Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
I guess you mean: http://www.nearmap.com/

They are not using OpenStreetMap, apparently they're using the closed
version: StreetMap

Nice website though!

Greetings,
Floris Looijesteijn

Roman Neumüller wrote:
 I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap -
 am I wrong or shouldn't it mention OSM on the map itself?
 On nearmap I only see the attribution after clicking Terms of Use...

 Roman

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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Peteris Krisjanis
2010/8/4 Roman Neumüller r.neumul...@gmail.com:
 I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap -
 am I wrong or shouldn't it mention OSM on the map itself?
 On nearmap I only see the attribution after clicking Terms of Use...

And this is bad because...?

Is there any rules how you should attribute CC-BY-SA?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
It's credited in the same place as all the copyrights and credits are listed:
http://www.nearmap.com/legal/copyright
http://www.nearmap.com/legal/terms-of-use

You'll find it close to the section where we make it clear you can use
our photomaps to derive work under CC-BY-SA... for example, to
contribute to OSM :)

More seriously, though, this question has already been raised, and we
follow the guidelines at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F
and credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and with the same prominence
as you would any other map supplier.

Cheers
b

On 4 August 2010 15:26, Floris Looijesteijn o...@floris.nu wrote:
 I guess you mean: http://www.nearmap.com/

 They are not using OpenStreetMap, apparently they're using the closed
 version: StreetMap

 Nice website though!

 Greetings,
 Floris Looijesteijn

 Roman Neumüller wrote:
 I'm missing the attribution of OSM data on the maps of nearmap -
 am I wrong or shouldn't it mention OSM on the map itself?
 On nearmap I only see the attribution after clicking Terms of Use...

 Roman

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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Richard Fairhurst

Ben Last wrote:
 More seriously, though, this question has already been raised, and we
 follow the guidelines at
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F
 and credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and with the same 
 prominence as you would any other map supplier.

...which goes on to say: For a browsable electronic map (e.g. embedded in a
web page or mobile phone application), the credit should typically appear in
the corner of the map, as commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as
Google Maps.

At present the credit is one click away from this and the licence
information is two clicks away.

cheers
Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ben Last
should typically != must :)

But the key point is that we attribute OSM with the same prominence as
we do any other supplier.  You'll note that there is no copyright
message relating to the photomaps on the main page (for us, or any
supplier).

Cheers
b

On 4 August 2010 16:32, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net wrote:

 Ben Last wrote:
 More seriously, though, this question has already been raised, and we
 follow the guidelines at
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Legal_FAQ#I_would_like_to_use_OpenStreetMap_maps._How_should_I_credit_you.3F
 and credit OpenStreetMap in the same way and with the same
 prominence as you would any other map supplier.

 ...which goes on to say: For a browsable electronic map (e.g. embedded in a
 web page or mobile phone application), the credit should typically appear in
 the corner of the map, as commonly seen with map APIs/libraries such as
 Google Maps.

 At present the credit is one click away from this and the licence
 information is two clicks away.

 cheers
 Richard
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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 08:53, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote:
 should typically != must :)

 But the key point is that we attribute OSM with the same prominence as
 we do any other supplier.  You'll note that there is no copyright
 message relating to the photomaps on the main page (for us, or any
 supplier).

I find this attribution to be completely reasonable. The Legal FAQ is
just a FAQ, but the only thing that applies in the CC-BY-SA, which
just includes clauses like reasonable to the medium.

Map - Information - Copyrights and credits is no different than e.g.:

1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
2. File - 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cambridge-Openstreetmap-08-06-13.svg
3. Look at Permission.

Having a floating OpenLayers attribution element in the lower right
corner is one way to do it, but it's not the only way, and people that
don't pick that particular way aren't doing anything wrong as far as I
can tell.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Attribution of OSM on nearmap.om?

2010-08-04 Thread Floris Looijesteijn
I take back my earlier comments, apparently it is ok to have it behind a
link. Another website you might know also has it like this:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/

If you could also fix the StreetMap and OpenStreetMaps texts this website
will be a excellent addition to OSM.

Greetings,
Floris Looijesteijn

Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason wrote:
 On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 08:53, Ben Last ben.l...@nearmap.com wrote:
 should typically != must :)

 But the key point is that we attribute OSM with the same prominence as
 we do any other supplier.  You'll note that there is no copyright
 message relating to the photomaps on the main page (for us, or any
 supplier).

 I find this attribution to be completely reasonable. The Legal FAQ is
 just a FAQ, but the only thing that applies in the CC-BY-SA, which
 just includes clauses like reasonable to the medium.

 Map - Information - Copyrights and credits is no different than e.g.:

 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap
 2. File -
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cambridge-Openstreetmap-08-06-13.svg
 3. Look at Permission.

 Having a floating OpenLayers attribution element in the lower right
 corner is one way to do it, but it's not the only way, and people that
 don't pick that particular way aren't doing anything wrong as far as I
 can tell.

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