Re: xmms into universe?
Thilo Six wrote the following on 27.05.2007 15:11 snip even Gentoo has purged xmms from their tree (i think half year ago). But when we decide to go for removing xmms we probably want to make a corresponding announce via UWN in advance to prepare users for it. http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20061030-newsletter.xml http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/seemant/2006/10/27/on_masking_popular_packages_xmms otherwise you will get many bugreports for it - promised. http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.general/116761 -- Thilo key: 0x4A411E09 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
* [Jan Claeys] The Gtk1 XMMS has been ported to Gtk2 under the name beep-media-player. Some time ago the beep-media-player people started a new project (BMPx), but the classic BMP was forked to become the Audacious project, which is essentially the latest version of XMMS now. (XMMS en classic BMP aren't supported by their upstreams anymore, but Audacious is.) See: http://audacious.nenolod.net/Main_Page (Audacious is available in Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty.) As for basic functionality (my personal use case), it seems Audacious is a perfectly fine drop-in replacement for xmms. The functionality I use is: * Codecs: mp3, vorbis, flac, musepack. * xmms directory/ playing all music files in the directory in reasonable (alphabetical) order. * Same as above, but xmms -e directory/ for enqueuing. * Song change plugin runs a shell script that updates one of those now playing macros everyone hates. The basic conversion from xmms to audacious seems to have taken me all of 10 minutes, including porting the configuration for the song change plugin and browsing through the preferences dialog. Only problems I've run into so far: * Default skin of audacious is fugly to my eyes (easily fixable) * Need to retrain my fingers to type audacious instead of xmms. I suppose an alias of sorts might be in order, not to mention uninstalling xmms. Conclusion: Pointless post, but popcon --xmms ++audacious. Øystein -- Nobody really reads these signatures anyway. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
Stephan Hermann wrote the following on 27.05.2007 11:08 since my mail to devel got stock at the listmaster i resend here. (pls note i have added an other important link) I'd like to propose moving xmms into universe. There is no longer any upstream development[1] (and as such, security vulnerabilities aren't being fixed -- I created the most recent patch for the skin loader vuln). Debian's package has been recently adopted, otherwise I'd be proposing dropping it from the repository totally. :) Well, we can leave xmms in universe for at least one release cycle (reads: Gutsy still have it in universe), and gutsy+1 won't have it anymore. I think we have a bright choice of media players right now (rythmbox, amarok to name only the two big ones for ubuntu and kubuntu). So, I'd like to propose the following changes: - remove the xmms-flac package from flac (as well as the xmms-dev build-dep). - remove the xmms-dev build-dep from kdeutils (as well as the xmms suggests from superkaramba). - move xmms into universe Agreed and second. Regards, \sh even Gentoo has purged xmms from their tree (i think half year ago). But when we decide to go for removing xmms we probably want to make a corresponding announce via UWN in advance to prepare users for it. http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20061030-newsletter.xml http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/desktop/sound/xmms.xml http://planet.gentoo.org/developers/seemant/2006/10/27/on_masking_popular_packages_xmms otherwise you will get many bugreports for it - promised. bye Thilo -- i am on Ubuntu 2.6 KDE - some friend of mine gpg key: 0x4A411E09 -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
I think we have a bright choice of media players right now (rythmbox, amarok to name only the two big ones for ubuntu and kubuntu). Amarok actually freezes my Dapper machine (This is not certain, but strongly suspected.). I rely on xmms for lightweight no-nonsense playback. If you move it out of universe, where will it go? Will it still be available? /d -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
Op zondag 27-05-2007 om 15:41 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Donn: I think we have a bright choice of media players right now (rythmbox, amarok to name only the two big ones for ubuntu and kubuntu). Amarok actually freezes my Dapper machine (This is not certain, but strongly suspected.). I rely on xmms for lightweight no-nonsense playback. If you move it out of universe, where will it go? Will it still be available? The Gtk1 XMMS has been ported to Gtk2 under the name beep-media-player. Some time ago the beep-media-player people started a new project (BMPx), but the classic BMP was forked to become the Audacious project, which is essentially the latest version of XMMS now. (XMMS en classic BMP aren't supported by their upstreams anymore, but Audacious is.) See: http://audacious.nenolod.net/Main_Page (Audacious is available in Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty.) -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
On 5/28/07, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Gtk1 XMMS has been ported to Gtk2 under the name beep-media-player. Some time ago the beep-media-player people started a new project (BMPx), but the classic BMP was forked to become the Audacious project, which is essentially the latest version of XMMS now. (XMMS en classic BMP aren't supported by their upstreams anymore, but Audacious is.) See: http://audacious.nenolod.net/Main_Page (Audacious is available in Ubuntu 7.04 Feisty.) I agree that audacious is a good replacement at an application level, but I don't think it's a perfect replacement at a source level. Several packages build-depend on xmms-dev (1), which packages need to either have reduced functionality or use whichever alternative is selected. My memory is that the API for beep-media-player didn't match exactly, and that a number of these packages required porting to work with beep-media-player-dev: I suspect the changes to be further affected by the transition from beep-media-player to audacious. If it is appropriate to use audacious as the Ubuntu recommended replacement for XMMS, perhaps a first step towards this would be to attempt porting any relevant packages in universe from xmms-dev to audacious-dev (or to use both, and provide separate binaries), and if this appears to work smoothly, bring audacious into main, and port the applications in main. (1) cat /var/lib/apt/lists/*_Sources | grep-dctrl -F Build-Depends xmms-dev -sPackage -n | sort | uniq -- Emmet -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
Op woensdag 16-05-2007 om 11:27 uur [tijdzone +0100], schreef Matt Zimmerman: On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 10:07:59PM +0200, Jan Claeys wrote: ... isn't it possible to change the FLAC dependency on XMMS to a dependency on/from Beep (or Audacious?) and get that patch accepted upstream (in either FLAC, Beep or Audacious)? (The XMMS plugin is also the Beep plugin now...) I didn't realize that XMMS and Beep plugins were interchangeable. Doing this in FLAC would require moving beep-media-player to main, but it would be worth talking to Beep and FLAC upstreams to see if they would be interested in moving the plugin to the Beep tree. To be clear, I was talking about the classic Beep Media Player. It seems like there is a new Beep Media Player that isn't a WinAmp clone anymore--I have no idea if this BMPx still uses the same plugins. Audacious is a fork of the BMP Classic, seems to be actively maintained, and I think it already comes with a FLAC plugin? So, currently we have packages for 3 programs with the same roots, but judging from their respective websites only the newest fork (Audacity) is really actively maintained... -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: xmms into universe?
Op zondag 20-05-2007 om 21:54 uur [tijdzone +], schreef William Tracy: On 5/20/07, Jan Claeys [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, currently we have packages for 3 programs with the same roots, but judging from their respective websites only the newest fork (Audacity) is really actively maintained... I assume that was just a typo, but just to be clear, Audacious and Audacity are two different programs. :-) Of course. (And it should be forbidden to name 2 audio-related programs with such similar names! ;-) ) -- Jan Claeys -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
