Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
David, I know it's rare for someone mightily flooded with the Ruach ha Kadosh to be posting on this forum, but get used to it. This Daniel doesn't scare easily from the prowling lions, nor from the Babylon hierarchy of modern day churchianity. David said: It seems that you feel compelled to speak purposefully corruptible words. Daniel responds: There's that lack of the Holy Spirit discernment again. I speak according to the Spirit and Truth within me. Isaiah 8: To the TORAH and the testimony: if they (David Miller and company) speak not according to this word, it is because their is no light in them. And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. David said: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel responds: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. David said: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel responds: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, THEY took him unto THEM, and expounded unto him the way of Yah more perfectly. See that word, they, David?? It was not Priscilla -- it was THEY. Where the Hell is Judy's husband Preparing his eternal fate in hellfire, I assume? I don't see Judy and Mr. Taylor instructing anyone -- I see Judy Jezebel and a host of other jezebels expounding (lousily) on the Word with their husbands and/or fathers no where to be seen. Priscilla, submitted to her husband, dutifully stood with her husband as he taught the Word to Apollos. Priscilla may have prophecied or perhaps helped jog her husband's memory -- but SHE DID NOT TEACH -- or otherwise Paul would have placed her on his hellfire list. Paul never did -- thus we know Priscilla abided by I Timothy 2 -- UNLIKE judy and the other feminists on this forum. Often times I go out and preach to crowds of hundreds on campus. Annika attends these events, with our children and many onlookers will say, Daniel and Annika -- they -- came and preached at UCLA today. Does that mean Annika was teaching other men doctrinal matters NO, NO AND AGAIN NO. Again, David, your sins are multipled and growing. You must repent of: 1. Lying 2. hypocricy 3. mocking repentence which undermines honor of the Word among the Saints 4. and constantly midjudging my motives through your lack of discernment If pointing out sin in your life is flaming then just call me a flamer right along side Yochannon the Immerser (John the Baptist)! :) In YahShua and fighting for His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] To flame or not to flame
You said: And, earlier in that post he writes the words Judy Jezebel -- proving that he can actually rhyme and write at the same time. Daniel -- do you walk upright while slinging the club and dragging your woman back to the cave? Daniel responds: And have you not ever read Psalm chapter 1? Blessed is the man . . . WHO SITTETH NOT IN THE SEAT OF THE SCORNFUL. You enjoy making stupid, unfoudned statements of mockery to see who will laugh along with you? Never outgrew your school bully days? Typical of you pagan Christians. Typical. You said: Seems like Mary, the mother of a very adult Jesus, was deserving of full respect as she issued orders to her son in John 3. Or is it that women can give orders but not teach. And your wife goes for this? Give me a break. Daniel responds: YHVH will take care of your breaks soon enough. Unlike Spingola, I'll leave the fist throwing to Yah. He packs a much tougher punch than I do anyway. Miriam (Mary) did not teach anyone in John chapter 3. By the way, imbecile -- Miriam is not even mentioned once in John chapter 3. I think it was John chapter 2 you were referring -- but she doesn't teach anyone in that passage either. You said: I'll go find a hiding place, now Daniel responds: Revelation 6:16 will be a verse I pray you will taste in the near future. All married females should be barefoot, pregnant and in the kitchen -- as much as possible. If you'd like scriptural support of that statement -- I'd be happy to give it! :) In YahShua and defending His Eternal Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] History Repeating Itself
Greetings in the Matchless Name of YahShua, Perry!!! The problem is, Perry, your policy would strip any Yochannon the Immerser (John the Baptist) or YahShua ha Maschiach (Jesus the Messiah) or even Rabbi Shaul (Apostle Paul) of any power whatsoever. Could you imagine the Sandhedrian commanding YahShua to stop making demeaning remarks and to cease from flaming people during His discourse of Matthew 23? Could you picture Herod the Fox threatening Yochannon if he persisted in flaiming the Sadducees and Phraisees? Could you see Paul . . . Well, you get the picture. The ruling religous bodies of the day did not appreciate these men for their flaming and, at times, inflammatory remarks. This TruthTalk is a joke. You guys don't discuss Truth here -- you pat each other on the back and make sad the righteous while exalting the wicked. Sorry, Perry, I won't buckle to that. If flaming includes following the leading of the Ruach ha Kadosh (Holy Spirit) in pointing out sins in another professing believer, then I will be your number one policy breaker. You have two options -- join with your forefathers in banning me from this forum (the modern day stoning) or get some back bone, a good dose of the Ruach, and for once let the prophets speak what the modern day Pharisees need to hear! In YahShua and by His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
[TruthTalk] Spingola = Jewish Zealot vs Ruben = The Roman Pagan
www.TorahandSpirit.com Spingola = Jewish Zealot vs Ruben = The Roman Pagan Posted by Daniel John Lee on April 28, 2004 at 02:37:36: Amazing how history repeats itself. 2000 years ago in the 1st century, Jewish zealots attempted to lead massive revolts against the very pagan Roman Empire. The result? The revolts would, at times, cause Rome to lick its wounds -- but ultimately the result was always the same -- Rome would crush the ill advised revolt with one smash of its collective fist. Spingola is akin to those 1st century Jewish Zealots, is he not? After all, those idiotic revolting Hebrews wanted to cast off the enslaving arm of pagan Rome and restore Yisrael to its former glory through the strength of their flesh. Spingola wants abortion doctors shot, abortion mills bombed, and wicked preachers punched so that he and his ilk can restore their version of Yisrael with his arm of flesh. Ruben, however, has the strength of the American Justice System behind him, not to mention the clout of Jed's apostate ministry -- and of course Chavez specializes in preaching glib one liners that vaguely resemble bits of the Bible -- but certainly more resemble the paganism of Christianity. So, with this latest incident of Spingola smacking Ruben -- we have a Jewish Zealot leading his tiny little revolt against the pagan, Roman christian empire as typified by Ruben. Doesn't take prophecy to understand that the next move will be Rome crushing the zealot -- and I fully expect Spingola to pay for his stupid act. Still, YHVH used the zealots to annoy and pester a wicked Roman empire and YHVH used that empire to judge the wicked jewish zealots. I see the same double edged sword of judgement falling on Ruben and Spingola right now -- as their lives began to smash to bits . . . In YahShua and by His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] Robert Farrar Capon
"Let me tell you how God redeemed the world. On the eve of the Big Bang, over single-malt scotch and cigars, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were making a final run-through of their plans for the event. The Son was enthusiastic. "I think we've nailed it," he said to the Father. "I'm going to speak everything into being as your Word, and the Spirit here is going to breathe life into it. Then the two of us toss it back to you, and the cosmic party dances itself right into your Trinitarian lap. Elegant! "I have a problem though," the Spirit says." I'm the one responsible for the PR in all this, especially when it comes to the fail-safe gambit of Incarnation we've planned to cover both creation and redemption. The Son really does make the world, right? But with the human race locked into time and space, it's going to look as if we haven't seriously tried to redeem the mess they've made until Jesus shows up late in history. The fact that we've had the Son in there tidying things up from the beginning is the last thing they'll think of. How do I convince them the Incarnation isn't just an afterthought? "Easy," says the Father."Sure, it will look as if the Incarnation of my word is simply a response to sin.But since all three of us will have been intimately present to everything from square one, all you have to do is give them images that show both creation and redemption going on full force from the start. From before the beginning, in fact, since we're talking about it right now. What's the problem with that? "The problem,"the Spirit explains, "is precisely with the images. However many mysterious, right-brain images of the Word's age-long presence I give them, they're going to dream up transactional, left-brain ones and view him as something you inserted late in the day. Think of the damage they can do to your reputation as the Father who creates or even to the Son's, as the one who reddeems if they decide to think of you as the coach in a football game and the Son as the quarterback. Since you're not going to reveal the Word'sincarnation until some two-thirds of history has gone by, how do I stop them from thinking you kept him in the locker room until the fourth quarter? We three may know he's been in there right from the first possession, but no one else will. Even your biggest fans are going to be hard put to sell that as brilliant management." If you're intrigued I'll post the conclusion to this quotation. If you're insulted just say that you've had enough. Blessings, Lance
Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Daniel Lee wrote: And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. = Sorry Daniel, but I just talked to Yah this morning, and He says you are full of yourself, not the spirit. Might you need to repent of your lies and hatred and stupidity? God is not glorified by your attitude and does not hold you in higher esteem because you know a few words of Hebrew. You are hurting the cause of Christ. Terry -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and you will be unsubscribed. If you have a friend who wants to join, tell him to send an e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and he will be subscribed.
Re: [TruthTalk] To flame or not to flame
In a message dated 4/27/2004 11:58:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You said: And, earlier in that post he writes the words "Judy Jezebel" -- proving that he can actually rhyme and write at the same time. Daniel -- do you walk upright while slinging the club and dragging your woman back to the cave? Daniel responds: And have you not ever read Psalm chapter 1? "Blessed is the man . . . WHO SITTETH NOT IN THE SEAT OF THE SCORNFUL." You are a hoot. Great scripture. I am startled that it is actually in your Bible. You enjoy making stupid, unfoudned [actually spelled "unfounded"] statements of mockery to see who will "laugh" along with you? Never outgrew your school "bully" days? Typical of you pagan Christians. I do such for my own benefit. And you are right -- a bit of humor in the midst of such rantings is a good thing. You said: Seems like Mary, the mother of a very adult Jesus, was deserving of full respect as she issued orders to her son in John 3. Or is it that women can give orders but not teach. And your wife goes for this? Give me a break. Daniel responds: YHVH will take care of your breaks soon enough. Unlike Spingola, I'll leave the fist throwing to Yah. He packs a much tougher punch than I do anyway. Miriam (Mary) did not teach anyone in John chapter 3. By the way, imbecile -- Miriam is not even mentioned once in John chapter 3. I think it was John chapter 2 you were referring -- but she doesn't teach anyone in that passage either. Chapter two it is. And my point remains unanswered - women can give orders just as long as they offer no new information (?) And what about foot washing and the cultural impact of water baptism? Did your mother teach you or is this some kind of biblical injunction put into force after you left home? In His Grace John Smithson
RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Galatians 5: 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Daniel Lee Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 12:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers David, I know it's rare for someone mightily flooded with the Ruach ha Kadosh to be posting on this forum, but get used to it. This Daniel doesn't scare easily from the prowling lions, nor from the Babylon hierarchy of modern day churchianity. David said: It seems that you feel compelled to speak purposefully corruptible words. Daniel responds: There's that lack of the Holy Spirit discernment again. I speak according to the Spirit and Truth within me. Isaiah 8: To the TORAH and the testimony: if they (David Miller and company) speak not according to this word, it is because their is no light in them. And if the light within you, David, be darkness -- how great is your darkness!!! David said: Can you please try to discuss this subject in a Godly and humble fashion, abiding by the one rule that we have on TruthTalk? I really would like to continue our discussion. Daniel responds: Your insincere repentence suggests otherwise. But since you neither know the scriptural meaning of godly or humble, I more than suggest that you need to get on your face before Yah before conversing with me. David said: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel responds: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. David said: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel responds: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, THEY took him unto THEM, and expounded unto him the way of Yah more perfectly. See that word, they, David?? It was not Priscilla -- it was THEY. Where the Hell is Judy's husband Preparing his eternal fate in hellfire, I assume? I don't see Judy and Mr. Taylor instructing anyone -- I see Judy Jezebel and a host of other jezebels expounding (lousily) on the Word with their husbands and/or fathers no where to be seen. Priscilla, submitted to her husband, dutifully stood with her husband as he taught the Word to Apollos. Priscilla may have prophecied or perhaps helped jog her husband's memory -- but SHE DID NOT TEACH -- or otherwise Paul would have placed her on his hellfire list. Paul never did -- thus we know Priscilla abided by I Timothy 2 -- UNLIKE judy and the other feminists on this forum. Often times I go out and preach to crowds of hundreds on campus. Annika attends these events, with our children and many onlookers will say, Daniel and Annika -- they -- came and preached at UCLA today. Does that mean Annika was teaching other men doctrinal matters NO, NO AND AGAIN NO. Again, David, your sins are multipled and growing. You must repent of: 1. Lying 2. hypocricy 3. mocking repentence which undermines honor of the Word among the Saints 4. and constantly midjudging my motives through your lack of discernment If pointing out sin in your life is flaming then just call me a flamer right along side Yochannon the Immerser (John the Baptist)! :) In YahShua and fighting for His Torah, Daniel John Lee _ TheFreeSite.com: Home of the Web's best freebies. http://www.thefreesite.com -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not
Re: [TruthTalk] Robert Farrar Capon
Cigars and scotch? Hopefully no one gets drunk. But -- preach on. Brother John In a message dated 4/28/2004 3:09:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Let me tell you how God redeemed the world. On the eve of the Big Bang, over single-malt scotch and cigars, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit were making a final run-through of their plans for the event. The Son was enthusiastic. "I think we've nailed it," he said to the Father. "I'm going to speak everything into being as your Word, and the Spirit here is going to breathe life into it. Then the two of us toss it back to you, and the cosmic party dances itself right into your Trinitarian lap. Elegant! "I have a problem though," the Spirit says." I'm the one responsible for the PR in all this, especially when it comes to the fail-safe gambit of Incarnation we've planned to cover both creation and redemption. The Son really does make the world, right? But with the human race locked into time and space, it's going to look as if we haven't seriously tried to redeem the mess they've made until Jesus shows up late in history. The fact that we've had the Son in there tidying things up from the beginning is the last thing they'll think of. How do I convince them the Incarnation isn't just an afterthought? "Easy," says the Father."Sure, it will look as if the Incarnation of my word is simply a response to sin.But since all three of us will have been intimately present to everything from square one, all you have to do is give them images that show both creation and redemption going on full force from the start. From before the beginning, in fact, since we're talking about it right now. What's the problem with that? "The problem,"the Spirit explains, "is precisely with the images. However many mysterious, right-brain images of the Word's age-long presence I give them, they're going to dream up transactional, left-brain ones and view him as something you inserted late in the day. Think of the damage they can do to your reputation as the Father who creates or even to the Son's, as the one who reddeems if they decide to think of you as the coach in a football game and the Son as the quarterback. Since you're not going to reveal the Word's incarnation until some two-thirds of history has gone by, how do I stop them from thinking you kept him in the locker room until the fourth quarter? We three may know he's been in there right from the first possession, but no one else will. Even your biggest fans are going to be hard put to sell that as brilliant management." If you're intrigued I'll post the conclusion to this quotation. If you're insulted just say that you've had enough. Blessings, Lance
Re: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
Enough said (to me). Time for "delete." Thanks Izzy. Grandpa John In a message dated 4/28/2004 6:39:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Galatians 5: 15 But if you bite and devour one another, take care that you are not consumed by one another. 19 Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: . enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, . those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law. 24 Now those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live by the Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. 26 Let us not become boastful, challenging one another, envying one another.
RE: [TruthTalk] Female Teachers
David wrote: You say that teaching is teaching is teaching, but I'm not sure what you mean by that. Please define for me the word teaching. If a group of women were to instruct men of God about the resurrection of Christ and instruct them on where they should travel and hold meetings, would that be considered teaching by you, teaching that would be forbidden by Jesus? Daniel wrote: Yes that would be teaching and yes, females would not be allowed to do such a thing per I Timothy 2. Isn't this exactly what both the angels of God and Jesus himself instructed women to do in passages like Mat. 28? Clearly in this place, Jesus was NOT telling the women to be silent, but rather to go speak to men about his resurrection, and to instruct them about where to go and meet together, awaiting to see Christ themselves. And go quickly, and TELL his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you. And they departed quickly from the sepulchre with fear and great joy; and did run to bring his disciples word. And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Then said Jesus unto them, Be not afraid: go tell my brethren that they go into Galilee, and there shall they see me. (Matthew 28:7-10 KJV) Please notice that the word translated tell in this passage is epo. It is not lego, laleo, phemi, or any of several other words that could have been used. Unlike the other words that could have been used, this word epo has a little stronger connotation and sometimes is used of commanding, instructing, and teaching. For example, consider the following passages where the word is used and translated as command, commanded, bid, and bade: And Jesus stood still, and COMMANDED him to be called. And they call the blind man, saying unto him, Be of good comfort, rise; he calleth thee. (Mark 10:49 KJV) For God, who COMMANDED the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Corinthians 4:6 KJV) And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we COMMAND fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. (Luke 9:54-55 KJV) Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they BID you observe, that observe and do ... (Matthew 23:2-3 KJV) But Martha was cumbered about much serving, and came to him, and said, Lord, dost thou not care that my sister hath left me to serve alone? BID her therefore that she help me. (Luke 10:40 KJV) And the Spirit BADE me go with them, nothing doubting. Moreover these six brethren accompanied me, and we entered into the man's house: (Acts 11:12 KJV) The chief captain commanded him to be brought into the castle, and BADE that he should be examined by scourging; that he might know wherefore they cried so against him. (Acts 22:24 KJV) James uses this word epo in relaying how the commandments were delivered: For he that SAID (epo), Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. (James 2:11 KJV) I hope by reviewing these passages you will get a better understanding of the connotation of this word. The point is that Jesus and angels instructed women to go and instruct men about his resurrection and about where they should go and wait for him to appear unto them. Notice the following passage: Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them. (Matthew 28:16 KJV) How did Jesus appoint them this place? Through the women, as mentioned in Mat. 28 above. Notice also that the apostles did not seem to listen too well to the women. Was their attitude toward women like some men today? And she went and told them that had been with him, as they mourned and wept. And they, when they had heard that he was alive, and had been seen of her, believed not. (Mark 16:10-11 KJV) And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. (Luke 24:11 KJV) Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen. (Mark 16:14 KJV) David Miller wrote: Also, have you considered that Priscilla expounded the Word of God more perfectly to Apollos? Apollos was a mighty man in Scriptures, and greatly used in the establishment of the Corinthian church. Do you consider what Priscilla did a wicked thing? Do you consider Priscilla also to be a Jezebel? Did Priscilla suffer the judgment of hell fire for teaching Apollos, in your opinion? Daniel wrote: Do you ever read the WHOLE of scripture, David? MY GOODNESS! . . . whom when Aquila and Priscilla had
[TruthTalk] Courtesy of Ancient_Discoveries
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Re: [TruthTalk] Re:Salvation for all
Hi John, I'm working on a response to your baptism, repentance, etc. questions -- only so many fingers here, if you know what I mean. John, the ultimate judgment is not ours to make on questions of who will and who will not finally be saved. Weknow certain things in regards to who is saved; weknow certain things about who will not be saved; and weknow there is a gray area in between, about which we can only speculate.* According to Paul in Romans 1, we may know that "the Gospel is the power of God unto salvation for everyone who believes ..." It is God himself who secures salvation for believers!** The Gospel is the Good News of Jesus Christ: who he is and what he has accomplished on our behalf and in our place. In this respect the gospel is Jesus Christ, because it is the power of God -- here referring tothe ministry of the Holy Spirit.*** Think of it in this light, John. "In [Christ] you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the Good News of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory" (Eph 1.13-14). It is the power of the Holy Spirit which secures our salvation. What is more powerful than that? We can know for sure that those who place their faith in Jesus Christ shall be saved; therefore we preach the Good News to everyone, that they might hear and know that there is eternal life in Christ. We may not know where exactly the lines are between ignorance and rejection. But we can know there is assurance of salvationthrough faith in Jesus Christ. And so we preach the Good News of their salvation to all people, in hopes that by all means no people will finally refuse this wonderful Savior. I am not surewhat you are referring to in mentioning Isaiah 58.9-11. I do know this: it isa prophetic word to the Israelites, of whom only One remained faithful -- Jesus Christ! In him are all Israelites and all others(?): the one for the many.The veil between God and man was torn in two in Christ Jesus. The walls between Jews and Gentiles, and women and men, weredestroyed inthis man. We may all confidently approach God in Jesus Christ. This is Good News! And so we preach the Gospel, knowing that when we do, it will draw some to trust in Jesus. Others, when they hear the Gospel,will be hardened. But this is not because God is not drawing them, calling them, desiring them to repent. It is Good News after all. In other words, and please don't miss this,the hardening from God is a merciful hardening. He wants people to repent! He wants them to hear the Good News about Jesus Christ and believe! He will continue to confront people with the word of truth, the gospel of their salvation. He will do this until they take their last breath. If in the end, the Gospel of Jesus Christ has produced a hardening, then we may say that God hardened them. But we had better be mindful of how he did it. This we may know: there is no good reason for not believing in Jesus Christ; yet for no good reason some will refuse to believe. The only way humans can perhaps change the destiny provided them in Christs finished and perfected work is to finally refuse the reconciliation accomplished in him on their behalf. This grounds reprobation not in Gods will but in their own. While it is day, let us preach Good News. Bill * I hope you have read my posts concerning children: we may know that children who die before coming to faith are safe in the arms of Jesus; this because they have not rejected him, which speaksto the only group of people whom we may be sure will not be forgiven, those who blatantly reject Jesus Christ -- false prophets, certain Pharisees, anti-christs, deceivers, wolves in sheep's clothing, i.e., self-righteous-know-it-all religious types, those to whom Christ will say: "Away from me, I never knew you" (until a person,even one of these,takes his or herlast breath, there is still time to repent. Nevertheless, John seems to indicate that at some point a person can become so hardened that he will not. See cf. 1 Joh 5 -- "I do not ask that [you] pray for [the one who commits the sin which leads to death]") ** This truly is Good News -- Christians do not have to worry about losing their salvation! *** Don't shoot! don't shoot! The Holy Spirit is the power of God,but not only the power of God. I say this in consideration of Kevin, who once pointed this out. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 7:51 AM Subject: [TruthTalk] Re:Salvation for all BillTI actually think your point about the universal appliation of the cross is right -- but how do we regard such things as "evangelistic ministry" -- preaching to the "lost?" And, Isa. 58:9-11 is a favorite passage. It suggests that finding God is
