Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Well, we have some notes and scratches around like these: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Maven+Ecosystem+Cleanup https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Towards+Doxia+2.0.0+Stack But these are about Maven "ecosystem" that needed a lot of work to make those up to date. The "battle" with Maven4 API is _not present here_, as we can only work by data that "trickles" to us, or we spend our own energy to look up all the plugins out there... Thanks T On Wed, Dec 20, 2023 at 12:55 PM Debraj Manna wrote: > When I asked about the release timeline, I was enquiring whether Maven also > has release management documentation like the way some other apache > projects Flink or Kafka do. I was not able to find it for maven 4. > > Anyways thanks, Marteen for the references. > > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/2.0+Release > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.7.0 > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:53 PM > wrote: > > > Thank you! I'd seen [4] but not sure if I've seen [2] > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Maarten Mulders > > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:07 AM > > To: users@maven.apache.org > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > > mthmuld...@apache.org Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond > > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > > On 18/12/2023 21:38, mark.yagnatin...@barclays.com.INVALID wrote: > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > going > > to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > > that of most uninformed outsiders. > > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > > developer email lists? > > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, > how? > > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build > > will be a beta? > > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > reserve > > the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to > > not do that after hitting beta? > > > > > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > > unpredictable things". > > > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or > > a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > > > > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > The good news is, you don't have to read the mailing list history, nor > > dive into the issue tracker, nor read the git history. If you're curious > > what Maven 4 will bring, I can highly recommend watching Karl-Heinz' > > talk [1]. Don't feel like watching somebody talk? You can read about some > > interesting articles and documentation: [2], [3], [4]. > > > > Hope this helps, > > > > > > Maarten > > > > > > [1] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMvS6QDE6q6Jf47vc58?h=tZSjeMLRMnL1sHS93b7vt02NnPNvJwK6-ee8iyLMi5Q==https://youtu.be/fHeVMbQNbgQ > > [2] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnY8YJe5nk3fmTQtA?h=sQem5P67RYOhsiW9Hm_YeD-PIfsaReOsBbMYvlLdgRk==https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-multiple-modules-4.html > > [3] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1HxHATbJYuZu8nDSJ?h=s87AfscrtMWpDN9FZxBHl_MjXK1i_ohGn2TWRZhFFZ4==https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Build%2Bvs%2BConsumer%2BPOM > > [4] > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMqbu7kcREgMq8aNCvW?h=2OV2Xb8OY1yozkosb4XLJzGzmH5eCx0rkkaq0thqbr4==https://www.javaadvent.com/2021/12/from-maven-3-to-maven-5.html > > > > PS. Most of the above was exactly one Google search away...: "Maven 4" > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > > > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna >
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
When I asked about the release timeline, I was enquiring whether Maven also has release management documentation like the way some other apache projects Flink or Kafka do. I was not able to find it for maven 4. Anyways thanks, Marteen for the references. https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/FLINK/2.0+Release https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/KAFKA/Release+Plan+3.7.0 On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 9:53 PM wrote: > Thank you! I'd seen [4] but not sure if I've seen [2] > > -Original Message- > From: Maarten Mulders > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:07 AM > To: users@maven.apache.org > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > mthmuld...@apache.org Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > On 18/12/2023 21:38, mark.yagnatin...@barclays.com.INVALID wrote: > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going > to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > that of most uninformed outsiders. > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > developer email lists? > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build > will be a beta? > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve > the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to > not do that after hitting beta? > > > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > unpredictable things". > > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or > a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > The good news is, you don't have to read the mailing list history, nor > dive into the issue tracker, nor read the git history. If you're curious > what Maven 4 will bring, I can highly recommend watching Karl-Heinz' > talk [1]. Don't feel like watching somebody talk? You can read about some > interesting articles and documentation: [2], [3], [4]. > > Hope this helps, > > > Maarten > > > [1] > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMvS6QDE6q6Jf47vc58?h=tZSjeMLRMnL1sHS93b7vt02NnPNvJwK6-ee8iyLMi5Q==https://youtu.be/fHeVMbQNbgQ > [2] > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnY8YJe5nk3fmTQtA?h=sQem5P67RYOhsiW9Hm_YeD-PIfsaReOsBbMYvlLdgRk==https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-multiple-modules-4.html > [3] > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1HxHATbJYuZu8nDSJ?h=s87AfscrtMWpDN9FZxBHl_MjXK1i_ohGn2TWRZhFFZ4==https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Build%2Bvs%2BConsumer%2BPOM > [4] > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMqbu7kcREgMq8aNCvW?h=2OV2Xb8OY1yozkosb4XLJzGzmH5eCx0rkkaq0thqbr4==https://www.javaadvent.com/2021/12/from-maven-3-to-maven-5.html > > PS. Most of the above was exactly one Google search away...: "Maven 4" > > > -Original Message- > > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna > > > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is > safe. > > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > >> Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? > >> Where can I view its release timelines? > >> > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available > (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1Zxyu > > IqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://clicktime.symantec.co
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Thank you! I'd seen [4] but not sure if I've seen [2] -Original Message- From: Maarten Mulders Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2023 9:07 AM To: users@maven.apache.org Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - mthmuld...@apache.org Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. On 18/12/2023 21:38, mark.yagnatin...@barclays.com.INVALID wrote: > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going to > promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that of > most uninformed outsiders. > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I can't > even begin to guess how I would find out. > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer > email lists? > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build will > be a beta? > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve the > right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to not do > that after hitting beta? > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's no > telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable things". > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a few > years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) The good news is, you don't have to read the mailing list history, nor dive into the issue tracker, nor read the git history. If you're curious what Maven 4 will bring, I can highly recommend watching Karl-Heinz' talk [1]. Don't feel like watching somebody talk? You can read about some interesting articles and documentation: [2], [3], [4]. Hope this helps, Maarten [1] https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMvS6QDE6q6Jf47vc58?h=tZSjeMLRMnL1sHS93b7vt02NnPNvJwK6-ee8iyLMi5Q==https://youtu.be/fHeVMbQNbgQ [2] https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnY8YJe5nk3fmTQtA?h=sQem5P67RYOhsiW9Hm_YeD-PIfsaReOsBbMYvlLdgRk==https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-multiple-modules-4.html [3] https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1HxHATbJYuZu8nDSJ?h=s87AfscrtMWpDN9FZxBHl_MjXK1i_ohGn2TWRZhFFZ4==https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Build%2Bvs%2BConsumer%2BPOM [4] https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMqbu7kcREgMq8aNCvW?h=2OV2Xb8OY1yozkosb4XLJzGzmH5eCx0rkkaq0thqbr4==https://www.javaadvent.com/2021/12/from-maven-3-to-maven-5.html PS. Most of the above was exactly one Google search away...: "Maven 4" > -Original Message- > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: >> Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? >> Where can I view its release timelines? >> > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at the > moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1Zxyu > IqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxL > r5gxVNoDkDu1jY?h=lGNs3g5AnciCA2HSNIITSI2TzCNDkS7EjB0SRrsw440==https: > //maven.apache.org/download.cgi > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjO > AtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689 > Zd5GtxrPpgLcav?h=8GPvTtEcgEXNG4zPkAQ3LoyxGccbyRmjBVaF3LY1HGg==https: > //maven.apache.org/docs/history.html > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zyk > QUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMLcj > QzvKgCgsbK1p2n?h=jkEzmq-Y4oP85Q2r7HHtDgUjlaVOr5JoAdOAtuuV1_M==https: > //maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html > > Kind regards > Karl Heinz Marbaise > Apache Maven PMC Chairman > > > ---
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
On 18/12/2023 21:38, mark.yagnatin...@barclays.com.INVALID wrote: I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that of most uninformed outsiders. As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I can't even begin to guess how I would find out. Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer email lists? Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build will be a beta? If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to not do that after hitting beta? You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable things". But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) The good news is, you don't have to read the mailing list history, nor dive into the issue tracker, nor read the git history. If you're curious what Maven 4 will bring, I can highly recommend watching Karl-Heinz' talk [1]. Don't feel like watching somebody talk? You can read about some interesting articles and documentation: [2], [3], [4]. Hope this helps, Maarten [1] https://youtu.be/fHeVMbQNbgQ [2] https://maven.apache.org/guides/mini/guide-multiple-modules-4.html [3] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/MAVEN/Build+vs+Consumer+POM [4] https://www.javaadvent.com/2021/12/from-maven-3-to-maven-5.html PS. Most of the above was exactly one Google search away...: "Maven 4" -Original Message- From: Karl Heinz Marbaise Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? Where can I view its release timelines? We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1ZxyuIqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://maven.apache.org/download.cgi https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjOAtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://maven.apache.org/docs/history.html https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zykQUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise Apache Maven PMC Chairman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org This message is for information purposes only. It is not a recommendation, advice, offer or solicitation to buy or sell a product or service, nor an official confirmation of any transaction. It is directed at persons who are professionals and is intended for the recipient(s) only. It is not directed at retail customers. This message is subject to the terms at: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/web-and-email-disclaimer.html. For important disclosures, please see: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/sales-and-trading-disclaimer.html regarding marketing commentary from Barclays Sales and/or Trading desks, who are active market participants; https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/barclays-global-markets-disclosures.html regarding our standard terms for Barclays Corporate and Investment Bank where we trade with you in principal-to-principal wholesale markets transactions; and in respect to Barclays Research, including disclosures relating to specific issuers, see: http://publicresearch.barclays.com. __ If you are incorporated or operating in Australia, read these important disclosures: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/important-disclosures-asia-pacific.html. ___
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Gary, you obviously did not read my message carefully. Please read one more time. You will find out, that I did not call Maven's position ridiculous *at all*, but on the contrary agreed with it, calling it a totally valid statement. What I called and am still calling ridiculous, is the wrong reason given for that valid statement. Karl Heinz basically said: "We do not have a timeline, because we are an OSS project." But the latter is not a valid reason. A project can be an OSS project and have a loose or even a very strict timeline. I even gave examples. Another project can be OSS or commerial in nature, but not have a timeline. There is no causal relationship between the "OSS yes/no" property of a project and its "timeline yes/no" property. It is an individual decision each single OSS project makes independently for its own reasons - or rather, the reasons of its constituent team members. Those team members are human beings, have daytime jobs, private obligations and interests. They are free in their decisions, how much time they want to dedicate to the OSS project. This is to be respected and not to be ridiculed in any way. But again, ... >>> We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. ... is not sound reasoning. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, I take the liberty to call it ridiculous. Not the fact as such, just the reason given. Clear enough for you now, too? Regards -- Alexander Kriegisch https://scrum-master.de Gary Gregory schrieb am 19.12.2023 19:59 (GMT +07:00): > As a fly on the wall here, not a dev, I think a kinder view would > reinterpret Maven's position not as "ridiculous" but rather > "down-priority", as in "we are busy, we like fixing bugs, adding features, > and scheduling things is not as important, otherwise this would turn into a > real job ;-)" > > Gary > > On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 12:20 AM Alexander Kriegisch > wrote: > >> Karl Heinz, >> >> my thoughts on your reply: >> >> > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. >> >> This is a totally valid statement, if this is the policy in the Apache >> Maven project. No objections at all. >> >> But: >> >> > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. >> >> That is suboptimal response, to say it politely. OpenJDK and Eclipse IDE >> with dozens of simultaneously released components have release cycles >> for 6 (OpenJDK) and 3 (Eclipse SimRel) months with defined dates for >> certain phases like milestones, release candidates, general availability >> dates. I.e., you can say "Maven does not have a release timeline", fine. >> But giving the reason that you do not have one because Maven is OSS, is, >> with all due respect, just ridiculous. >> >> Regards >> -- >> Alexander Kriegisch >> https://scrum-master.de >> >> - >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org >> >> > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
As a fly on the wall here, not a dev, I think a kinder view would reinterpret Maven's position not as "ridiculous" but rather "down-priority", as in "we are busy, we like fixing bugs, adding features, and scheduling things is not as important, otherwise this would turn into a real job ;-)" Gary On Tue, Dec 19, 2023, 12:20 AM Alexander Kriegisch wrote: > Karl Heinz, > > my thoughts on your reply: > > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > This is a totally valid statement, if this is the policy in the Apache > Maven project. No objections at all. > > But: > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > That is suboptimal response, to say it politely. OpenJDK and Eclipse IDE > with dozens of simultaneously released components have release cycles > for 6 (OpenJDK) and 3 (Eclipse SimRel) months with defined dates for > certain phases like milestones, release candidates, general availability > dates. I.e., you can say "Maven does not have a release timeline", fine. > But giving the reason that you do not have one because Maven is OSS, is, > with all due respect, just ridiculous. > > Regards > -- > Alexander Kriegisch > https://scrum-master.de > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org > >
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Karl Heinz, my thoughts on your reply: > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. This is a totally valid statement, if this is the policy in the Apache Maven project. No objections at all. But: > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. That is suboptimal response, to say it politely. OpenJDK and Eclipse IDE with dozens of simultaneously released components have release cycles for 6 (OpenJDK) and 3 (Eclipse SimRel) months with defined dates for certain phases like milestones, release candidates, general availability dates. I.e., you can say "Maven does not have a release timeline", fine. But giving the reason that you do not have one because Maven is OSS, is, with all due respect, just ridiculous. Regards -- Alexander Kriegisch https://scrum-master.de - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Maybe in a few days; bit busy now -Original Message- From: Karl Heinz Marbaise Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:31 PM To: Maven Users List ; Tamás Cservenák Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. Hi, first try to build your whole project on plain command lineand see if there are issuesafter that you can try your IDE .. because IntelliJ has an integrated version and also the support is not really ready to use... Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 18.12.23 23:19, Tamás Cservenák wrote: > Well, IDE integrations are completely different stuff... What IDE do > you use? > Can I recommend you to try it out in Terminal instead? > > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 11:18 PM > > wrote: > >> Thanks! Just tried in my IDE and it failed, but not sure if that's >> an issue with maven or with IDE. >> (I have a multi-module project and it tried to download the >> submodules instead of using the local source code) >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Tamás Cservenák >> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:08 PM >> To: Maven Users List >> Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com >> Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline >> >> >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - >> ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or >> respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. >> Howdy, >> >> And to reply to the "longer stuff": >> >> Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land >> on >> Central) is alpha-10. >> >> As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT >> passes, Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT >> suite is currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow >> constantly, as new bugs or new features are added, this link >> https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1Hx4Zk69FcT4Re31T?h=WCNYF5iZoo32qX >> 5Hxyc8Qrzhc1t-HKpREAcWNL1r7t8==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sj5 >> VWGSSW9CHmqwWrJs?h=N31csPuuuQTu-1oAB5Fetjawr4BnXA0U0_-zq3Bs0Sc==htt >> ps://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly >> shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new >> feature regarding plugin validation. >> >> As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: >> >> https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxLdUyTL5W6uWkqJh?h=KbxkwIqLoMQYfH >> x5OCZ4V-Mu7NdrW7MXjqNgyyl25so==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjF >> 9tqMfsL2BRh2dec7?h=1evXF26Gzpa0Krssovdj2HNo6CGS1V6y26hJOwANd2k==htt >> ps://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%253Dproject%252520%25253D%252 >> 520MNG%252520AND%252520fixVersion%252520%25253D%2525204.0.0-alpha-11 >> >> Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are >> alphas!), and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY >> core plugins to use new API), see here: >> https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689M2MmjfZGyyCSA5?h=7_-nR2qTzP6RIZ >> LBqH9pHMeQfYQjGw5njIatpLSW6_U==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjA >> KhYu4BjcEbmV5FTV?h=1QJfXyg3BSkXmL-qwnGLUV0OfnM-gcu_tzDmFwTiVJM==htt >> ps://github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 >> >> Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need >> in core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from >> third party plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work >> in alpha, where we can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt >> and make sure all this once is set in stone (released as final), will >> work out for everyone doing plugin development. >> >> Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": >> >> https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnXuwb8vVSvq4KETK?h=djE-5RAYZwC_J0 >> iiRHe3cw4LXST_S1deoAEfdJrJlfU==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjK >> z67pHYvS8FcaC3kj?h=u5oDOalOCJxUi7MPsFnuy7trUegXhRSa2RzOsLrQgks==htt >> ps://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%253Dproject%252520%25253D%252 >> 520MRESOLVER%252520AND%252520fixVersion%252520%25253D%2525202.0.0-alp >> ha-6 >> >> I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the >> hill", as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have >> some lurking bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 >> (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) about new "jdk" transport. And for sure >> will have bu
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Hi, first try to build your whole project on plain command lineand see if there are issuesafter that you can try your IDE .. because IntelliJ has an integrated version and also the support is not really ready to use... Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise On 18.12.23 23:19, Tamás Cservenák wrote: Well, IDE integrations are completely different stuff... What IDE do you use? Can I recommend you to try it out in Terminal instead? T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 11:18 PM wrote: Thanks! Just tried in my IDE and it failed, but not sure if that's an issue with maven or with IDE. (I have a multi-module project and it tried to download the submodules instead of using the local source code) -Original Message- From: Tamás Cservenák Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:08 PM To: Maven Users List Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. Howdy, And to reply to the "longer stuff": Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land on Central) is alpha-10. As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT passes, Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT suite is currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow constantly, as new bugs or new features are added, this link https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1Hx4Zk69FcT4Re31T?h=WCNYF5iZoo32qX5Hxyc8Qrzhc1t-HKpREAcWNL1r7t8==https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new feature regarding plugin validation. As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxLdUyTL5W6uWkqJh?h=KbxkwIqLoMQYfHx5OCZ4V-Mu7NdrW7MXjqNgyyl25so==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MNG%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25204.0.0-alpha-11 Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are alphas!), and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY core plugins to use new API), see here: https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689M2MmjfZGyyCSA5?h=7_-nR2qTzP6RIZLBqH9pHMeQfYQjGw5njIatpLSW6_U==https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need in core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from third party plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work in alpha, where we can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt and make sure all this once is set in stone (released as final), will work out for everyone doing plugin development. Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnXuwb8vVSvq4KETK?h=djE-5RAYZwC_J0iiRHe3cw4LXST_S1deoAEfdJrJlfU==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MRESOLVER%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25202.0.0-alpha-6 I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the hill", as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have some lurking bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) about new "jdk" transport. And for sure will have bugs regarding new transport features, as they are not ironed out fully. Maven core is completely different, especially due to its API. Hence, the more (intel) we get the merrier, as we see "core plugins" only. So please try out, test it and report back. Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM wrote: I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that of most uninformed outsiders. As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I can't even begin to guess how I would find out. Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer email lists? Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build will be a beta? If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to not do that after hitting beta? You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable things". But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
IntelliJ ... usually I just use whatever maven version it happens to bundle, but I've heard rumors that maven 4 should handle multi-module stuff better so I've vaguely been keeping an eye on it -Original Message- From: Tamás Cservenák Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:20 PM To: Maven Users List Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. Well, IDE integrations are completely different stuff... What IDE do you use? Can I recommend you to try it out in Terminal instead? T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 11:18 PM wrote: > Thanks! Just tried in my IDE and it failed, but not sure if that's an > issue with maven or with IDE. > (I have a multi-module project and it tried to download the submodules > instead of using the local source code) > > -Original Message- > From: Tamás Cservenák > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:08 PM > To: Maven Users List > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > Howdy, > > And to reply to the "longer stuff": > > Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land > on > Central) is alpha-10. > > As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT > passes, Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT > suite is currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow > constantly, as new bugs or new features are added, this link > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1Hx4Zk69FcT4Re31T?h=WCNYF5iZoo32qX5 > Hxyc8Qrzhc1t-HKpREAcWNL1r7t8==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sj5VW > GHwgCHZYsZ3nnh?h=O7iEWm-fEX6HdY2D9eYFiUaEdjHxnPwBRubwTpoAm1o==https: > //github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly > shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new > feature regarding plugin validation. > > As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxLdUyTL5W6uWkqJh?h=KbxkwIqLoMQYfHx > 5OCZ4V-Mu7NdrW7MXjqNgyyl25so==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjF9t > qDB3P7TCieAb5w?h=UMU_-mbldlcP65eQDNf5hy6U3NVj6fPnwEOOTVDWUdg==https: > //issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%253Dproject%252520%25253D%252520M > NG%252520AND%252520fixVersion%252520%25253D%2525204.0.0-alpha-11 > > Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are > alphas!), and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY > core plugins to use new API), see here: > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689M2MmjfZGyyCSA5?h=7_-nR2qTzP6RIZL > BqH9pHMeQfYQjGw5njIatpLSW6_U==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjAKh > YkZMnhWNo6cBwK?h=Svfe2pjKCEc8Mk7k_t1v2Lzcapu-QgXgTLrpQ5O7LAE==https: > //github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 > > Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need > in core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from > third party plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work in > alpha, where we can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt and > make sure all this once is set in stone (released as final), will work > out for everyone doing plugin development. > > Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnXuwb8vVSvq4KETK?h=djE-5RAYZwC_J0i > iRHe3cw4LXST_S1deoAEfdJrJlfU==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sjKz6 > 7fniyXQ2eBizEZ?h=LIaaif-xB_9uU3fb-LNgpaSq3WSbzJHuW2lTuF16AJU==https: > //issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%253Dproject%252520%25253D%252520M > RESOLVER%252520AND%252520fixVersion%252520%25253D%2525202.0.0-alpha-6 > > I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the > hill", as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have > some lurking bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 > (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) about new "jdk" transport. And for sure will > have bugs regarding new transport features, as they are not ironed out fully. > > Maven core is completely different, especially due to its API. Hence, > the more (intel) we get the merrier, as we see "core plugins" only. > > So please try out, test it and report back. > > Thanks > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM > > wrote: > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > Yes, there is no "official" rel
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Well, IDE integrations are completely different stuff... What IDE do you use? Can I recommend you to try it out in Terminal instead? T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 11:18 PM wrote: > Thanks! Just tried in my IDE and it failed, but not sure if that's an > issue with maven or with IDE. > (I have a multi-module project and it tried to download the submodules > instead of using the local source code) > > -Original Message- > From: Tamás Cservenák > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:08 PM > To: Maven Users List > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > Howdy, > > And to reply to the "longer stuff": > > Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land on > Central) is alpha-10. > > As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT passes, > Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT suite is > currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow constantly, as > new bugs or new features are added, this link > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1Hx4Zk69FcT4Re31T?h=WCNYF5iZoo32qX5Hxyc8Qrzhc1t-HKpREAcWNL1r7t8==https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly > shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new feature > regarding plugin validation. > > As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxLdUyTL5W6uWkqJh?h=KbxkwIqLoMQYfHx5OCZ4V-Mu7NdrW7MXjqNgyyl25so==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MNG%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25204.0.0-alpha-11 > > Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are alphas!), > and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY core plugins to > use new API), see here: > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689M2MmjfZGyyCSA5?h=7_-nR2qTzP6RIZLBqH9pHMeQfYQjGw5njIatpLSW6_U==https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 > > Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need in > core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from third party > plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work in alpha, where we > can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt and make sure all this > once is set in stone (released as final), will work out for everyone doing > plugin development. > > Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnXuwb8vVSvq4KETK?h=djE-5RAYZwC_J0iiRHe3cw4LXST_S1deoAEfdJrJlfU==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MRESOLVER%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25202.0.0-alpha-6 > > I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the hill", > as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have some lurking > bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) > about new "jdk" transport. And for sure will have bugs regarding new > transport features, as they are not ironed out fully. > > Maven core is completely different, especially due to its API. Hence, the > more (intel) we get the merrier, as we see "core plugins" only. > > So please try out, test it and report back. > > Thanks > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM > wrote: > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > > that of most uninformed outsiders. > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > > developer email lists? > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > > build will be a beta? > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's > > a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > > > You g
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Thanks! Just tried in my IDE and it failed, but not sure if that's an issue with maven or with IDE. (I have a multi-module project and it tried to download the submodules instead of using the local source code) -Original Message- From: Tamás Cservenák Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 5:08 PM To: Maven Users List Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. Howdy, And to reply to the "longer stuff": Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land on Central) is alpha-10. As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT passes, Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT suite is currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow constantly, as new bugs or new features are added, this link https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM1Hx4Zk69FcT4Re31T?h=WCNYF5iZoo32qX5Hxyc8Qrzhc1t-HKpREAcWNL1r7t8==https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new feature regarding plugin validation. As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMAxLdUyTL5W6uWkqJh?h=KbxkwIqLoMQYfHx5OCZ4V-Mu7NdrW7MXjqNgyyl25so==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MNG%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25204.0.0-alpha-11 Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are alphas!), and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY core plugins to use new API), see here: https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sM689M2MmjfZGyyCSA5?h=7_-nR2qTzP6RIZLBqH9pHMeQfYQjGw5njIatpLSW6_U==https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need in core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from third party plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work in alpha, where we can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt and make sure all this once is set in stone (released as final), will work out for everyone doing plugin development. Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": https://clicktime.symantec.com/15sMFnXuwb8vVSvq4KETK?h=djE-5RAYZwC_J0iiRHe3cw4LXST_S1deoAEfdJrJlfU==https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql%3Dproject%2520%253D%2520MRESOLVER%2520AND%2520fixVersion%2520%253D%25202.0.0-alpha-6 I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the hill", as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have some lurking bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) about new "jdk" transport. And for sure will have bugs regarding new transport features, as they are not ironed out fully. Maven core is completely different, especially due to its API. Hence, the more (intel) we get the merrier, as we see "core plugins" only. So please try out, test it and report back. Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM wrote: > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > that of most uninformed outsiders. > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > developer email lists? > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > build will be a beta? > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's > a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > unpredictable things". > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months > or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > -----Original Message- > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > Subje
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Howdy, And to reply to the "longer stuff": Current Maven 4 (on vote, so 3 days if vote passes OK and files land on Central) is alpha-10. As with any previous alphas, the _minimal_ requirement is that UT passes, Maven can build itself, and that to pass Maven IT suite. IT suite is currently, in this very moment 909 IT tests, but they grow constantly, as new bugs or new features are added, this link https://github.com/apache/maven-integration-testing/pulse/monthly shows there were 3 ITs added last, two bugs from alpha-9 and new feature regarding plugin validation. As a downer, Maven 4 alpha-11 is FOR SURE expected, already scheduled: https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MNG%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%204.0.0-alpha-11 Currently we work on stabilizing resolver and maven (both are alphas!), and ironing out the new Maven 4 API (thus converting MANY core plugins to use new API), see here: https://github.com/apache/maven/pull/1048 Basically we make sure that the new API delivers _everything_ we need in core plugins, and even more, as some information trickles from third party plugins as well. We have to do this "intelligence" work in alpha, where we can break APIs, as we really need to adjust, adapt and make sure all this once is set in stone (released as final), will work out for everyone doing plugin development. Good news is that Resolver 2.0.0 is pretty much "done": https://issues.apache.org/jira/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20MRESOLVER%20AND%20fixVersion%20%3D%202.0.0-alpha-6 I am not saying "resolver is done-done", just that we are "over the hill", as regarding issue numbers over there. Most probably will have some lurking bugs, like the last one was in Resolver 2 alpha-3 (plagues Maven 4 alpha-9) about new "jdk" transport. And for sure will have bugs regarding new transport features, as they are not ironed out fully. Maven core is completely different, especially due to its API. Hence, the more (intel) we get the merrier, as we see "core plugins" only. So please try out, test it and report back. Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:39 PM wrote: > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going > to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that > of most uninformed outsiders. > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer > email lists? > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build > will be a beta? > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve > the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to > not do that after hitting beta? > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's > no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable > things". > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a > few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > -----Original Message- > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is > safe. > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? Where > > can I view its release timelines? > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at > the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1ZxyuIqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://maven.apache.org/download.cgi > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjOAtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://maven.apache.org/docs/history.html > > https://
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Yup. If the vote passes OK, these files will land in central as well. T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023 at 9:59 PM wrote: > Ah, much better! I guess I can ignore the cyclondex files and grab a > plain old zip? > > -Original Message- > From: Tamás Cservenák > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:49 PM > To: Maven Users List > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > I really recommend alpha10, distros are here > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t6V3WB3Q9UkWhf5JPD6?h=DNfkwbsM2Nbwr9Re8FSzo--npL69CABPYMYoaHsSC-A==https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/4.0.0-alpha-10/ > > Thanks > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:48 wrote: > > > Navigating that directory tree seems a bit intimidating... can I try > > alpha-8 or better wait for alpha-10 to officially come out? > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Tamás Cservenák > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:43 PM > > To: Maven Users List > > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or > > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is > safe. > > ...or,.just go to staging repo > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siaWLYGbnA1MrGqWQwt?h=qkVv-eG-rGmVca6 > > UeWqg9iHAifq1sVHsvsDmSfLKZ2o==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t6QDJ > > tanTtLZsjXjz4U?h=4Jzcps2egc7Hk1dplHDiulcv9nRA0wSTiAQlv1W8Bro==https: > > //repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050 > > download the distro and try on some of your projects? > > > > In case of problems be so kind to report the issues so we can iron > > them out. > > > > Imho, alpha 10 is in very good shape. Alpha-9 had a nasty bug and > > could remain running the process. Do not use it. > > > > Thanks > > T > > > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:39 > wrote: > > > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > > > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better > > > than that of most uninformed outsiders. > > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and > > > I can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > > > developer email lists? > > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, > how? > > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > > > build will be a beta? > > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > > > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and > > > there's a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > > > > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > > > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > > > unpredictable things". > > > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months > > > or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > > > > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > > > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > > > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > > > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, > > > or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the > > > content is safe. > > > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be re
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Ah, much better! I guess I can ignore the cyclondex files and grab a plain old zip? -Original Message- From: Tamás Cservenák Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:49 PM To: Maven Users List Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. I really recommend alpha10, distros are here https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t6V3WB3Q9UkWhf5JPD6?h=DNfkwbsM2Nbwr9Re8FSzo--npL69CABPYMYoaHsSC-A==https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/4.0.0-alpha-10/ Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:48 wrote: > Navigating that directory tree seems a bit intimidating... can I try > alpha-8 or better wait for alpha-10 to officially come out? > > -Original Message- > From: Tamás Cservenák > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:43 PM > To: Maven Users List > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > ...or,.just go to staging repo > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siaWLYGbnA1MrGqWQwt?h=qkVv-eG-rGmVca6 > UeWqg9iHAifq1sVHsvsDmSfLKZ2o==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t6QDJ > tanTtLZsjXjz4U?h=4Jzcps2egc7Hk1dplHDiulcv9nRA0wSTiAQlv1W8Bro==https: > //repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050 > download the distro and try on some of your projects? > > In case of problems be so kind to report the issues so we can iron > them out. > > Imho, alpha 10 is in very good shape. Alpha-9 had a nasty bug and > could remain running the process. Do not use it. > > Thanks > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:39 wrote: > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better > > than that of most uninformed outsiders. > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and > > I can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > > developer email lists? > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > > build will be a beta? > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and > > there's a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > > unpredictable things". > > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months > > or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, > > or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the > > content is safe. > > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? > > > Where can I view its release timelines? > > > > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version > > available (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers > > list).. > > > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t6EYvKfZ6hWgDtSdBmE?h=enuexfuM5c9xR > > Z5X0oZzhj669n395kTA5hIdhUOxXyY==https://clicktime.sym
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
I really recommend alpha10, distros are here https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050/org/apache/maven/apache-maven/4.0.0-alpha-10/ Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:48 wrote: > Navigating that directory tree seems a bit intimidating... can I try > alpha-8 or better wait for alpha-10 to officially come out? > > -Original Message- > From: Tamás Cservenák > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:43 PM > To: Maven Users List > Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond > unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. > ...or,.just go to staging repo > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siaWLYGbnA1MrGqWQwt?h=qkVv-eG-rGmVca6UeWqg9iHAifq1sVHsvsDmSfLKZ2o==https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050 > download the distro and try on some of your projects? > > In case of problems be so kind to report the issues so we can iron them > out. > > Imho, alpha 10 is in very good shape. Alpha-9 had a nasty bug and could > remain running the process. Do not use it. > > Thanks > T > > On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:39 wrote: > > > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > > that of most uninformed outsiders. > > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > > developer email lists? > > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > > build will be a beta? > > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's > > a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > > unpredictable things". > > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months > > or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or > > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content > > is safe. > > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? > > > Where can I view its release timelines? > > > > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available > > (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > > > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1Zxyu > > IqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siQqw > > yMNQyBUCRkPcee?h=-wnFgkT4h16bjz0t2Vuc_NutxQbPp0L_p6KY3P3WB2E==https: > > //maven.apache.org/download.cgi > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjO > > AtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siL1k > > gtkjNmXNWCqDW2?h=BX1saw3vPZ85tRY4Qc9ZmbpOGkojF6vC2umq1TvP1eM==https: > > //maven.apache.org/docs/history.html > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zyk > > QUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siVg9 > > Foz6ZbR2MHx1oG?h=C_JJFO_gli3dfK9BJoJ1t22_wu2YHA7V4ywpVxFiPlA==https: > > //maven.apache.org/mailing-lists
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
Navigating that directory tree seems a bit intimidating... can I try alpha-8 or better wait for alpha-10 to officially come out? -Original Message- From: Tamás Cservenák Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:43 PM To: Maven Users List Cc: subharaj.ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - ta...@cservenak.net Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. ...or,.just go to staging repo https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siaWLYGbnA1MrGqWQwt?h=qkVv-eG-rGmVca6UeWqg9iHAifq1sVHsvsDmSfLKZ2o==https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050 download the distro and try on some of your projects? In case of problems be so kind to report the issues so we can iron them out. Imho, alpha 10 is in very good shape. Alpha-9 had a nasty bug and could remain running the process. Do not use it. Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:39 wrote: > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not > going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than > that of most uninformed outsiders. > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the > developer email lists? > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next > build will be a beta? > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to > reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's > a policy to not do that after hitting beta? > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself > "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion > unpredictable things". > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months > or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > -Original Message- > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content > is safe. > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? > > Where can I view its release timelines? > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available > (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1Zxyu > IqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siQqw > yMNQyBUCRkPcee?h=-wnFgkT4h16bjz0t2Vuc_NutxQbPp0L_p6KY3P3WB2E==https: > //maven.apache.org/download.cgi > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjO > AtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siL1k > gtkjNmXNWCqDW2?h=BX1saw3vPZ85tRY4Qc9ZmbpOGkojF6vC2umq1TvP1eM==https: > //maven.apache.org/docs/history.html > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zyk > QUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://clicktime.symantec.com/15siVg9 > Foz6ZbR2MHx1oG?h=C_JJFO_gli3dfK9BJoJ1t22_wu2YHA7V4ywpVxFiPlA==https: > //maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html > > Kind regards > Karl Heinz Marbaise > Apache Maven PMC Chairman > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org > > This message is for information purposes only. It is not a > recommendation, advice, offer or solicitation to buy or sell a product > or service, nor an official confirmation of any transaction. It is > directed at persons who are professionals and is intended for the > recipient(s) only. It is not directed at retail cus
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
...or,.just go to staging repo https://repository.apache.org/content/repositories/maven-2050 download the distro and try on some of your projects? In case of problems be so kind to report the issues so we can iron them out. Imho, alpha 10 is in very good shape. Alpha-9 had a nasty bug and could remain running the process. Do not use it. Thanks T On Mon, Dec 18, 2023, 21:39 wrote: > I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. > Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going > to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! > You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that > of most uninformed outsiders. > As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I > can't even begin to guess how I would find out. > Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer > email lists? > Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? > Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build > will be a beta? > If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? > Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? > Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? > Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve > the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to > not do that after hitting beta? > > You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's > no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable > things". > But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a > few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. > > Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) > > > -Original Message- > From: Karl Heinz Marbaise > Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM > To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna < > subharaj.ma...@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - > khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or > respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is > safe. > On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? Where > > can I view its release timelines? > > > > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. > > Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. > > > If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at > the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. > > > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1ZxyuIqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://maven.apache.org/download.cgi > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjOAtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://maven.apache.org/docs/history.html > > https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zykQUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html > > Kind regards > Karl Heinz Marbaise > Apache Maven PMC Chairman > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org > > This message is for information purposes only. It is not a recommendation, > advice, offer or solicitation to buy or sell a product or service, nor an > official confirmation of any transaction. It is directed at persons who are > professionals and is intended for the recipient(s) only. It is not directed > at retail customers. This message is subject to the terms at: > https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/web-and-email-disclaimer.html. > > For important disclosures, please see: > https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/sales-and-trading-disclaimer.html > regarding marketing commentary from Barclays Sales and/or Trading desks, > who are active market participants; > https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/barclays-global-markets-disclosures.html > regarding our standard terms for Barclays Corporate and Investment Bank > where we trade with you in principal-to-principal wholesale markets > transactions; and in respect to Barclays Research, including disclosures > relating to specific issuers, see: http://publicresearch.barclays.com. > __ > > If you are incorporated or operating in Australia, read these important > disclosures: > https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/important-disclosures-asia-pacific.html > . > > __ > For more details about how we use personal information, see our privacy > notice: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/personal-information-use.html. > > > __ >
RE: Maven 4.0 release timeline
I'm not the original asker but this kind of answer tends to annoy me. Yes, there is no "official" release timeline, you're obviously not going to promise anything, all this is (hopefully?) clear, BUT! You no doubt have GUESSES. And your guesses are no doubt better than that of most uninformed outsiders. As an outsider, I have no idea what the "status" of maven 4 is, and I can't even begin to guess how I would find out. Should I try to catch up on the last few years of traffic on the developer email lists? Or perhaps the answer can be divined from the issue tracker? If so, how? Is it expected that alpha-10 will be the last alpha, and the next build will be a beta? If that is NOT what you expect, then what's the primary hold up? Are there major features that have yet to be implemented? Or perhaps the features are mostly done but they're still a bit buggy? Or perhaps the code quality is pretty solid and you just want to reserve the right to make backwards incompatible changes, and there's a policy to not do that after hitting beta? You get the idea. As an insider, you probably think to yourself "there's no telling when we'll be done; it depends on a zillion unpredictable things". But as outsiders, we don't even know whether the ETA is a few months or a few years or a few decades or perhaps just a few weeks. Sorry if that came off as a bit of a rant :) -Original Message- From: Karl Heinz Marbaise Sent: Monday, December 18, 2023 3:18 PM To: Maven Users List ; Debraj Manna Subject: Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline CAUTION: This email originated from outside our organisation - khmarba...@gmx.de.INVALID Do not click on links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender and can validate the content is safe. On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: > Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? Where > can I view its release timelines? > We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ejZL3AGSyEFA9Aedx?h=ABJzOQGm-e1ZxyuIqUZPLWnHHC2LmzcP6V9UINAuTSc==https://maven.apache.org/download.cgi https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5ZuN3aYarZHREbcFVL?h=f4YJm-aS7T_bpjOAtqB_jneksRphxbi0aG911AdXT1E==https://maven.apache.org/docs/history.html https://clicktime.symantec.com/15t5jZkcVmx3PB55gj3na?h=L9e7tA5cT0v2zykQUoinwwWFS6c1VuE5zuM7Lmb8XwE==https://maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise Apache Maven PMC Chairman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org This message is for information purposes only. It is not a recommendation, advice, offer or solicitation to buy or sell a product or service, nor an official confirmation of any transaction. It is directed at persons who are professionals and is intended for the recipient(s) only. It is not directed at retail customers. This message is subject to the terms at: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/web-and-email-disclaimer.html. For important disclosures, please see: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/sales-and-trading-disclaimer.html regarding marketing commentary from Barclays Sales and/or Trading desks, who are active market participants; https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/barclays-global-markets-disclosures.html regarding our standard terms for Barclays Corporate and Investment Bank where we trade with you in principal-to-principal wholesale markets transactions; and in respect to Barclays Research, including disclosures relating to specific issuers, see: http://publicresearch.barclays.com. __ If you are incorporated or operating in Australia, read these important disclosures: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/important-disclosures-asia-pacific.html. __ For more details about how we use personal information, see our privacy notice: https://www.cib.barclays/disclosures/personal-information-use.html. __
Re: Maven 4.0 release timeline
On 18.12.23 06:27, Debraj Manna wrote: Can someone let me know when Maven 4 is expected to be released? Where can I view its release timelines? We are an open source project. We don't have a release timeline. Maven 4.0.0 will be there when it's there. If you want to help testing, there is 4.0.0-alpha-9 version available (at the moment the VOTE for 4.0.0-alpha-10 is running developers list).. https://maven.apache.org/download.cgi https://maven.apache.org/docs/history.html https://maven.apache.org/mailing-lists.html Kind regards Karl Heinz Marbaise Apache Maven PMC Chairman - To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscr...@maven.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-h...@maven.apache.org
