[talk-ph] Atlas Trip Recorder
Just saw this after picking up a flyer in a hardware store http://www.atlas.com.ph/ Funnily enough the website doesn't ever mention GPS, as that might give the game away I guess. :-) However I did see in the testimonials section there are a few companies using the technology. I was wondering if they might turn out to be a repository of GPS data, that they might be persuaded to part with ... Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Hi Eugene, Usually, at WaypointsDotPH, we get the coordinates and photos from contributors who have been to the POIs. I was thinking, that if this will be a photo contest, then photographers of uncharted monuments might keep the location information while the contest is going on so others may not find the location and be competitive? Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. I visually zoom in and try to zero-in on the monument then I get the coordinates from GE. I then place the coordinates on the WaypointsDotPH database since I believe I have less restrictions in using GE coordinate data than OSM has with GE. If the map area can be seen on Bing (which is OSM-friendly), then I put the POI node on OSM. Visavis, I also extract some POI coordinates from OSM especially those that are already on OSM and I include them on WaypointsDotPH to complete the where it is and how to get there feature of the website. So, basically, as far as monuments and other provincial tourist destinations are concerned, one can say that the data at WaypointsDotPH is a superset. So, if we are after a complete and ordered list, it would help if people submit coordinates to WaypointsDotPH first (especially those that have been geotagged from Google Earth). btw, an example of such a list/map is the Colonial Churches: http://waypoints.ph/categmap.php?cat=OLC ed On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 11:49 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.comwrote: Hi guys, Wikimedia Philippines has launched the Wiki(pedia) Loves Monuments last March 24. WLM is a photo contest with the aim of creating a body of open and freely-licensed photos of cultural and heritage sites and monuments. WLM started in 2010 in the Netherlands, became a Europe-wide competition in 2011, and in 2012 is now an international competition with 28+ countries around the world participating. The WLM Philippines webpage is here: http://www.wikimedia.ph/wmph/index.php?title=Wiki_Loves_Monuments Anyway, the WLM Philippines project managers asked my help if it is possible to get the coordinates of each site or monument in the site list (which is basically the Philippine Registry of Cultural Property (PRECUP) Built Heritage list provided by the National Commission for Culture and the Arts) which contain 689 sites total. The list is here: http://www.wikimedia.ph/wmph/index.php?title=Wiki_Loves_Monuments/Entry_Sites As you can see, most of the sites only have the town or city as their location. Not all of them have complete addresses and not one of them has any attached coordinates. The additional mapping info would be beneficial so the photographers would know where to find these sites. Unfortunately, I'm sure that OSM does not have all of the information. I estimate that only around 1/3 of these sites are in OSM. I think WaypointsDotPH might fare better but I don't think all of the sites are on WaypointsDotPH too. Do any of you guys have any idea on what's the best way to get the addresses/coordinates of all 689 sites? If needed, Wikimedia Philippines is willing to buy a license from private GIS companies but of course an open/free solution would be best. Anyway, WLM aside, I think putting all of these sites in OSM would be a nice little project for OSMPH. Do people think it's a good idea to have a list somewhere where we can track whether all 689 sites are in OSM and with complete attributes already? Eugene ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Municipality and barangay boundaries in OSM ph?
Dear Snorre, The original provincial boundaries were based on Namria's 1:250K topographic maps this is very coarse and useful only to provide an overview of the province. At larger scales (or higher zoom levels in webmapping parlance), this is very inaccurate. There is also a free dataset of administrative boundaries (from region to barangay) available at philgis.org [0] which is also the same data from GADM [1]. Based on my personal/anecdotal discussions with several people, this data also came from NAMRIA. This is a very good dataset but we cannot import it in OSM due to the license issues at the same time, we also think that it is also inaccurate at the municipal and brgy level [2]. You are of course welcome to use this data in conjunction with OSM's dataset to compose your maps in any GIS software. The best way to get administrative boundaries is to request these data to the concerned local government unit (provincial and municipality). We can easily import them once explicit permission is secured. [0] http://philgis.org [1] http://www.gadm.org/ [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-May/003255.html PS. Glad to know western Mindanao is getting more OSM love. Keep on mapping! 2012/4/10 Snorre D. Øverbø sno...@overbo.no: Hi guys, I'm looking at the basic OSM map, and I see that it has (more og less complete?) administrative boundaries on province level. It looks like the dataprovider for the provincial boundaries are NAMRIA, The National Mapping and Resource Information Authority, (tag Source=NAMRIA topo) My interest is primarily Western Mindanao, and I as far as I can see, OSM lacks data on administrative boundaries below province level, e.g. municipaiity and barangay there. Maybe thats the case in for the rest of the Philippines too? It would have been really cool if we could add more administrative boundaries in OSM. Could it in some way be possible to have NAMRIA provide OSM with administrative boundary data? Do you have knowledge on their policy on distributing map data? National mapping authorities in many european countries have made such content free and reuseable for all.(open access) Best, Snorre D. Øverbø ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Municipality and barangay boundaries in OSM ph?
Dear Maning, Many thanks for your instructive and useful answer. I will contact the relevant provinces and municipalities/cities and see if I have any luck. Best, Snorre D. Øverbø tirsdag 10. april 2012 skrev maning sambale følgende: Dear Snorre, The original provincial boundaries were based on Namria's 1:250K topographic maps this is very coarse and useful only to provide an overview of the province. At larger scales (or higher zoom levels in webmapping parlance), this is very inaccurate. There is also a free dataset of administrative boundaries (from region to barangay) available at philgis.org [0] which is also the same data from GADM [1]. Based on my personal/anecdotal discussions with several people, this data also came from NAMRIA. This is a very good dataset but we cannot import it in OSM due to the license issues at the same time, we also think that it is also inaccurate at the municipal and brgy level [2]. You are of course welcome to use this data in conjunction with OSM's dataset to compose your maps in any GIS software. The best way to get administrative boundaries is to request these data to the concerned local government unit (provincial and municipality). We can easily import them once explicit permission is secured. [0] http://philgis.org [1] http://www.gadm.org/ [2] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ph/2011-May/003255.html PS. Glad to know western Mindanao is getting more OSM love. Keep on mapping! 2012/4/10 Snorre D. Øverbø sno...@overbo.no javascript:;: Hi guys, I'm looking at the basic OSM map, and I see that it has (more og less complete?) administrative boundaries on province level. It looks like the dataprovider for the provincial boundaries are NAMRIA, The National Mapping and Resource Information Authority, (tag Source=NAMRIA topo) My interest is primarily Western Mindanao, and I as far as I can see, OSM lacks data on administrative boundaries below province level, e.g. municipaiity and barangay there. Maybe thats the case in for the rest of the Philippines too? It would have been really cool if we could add more administrative boundaries in OSM. Could it in some way be possible to have NAMRIA provide OSM with administrative boundary data? Do you have knowledge on their policy on distributing map data? National mapping authorities in many european countries have made such content free and reuseable for all.(open access) Best, Snorre D. Øverbø ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org javascript:; http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
I added a few. Will add more later. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
Guys, My two centavos worth ... would it not be easier if we just place a special tag on such POIs on OSM (maybe NCCA=yes or some other tag) then harvest them all via OSMosis later? That way, it eliminates transcribing errors. :) ed On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I added a few. Will add more later. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
Re: [talk-ph] Wiki Loves Monuments needs some mapping help
I've tried editing just now and it looks like GoogleDoc approach is better, considering that any newbie can point-and-click on either OSM or Google Map, press permalink, then cut paste the lat long info into the GoogleDocs spreadsheet. The GoogleMap OSM links are auto-generated. Coolness :-) All can see the progress of the project immediately. We can fill-up the address information. Then maybe, we can reinsert the crowd-sourced address data gathered here back to OSM via the available map editors. By then, the unmapped POI's from the list can be hunted down on field by mappers using GPS; then put the 'source' as gps or mapper. We finish the project early... We should have done this a long time a go :-) On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 11:23 AM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Guys, My two centavos worth ... would it not be easier if we just place a special tag on such POIs on OSM (maybe NCCA=yes or some other tag) then harvest them all via OSMosis later? That way, it eliminates transcribing errors. :) ed On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 10:59 AM, maning sambale emmanuel.samb...@gmail.com wrote: I added a few. Will add more later. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:20 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: By the way, as a test, I've started adding some coordinates obtained from OSM. Check out some of the sites in Baguio and Ilocos Norte in the list. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 1:01 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: Hi guys, I have created a public spreadsheet for the WLM sites: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AtokxpcNebAxdGJSMFRqX3F5Q3pZd2JpTGxJYThlOGc It seems crowdsourcing this task is the way to go and using the usual geo-research methodologies (OSM, Google, Panoramio, Wikimapia, WaypointsDotPH, etc.) Eugene On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 8:15 PM, Ed Garcia eppgar...@gmail.com wrote: Nice! That's a very good tip. Thanks Jim On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Jim Morgan j...@datalude.com wrote: Ed Garcia wrote, On Tuesday, 10 April, 2012 02:37 PM: Anyway, I have been locating many of these sites lately by using combined panoramio, google earth, wikimapia. Latest ones are some POIs in Cagayan Valley. Most often, I see some of these monuments tagged in panoramio photos that are linked to GE. Google Maps (not Earth) has a feature where you can right click on any point on the map, and select What's Here?. That puts a large green arrow on the map. If you then click on the arrow it will pop up the co-ordinates (in decimal as well as degrees, minutes, seconds). Thought that was quite handy. And also, as you're placing the arrow yourself, then you're not stealing any info from the Google database, so I imagine you can use this information unrestricted. Jim -- datalude: information security e: j...@datalude.com Philippines: +63 2 403 1311 / mob: +63 917 849 3939 Hong Kong: +852 6489 4132 w: http://www.datalude.com/ ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- cheers, maning -- Freedom is still the most radical idea of all -N.Branden wiki: http://esambale.wikispaces.com/ blog: http://epsg4253.wordpress.com/ -- ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph -- website administrator: - www.waypoints.ph - reeflife.eppgarcia.com PADI Divemaster #491048 ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph ___ talk-ph mailing list talk-ph@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ph
