Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/22/2010 01:20 PM, Loïc Minier wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010, Stefan Bader wrote: I hope I got the relevant people included... I am writing this in preparation to remove the fsl-imx51 topic branch from the actively supported topic branches in Karmic. Why? This branch has seriously fallen into unmaintained already. When asking around we usually have no hardware to test and I am being told that there are no projects which use this. Additionally we had this bricking issue with 3.0 babbage boards (or was that 2.5?) which only was fixed in Lucid code. So we either need to replace the Karmic code with the Lucid patches or should drop it. And I don't see much use in doing that work if nobody really cares. So if anybody *does* care, speak now. -Stefan And so it was done. The final tip has been archived as fsl-imx51-mothball tag. that was quite quick I don't particularly care for the fate of karmic imx51 support, but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KarmicKoala/ReleaseManifest said Ubuntu Desktop on imx51 would be supported for 18 months. You might want to get David's input on how much he cares for imx51 before killing it. Well this is more or less just finalizes what is fact for quite a while now. Any new patches are made against the Lucid version and if at all it requires poking people hardly to find out what to do about the Karmic version. It only is a pita to drag along with every security update. No one tests Karmic or if people need to completely replace installations on their boards, causing more lag until a test could be done. You mention some bricking issue, I heard some people mention this; I understand that some intermediate development kernel bricked these boards permanently. This was certainly post karmic since the problematic kernels were working on Babbage 3.0 boards and these were just coming out back in these days; some 2.5 boards got bricked. Yes, testing one of the security updates for fsl-imx51 on Lucid caused several boards to be hard bricked. There was a fix for Lucid but this cannot be applied to Karmic as the patches on top of 2.6.31 are too different. I had been asking about Karmic for a long time and I never got feedback. I have not done any security updates for Karmic fsl-imx51 since then as I could not be sure the Karmic version might not brick boards and nobody cared. So I just officially declared that corpse that is called fsl-imx51 in Karmic dead. It has been rotting long enough now. Surely David could tell me otherwise but then we need a plan an some man power on the Arm side to bring this into shape. I cannot honestly call the current state of the repo supported without getting red and growing a long nose. -Stefan https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BabbageKarmicInstall mentions that 1.0 boards aren't supported anymore, 2.0 and 2.5 are what's supported, and 3.0 might work but is untested. I think Canonical has some 3.0 and possibly some 2.x boards in the datacenter. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/20/2010 07:39 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not use the same kernel as in Lucid? They are the same base kernel, just built for different HW (armv6+vfp vs armv7). We could and that would be done by moving the code back from the Lucid repo to the Karmic repo (in order to make kernels for a release be in the release repo). But frankly, even this being not a big issue to do, I do not really want to spend any effort on something that is not used. And if every development and project has moved to Lucid, why bother? Ike, are you aware of any Karmic arm project for OEM that use the fsl-imx51 branch there? -Stefan And the issue with the boards at the sprint was on bbg 2.5 boards from what I understood. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Stefan Bader stefan.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On 09/20/2010 07:39 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not use the same kernel as in Lucid? They are the same base kernel, just built for different HW (armv6+vfp vs armv7). We could and that would be done by moving the code back from the Lucid repo to the Karmic repo (in order to make kernels for a release be in the release repo). But frankly, even this being not a big issue to do, I do not really want to spend any effort on something that is not used. And if every development and project has moved to Lucid, why bother? Ike, are you aware of any Karmic arm project for OEM that use the fsl-imx51 branch there? I agree to drop this support in karmic for fsl-imx51. No OEM project is based on Karmic fsl-imx51. Thanks, -Bryan -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/21/2010 10:31 AM, Eric Miao wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Bryan Wu bryan...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Stefan Bader stefan.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On 09/20/2010 07:39 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not use the same kernel as in Lucid? They are the same base kernel, just built for different HW (armv6+vfp vs armv7). We could and that would be done by moving the code back from the Lucid repo to the Karmic repo (in order to make kernels for a release be in the release repo). But frankly, even this being not a big issue to do, I do not really want to spend any effort on something that is not used. And if every development and project has moved to Lucid, why bother? Ike, are you aware of any Karmic arm project for OEM that use the fsl-imx51 branch there? I agree to drop this support in karmic for fsl-imx51. No OEM project is based on Karmic fsl-imx51. There is no known OEM project based on Karmic mvl-dove as well. And if Lucid kernel can support Karmic user-space out of the box, I would vote for drop mvl-dove in karmic kernel as well. The small difference for mvl-dove is that this actually is 2.6.31 in Karmic and 2.6.32 in Lucid, while fsl-imx51 is 2.6.31 in both cases but has different patchsets on top of it. -Stefan And Cc'ed David to see the impact from biz perspective? Thanks, -Bryan -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/21/2010 01:02 AM, Stefan Bader wrote: I hope I got the relevant people included... I am writing this in preparation to remove the fsl-imx51 topic branch from the actively supported topic branches in Karmic. Why? This branch has seriously fallen into unmaintained already. When asking around we usually have no hardware to test and I am being told that there are no projects which use this. Additionally we had this bricking issue with 3.0 babbage boards (or was that 2.5?) which only was fixed in Lucid code. So we either need to replace the Karmic code with the Lucid patches or should drop it. And I don't see much use in doing that work if nobody really cares. So if anybody *does* care, speak now. -Stefan works for me -- Tim Gardner tim.gard...@canonical.com -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/21/2010 03:41 PM, Stefan Bader wrote: On 09/20/2010 07:39 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not use the same kernel as in Lucid? They are the same base kernel, just built for different HW (armv6+vfp vs armv7). We could and that would be done by moving the code back from the Lucid repo to the Karmic repo (in order to make kernels for a release be in the release repo). But frankly, even this being not a big issue to do, I do not really want to spend any effort on something that is not used. And if every development and project has moved to Lucid, why bother? Ike, are you aware of any Karmic arm project for OEM that use the fsl-imx51 branch there? No, OEM projects of fsl-imx51 are based on Jaunty and Lucid. No Karmic one, its safe to retire the branch. -Stefan And the issue with the boards at the sprint was on bbg 2.5 boards from what I understood. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Bryan Wu bryan...@canonical.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 3:41 PM, Stefan Bader stefan.ba...@canonical.com wrote: On 09/20/2010 07:39 PM, Tobin Davis wrote: Just out of curiosity, why not use the same kernel as in Lucid? They are the same base kernel, just built for different HW (armv6+vfp vs armv7). We could and that would be done by moving the code back from the Lucid repo to the Karmic repo (in order to make kernels for a release be in the release repo). But frankly, even this being not a big issue to do, I do not really want to spend any effort on something that is not used. And if every development and project has moved to Lucid, why bother? Ike, are you aware of any Karmic arm project for OEM that use the fsl-imx51 branch there? I agree to drop this support in karmic for fsl-imx51. No OEM project is based on Karmic fsl-imx51. There is no known OEM project based on Karmic mvl-dove as well. And if Lucid kernel can support Karmic user-space out of the box, I would vote for drop mvl-dove in karmic kernel as well. And Cc'ed David to see the impact from biz perspective? Thanks, -Bryan -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/20/2010 12:02 PM, Stefan Bader wrote: I hope I got the relevant people included... I am writing this in preparation to remove the fsl-imx51 topic branch from the actively supported topic branches in Karmic. Why? This branch has seriously fallen into unmaintained already. When asking around we usually have no hardware to test and I am being told that there are no projects which use this. Additionally we had this bricking issue with 3.0 babbage boards (or was that 2.5?) which only was fixed in Lucid code. So we either need to replace the Karmic code with the Lucid patches or should drop it. And I don't see much use in doing that work if nobody really cares. So if anybody *does* care, speak now. -Stefan Retire, there is no hardware in the wild that uses this anymore, it was iMX51 Babbage 2.0, everything we care about is based on iMX51 Babbage 2.5 and 3.0 Cheers, David -- David Mandala davidm at canonical dot com http://www.canonical.com/ Public Key id: 45B2D952 Murphy TX, 75094 +1.214.774.2569 O +1.972.693.4007 C -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Retirement of fsl-imx51 in Karmic
On 09/20/2010 07:02 PM, Stefan Bader wrote: I hope I got the relevant people included... I am writing this in preparation to remove the fsl-imx51 topic branch from the actively supported topic branches in Karmic. Why? This branch has seriously fallen into unmaintained already. When asking around we usually have no hardware to test and I am being told that there are no projects which use this. Additionally we had this bricking issue with 3.0 babbage boards (or was that 2.5?) which only was fixed in Lucid code. So we either need to replace the Karmic code with the Lucid patches or should drop it. And I don't see much use in doing that work if nobody really cares. So if anybody *does* care, speak now. -Stefan And so it was done. The final tip has been archived as fsl-imx51-mothball tag. -Stefan -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
