Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 1:54:34 PM, Nick wrote: Steve, I went looking for the RFC that pertains to allowable quote prefixes, and be darned if I can find it. I've run out of ideas of what to use as a keyword search criteria at: I do believe that there isn't such a beast. It might be part of the NKSOA, but IIRC quote prefixes are nothing more than a convention. -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Monday, February 07, 2000, 1:51:25 PM, John wrote: characters. For example, if you were using only two or three ^^ How often do you send yourself mail while noone else ever does? :) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 8:43:49 AM, Steve Lamb wrote: there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when the quote character is at the _beginning_ of a line? Uhm, that would cause you other problems. ;) Ok, let me re-phrase that then... I wish that TB would only recognise the quote character and treat it as such, _if_ there were no spaces preceding it. Additionally, the 20 character limit by itself is way too long: Very taxing on the eyes if someone is using a 20 character quote prefix. NA there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when the quote character NA is at the _beginning_ of a line? Such as the above not being highlighted. Nick there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when the quote character Nick is at the _beginning_ of a line? Nor the above even though TB! offers both as options in quoting. ;) Good examples Steve, and I agree, hence the withdrawal of my previous request. I can't see a problem though by having preceding spaces act as a null for the quote character... although I have a feeling you are going to come up with one. ;o) Most of the longer quote prefixes, including your examples, don't have spaces. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi Nick, On 08 February 2000 at 09:41:32 GMT -0800 (which was 17:41 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: NA Good examples Steve, and I agree, hence the withdrawal of my NA previous request. I can't see a problem though by having preceding NA spaces act as a null for the quote character... although I have a NA feeling you are going to come up with one. ;o) Most of the longer NA quote prefixes, including your examples, don't have spaces. Sorry, Nick, but I'm going to hit you with one of TB!'s less palatable quote prefix options: Nick Andriash there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when Nick Andriash the quote character is at the _beginning_ of a line? As you can see ... spaces within! I wouldn't mind seeing this prefix option gone, but, while it's there, your suggestion is a miss. This version is also the reason for looking for the '' in the first 20 characters. We're back to the relying on leading spaces again sigh :(. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 12:01:33 PM, Allie Martin wrote: No can do, once TB! continues to support full-name as a quote prefix. I don't seem to be getting too far with my wish! ;o) Oh well, thankfully, not too many use full-name quote prefixes. I like John's comparison of what some of the Japanese mailers allow: User specified limit to the number of characters before is recognised as a quote character. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 12:29:35 -0800, Nick Andriash wrote: I don't seem to be getting too far with my wish! ;o) Oh well, thankfully, not too many use full-name quote prefixes. I like John's comparison of what some of the Japanese mailers allow: User specified limit to the number of characters before is recognised as a quote character. I don't see the point of that especially if most of your time is spent receiving mail from potential users of TB! or other e-mail clients for that matter, which supports using names etc. as quoting prefixes. If you were to set your limit to three characters and I replied to this message using your first name, the color coding at your end would be messed up. :) -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Oxymoron: Bosnian Cease-Fire ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 12:01:33 PM, Allie wrote: Again, no can do. Most peoples full-name have spaces between the first and second names. That means that the quotations above using your name as is supported by TB! wouldn't show up as red. :) Not to mention some names have spaces in them anyway. Roger Van der Camp, for example. ;) -- Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your ICQ: 5107343 | main connection to the switchboard of souls. ---+- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 1:30:56 PM, Steve Lamb wrote: Again, no can do. Most peoples full-name have spaces between the first and second names. That means that the quotations above using your name as is supported by TB! wouldn't show up as red. :) Not to mention some names have spaces in them anyway. Roger Van der Camp, for example. ;) Steve, I went looking for the RFC that pertains to allowable quote prefixes, and be darned if I can find it. I've run out of ideas of what to use as a keyword search criteria at: http://www.cis.ohio-state.edu/hypertext/information/rfc.html I've obviously tried every word except the right word! ;o) Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi, all, Steve Lamb wrote... characters. For example, if you were using only two or three SL ^^ SL How often do you send yourself mail while noone else ever does? :) Good point. But -- in reality, 99% of the mail I get uses just for the quote delimiter, with mail on this list being the main exception. So for most users it does make sense to allow this feature to be adjusted. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 Windows NT 4 Build 1381 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tuesday, February 08, 2000, 12:47:18 PM, Allie Martin wrote: If you were to set your limit to three characters and I replied to this message using your first name, the color coding at your end would be messed up. :) Yes, I'll grant you that. :o) However, I remember seeing an RFC in reference to what are allowable quote prefixes, and I wanted to re-examine that document, but I've just had a look, and be darned if I can find it again. I suppose it boils down to personal preferences... I just don't like long quote pre-fixes, as I find them taxing on the eyes. Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi there! On 8 Feb 00, at 13:54, Nick Andriash wrote about "Re: Use of Quote Character in TB": Steve, I went looking for the RFC that pertains to allowable quote prefixes, and be darned if I can find it. I've run out of ideas of what to use as a keyword search criteria at: Nick, I'm afraid it's not in RFCs... It's rather a convention to use "" then a standard. But then, *I* personally would like to get rid of all other quoting prefixes here. When TB began to support Perl regexp syntax, I had an impression this would allow to auto-strip all non-conventional quoting prefixes from the incoming traffic (when replying), and even experimented a bit with this, but found out it cannot be done right now. TB regexps do not provide search for "all occurences";-( -- SY, Alex (St.Petersburg, Russia) http://mph.phys.spbu.ru/~akiselev --- Thought for the day: When working toward the solution of a problem, it always helps if you know the answer. Provided, of course, that you know there IS a problem. --- PGP public keys on keyservers: 0xA2194BF9 (RSA); 0x214135A2 (DH/DSS) fingerprints: F222 4AEF EC9F 5FA6 7515 910A 2429 9CB1 (RSA) A677 81C9 48CF 16D1 B589 9D33 E7D5 675F 2141 35A2 (DH/DSS) --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi Everyone, I've noticed that anytime someone uses the quote character "" in a line of normal text, TB turns that line into what it thinks is a quote. Is there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when the quote character is at the _beginning_ of a line? Nick -- --=N.J. (Nick) Andriash=-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x15A98AC2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID: 0x2924D361 --- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi Nick, Nick Andriash wrote: Hi Everyone, I've noticed that anytime someone uses the quote character "" in a line of normal text, TB turns that line into what it thinks is a quote. Is there some way we can tell TB to do that _only_ when the quote character is at the _beginning_ of a line? Someone posted an indepth explaination about a month ago, unfortunately I don't have access to my archives at the moment to find out exactly who or when, but the basic idea is that since TB supports the name This line should be highlighted as a quote. syntax, then if the line does not start with a space, and there is a somewhere in the first 20 or so characters (I'm not sure of that figure), then TB will treat it as a quote. Unfortunately it is a byproduct, and not a bug. I don't think there is anyway that TB could support the above mentioned syntax and not exhibit the behaviour you mentioned. So the workaround for outgoing e-mail is to always indent your paragraphs by a space or two. Unfortunately I don't think there is a viable workaround for incoming mail. name This line should not be highlighted as a quote. -- Thanks for writting, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Hi, all, Januk Aggarwal wrote... JA if the line does not start with a space, and there is a JA somewhere in the first 20 or so characters (I'm not sure of that figure), JA then TB will treat it as a quote. Some of the better Japanese mailers let you specify the number of characters. For example, if you were using only two or three initials as the quoted name, then you could specify four characters as the limit to regard a as a quote marker. -- Yours, John De Hoog, Tokyo http://dehoog.org The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 Windows NT 4 Build 1381 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Mon, 07 Feb 2000 13:43:00 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote: Someone posted an indepth explaination about a month ago, unfortunately I don't have access to my archives at the moment to find out exactly who or when, but the basic idea is that since TB supports the That was me. :) name This line should be highlighted as a quote. The effect above is another byproduct. Note where the quote prefix was placed in the line above. :) syntax, then if the line does not start with a space, and there is a somewhere in the first 20 or so characters (I'm not sure of that figure), Yes, 20 characters is right. then TB will treat it as a quote. Unfortunately it is a byproduct, and not a bug. I don't think there is anyway that TB could support the above mentioned syntax and not exhibit the behaviour you mentioned. So the workaround for outgoing e-mail is to always indent your paragraphs by a space or two. Unfortunately I don't think there is a viable workaround for incoming mail. name This line should not be highlighted as a quote. Unfortunately there's no practical workaround for received mail with lines that aren't indented and which contain '' within twenty characters of a new line. The quoting gets messed up and one manually has to correct this. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Amusement is the happiness of those who cannot think. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
On Tue, 8 Feb 2000 06:51:25 +0900, John De Hoog wrote: Some of the better Japanese mailers let you specify the number of characters. For example, if you were using only two or three initials as the quoted name, then you could specify four characters as the limit to regard a as a quote marker. I like that. I would prefer if this behaviour could be stopped completely especially if one is using just the plain '' as I am. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Machine language programmers do it very fast. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Use of Quote Character in TB
Someone posted an indepth explaination about a month ago, unfortunately I don't have access to my archives at the moment to find out exactly who or when, but the basic idea is that since TB supports the name This line should be highlighted as a quote. Nope, it isn't. syntax, then if the line does not start with a space, and there is a somewhere in the first 20 or so characters (I'm not sure of that figure), then TB will treat it as a quote. Unfortunately it is a byproduct, and not a bug. I don't think there is anyway that TB could support the above mentioned syntax and not exhibit the behaviour you mentioned. So the workaround for outgoing e-mail is to always indent your paragraphs by a space or two. Unfortunately I don't think there is a viable workaround for incoming mail. name This line should not be highlighted as a quote. And this one -is-. -- The surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that it has never tried to contact us. [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.phred.net/~phred -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
