Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:59 PM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote: It is not clear to me what isn't free about MLS, but in any case openbmap has been around for quite a while. It's the fact you have to go through an API and tell Mozilla what you can see now, and they provide you a geocoordinate and DOP for that, as opposed to being able to download it yourself and be able to do that offline, locally. The main issue with -all- of these alternative location services is that they currently can't be seamlessly be integrated in to mobile OSs without the cooperation of the manufacturers which kinds of makes them redundant. It's pretty seamless in Android, assuming you're not locked in on the carrier's OS du jure. If you're on Android's official distribution, CyanogenMod or another customized Android distro, it's somewhat easy to install. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
Am 30.05.2015 um 02:16 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: I dont think this is legal by European standards ;) does it matter, if they do whatever they like? Germans spying on the european industry and governments and transferring it to the NSA, British illegal surveillance made legal by a new law the same time details came out, ... cheers Martin ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 3:09 PM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and don't want to be easily found. So, there's industry standard way to do this, add _nomap to your SSID. Or just don't broadcast SSID whatsoever. And BTW, you can possibly be already listed on WiGLE :-P As the saying goes, wadriving is not a crime. If you transmit anything into the public air, and people receive that just as intended (that is no packet sniffing). you can't legally do anything about it. _nomap is provided out of courtesy If it's public spectrum with no regulatory oversight, it's public. If that's a problem, don't use public spectrum, use a cable... ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 12:13:31AM +0200, Robert Kaiser wrote: Making your movements available publicly is a privacy invasion, no matter if it's legal or not. A lot of privacy invasions are legal (like the NSA recording all European Internet traffic when it enters the USA), but that doesn't make them good or right. I dont think this is legal by European standards ;) Flo -- Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de We need to self-defense - GnuPG/PGP enable your email today! signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and don't want to be easily found. So, there's industry standard way to do this, add _nomap to your SSID. Or just don't broadcast SSID whatsoever. And BTW, you can possibly be already listed on WiGLE :-P As the saying goes, wadriving is not a crime. If you transmit anything into the public air, and people receive that just as intended (that is no packet sniffing). you can't legally do anything about it. _nomap is provided out of courtesy. Michał ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
Michał Brzozowski schrieb: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 9:54 PM, Robert Kaiser ka...@kairo.at wrote: Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and don't want to be easily found. So, there's industry standard way to do this, add _nomap to your SSID. Or just don't broadcast SSID whatsoever. But I'm fine with those recording it that do not make it available for download by everyone. As the saying goes, wadriving is not a crime. If you transmit anything into the public air, and people receive that just as intended (that is no packet sniffing). you can't legally do anything about it. Making your movements available publicly is a privacy invasion, no matter if it's legal or not. A lot of privacy invasions are legal (like the NSA recording all European Internet traffic when it enters the USA), but that doesn't make them good or right. KaiRo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
It is not clear to me what isn't free about MLS, but in any case openbmap has been around for quite a while. The main issue with -all- of these alternative location services is that they currently can't be seamlessly be integrated in to mobile OSs without the cooperation of the manufacturers which kinds of makes them redundant. Simon Am 28.05.2015 um 11:21 schrieb Paul Johnson: OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/ It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. You can make use of it as a location provider in Android using the OpenBMap plugin https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=unifiednlpfdid=org.openbmap.unifiedNlp for microG unified NLP. And you can contribute data as well using the Radiobeacon app https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.openbmap. Seems to be in it's very early stages right now, but could be a real powerhouse with a little extra effort. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
Paul Johnson schrieb: OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/ It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. What's not free in Mozilla's service? Also, I really, really hope my access point will not get into any really open-to-everyone database because I don't want people to follow me around by database request when I'm moving somewhere and don't want to be easily found. KaiRo ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
This could be big. Remember that Mozilla Location Services does not provide Wi-Fi data download due to privacy concerns (Which is BS in my opinion). But with data downloads available, one can develop off-line location services that could very well complement one of our selling points, that is full off-line operation. I wonder whether it's very hard to hack into location services of Android to seed GPS location with this data for faster fix (assuming root is available). Michał On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: OpenBMap It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. You can make use of it as a location provider in Android using the OpenBMap plugin for microG unified NLP. And you can contribute data as well using the Radiobeacon app. Seems to be in it's very early stages right now, but could be a real powerhouse with a little extra effort. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
Hi paul, Can you detail a little more how this could be a real powerhouse please ? Is this just a use case for map renders or something with more OSM services interaction ? All the best François 2015-05-28 11:21 GMT+02:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: OpenBMap http://radiocells.org/ It's similar to Google's location services or Mozilla's location service, but free. You can make use of it as a location provider in Android using the OpenBMap plugin https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdfilter=unifiednlpfdid=org.openbmap.unifiedNlp for microG unified NLP. And you can contribute data as well using the Radiobeacon app https://f-droid.org/repository/browse/?fdid=org.openbmap. Seems to be in it's very early stages right now, but could be a real powerhouse with a little extra effort. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Neat use of OpenStreetMap
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Michał Brzozowski www.ha...@gmail.com wrote: This could be big. Remember that Mozilla Location Services does not provide Wi-Fi data download due to privacy concerns (Which is BS in my opinion). But with data downloads available, one can develop off-line location services that could very well complement one of our selling points, that is full off-line operation. I wonder whether it's very hard to hack into location services of Android to seed GPS location with this data for faster fix (assuming root is available). Not hard if you already have root. You will need the Xposed Framework, and then (if you have Google Play services) the MicroG NLP Framework for GAPPS devices from f-droid.org, otherwise the same for non-GAPPS devices also on f-droid.org, then the plugin I previously linked to. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
