date:20040926

In a message dated 9/25/2004 3:29:28 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 

Personally, I believe is it unconscionable for any follower of Christ in America to NOT vote for President Bushs re-election. The only alternative, not a third party candidate, but Kerry.



This actually kind of bothers me a little. I will not vote for Kerry for a number of reasons. But my vote -- ok, it is for Bush --- is a secular consideration. I certainly do not believe that the Republican Party is God's party. I actually do not consider Kerry to be "evil." But what are his core values? No one really knows. And with 40 days remaining to election, he has no intentions of letting us know what those values are. So, he does not get my vote. Abortion? No biggie -- yes, I said "no biggie." If the churched would get off its collective butt, abortions would be a tenth of what they are today. We, the churched, want an end to abortion on demand but we do not want to care for the 1.3 million newborns as a result. Its the old "be thou warmed and filled" mentality. 

John (this is why I am not a pastor any more) Smithson

Re: [TruthTalk] Judgment?

In a message dated 9/25/2004 6:24:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


 15 "Beware of th[ose who].. (12) inwardly are (13) ravenous wolves. 

16 "You will (14) know them by their [works]:
 ||
 22 "(19) Many will say to Me on (20) that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not .. in Your name [perform] many miracles?' 

23 "I will declare to them, 'I never knew you;..'


An absolutely wonder proof-text answer. I believe in the truth of this scripture. But this does not address my concerns listed below. Not even close and I can think of several scriptures that do. 

John






(From a pervious post)  
And then we have those who do not and will never "know better."   They are those stunted by unenlightened teaching, superstitions, genuine deftness (for whatever reason) to the gospel message (i.e. the pagan Gentile in Romans, chapter two   and the Buddhist in some unnamed  island off the coast of India) , diet deficiencies,  genetics related stupidity, cultural confusion (i.e. the American Indian and the Crenshaw Ave gang member), emotional instabilities and the very poor living examples of those who do claim the name of our Lord  (the adulterous Teacher, the perverted youth counselor,  the thief in sheep's clothing, the Christen couch potato who knows better).  

John

Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm

In a message dated 9/25/2004 6:55:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a mandatory evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured homes. This has been an interesting six weeks with four storms.


I don't understand why Michael doesn't simply pray these storms into Russia. If we have power over the weather, why not that? 

Serious as a heart attack, 

brother John

Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat

2004-09-26 Thread Dave Hansen





DAVEH: Hm againWould you consider Jesus to have been cultish,
if that is the right term? Or perhaps a better question, would he have
been considered to have been the founder (or focal point) of a cult?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/25/2004 12:54:01
AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  

DAVEH: Hm.Can Jesus be classified as either a liberal or
conservative?

  
  
  
By political definition, Jesus was a liberal (I hate to admit this).
And most "conservatives"n our day would have defended the status quo of
the 1st century.
  
John

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Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat

In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:14:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


DAVEH: Hm againWould you consider Jesus to have been cultish, if that is the right term? Or perhaps a better question, would he have been considered to have been the founder (or focal point) of a cult?


Not at all. His gospel, given full revelation in the writings of Paul and others, simply mirrors the "hidden: agenda of the Father from the beginning of time. An example of this would be David's comments in Ps 51, telling all those who would read that psalm that God cares more for true worship (brokenness and contribtion than prescribed acts of worship [i.e. sacrifices], even if they were presecibed by Him. The message has always been there -- it got lost in man's evolving effort at solving his own problems in his own way. 

IMO

a brother,

John

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Sunday, September 26, 2004]

Thought that this one was too good not to share. It makes us ignorant
uneducated people
feel a little less ignorant.
Terry

I N F I N I T E S U P P L Y
Sunday, September 26, 2004
-
Hi Terry,
Today's meditation is taken from:

THE HIDDEN WISDOM
by Chip Brogden
http://www.watchman.net/articles/wisdom.html
::
If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a
fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness
with God (I Corinthians 3:18,19).

Man places a high value on education, instruction, learning, and knowledge.
Perhaps these things have their place, but in spiritual matters they mean
nothing. Indeed, when the Spirit of the Lord begins to give us the Hidden
Wisdom, we find it is contrary to the wisdom of this world. In order to
see as He sees we must be willing to embrace the unknown and the unfamiliar.

Paul warns that in the last days perilous times will come. He tells us of a
sort of people who are ever learning, and never able to come to the
full-knowledge (epignosis) of Truth (II Timothy 3:7). There is no lack
of instruction and learning, no lack of Bible teachers and Bible studies,
but there is a lack of experiential Truth. That is, people have truth as a
thing instead of Truth as a Man. This demonstrates that an accumulation
of knowledge does not guarantee an apprehension of Truth. The Bereans and
the Pharisees both searched the Scriptures, but the Pharisees had a doctrine
while the Bereans had a Man (compare Acts 17:10-12 with John 5:38-40). The
difference is incalculable.

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Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat





Dave Hansen wrote:

  
  
DAVEH: Hm againWould you consider Jesus to have been cultish,
if that is the right term? Or perhaps a better question, would he have
been considered to have been the founder (or focal point) of a cult?

Cult leader is exactly how He was viewed by the chief priest, and
others.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Sunday, September 26, 2004]

In a message dated 9/26/2004 6:55:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


"If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let him become a 
fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is foolishness 
with God" (I Corinthians 3:18,19). 

Man places a high value on education, instruction, learning, and knowledge.
Perhaps these things have their place, but in spiritual matters they mean 
nothing. Indeed, when the Spirit of the Lord begins to give us the Hidden
Wisdom, we find it is contrary to the wisdom of this world. In order to 
see as He sees we must be willing to embrace the unknown and the unfamiliar. 

Paul warns that in the last days perilous times will come. He tells us of a
sort of people who are "ever learning, and never able to come to the
full-knowledge (epignosis) of Truth" (II Timothy 3:7). There is no lack 
of instruction and learning, no lack of Bible teachers and Bible studies,
but there is a lack of experiential Truth. That is, people have truth as a 
"thing" instead of Truth as a Man. This demonstrates that an accumulation
of knowledge does not guarantee an apprehension of Truth. The Bereans and 
the Pharisees both searched the Scriptures, but the Pharisees had a doctrine
while the Bereans had a Man (compare Acts 17:10-12 with John 5:38-40). The 
difference is incalculable. 



Amen to this one.

John

RE: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat












DAVEH: Hm.Can Jesus be classified as either a liberal or
conservative?



By political definition, Jesus was a liberal (I hate to admit this). And
most conservativesn our day would have defended the status quo of
the 1st century.

John



In all seriousness, I think the question
is not Can Jesus be classified as either a liberal or conservative?
The question is, Which of those two philosophies today most reflects
Jesus? You know what I think of that. Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine

Personally, I believe is it unconscionable for any follower of Christ in
America
to NOT vote for President Bushs re-election. The
only alternative, not a third party candidate, but Kerry.

This actually kind of bothers me a little. I will not vote for
Kerry for a number of reasons. But my vote -- ok, it is for
Bush --- is a secular consideration. I certainly do not
believe that the Republican Party is God's party. I actually do not
consider Kerry to be evil. But what are his core
values? No one really knows. And with 40 days
remaining to election, he has no intentions of letting us know what those
values are. So, he does not get my vote.
Abortion? No biggie -- yes, I said no
biggie. If the churched would get off its collective
butt, abortions would be a tenth of what they are today. We,
the churched, want an end to abortion on demand but we do not want to care for
the 1.3 million newborns as a result. Its the old be thou
warmed and filled mentality.

John (this is why I am not a pastor any more) Smithson

Let me reiterate! I dont believe any
earthly political party is Gods party. But I do believe that we, who call
ourselves by His name, have a serious responsibility to vote, and vote for
whichever party will most advance His kingdom. You say No one knows what Kerrys
core values are. Where have you BEEN??? Did you read my post on that? Please
dont pretend it isnt obvious; not only his values, but his personal character,
are abhorrent to me as a Believer.

Furthermore, there is a difference between
the be thou warmed and filled mentality and turning people into slaves of a
welfare system. The Republican Party believes in teaching a man to fish; not just giving him a fish. You should know
that by now. For the life of me, I dont know why you think that the laws of
our land allowing for the murder of the unborn is not a stench in the nostrils
of God. Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm





















From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004
12:08 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of
the Storm





In a message dated 9/25/2004 6:55:29 PM Pacific Daylight
Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:




This is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a mandatory
evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured homes. This has
been an interesting six weeks with four storms.



I don't understand why Michael doesn't simply pray these storms into Russia.
If we have power over the weather, why not that? 

Serious as a heart attack, 

brother John



Why on earth would you accuse Michael of
wanting to do that??? Was that nice? Do you not realize that God can just
dissolve a storm? Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat





ShieldsFamily wrote:

  
  
  

  
  
  
  In all
seriousness, I think the question
is not Can Jesus be classified
as either a liberal or conservative?
  The question is, Which of
those two philosophies today most reflects
Jesus? You know what I think of that. Izzy
  

Good thinking Iz.
Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm






On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:48:38 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  ||To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the 
  Storm
  


In a message dated 9/25/2004 
6:55:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:
This 
is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a mandatory 
evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured 
homes...I 
don't understand why Michael doesn't simply pray these storms into 
Russia...brother John 


[..God 
can..dissolve a storm..] Izzy
  Maybe He could just send it where they need the 
  rain.Terry
  
  * John, Sun, 26 Sep 2004 02:05:19 EDT
  ..And then we have those who do not and 
  will never "know better." They are 
  those stunted by unenlightened teaching, 
  superstitions..
  
  Kiss the Son, lest he be angry and you 
  be destroyed in your way, for his wrath can flare up in a moment. 
  
  Blessed are all who take refuge in 
  him. Ps 2

Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat

2004-09-26 Thread Dave Hansen





DAVEH: How do you think the prevailing establishment would have
perceived him, John?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:14:53
PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  
  
DAVEH: Hm againWould you consider Jesus to have been cultish,
if that is the right term? Or perhaps a better question, would he have
been considered to have been the founder (or focal point) of a cult?
  
  
  
Not at all. His gospel, given full revelation in the writings of Paul
and others, simply mirrors the "hidden: agenda of the Father from the
beginning of time. An example of this would be David's comments in
Ps 51, telling all those who would read that psalm that God cares more
for true worship (brokenness and contribtion than prescribed acts of
worship [i.e. sacrifices], even if they were presecibed by Him. The
message has always been there -- it got lost in man's evolving effort
at solving his own problems in his own way. 
  
IMO
  
a brother,
  
John

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Re: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine




Of course(!); and acc to the NT,the RNChas nothin' to do 
with JC:

As Jesus walked beside the Sea of 
Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for 
they were fishermen. "Come, follow me," Jesus said, 
"and I will make you fishers of men." At once they 
left their nets and followed him. [Mk 1, NIV]
G

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:30:48 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  The Republican 
  Party believes in teaching a man to 
fish

Fw: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 14:18:44 EDT
Subject: Re: Fw: Re: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 "Real Simple" 
magazine
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Please pass this on to TT...My son was running the sound system for 
President Bush at a rally last week in Charlotte, NC. During the 
rehearsals before the rally, a local singing group was practicing. They 
sung a song that had the word "Jesus" in it.Immediately, they were 
stopped, and told in no uncertain terms that the song with the word "Jesus" in 
it WAS NOT ALLOWED!

Just thought that [those who confuse] Christ with the Republican Party 
should know...

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Date: Sun, 26 Sep 2004 10:33:31 
-0600
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 "Real 
  Simple" magazine
  Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  ||

  Of course(!); and 
  acc to the NT,the 
  RNChas nothin' to do with JC:

  As Jesus walked 
  beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net 
  into the lake, for they were fishermen. "Come, follow 
  me," Jesus said, "and I will make you fishers of 
  men." At once they left their nets and followed him. [Mk 1, 
  NIV]
  G

  On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:30:48 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:

The Republican 
Party believes in teaching a man to 
  fish

RE: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine









Not everyone is called to fish for men
exclusively. Most of us are called to do both simultaneously. Izzy











From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004
10:34 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] >From the
10/04 Real Simple magazine







Of course(!); and acc to the NT,the
RNChas nothin' to do with JC:











As Jesus walked beside the Sea of Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew
casting a net into the lake, for they were fishermen. Come, follow me, Jesus said, and I will make you fishers of men. At once they left their nets and followed him. [Mk 1, NIV]





G











On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:30:48 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:





The Republican Party believes in teaching
a man to fish

Re: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine




only those on the 
hook

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:39:33 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes:

  
  Not everyone is 
  called to fish for men

RE: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat




I 
think Jesus was a liberal... but He was a religious liberal. He was not a 
political liberal. After all, He seemed to suggest a more passive stance against 
Rome than the Zealots.

Yeshua 
would not have been cultic. He was a House Hillel Pharisee who spoke against the 
conservative [religious] position held by House Shammai Pharisees. In fact, He 
spoke vehemently against them often (remember the "Woe to you" phrases)? [For 
more information on this topic, see the book... Jesus the Pharisee..." if you 
can find it affordable!]

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave 
  HansenSent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 12.23To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or 
  DemocratDAVEH: How do you think the prevailing 
  establishment would have perceived him, John?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:14:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: Hm againWould you consider 
  Jesus to have been cultish, if that is the right term? Or 
  perhaps a better question, would he have been considered to have been the 
  founder (or focal point) of a cult?Not at 
all. His gospel, given full revelation in the writings of Paul and 
others, simply mirrors the "hidden: agenda of the Father from the beginning 
of time. An example of this would be David's 
comments in Ps 51, telling all those who would read that psalm that God 
cares more for true worship (brokenness and contribtion than prescribed acts 
of worship [i.e. sacrifices], even if they were presecibed by 
Him. The message has always been there -- it got lost in 
man's evolving effort at solving his own problems in his own way. 
IMOa brother,John-- 
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 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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RE: [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 Real Simple magazine




G...

I 
wanted to let you know that I liked that post. It stands near the top of my 
favorites. Well done and God be blessed.

-- 
slade

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  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 
  12.34To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] From the 10/04 "Real Simple" magazine
  Of course(!); and 
  acc to the NT,the 
  RNChas nothin' to do with JC:
  
  As Jesus walked beside the Sea of 
  Galilee, he saw Simon and his brother Andrew casting a net into the lake, for 
  they were fishermen. "Come, follow me," Jesus said, 
  "and I will make you fishers of men." At once they 
  left their nets and followed him. [Mk 1, NIV]
  G
  
  On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 09:30:48 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  

The Republican 
Party believes in teaching a man to 
  fish

RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm




There seems to be a war on the 
faith of the saints. My boy (Ian / Shem Yisrael: Hanokh) and I prayed that God 
would protect our important things. We packed up and left at 0520. Ian prayed 
that God would protect everything but [his] mom's china (after all, we never use 
the china so it's not considered a valued thing).

He cracked me up (oops... 
another idiom... What I mean is... he made me laugh).

I agree, I would LOVE to see 
many wake up in the Light of Messiah and embrace the 
Truth.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of michael 
  douglasSent: Saturday, 25 September, 2004 22.43To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the 
  Storm
  


  Michael D: What do you make of 
it, Slade? This is very serious business. I feel for you guys. I am 
fighting with you all. As I write here, it's already at your 
coast. I am praying for God's mercy while I try to add my fight. 
Thank God Izzy is in on the battle. May God bless her, and all that add 
their faith to this defence. I have not noticed anyone in Florida 
showing willingness to take a position for agreement yet. It may be 
difficult for some because of the evacuation order. May the people of 
Florida wake up also to the light and embrace the Lord Jesus an a broad 
scale. And may God protect His people, always.

  

  
Slade Henson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 


  
This is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a 
mandatory evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured 
homes. This has been an interesting six weeks with four 
storms. 

  
  

  

  
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of michael 
douglasSent: Friday, 24 September, 2004 18.40To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of 
the Storm
Michael D: I'm relieved to see that. This area 
is to volatile to take lightly. Anyway, another storm threat is looming 
over the U.S. Florida again is in the firing line according to latest 
forcasts. How tough a prospect for you folks out there. 
I remember sharing some weeks ago that the Lord 
showed me that the reason the authority over weather was being discussed 
on TT at this time was that folks would need to have that insight to 
deal with the things coming their way. That was after Charley. Never did 
I imagine that what has transpired so far is what He was trying to 
prepare folks for. I know that we've had alot of back and forth opinions 
about this area, but I want to reiterate the message. Folks have to take 
up the fight with authority and faith over their own backyard. I 
encourage you folks up north to resist the elements and speak death to 
the system, forbidding it from affecting you. If light comes and we 
don't walk in it we are left only with darkness, Jesus said. God has 
brought help. Folks should rise up and avail themselves of it. In all 
that has happened, God has been merciful in response to the fight of His 
people. I will continue to join the battle with you folks, but the 
coalition of the willing must stand up and be counted for their land, 
not forgetting to inteercede for those who are lost in the process that 
they might come to light.
I know some folks have said that they don't 
believe in this stuff. Well, that's why I've shared volumes of my life 
experiences with you all that you may know that this is real. Is it that 
folks don't believe what I am saying and think I am making this stuff 
up? I have used many passages of scripture to support what I have been 
sharing. I feel like I've piped to a people all the day long... My hope 
is that folks will hear, and as Judy eloquently offered,press 
throughto the next level. It's not necessarily going to be perfect 
the first time or second ... but God expects us to grow from faith to 
faith and from glory to glory. One thing I don't want is to get stuck in 
the same level of faith and glory that former generations had. I want to 
press deep into the next level of exceeding abundantly above all that we 
can ask or think. God allows the challenges and threats ofcrises so that 
He can bring us there. Without it, most if not all of us would not press 
into it. 
So can we rally the troops one more time for a 
greatere measure of grace in God's inteervention with this threat. 
Again, a firm point of agreement will be important. Any takers? Will 
anyone seriously agree that that God turns the storm away

RE: [TruthTalk] Dan Rather Biased




How 
old are you, John???!? My father was in the Pacific Theater. Began at 
Guadalcanal in the 1st Marine Division. He ended his combat "career" at Iwo Jima 
when he was wounded. His 21st birthday was celebrated in grand style: the 
bombing of Hiroshima (6 Aug 1945). He is 80 today. I am 40.

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 
  01.47To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: 
  [TruthTalk] Dan Rather BiasedIn a message dated 9/25/2004 1:10:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'm glad the soldiers who fought and died so bravely on D-Day 
and throughout World War II did so decades ago. In the 1940s war was hell, 
but at least our troops didn't have to fight the folks back 
  home.true. My brother fought on D Day -- 1st 
  Army, Core of Engineers. It ruin him. And I 
  believe that God understood. John

RE: [TruthTalk] [Infinite Supply] Sunday, September 26, 2004]




This 
is terrible dribble if the author is referring to good, solid religious 
education. It's a half-truth if it's referring to good, solidsecular 
education. Mathematics and science has provided a good foundation for both 
pagans, heathens, and believers. An excellent grasp of these sciences can 
provide grand opportunities for the believer to witness to the worldly 
wise.

-- 
slade

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  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 
  10.13To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] [Infinite Supply] Sunday, 
  September 26, 2004]In a message dated 
  9/26/2004 6:55:50 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  "If any man among you seems to be wise in this world, let 
him become a fool, that he may be wise. For the wisdom of this world is 
foolishness with God" (I Corinthians 3:18,19). Man places a high 
value on education, instruction, learning, and knowledge.Perhaps these 
things have their place, but in spiritual matters they mean nothing. 
Indeed, when the Spirit of the Lord begins to give us the HiddenWisdom, 
we find it is contrary to the wisdom of this world. In order to see as 
He sees we must be willing to embrace the unknown and the unfamiliar. 
Paul warns that in the last days perilous times will come. He tells 
us of asort of people who are "ever learning, and never able to come to 
thefull-knowledge (epignosis) of Truth" (II Timothy 3:7). There is no 
lack of instruction and learning, no lack of Bible teachers and Bible 
studies,but there is a lack of experiential Truth. That is, people have 
truth as a "thing" instead of Truth as a Man. This demonstrates that an 
accumulationof knowledge does not guarantee an apprehension of Truth. 
The Bereans and the Pharisees both searched the Scriptures, but the 
Pharisees had a doctrinewhile the Bereans had a Man (compare Acts 
17:10-12 with John 5:38-40). The difference is incalculable. 
  Amen to this one.John

Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat

2004-09-26 Thread Jeff Powers




As near as I can tell, a copy of this book is around 
$100 right now! I wish mine would hurry up and get here! On a serious note 
Slade, you just confirmed a musing of mine from a couple of years ago. Now I 
know I'll enjoy this book!
Jeff

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Slade 
  Henson 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 
  16:02
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Republican or 
  Democrat
  
  I 
  think Jesus was a liberal... but He was a religious liberal. He was not a 
  political liberal. After all, He seemed to suggest a more passive stance 
  against Rome than the Zealots.
  
  Yeshua would not have been cultic. He was a House Hillel Pharisee who 
  spoke against the conservative [religious] position held by House Shammai 
  Pharisees. In fact, He spoke vehemently against them often (remember the "Woe 
  to you" phrases)? [For more information on this topic, see the book... Jesus 
  the Pharisee..." if you can find it affordable!]
  
-Original Message-From: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Dave 
HansenSent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 12.23To: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or 
DemocratDAVEH: How do you think the prevailing 
establishment would have perceived him, John?[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
In a message dated 9/25/2004 11:14:53 PM Pacific 
  Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  DAVEH: Hm againWould you 
consider Jesus to have been cultish, if that is the right 
term? Or perhaps a better question, would he have been considered 
to have been the founder (or focal point) of a 
  cult?Not at all. His gospel, given full 
  revelation in the writings of Paul and others, simply mirrors the "hidden: 
  agenda of the Father from the beginning of time. 
  An example of this would be David's comments in Ps 51, telling all those 
  who would read that psalm that God cares more for true worship (brokenness 
  and contribtion than prescribed acts of worship [i.e. 
  sacrifices], even if they were presecibed by Him. The message 
  has always been there -- it got lost in man's evolving effort at 
  solving his own problems in his own way. IMOa 
  brother,John-- 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm

2004-09-26 Thread Jeff Powers




Izzy, interesting is the understatement of the year if 
you ask me. It's maddening to have the sheriff's dept. rolling through your 
neighborhood at 10PM issuing a mandatory evacuation. As if that isn't bad 
enough, theres no place to go! Gotta love hurricane season!!
Jeff

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 
  10:32
  Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Eye of the 
  Storm
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:08 
  AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the 
  Storm
  
  In a message dated 9/25/2004 
  6:55:29 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  writes:
  This 
  is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a mandatory 
  evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured homes. This has 
  been an interesting six weeks with four storms.
  I 
  don't understand why Michael doesn't simply pray these storms into 
  Russia. If we have 
  power over the weather, why not that? Serious as a heart attack, 
  brother John
  
  Why on earth would you 
  accuse Michael of wanting to do that??? Was that nice? Do you not realize that 
  God can just dissolve a storm? 
Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] Dan Rather Biased

2004-09-26 Thread Jeff Powers




Sorry John, all I said was Amen to this statement. IIRC 
it was Izzy that posted this quote!
Jeff

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 
  1:47
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Dan Rather 
  Biased
  In a message dated 9/25/2004 1:10:45 PM Pacific 
  Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  I'm glad the soldiers who fought and died so bravely on D-Day 
and throughout World War II did so decades ago. In the 1940s war was hell, 
but at least our troops didn't have to fight the folks back 
  home.true. My brother fought on D Day -- 1st 
  Army, Core of Engineers. It ruin him. And I 
  believe that God understood. John

Re: [TruthTalk] [Infinite Supply] Sunday, September 26, 2004]





Slade Henson wrote:

  
  
  This is terrible dribble if the author is
referring to good, solid religious education. It's a half-truth if it's
referring to good, solidsecular education. Mathematics and science has
provided a good foundation for both pagans, heathens, and believers. An
excellent grasp of these sciences can provide grand opportunities for
the believer to witness to the worldly wise.
  
  -- slade

You are arguing with God , my friend. He is the author.
Terry

RE: [TruthTalk] [Infinite Supply] Sunday, September 26, 2004




Please 
give me the address for the following "biblical" passage:


Man places a high value on 
education, instruction, learning, and knowledge. 
Perhaps these things have their place, but in spiritual matters they mean 
nothing. Indeed, when the Spirit of the Lord begins to give us the Hidden Wisdom, we find it is contrary to the wisdom of 
this world. In order to see as He sees we must be willing to embrace the unknown 
and the unfamiliar. Paul warns that in the last days perilous times will come. 
He tells us of a sort of people who are 
"ever learning, and never able to come to the 
full-knowledge (epignosis) of Truth" (II Timothy 3:7). There is no lack 
of instruction and learning, no lack of Bible teachers and Bible studies, but there is a lack of experiential Truth. That 
is, people have truth as a"thing" instead of Truth as a Man. This 
demonstrates that an accumulation of 
knowledge does not guarantee an apprehension of Truth. The Bereans and the 
Pharisees both searched the Scriptures, but the Pharisees had a doctrine while the 
Bereans had a Man (compare Acts 17:10-12 with John 5:38-40). The 
difference is incalculable. 
-- 
slade

  -Original Message-From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Terry 
  CliftonSent: Sunday, 26 September, 2004 16.04To: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [TruthTalk] [Infinite Supply] 
  Sunday, September 26, 2004
  
  You are arguing with God , 
  my friend. He is the 
author.Terry

Re: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat

In a message dated 9/26/2004 7:26:51 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


DAVEH: Hm.Can Jesus be classified as either a liberal or conservative?



By political definition, Jesus was a liberal (I hate to admit this). And most "conservatives"n our day would have defended the status quo of the 1st century.

John

 

In all seriousness, I think the question is not Can Jesus be classified as either a liberal or conservative? The question is, Which of those two philosophies today most reflects Jesus? You know what I think of that. Izzy



And what is the "conservative philosphy?" Is one a conservative if he believes in states rights, a decreasing federal reality, balanced budgets, a dynamic national defense system and a woman's right to choose? 


Or, what if one is pro-life, prayer in schools, pro medical mariwana, and anti - gun. 

Or, what if one is pro-life, pro prayer in schools, pro "in God we trust," for state's rights, for balance budgets, pro national defgense, pro traditional marriage, anti-gay (whatever that is), anti-NEA, for closing the borders by force if necessary and pro socialized medicine? 

Or, what if he did not have time for politics of any kind, did not vote, and minitered to hundreds of individuals each and every year? 

John

Re: [TruthTalk] Eye of the Storm

In a message dated 9/26/2004 7:33:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

This is interesting, Michael. Much of Florida is calling for a mandatory evacuation of low-lying areas, mobile homes, and manufactured homes. This has been an interesting six weeks with four storms.

 

I don't understand why Michael doesn't simply pray these storms into Russia. If we have power over the weather, why not that? 

Serious as a heart attack, 

brother John

 

Why on earth would you accuse Michael of wanting to do that??? Was that nice? Do you not realize that God can just dissolve a storm? Izzy



You lost me. I am accusing Michael of what? Does he not believe that Christians have authority over the weather? 

But now that you mention it, what am I to believe? God can dissolve storms -- so why has He not done this with the four storms to strike Florida -- or is it #5 now? 




John

RE: [TruthTalk] Republican or Democrat