[Talk-hr] Import of marine lights
Hi! We are going to import marine lights into the OSM database to highly improve development of marine charts and navigation at sea which is part of the OpenSeamap project. The next area is the Mediterenean Sea. This will touch the whole coastline of Croatia. Please find more information at the following pages: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Openseamap/List_of_Lights_Import Additional information is found there: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Lights_Data_Model http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seamark:fixme http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:seamark:type Best regards, Bernhard __ www.openseamap.org __ ___ Talk-hr mailing list Talk-hr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-hr
Re: [talk-ph] map with geo-tagged photos
Finally, found good example with OpenLayers with Popup Photo. http://gis.ibbeck.de/ginfo/apps/OLExamples/OL26/examples/styles_unique_with_group.html The blue pentagons have slide / photo popup. Click it to view. BTW, jQuery works well with OpenLayers. View source to see how it is implemented. Noli ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] map with geo-tagged photos
Hi Rem, Nice example.Simple but effective. It would be good if lines could also be part of the visible features. --bunny --- On Tue, 5/7/11, Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com wrote: From: Noli Sicad nsi...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [talk-ph] map with geo-tagged photos To: rem zamora pompy...@gmail.com Cc: osm-ph talk-ph@openstreetmap.org Received: Tuesday, 5 July, 2011, 9:39 AM Finally, found good example with OpenLayers with Popup Photo. http://gis.ibbeck.de/ginfo/apps/OLExamples/OL26/examples/styles_unique_with_group.html The blue pentagons have slide / photo popup. Click it to view. BTW, jQuery works well with OpenLayers. View source to see how it is implemented. Noli ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
a beta app to use geocoded tweets to add data to osm -- Forwarded message -- From: Oleg gel...@gmail.com Date: Wed, Jul 6, 2011 at 12:03 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter To: t...@openstreetmap.org Cc: Max Shytikov mshyti...@gmail.com Hi All Seems like this is a good place to tell about a new way to add places to the map. There is a lot of people who use twitter actively with their mobile phones, which has a gps on board. Now you can use location-based tweets to add POIs to the map :) The project just started and we plan to improve it using some beer and Thursday's nights ;) We're open for discussion and want to turn this service into really helpful and funny tool. Check it out: http://osmitter.com Have a fun! Oleg Max ___ talk mailing list t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[talk-ph] Cherry Mobile Cosmo
Hi all, I bought one of these a couple of weeks ago for P 6900. I've been waiting for a decent, cheap Android phone to come along, which to me is the whole reason for Android to exist. However most of them have been 500 USD, 400 USD, 300 USD, until this one came along. I was a bit sceptical about the build quality at first, but I went to the Cherry Mobile outlet, and hefted it in my hand a bit and decided to take the plunge -- no such thing as try-before-you-buy there. Here are the specs: http://www.cherrymobile.com.ph/site/mobiles/cosmo.html As you can see its got Android 2.2, which apparently is streets better than 2.1 or previous. 2.3 would have been even better, but 2.2 is OK. Other things which were on my must have list were 3G (check), wifi (check), and a 3.5 audio jack (check), and of course, the reason why I'm mentioning it here, GPS (check). I had a problem with it randomly shutting down when I first got it. My heart sank as I thought my worst fears were realised - cheap taiwanese trash. But the sales people worked with me diligently to figure out the problem, which turned out to be a bad memory card (actually a batch of them ...). So once it was working, it seems pretty good. Its not a speed machine, but its adequate for what I wanted. In particular the GPS ... works OK. It comes with Google Maps on it, so you need a wifi connection to really use that properly. However I found a version of Trekbuddy in the Android market, and loaded all my Trekbuddy maps onto it, and its been great. It takes a while to get a fix sometimes (I think its programmed to rely too much on AGPS and the contraversial wifi AP database), but once its got a fix, its been fine. I took it on a run last weekend, and it tracked me pretty well. I might try loading up the MapMyRun software next and see what happens with that. Anyone else running Android for mapping out there? Any good apps to try? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Cherry Mobile Cosmo
Hi Jim, Try MyTracks. It has a realtime waytracks on google map while you walk / run and ability to export the gps tracks in KML, etc. http://www.google.com.au/search?sclient=psyhl=ensite=source=hpq=MyTracks+androidaq=oaqi=aql=oq=pbx=1bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.biw=1184bih=554ech=1psi=s-ATTqGeLMn4mAXC_rnpCw.1309925514403.4emsg=NCSRnoj=1ei=s-ATTqGeLMn4mAXC_rnpCw Noli On 7/6/11, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Hi all, I bought one of these a couple of weeks ago for P 6900. I've been waiting for a decent, cheap Android phone to come along, which to me is the whole reason for Android to exist. However most of them have been 500 USD, 400 USD, 300 USD, until this one came along. I was a bit sceptical about the build quality at first, but I went to the Cherry Mobile outlet, and hefted it in my hand a bit and decided to take the plunge -- no such thing as try-before-you-buy there. Here are the specs: http://www.cherrymobile.com.ph/site/mobiles/cosmo.html As you can see its got Android 2.2, which apparently is streets better than 2.1 or previous. 2.3 would have been even better, but 2.2 is OK. Other things which were on my must have list were 3G (check), wifi (check), and a 3.5 audio jack (check), and of course, the reason why I'm mentioning it here, GPS (check). I had a problem with it randomly shutting down when I first got it. My heart sank as I thought my worst fears were realised - cheap taiwanese trash. But the sales people worked with me diligently to figure out the problem, which turned out to be a bad memory card (actually a batch of them ...). So once it was working, it seems pretty good. Its not a speed machine, but its adequate for what I wanted. In particular the GPS ... works OK. It comes with Google Maps on it, so you need a wifi connection to really use that properly. However I found a version of Trekbuddy in the Android market, and loaded all my Trekbuddy maps onto it, and its been great. It takes a while to get a fix sometimes (I think its programmed to rely too much on AGPS and the contraversial wifi AP database), but once its got a fix, its been fine. I took it on a run last weekend, and it tracked me pretty well. I might try loading up the MapMyRun software next and see what happens with that. Anyone else running Android for mapping out there? Any good apps to try? Jim ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
[OSM-legal-talk] Remapping - tags and practice
Hi all, As the licence change draws on, we will inevitably be looking at remapping objects touched by a decliner. I'm interested in how we (as users) tackle something like this: user A (agrees) surveys and maps user B (agrees) refines geometry and tags user C (agrees) refines geometry and tags user D (declines) makes tag change, e.g. highway=unpaved-highway=track user E (agrees) refines geometry and (other) tags user F (agrees) refines geometry and (other) tags (This is a fairly common situation where I map; talk-gb people may be able to guess the context.) Obviously it's trivial to construct an ODbL-ready version of the above; simply back out user D's tag change. I'm interested, however, in how this should be best done in practice. Should I a) create a new object which is the same as A+B+C+E+F, with a tag such as history=formerly way 8678374, user 891 removed? b) simply change the existing way to remove user D's contributions, and add a tag (to the changeset or the way?) to say user 891 removed c) or something else? If b), then such a tag needs to be machine-parseable by, at least, the eventual remove decliners script, and ideally information services such as WTFE, odbl.de, etc. etc... so we probably need to agree on what it is. Any thoughts? cheers Richard ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
- Original Message - From: Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The position of nodes are often derived from the position of other nodes. Nothing of me is original. I am the combined effort of everyone I've ever known. (1) and hence the secret of Creativity is knowing how to hide your sources (2) On a more serious note: I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between (a) that the creation of something (B) has been influenced by something else (A), even more directly impacted by A, (b) that B is derived from A, and finally, (c) that B is a derivative work of A. I was involved with publishing (student) song books (in Finland) when I was younger and we needed to do some wrestling to get the publishing rights (without getting fined, not to mention take-down/pull-out demands) for a number of (student) songs the lyrics of which were not only clearly influenced by copyrighted song lyrics but were quite clearly derived from them. At the end of the day we couldn't publish one song which was deemed a derivative work but at the same time we were able to successfully get publishing rights for many because they were _not_ seen being derivative works even though there was a pretty clear link with many of them to the original song. In the mapping scene or any other international project there's obviously a major difficulty in the fact that different countries laws / tradition treat these issues differently. But the basics are nevertheless the same, I _guess_. Surely OSM can't rely on guessing so it makes sense to be safer than sorry. But it IMHO it doesn't make sense to try to be holier than the pope, so to say. But nevertheless _I_ would say that copyright/IPR-wise there's 0% left of anything protectable if (1) someone's e.g. traced a road from imagery, but has only marked it with, say, highway=road (meaning he states that he has no clue of what kind of road/path/track/river?/ditch/wall/other it is) and then (2) I go to survey the road with GPS, upload the trace (or even simply overlay it with existing data in JOSM) and then tweak the road according to my trace+observations + tag it approriately. And I say that this holds true even if I'd leave a few nodes untouched (because they happened to be where my trace was). Leaving aside the legal / moral validity of the statement I say that this holds true even if I'd leave a few nodes untouched (because they happened to be where my trace was), there is a practical problem with your example. In your example you give the reason the nodes were untouched as being they happened to be where my trace was. In reality we wont know why these nodes were untouched. They may have been untouched because: (I) they happened to be where your trace was (ii) they were simply missed when you did the tracing in the area of your GPX track (iii) the way was a long way and some nodes were outside the area covered by your GPX track. (iv) other reasons. By virtue of the fact the node is untouched we know there will be no information attaching to the node to describe why its position was not moved, so we cant make any assumption about it. Now, surely some jack-ass lawyer could claim that a single (or the few) node(s) that I didn't touch creates a copyright violation and sue me. I could only say: please do. I presume you are here refering to the copyright of the way containing the untouched nodes. What percentage of untouched nodes on a way would you consider safe to use when determining whether the way contains no copyright from the original mapper? Regards David But I know s/he wouldn't. My work could very well be said having been derived (to an extent) from the original work -- but would certainly not be a derived work. (And someone may well disagree with that, and I appreciate that opinion. But I could bet my head on it.) Having said the above it's obviously a different thing that how OSM as a community wants to or even should handle various different situations regarding license change and dealing with data from non-complient sources. I just wanted to note what I think holds very true; that there's a difference between being derived from (to an extent!) and being a derivative work (as seen by law). Just my 2 cents, -Jaakko (1) Chuck Palahniukhttp://www.goodreads.com/author/show/2546.Chuck_Palahniuk (Invisible Monsters http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/849507) (2) Albert Einsteinhttp://www.goodreads.com/author/show/9810.Albert_Einstein (misquoated to him, it seems) -- ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
John Smith deltafoxtrot256@... writes: On 5 July 2011 05:42, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaakko@... wrote: But nevertheless _I_ would say that copyright/IPR-wise there's 0% left of anything protectable if (1) someone's e.g. traced a road from imagery, but has only marked it with, say, highway=road (meaning he states that he has no clue of what kind of road/path/track/river?/ditch/wall/other it is) and then I agree with this only if you could give the same source of data to 10 different people and get the same result each time, for most roads there is some creativity that goes into selecting where to place nodes, which is recognised by most countries since making makes is deemed a creative enterprise. What do you consider as same result? How far away do I have to place a node? If I put one additional node into the way or remove one, is that enough? Bye, Andreas ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
David, My point was to note that being influenced by, being (somewhat) derived from and being a derivativer work are all different things. Period. Additionally I wanted to describe an example where one mapper goes about and produces a simple yet copyrighted work (via arm-chair mapping) and then one (or more people both add the necessary details for the trace to actually become a useful map object _and_ they also change/finetune most of the object geometry (including quite possibly cutting the rd some places where there in fact isn't a rd etc). And I stated for _that example_ that the amount of copyright left (term most probably not existing) is next to nothing for the original tracer; escecially if/when one or more ppl have also used their collected gps traces + new imagery to tweak the geometry. So, in the light of license change (or even copyright violations -- tracing originally from faulty sources) the fact that the 1st creator doesn't agree to the license anymore (or didn't have right to use the original source) will have gotten diminished (if that's any proper expression) at _some_ point. Period. Yes, theoretically there is some creative input left in the work, even some derivative, at least a touch of influence. And in practice some wonderful lawyer or a kind fellow mapper for that mapper could make a fuzz out of things, even sue. But strongly think that: (A) there wouldn't be a case. (B) the moral rights left would have been vanished at _some_ point. So u ask: What percentage of untouched nodes on a way would you consider safe to use when determining whether the way contains no copyright from the original mapper? I don't know. Perhaps 1.324%? As per my description there isn't a formula (at _some_ point). Would b gr8 to have one but such doesn't exist. And this is a (major?) part of why regardless of what I think of what is left of the actual copyright I also think -- as I think I wrote before -- that the community may well need to decide differently on the issue and I could well see myself supporting something stricter (if someone drags me into voting or otherwise casting an opinion on such a decision). Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:37:51 To: Licensing and other legal discussions.legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes - Original Message - From: Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-talk@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The position of nodes are often derived from the position of other nodes. Nothing of me is original. I am the combined effort of everyone I've ever known. (1) and hence the secret of Creativity is knowing how to hide your sources (2) On a more serious note: I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between (a) that the creation of something (B) has been influenced by something else (A), even more directly impacted by A, (b) that B is derived from A, and finally, (c) that B is a derivative work of A. I was involved with publishing (student) song books (in Finland) when I was younger and we needed to do some wrestling to get the publishing rights (without getting fined, not to mention take-down/pull-out demands) for a number of (student) songs the lyrics of which were not only clearly influenced by copyrighted song lyrics but were quite clearly derived from them. At the end of the day we couldn't publish one song which was deemed a derivative work but at the same time we were able to successfully get publishing rights for many because they were _not_ seen being derivative works even though there was a pretty clear link with many of them to the original song. In the mapping scene or any other international project there's obviously a major difficulty in the fact that different countries laws / tradition treat these issues differently. But the basics are nevertheless the same, I _guess_. Surely OSM can't rely on guessing so it makes sense to be safer than sorry. But it IMHO it doesn't make sense to try to be holier than the pope, so to say. But nevertheless _I_ would say that copyright/IPR-wise there's 0% left of anything protectable if (1) someone's e.g. traced a road from imagery, but has only marked it with, say, highway=road (meaning he states that he has no clue of what kind of road/path/track/river?/ditch/wall/other it is) and then (2) I go to survey the road with GPS, upload the trace (or even simply overlay it
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
On 6 July 2011 02:49, ce-test, qualified testing bv - Gert Gremmen g.grem...@cetest.nl wrote: I doubt if any effort in re-creating a map database of the real world can be classified as creative work, as the mapper inevitably tries to copy reality to the best of his effort, and any deviation is just imperfection and corrected once the right information is available. We aren't for the most part trying to make raster images of aerial imagery, so there is a lot of creativity that goes into making interpretations of the real world. I never met a OSM mapper saying he is using his creativity to create an original view of the world. Its not just a lack in precision and perfection that makes a work creative, the creator must also have the intention to add something of himself. In terms of copyright this doesn't matter, just like if you write a few lines of whatever, you automatically receive copyright on your work. In creating tiles the map I agree. Not in creating a database. In terms of copyright, it doesn't matter how a map is stored or how it is displayed, it's the act of making it that matters and because there is human involvement that's all that matters. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
Hi, John Smith writes: On 4 July 2011 22:44, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: IMHO the node position is never a derived work when it is updated. So for the case of the untagged node (if isolated an not part of a way, i.e. unlikely) we could keep the whole object. The position of nodes are often derived from the position of other nodes. so assume the nodes are part of a way that is not available under new CTs. The mapper who agreed did not only move part of the nodes replacing their information with new one and confirming the existence. He also adds new nodes in the middle of the way to have it look eg more smooth. You suggest, that because the way is not clearly licensed all nodes of that way have to be deleted, ignoring the individual license state of the nodes because they could be derived? I'm not a lawyer but as this is legal talk I'm sure someone can explain why this is the case. I always thought that to claim a copyright you need some minimum threshold of originality. OSM is a project about data collecting not about art. I have serious doubts that the individual painting of the shape of a road is high enough to claim a copyright. So why should a single node do? From the original created node is nothing left but an automatically generated id for which only the server could claim a copyright for the high creative effort of generating the id. The way containing the nodes is replaced by a new way (different shape) that is licensed as CC-BY-SA as it is a derived work. Only the shape was modified. The original author could still hold parts of copyrights (if they exist). But back to the question: what about the nodes? Stephan ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
Hi, John Smith wrote: In both cases, either tagging something as clean or deleting and re-adding assumes good faith, we already know people copy data from incompatible sources, what's to stop someone simple cutting and pasting data or mass tagging ways as clean? Nothing. But assuming good faith is not something new; we do that now with respect to other data sources. If someone were to flag something as clean that isn't and he's found out, we would have to do exactly what we do if we find that someone has been copying from Google etc. Actually I think there's no way around some sort of good-faith-assuming, community-involving process here because there will always be corner cases that cannot be determined algorithmically and that have to be investigated by a human being. We will need to create set of workable guidelines for our community members to exercise judgement but there will always be an element of judgement. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
[OSM-talk] Unkown Node Type 8 by Planet import
Good Morning. to day I tried to import Planet_Latest.osm.bz2 into database named Planet of Potgis_template. I used osm2pgsql, as usual, to import this planet file, but there is error very fast after start the process as follows: reading in File: Planet_Latest.osm.bz2 Error: ' Unknown Node Type 8' Please help about the reason and solution. Thanks in advance, Saphy ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Unkown Node Type 8 by Planet import
Hi, On 07/05/11 09:21, Saphy Mo wrote: reading in File: Planet_Latest.osm.bz2 Error: ' Unknown Node Type 8' You can ignore that safely. Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Right angles and aspect ratio
Am 05.07.2011 03:30, schrieb Paul Hartmann: On 07/05/2011 03:09 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: Hello, I have recently noticed that JOSM does not produce pleasing right angles when I select Orthogonalise Shape (Q). ... Maybe you have set the wrong projection? Try Mercator. While that's true to avoid the problem: shouldn't be these tools independent from the projection? If that's willingly not independent, IMHO there should be a warning that making circular does not make it circular on ground, but in the current projection, that produces wrong angles. Regards Peter ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Right angles and aspect ratio
On 07/05/2011 10:01 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Am 05.07.2011 03:30, schrieb Paul Hartmann: On 07/05/2011 03:09 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: Hello, I have recently noticed that JOSM does not produce pleasing right angles when I select Orthogonalise Shape (Q). ... Maybe you have set the wrong projection? Try Mercator. While that's true to avoid the problem: shouldn't be these tools independent from the projection? Do you mean geometry in 3D / on the sphere? This is quite complicated. E.g. if you draw a little rectangle on the sphere, each angel is slightly larger than 90 degrees. (Assuming the edges are the shortest lines from point to point on the sphere.) So you cannot really orthogonalize it. A circle would be easy, though. If that's willingly not independent, IMHO there should be a warning that making circular does not make it circular on ground, but in the current projection, that produces wrong angles. It was suggested, that Q should use Mercator silently, no matter which projection is currently selected. But then it will look skew in JOSM, so maybe some kind of warning would be best. Paul ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Hi, Our wiki lists Free The Postcode, Mapstraction, and OpenStreetPhoto as our Sister Projects. I propose to delete that paragraph altogether because I think that this is just a random list - I fail to see what value this adds to the OSM wiki start page, and I fail to see what is so special about these projects as to merit a mention on our main wiki page. Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Bye Frederik ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
You need to consider and to apply due diligence. A deleted road/way/node is deleted, and by fiddling around with its properties, nodes or ways, you won't change its legal status. If you need to preserve a name of street (as an example) that you observed yourself withing the license CT conditions you need to link the name to other map objects that comply with the license and ct. So: I once noted a road from node xxx to yyy (both compliant nodes) and its name was observed name; I have not the slightest idea how it routed, but I know the name (and other properties), because . (CT and LICENCE compatible proof inserted). From these written observations, you may apply this name again to a new captured road that replaces the deleted road. Regards, Gert Gremmen, -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: Andreas Perstinger [mailto:andreas.perstin...@gmx.net] Verzonden: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 3:05 PM Aan: legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes John Smith deltafoxtrot256@... writes: On 5 July 2011 05:42, Jaakko Helleranta.com jaakko@... wrote: But nevertheless _I_ would say that copyright/IPR-wise there's 0% left of anything protectable if (1) someone's e.g. traced a road from imagery, but has only marked it with, say, highway=road (meaning he states that he has no clue of what kind of road/path/track/river?/ditch/wall/other it is) and then I agree with this only if you could give the same source of data to 10 different people and get the same result each time, for most roads there is some creativity that goes into selecting where to place nodes, which is recognised by most countries since making makes is deemed a creative enterprise. What do you consider as same result? How far away do I have to place a node? If I put one additional node into the way or remove one, is that enough? Bye, Andreas ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
On 5 July 2011 23:04, Andreas Perstinger andreas.perstin...@gmx.net wrote: What do you consider as same result? How far away do I have to place a node? If I put one additional node into the way or remove one, is that enough? The same as in an identical result, if they use the same sources then the only difference is their creative interpretation of the data sources into producing map data. ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Am 05.07.2011 15:19, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Our wiki lists Free The Postcode, Mapstraction, and OpenStreetPhoto as our Sister Projects. I propose to delete that paragraph altogether because I think that this is just a random list - I fail to see what value this adds to the OSM wiki start page, and I fail to see what is so special about these projects as to merit a mention on our main wiki page. Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Bye Frederik Sounds good, I like the idea of cleaning up the mainpage :) cya Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
- Original Message - From: Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes David, My point was to note that being influenced by, being (somewhat) derived from and being a derivativer work are all different things. Period. Additionally I wanted to describe an example where one mapper goes about and produces a simple yet copyrighted work (via arm-chair mapping) and then one (or more people both add the necessary details for the trace to actually become a useful map object _and_ they also change/finetune most of the object geometry (including quite possibly cutting the rd some places where there in fact isn't a rd etc). And I stated for _that example_ that the amount of copyright left (term most probably not existing) is next to nothing for the original tracer; escecially if/when one or more ppl have also used their collected gps traces + new imagery to tweak the geometry. So, in the light of license change (or even copyright violations -- tracing originally from faulty sources) the fact that the 1st creator doesn't agree to the license anymore (or didn't have right to use the original source) will have gotten diminished (if that's any proper expression) at _some_ point. Period. Yes, theoretically there is some creative input left in the work, even some derivative, at least a touch of influence. And in practice some wonderful lawyer or a kind fellow mapper for that mapper could make a fuzz out of things, even sue. But strongly think that: (A) there wouldn't be a case. (B) the moral rights left would have been vanished at _some_ point. So u ask: What percentage of untouched nodes on a way would you consider safe to use when determining whether the way contains no copyright from the original mapper? I don't know. Perhaps 1.324%? As per my description there isn't a formula (at _some_ point). Would b gr8 to have one but such doesn't exist. Agreed it certainly doesn't exist at the moment. Since we are now in Phase 4 of the implementation plan [1], and part of phase 4 is Start of technical work to publish the first ODbL-only database. then at some stage soon (arguably before now) this discussion will have to move beyond a theoretical discussion to a practical one. Either: (i) there will be an automated process to remove certain ways / nodes which are deemed to be incompatible with CT/ODbL/DbCL, in which case a formula will have to be arrived at ; or (ii) every way / node which has not got a complete chain of acceptance for CT's will have to be individually looked at. Regards David [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Database_License/Implementation_Plan And this is a (major?) part of why regardless of what I think of what is left of the actual copyright I also think -- as I think I wrote before -- that the community may well need to decide differently on the issue and I could well see myself supporting something stricter (if someone drags me into voting or otherwise casting an opinion on such a decision). Cheers, -Jaakko Sent from my BlackBerry® device from Digicel -- Mobile: +509-37-26 91 54, Skype/GoogleTalk: jhelleranta -Original Message- From: David Groom revi...@pacific-rim.net Date: Tue, 5 Jul 2011 11:37:51 To: Licensing and other legal discussions.legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Reply-To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes - Original Message - From: Jaakko Helleranta.com jaa...@helleranta.com To: Licensing and other legal discussions. legal-t...@openstreetmap.org Sent: Monday, July 04, 2011 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 12:53 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: The position of nodes are often derived from the position of other nodes. Nothing of me is original. I am the combined effort of everyone I've ever known. (1) and hence the secret of Creativity is knowing how to hide your sources (2) On a more serious note: I think it's important to remember that there's a difference between (a) that the creation of something (B) has been influenced by something else (A), even more directly impacted by A, (b) that B is derived from A, and finally, (c) that B is a derivative work of A. I was involved with publishing (student) song books (in Finland) when I was younger and we needed to do some wrestling to get the publishing rights (without getting fined, not to mention take-down/pull-out demands) for a number of (student) songs the lyrics of which were not only clearly influenced by copyrighted song lyrics but were quite clearly derived from them. At the end of the day we couldn't publish one song which was deemed a derivative work but at the same time we were able
[OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
Hi All Seems like this is a good place to tell about a new way to add places to the map. There is a lot of people who use twitter actively with their mobile phones, which has a gps on board. Now you can use location-based tweets to add POIs to the map :) The project just started and we plan to improve it using some beer and Thursday's nights ;) We're open for discussion and want to turn this service into really helpful and funny tool. Check it out: http://osmitter.com Have a fun! Oleg Max ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
On 05/07/11 17:03, Oleg wrote: Hi All Seems like this is a good place to tell about a new way to add places to the map. There is a lot of people who use twitter actively with their mobile phones, which has a gps on board. Now you can use location-based tweets to add POIs to the map :) The project just started and we plan to improve it using some beer and Thursday's nights ;) We're open for discussion and want to turn this service into really helpful and funny tool. Check it out: http://osmitter.com http://osmitter.com/ It seems to use osmitter I have to link my twitter account to osm account. That sounds like a good idea because it means my edits will be under my name. However it seems I have to grant osmitter sweeping rights to my twitter account. If I agreed, osmitter would have rights to add new followers and send tweets as me, so I can't agree to that. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
While I think that this is generally not a bad idea, I'd still expect that the data has not the average positional quality OSM usually has. Martijn van Exel gave a talk at Wherecamp-EU in Berlin about the same topic (twitter to osm) and in the following discussion the consensus was towards a intermediate layer where those tweets would be stored, so that you can do reasonable verification at home with the comfort of a map and probably some nice aerial fotos in the background to validate the raw data. I also stumbled upon the first tagging examples on your page: Italian pizzeria amenity=cafe name=Pizza Ololo cuisine=italian #osmit Is this really consensus to tag a pizzeria as cafe? There is also restaurant and fast_food in the amenity value-set. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
2011/7/5 Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: Maybe we should simply have a link Related Projects pointing to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Related_Project in this location? Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
Hello Chris, Good point - we'll remove that permission - but we still need your twitter ID - to keep you associated with OSM, so, authorized once you will be able to tweet without boring auth procedure. -- RO 2011/7/5 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net On 05/07/11 17:03, Oleg wrote: Hi All Seems like this is a good place to tell about a new way to add places to the map. There is a lot of people who use twitter actively with their mobile phones, which has a gps on board. Now you can use location-based tweets to add POIs to the map :) The project just started and we plan to improve it using some beer and Thursday's nights ;) We're open for discussion and want to turn this service into really helpful and funny tool. Check it out: http://osmitter.com http://osmitter.com/ It seems to use osmitter I have to link my twitter account to osm account. That sounds like a good idea because it means my edits will be under my name. However it seems I have to grant osmitter sweeping rights to my twitter account. If I agreed, osmitter would have rights to add new followers and send tweets as me, so I can't agree to that. -- Cheers, Chris user: chillly __**_ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.**org/listinfo/talkhttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
Hi Martin, Yes, I've talk to Shaun McDonald - he told me about this discussion. The sad thing - I was planning to visit wherecamp this summer as well, but no luck there ;) Think, correcting posted data is a useful tool, we can do that - as we can keep all the data, we'v parsed. First we want to add is a human-readable tagging - so, you can add fast food italian pizzeria Ololo #osmit, but, still thinking on formatting and parsing rules on this case. A good example is another place, named French Fries, for instance... If there's any idea on parsing both of the cases correctly... and yes = we'll update that example! -- RO 2011/7/5 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com While I think that this is generally not a bad idea, I'd still expect that the data has not the average positional quality OSM usually has. Martijn van Exel gave a talk at Wherecamp-EU in Berlin about the same topic (twitter to osm) and in the following discussion the consensus was towards a intermediate layer where those tweets would be stored, so that you can do reasonable verification at home with the comfort of a map and probably some nice aerial fotos in the background to validate the raw data. I also stumbled upon the first tagging examples on your page: Italian pizzeria amenity=cafe name=Pizza Ololo cuisine=italian #osmit Is this really consensus to tag a pizzeria as cafe? There is also restaurant and fast_food in the amenity value-set. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? bye Matthias ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Emitter
Hi Oleg, Well you beat me to it :) This is in fact almost exactly what I had in mind and what I discussed at WhereCampEU. Apart from the comments Martin made, we also discussed using a mention instead of a hashtag. This helps to keep the user's followers twitter streams free of the osmitter tweets that do not make sense to most anyway. The rationale here is that a tweet starting with a @mention will - I believe - only show up in your follower's stream if they also follow that account. Also, I've been thinking about feedback to the user. Because GPS is generally inaccurate in dense urban areas this way of adding things to OSM will result in quite a number of those things ending up on the next block or on the wrong side of the street. It would be good if there were some way for the user to easily review his submissions. This could be done in a number of ways. Firstly there is the intermediate layer that Martin mentioned. I was talking to Oliver (Skobbler) about using MapDust for that and that makes a lot of sense to me. If you choose to go the route you chose and add directly there should be either something like a queue of twitter submissions on the osmitter web site that you could pull up to review your submissions, or possibly a twitter reply with a link to a mobile site allowing you to do that. As it is, this system will generate a lot of inaccurately located POIs – or does your experience show otherwise? A last thing that I've been thinking about implementing is a way to add links to photos to the POI. Twitter clients on smartphones generally have tight integration with photo sharing services - take a picture, twitter client uploads and inserts link to image page on sharing service. That link could be added as a tag (url:photo or something?) to the poi. Best Martijn On Tue, Jul 5, 2011 at 8:06 PM, Oleg gel...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin, Yes, I've talk to Shaun McDonald - he told me about this discussion. The sad thing - I was planning to visit wherecamp this summer as well, but no luck there ;) Think, correcting posted data is a useful tool, we can do that - as we can keep all the data, we'v parsed. First we want to add is a human-readable tagging - so, you can add fast food italian pizzeria Ololo #osmit, but, still thinking on formatting and parsing rules on this case. A good example is another place, named French Fries, for instance... If there's any idea on parsing both of the cases correctly... and yes = we'll update that example! -- RO 2011/7/5 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com While I think that this is generally not a bad idea, I'd still expect that the data has not the average positional quality OSM usually has. Martijn van Exel gave a talk at Wherecamp-EU in Berlin about the same topic (twitter to osm) and in the following discussion the consensus was towards a intermediate layer where those tweets would be stored, so that you can do reasonable verification at home with the comfort of a map and probably some nice aerial fotos in the background to validate the raw data. I also stumbled upon the first tagging examples on your page: Italian pizzeria amenity=cafe name=Pizza Ololo cuisine=italian #osmit Is this really consensus to tag a pizzeria as cafe? There is also restaurant and fast_food in the amenity value-set. Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- martijn van exel schaaltreinen.nl ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? Cheers, Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
Hi, Stephan Knauss wrote: The mapper who agreed did not only move part of the nodes replacing their information with new one and confirming the existence. I think that's the key point here. We cannot know whether the new mapper actually had a valid source that would have let him place these nodes. Imagine: The mapper has collected a GPX track for a 10km long cycleway that, partly, followed a riverbank. When mapping, he finds that the current river geometry in OSM seems to be 20 metres offset because it meanders in and out of his cycleway. He doesn't have a full new river geometry; he only knows that in 3 locations along the 10km track, the river is obviously, and consistently offset - maybe the river is tagged source=landsat which would explain that -, and thus the mapper simply moves the whole river and all its nodes 20 metres into one direction. This is a contrived example but not totally unrealstic; I have definitely done similar things myself! Now according to your logic, the new mapper gains sole copyright (provided such a thing exists) for the 10km stretch of river, even though he never even looked at the Landsat images or whatever. On the other hand, had the new mapper traveled along the river in a boat and collected a GPX track which later led him to do the exact same thing - move the whole river by 20 metres in one direction -, then that could be said to constitute a confirmation of the existence and a replacement of the geometry information with new, originally collected information. Now if my example was really outlandish and something like that almost never happens, then one could probably say, to hell with it, let's assume any moving of a geometry can only be made from original sources. But if there is reason to believe that this happens often, then we must err on the side of caution and flag the river (in this example) for deletion. Now if the mapper comes along and sees the river flagged for deletion, and remembers that he traveled the river in a boat, and maybe even has the GPX track, there's nothing to keep him from simply overriding the standard assumption of we will have to delete this river. We don't yet have a mechanism for that; currently the mapper would have to delete and re-create the river but personally I am in favour of a special, temporary license override tag that people could add to an object, something like i_have_personally_investigated_the_history_of_this_object_and_i_can_vouch_for_it_being_odbl_clean=true. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? To point out the difference? Maybe we should rename the page to similar projects because related seems to suggest that we have some sort of working relationship (i.e. OSMF board members being invited to VIP dinners and such ;) I would have no problem with a similar projects page that maybe has two sub-sections, other open projects and proprietary products or so. It doesn't even have to be as placative as http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Google_map_maker ;) Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-legal-talk] license change effect on un-tagged nodes
On 6 July 2011 07:37, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Now if the mapper comes along and sees the river flagged for deletion, and remembers that he traveled the river in a boat, and maybe even has the GPX track, there's nothing to keep him from simply overriding the standard assumption of we will have to delete this river. We don't yet have a mechanism for that; currently the mapper would have to delete and re-create the river but personally I am in favour of a special, temporary license override tag that people could add to an object, something like i_have_personally_investigated_the_history_of_this_object_and_i_can_vouch_for_it_being_odbl_clean=true. In both cases, either tagging something as clean or deleting and re-adding assumes good faith, we already know people copy data from incompatible sources, what's to stop someone simple cutting and pasting data or mass tagging ways as clean? ___ legal-talk mailing list legal-t...@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/legal-talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Sister Projects
On Tue, 2011-07-05 at 23:35 +0200, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/7/5 Matthias Meisser dig...@arcor.de: Am Dienstag, den 05.07.2011, 19:48 +0200 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Maybe we can also open a discussion about this related projects list. IMHO googlemapmaker - although having a similar approach - is not related to OSM. I'd delete all of the projects there that have a no in the license column, i.e. all copyrighted. IMHO OSM is not related to projects that collect proprietary data. Sure, maybe we find a better topic than 'related' or sister projects. Maybe 'other VGI' or something more strict? Why on earth should we give references to proprietary data projects like mapmaker in our wiki? So the project doesnt appear to outsiders like we got our head stuck in the sand? We're not giving advertising space, we're giving one row in a comparison column. Can you suggest another way of showing the comparison between OSM and other similar projects/sites, without mentioning those projects/sites? Besides, if that page only showed projects which follow the same licence as OSM, the page would be pretty much empty, even the forks who are almost identical to the OSM project in every way, wouldnt meet that criteria. I guess you could always just do what advertisements do and refer to 'the other leading map program', without referring to it by name. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
[OSM-talk] adding multiple relations (bus routes) to one road
hi, I'm currently adding a lot of bus routes to roads in central Auckland. problem is, it's getting hard to manage. some road segments have 40+ routes on them, which gets complicated. here is an example of one which I've added 12 routes to; there will be lots more http://www.openbusmap.org/?zoom=17lat=-36.86508lon=174.74462layers=BT are there any suggestions for making it easier? -- robin http://bumblepuppy.org/blog/?p=237 - government bill to remove basic human rights in NZ ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Commentaar bij een wijziging; verschillende sets aanmaken.
On 05-07-11 02:13, Andre Engels wrote: 2011/7/5 drek d...@drek.nl mailto:d...@drek.nl Weet iemand misschien een antwoord op mijn vraag? Ik wil graag commentaar bij een gedane wijziging wijzigen. Is dit mogelijk? Nee, voorzover ik weet kan dat niet in Potlatch, heb zelf ook wel eens het probleem gehad. De enige oplossing die ik weet, is opslaan, en daarna op 'edit' klikken. Je krijgt dan hetzelfde beeld als voorheen, maar je wijzigingen vallen onder een nieuwe set. -- André Engels, andreeng...@gmail.com mailto:andreeng...@gmail.com ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl In Potlatch 2 kun je op C drukken om de huidige changeset af te sluiten, en daarna kun je opnieuw op Opslaan klikken en een nieuw commentaar toevoegen. Is dat wat je bedoelt? Zie http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potlatch_2/Shortcuts Met vriendelijke groeten, Willem Sonke ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl
[Talk-br] Best of OSM - Rio de Janeiro
Rio de Janeiro, a primeira cidade brasileira no Best of OpenStreetMap: http://bestofosm.org/ http://bestofosm.org/ Parabéns aos envolvidos! ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Best of OSM - Rio de Janeiro
Muito Legal! Precisei dar um Refresh pra aparecer a estrelinha, mas está lá! Parabéns mesmo... 2011/7/5 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com Rio de Janeiro, a primeira cidade brasileira no Best of OpenStreetMap: http://bestofosm.org/ http://bestofosm.org/ Parabéns aos envolvidos! ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-br] Best of OSM - Rio de Janeiro
Parabéns a todos nós! :) []s 2011/7/5 Claudomiro Nascimento Junior claudom...@claudomiro.com: Muito Legal! Precisei dar um Refresh pra aparecer a estrelinha, mas está lá! Parabéns mesmo... 2011/7/5 vitor vitor.geo...@gmail.com Rio de Janeiro, a primeira cidade brasileira no Best of OpenStreetMap: http://bestofosm.org/ Parabéns aos envolvidos! ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br ___ Talk-br mailing list Talk-br@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-br
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Am 05.07.2011 01:16, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 4. Juli 2011 21:32 schrieb Boris Wagnerb...@gmx.net: Am 04.07.2011 16:58, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Beim 60csx gehen mit der aktuellen FW auf jeden Fall Kartenfiles mit 4GB Größe. Da bin ich mir zu 100% sicher. wie? Ich habe die Firmware 4.00 (gem. Garmin Seite die aktuelle) und GPS SW 2.90s. Hängt das evtl. mit dem Gerät zusammen (dass die nicht alle baugleich sind)? Gruß Martin Changeset der FW 3.90 laut Garmin: - added support for maps greater than 2 GB Gruß Boris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradhängerfreundlich
Hallo Wofür gibt es denn width, surface, smoothness und evtl. noch tracktype? Genau...dafür, dass man für sein Transportmittel individuell auswerten kann, ob man da lang möchte/kann oder eben nicht. Wenn die mal flächendeckender erfasst wären, könnte man auch über die Relationen eine Statistik laufen lassen, die dann die Eignung ermittelt. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Ok, ich denke über das Größenproblem ist jetzt genug geredet. - Die Frage war dann doch wohl eher, welche Kartenkacheln sinnvoll zu kombinieren sind. - Und natürlich die Frage, wie es mit dem AOITM weitergeht? Gruß UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 09:28 schrieb Boris Wagner: Am 05.07.2011 01:16, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 4. Juli 2011 21:32 schrieb Boris Wagnerb...@gmx.net: Am 04.07.2011 16:58, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Beim 60csx gehen mit der aktuellen FW auf jeden Fall Kartenfiles mit 4GB Größe. Da bin ich mir zu 100% sicher. wie? Ich habe die Firmware 4.00 (gem. Garmin Seite die aktuelle) und GPS SW 2.90s. Hängt das evtl. mit dem Gerät zusammen (dass die nicht alle baugleich sind)? Gruß Martin Changeset der FW 3.90 laut Garmin: - added support for maps greater than 2 GB Gruß Boris ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Wäre ein Auswahldialog, bei dem man sich die Kacheln selber zusammenstellen kann nicht sinnvoller? Wenn die Kacheln alle vorhanden sind dauert die Index-Erstellung doch nicht wirklich etwas. Der User bekommt dann einen Link per Mail und kann die Karte dann laden. Irgendwann wird dann die Karte wieder gelöscht. Alternativ könnte man natürlich auch einfach nur die Kacheln und ein Skript + mkgmap zusammenpacken und der Nutzer rechnet selber. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Grundsätzlich gefällt mir die Idee gut. Es sollte nur unbedingt möglich sein, dass der Erstellungsprozess für die gewünschten gmapsupp.img Datei völlig Systemübergreifend (Win, Linux, Mac) erfolgen kann. Gruß UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 09:41 schrieb Henning Scholland: Wäre ein Auswahldialog, bei dem man sich die Kacheln selber zusammenstellen kann nicht sinnvoller? Wenn die Kacheln alle vorhanden sind dauert die Index-Erstellung doch nicht wirklich etwas. Der User bekommt dann einen Link per Mail und kann die Karte dann laden. Irgendwann wird dann die Karte wieder gelöscht. Alternativ könnte man natürlich auch einfach nur die Kacheln und ein Skript + mkgmap zusammenpacken und der Nutzer rechnet selber. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Hallo Das sollte möglich sein. mkgmap ist ein java-Programm und das Script besteht nur aus dem Programmaufruf mit den ganzen Parametern. Davon macht man für jedes System eine Version, oder gibt es auch eine universelle Scriptsprache? Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Ja, und genau, da liegt dann mein Problem, an dem ich regelmäßig scheitere. Ich kenne JOSM und arbeite gerne damit, aber mkgmap ist für mich einfach ein Buch mit sieben Siegeln. Das Programm hat, wie man so schön sagt, keine usability. Kann man das Teil nicht so schreiben und gestalten, dass selbst Dummys wie ich damit einfach klarkommen? Gruß UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 11:01 schrieb Henning Scholland: Hallo Das sollte möglich sein. mkgmap ist ein java-Programm und das Script besteht nur aus dem Programmaufruf mit den ganzen Parametern. Davon macht man für jedes System eine Version, oder gibt es auch eine universelle Scriptsprache? Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
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Am 5. Juli 2011 11:09 schrieb UMAX974 umax...@googlemail.com: Ja, und genau, da liegt dann mein Problem, an dem ich regelmäßig scheitere. Ich kenne JOSM und arbeite gerne damit, aber mkgmap ist für mich einfach ein Buch mit sieben Siegeln. Das Programm hat, wie man so schön sagt, keine usability. Kann man das Teil nicht so schreiben und gestalten, dass selbst Dummys wie ich damit einfach klarkommen? Als ich das das letzte Mal benutzt habe reichte es aus, das Programm mit entsprechenden Parametern auszuführen, der Rest ging automatisch (hatte allerdings einen kleinen Bereich gemacht, der kein Splitten erforderte). Es gibt mittlerweile Skripte, die AFAIK alles automatisch machen, sowohl für Win als für Linux. Sieh mal hier: http://mce66.altervista.org/software.html#Open_Maps_for_Garmin_navigators (das erste dort, bzw. Direktlink zur Windowsversion: http://mce66.altervista.org/software/IMG-OSM-Country/CreateIMG-beta06.zip ) Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
HI! seit einiger Zeit bin ich dabei mit folgender Problematik unter Windows7 64bit zu experimentieren. * Erstellen eines Zip-Archives (oder ein anderes Packformat) * Hochladen auf den Server (1und1) - das ist erledigt * entpacken auf dem Server. Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Mit 7 Zip hatte ich das Problem das meine php-Scripte nicht funktioniert haben - Winrar-Zip hat funktioniert - in allen Dinge. Ist nur nicht frei - und ich bin geizig ! Gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
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Hi, On 07/05/11 11:46, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Wenn ich Dich richtig verstehe, ist Dein Problem, dass Du kein Commandline-Auspacktool fuer Zip-Dateien auf Windows hast? Ich habe Windows Commandline Unzip in Google eingegeben und fand als ersten Treffer dies: http://stahlworks.com/dev/index.php?tool=zipunzip Hast Du das schon probiert? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
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Hm, Aber der Mac ist wieder außen vor... ;( - Oder gibt es auch für den was? UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 11:46 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 5. Juli 2011 11:09 schrieb UMAX974 umax...@googlemail.com: Ja, und genau, da liegt dann mein Problem, an dem ich regelmäßig scheitere. Ich kenne JOSM und arbeite gerne damit, aber mkgmap ist für mich einfach ein Buch mit sieben Siegeln. Das Programm hat, wie man so schön sagt, keine usability. Kann man das Teil nicht so schreiben und gestalten, dass selbst Dummys wie ich damit einfach klarkommen? Als ich das das letzte Mal benutzt habe reichte es aus, das Programm mit entsprechenden Parametern auszuführen, der Rest ging automatisch (hatte allerdings einen kleinen Bereich gemacht, der kein Splitten erforderte). Es gibt mittlerweile Skripte, die AFAIK alles automatisch machen, sowohl für Win als für Linux. Sieh mal hier: http://mce66.altervista.org/software.html#Open_Maps_for_Garmin_navigators (das erste dort, bzw. Direktlink zur Windowsversion: http://mce66.altervista.org/software/IMG-OSM-Country/CreateIMG-beta06.zip ) Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Fahrradhängerfreundlich
Am 5. Juli 2011 09:36 schrieb Henning Scholland o...@aighes.de: Hallo Wofür gibt es denn width, surface, smoothness und evtl. noch tracktype? Genau...dafür, dass man für sein Transportmittel individuell auswerten kann, ob man da lang möchte/kann oder eben nicht. Sehe ich genau so. Mann muss auch mal daran denken, wie OSM funktioniert und an die Daten kommt -- durch die Beteiligung sehr vieler einzelner Leute. Davon sind die Fahrradfahrer nur eine Teilmenge. Von diesen wiederum die Fahrradfahrer mit Anhängern ein verschwindend geringer Teil. Für ein eigenes Schema für Fahrradanhänger dürfte es an einer kritischen Masse an Mappern fehlen, die fähig oder willens sind hierzu Aussagen und Eintragungen zu treffen, um eine brauchbare Abdeckung zu erreichen. Width, surface und tracktype sind dagegen Angaben, die jeder machen kann und wird. Smoothness hat meines Wissens immer noch das Problem, dass nicht klar ist auf was für einen Fahrzeug bzw. Fahrrad man überhaupt abstellen will und ist daher meiner Meinung nach in der jetzigen Form unbrauchbar. Gruß, Falk ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Am 05.07.2011 11:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 07/05/11 11:46, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Wenn ich Dich richtig verstehe, ist Dein Problem, dass Du kein Commandline-Auspacktool fuer Zip-Dateien auf Windows hast? Ich habe Windows Commandline Unzip in Google eingegeben und fand als ersten Treffer dies: http://stahlworks.com/dev/index.php?tool=zipunzip Hast Du das schon probiert? Bye Frederik hi ! ... umgekehrt - ich muss erst einmal auf windows7 packen und dann das richtige entpackscript auf dem zerver haben ! hast Du mir dem Teil schon einaml das Bündeln von Dateien in verschachtelten Verzeichnissen realisiert bekommen ?? gruß Jan :-) ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Am 5. Juli 2011 12:41 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Am 05.07.2011 11:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 07/05/11 11:46, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Wenn ich Dich richtig verstehe, ist Dein Problem, dass Du kein Commandline-Auspacktool fuer Zip-Dateien auf Windows hast? Ich habe Windows Commandline Unzip in Google eingegeben und fand als ersten Treffer dies: http://stahlworks.com/dev/index.php?tool=zipunzip Hast Du das schon probiert? Bye Frederik hi ! ... umgekehrt - ich muss erst einmal auf windows7 packen und dann das richtige entpackscript auf dem zerver haben ! hast Du mir dem Teil schon einaml das Bündeln von Dateien in verschachtelten Verzeichnissen realisiert bekommen ?? such mal nach tar bzw. komprimiere dann mit bzip (tar.bz2). komprimieren mit bz2 geht z.B. so: tar -cvjf archivname.tar.bz2 zusicherndedateibzwordnername Entpacken auf dem Server sollte so gehen: tar -xvjf dateiname.tar.bz2 Das ist rekursiv, d.h. die Ordnerstruktur wird beibehalten. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Am 5. Juli 2011 12:05 schrieb UMAX974 umax...@googlemail.com: Hm, Aber der Mac ist wieder außen vor... ;( - Oder gibt es auch für den was? Müsstest Du mal im App-Store nachsehen (SCNR). Im Ernst, evtl. geht das Linux-Script auch auf dem Mac. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Letztlich musst du nur eine jar-Datei mit Parametern ausführen können. Das dürfte auch am Mac möglich sein. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
hi i! ich habe aber keine commandline !!! gruß Jan :-) Das ist rekursiv, d.h. die Ordnerstruktur wird beibehalten. Gruß Martin ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Also alle meine Windows PCs incl. Win7 haben auch eine command.com :-) Ansonsten verstehe ich nicht was Du meinst. Dann müsstest Du bitte etwas spezifischer werden. Am 05.07.2011 13:18, schrieb Jan Tappenbeck: hi i! ich habe aber keine commandline !!! gruß Jan :-) -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Carsten Schönert ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Hi, On 07/05/11 15:22, Carsten Schönert wrote: Also alle meine Windows PCs incl. Win7 haben auch eine command.com :-) Oder eine cmd.exe? Bye Frederik ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Hi Frederik, Am 05.07.2011 15:25, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 07/05/11 15:22, Carsten Schönert wrote: Also alle meine Windows PCs incl. Win7 haben auch eine command.com :-) Oder eine cmd.exe? J, :-) die meinte ich ich. Unter XP geht beides. Ich arbeite inzwischen zu geschätzt 80% unter Linux. Aber hin und wieder will man auch einfach mal eine IP wissen oder ein traceroute ausführen unter Windows. Und da verlasse ich mich dann doch lieber auf die bekannten Kommandozeilentools. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Carsten Schönert ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Hi
Am 5. Juli 2011 13:18 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net:
hi i!
ich habe aber keine commandline !!!
gruß Jan :-)
Wenn du die Datei auf dem Server auspacken willst, dann check doch mal
deine phpinfo() ob zip Support an ist.
Wenn ja dann kannst du sowas machen:
?php
$zip = new ZipArchive;
$datei = $zip-open($_GET[meineDatei]);
if ($datei === TRUE) {
$zip-extractTo([meinOrdner]);
$zip-close();
echo ‘Juhu es klappt’;
} else {
echo ‘Auml;tsch! Pech gehabt’;
}
?
In deinem lokalen Skript machst du dann
iexplore.exe http://www.expample.com?file=meineDateiziel=MeinOrnder
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Am 5. Juli 2011 15:42 schrieb Stefan Schwan stefan.sch...@googlemail.com: iexplore.exe http://www.expample.com?file=meineDateiziel=MeinOrnder Ups: iexplore.exe http://www.expample.com/meinphp.php?file=meineDateiziel=MeinOrdner ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
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Am 5. Juli 2011 15:42 schrieb Stefan Schwan stefan.sch...@googlemail.com: $zip-extractTo([meinOrdner]); :( $zip-extractTo($_GET[meinOrdner]); ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Sorry, das war nix. Hier nochmal eine Variante die auch tatächlich
funktionieren sollte -
?php
$zip = new ZipArchive;
$datei = $zip-open($_GET[file]);
if ($datei === TRUE) {
$zip-extractTo($_GET[ziel]);
$zip-close();
echo ‘Juhu es klappt’;
} else {
echo ‘Auml;tsch! Pech gehabt’;
}
?
iexplore.exe http://www.expample.com?file=meineDatei.zipziel=meinOrdner;
meinOrdner sollte existieren und für den Webserver beschreibbar sein...
Gruß,
Stefan
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Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Server wieder entpacken
Am 05.07.2011 12:52, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 5. Juli 2011 12:41 schrieb Jan Tappenbecko...@tappenbeck.net: Am 05.07.2011 11:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: On 07/05/11 11:46, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Wenn ich Dich richtig verstehe, ist Dein Problem, dass Du kein Commandline-Auspacktool fuer Zip-Dateien auf Windows hast? Ich habe Windows Commandline Unzip in Google eingegeben und fand als ersten Treffer dies: http://stahlworks.com/dev/index.php?tool=zipunzip Ich würde sourceforge eher vertrauen: http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/zip.htm Die dinger sind alle das selbe, Infozips zip/unzip und unter linux co auch, halt auf das OS angepasst, die Kommandozeilenparameter sind auch die selben. hast Du mir dem Teil schon einaml das Bündeln von Dateien in verschachtelten Verzeichnissen realisiert bekommen ?? zip -h liefert eine kurze hilfe: zip -r -0 DasIstDas.zip verzeichnisName macht rekursiv (-r), ohne kompression (-0) Da das png sind (png verwendet den zip Algorithmus eh) lohnt sich nochmal komprimieren kaum (Bauch sagt 1-2%) bei jpg ist es ebenso, kaum gewinn. Geschmackssache ob es sich lohnt. sehr lange hilfe: google man zip such mal nach tar bzw. komprimiere dann mit bzip (tar.bz2). komprimieren spart man sich hier, s.o. die exe für windows: google: gnu tar windows sourceforge findest es als erstes komprimieren mit bz2 geht z.B. so: tar -cvjf archivname.tar.bz2 zusicherndedateibzwordnername Entpacken auf dem Server sollte so gehen: tar -xvjf dateiname.tar.bz2 Das ist rekursiv, d.h. die Ordnerstruktur wird beibehalten. ohne kompression lässt man das 'j' dann weg. Peter ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Carsten Schwede computerte...@gmx.de wrote: Geht technisch nicht, da die maximale Dateigröße auf FAT- Dateisystemen 4GB ist. Ich meinte natürlich 2GB. Sven -- Das Internet ist kein rechtsfreier Raum, das Internet ist aber auch kein bürgerrechtsfreier Raum. (Wolfgang Wieland Bündnis 90/Die Grünen) /me is giggls@ircnet, http://sven.gegg.us/ on the Web ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kinderwagenfreundliche Wanderwege finden
Am 04.07.2011 21:42, schrieb Thomas Güttler: Hallo, wir werden bald in Maria Alm am Steinernen Meer in Österreich Urlaub machen. Mein kleiner Sohn kann leider noch keine langen Strecken gehen, so dass wir den Kinderwagen mitnehmen werden. Wie kann man per OSM kinderwagentaugliche Wege finden? Eigenlich gar nicht. Das fängt schon damit an dass Kinderwagen nicht gleich Kinderwagen ist und Eltern nicht gleich Eltern sind. Manche verstehen darunter einen rollstuhlgerechten Weg auf dem auch noch die Oma den Opa schieben kann, mache sehen es als sportliche Herausforderung einen Weg zu wählen auf dem man sonst nur Montainbiker von der rollenden Zunft antrifft. Ich persönnlich verzichte lieber auf den Kinderwagen und nehme mein Kind auf den Rücken(gegebenenfalls mit Kraxe), da hat man deutlich weniger Einschränkungen bei der Wege-Wahl. Garry ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Und da wären wir wieder beim Thema Anwenderfreundlichkeit - Wenn wir wollen ,dass viele mit den OSM Karten auch ihren Spaß haben dürfen und nicht erst einen Programmierkurs brauchen, dann muss das Ding auf allen Betriebssystemen komfortabel laufen. Gruß UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 13:03 schrieb Henning Scholland: Letztlich musst du nur eine jar-Datei mit Parametern ausführen können. Das dürfte auch am Mac möglich sein. Henning ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Bei ebay werden fertige karten auf sd ab 1eur versteigert. Wem jegliche Doku lesen zuviel ist,der muss halt zahlen... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kinderwagenfreundliche Wanderwege finden
Thomas Güttler guet...@thomas-guettler.de writes: Mein kleiner Sohn kann leider noch keine langen Strecken gehen, so dass wir den Kinderwagen mitnehmen werden. Wie kann man per OSM kinderwagentaugliche Wege finden? Ich würde einen geländetauglichen wagen wie z.b. den monowalker erwerben und als kinderwagen umbauen. Ich glaube, so etwas gibt es etwas unedler von anderen anbietern bereits vorkonfiguriert. -- Karl Eichwalder ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kinderwagenfreundliche Wanderwege finden
Karl Eichwalder k...@gnu.franken.de writes: Ich würde einen geländetauglichen wagen wie z.b. den monowalker erwerben und als kinderwagen umbauen. Ich glaube, so etwas gibt es etwas unedler von anderen anbietern bereits vorkonfiguriert. Zufällig finde ich dazu gerade einen blogeintrag: http://monowalker.blogspot.com/2011/06/mit-kleinkind-auf-wandertour.html -- Karl Eichwalder ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Sorry, Wenn es Leute gibt die nicht begreifen worum es hier geht tut's mir leid ( oder auch: Wer lesen kann hat Vorteile...) UMAX974 Am 05.07.2011 um 19:05 schrieb dieterdre...@gmail.com: Bei ebay werden fertige karten auf sd ab 1eur versteigert. Wem jegliche Doku lesen zuviel ist,der muss halt zahlen... ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Der AIOTM (All-in-One-TileManager)
Hi, Am 05.07.2011 18:56, schrieb UMAX974: Und da wären wir wieder beim Thema Anwenderfreundlichkeit - Wenn wir wollen ,dass viele mit den OSM Karten auch ihren Spaß haben dürfen und nicht erst einen Programmierkurs brauchen, dann muss das Ding auf allen Betriebssystemen komfortabel laufen. Gruß UMAX974 Es wäre aber auch nicht tragisch 3 Pakete zu haben für jede Systemfamilie eines. Innerhalb der Familien sollte es eigentlich problemlos möglich sein je ein immer funktionierendes Paket zu schnüren. -- Viele Grüße Carsten ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Windows: kacheln zippen und dann auf dem Serverwieder entpacken
Am 05.07.2011 um 12:55 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: Am 5. Juli 2011 12:41 schrieb Jan Tappenbeck o...@tappenbeck.net: Am 05.07.2011 11:52, schrieb Frederik Ramm: Hi, On 07/05/11 11:46, Jan Tappenbeck wrote: Nun wende ich mich an Euch mit der Frage ob einer ein freies Packtool kennt das über Batch-Betrieb angesprochen werden kann und das dann auch mit einem entsprechenden Script entpackt werden kann - und das in dieser Konstellation auf funktioniert. Wenn ich Dich richtig verstehe, ist Dein Problem, dass Du kein Commandline-Auspacktool fuer Zip-Dateien auf Windows hast? Ich habe Windows Commandline Unzip in Google eingegeben und fand als ersten Treffer dies: http://stahlworks.com/dev/index.php?tool=zipunzip Hast Du das schon probiert? Bye Frederik hi ! ... umgekehrt - ich muss erst einmal auf windows7 packen und dann das richtige entpackscript auf dem zerver haben ! hast Du mir dem Teil schon einaml das Bündeln von Dateien in verschachtelten Verzeichnissen realisiert bekommen ?? such mal nach tar bzw. komprimiere dann mit bzip (tar.bz2). komprimieren mit bz2 geht z.B. so: tar -cvjf archivname.tar.bz2 zusicherndedateibzwordnername Entpacken auf dem Server sollte so gehen: tar -xvjf dateiname.tar.bz2 Das ist rekursiv, d.h. die Ordnerstruktur wird beibehalten. Gruß Martin 7-zip kann auch tar, und das tut es bei mir auch im Batchbetrieb. Bin nur grad im Urlaub, und kann deshalb die Command-line-options nicht raussuchen. Da es um fertige tiles geht ist die Komprimierung evtl. zu vernachlässigen. Wie man einen 11 Server zum auspacken bekommt, weiß ich aber auch nicht :-( Mit verschiedenen tar.exe, die so durchs Netz geistern, hatte ich schon einige Probleme. JJ ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] Kinderwagenfreundliche Wanderwege finden
Also da würde ich doch eher Kindertrage/Rucksack empfehlen. Mit dem Anhänger wird doch jede Treppe oder steiler Anstieg zur Qual. Und aus eigener Erfahrung weiss ich, dass quer durch den Wald und ähnlichen Unsinn mit dem Rucksack problemlos geht. Simon Am 05.07.2011 20:06, schrieb Karl Eichwalder: Karl Eichwalderk...@gnu.franken.de writes: Ich würde einen geländetauglichen wagen wie z.b. den monowalker erwerben und als kinderwagen umbauen. Ich glaube, so etwas gibt es etwas unedler von anderen anbietern bereits vorkonfiguriert. Zufällig finde ich dazu gerade einen blogeintrag: http://monowalker.blogspot.com/2011/06/mit-kleinkind-auf-wandertour.html ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] highway=axis
Hallo, Am Montag, 4. Juli 2011 02:35:53 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: Am 1. Juli 2011 06:26 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: Hallo, Am Freitag 01 Juli 2011 01:27:44 schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: vermutlich hast Du Dir die relation area nicht angesehen, Das ist eine Möglichkeit, die ich aber aus Gründen der Zweckmäßigkeit für ungünstig halte. Bei unserer Erfassungsqualität schwankt diese Area gewaltig in der Breite, während in der Realität der Mittelstreifen über (mindestens) viele Kilometer die gleiche Breite hat., was durch das width-Tag wesentlich besser erfasst wird. das width-tag willst Du wo genau anbringen? damit ließe sich die Breite des Bereiches zwischen den Fahrbahnen kennzeichnen (Mittelstreifen). Der Wert wird durch das Regelprofil festgelegt und ist auf langen Strecken einheitlich. Lineare Bauwerke wie Straßen oder Mittelsteifen lassen sich durch die real als Mittelleitplanke vorhandene Achse besser abbilden als durch eine Fläche. bei meinem Modell werden sie weder als Linie noch als Fläche gezeichnet, sondern über tags sowie die Lage zwischen 2 ways indirekt beschrieben. Das Problem dabei ist, dass hier ein relativ kurzes Maß über 2 relativ ungenau bestimmte Werte festgelegt werden soll, und das geht in der Regel schief. Unsere Lage der Fahrbahnen der Autobahnen schwankt gegenüber den Luftbildern ständig hin und her, abgesehen von der ungenauen Lage der Luftbilder selbst, die aus GPS-tracks abgeleitet wird, die selbst wiederum eine Unsicherheit von 2-3m im Mittel haben, zudem soll hier eine imaginäre Mittellinie gezeichnet werden, die es in der Realität gar nicht gibt. Meistens läuft die Linie auf dem Trennungsstreifen zwischen Haupt- und Überholfahrstreifen. Das ist aber weder bei 2 noch bei 3 Spuren die geometrische Mitte, vorausgesetzt, dass die Autobahn eine Standspur hat, die meines Wissens noch gar nicht getaggt wird. Hinzu kommt, dass OSM mit ausschließlich geraden Verbindungslinien arbeitet, die in den real gemappten Kurven der Praxis um bis zu 5m um die Mitte schwanken. Du willst also einen Wert, der zwischen 1 und 3 Meter beträgt, aus 2 Messungen ableiten, die im Einzelwert eine Unsicherheit von 3-5m haben, und das Ganze über eine Strecke von mehreren 100km. Mit einer so ermittelten Fläche liegst du um Lichtjahre schlechter als ein über den Daumen gepeiltes Ergbnis, alles andere wäre reines Glück. Deine Methode könnte funktionieren, wenn wir die Achsdaten (Kurvenbänder) der Autobahn hätten. Aber selbst dann wäre es durch die Brust ins Auge, denn der eigentliche geometrische Ort der Autobahn ist der Achspunkt. Alle anderen Werte werden davon abgeleitet. Nicht nur zur Bauzeit, sondern immer. Jede Kilometrierung bezieht sich auf die Autobahnachse. Und dieser Punkt befindet sich in der Regel unter der Leitplanke oder wenige cm daneben und ist damit relativ einfach und sicher zu mappen. Wie wolltest du denn beispielsweise Kilometertafeln an der Autobahn aufstellen, wenn jede Fahrspur für sich berechnet würde? Die Länge der Fahrbahnen ist je nach Kurvenanzahl und -Radius zwangsläufig nicht gleich. Die Autobahnachse ist kein theoretischer Wert und nicht nur zur Bauzeit, sondern ständig vorhanden und gültig. Alle Maßnahmen, die eine Autbahn betreffen, stützen sich immer und zu jeder Zeit auf diese Ache, von der Unfallmeldung über Hindernisbeseitigung und Pflege bis zur (Aus-) Bauausschreibung. Außerdem ist die Achse in der Realität besser zu erkennen als z.B. jede Gemeindegrenze, ganz zu schweigen von der Fahrbahnmitte. Gruß, Wolfgang ps.: Das mit der Brückenrelation habe ich mir noch einmal durchgesehen. Man könnte da einiges draus machen, auch wenn noch nicht alles zu Ende gedacht ist. Ich komme da wahrscheinlich demnächst mal mit einem Vorschlag. Den werde ich dann aber testweise sofort umsetzen, denn ich halte nicht so viel davon, Vorschläge für 3 Jahre im Wiki schlummern zu lassen. Lieber machen und in der Praxis verbessern, als theoretisch totdiskutieren. Kompatibel muss es natülich sein. d.o. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-de] highway=axis
Am 6. Juli 2011 00:15 schrieb Wolfgang wolfg...@ivkasogis.de: das width-tag willst Du wo genau anbringen? damit ließe sich die Breite des Bereiches zwischen den Fahrbahnen kennzeichnen (Mittelstreifen). Der Wert wird durch das Regelprofil festgelegt und ist auf langen Strecken einheitlich. einerseits sehe ich es gerade bei Autobahnen schwierig an, dort vor Ort genaue Maße zu erheben, und andererseits hast Du diese Breite automatisch, indem Du dem Abstand der highway-ways jeweils die halbe Breite abziehst. Der Sinn könnte darin bestehen, über einen weiteren Wert die Plausibilität der Straßen-tags und -lage zu schätzen, aber da kommt wieder Punkt 1 ins Spiel: die Mittelstreifenbreite kannst Du schwer messen. Unsere Lage der Fahrbahnen der Autobahnen schwankt gegenüber den Luftbildern ständig hin und her, abgesehen von der ungenauen Lage der Luftbilder selbst, die aus GPS-tracks abgeleitet wird, die selbst wiederum eine Unsicherheit von 2-3m im Mittel haben, die Luftbilder die wir haben, werden ziemlich sicher auch in Deutschland irgendwann besser werden, wenn die Ämter das irgendwann mal rausgeben. 2-3 Meter sind m.E. im Autobahnbereich schon sehr gut, wenn wir das überall hinbekämen wäre ich ziemlich zufrieden. zudem soll hier eine imaginäre Mittellinie gezeichnet werden, die es in der Realität gar nicht gibt. damit meinst Du den highway-way. Davon werden wir uns so schnell sicher nicht verabschieden, d.h. den braucht man auf jeden Fall. Das ist die Fahrbahnmitte, die ist zwar nicht markiert, aber geben tut es die natürlich auch in der Realität. Meistens läuft die Linie auf dem Trennungsstreifen zwischen Haupt- und Überholfahrstreifen. Das ist aber weder bei 2 noch bei 3 Spuren die geometrische Mitte, vorausgesetzt, dass die Autobahn eine Standspur hat, die meines Wissens noch gar nicht getaggt wird. Standspuren und Belag ausserhalb der Fahrbahn sorgen zugegebenermaßen für gewisse Unschärfen, aber dem wird sich beim Detailierungswunsch der Mapper sicher auch noch irgendwann jemand annehmen. Ob diese Straßenlinie jetzt in der Mitte des asphaltierten Bereichs (erkennbar in Luftbildern) oder in der der Fahrbahn läuft, spielt kaum eine Rolle, vor allem, solange kein Spurmodell verbreitet ist. Hinzu kommt, dass OSM mit ausschließlich geraden Verbindungslinien arbeitet, die in den real gemappten Kurven der Praxis um bis zu 5m um die Mitte schwanken. m.E. sollte man Kurven so fein es geht annähern, diese eckigen Kurven sehen in der Tat schlecht aus und sorgen auch geringfügig für Lageungenauigkeiten. Du willst also einen Wert, der zwischen 1 und 3 Meter beträgt, aus 2 Messungen ableiten, die im Einzelwert eine Unsicherheit von 3-5m haben, und das Ganze über eine Strecke von mehreren 100km. Mit einer so ermittelten Fläche liegst du um Lichtjahre schlechter als ein über den Daumen gepeiltes Ergbnis, alles andere wäre reines Glück. wieso aus 2 Messungen? Jeder Track ist eine Messung, auf Autobahnen hast Du meistens viele davon. Außerdem ist die Achse in der Realität besser zu erkennen als z.B. jede Gemeindegrenze, ganz zu schweigen von der Fahrbahnmitte. Die Fahrbahnmitte sehe ich bei 2 und 4 Spuren auf der gestrichelten Linie, bei 3 Spuren in der Mitte der mittleren Spur. Finde ich problemlos umzusetzen, während die Achse meistens schlechter zu erkennen ist, sowas hier ist natürlich nochmal ein Sonderfall: http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=dell=42.277158,14.018211spn=0.001046,0.002642t=kz=19 http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=42.011694,13.807771spn=0.002101,0.005284t=kz=18 die Spuren behalten normalerweise ihre Breite, die Mittelachse ändert Ihre Breite öfters mal, sieh mal was hier z.B. los ist (in der Gegend gibts noch mehr krasse Stellen): http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=dell=40.685438,14.761569spn=0.004288,0.010568t=kz=17 Gruß Martin PS: Meiner Meinung nach kann man mit der Relation mehr aussagen, besser rendern und routen und hat weniger Arbeit, aber mir ist es im Prinzip egal wenn Du gerne die Trennflächen als Linien erfassen willst, und man die Tags halbwegs verstehen kann, auch ohne Übersetzen ins Deutsche, dann kann und will ich Dich nicht davon abhalten. ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [Talk-it] [Wiki] pagina Potenziali fonti di dati
Il 04 luglio 2011 23:40, Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com ha scritto: Il 07 giugno 2011 21:20, groppo otto grop...@gmail.com ha scritto: Ciao, pochi giorni fa sebas88 ricordava che manca una pagina italiana con le potenziali fonti di dati per OSM; ho fatto una bozza [1]. Cosa ne pensate? mettila nella apposita pagina (se non esiste creane una ad hoc)poi qualcuno la metterà a posto Fatto. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Italy Ciao, Groppo ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
premesso che il dato con le coordinate geografiche delle citta' italiane e' gia' stato importato da ISTAT per via di gfoss.it, la domanda che pongo e' la seguente: dove andate a mettere il punto che indica il nome di un comune? - nella piazza principale - su una delle strade principali per raggiungerlo piu' vicino possibile a centro storico - sul municipio - nel centro del confine comunale scrivo questo perché ho scoperto che sovente molti spostano il punto secondo uno dei criteri espressi sopra. Dimenticavo la quinta alternativa dove da meno fastidio con il rendering di mapnik ... ma questa e' una ipotesi che spero non sia vera ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 01:21:56PM +0200, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: dove andate a mettere il punto che indica il nome di un comune? - nella piazza principale - su una delle strade principali per raggiungerlo piu' vicino possibile a centro storico - sul municipio - nel centro del confine comunale Per esperienza diretta dico che i dati Istat sono abbastanza approssimativi, spesso acquisiti in tempi remoti con precisione a soli 3 decimali e datum incerto. Quindi ben vengano le correzioni degli OpenStreetMapper. Secondo me deve valere un criterio soggettivo che è il baricentro sociale dell'abitato. Vale a dire la piazza principale, oppure il crocevia intorno al quale si è sviluppato. Chiedendo ai residenti del luogo di solito c'è sostanziale convergenza su qual'è il punto. Le coordinate della sede del Comune spesso coincidono, ma quando gli uffici sono stati decentralizzati allora il discorso non vale più. Non so se sul wiki questo concetto è stato descritto, se non fosse bisognerebbe farlo. -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy Tel. ufficio: 055-0118525 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
2011/7/5 Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org: Secondo me deve valere un criterio soggettivo che è il baricentro sociale dell'abitato. Vale a dire la piazza principale, oppure il crocevia intorno al quale si è sviluppato. Chiedendo ai residenti del luogo di solito c'è sostanziale convergenza su qual'è il punto. idem, anche io metto nel centro considerando centro il senso a naso del termine. il luogo considerato dalla cittadinanza come centrale per il paese. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
Il 05 luglio 2011 13:50, Simone Cortesi sim...@cortesi.com ha scritto: 2011/7/5 Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org: Secondo me deve valere un criterio soggettivo che è il baricentro sociale dell'abitato. Vale a dire la piazza principale, oppure il crocevia intorno al quale si è sviluppato. Chiedendo ai residenti del luogo di solito c'è sostanziale convergenza su qual'è il punto. idem, anche io metto nel centro considerando centro il senso a naso del termine. il luogo considerato dalla cittadinanza come centrale per il paese. +1 -- -S -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
Il giorno 05 luglio 2011 13:46, Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org ha scritto: Per esperienza diretta dico che i dati Istat sono abbastanza approssimativi, spesso acquisiti in tempi remoti con precisione a soli 3 decimali e datum incerto. quoto, pure io spesso modifico la posizione in base al fatto che è troppo decentrato. Se conosco la posizione del municipio, oppure della piazza centrale del paese, sposto il nodo là. Ciao /niubii/ ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
Per esperienza diretta dico che i dati Istat sono abbastanza approssimativi, spesso acquisiti in tempi remoti con precisione a soli 3 decimali e datum incerto. Quindi ben vengano le correzioni degli OpenStreetMapper. concordo Secondo me deve valere un criterio soggettivo che è il baricentro sociale dell'abitato. Vale a dire la piazza principale, oppure il crocevia intorno al quale si è sviluppato. Chiedendo ai residenti del luogo di solito c'è sostanziale convergenza su qual'è il punto. purtroppo e' la parola soggettivo che crea qualche edit war Niente di che, ma Trento ha cambiato coordinate 6 volte :) Ok! Se uno mette quelle coordinate nel suo GPS, comunque a Trento ci arriva ugualmente. Le coordinate della sede del Comune spesso coincidono, ma quando gli uffici sono stati decentralizzati allora il discorso non vale più. concordo. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] mappatore newbe
Sono un mappatore volenteroso nonche ciclo viaggiatore di passione. Consultando OSM ho constatato come il comune in cui risiedo sia scarsamente se non per nulla arricchito di POI e tratti ciclabili. La cosa mi pare curiosa, ho sempre tratto beneficio nei mie ciclo viaggi delle indicazioni di OSM nel suo fork per ciloviaggiatori, e allora mi sento in dovere di condividere quelle che sono le mie conoscenze del territorio in cui risiedo per quei ciclisti che transitano su di esso. Allora avrei necessità di consigli. Ho GPS e software che traccia i tragitti da cui ottengo un file GPX Ho visto che questi tracciati si possono caricare su OSM. Ho inteso che su questi tracciati posso modificare tracciando le piste ciclabili modificando OSM. Ho visto che i percorsi ciclabili appaiono in OpenCycleMap come tratteggiati. Come posso fare per ottenerli con questo rendering? E probabile che per i più il mio risulti essere un quesito ovvio, ma io non ho ancora trovato soluzione. Grazie per qualunque consiglio vogliate suggerirmi BeppeBike ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappatore newbe
Non ho capito di cosa hai bisogno, cmq questa è la pagina riguardante il tracciamento di percorsi ciclabili http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Bicicletta Per quanto riguarda i dati gpx li puoi caricare e trasformare in percorsi attraverso Josm http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/It%3AWikiStart Spero di essetri stato d'aiuto, ciao. - http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Orlandi_IT_EmiliaRomagna -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/mappatore-newbe-tp6549720p6549778.html Sent from the Italy General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappatore newbe
2011/7/5 Amici Giuseppe giuseppeam...@virgilio.it: Allora avrei necessità di consigli. Ho GPS e software che traccia i tragitti da cui ottengo un file GPX fondamentalmente i tracciati GPX servono da memoria del percorso compiuto nella tal escursione. possono essere caricati sul server osm e appaiono sovraimpressi quando fai editing su osm.org Ho visto che questi tracciati si possono caricare su OSM. yes! http://www.openstreetmap.org/trace/create Ho inteso che su questi tracciati posso modificare “tracciando le piste ciclabili” modificando OSM. devi modificare chiavi/valori dei tracciati che hai disegnato seguendo lo schema dei tag. Ho visto che i percorsi ciclabili appaiono in OpenCycleMap come tratteggiati. Come posso fare per ottenerli con questo rendering? il rendering di opencycle è uno dei tanti disponibili, tutti partono dallo stesso database, ma danno maggiore rilevanza a taluni o a talaltri aspetti delle caratteristiche presenti. -- -S ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
2011/7/5 Niccolo Rigacci o...@rigacci.org: Secondo me deve valere un criterio soggettivo che è il baricentro sociale dell'abitato. Vale a dire la piazza principale, oppure il crocevia intorno al quale si è sviluppato. +1 ciao, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Quale punto per le coordinate di un comune?
On Tue, Jul 05, 2011 at 02:52:16PM +0200, Maurizio Napolitano wrote: purtroppo e' la parola soggettivo che crea qualche edit war Niente di che, ma Trento ha cambiato coordinate 6 volte :) Che distanza tra l'uno e l'altro? Quali criteri hanno seguito? -- Niccolo Rigacci Firenze - Italy Tel. ufficio: 055-0118525 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappatore newbe
Il -10/01/-28163 20:59, Amici Giuseppe ha scritto: Sono un mappatore volenteroso nonche ciclo viaggiatore di passione. Benvenuto! Anche io ho iniziato mappando le piste ciclabili :) Consultando OSM ho constatato come il comune in cui risiedo sia scarsamente se non per nulla arricchito di POI e tratti ciclabili. Dicci il nome del comune. Devi mappare piste ciclabili cittadine o percorsi sterrati anche per MountainBike? La cosa mi pare curiosa, ho sempre tratto beneficio nei mie ciclo viaggi delle indicazioni di OSM nel suo fork per ciloviaggiatori, e allora mi sento in dovere di “condividere” quelle che sono le mie conoscenze del territorio in cui risiedo per quei ciclisti che transitano su di esso. Allora avrei necessità di consigli. Ho GPS e software che traccia i tragitti da cui ottengo un file GPX Ho visto che questi tracciati si possono caricare su OSM. Usa anche le foto aeree, se la tua zona è ben coperta, sono di grande aiuto. Se usi JOSM puoi provare Bing (alta definizione in molte zone) e PCN (più preciso) Ho inteso che su questi tracciati posso modificare “tracciando le piste ciclabili” modificando OSM. Se usi JOSM (consigliato) è molto semplice. Una volta disegnata la pista con il mouse, gli dai i tag appropriati che trovi nei Predefiniti di Josm per le piste ciclabili (dedicate, miste ciclo-pedonali, etc.). Poi lo uploadi sul database di osm. Ho visto che i percorsi ciclabili appaiono in OpenCycleMap come tratteggiati. Come posso fare per ottenerli con questo rendering? Se gli hai dato il tag appropriato (ad esempio highway=cycleway per una pista ciclabile dedicata) , verrà automaticamente renderizzata come tratteggiata su opencyclemap e come puntini blu su mapnik E’ probabile che per i più il mio risulti essere un quesito ovvio, ma io non ho ancora trovato soluzione. Grazie per qualunque consiglio vogliate suggerirmi Prego e buon divertimento! BeppeBike Giardia ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] mappatore newbe
Il 05 luglio 2011 15:22, Amici Giuseppe giuseppeam...@virgilio.it ha scritto: Sono un mappatore volenteroso nonche ciclo viaggiatore di passione. cerco anch'io di darti due info Consultando OSM ho constatato come il comune in cui risiedo sia scarsamente se non per nulla arricchito di POI e tratti ciclabili. bene...buon divertimento :-) Allora avrei necessità di consigli. Ho GPS e software che traccia i tragitti da cui ottengo un file GPX ok, questa è una delle cose fondamentali, secondo me. Ricordati di settare il GPS che salvi i punti del tracciato abbastanza spesso, da 1 a 5 secondi e massimo 10 metri. I GPX servono come base per creare (ricalcando) i dati sul database OSM (per maggiori info [0]) Ho visto che questi tracciati si possono caricare su OSM. si ma come detto sopra servono solo come sfondo Ho inteso che su questi tracciati posso modificare “tracciando le piste ciclabili” modificando OSM. giusto, devi creare la linea della pista Ho visto che i percorsi ciclabili appaiono in OpenCycleMap come tratteggiati. Come posso fare per ottenerli con questo rendering? devi utilizzare i tag (chiave - valore alfanumerici) che servono a spiegare [1] [2] [3] E’ probabile che per i più il mio risulti essere un quesito ovvio, ma io non ho ancora trovato soluzione. meglio chiedere che partire e fare dei casini ;-) Grazie per qualunque consiglio vogliate suggerirmi BeppeBike [0] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Beginners'_Guide [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Map_Features [2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Tag:highway%3Dcycleway [3] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IT:Key:cycleway -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Prova primo messaggio
E' solo un messasggio di prova, mi sono iscritto ora alla mailing list, se ho sbagliato qualcosa fatemi sapere, intanto vi porgo un saluto :) ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-co] Propuesta Beta
Buenos días a todos y espero tengan un buen inicio de semana, después del Campus Party de este año donde los conocí a fondo y aprendí mucho, tanto de ustedes como de toda la tecnología. Me parece bastante importante mirar el tema de Ataoli, con respecto para que cuadremos unas fechas de entrega, como diseñador de interfaz en el campus diseñe dos bocetos, claro que me di cuenta que toca hacerles arreglos. Estos bocetos en especial no son solo bocetos, es un diseño de interfaz donde el que lo vea tiene que tener en cuenta nuevos campos de programación, bastante fáciles ya que cuento con lo que ya esta, ademas de también ver y entender las divs, por otro lado aclaro que no pueden haber estilos dentro del php o html, todo sera controlado desde la hoja de estilos. Esto con respecto a mis tareas, seria diseñar todos los bocetos y no se ustedes que me digan si hago una plantilla html con un css para que los programadores lo adapten. No se hace cuanto tiempo esta en pedido esta plataforma, creo que esta muy demorado el tema de la entrega, propongo un plan de trabajo con diferentes tareas para hacer 3 Betas, no se que opinen ustedes ? Mis etapas como Desarrollador de interfaz serian: 1. Bocetos (1 semana) 2. diseño de plantilla (2 semana) 3. implementación de diseño gráfico (3 semana) 4. estándares en navegador y corrección w3c (4 semana) Puede que estos sean los tiempos o menos, la idea es cuadrarlos con ustedes, como todo esto es un trabajo y me gustaría que documentemos por la lista de correo las tareas de todos, antes de arrancar. La idea es que el código tenga siempre los estándares, por favor intentemos hacerlo perfecto desde ya y eso es tarea de cada uno en su área, yo por mi parte voy a trabajarlo de esta manera. En la parte del diseño gráfico cuando entre a esta etapa me gustaría contar con alguien. La pregunta es: cuando entregamos la 1 Beta ? creo que es la que ya esta pues arreglada. La 2 beta seria el diseño listo ? y las 3 beta seria las pruebas de usuario. No se que opinan ustedes, la idea es concretar esto. Un saludo @DiegoUG -- Diego Alonso Uribe Gamez Twitter: @DiegoUG http://www.twitter.com/DiegoUG Facebook: diego.uiribe.gamez http://www.facebook.com/diego.uiribe.gamez -- Esta comunicación es confidencial, destinado únicamente para el llamado destinatario (s) anterior y puede contener secretos comerciales u otra información que está exenta de divulgación según la legislación aplicable. Cualquier uso, difusión, distribución o copia de esta comunicación por cualquier persona que no sea el destinatario con nombre (s) está estrictamente prohibido. -- ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
[Talk-co] [OT] Re: Propuesta Beta
Hola Diego Esta comunicación es referente a ataoli y Rhok. Por favor no envies copia a la lista de talk-co, pues oficialmente no tiene que ver con le proceso de desarrollo. salu2 humano 2011/7/5 Diego Uribe Gamez diego.uribe.ga...@gmail.com: Buenos días a todos y espero tengan un buen inicio de semana, después del Campus Party de este año donde los conocí a fondo y aprendí mucho, tanto de ustedes como de toda la tecnología. Me parece bastante importante mirar el tema de Ataoli, con respecto para que cuadremos unas fechas de entrega, como diseñador de interfaz en el campus diseñe dos bocetos, claro que me di cuenta que toca hacerles arreglos. Estos bocetos en especial no son solo bocetos, es un diseño de interfaz donde el que lo vea tiene que tener en cuenta nuevos campos de programación, bastante fáciles ya que cuento con lo que ya esta, ademas de también ver y entender las divs, por otro lado aclaro que no pueden haber estilos dentro del php o html, todo sera controlado desde la hoja de estilos. Esto con respecto a mis tareas, seria diseñar todos los bocetos y no se ustedes que me digan si hago una plantilla html con un css para que los programadores lo adapten. No se hace cuanto tiempo esta en pedido esta plataforma, creo que esta muy demorado el tema de la entrega, propongo un plan de trabajo con diferentes tareas para hacer 3 Betas, no se que opinen ustedes ? Mis etapas como Desarrollador de interfaz serian: 1. Bocetos (1 semana) 2. diseño de plantilla (2 semana) 3. implementación de diseño gráfico (3 semana) 4. estándares en navegador y corrección w3c (4 semana) Puede que estos sean los tiempos o menos, la idea es cuadrarlos con ustedes, como todo esto es un trabajo y me gustaría que documentemos por la lista de correo las tareas de todos, antes de arrancar. La idea es que el código tenga siempre los estándares, por favor intentemos hacerlo perfecto desde ya y eso es tarea de cada uno en su área, yo por mi parte voy a trabajarlo de esta manera. En la parte del diseño gráfico cuando entre a esta etapa me gustaría contar con alguien. La pregunta es: cuando entregamos la 1 Beta ? creo que es la que ya esta pues arreglada. La 2 beta seria el diseño listo ? y las 3 beta seria las pruebas de usuario. No se que opinan ustedes, la idea es concretar esto. Un saludo @DiegoUG -- Diego Alonso Uribe Gamez Twitter: @DiegoUG Facebook: diego.uiribe.gamez Esta comunicación es confidencial, destinado únicamente para el llamado destinatario (s) anterior y puede contener secretos comerciales u otra información que está exenta de divulgación según la legislación aplicable. Cualquier uso, difusión, distribución o copia de esta comunicación por cualquier persona que no sea el destinatario con nombre (s) está estrictamente prohibido. ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list Talk-co@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co
Re: [Talk-co] [OT] Re: Propuesta Beta
Cual es la lista de correo de Ataoli o del rhok ?? Gracias. El 5 de julio de 2011 10:28, humano [via GIS] ml-node+6550235-1586816972-331...@n2.nabble.com escribió: Hola Diego Esta comunicación es referente a ataoli y Rhok. Por favor no envies copia a la lista de talk-co, pues oficialmente no tiene que ver con le proceso de desarrollo. salu2 humano 2011/7/5 Diego Uribe Gamez [hidden email]http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=6550235i=0: Buenos días a todos y espero tengan un buen inicio de semana, después del Campus Party de este año donde los conocí a fondo y aprendí mucho, tanto de ustedes como de toda la tecnología. Me parece bastante importante mirar el tema de Ataoli, con respecto para que cuadremos unas fechas de entrega, como diseñador de interfaz en el campus diseñe dos bocetos, claro que me di cuenta que toca hacerles arreglos. Estos bocetos en especial no son solo bocetos, es un diseño de interfaz donde el que lo vea tiene que tener en cuenta nuevos campos de programación, bastante fáciles ya que cuento con lo que ya esta, ademas de también ver y entender las divs, por otro lado aclaro que no pueden haber estilos dentro del php o html, todo sera controlado desde la hoja de estilos. Esto con respecto a mis tareas, seria diseñar todos los bocetos y no se ustedes que me digan si hago una plantilla html con un css para que los programadores lo adapten. No se hace cuanto tiempo esta en pedido esta plataforma, creo que esta muy demorado el tema de la entrega, propongo un plan de trabajo con diferentes tareas para hacer 3 Betas, no se que opinen ustedes ? Mis etapas como Desarrollador de interfaz serian: 1. Bocetos (1 semana) 2. diseño de plantilla (2 semana) 3. implementación de diseño gráfico (3 semana) 4. estándares en navegador y corrección w3c (4 semana) Puede que estos sean los tiempos o menos, la idea es cuadrarlos con ustedes, como todo esto es un trabajo y me gustaría que documentemos por la lista de correo las tareas de todos, antes de arrancar. La idea es que el código tenga siempre los estándares, por favor intentemos hacerlo perfecto desde ya y eso es tarea de cada uno en su área, yo por mi parte voy a trabajarlo de esta manera. En la parte del diseño gráfico cuando entre a esta etapa me gustaría contar con alguien. La pregunta es: cuando entregamos la 1 Beta ? creo que es la que ya esta pues arreglada. La 2 beta seria el diseño listo ? y las 3 beta seria las pruebas de usuario. No se que opinan ustedes, la idea es concretar esto. Un saludo @DiegoUG -- Diego Alonso Uribe Gamez Twitter: @DiegoUG Facebook: diego.uiribe.gamez Esta comunicación es confidencial, destinado únicamente para el llamado destinatario (s) anterior y puede contener secretos comerciales u otra información que está exenta de divulgación según la legislación aplicable. Cualquier uso, difusión, distribución o copia de esta comunicación por cualquier persona que no sea el destinatario con nombre (s) está estrictamente prohibido. ___ Talk-co mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=6550235i=1 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- Por favor, no me envíe documentos con extensiones .doc, .docx, .xls, .xlsx, .ppt, .pptx, .mdb, mdbx OpenOffice es libre: se puede copiar, modificar y redistribuir libremente. Gratis y totalmente legal. http://GaleNUx.com es el sistema de información para la salud --///-- Teléfono USA: (347) 688-4473 (Google voice) skype: llamarafredyrivera ___ Talk-co mailing list [hidden email] http://user/SendEmail.jtp?type=nodenode=6550235i=2 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-co -- If you reply to this email, your message will be added to the discussion below: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/Propuesta-Beta-tp6550156p6550235.html To start a new topic under Colombia, email ml-node+5860023-1191161677-331...@n2.nabble.com To unsubscribe from Colombia, click herehttp://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=unsubscribe_by_codenode=5860023code=ZGllZ28udXJpYmUuZ2FtZXpAZ21haWwuY29tfDU4NjAwMjN8LTk3NTgyMjUyMA==. -- Diego Alonso Uribe Gamez Twitter: @DiegoUG http://www.twitter.com/DiegoUG Facebook: diego.uiribe.gamez http://www.facebook.com/diego.uiribe.gamez -- Esta comunicación es confidencial, destinado únicamente para el llamado destinatario (s) anterior y puede contener secretos comerciales u otra información que está exenta de divulgación según la legislación aplicable. Cualquier uso, difusión, distribución o copia de esta comunicación por cualquier persona que no sea el
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet
Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening? Miked29 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet
You mean Harborne I hope Mike ;-) Cheers Andy -Original Message- From: Mike Duffy [mailto:mdbg02...@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 05 July 2011 11:10 PM To: talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Thursday meet Anyone going to Halesowen on Thursday evening? Miked29 ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands ___ Talk-gb-westmidlands mailing list Talk-gb-westmidlands@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb-westmidlands
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] contribuer a Geovelo
Le 04/07/2011 15:52, hamster a écrit : j'ai pas bien suivi si cette base de donnees interne est libre ou pas ? si elle est pas libre ca serait pas mal que des gens montent un geovelo bis qui soit completement libre Attention, le code du logiciel est non-libre également. Donc par delà les données, c'est également le code qui est à recréer Philippe ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] contribuer a Geovelo
2011/7/5 Philippe Pary phili...@cleo-carto.com Attention, le code du logiciel est non-libre également. Donc par delà les données, c'est également le code qui est à recréer C'est fort dommage également. Je ne comprend pas le choix de garder le logiciel sous licence privatrice. Quand au degré de sécurité ressentie, c'est quelque chose d’éminemment subjectif qui, il me semble, n'aurait rien à faire dans OSM. Que cette donnée ne soit pas libre également me semble bizarre. D'autant plus que géovélo n'est pas à l'origine un projet associatif? Depuis quand les associations agissent de la sorte? -- Je soutiens le Logiciel Libre, j'adhère à l'APRIL ! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] contribuer a Geovelo
tenshu wrote: C'est fort dommage également. Je ne comprend pas le choix de garder le logiciel sous licence privatrice. Quand au degré de sécurité ressentie, c'est quelque chose d’éminemment subjectif qui, il me semble, n'aurait rien à faire dans OSM. Que cette donnée ne soit pas libre également me semble bizarre. D'autant plus que géovélo n'est pas à l'origine un projet associatif? Depuis quand les associations agissent de la sorte? Il faut tout de même relativiser... N'oublions pas l'effort important qui a été effectué sur les données OSM par Géovélo en particulier sur la région parisienne. Ça fait tout de même plus d'un an qu'un collecteur Géovélo travaille sur Paris et contribue à OSM. Je pense qu'il y a peu d'entreprises en France qui ont fait de même. Concernant le degré de sécurité ressentie et la partie logiciel il faut bien comprendre qu'il y a une entreprise derrière le projet et surtout des employés qu'il faut bien payer... Comme je l'ai dis l'entreprise se cherche un peu encore, et comme le modèle économique n'est pas clairement défini, il faut du temps pour libérer les différents élements, cela se ferra étape par étape. Je sais que pour le degré de sécurité ressentie, la première étape est une visualisation pour tout le monde de ces données (sous la forme d'une couche sous openlayers par exemple). Pour la partie logiciel, le coeur du logiciel est le calculateur dont l'ensemble des algorithmes sont facilement accessibles : ils ont soit été publiés en conférence, soit dans ma thèse. Voilà pour les explications. -- View this message in context: http://gis.638310.n2.nabble.com/These-sur-Geovelo-tp6520870p6548867.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
