http://blog.codedread.com/archives/2006/06/02/ie72-to-support-svg/
--- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Phi Tran" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I like to share with you all some of my thoughts based on reasoning and my > observation and as result on some of my experience: > > 1- You all know having a very good welcome and much more potential then > "FLASH". Adobe has more reputation then Macromedia, they an easily push it > thru to become wide accepted standard but they choose other way around?. It > tell me something that either they could not find the talented resource > enough to make it thru or the architect of it has some flaws/hurdle to make > SVG become inferior or both. To me this is admittance on Adobe part that > SVG will not serve their purpose and inferior to Flash? > > 2- We have got into this dilemma: > > a- If we put everything (Script and event) inside the SVG then 'SVG" can > not access external elements. Then this is nothing more then an other > 'Flash". In this case I have not seen any player can have it technically > competitive yet simply it's veeeeeeery slow. I personally have done some > research on "Batik" and "FF" on this matter and I don't think that architect > can helping me to overcome this hurdle. > > b- If we put the SVG outside of the player and/or using SVG-outside > javascript making SVG as a part of the DOM. I have give up on this when all > time and every time IE will fails me if there is about 5-6000 elements total > I have not come up with the exact number yet but 6000 is a sure shot. FF > other hand do not fail me on about 7000 yet but it cost me two arms and a > leg to have an element update. (I have not counting the loading time yet). > > c- As some have suggested: Take the code from Batik or FF then make it work > on IE? building a "Me too" ? It is not going to be better either -I think?-. > > d- I do believe the VML plug-gin for none IE may be more appealing to big > player such as Google map then having SVG or even MS live local ? > > 3- Let's be real: Just give me an percentage of client that does not have > access to IE. You can have 15-20% of the client that have FF or Opera. Among > them how many does not have access to IE ? I think this number is veeeeery > small. > > 4- Does Microsoft having any incentive to have SVG "natively support" ?. > give these facts/fact-toids > > a- They already have VML. > > b- It does not take much time to get the open source then make it become an > plug-gin activeX as of AVG. As the way MS does in the pass with "filer > activeX"; 99% percent of the development are already there?. I think this > will become one more "Flash" inferior product. Not counting that MS are > competing with Adobe on other areas of the Web development? > Another ActiveX "Me too" ? > > c- "Hope" come when other browsers are supporting SVG? will it cause MS to > support SVG?. Without any other development we are all hung by a thread. ASV > is an ActiveX which is OS application now it works on XP, 2000. Does it work > on Vista? LongHorn?. > > > > ONLY THE FUTURE WILL TELL. > > > Thanks > > Phi > > > > > > On 6/2/06, Jeff Schiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Actually, digging a little more the spec > > (http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/attindex.html) says that xlink:href is not > > defined for the script element after all. Is this something that all > > implementations have just decided to do anyway? Seems sensible and it > > currently works in ASV, Opera, and Firefox... > > > > And what is the externalResourcesRequired attribute all about? > > > > Now I'm confused... > > > > Jeff > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Jeff Schiller" > > <jeff_schiller@> wrote: > > > > > > This is one of the things which confused me in the very beginning. > > > The <script> element in SVG is not exactly the same as the <script> > > > element in HTML. It is not obvious how to include external scripts > > > from the spec: http://www.w3.org/TR/SVG11/script.html#ScriptElement > > > It's like the specification is intentionally confusing on this point. > > > > > > You have to use the xlink:href attribute, not the src attribute. > > > Furthermore, the xlink namespace needs to be defined up front on your > > > SVG element: > > > > > > <svg version="1.1" ... > > > onload="init();" > > > xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; > > > xmlns:xlink="http://www.w3.org/1999/xlink"; > > > > > > > <script xlink:href="yourscript.js"/> > > > </svg> > > > > > > Another option is to include the script in the body of the <script> > > > element (be sure to use CDATA block if you use characters like <, >, > > etc). > > > > > > Also, if all your functionality is happening in the SVG file directly, > > > I advise you to do away with the referencing HTML document as it > > > serves no purpose. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > --- In svg-developers@yahoogroups.com, "Pramod Eligeti." > > > <pramodcse@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > > > i just have a simple doubt in SVG. > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. <body scroll="no"> > > > > <embed src="WorldView.svg" type="image/svg+xml" width="100%" > > > > height="100% > > > > > > > > "pluginspage="http://www.adobe.com/svg/viewer/install/main.html";> > > > > <div id="infoDiv"></div> > > > > </body> > > > > -------------------------> here i am including the SVG "WorldView" > > > > document in the XHTML page. > > > > > > > > 2. <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > > src="ClientEventHandler.js"> </script> > > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > > src="XMLHttpRequest.js"> </script> > > > > > > > > ------------------> i have included these 2 java script files in the > > > > same XHTML page which have functions > > > > > > > > for Init n getTrueCoords defined in SVG document. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3. <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; onload='Init(evt)' > > > > onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); > > > > > > > > ShowTooltip(evt, true)' > > > > onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)'> > > > > > > > > <g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none'> > > > > > > > > <rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' > > > > ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/> > > > > <text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' > > > > font-size='13'> > > > > <tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue'> > > > > </tspan> > > > > </text> > > > > > > > > </g> > > > > > > > > -------------> here is the code in "WordView" svg document. > > > > > > > > 4. In the first JS file "ClientEventHandler.js" i have the funtions > > > > Init, GetTrueCoords(evt) ..... so on. > > > > > > > > now when a user preform some action like click an element say circle > > > > shape of SVG document, this JS script > > > > > > > > makes AJAX (XHR) requests n comes with an XML with some data, which i > > > > will parse n update the SVG document > > > > > > > > dynamically. Since this SVG is embedded in the HTML page, the page > > > > shows the necessary updated data. > > > > > > > > Now my doubt is why to serve HTML page when user starts from the > > > > browser rather than the SVG document > > > > > > > > directly. > > > > > > > > for that i need to include the 2 external javascript files in the SVG > > > > document so that i directly invoke > > > > > > > > the SVG document from the browser. i just tried to do like this but it > > > > doesnt work. > > > > > > > > <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"; onload='Init(evt)' > > > > onmousemove='GetTrueCoords(evt); > > > > > > > > ShowTooltip(evt, true)' > > > > onmouseout='ShowTooltip(evt, false)'> > > > > > > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > > src="ClientEventHandler.js"> </script> > > > > <script type="text/javascript" language="javascript" > > > > src="XMLHttpRequest.js"> </script> > > > > > > > > <g id='ToolTip' opacity='1.0' display='none' pointer-events='none'> > > > > > > > > <rect id='tipbox' x='0' y='5' width='100' height='20' rx='4' > > > > ry='4' fill='White' stroke='Black'/> > > > > <text id='tipText' x='5' y='20' font-family='Times New Roman' > > > > font-size='13'> > > > > <tspan id='tipTitle' x='5' font-weight='bold' fill='Blue'> > > > > </tspan> > > > > </text> > > > > > > > > </g> > > > > > > > > </svg> > > > > > > > > but here it says unable to find Init n other functions. > > > > > > > > I also want suggestions that which is the good method to either embed > > > > SVG in HTML page or directly use SVG > > > > > > > > alone for web applications. > > > > > > > > Tnks for suggestions n comments, > > > > > > > > Byee, > > > > Pramod. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- > > To unsubscribe send a message to: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > -or- > > visit http://groups.yahoo.com/group/svg-developers and click "edit my > > membership" > > ---- > > Yahoo! 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