to fill the dimensions of the outer SVG element. But it does not, the shapes remain the size specified regardless of the outer SVG width and height. If the width and height are set less than 194x102, then the shapes are clipped to the size specified. What am I missing here? Note that I have tried it in numerous modern browsers and I have also tried numerous variations including eliminating the inner SVG element and adding its attributes to the outer. One clue is I tried replacing the viewBox attribute with 'transform=rotate(90)' but that has no effect either so it seems transforms are being ignored altogether. Please help me if you can! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] convert SVG to Png on WEB
http://canvg.googlecode.com/ On Thu, Mar 3, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Mr Rauf cute_rauf_...@yahoo.com wrote: hi All, how can i convert my svg file in png or jpeg on my web application?? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] In SVG what is parallel to innerHTML
Raks, There is, unfortunately, no browser that supports innerHTML on SVG content, yet. I wrote a little library that does this: http://innersvg.googlecode.com/ Regards, Jeff On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 4:51 AM, Raks A raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I am changing the SVG content with javascript and after the changes I want to get the changed svg in a text file the way I can do innerHTML for HTML I tried textContent but that does not seem to work Any ideas how can I get the SVG text so that I can save my svg file created with javascript - Raks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Filter Help
On Sun, Feb 20, 2011 at 1:03 PM, patrickdengler patrickdeng...@yahoo.comwrote: I've been stuck on using filters for a very specific effect that I am hoping the experts here can help me with. How exciting!!! :) I was going to suggest feDisplacementMap as a starting point, but I haven't played enough with it yet, sorry. Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] SVG SMIL in Safari ( Test Sample )
Safari is powered by WebKit so you should be able to get some idea by looking at Chrome (though the WebKit powering Safari on iOS is different). Jeff On Feb 19, 2011 6:49 AM, Raks A raks...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I have written a SVG SMIL animation but as I do not have any iOS device can someone help me in comparing the animation in Opera on a Windows Machine and that on a iPhone/iPad/iPod What is seen on Opera is what is expected but if the animation on iPhone/iPad is different than that in Opera then please let me know The animation can be seen on www.telibees.com/iphone_test.svg Regards Raks [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [svg-developers] Re: Native support for page panning in browsers
Hi Francis, On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:29 AM, Francis Hemsher fhems...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Because SVG has no specifics on UI zoom and pan, many of us have had to create script packages to accomplish this. No matter how elegant our zoom/pan works, it still requires the user to 'learn' how to use it within our particular app.: This is a burden to the SVG user. Therefore, SVG must have a basic built-in zoom/pan defined similar to the ASV: CTL-key = zoom box, and the ALT-key = pan hand. De facto UI convention established by a big player is one thing, but I can't see the SVG spec mandating a particular key-combination to achieve a UI effect, if that's what you're suggesting. * What about OSX where cmd is used in place of ctrl for most things? Note that ctrl-scrollwheel on OSX is full-screen zoom on the desktop for OSX. * What about touch-devices? * What about smartphones that don't have a ctrl key? Regards, Jeff [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re:displaying svg on IE after 12-31-08
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Kenneth Nellis nelli...@... wrote: I believe that IE7 renders SVG. And, although Adobe is dropping support for ASV, I wonder if they will still offer it for download on their site. And, if not, if they will allow others to distribute it. Ken Nellis IE6 does not support SVG without a plugin. IE7 does not support SVG without a plugin. IE8 does not support SVG without a plugin. As far as I know, Adobe will still leave the download up after 2008, but they will no longer support the Adobe SVG Viewer. There are other options in various states: Renesis, MozIE, Flex SVG Viewer. Regards, Jeff displaying svg on IE after 12-31-08 Posted by: Fuliopen fulio...@... fuliopen Tue Dec 30, 2008 6:55 am (PST) Hello, Majority of visitors to my web site are still using the IE browser. I ask them to download the ASV to their computers. I like to know that after 2008, is the ASV still available for downloading? If not, what other technologies I can switch to? Thanks for information in this regard. fulio pen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:svg-developers-dig...@yahoogroups.com mailto:svg-developers-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: svg-developers-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Opera 8.5 Support Javascript on SVG Doc?
Just to correct some facts here: - Opera didn't support JavaScript with SVG until 9.0 - there was no Opera 9.3 I highly recommend looking into Mr. Dailey's examples of SVG... Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I believe Opera has supported JavaScript with SVG since about version 8.0. (maybe earlier) Opera is up to 9.6 now so you might want to consider upgrading. The JavaScript engine was rewritten and became faster somewhere around 9.3 or so if my memory is right. Several hundred examples may be seen in http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/ and links leading from there. cheers David - Original Message - From: forever_successful To: svg-developers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:18 PM Subject: [svg-developers] Opera 8.5 Support Javascript on SVG Doc? Hello SVG Developers! I want to ask if Opera 8.5 support JS on SVG Document or not? Thanks, Osama Zakaria. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Opera 8.5 Support Javascript on SVG Doc?
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Charles McCathieNevile [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 03:18:53 +0200, forever_successful [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello SVG Developers! I want to ask if Opera 8.5 support JS on SVG Document or not? From memory, JS support for SVG began with Opera 9. But that was 2 1/2 years ago, so I can't be sure... Yep. I remember it vividly because the effect of migrating from Opera 8.5 to Opera 9 was suddenly all of my demos started working beautifully. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Magic: SVG drag of Element using jquery svg is most simple
Another example: http://www.codedread.com/code.php#dragsvg
svg ...
xmlns:drag=http://www.codedread.com/dragsvg;
onload=initializeDraggableElements()
onmouseup=mouseUp(evt)
onmousemove=mouseMove(evt)
script id=draggableLibrary
xlink:href=http://www.codedread.com/dragsvg.js; /
circle id=ball drag:enable=true fill=green r=200 cx=400
cy=300 /
/svg
Regards,
Jeff
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Cool. You might want to take a look at how dojox.gfx does it, for
example,
here:
http://archive.dojotoolkit.org/nightly/dojotoolkit/dojox/gfx/demos/circles.html
Important code:
function makeCircleGrid(itemCount){
var minR = 10, maxR = surface_size.width / 3;
for(var j = 0; j itemCount; ++j){
var r = getRandSkewed(minR, maxR),
cx = getRand(r, surface_size.width - r),
cy = getRand(r, surface_size.height - r),
shape = surface.createCircle({cx: cx, cy: cy, r: r})
.setFill(randColor(true))
.setStroke({color: randColor(true), width:
getRand(0, 3)})
;
*new dojox.gfx.Moveable(shape);*
}
}
So you basically just instantiate a new shape, and use it to
instantiate a
new Moveable. Pretty clean design, I think,
Jake
On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 8:56 AM, narendra sisodiya
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On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 4:48 PM, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Take a look at
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/makeDragDrop.svg
It doesn't use any external .js, but has relatively simple code
and seems
to
work pretty much everywhere.
David
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Subject: [svg-developers] Magic: SVG drag of Element using
jquery svg is
most simple
Here is a small code segment which give me highest
programmability in
svg,
This need jquery and its svg plugin , It will work in firefox
Please comment on it,, how can i make it better, and cross browser.
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you need these files
jquery.js , jquery.svg.js , jquery.svg.css
most surprisable thing about the code, --
I am calling external function directly and I am using jquery object
$('#mycircle') where id belong to svg element,
This small code give me very surprise ,, and it is working,,
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html
head
script type=text/javascript src=jquery.js/script
script type=text/javascript src=svg/jquery.svg.js/script
style type=text/css
@import svg/jquery.svg.css;
.canvas1
{
position: relative;
height: 400px;
width: 600px;
background: #cc;
border: #ff;
}
/style
script type=text/javascript
var start_drag = null ;
var offsetx =null ;
var offsety =null ;
$(document).ready(function() {
$('#svgintro').svg({onLoad: drawIntro});
});
function now_drag(evt){
if (start_drag==1){
$('#mycircle').attr('cx').baseVal.value = evt.layerX - offsetx;
$('#mycircle').attr('cy').baseVal.value = evt.layerY - offsety;
}
}
function start_dragging(evt){
start_drag = 1;
offsetx = evt.layerX - $('#mycircle').attr('cx').baseVal.value ;
offsety = evt.layerY - $('#mycircle').attr('cy').baseVal.value ;
}
function stop_dragging(evt){
start_drag = 0;
}
function drawIntro() {
var svg = $('#svgintro').svg('get');
svg.describe(Example script01 - invoke an ECMAScript function
from an
onclick event);
svg.circle(300, 150, 50, {
onmousedown:start_dragging(evt),
onmouseup:stop_dragging(evt),
onmousemove:now_drag(evt),
id:mycircle,
fill:red});
svg.text(300, 280, Drag It,
{'font-family':Verdana,
'font-size':20,
'text-anchor':middle
});
}
/script
/head
body
div id=removethis line of text is useless like my friends/div
div class=canvas1 id=svgintro /div
/body
/html
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[svg-developers] Re: FakeSmile: addEventListener load does not work
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann
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Hi David,
It appears that the last line in FakeSmile
window.addEventListener(load, initSMIL, false);
does not work in ASV/IE6. This is not a big problem for me. I just
added a try/catch statement (below) around the last line. ASV
supports SMIL anyway, so it is not a problem.
try {
window.addEventListener(load, initSMIL, false);
}
catch(er) {
//do nothing
}
Thanks for the patch Andreas, hopefully David has time to manually
merge this.
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[svg-developers] Re: Detect SMIL presence with Javascript
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and I forgot to tell you, FakeSMILe doesn't support hasFeature either. yes - I am aware. while we are at FakeSMIL: On a sidenote, the library's name is FakeSmile [1] Not FakeSMILe. Not FakeSMIL. :) I suppose the occasional mis-naming of it on the web actually will help others who don't know the name find the library via search engines, but after awhile it does get a little tiresome ;) Regards, Jeff [1] http://leunen.d.free.fr/fakesmile/ - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Setting value of xlink:href
Erik - very cool thanks for that tip!
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Often overlooked SVG 1.1 DOM syntax[1]:
theimage.href.baseVal = newimage.png;
For a working example see
http://svgopen.org/2008/presentations/70-Tricks_of_Javascript_and_declarative_animation/index.html#slide13
Cheers
/Erik
On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 18:23:04 +0200, Jeff Schiller
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You have to use namespace-aware API methods:
setAttributeNS(http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;, href, signalName);
Regards,
Jeff
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wrote:
I am trying to set the value of xlink:href, but having issues trying
to understand how to set it with the xlink namespace. I am
getting the
value of an id attribute, appending with a .png:, then trying to set
the value of the xlink:href with the value of the id attribute with
the .png appended. It all works, except for accessing and setting the
xlink:href value.
partial code:
g id=img
image id=placeholder x=3 y=3 width=350 height=200
style=visibility: hidden xlink:href=images/img.png/
/g
imgElem = svgdoc.getElementById(placeholder);
signalName = svgdoc.getElementById(elId).getAttribute('id') + .png;
...
imgElem.setAttribute(xlink:href,signalName);
any help is greatly appreciated.
zed
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[svg-developers] Re: Setting value of xlink:href
You have to use namespace-aware API methods:
setAttributeNS(http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;, href, signalName);
Regards,
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I am trying to set the value of xlink:href, but having issues trying
to understand how to set it with the xlink namespace. I am getting the
value of an id attribute, appending with a .png:, then trying to set
the value of the xlink:href with the value of the id attribute with
the .png appended. It all works, except for accessing and setting the
xlink:href value.
partial code:
g id=img
image id=placeholder x=3 y=3 width=350 height=200
style=visibility: hidden xlink:href=images/img.png/
/g
imgElem = svgdoc.getElementById(placeholder);
signalName = svgdoc.getElementById(elId).getAttribute('id') + .png;
...
imgElem.setAttribute(xlink:href,signalName);
any help is greatly appreciated.
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[svg-developers] Re: Safari problem with no nought
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Erik Dahlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The syntax for the begin attribute is borrowed from SMIL, and the grammar doesn't allow for a . to start a Clock-value. Possibly this is because it can cause confusion with id-values, but I haven't looked at it in detail yet. Thanks Erik, then my problem is most likely with the FakeSmile script which, apparently, allows begin=.25s at the moment. I'll raise a bug eventually. Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG support detection in browserland
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Ian Tindale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What methods (perhaps even reliable methods) are favoured for on-the-fly 'detecting' support of SVG either in part or whole? I prefer, where possible to use the HTML object element with HTML fallback for browsers that doesn't support SVG (older browsers and IE). See menu.svgz on my site for an example (http://blog.codedread.com/) By 'in part' I imply within the first two options above: can we usefully or reliably test on an individual 'element' basis whether we're going to get expected results or not, for such things as smil anim, effects, xlink, and so on. Yes. Declaratively, you can do this with the switch element and test attributes (requiredFeatures). See Erik's reply for links to the spec. Procedurally, you can do this with the hasFeature DOM method that David mentioned in his email or you can test that individual DOM attributes/methods exist (not all implementations have covered 100% of the SVG DOM yet). Regards, Jeff Schiller - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG embedded within HTML
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, John C. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I donât know much about XHTML (other than that it is well-formed HTML) so how does a browser go about rendering it? I mean can you do everything you can do in HTML with XHTML? That is, is it a perfectly reasonable thing to do to represent an entire web page in XHTML and not be limited in some way? Functionally, XHTML is nearly equivalent to HTML. There are some gotchas though. For instance, - though browsers support it, the 'target' attribute on links is not part of XHTML 1.x (so your XHTML will not be compliant). Additionally, other HTML deprecated attributes/elements are similarly not compliant (meaning your browser will render and function on them as they would in HTML, but validators will complain). However you should be aware that publishing in XHTML has the following drawbacks: - IE does not support XHTML (the MIME type application/xhtml+xml) so you will need to use some server-side content negotiation (look if the HTTP_ACCEPT header supports that MIME type) and switch to text/html for IE users or they will be left out in the cold - XHTML is XML, so processing will stop if you've made any errors in your page (the entire page will not render, in Firefox this is called a 'Yellow Screen Of Death'). This is good to detect errors if you're publishing a 'static' site, but if you have dynamic or user-contributed content it is much trickier Regards, Jeff Schiller - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG embedded within HTML
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, John C. Turnbull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have another question about SVG support in browsers... Does SVG work just as well in browsers when it's embedded within an HTML document as it does it only work fully when it's an SVG-only document? If you're talking about inline SVG (i.e. the SVG markup directly in the HTML document) then browsers at the moment will not support this in HTML, but only in XHTML. I believe Sam Ruby has experimented with doing inline SVG in HTML on his site (using JS to serialize inline SVG into the HTML DOM). However, you can include-by-reference SVG documents from HTML documents using the HTML object tag - similar to how you would include images using the HTML img tag. This works just fine in all of the SVG-supporting browsers today. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari problem with no nought
[1] describes each of the path commands as having 'coordinates'. [2] says that coordinates are lengths which are numbers which can be in decimal notation: either an integer, or an optional sign character followed by zero or more digits followed by a dot (.) followed by one or more digits. which indicates to me that not including the 'nought' is ok and should be allowed. On the other hand, I'm not sure about begin/end times in SMIL. I noticed last night that Opera seems to have problem with missing nought characters in SMIL events (i.e. begin=.25s). Haven't done any thorough investigation though. These are the types of things we need to include in a 'SVG Torture Test' Regards, Jeff [1] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/paths.html#PathData [2] http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/types.html#DataTypeDecimalNumber --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, John Delacour [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I will usually write 0.5 rather than .5 from my own preference rather than to satisfy any specification, but I see that, while Firefox and Opera render the path bwlow, Safari chokes at the ...11.5,0 .5,11 q...' path d=M 0,0 l 18,0 2,-1 1,-6 11.5,0 .5,11 q 14 3 18,-4 l 39,0 0,-10 -40,0 q -6 -1 -5 -8 l -3,0 0,-2 a 8,8 1,0 1 0 -11 l 0,-4 -21,0 0,4 a 8,8 1,0 1 0 11 l 0,2 -3,0 q -1 4 -10.5 4 l -.5 3 q -8 2 -7 12 fill=burlywood stroke=black opacity=.8 / Does the SVG Specification require me to write the nought in this context? JD - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Event Handling With Overlapping Objects
This appears to be a simple problem, but sadly I haven't yet figured
out a solution.
- contained within the bounding box of a rectangle is a circle
- only when the mouse enters the bounding box of the rectangle, I want
to alert some message
- only when the mouse leaves the bounding box of the rectangle, I want
to alert some message
- when a mouse clicks on the circle, I want to alert some message.
Naïve code thus far:
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
rect width=300 height=300 fill=green
onmouseover=alert('rect.mouseover')
onmouseout=alert('rect.mouseout') /
circle id=circ cx=100 cy=100 r=25 fill=red
onclick=alert('circ.click')/
/svg
The problem of course is that when the mouse moves into the circle,
the mouseout event fires for the rect (even though I'm still within
the rect's bounding box). If I put pointer-events=none on the
circle, then I can no longer capture click events on the circle...
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Jeff Schiller
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[svg-developers] Re: Event Handling With Overlapping Objects
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller
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This appears to be a simple problem, but sadly I haven't yet figured
out a solution.
- contained within the bounding box of a rectangle is a circle
- only when the mouse enters the bounding box of the rectangle, I want
to alert some message
- only when the mouse leaves the bounding box of the rectangle, I want
to alert some message
- when a mouse clicks on the circle, I want to alert some message.
Next iteration (that actually works most of the time):
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
rect id=outer pointer-events=none width=300 height=200
stroke-width=5 visibility=hidden
onmouseout=alert('mouseout');
document.getElementById('inner').setAttribute('pointer-events',
'all');
document.getElementById('outer').setAttribute('pointer-events',
'none') /
rect id=inner x=1 y=1 width=298 height=198 fill=blue
onmouseover=alert('mouseover');
document.getElementById('inner').setAttribute('pointer-events',
'none');
document.getElementById('outer').setAttribute('pointer-events',
'stroke') /
circle cx=100 cy=100 r=25 fill=green
onclick=alert('click') /
/svg
Notice all the extra baggage and the toggling of point-events
attributes... Also, at least my testing on Firefox and Opera in
Ubuntu, the mouseout events are not always captured if you move the
mouse fast enough.
As Doug mentioned on freenode's #svg irc, it sure would be nice to
have something like mouseenter/mouseleave standardized. Is that a DOM
Events thing or something within the purvey of SVG?
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[svg-developers] Re: hyperlink new window problem
I've always used target=_blank (note the underscore) [1], but I don't know if that works in IE7. Regards, Jeff [1] http://www.whatwg.org/specs/web-apps/current-work/#valid10 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, darkolaf77 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bruce I tried your hint, now it links to a SVG file in the same domain. The problem still remains... I even switched off the popup blocker but the problem stays the same. Olaf --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, brucerindahl rindahl@ wrote: Your link is to a different domain. Your file is at www.ika.ethz.ch but the link is to www.ethz.ch IE7 prevents this and I don't know of a work around for it. Try testing by linking to a document in the same domain. Bruce --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Olaf Schnabel oschnabel@ wrote: Hi developers I need a workaround for a linking problem. In my small example http://www.ika.ethz.ch/schnabel/hyperlink.svg I want to click on a rectangle and a new browser window should open. With the first method xlink:show=new, the hyperlink is opened in the same window (works in all browsers). With the second method target=blank, the hyperlink opens in a new window/tab in Opera 9.51, Firefox 3.0.1, IE6 (ASV3 and ASV6 tested) but in IE7 (ASV6) nothing happens. Maybe the IE7 popup-blocker prevents to open a new window out of a SVG file but in HTML in the same browser, target=blank can be used. So maybe I need just another piece of code. Has someone an idea what I can do to get this small SVG example running in IE7? Thanks for your answers. Regards Olaf -- Dr. Olaf Schnabel Institute of Cartography ETH Zurich 8093 Zurich Switzerland tel:++41 44 633 3031 fax:++41 44 633 1153 e-mail: oschnabel@ www private: http://www.ika.ethz.ch/schnabel www project: http://www.e-cartouche.ch www institute: http://www.karto.ethz.ch - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: hyperlink new window problem
Also, I suggest trying ASV3 and Renesis 1.1.1 --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Olaf Schnabel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi developers I need a workaround for a linking problem. In my small example http://www.ika.ethz.ch/schnabel/hyperlink.svg I want to click on a rectangle and a new browser window should open. With the first method xlink:show=new, the hyperlink is opened in the same window (works in all browsers). With the second method target=blank, the hyperlink opens in a new window/tab in Opera 9.51, Firefox 3.0.1, IE6 (ASV3 and ASV6 tested) but in IE7 (ASV6) nothing happens. Maybe the IE7 popup-blocker prevents to open a new window out of a SVG file but in HTML in the same browser, target=blank can be used. So maybe I need just another piece of code. Has someone an idea what I can do to get this small SVG example running in IE7? Thanks for your answers. Regards Olaf -- Dr. Olaf Schnabel Institute of Cartography ETH Zurich 8093 Zurich Switzerland tel:++41 44 633 3031 fax:++41 44 633 1153 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www private: http://www.ika.ethz.ch/schnabel www project: http://www.e-cartouche.ch www institute: http://www.karto.ethz.ch - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Providing for multiple browsers
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, cwflamont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://blog.codedread.com/. http://intertwingly.net/blog. Erm ... this is exactly what I am asking about. Neither of the above blogs work properly in IE, (SVG not rendered, tried on 3 different machines) though in the the case of codedread it looks different depending on whether it has the Adobe viewer plugin plugged in (you get more if it isn't). In both of these blogs, it is somewhat a conscious choice that things don't look as good in IE as they do in other modern browsers. In some small way it is educating people how far behind IE is in implementing standards. Call it a political statement if you want, but I cannot be bothered to work around IE's limitations. What I am trying to do (to start with) is no more than to be able to upload some SVG to my homepage, in whatever form that works, and for most people to be easily able to view it in their browser, whatever it is, (given the Adobe or other viewer if they are IE users) without having to download it first and then open the local file. You can do this today simply by using the object or embed tag. If the user has the plugin installed, the SVG will render. If you want to point them to a download page for a plugin, you will probably need to investigate how this is done (I haven't done the research yet on how best to do this, but this was done with the Flash plugin pretty heavily back in the day - one reason why the Flash plugin enjoys such widespread deployment). - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Providing for multiple browsers
Hello Charles, In my opinion, this depends on the type of SVG you want to embed into your pages. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, cwflamont [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could someone please point me towards recent thinking on how to get SVG content to download and display properly in Multiple browsers? If your content requires scripting, then I think the best approach is still described by my a href=http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2007/01/19/guide-to-deploying-svg-with-html/#includingSVG;guide to deploying SVG/a, which suggests serving objects to non-IE browsers and embed to IE. If your content does not require scripting, then I suggest to simply use object like I do on my blog for clip art: http://blog.codedread.com/. Does referencing the SVG as an object/ make things better or worse? This could be a matter of opinion. I favor object because it allows fallback content for those browsers that do not support SVG (IE without a plugin, Firefox 1.0-, Safari 2.0-, Opera 8.0-). Also, for things like clip art, if you want to update the SVG you need only do it one place and all your pages that reference the SVG are automatically updated. On the other hand, inline SVG conserves HTTP requests and allows for a much easier view-source + copy-paste paradigm, see Sam Ruby's blog: http://intertwingly.net/blog. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG file structure/source code
Hello Nevi, One of the benefits of SVG is that the file _is_ the source code - the image is just plain text, though it may not be obvious to a newbie. If the document you're looking at is a pure SVG file, you can click View Source in your browser. If the document is HTML with an SVG file embedded, in Firefox you can right-click the image, click This Frame View Source (browsers differ on how to do this). If the document is XHTML with an SVG image defined inline (like on http://intertwingly.net/) then you can view the source of the web page and search for svg. Hope that helps, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Neville A [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi:) Is the source code of the actual svg file structure available?? If I can get that, maybe its possible to figure out some stuff.. Does anyone have that?? bye Nevi Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Carousel Animation - any way declaratively?
The use approach is a real fascinating example, but I don't think it would work in my case, since things have to smoothly animate as the icons spin around. I think I'll put together a scripted demo anyway, so that I can more clearly explain the issue. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Erik Dahlström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 05:17:49 +0200, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: David, Painter's Model: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/render.html#PaintersModel I'm not sure, but I think you missed the key aspect here - think of the icons on a carousel that we're looking at on a horizontal elevation. This problem has to do with rendering order more than highlight and event handlers (though that is another interesting topic). Let's say you have 3 icons on the carousel - as it spins, icon 1 (which is to the left of center) and icon 3 (which is to the right) are behind icon 2 (which is in front and center). As the carousel spins clockwise, icon 3 moves to the center and in front (i.e. on top) of the others, while icon 2 is now to the left of center and behind icon 3. Do you see what I mean by z-order? Because the rendering order and overlapping is defined by the order in which the elements appear in the DOM, it seems that you couldn't declaratively do the animation (you'd have to have script to rearrange the nodes as the icons rotate - probably using two halves of the carousel circle as separate rendering groups with nodes being popped and pushed appropriately). Jeff, Have you tried a solution that uses use elements for keeping the z-order the way you want it? Simple example: rect id=a set attributeName=xlink:href to=#a begin=mouseover xlink:href=#top/ /rect rect id=b set attributeName=xlink:href to=#b begin=mouseover xlink:href=#top/ /rect rect id=c set attributeName=xlink:href to=#c begin=mouseover xlink:href=#top/ /rect use id=top xlink:href=#a/ I have been trying to find good solutions to the z-order problem as well, moving elements around in the tree and expecting mouse events to cooperate is quite hard in my experience. That is, if I want something to move to front when I mouseover it, the only way I've found reliable is to use scripting, because the instant I move an element to the top I get another mouse event on whatever was under it (because moving it means take it out of the tree, then inserting it somewhere else), and that makes the element that I wanted to have focus lose it. So, I have to block events until everything is in place. Cheers /Erik -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Carousel Animation - any way declaratively?
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, brucerindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And if you really want to ignite your CPU cooling fan: http://www.lrcwe-data.com/tmp/test2.svg Bruce - that's very clever! Thank you! - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Carousel Animation - any way declaratively?
Think of some icons arranged on a carousel, with an animation that would spin the carousel so that the closest icon to you is the selected icon. Is there any way to do this declaratively? Seems like the z-order and painter's model poses a problem that requires scripting to fix, but I would love to be proven wrong... - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Carousel Animation - any way declaratively?
David, Painter's Model: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/render.html#PaintersModel I'm not sure, but I think you missed the key aspect here - think of the icons on a carousel that we're looking at on a horizontal elevation. This problem has to do with rendering order more than highlight and event handlers (though that is another interesting topic). Let's say you have 3 icons on the carousel - as it spins, icon 1 (which is to the left of center) and icon 3 (which is to the right) are behind icon 2 (which is in front and center). As the carousel spins clockwise, icon 3 moves to the center and in front (i.e. on top) of the others, while icon 2 is now to the left of center and behind icon 3. Do you see what I mean by z-order? Because the rendering order and overlapping is defined by the order in which the elements appear in the DOM, it seems that you couldn't declaratively do the animation (you'd have to have script to rearrange the nodes as the icons rotate - probably using two halves of the carousel circle as separate rendering groups with nodes being popped and pushed appropriately). Anyway, I guess scripting this is not the end of the world, just interesting that it's a situation that cannot be easily handled by animation in SVG. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Schiller wrote: Think of some icons arranged on a carousel, with an animation that would spin the carousel so that the closest icon to you is the selected icon. Is there any way to do this declaratively? Seems like the z-order and painter's model poses a problem that requires scripting to fix, but I would love to be proven wrong... Hi Jeff, Let me see if I understand: suppose we synchronize the position in the carousel with another SMIL timer (as in http://srufaculty.sru.edu/david.dailey/svg/newstuff/SMIL11.svg where activity is either started through SMIL or script) but one that withdraws and reassigns event handlers. Then would your question be equivalent to the question of whether or not we can assign and withdraw event handlers through SMIL. I don't know why z-index would enter, and I don't know what you mean by painter's model. By the selected icon I assume you don't just mean highlighted visually -- since that is pretty easy, if I understand what you mean (the above example withdraws or extends visibility declaratively) but rather enabled to listen for some sort of event. I think Doug Schepers has some similar examples. If I'm following the question then, I would think either trying something like g id=icon onfocus=demonstrateFocus() animate attributeName=onfocus values=demonstrateFocus();null dur=0.5 begin=synchronize.begin fill=freeze/ /g or g id=icon set attributeName=onfocus to=demonstrateFocus() begin=synchronize.begin / /g might do something like what you have in mind, though I rather doubt that the attributes onclick or onfocus or onwhatever are animateable. Does my thinking here have anything to do with the problem you're discussing? I hope so since it seems like an interesting problem. If onclick is not animateable, I suspect there is some gross real world reason that it isn't, cause it would seem like a nice thing to be able to do. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Safari 3 Links broken (target=_top or _parent)
http://bugs.webkit.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15214 :( Can anyone think of a decent way around this? Currently I'm thinking of not even using svg:a elements and just use some script like: g onclick=top.location.href='foo.html' cursor=pointer / The problem with this is that since ASV is a plugin, it does not have permissions to go beyond its own frame and the above fails with a JS error. I need a cross-browser solution (or go vote for the bug so that it gets fixed before Safari 3 is released). Last resort is to browser sniff ... Thanks, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG 1.2 Tes suite
Julien, I asked this question of the SVG Working Group over two months ago and it's been ignored: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2007Jun/0032.html Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Julien Reichel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, Is there an SVG tiny 1.2 test suite available ? (even beta, or partially complete, etc.. ). Best Regards Julien - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Creating SVG format file from GIF Image
Selva, There are many programs that will trace a bitmap and try to render it as SVG paths. I don't know how successful you will be with this, but you can try Inkscape or you can try potrace directly. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, selvapsg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Members, I am new to SVG. My intension is to create Taluk Maps of Tamilnadu (Tamilnadu is a State in INDIA) in SVG format. I have maps in GIF Format. I tried to convert GIF to SVG in Adobe Illustrator, It gives a output SVG file with IMAGE either linked or embedded as binary. Please let me know how to create SVG from a GIF file. Please note that this GIF file in NOT an animated one. Thanks Regards, Selva - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG in Opera 9.5 Kestrel
Antoine, It doesn't seem like any major new features per se, but many bug fixes. In particular, the following tests now pass in Opera 9.5 but did not pass in Opera 9.2-: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-filters-displace-01-f.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-filters-color-01-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-filters-comptran-01-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-struct-image-05-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-struct-use-05-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-text-altglyph-01-b.html (almost pass now) http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-text-deco-01-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-types-basicDOM-01-b.html (farthestViewportElement now implemented) http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-animate-elem-26-t.html (rendering bug in Windows now fixed) http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-animate-elem-65-t.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-animate-elem-67-t.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-text-text-06-t.html There are some regressions too. The following tests pass in Opera 9.2 but NOT in Opera 9.5: http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-styling-css-04-f.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-pservers-grad-17-b.html http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/Test/20061213/htmlObjectHarness/full-animate-elem-31-t.html (visibility blinks but display does not in a couple cases) Hope it helps someone. I haven't played with the more interesting SVG as background-image or SVGT 1.2 features yet (nor are there tests for these features). Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Antoine Quint [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5 sept. 07, at 04:43, Erik Dahlström wrote: The 9.5 version adds to the SVG 1.1 support, as can be seen in the SVG support table at http://www.codedread.com/svg-support.php. Jeff, since you read this mailing-list (at least I think you do) and ran those tests, could you highlight some of the 1.1 features that are new to Opera 9.5 alpha? I'm sure it could help a lot of us on svg-dev. Regards, Antoine -- Blog http://the.fuchsia-design.com - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Safari 3 Beta now available for Windows and Macintosh
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is great news. Safari Beta is now available for Windows and Macintosh: http://www.apple.com/safari/ SVG is enable, but strangely, it only works for local files for me. Files, e.g. from http://www.carto.net/papers/svg/samples/ make it crash on my install. Do others experience the same behavior? Anyway - its a beta. It will be fixed ... It would be great if people would test the betas and report bugs. Andreas All 3 of my SVG game demos work without issue. I blogged a little here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2007/06/11/safari-3-beta-first-glimpse-in-windows/ and updated my charts here: http://www.codedread.com/svg-support.php - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: foreignObject: Anyone found out a good way to dump HTML into SVG with it?
What UAs are you trying it in? I've never yet played with foreignObject, though it's going to be enabled in Firefox 3 from what I understand. Not sure if Opera has support for it yet. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, sirlemmingviii [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe I'm just naive here, but to me, the promise of the foreignObject element is that you can take a block of code from another markup language and dump it right into a block of SVG code by surrounding it with foreignObject and maybe modifying it a little. Given the fact that I can't even seem to get examples provided by web sites such as Croczilla and W3.org to work correctly, maybe this is one of those things we just have to wait on. But if anyone's had any success with this kind of thing, I'd like to know. So far all of my attempts have resulted in none of the HTML showing up. I doubt I'll bother trying to do this anymore unless I'm really missing out on something. I'm only interested in dumping HTML into an SVG (or mixed XML/SVG, XHTML, etc.) document, not the other way around. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Interesting data on SVG
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, David Dailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff Schiller's web site just popped up a very interesting chart: http://www.codedread.com/svg-support.php It gives a quick comparison of the state of support for SVG in several different environments. He has some explanatory notes which sould be read with the chart. His April 18th entry about Google and SVG is pretty interesting too http://blog.codedread.com/ David Dailey David, Thanks for the kind words. I've exchanged a couple emails with a Mac user who would like to fill in a Safari column for that chart. Of course when it's updated, I'll post a brief note on my blog. Looks like Renesis 0.6 on May 1st too. Any others I should add ? - were there any SVG improvements in Opera 9.20? - I think the Corel SVG Viewer is long dead, right? - Is Deng still alive? (google for deng svg) Regards, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: About SVG DOM Interfaces
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Prem Dasari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to know where the SVG DOM interfaces will be used. I guess these will be used by applications for accessing /updating the Document. Yes, Prem - this is what the DOM interfaces are used for (exactly like DOM interfaces for DHTML applications). Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/4It09A/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Problem with Renesis and Firefox or new server?
Well if it worked before and you moved servers and now it doesn't work - doesn't that sound very much like a server-related problem? :) I know that Opera and IE+ASV try to figure out the MIME type based on the extension (and perhaps other things), while Firefox must be told the MIME type. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Richard Pearman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, My web site has recently been moved to a new server. Since that I've discovered that my SVG and SVGZ files still work on IE with ASV and in Opera. However I'm having problems in Firefox 2 on Windows but not Mac. SVG files work and so do (most?) SVGZ files if they're not in-line on an XHTML page. If it's on an XHTML page in an iframe (the only way I do it as it seems to work best), I get a dialog box asking how I want the SVGZ file dealt with and giving me the default of opening in Renesis but the OK is greyed out. I've tried selecting Firefox.exe but it didn't work. Now is there some incorect setting with my new server or is Renesis interfering with Firefox? Either way, how can I deal with it? Richard Pearman http://www.pixelpalaces.com/ The next stage in the evolution of web comics: http://www.onlinecomics.net/pages/details/listing.php?comicID=4415 - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Microsoft -- VML, SVG, XAML
Most of what we can discuss here will be pure speculation, but I have heard from some sources that a future version of IE will support SVG. Chris Wilson has publicly stated that Microsoft considers SVG one of the core standards that all browsers should implement (it was lumped into the bucket with HTML, CSS, JavaScript). That's all I know at the moment. And look at the facts: Mozilla, Opera, Konqueror and soon Safari all support SVG. From the looks of things, within a year's time we will have 3 major browsers natively support a very decent set of SVG 1.1 features. Is IE really going to sit that one out and put all their chips on XAML? From what I can tell - with the XAML/WPF infrastructure in place, it might be a relatively small project to also implement SVG support (including scripting) - so I think Microsoft would be stupid not to. Btw, I don't think WPF/E will necessarily be plugin-only - I think that a future version of IE (the next one) will probably just support it natively - they will keep the plugin around for all the other browser users, which they can't ignore anymore. Just some random thoughts from the sidelines, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Prior to the release of IE7, there was a good deal of speculation on this list (including a bit of active attempt at pursuasion), back circa April 2006, about Microsoft's long term plans for SVG. Does anyone have any new insights? On a related note, the last strategic note I can find from Microsoft concerning VML is that they will continue to support it -- but that statement is dated 1999, I think. Can we assume that VML will be around precisely as long as Microsoft is or do they plan to gradually phase it out over the next few decades? It seems like the security bug that popped up in October of 2006 may have made it more of a liability than an asset. Is anyone at MS talking about the future of VML? Just musing aloud: I gather that most of XAML lives outside the browser environment and is more concerned with gluing things together (sort of like XSLT or sXBL) than with actual 2D graphics -- as I recall, Apple had developed something kinda cool like that in the late 1980's. For those who have worked with XAML, how difficult would it be to let IE version k7.0, coexist with XAML and SVG? 400 person years or less? How many person years did the ASV plugin take to develop (or is that a secret)? How many person years have gone into Opera and Firefox's SVG developments? 100 person years or less? It's hard to imagine any software project with the big companies taking less than 100 person years, just owing to the appetites of the bean counters. (Brooks' law may underestimate both the weight of beans and the value of zeal.) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Swapping attribute values on large numbers of elements
in response to events - what does this mean? What event? Does the
event give you any indication of which element needs to be swapped?
Can each rectangle's two y values be different from any other rectangle?
Jeff
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Hi,
I have a scenario where I need to plot hundreds of rectangles and
each rectangle has two possible y values but all other attributes are
static. To save space I was hoping to add two attributes that could
be swapped in response to events. Does this make sense and what do
you suggest as a method for swapping the two y attribute values?
Would I have to loop over each element sequentially or is there a
faster way?
Thanks, Simon
The markup would be something like this :
?xml version=1.0 encoding=utf-8?
svg id=rects
width=100% height=100%
xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
xmlns:swap=http://www.xxx.com/ns;
rect attrib:title=R1 attrib:y1=20 attrib:y2=35 x=14 y=50
width=3 height=31/
rect attrib:title=R2 attrib:y1=30 attrib:y2=35 x=12 y=20
width=3 height=11/
rect attrib:title=r1 attrib:y1=20 attrib:y2=30 x=140
y=20 width=3 height=21/
rect attrib:title=R3 attrib:y1=40 attrib:y2=30 x=21 y=10
width=3 height=1/
rect attrib:title=Rn attrib:y1=20 attrib:y2=30 x=140
y=20 width=3 height=21/.
/svg
The script could be something like :
var r=document.getElementById('rects')
var coll=r.getElementsByTagNameNS
('http://www.w3.org/2000/svg', 'rect')
var i=0
var elm;
while(elm=coll.item(i++)){
elm.setAttributeNS(null,'y',elm.getAttributeNS
('http://www.xxx.com/ns,'y'));
}
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[svg-developers] Re: View source in IE 7
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, ddailey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In IE6 I was able to use view source from the right context menu to see SVG source. Not in IE7. The only workarounds I've found are to use Opera or FF. Another thing for your list perhaps, Andreas. cheers, David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] What are you using to display your SVG? Usually the plugin has a right-click menu option (I know ASV does). Not sure if this will help you, but a new IE Dev toolbar has been released: http://blogs.msdn.com/ie/archive/2007/01/09/ie-developer- toolbar-beta-3-now-available.aspx Regards, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] SVG in a XHTML:table
I have a question about XHTML+SVG when it comes to laying out SVG in a
HTML:table. Here's my minimal test case. I've also sent the question
to the www-svg and public-cdf lists:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN
http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd;
html xmlns=http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml; xml:lang=en
style type=text/css* { border-style:solid }/style
body
table border=1
tr
td
pParagraph One/p
pParagraph Two/p
pParagraph Three/p
pParagraph Four/p
pParagraph Five/p
pParagraph Six/p
pParagraph Seven/p
/td
td
svg version=1.1 width=40px height=100%
xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg;
rect x=0 y=0 width=100% height=100% fill=red /
/svg
/td
/tr
/table
/body
/html
Firefox 1.5, 2 and 3 (latest nightly) consider the svg element's
height of 100% to be the height of the browser window. Opera 9
considers the svg element's height of 100% as a static 150 pixels in
this instance (?). Both seem wrong to me - it seems like the browser
should take 100% to mean the tallest element in the table's row
(which would be defined by the seven HTML:p elements in the other cell).
Can someone tell me what the spec states about the file above and what
SHOULD happen? I can do the browser bug opening, if required...
Thanks,
Jeff
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[svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, brucerindahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller
jeff_schiller@ wrote:
Too bad Firefox/Opera don't support SVG-as-image as we recently
discussed in this forum. Having to copy the logo into every SVG file
we want to reference it is a pain we'll have to endure for the next
year or more (but thankfully, due to SVG's open nature, this is
possible!).
If you are interested, I load logos via XMLHTTPRequest and it works
across all browsers. The function is a slight modification of Andreas
Neumann's code. An example with code is at:
http://www.lrcwe-data.com/UDFCDx.svg
Quick fix until we get SVG content in image for Opera and Mozilla.
Bruce Rindahl
Thanks, Bruce - that's a great example. Might be nicer to just have:
g onload=importsvg('someFile.svg', this).../g
where importsvg() wraps up your code a little tighter...
Another question to anyone out there: I don't see any way from within
JavaScript to determine the SVGScriptElement
(http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#InterfaceSVGScriptElement)
that contains the current statements being executed. That's kind of
funny because in order for the script to be executing it must be
included in the DOM, right? The script doesn't have any idea which
DOM element contains itself.
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[svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Jeff- Jeff Schiller wrote: Another question to anyone out there: I don't see any way from within JavaScript to determine the SVGScriptElement (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#InterfaceSVGScriptElement) that contains the current statements being executed. That's kind of funny because in order for the script to be executing it must be included in the DOM, right? The script doesn't have any idea which DOM element contains itself. For SVG Tiny 1.2, we tightened up the particulars of scripting (child content and referenced files, scripting context, order of execution, etc.). I don't know if this was covered, but I'll check up on it and if it wasn't, I'll bring it to the SVG. Do you have a pragmatic use case that could help me solidify the rationale? Regards- -Doug Doug, you can ignore my request - it was only a curiosity and there's no practical application for it, I guess. I was just looking to avoid having to send another argument into a JS method - which isn't worth any major changes, it would be nicer for the JS function to discover where to add the SVG function by virtue of where it was invoked. Btw, I think this same thing is there in HTML DOM scripting too... - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: ASV End-of-life cancelled and IE 7.2 with native SVG support???
Since the information you are quoting is coming from my blog, I feel it my duty to respond. Adobe, EOL, ASV: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/12/18/adobe-allows-svg-viewer-download-indefinitely/ explains that Adobe no longer plans to remove the download. It DOES NOT say that they are not end-of-lifing ASV. As others have explained, a company can EOL something and still make it available for download as unsupported software. IE 7.2 and SVG: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/06/02/ie72-to-support-svg/ has a question mark in the title and links to another blog which makes this statement. It's really unfortunate that the post slug doesn't pick up this crucial ASCII character! :) In my own post I state that I've never heard of an IE 7.2. In fact, I have subsequently learned from Chris Wilson (from the IE team) that he himself has not heard this statement, nor of a 7.2 version of IE. I think they are calling the next version IENext until it's more formally announced. If you read through Chris' Powerpoint slides you will see the statements that Microsoft recognizes SVG as one of the web standards (along with HTML, CSS) that make up the core in terms of standards support for the web. One can _INFER_ from this that they will eventually have to support SVG in some form in some version of IE. Get our your crystal balls... Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I just read that Adobe has decided to redact their decision to make the Adobe SVG Viewer go end-of-life, but I cannot find that in writing on Adobe's website. I believe this is a myth. Has anyone heard about this information or disinformation? Also, is this disinformation or has someone heard that IE will offer native support for SVGs in IE 7.2? Here is the link with the ASV statement: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/09/09/adobe-announces-end-of- life-for-svg-viewer/ [Editor's Note: To avoid confusion and spreading of mis-information, I feel it's my duty to state that Adobe later changed their decision about removing the SVG Viewer download from their site. As of Dec 2006, Adobe has decided to keep the viewer download available indefinitely.] I think that keeping ASV on the Adobe site (down the road) constitutes support for ASV... Thanks for any clarification. Jim - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Logo Contest
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi- Last week, the panel of judges for the SVG logo contest decided upon the finalists and the winner of the contest. We are pleased to announce that the winning entry is available for viewing here: http://svglogo.com/finalists.html Over the next few weeks, we will finalize the actual form (including optional animation) and produce versions in both SVG and PNG that will be suitable for inclusion on Web pages to indicate the level of SVG support needed for proper viewing of the site's content. It is also intended for use on SVG-related product packaging. We hope that everyone will make use of this logo, and increase the brand awareness of Scalable Vector Graphics. Doug, I agree - 'brand recognition' is important and I thank 6th Sense Analytics and everyone else behind the contest - I think the winning choice looks really nice. Seems like orange is the new black ;) Anyway, I've updated my blog header (http://blog.codedread.com/) with the logo in the bottom-right corner. In true dynamic SVG form, the logo is invisible unless you mouse over the blog header image, which makes it semi-transparent. Mousing over the logo makes it fully opaque. I've also put an image at the bottom of my home page (http://www.codedread.com/) next to the XHTML validation tag (that doesn't validate!). Too bad Firefox/Opera don't support SVG-as-image as we recently discussed in this forum. Having to copy the logo into every SVG file we want to reference it is a pain we'll have to endure for the next year or more (but thankfully, due to SVG's open nature, this is possible!). Doug, I hope you'll be doing a better job than I did of hacking the logo and ID'ing the elements properly... Regards, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download
But you do know it has been possible, for quite some time, to render core SVG instructions on the majority of desktops today, right? http://deng.com.br/features/ If you wish to improve the rendering instructions, then you can do so... it's an opensource SWF which contains the SVG code: http://deng.com.br/support/ Unfortunately, as already mentioned the DENG project is still in its infancy. Static SVG content is one thing, but where SVG's power is in interaction with the DOM and its scriptability. I think I've asked before, but couldn't find my post when searching: What would be the challenge in taking the Mozilla codebase and turning that into an ActiveX control for IE that handles XHTML and SVG content? IE6 and 7 both don't support either MIME types, so this would allow XHTML with SVG inline as well as SVG linked by reference (HTML:object). Get that deployed far enough and you could actually see XHTML and SVG start to make inroads into the web. Granted, it's still a plugin, but at least it couldn't be killed by a corporation's whim. Of course, I'm sure I'm just being naive and this is not an easy task. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, T Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins in IE. The other options outside of an IE plugin are: 1) wait until IE natively implements SVG (and XHTML while we're at it) 2) wait until another browser becomes the dominant UA in web browsing 3) wait until WPF/E becomes widely deployed in IE, write a library to go from SVG to XAML (note: does this also mean the WPF/E is under the same click-to-activate behavior in IE6?) 4) update DENG to support full SVG (including scripting) 5) use Dojo2D or another Ajaxy toolkit that supports SVG. To my knowledge, Dojo2D doesn't yet support transforming declarative SVG into VML, it's all done procedurally via scripting, if I'm not mistaken, which means it's potentially slow, though I haven't tried it) Anyway, looks like the Mozilla option is almost there (from an armchair perspective). But the control/project hasn't been updated in almost a year, I've emailed Adam to ask if he's still active on it. I'd also ask where's the Moz 1.8.1 version of the control, but a Moz 1.8.0 version of the plugin would still be worthwhile. Next, how does one go about configuring an ActiveX control to handle specific MIME types as a plugin in IE? - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes Beta Community preview available for download
Hi Jon, Yes, an IE plugin is the 6th option. Not to be pedantic, but I did say The other options outside of an IE plugin are ;) The IE plugin option covers a lot of other possible solutions in and of itself. Emiasys' Renesis is one of those, but I'm afraid they are not moving fast enough to capture market share before ASV dies out. Right now they are doing a rewrite to restructure their code for performance improvements... I would rather see them fully implement a scriptable SVG profile first... That's why I'm thinking of other open-source solutions (i.e. Mozilla, WebKit, KHTML) that already include scripting, DOM support, etc (even if other very important features are not there, such as declarative animation). Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jeff, Good summary of the options. There is one more option - there is always the faint hope that someone will provide an SVG plugin to replace ASV. (Maybe you are thinking about doing something in this direction with Mozilla.) In terms of Dojo2D, my understanding aligns with yours in that it does not yet support declarative SVG (i.e., SVG markup) and instead requires building an SVG model in JavaScript via their API calls. In looking at the dojo 0.4 source code, Dojo2D as it stands today involves two performance intensive-transformations. First, if you start with SVG markup, you will have to parse that markup in order to build the Dojo2D data structures via their API calls. Second, the Dojo2D data structures will need to be transformed into either SVG or VML within the browser so that the graphics will render. There needs to be some accelerated code paths for Dojo2D to be viable for complicated graphics, such as mapping. For example, on Firefox, why not pass through the SVG markup directly to the browser without building the Dojo2D data structures, and for IE, why not use client-side XSLT to transform SVG markup into VML? Another performance enhancement would be for Dojo to provide a utility which converts SVG markup into their Dojo2D data structures by invoking their built-in XML parser (which will build a private DOM image within JavaScript) and then converting this into their private Dojo2D data structures. All of this is easier said than done. I don't know what Dojo's plans are for these enhancements. Of course, it is an open source projects, so anyone can contribute if they are motivated and have the time. Jon Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA Mobile: +1-650-926-5865 Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] tmail.com To Sent by: svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc hoogroups.com Subject [svg-developers] Re: WPF/E Goes 12/06/2006 09:24 Beta Community preview available AMfor download Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, T Rowley tor@ wrote: Mozilla as an ActiveX control already exists: http://www.iol.ie/~locka/mozilla/control.htm You'd still be stuck with the click-to-active behavior of plugins in IE. The other options outside of an IE plugin are: 1) wait until IE natively implements SVG (and XHTML while we're at it) 2) wait until another browser becomes the dominant UA in web browsing 3) wait until WPF/E becomes widely deployed in IE, write a library to go from SVG to XAML (note: does this also mean the WPF/E is under the same click-to-activate behavior in IE6?) 4) update DENG to support full SVG (including scripting) 5) use Dojo2D or another Ajaxy toolkit that supports SVG. To my knowledge, Dojo2D doesn't yet support transforming declarative SVG into VML, it's all done procedurally via scripting, if I'm not mistaken, which means it's potentially slow, though I
[svg-developers] Re: Renesis Player 0.2 Release
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Chris Lilley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Monday, October 9, 2006, 4:00:06 PM, Jeff wrote: JS 4) http://www.codedread.com/svgtest.svg also says that no SVG 1.0 or JS 1.1 feature strings are implemented. Are you planning to support SVG JS 1.1 at all? I think that more likely means that the 'feature strings' feature is not implemented. Yes, probably. Seems like a pretty important feature to get working in a partial implementation though ;) JS Seems like all other plugins and native implementations JS in the desktop browser space are currently targetting SVG 1.1 and JS none yet support SVG 1.2. I am aware of four SVGT 1.2 implementations, three of them publicly announced, and (a different) three of them also running on the desktop as well as mobile devices. Chris, thanks for this - can you share the publicly announced ones here? Regards, Jeff - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Renesis Player 0.2 Release
I'm glad to see Renesis is inching closer to being a plugin for SVG content in Internet Explorer, though I'm finding it far from usable at the moment. I haven't realy touched on any DOM issues yet. Disclaimer: I've never written any SVGT 1.2 content yet, so this is my first attempt. 1) http://www.codedread.com/svg12test.svg does not show that any SVGT 1.2 feature strings are implemented yet. Is this correct? At this stage, you need to be extremely accurate with what you implement so that people can plan accordingly. 2) When I try to reload/refresh any SVG document in the browser, the browser shows me a blank page. 3) Why can't I see the source of the SVG file? Please provide this in the right-click context menu going forward. 4) http://www.codedread.com/svgtest.svg also says that no SVG 1.0 or 1.1 feature strings are implemented. Are you planning to support SVG 1.1 at all? Seems like all other plugins and native implementations in the desktop browser space are currently targetting SVG 1.1 and none yet support SVG 1.2. If you support some of SVG 1.1 then it will really ease your adoption into the IE plugin space. (I certainly would like to experiment with SVG 1.2 Tiny in the desktop too, but for practical purposes, SVG 1.1 Full is where the browsers are at the moment). 5) The document http://www.codedread.com/svghead.svg doesn't have a gradient fill in the word CodeDread and is completely missing my email address text. Please compare to Firefox 1.5/2.0 and Opera 9. 6) The document http://www.codedread.com/svgnav.svg only shows the text, the button graphics are missing. There is no script behavior either. Please compare to Firefox 1.5/2.0 and Opera 9. Congratulations on getting a step closer, and I appreciate your efforts, but because of the above simple issues I won't be looking at Renesis until the next version. Please keep up the pace and get us something that we can use even for static images soon. Thanks, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, emiasys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas, It might be helpful to us if you could detail us which DOM functionality you'd need so that we can implement the most important things first. Regards, Alexander Adam Emia Systems htpp://www.emiasys.net yes, the new functionality (ActiveX, Shell extension, context menue, etc) is definitely useful. Thanks for making it available. For serious testing it seems a bit too early. Most of my Javascript/ DOM examples don't yet work due to missing DOM functionality. Thanks for making the plugin/viewer available and good luck with implementing new features. Please let us know if there is progress with the DOM functions so we can do better testing. Andreas --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, revelonshift marek.raida@ wrote: Seems to be as fast as previously but with a bit more compatible API and working as plugin also. Not bad, but still many of my static SVG files won't display under renesism so some more work is surely necessary. But besides ... is not bad that Renesis is not dead :-) M. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF
Tim, I'm not sure where this misconception arose, but Firefox does indeed support compressed svg (.svgz) files. You need to make sure your web server properly supports directives though. As per http://jwatt.org/ svg/authoring/#server-configuration, for Apache this means for the .svgz extension: Content-Type: image/svg+xml Content-Encoding: gzip Hope this helps, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Tim Hesse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Another huge issue for our firm is that FF (at least, haven't tested opera) doesn't support compressed .svgz which ASV did. Our clients won't be happy if we start sending 5+mb docs over the wire to them, when with ASV they would compress down to under a meg. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, zedkineece kmartin7@ wrote: With all the doom and gloom coming with Adobe's announcement (which TOTALLY screws up the project I am working on), I have tested Opera's and Firefox's 'native' support of SVG, and here are my problems: * Neither one of them display our SVGs the same. The text is too large in one, and too small in the other. We tried changing font size from px to em, but the problem still remains. * setAttribute is not working at all in FF, and we get varying results in Opera. * Is there a way to pan in Opera? * Is there even a way to pan or zoom in FF? * We made great use of the ASV content menu, and now that goes away. I have been reading on everyone's rants about Adobe pulling the ASV, and I agree with most assessments. Having owned and run a business of my own, I can understand thoughts, but their thoughts are wrong, and I personally feel that it could have serious backlash financially as well as ethically. Adobe is starting to mimic Microsoft's rule at all costs mentality. It is all about money. - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: 'Native' SVG support in Opera and FF
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, zedkineece [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * setAttribute is not working at all in FF, and we get varying results in Opera. Use setAttributeNS(). I've never had a problem with this in either Firefox or Opera. Just remember that the attributes on SVG entities are in the null namespace: var someSVGCircleElement = document.getElementById(foo); someSVGCircleElement.setAttributeNS(null, cx, 300); - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML
Jonathan, I agree, sound/audio is a sorely lacking component of the online web experience, I guess because maybe no one had proposed an open standard for audio/sound until lately (HTML5), so Netscape had some proprietary way, so does Flash, etc. Sound/audio is something outside the scope of SVG 1.1, and Mozilla is currently targeting SVG 1.1 so you can't really equate this as a SVG bug (not saying you were implying that, I'm just clarifying for everyone). SVGT 1.2 does contain support for sound, video, etc so we may see something if SVG 1.2 becomes the defacto standard one day. However, outside of the SVG realm, Opera has decided to be the first browser (as far as I'm aware) to implement the Sound/Audio interface proposed by the WHATWG's HTML5 standard (also called Web Applications 1.0). Though this interface is relatively crude, it does allow you to do simple things like looping music and triggering sound on events. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon, among other significant outstanding bugs that mozilla/firefox is being really slow to resolve is the issue of audio or sound. Aywk adobe had sound support from the start as does flash. in fact many authors use flash solely to provide audio on webpages. I just wondered whether you had considered this issue and whether you felt it had relevance. cheers Jonathan Chetwynd especially given the Mozilla/Firefox support for HTML+SVG - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue Adobe SVG Viewer
We can't rely on Microsoft, just like we shouldn't have been comfortable relying on Adobe, to do the right thing and implement native support for SVG for free. There are business considerations that will always take priority. Even if they do it, I fear compatibility issues - their browser engine is still the worst of the major browsers out there. So where are the open source, cross-platform SVG 1.1 viewers ? What about taking the Mozilla base and developing a browser plugin from that for only SVG support? What about candidates like AmanithVG and Renesis for a SVG 1.2 viewer? Let's get a list of all the candidate open-source projects and contribute so that they flourish before Jan 2008. And I agree with Jon - praise to Adobe for past support, but I cry foul to MacroAdobe for this distinctly hostile gesture towards this development community. They know there is no suitable replacement for IE as of today. Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Margie, Thanks for the kind words. In terms of possible next steps, I suggest finding a way to express your point of view (professionally, of course) within a blog or a forum that Adobe would read. (I don't know the degree to which Adobe monitors this forum and I am not sure what other industry forums they read these days.) An important thing would be to give detailed information about the business impact that you face. Adobe is likely to be more receptive if a company speaks up and talks about any specific difficulties that they will face and what Adobe could do about relieving those difficulties. Adobe is less likely to listen to people who simply get up on their soapbox. (I already did that.) Jon Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Architect, Emerging Technologies IBM, Menlo Park, CA Mobile: +1-650-464-7817 Marjorie Roswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To om svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent by: cc svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Subject Re: [svg-developers] Re: Announcement: Adobe to Discontinue 09/07/2006 05:03 Adobe SVG Viewer AM Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Jon, That was beautifully written. Thank you for your work and advocacy in the SVG community. What's the next step for our community to take, regarding items 3, 4, and 5? Margie On 9/6/06, jon_ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Pat, Now that I am a member of the community and no longer an employee of Adobe, here is my reaction: (1) First off, I believe that Adobe deserves a great amount of appreciation for their contributions to SVG and the open standards world for their activities in previous years. Adobe provided a high-quality free implementation of an SVG viewer at large expense. (Pat, you know this perhaps better than anyone.) Adobe also has provided (and presumably will continue to provide) excellent support for SVG in some of its products, particularly Illustrator. Adobe has also made large contributions within the standards community on SVG. (2) It is understandable that at some point Adobe would announce the end-of-life for Adobe SVG Viewer. Since the Macromedia acquisition (at least, perhaps even earlier), it is clear that Adobe doesn't consider the SVG viewer to be strategic. Also, browsers are adding SVG support natively. (3) HOWEVER, I believe that some of the details regarding this end-of-life announcement are unacceptable to the community and not in Adobe's own best interests. To me, it is OK to stop support (presumably developer support and security fixes) on Adobe SVG Viewer in the relative near-term, but instead of giving four months of advanced notice (i.e., 1/1/07), it should be something measured in
[svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's greed clearing the way for XAML
Actually Jon, I agree with both of your recent points... you stole my thunder on both accounts! ;) 1) Watch out for Dojo 0.4 for the cross-browser 2D graphics API (VML on IE and SVG everywhere else). I've been hearing good things, anyway. 2) Watch for IE8+ (i.e. something after IE7) to support SVG. Chris Wilson has been pretty public about the need to support a core set of web standards, of which he considers SVG a part of. 3) I'll mention a third point: OpenLaszlo has been working hard on expanding its offerings to support multiple compilation targets. By the end of the year they will support compiling to DHTML as well as Flash. There is already some internal work on doing the same for SVG (though I suspect that SVG support could be rolled into DHTML at some point). Anyway, it's high time we started moving up the stack anyway and getting out of coding applications with a set of cobbled-together HTML, JS, SVG, XML, CSS files... In the meantime though, I really think an open source SVG 1.1 browser plugin is a worthwhile effort, simply because you can never have too many baskets for your eggs. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jon Ferraiolo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guy, I have been biting my tongue, but your email was too provocative. Generally, I agree with your points. My additional comments: * The open source phenomenon is huge. The same phenomenon that transformed the server world (what with LAMP) is starting to affect the client world. Although the threat isn't imminent, over the next few years MS is in danger of losing control over the browsing experience to Mozilla and Safari, both of which are open source and both of which implement W3C standards successfully. Firefox's market share is likely to accelerate in the short-term as Enterprises discover its merits as a strong platform for application development and begin to require its usage instead of IE for Enterprise applications. This will result in larger numbers of people who start to feel comfortable with Firefox (because of being forced to use it at their company) and therefore comfortable in abandoning IE for browsing the Web. (Note that Google is investing a ton of money in Mozilla these days. Microsoft is very much aware of this.) * As a result, Microsoft will be forced to re-embrace standards in order to stop the loss of market share and reclaim control over their own Windows platform. Microsoft will be forced to do whatever it takes in order to push Firefox's (and Safari's) market shares down below 5% once again, and (unfortunately for them) in today's world that includes world-class support for open standards. And, thanks to the leadership at Firefox, Safari, and Opera, SVG has become a requirement. Microsoft has been aware of all of this for a long time. Therefore, I expect to see SVG support in IE betas by the end of 2007. * I would be hugely surprised if Microsoft followed Adobe's lead and announced VML end-of-life in the same (unacceptable) manner as Adobe. Microsoft is considerably more sensitive to supporting their existing community of developers. When VML is EOL'd, Microsoft will give something like a 5-year window before VML quits working with new versions of IE. Or at least that what my personal crystal ball shows. Jon Guy Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] auTo Sent by: svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] cc hoogroups.com Subject Re: [svg-developers] Re: Is Adobe's 09/07/2006 04:20 greed clearing the way for XAML PM Please respond to svg- [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoogroups.com Yes, it gives the lie to the lip service they give to standards adherence. M$ in particular only support those standards that they feel benefit their business (like someone else said, there's no other reason for
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Doubt
This is one of the things which confused me in the very beginning. The script element in SVG is not exactly the same as the script element in HTML. It is not obvious how to include external scripts from the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#ScriptElement It's like the specification is intentionally confusing on this point. You have to use the xlink:href attribute, not the src attribute. Furthermore, the xlink namespace needs to be defined up front on your SVG element: svg version=1.1 ... onload=init(); xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; script xlink:href=yourscript.js/ /svg Another option is to include the script in the body of the script element (be sure to use CDATA block if you use characters like , , etc). Also, if all your functionality is happening in the SVG file directly, I advise you to do away with the referencing HTML document as it serves no purpose. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Pramod Eligeti. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, i just have a simple doubt in SVG. 1. body scroll=no embed src=WorldView.svg type=image/svg+xml width=100% height=100% pluginspage=http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html; div id=infoDiv/div /body - here i am including the SVG WorldView document in the XHTML page. 2. script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=ClientEventHandler.js /script script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=XMLHttpRequest.js /script -- i have included these 2 java script files in the same XHTML page which have functions for Init n getTrueCoords defined in SVG document. 3. svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; onload='Init(evt)' onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); ShowTooltip(evt, true)' onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)' g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none' rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/ text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' font-size='13' tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue' /tspan /text /g - here is the code in WordView svg document. 4. In the first JS file ClientEventHandler.js i have the funtions Init, GetTrueCoords(evt) . so on. now when a user preform some action like click an element say circle shape of SVG document, this JS script makes AJAX (XHR) requests n comes with an XML with some data, which i will parse n update the SVG document dynamically. Since this SVG is embedded in the HTML page, the page shows the necessary updated data. Now my doubt is why to serve HTML page when user starts from the browser rather than the SVG document directly. for that i need to include the 2 external javascript files in the SVG document so that i directly invoke the SVG document from the browser. i just tried to do like this but it doesnt work. svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; onload='Init(evt)' onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); ShowTooltip(evt, true)' onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)' script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=ClientEventHandler.js /script script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=XMLHttpRequest.js /script g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none' rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/ text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' font-size='13' tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue' /tspan /text /g /svg but here it says unable to find Init n other functions. I also want suggestions that which is the good method to either embed SVG in HTML page or directly use SVG alone for web applications. Tnks for suggestions n comments, Byee, Pramod. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Doubt
Actually, digging a little more the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/attindex.html) says that xlink:href is not defined for the script element after all. Is this something that all implementations have just decided to do anyway? Seems sensible and it currently works in ASV, Opera, and Firefox... And what is the externalResourcesRequired attribute all about? Now I'm confused... Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is one of the things which confused me in the very beginning. The script element in SVG is not exactly the same as the script element in HTML. It is not obvious how to include external scripts from the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#ScriptElement It's like the specification is intentionally confusing on this point. You have to use the xlink:href attribute, not the src attribute. Furthermore, the xlink namespace needs to be defined up front on your SVG element: svg version=1.1 ... onload=init(); xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; script xlink:href=yourscript.js/ /svg Another option is to include the script in the body of the script element (be sure to use CDATA block if you use characters like , , etc). Also, if all your functionality is happening in the SVG file directly, I advise you to do away with the referencing HTML document as it serves no purpose. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Pramod Eligeti. pramodcse@ wrote: Hi, i just have a simple doubt in SVG. 1. body scroll=no embed src=WorldView.svg type=image/svg+xml width=100% height=100% pluginspage=http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html; div id=infoDiv/div /body - here i am including the SVG WorldView document in the XHTML page. 2. script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=ClientEventHandler.js /script script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=XMLHttpRequest.js /script -- i have included these 2 java script files in the same XHTML page which have functions for Init n getTrueCoords defined in SVG document. 3. svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; onload='Init(evt)' onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); ShowTooltip(evt, true)' onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)' g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none' rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/ text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' font-size='13' tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue' /tspan /text /g - here is the code in WordView svg document. 4. In the first JS file ClientEventHandler.js i have the funtions Init, GetTrueCoords(evt) . so on. now when a user preform some action like click an element say circle shape of SVG document, this JS script makes AJAX (XHR) requests n comes with an XML with some data, which i will parse n update the SVG document dynamically. Since this SVG is embedded in the HTML page, the page shows the necessary updated data. Now my doubt is why to serve HTML page when user starts from the browser rather than the SVG document directly. for that i need to include the 2 external javascript files in the SVG document so that i directly invoke the SVG document from the browser. i just tried to do like this but it doesnt work. svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; onload='Init(evt)' onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); ShowTooltip(evt, true)' onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)' script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=ClientEventHandler.js /script script type=text/javascript language=javascript src=XMLHttpRequest.js /script g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none' rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/ text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' font-size='13' tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue' /tspan /text /g /svg but here it says unable to find Init n other functions. I also want suggestions that which is the good method to either embed SVG in HTML page or directly use SVG alone for web applications. Tnks for suggestions n comments, Byee, Pramod. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit
[svg-developers] Re: Help
Pramod, I wrote a couple quick tutorials for beginners with SVG. Maybe they will help you: http://www.codedread.com/SVGKS_1a.php Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Pramod Eligeti. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I just need some good material on the typical functioning of SVG. wht i meant is, what happens when we invoke an SVG document in the web browser, how rendering takes place, when is the plugin downlaoded etc, parsing SVG xml document n displaying it on browser. I would be happy if some of you have a nice article with suitable pictures in it. Tnks for suggestions, byee, pramod. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: SVG Doubt
http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/06/02/ie72-to-support-svg/ --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Phi Tran [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like to share with you all some of my thoughts based on reasoning and my observation and as result on some of my experience: 1- You all know having a very good welcome and much more potential then FLASH. Adobe has more reputation then Macromedia, they an easily push it thru to become wide accepted standard but they choose other way around?. It tell me something that either they could not find the talented resource enough to make it thru or the architect of it has some flaws/hurdle to make SVG become inferior or both. To me this is admittance on Adobe part that SVG will not serve their purpose and inferior to Flash? 2- We have got into this dilemma: a- If we put everything (Script and event) inside the SVG then 'SVG can not access external elements. Then this is nothing more then an other 'Flash. In this case I have not seen any player can have it technically competitive yet simply it's veeery slow. I personally have done some research on Batik and FF on this matter and I don't think that architect can helping me to overcome this hurdle. b- If we put the SVG outside of the player and/or using SVG-outside javascript making SVG as a part of the DOM. I have give up on this when all time and every time IE will fails me if there is about 5-6000 elements total I have not come up with the exact number yet but 6000 is a sure shot. FF other hand do not fail me on about 7000 yet but it cost me two arms and a leg to have an element update. (I have not counting the loading time yet). c- As some have suggested: Take the code from Batik or FF then make it work on IE? building a Me too ? It is not going to be better either -I think?-. d- I do believe the VML plug-gin for none IE may be more appealing to big player such as Google map then having SVG or even MS live local ? 3- Let's be real: Just give me an percentage of client that does not have access to IE. You can have 15-20% of the client that have FF or Opera. Among them how many does not have access to IE ? I think this number is very small. 4- Does Microsoft having any incentive to have SVG natively support ?. give these facts/fact-toids a- They already have VML. b- It does not take much time to get the open source then make it become an plug-gin activeX as of AVG. As the way MS does in the pass with filer activeX; 99% percent of the development are already there?. I think this will become one more Flash inferior product. Not counting that MS are competing with Adobe on other areas of the Web development? Another ActiveX Me too ? c- Hope come when other browsers are supporting SVG? will it cause MS to support SVG?. Without any other development we are all hung by a thread. ASV is an ActiveX which is OS application now it works on XP, 2000. Does it work on Vista? LongHorn?. ONLY THE FUTURE WILL TELL. Thanks Phi On 6/2/06, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, digging a little more the spec (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/attindex.html) says that xlink:href is not defined for the script element after all. Is this something that all implementations have just decided to do anyway? Seems sensible and it currently works in ASV, Opera, and Firefox... And what is the externalResourcesRequired attribute all about? Now I'm confused... Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller jeff_schiller@ wrote: This is one of the things which confused me in the very beginning. The script element in SVG is not exactly the same as the script element in HTML. It is not obvious how to include external scripts from the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#ScriptElement It's like the specification is intentionally confusing on this point. You have to use the xlink:href attribute, not the src attribute. Furthermore, the xlink namespace needs to be defined up front on your SVG element: svg version=1.1 ... onload=init(); xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink; script xlink:href=yourscript.js/ /svg Another option is to include the script in the body of the script element (be sure to use CDATA block if you use characters like , , etc). Also, if all your functionality is happening in the SVG file directly, I advise you to do away with the referencing HTML document as it serves no purpose. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Pramod Eligeti. pramodcse@ wrote: Hi, i just have a simple doubt in SVG. 1. body scroll=no embed src=WorldView.svg type=image/svg+xml width=100% height=100% pluginspage=http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html; div id=infoDiv/div
[svg-developers] Windows Live Local Now Uses SVG !
a href=http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/25/microsoft-live-local-now-uses-svg/;Link/a. What a pleasant surprise! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- You can search right from your browser? It's easy and it's free. See how. http://us.click.yahoo.com/_7bhrC/NGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: How to close the opened window
In the second window, use the window.close() method.
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, chmavrog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi my code is that:
?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
!DOCTYPE svg PUBLIC -//W3C//DTD SVG 1.1//EN
http://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/1.1/DTD/svg11-flat-20030114.dtd;
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; width=100% height=100%
xmlns:xlink=http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink;
defs
script type=text/ecmascript
![CDATA[
function showDms()
{
nw = open
('http://localhost/svg_demos1/interface.svg','new','width=335,height=
115,locationbar=yes,menubar=no,scrollbars=yes,status=no,resizable=no'
);
}
]]
/script
/defs
g id=g1 onclick=showDms()
rect width=100 height=100 fill=red
id=rect1/rect
/g
/svg
The above works for IE 6 and ASV3.0.
The interface.svg document has a textbox and 2 buttons labeled OK and
Cancel(using Cartonet widgets).
How can i close the new window when pressing the OK button?
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[svg-developers] Re: Book recommendations - SVG in Mozilla?
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Andreas Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would not make sense to target a single SVG viewer implementation. A book should target the specification and not a specific implementation. As the history of SVG shows, viewers appear and disappear but the spec remains constant. I completely agree. If the original poster is trying to say they don't want to bother with ASV-specific debugging, then this is a personal choice (one I'm starting to agree with), but ultimately you should be targetting standard compliant SVG that would work in Mozilla-based, Opera and Webkit-based browsers. If those things happen to work in ASV (and for the most part, they should) then it's a bonus... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: svg-developers] audio in svg
Brett, Until SVG 1.2 begins to be implemented by browsers you have one of two choices for audio in SVG: 1) Use Adobe SVG Viewer's proprietary extensions that play audio 2) Use Opera 9 in which they've implemented the WHATWG-proposed HTML5 Audio object (non-declarative, script-based) Firefox native SVG will not be able to play audio (though you might try to embed something, not sure). Having said all that, I'm assuming you've copied both teh SVG and the audio file (i.e. the actual sealab.mp3 file from Doug's site to try this locally, correct? In that case, I'm not sure why you're not able to play the file... Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Brett Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to get audio to work in SVG and have had no luck. I looked for examples on the web and have found basically what I want. This link will bring you to an audio example - http://svg-whiz.com/svg/multimedia/audioSwitch.svg I'm trying to mimic the svg code from this site, but my code still doesn't work. I also tried copying the svg code from the site into a text document and saving it was a .svg file. The problem is when I open the file, the graphic displays, but the sound doesn't work anymore. Does someone know why it works on that link above, but not when I save the document on my pc. I'm very new to svg, so it could just be something simple that I don't understand. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: svg-developers] audio in svg
Just like any web application, you're referring to the resource file (sealab.mp3) using a IRI reference. If you're just saying xlink:href=sealab.mp3 that means it needs to be in the same directory/path as the SVG file. If you're saying xlink:href=http://somedomain.com/somepath/sealab.mp3; it needs to be at that web location, etc. Good luck, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Brett Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jeff, Thanks for your response. Yes, I have downloaded the code and I have also downloaded the sealab.mp3 file. Do I need to place the mp3 file somewhere in particular on my pc, or do I need additional code in the svg program to point to the location of the file. Thanks. Brett --- Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Brett, Until SVG 1.2 begins to be implemented by browsers you have one of two choices for audio in SVG: 1) Use Adobe SVG Viewer's proprietary extensions that play audio 2) Use Opera 9 in which they've implemented the WHATWG-proposed HTML5 Audio object (non-declarative, script-based) Firefox native SVG will not be able to play audio (though you might try to embed something, not sure). Having said all that, I'm assuming you've copied both teh SVG and the audio file (i.e. the actual sealab.mp3 file from Doug's site to try this locally, correct? In that case, I'm not sure why you're not able to play the file... Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Brett Miller brettmiller79@ wrote: I'm trying to get audio to work in SVG and have had no luck. I looked for examples on the web and have found basically what I want. This link will bring you to an audio example - http://svg-whiz.com/svg/multimedia/audioSwitch.svg I'm trying to mimic the svg code from this site, but my code still doesn't work. I also tried copying the svg code from the site into a text document and saving it was a .svg file. The problem is when I open the file, the graphic displays, but the sound doesn't work anymore. Does someone know why it works on that link above, but not when I save the document on my pc. I'm very new to svg, so it could just be something simple that I don't understand. Any help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks. Brett __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] SVG Roadshow (XTech Presentation)
http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/xtech2006/ About 5 slides on SVG and 14 on canvas (including some stuff on Canvas3D). What got me about this presentation is the slide-pack has about 8 slides with some really cool-looking canvas demos: a video game, a plush web-stat chart, funky animations, colourful borders, widgets. And in the whole slide-pack, only one single SVG example: a very crude-looking chart made from the Dojo toolkit that looks like it was produced by Excel 2.0. Where's the SVG love here? In my mind, the potential uses for SVG vastly outweighs those of canvas, yet SVG seems to be losing mindshare left and right. Will there be any mindshare left for SVG when WPF arrives? For my own sanity, can we get a list of cool SVG demos and experiments that are out in the wild? I'd like links to these demos in one central place (not multiple emails in a newsgroup) so we can point people to one URL and say: Look, here are some cool examples of what SVG can do. For this reason, I've started the SVG Roadshow post at GetSVG.com: http://www.getsvg.com/general/announcements/svg_roadshow Thanks, Jeff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Does Opera really suck this badly?
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, James C. Deering [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jim Ley jim@ wrote: on windows Opera 9 latest weekly, the only issue with your example is a rather bright gamma, other than that it looks fine, have you got a screen shot? It may be a mac specific bug, report it, opera 9 is still a beta! Jim. The gamma is not the only problem, did it display the 300pt stroke on the rectangle? James What rectangle are you talking about? On my Windows box, as others have said, the only problem seems to be a bright gamma... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Does Opera really suck this badly?
Btw, I looked at it in IE+ASV and the image is not blurry, the drop-shadow is there and the gamma is fine. --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, James C. Deering jcdeering1@ wrote: --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jim Ley jim@ wrote: on windows Opera 9 latest weekly, the only issue with your example is a rather bright gamma, other than that it looks fine, have you got a screen shot? It may be a mac specific bug, report it, opera 9 is still a beta! Jim. The gamma is not the only problem, did it display the 300pt stroke on the rectangle? James What rectangle are you talking about? On my Windows box, as others have said, the only problem seems to be a bright gamma... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Home is just a click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/DHchtC/3FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: IE 5, 6,7 Support SVG 'Natively'? -Make it easy-
Phi, Can you give us some more information here? I haven't installed your DLL yet, but what is it exactly - is it a plugin for IE? Do you have some more information like what SVG features it supports, how it works. I'm afraid I had a little trouble understanding your text file. FYI, just for terminology sake, it's not native support of SVG since this is some 3rd party DLL that people will still have to download. Native support to me always implied that the browser supports it directly without the need for any additional downloads. But it still looks exciting whatever you've got here... Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, minhducthandan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Remember the old but current way you put image to the web page? set BMP or JPG or PNG or GIF into a IMG display the image? - Put it in the src attribute!. You now can do that with SVG using SVG Pluggable protocol. 1- Download oneplusplus.com/download/setup.zip. 2- Unzip it. 3- Read the file SVGPROTOCOL.TXT. Then install. 4- Done. In short SVG Protocol allows you to have the SVG document or elements to be display in (any?) element of the HTML DOM Either Static or Dynamic. As simple as: img id='test' style='LEFT:0px;OVERFLOW:hidden;WIDTH:205px;BORDER-TOP-STYLE:none;BORDER-RIGHT-STYLE:none;BORDER-LEFT-STYLE:none;POSITION:absolute;TOP:10px;HEIGHT:205px;BACKGROUND-COLOR:transparent;BORDER-BOTTOM-STYLE:none;' src=SVGdata:File/Load;charset=US-ASCII,SIG=abcd,Viewport[-1,-1,205,205]Scale[4.17,4.17];http://localhost/images/icon_update.svg; Many thanks. Phi. Note: We update that file very often. Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Google maps SVG support
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeroen Vanattenhoven [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: According to this Ajaxian article, Google Maps will support SVG: http://ajaxian.com/archives/google-maps-svn-support. Jeroen Disclaimer: http://www.kuleuven.be/cwis/email_disclaimer.htm Jeroen, Thanks. Actually the Google Maps API verison 2 ALREADY supports SVG (it was reported a month or so back. This level of exposure at Ajaxian is a good thing though! Jeff Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
To everyone on this list: I did get a private reply from Chris Wilson of the IEBlog a few days ago and have debated whether to relay the news. Here goes: Chris stated that they are not planning to include ASV with IE7 for reasons that: a) it is an ActiveX control (whether he means security issues or the Eolas thing) and b) Adobe isn't actively maintaining that control. On the flip side, he also said that they expect to natively support SVG at some point, but can't give any further details (citing that the roadmap is still being worked out). They are aware how much demand is there for it, though. Finally, he said that he expects to address this eventually in the IEBlog at some point. I think this would be a good idea. Quick question to those who have tried IE7 Betas: Do they bundle the Flash plugin? Maybe the best bet now is to get Adobe to include the ASV as part of the Flash plugin? Maybe John F can speak to this? The silence is deafening... There is comfort in the fact that ALL other major browsers are actively pursuing SVG support (Opera, Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey, Safari, Konqueror). Even despite the market share, this does put pressure on the IE team to keep parity. It will happen eventually. As SVG support matures in the other browsers and becomes a little less sketchy, I think we'll start to see web apps that work better or look nicer or have increased functionality in browsers other than IE. The nice thing is that there is now more than one free alternative to IE, the challenge is overcoming the 'Blue E = Internet' mindset of the masses. Does anyone really think that IE's dominance in TODAY's web is not due to its automatic deployment on all Windows PCs? IE has been obsolete for more than 2 years and they still have significant catch-up to do for standards support. Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those wow applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). Of course this is dependent upon getting alternative browser support of SVG into a more even/reliable state (in my mind this equates to Firefox supporting declarative animation, can others give their opinion on Konqueror and Safari levels of support?). Whoof - once again a small email has turned into a long diatribe, my apologies! Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about this vote thing : * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. Jean-David Jeff Schiller wrote: Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect
[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Just a stray thought, someone had posted an example of a Google Maps mashup that used a driving path that could be dragged/adjusted in real-time. If that app actually snapped the waypoints to spots in the map and then gave the new driving directions that corresponded to real street corners, etc I think that would be amazing. Of course this isn't trivial ;) Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Schiller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To everyone on this list: I did get a private reply from Chris Wilson of the IEBlog a few days ago and have debated whether to relay the news. Here goes: Chris stated that they are not planning to include ASV with IE7 for reasons that: a) it is an ActiveX control (whether he means security issues or the Eolas thing) and b) Adobe isn't actively maintaining that control. On the flip side, he also said that they expect to natively support SVG at some point, but can't give any further details (citing that the roadmap is still being worked out). They are aware how much demand is there for it, though. Finally, he said that he expects to address this eventually in the IEBlog at some point. I think this would be a good idea. Quick question to those who have tried IE7 Betas: Do they bundle the Flash plugin? Maybe the best bet now is to get Adobe to include the ASV as part of the Flash plugin? Maybe John F can speak to this? The silence is deafening... There is comfort in the fact that ALL other major browsers are actively pursuing SVG support (Opera, Firefox, Camino, SeaMonkey, Safari, Konqueror). Even despite the market share, this does put pressure on the IE team to keep parity. It will happen eventually. As SVG support matures in the other browsers and becomes a little less sketchy, I think we'll start to see web apps that work better or look nicer or have increased functionality in browsers other than IE. The nice thing is that there is now more than one free alternative to IE, the challenge is overcoming the 'Blue E = Internet' mindset of the masses. Does anyone really think that IE's dominance in TODAY's web is not due to its automatic deployment on all Windows PCs? IE has been obsolete for more than 2 years and they still have significant catch-up to do for standards support. Anyway, I think it's up to us as SVG developers/evangelists to convince people that SVG is worthwhile and start building out those wow applications. Heck, let's make those applications XHTML+SVG with suggestions to IE users that they can update themselves to one of the free alternatives to use the site (and some screenshots of what they're missing, of course). Of course this is dependent upon getting alternative browser support of SVG into a more even/reliable state (in my mind this equates to Firefox supporting declarative animation, can others give their opinion on Konqueror and Safari levels of support?). Whoof - once again a small email has turned into a long diatribe, my apologies! Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jean-David Benamou jean-david.benamou@ wrote: I dont know why but I woke up this morning thinking about this vote (probably the bad democratic shape of France ...) I wish as much as everyone does on this list that SVG becomes THE graphic Standard on the web but I am just kind of sceptical about this vote thing : * First : I cant see why democracy rules would apply in such a setting MS calls to vote might hide other purposes ... * Second : Assuming (as it seems) that there is a more or less imminent war between MS and Adobedia around RIA technologies, I cant see why MS would bundle ASV in IE and thus introduce some kind of dependency to Adobe. * Third : However if Adobe finally decides to completely abandon SVG, then including SVG support in IE maybe makes sense strategically ? This would explain why Adobe is so silent about their intent about SVG. Jean-David Jeff Schiller wrote: Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher Francis.Hemsher@ wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend
[svg-developers] Re: Check this out...
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, a_spit_wad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.google.com/trends?q=svg%2C+vml% 2C+xamlctab=0date=allgeo=all Yep, I had some thoughts here: http://www.getsvg.com/general/announcements/google_trends_api_for_svg Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: two graphics, each produces a unique sound onmouseover
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Chetwynd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: two SVG graphics, each produces a unique sound onmouseover: http://bugzilla.opendarwin.org/attachment.cgi?id=8239 regards Jonathan Chetwynd requires foreignObject and audio support in this case Safari webkit FYI - Opera 9 Beta supports the HTML 5 Audio object. You could do this same thing without the use of foreignObject and embed... Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Protect your PC from spy ware with award winning anti spy technology. It's free. http://us.click.yahoo.com/97bhrC/LGxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[svg-developers] Re: two graphics, each produces a unique sound onmouseover
Good, but O9 doesn't support mp3 (last I experimented). WAV files
only, please! :P
Jeff
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Shouldn't you be putting this in a try,catch block? :P
He meant it when he said he was a cook!
?xml version=1.0?
svg xmlns=http://www.w3.org/2000/svg; width=4em height=4em
viewBox=0 0 100 100
rect x=25 y=25 width=50 height=50 onclick=singIt()/
script type=text/ecmascript ![CDATA[
try {
var sound = new Audio(some.mp3);
} catch(e) {
sound=null
}
function singIt() {
try {
sound.play();
} catch (e) {}
}
]]/script
/svg
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[svg-developers] Re: Vote for SVG Support in IE7
Francis, Not sure why I'm nominated, but thanks - I guess ;) Anyway, I did send a request to Chris Wilson on his personal blog feedback form for more information regarding SVG in IE and in particular what was said about SVG and IE at MIX06. I never received a reply, I assume he's swamped. However, tonight the IEBlog did put up links to MIX06 videos (each at 1-hour long). Go read my summary here: http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/05/04/the-future-of-internet-explorer-and-web-standards/ there was a small mention of SVG in the middle of one of the videos. Regards, Jeff --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Francis Hemsher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, I've looked at the recent votes, and its at about 185 and continuing. I guess we could go on for the next few months and build this to any number. I think it's time to make a statement to the IEblog, rather than extend this further. I'd like to nominate Jeff Schiller to revisit that blog to present the SVG Developers Statement, based on the comments from the voting list. This statement would assist the IE7 team to make a decision, and see the future if the right decision is made. We can quicky build this statement on this list, giving opportunity for all to provide their input. Francis --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, Doug Schepers doug@ wrote: Hi, Francis- Nice work getting this ball rolling. I'm not sure how much affect it will have, but it certainly can't hurt. I also posted this to SVG.org. Francis Hemsher wrote: | | P.S. hopefully we will be a legitimate bug for IE8's native | SVG Object. There will probably be updates between IE7 and IE8... let's hope they include SVG ASAP. Regards- Doug Yahoo! Groups Sponsor ~-- Everything you need is one click away. Make Yahoo! your home page now. http://us.click.yahoo.com/AHchtC/4FxNAA/yQLSAA/1U_rlB/TM ~- - To unsubscribe send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click edit my membership Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
