Re: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ?
- Original Message - From: André Warnier [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tomcat Users List users@tomcat.apache.org Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:41 AM Subject: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ? Hi. I have Tomcat 5.5 running on a variety of platforms, among them Windows XP (my laptop) and Windows 2003 server. For the Windows installation, until now I have been using the Windows Service Installer from the Tomcat 5.5 download page, and it works fine. But could someone shed some light on the following puzzle ? A recent discussion on this list triggered my curiosity, and as a result I bumped into several things : - the installer for Windows installs a version of Tomcat 5.5 devoid of the usual startup.sh/bat, catalina.sh/bat etc.. and instead just installs a couple of files in Tomcat_home\bin, of which a tomcat5.exe (which seems to be the Tomcat executable), and a tomcat5w.exe which is the Windows GUI allowing to configure the Tomcat service.. - the ImagePath Registry entry for the Tomcat 5.5 Service shows this : C:\Tomcat5.5\bin\tomcat5.exe //RS//Tomcat5 - On the Tomcat 5.5 download page, in addition to the installer, there also exists a Tomcat 5.5 zip file. That one seems to contain the full complement of usual files of Tomcat, including Tomcat_home\bin, plus the tomcat5.exe and tomcat5w.exe which are also in the installer package. It also contains a file service.bat which is described nowhere, but seesm to be related to the procrun item of which question below. The Tomcat 5.5 and Tomcat 6 on-line documentation, setup page, section for Windows, only seem to mention the Installer package. There is a link on both the 5.5 and 6.0 Windows setup sections, pointing to a Windows Service HowTo, which leads to a page mentioning procrun 1.0, but in the same breath indicating that it is now obsolete. Digging further, I found a link to the Apache Commons project Daemon, which seems to include this procrun for Windows, and also a jsvc for Unix. The page there relative to procrun, (http://commons.apache.org/daemon/procrun.html) apart from being relatively difficult to read, seems interesting and seems to match the way my Windows Tomcat 5.5 instances are really installed and running. (See registry line above). But I found nowhere a link to download this procrun in binary form. I also did not find any link there pointing to any other version of procrun... On the other side of things, this same Apache Commons Daemon project also covers a jsvc, which seems to be a wrapper allowing to run Tomcat as a daemon under Unix/Linux. I believe I have seen mentions of this jsvc in some Tomcat documents (or in this forum ?), but at any rate my Tomcat Debian Linux systems seem to run Tomcat 5.5 as daemon perfectly fine, without seeming to use this jsvc module. So I wonder what it is used for. What I kind of piece together of all this is as follows : - the packagers of Tomcat 5.5 and Tomcat 6 for Windows use this procrun program (in whatever version, but probably not 1.0), to take the java JVM executable and make it into a Windows service which runs Tomcat. This Windows Service executable is named tomcat5.exe in the msi distribution. (Or else this tomcat5.exe is not really java packaged as a service, but just a stub pointing to an installed Java jvm dll). Anyway the result is packaged, together with the other Tomcat components, into a Windows Service Installer package which is the one on the Tomcat download page. - the documentation of this procrun (or whatever is related to it for Tomcat), on the Tomcat site, is out-of-date and does not match the version of procrun that is being used above. - the procrun program is a general utility that allows to take any Java program (or any program ?) and turn it into a Windows service. It thus seems to be something like the old srvany workhorse, but a bit more sophisticated. But this procrun program does not seem to be available for download in binary form. - and I don't have a clue as to what jsvc may be for. Thanks André --- Thats about right from when I looked at it a while back... Java can be controlled from C... thats what the libs do... there is a linux and windows version... If you look at the tomcat bootstrap class, you will see it has the (interface) methods that Procrun calls into. So its just a windows service that starts the java engine, and calls into a java class to get it running... If you want the binary for procrun... its just the tomcatX.exe file... rename it... ha ha The TomcatW file is just a human interface... probably talking directly to the windows registry (params). service bat... lets a user get it installed... So if you have the TC zip version and want to install it as a service... service install will do it. The real problem with installing TC from a zip is just that the APR is not there... and its a mission to guess the right one... Stupid window users
RE: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ?
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ? - the installer for Windows installs a version of Tomcat 5.5 devoid of the usual startup.sh/bat, catalina.sh/bat etc.. and instead just installs a couple of files in Tomcat_home\bin, of which a tomcat5.exe (which seems to be the Tomcat executable), and a tomcat5w.exe which is the Windows GUI allowing to configure the Tomcat service.. I also find it extremely annoying that the scripts are not provided in the .exe version, and that the .exe installs Tomcat in a different location than the .zip download. It also contains a file service.bat which is described nowhere It's described here: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/windows-service-howto.html which is reachable from the Setup section of the doc. which leads to a page mentioning procrun 1.0, but in the same breath indicating that it is now obsolete. Not sure why it says obsolete (current version is 1.0.1), since I think everything in there is still accurate, although the tomcat5w.exe program provides a much easier mechanism to change the parameters. But I found nowhere a link to download this procrun in binary form. That's an unfortunate issue. You can find binaries for various Windows flavors here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/tc6.0.x/trunk/res/procrun/ (Change the name of the executables to tomcat5*.exe for the older level.) Other than stumbling across that link in this mailing list, I don't know any way of finding that location. (Or else this tomcat5.exe is not really java packaged as a service, but just a stub pointing to an installed Java jvm dll). That is correct. The tomcat5.exe program is just another Java launcher that uses JNI to access the JVM, which is installed as several DLLs (not just jvm.dll). It's very similar to the plain java.exe launcher, except it handles additional, service-specific parameters. - the documentation of this procrun (or whatever is related to it for Tomcat), on the Tomcat site, is out-of-date and does not match the version of procrun that is being used above. Actually, I think it's pretty close. - the procrun program is a general utility that allows to take any Java program (or any program ?) and turn it into a Windows service. Just Java programs. - and I don't have a clue as to what jsvc may be for. jsvc is just a Linux/UNIX program that starts with superuser privileges so it can bind to low ports, then switches to the desired userid to run the designated Java program. Without it, you'll need to play games with iptables or run Tomcat as root (highly undesirable) in order to use ports 80 and 443. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ?
Caldarale, Charles R wrote: From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ? It also contains a file service.bat which is described nowhere It's described here: http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/windows-service-howto.html which is reachable from the Setup section of the doc. which leads to a page mentioning procrun 1.0, but in the same breath indicating that it is now obsolete. Not sure why it says obsolete (current version is 1.0.1), since I think everything in there is still accurate, although the tomcat5w.exe program provides a much easier mechanism to change the parameters. Since the windows-service-howto is marked obsolete, I did not count it as a valid source for the procrun parameters. But I found nowhere a link to download this procrun in binary form. That's an unfortunate issue. You can find binaries for various Windows flavors here: https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/tomcat/tc6.0.x/trunk/res/procrun/ (Change the name of the executables to tomcat5*.exe for the older level.) Do you want to elaborate on the unfortunate issue of why the binaries are not available in the Commons, but are available on the Tomcat SVN ? A related question : on the Tomcat SVN site, there are indeed various flavors, but on my laptop after installing Tomcat with the installer, I have only one flavor. Does the installer pick the right one for the platform ? And also, in the zip release of Tomcat, it seems that there is only one of each exe. So which flavor is that ? - the documentation of this procrun (or whatever is related to it for Tomcat), on the Tomcat site, is out-of-date and does not match the version of procrun that is being used above. Actually, I think it's pretty close. I have not actually compared with the one in the Commons, nor tested any of this. I was writing is out-of-date because that's what's written in the how-to pages on the Tomcat site. Maybe someone should just remove that out-of-date comment, it makes the whole thing all the more confusing. Do you know where/how someone should suggest this ? Thanks for the clarification on jsvc. That's at least one item that can be removed from the list. Actually, I still have a question, or rather some assertions in need to be confirmed or denied : 1) One can download the zip version of Tomcat 5.5 (and 6 ?), and use the startup scripts to start a command-window instance of Tomcat. In that case, the executable shown running will be java.exe. 2) But starting Tomcat via these scripts will not allow to run Tomcat as a Windows Service. 3) To run Tomcat as a Service, you have to use the Tomcat(x).exe. 4) But you can use the tomcat(x).exe from the zip distribution, it is the same as the one installed by the Windows Installer. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ?
From: André Warnier [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ? Do you want to elaborate on the unfortunate issue of why the binaries are not available in the Commons, but are available on the Tomcat SVN ? Actually, I think most non-Java code from commons is source-only, with the expectation that the user will compile it for the target platform. Due to the wide variety of Windows and Linux C environments available, it seems reasonable that the committers not try to cover all the bases. Does the installer pick the right one for the platform ? No - only the 32-bit x86 version comes with either the .exe or .zip downloads. If you have an IA64 (perish the thought) or AMD64 platform, you need to recompile the source for that environment or go to the location specified in the previous message and download the appropriate .exe files. Maybe someone should just remove that out-of-date comment, it makes the whole thing all the more confusing. Do you know where/how someone should suggest this ? The normal procedure is to submit a bugzilla entry, preferably with a patch. 1) One can download the zip version of Tomcat 5.5 (and 6 ?), and use the startup scripts to start a command-window instance of Tomcat. In that case, the executable shown running will be java.exe. Correct; that's the standard launcher that comes with the JRE and is used by the scripts. 2) But starting Tomcat via these scripts will not allow to run Tomcat as a Windows Service. True, but the service.bat script will install the service, just as if you had used the .exe download. If you're on Vista or Server 2008, you'll need to run the service.bat script as an administrator (not just be logged on as one). 3) To run Tomcat as a Service, you have to use the Tomcat(x).exe. The tomcatn.exe program *is* the service, at least as far as Windows is concerned. The service.bat script installs the service, targeting the tomcatn.exe program. Just running the tomcatn.exe program without the proper options does not create the service nor run as one; use the service.bat script to install and the tomcatnw.exe program to change settings. 4) But you can use the tomcat(x).exe from the zip distribution, it is the same as the one installed by the Windows Installer. Yes, they are identical. Also, the tomcat5.exe and tomcat6.exe programs are identical (other than the names), as are the tomcat5w.exe and tomcat6w.exe programs. - Chuck THIS COMMUNICATION MAY CONTAIN CONFIDENTIAL AND/OR OTHERWISE PROPRIETARY MATERIAL and is thus for use only by the intended recipient. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the e-mail and its attachments from all computers. - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tomcat 5.5 / Windows / procrun ?
Hi. I have Tomcat 5.5 running on a variety of platforms, among them Windows XP (my laptop) and Windows 2003 server. For the Windows installation, until now I have been using the Windows Service Installer from the Tomcat 5.5 download page, and it works fine. But could someone shed some light on the following puzzle ? A recent discussion on this list triggered my curiosity, and as a result I bumped into several things : - the installer for Windows installs a version of Tomcat 5.5 devoid of the usual startup.sh/bat, catalina.sh/bat etc.. and instead just installs a couple of files in Tomcat_home\bin, of which a tomcat5.exe (which seems to be the Tomcat executable), and a tomcat5w.exe which is the Windows GUI allowing to configure the Tomcat service.. - the ImagePath Registry entry for the Tomcat 5.5 Service shows this : C:\Tomcat5.5\bin\tomcat5.exe //RS//Tomcat5 - On the Tomcat 5.5 download page, in addition to the installer, there also exists a Tomcat 5.5 zip file. That one seems to contain the full complement of usual files of Tomcat, including Tomcat_home\bin, plus the tomcat5.exe and tomcat5w.exe which are also in the installer package. It also contains a file service.bat which is described nowhere, but seesm to be related to the procrun item of which question below. The Tomcat 5.5 and Tomcat 6 on-line documentation, setup page, section for Windows, only seem to mention the Installer package. There is a link on both the 5.5 and 6.0 Windows setup sections, pointing to a Windows Service HowTo, which leads to a page mentioning procrun 1.0, but in the same breath indicating that it is now obsolete. Digging further, I found a link to the Apache Commons project Daemon, which seems to include this procrun for Windows, and also a jsvc for Unix. The page there relative to procrun, (http://commons.apache.org/daemon/procrun.html) apart from being relatively difficult to read, seems interesting and seems to match the way my Windows Tomcat 5.5 instances are really installed and running. (See registry line above). But I found nowhere a link to download this procrun in binary form. I also did not find any link there pointing to any other version of procrun... On the other side of things, this same Apache Commons Daemon project also covers a jsvc, which seems to be a wrapper allowing to run Tomcat as a daemon under Unix/Linux. I believe I have seen mentions of this jsvc in some Tomcat documents (or in this forum ?), but at any rate my Tomcat Debian Linux systems seem to run Tomcat 5.5 as daemon perfectly fine, without seeming to use this jsvc module. So I wonder what it is used for. What I kind of piece together of all this is as follows : - the packagers of Tomcat 5.5 and Tomcat 6 for Windows use this procrun program (in whatever version, but probably not 1.0), to take the java JVM executable and make it into a Windows service which runs Tomcat. This Windows Service executable is named tomcat5.exe in the msi distribution. (Or else this tomcat5.exe is not really java packaged as a service, but just a stub pointing to an installed Java jvm dll). Anyway the result is packaged, together with the other Tomcat components, into a Windows Service Installer package which is the one on the Tomcat download page. - the documentation of this procrun (or whatever is related to it for Tomcat), on the Tomcat site, is out-of-date and does not match the version of procrun that is being used above. - the procrun program is a general utility that allows to take any Java program (or any program ?) and turn it into a Windows service. It thus seems to be something like the old srvany workhorse, but a bit more sophisticated. But this procrun program does not seem to be available for download in binary form. - and I don't have a clue as to what jsvc may be for. Thanks André - To start a new topic, e-mail: users@tomcat.apache.org To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
